I have a 10 GB version, that’s been powered on for over 15 years. It’s been plugged into the wall in a room I seldom use. Sort of just forgotten about. Doubt the battery works long, after it’s unplugged.
Apple's iPod support has been insane. Very unlike Apple. They've never dropped support in iTunes, and the very few PCs that have FireWire work with this too. (I think)
Maybe it's just legacy code that they never got rid of? That would be odd though, especially considering that 32-bit app support got axed in iOS a while back.
@@ewjfpoefjwoiefj Yeah, you'd think at some point theyd've had to rewrite it or something. I was scared that my old iPod wouldn't be supported when Catalina came out but it still works just fine. Apple needs to support other products like this.
I thought the gen 1 remained Mac only, great if not! Apple could re-release this today and sell it with a 512gb SSD for $399 and people would buy it. Market it as that one way to get a headphone jack on an iPod that also doubles as a badass external SSD. I'd buy it for the right price. Why not? Make it just as big as those gigantic old white iPods, put USB C on it, a gigantic fucking battery, and a gigantic SSD.
@@osebu 2nd gen supported Window through MusicMatch, it wasn't until 3rd gen that iTunes on Windows supported it. So the data from iTunes wasn't removed from Windows for this model, it was never included.
The best thing was: You could plug it into your friend's computer and copy his music, too. That didn't work with an iPod as iTunes always wanted to format the whole thing when the iTunes accounts didn't match.
Yeah, most of those were awful. I blew through so many of them. iPods, Zunes, and various SanDisk devices were the easiest way to reduce your chances of buying total crap.
Not at all! That "music" is all rubbish. I don't see any bluegrass or southern Gospel music in the playlist. Those two genres are the only two that are worth listening to.
Got myself the cheapest FireWire card for my pc and my first gen connects to windows and iTunes perfectly. You can also copy the old music off of an iPod by enabling view hidden files, and going through windows explorer. It's saved on there in a weird random letter format but copying it straight back to iTunes restores the correct names and albums
When this iPod was released in 2001, I was in my senior year of highschool. At the time, this iPod certainly was better than hauling around a CD player and stacks of CDs or tapes to listen to music. I'm thinking the reason why the iTunes on the Windows PC wasn't recognizing this iPod is because this early iPod was only compatible with Mac.
@@DukeNukem2020 Come to think of it also is that this guy in this video actually looks just like Alex Jacobson from the original PC game of Deus Ex that released on June 22, 2000. I remember playing that game a lot as well through 2001. Like this guy, in the game of Deus Ex, Alex Jacobson was a technician, spending his work day in a room full of computers and he was in charge of maintaining computers used for communication. Although unlike today, I don't think smartphones much existed in 2000 or 2001. Now for an iPod, I do actually still use a 2nd generation iPod touch today for listening to music. I remember that I originally bought it new in early 2009, its too old now to handle internet tasks, but it still works fine as a regular iPod. I have a little over 700 songs and some videos on it.
Shawn Burton I still use my iPod Nano 7th gen. Only because my 5th gen Nano got some water damage behind the screen and the battery life was at its end. I still prefer the click wheel over a touch screen
DukeNukem2020 I think that I also would prefer the click wheel as well or at least more physical buttons. They say actually that the best ipod for listening to music is the ipod 5.5 generation from 2006 because it has the wolfson dac for best quality sound. I think you can still find them on eBay with new batteries and flash storage or new hard drives
I'd bet money that the original two generations of iPod don't have those anymore. I will never understand why it took them so long to make a headphone jack that didn't fall apart under heavy use.
The i in iPhone, iPod, and iPad, goes back to the iMac, which was named as such because it was the first Mac to support Wi-Fi and to have a major focus on Internet connectivity itself. The i stood for Internet. This technically means that iPhone, iPod, and iPad are Internet Phone, Internet Pod, and Internet Pad respectively. So an iPhone without the phone is an Internet.
Hi. I have an HP Omen laptop with a Thunderbolt 3 port. Do you know if connecting a 2nd gen iPod Classic through the Thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter + 2 to Firewire 800 adapter + Firewire800 to 400 adapter + 400 to iPod combo works?
Hi, mi Original iPod (just ike the one in the video) will just charge, doesn't sync, when connected to my MacBook Air with Big Sur, any idea why that is?
To get older pre-windows iPods working on Windows try looking for a piece of software named XPlay. It was able to connect Mac formatted iPods to Windows. I used it to get some songs off an old Mac-formatted iPod. I believe that the first Windows iPods used a program named MusicMatch to sync the device. That may work.
Yup, I didn't need iTunes or any software whatsoever. I didn't even have to configure windows to show hidden files. Copied it to another MP3 player, phone, and iPod touch.
@@W00fer Rubbish. iTunes stores files in a non linear way, like ABYC etc but the files are still recognisable. I've done this countless times on old iPods I've bought
Command + Shift + . in Finder and all the files are revealed. Yes, they are out of order but using iTunes itself, just import those files and be sure iTunes is set to manage your iTunes library and it will reorganize the jumbled up audio files for you very neatly.
I pulled out my original iPod recently, and luckily had an older Mac mini as my media server which already had FireWire, so a $6 cable from amazon was all I needed for OG sync bliss. Love that iTunes had the correct icon for the iPod still in the interface. 🙃
I live and die by my Walkman mp3 player. My phone could never give me a proper shuffle function or decent sound quality. I'm by no means an audiophile either. I just like good sounding music.
I still carry my 80GB iPod Classic everywhere I go. I've had it since 2007 and it syncs without issue and the battery still lasts for weeks. ( I mostly use it in the car with a tape adapter and I have a very short commute)
14:18 "well stop using this old antiquated garbage. And clearly.." No clearly those people have never used an ipod before... ipod has one job and dose it freeken well. Just play my damn music. no accounts, no wifi, no sharing battery with other things, no getting calls in the middle of your music. Just play music for like 20 hours.
@ShinDig Listener if your already in the itunes ecosystem then you can drag'n'drop files to itunes. if not you can mod most ipods to run rockbox and then drag'n'drop flac files to it like a normal mp3 player..
@ShinDig Listener in that case i wouldn't recommend rockbox... itunes / apple music should be fine... its been over a decade since iv used itunes soo cant comment on it now but back then ripping cds you own to it was easy and buying music through itunes worked well
@ShinDig Listener I've been getting the mini (second gen, with a 32gb card modded) out more. If you really don't want to use iTunes, foobar2000 with the iPod plugin is my go to. Drag music into foobar, File > iPod > sync, done. If you go into Library > Preferences, you can even have it convert unsupported formats to AAC, Apple lossless, or plain old MP3s.
iPods are still great devices . I keep using my 2006 iPod Video 5.5th (upgraded with a SDXC adapter ) on daily basis and it sounds awesome. Yes, it has one job and it does it well.
I'm pretty sure apple publicly announced that all iPod would be supported in the finder, with the breakup of iTunes. I think it was announced at WWDC 2019
I remember growing up, I could never afford a mainstream MP3 player, so I had this portable video clip player called "Juice Box" and it had a MP3 player add-on, and I had a 16 megabyte card to hold a few select songs on. I think I got it on Kmart clearance for like $10 at the time, but it saw a ton of use.
Gotta love it. To be able contact a single device you need a whole set of dongles. This is very much an Apple specific problem and solution and it made me chuckle.
The 3rd gen iPods had great sound. They had a great DAC onboard. I put a IDE>CF>SD card in mine and now I can store almost however much i want and the device is a lotttt lighter too. You should do a video on upgrading a 3rd gen with a new battery, HD(orSD) and maybe some mods to the backlight and/or the backlight for the four buttons on top. Those three navigation buttons above the wheel is why I love the 3rd gen more than any other ipod including the mechanical wheel on the first gen. Like I said, I'll donate one of my working 3rd gen ipods.
It used to be semi-common for Windows iTunes to not detect iPods. I remember doing support back then and there was an Apple kbase article with a full iTunes remove and reinstall process that would typically fix it. Last time I troubleshot it was Vista, though. :)
We lost something with streaming and that's our attention span. Most of the people won't listen to a whole track, let alone a whole album these days. No one seems to take their time and dedicate it to enjoying what the artists made, and that's sad. Dedicated players like the iPod are a great opportunity to purposely load up some albums and listen to them either at home as a audio source or on the go.
Brought my ipod classic back to life about a year ago, new harddrive and battery and it works like a charm. Simple controls and dedication to music only is a winner, currently have it hooked up to the car stereo.
Actually you can easily get to the files on an ipod via Finder / Explorer if you view hidden files. Whilst Apple stored the music in an archaic way using letter codes and random folders to deter people, you can still copy the music off. The original filenames can be restored based on metadata using MP3tag (which is Windows only but if you have Homebrew installed on Mac you can run the software in Wine). This is also the best way to recover music if the iTunes.db file on the ipod was corrupted and disabling sync, but the music was still playable on the ipod.
Apple was actually always pretty good at retaining compatibility with all of the older model ipod and iphones in the MacOS. Of course, it could be that they were just too lazy to remove support for the older models. Im suprised that the new Apple Music works on it. Also, you friend has some good music on there! :)
My fifth generation iPod video still works with Mac iTunes. I have used it as music storage in 7 different BMWs over the years and kept my "out of car" music on my iPhone because I dont carry my phone everytime I leave my home. Finally a couple of years ago, BMW dropped their support of older iPods in their newer model cars. But then my friend pointed out to me that my car had hard drive storage for music, and it was larger than the capacity of my iPod. And now the iPhones have so much storage available that I think that my iPod is now a museum piece.
I still have an iPod mini in the glove box of my car for all my music. Still syncing through iTunes for Windows whenever I get tired from the 100s of songs I have there.
Seeing that Creative Nomad brought back some memories. I came across two boxes of NOS Nomads thrown out about 8 years ago. I’m pretty sure I still have them put away somewhere.
I just pulled my Zune HD out and tried it recently, and it went fine. Even the garbo Zune program worked, but I guess the old models might be different?
I kinda want a classic iPod. As a kid I had a cheap MP3 player that used a triple a battery, then had the iPod touch 4. I love the look of the original iPod, I might pick one up
My 3rd Gen iPod with the capacitve touch wheel and red LEDs. It still works with Windows and sounds a lot better than most of the newer iPod or iPhones due to the Wolfson DAC as opposed to the Cirrus used in most of the newer models.
I've only just recently moved onto a new non-Apple MP3 player after having an iPod Classic for nearly the last decade. I'm very happy with this new modern player, but I will always have a special place in my heart for my iPod Classic.
I worked for an Apple retailer when the original iPod was released and contrary to popular opinion, I can reveal that it actually wasn't an instant hit. It initially required a Mac, and not just any Mac. It had to have Firewire (Which wasn't a given in 2001 given not everyone had a new Mac). I remember selling Firewire cards to some early adopters. Some even bought a new Mac. But most people were indifferent. Then came the next revision that worked on Windows, but still required a Firewire card. I can tell you, the average Joe with a Windows PC was not willing to buy an expensive card just so they could use this new "walkman". For a bit there, I was wondering if the iPod was going to be a failure. It was only when Apple released the USB 2.0 iPod (I think this version was the one with the buttons above, not around the wheel) together with the marketing of the dancing silhouettes, that the iPod became a cultural phenomenon.
USB 2.0 actually came out in early 2000, which I just discovered recently and kind of blew my mind. I didn't have it on any of my computers until maybe 2003.
I messed around with one of these once. I really like the physical wheel. It’s kinda sad that such a useful and innovative input device has no use in our world today Maybe this ancient iPod code is what makes Music so sluggish and buggy!
Since I've been RGB modding all my old consoles from Twin Famicoms to N64 and Turbografx CD etc. and retroftting better screens onto Gameboy originals and such, I would like to take my new solder/modding skills on to doing this! I recently just installed a battery into my older 5th gen 80GB I love, and wish they never stopped the click wheel...was a pain separating the casing however, Apple loves to not have people touch their own products or interchange parts that extend its life! But I can definitely see the appeal to these dedicated guys, glad you did a vid on this!
Seeing you posting videos of Retro tech makes me so happy! It's so cool to see someone talking about these awesome pieces of history is just the best :)
Great video Collin. It wasn't surprised to see the iPod work with a mac, it's not so hard to keep support built in to Apple Music. I was surprised to see it not work in windows with iTunes. Now as far as devices such as laptops and iMacs that can be a different story as support for modern operating systems. For an operating system to work with legacy computers they may have to maintain a separate kernel to support the older cpu architecture or keep the support built into the mainline Darwin Kernel which could make the kernel rather large that takes up a lot of storage space. Also a larger kernel means more ram usage as well which would have significant performance issues. So it kind of makes sense they would want to discontinue support for older Mac Architectures because it would be a lot of work and it would be expensive.
While that is true the 2nd gen iPod (Mid 2002) shipped with Music Match Jukebox as iTunes (Windows) didn't exist back then... The 1st Gen iPod didn't feature a Windows compatibility at all (Late 2001)
Great vid dude, as many people have pointed out but there are some drivers you have to use to get win10 to work with iTunes and the iPod but I do not have one so I can't speak from personal experience. I use an iPod classic in my car as I have plugged it into the USB on my headunit and then routed into the glovebox so I don't get people calling me etc like you would get using a phone. Again great vid man :)
I’ve been super into iPods lately. Then all of a sudden you come out with an iPod video??? This proves that we’re in a simulation. Can’t wait to watch this, thanks for the upload!
Thank you so much for posting this video! I just bought a 1st gen iPod on eBay today for repairing (I'm in love with older audio related equipment). I didn't really do much research on how to get it to connect and sync to modern computers, and I started panicking since it was more expensive than I wanted it to be, yet still the cheapest option I'd seen one for in a while. Knowing that I can still connect it to Windows computers is awesome, and I'm not really as worried anymore. I guess now I gotta buy those connectors and see if there's a way to get access to an older form of iTunes that still allows 1st gen connecting.
I have an old iPod Classic that my dad traded to me about a decade ago, and it still works like a champ! 160Gb, long-lasting battery, and the music quality is really nice. Funniest thing I've ever heard a coworker say to me was "Is that the one with the apps?" xD
You can totally access and copy music from the original ipods on windows computers. If your ipod shows up as an external drive in windows explorer, go into the folder settings and select "show hidden files" and after going through a couple folders you'll find all your music scattered across several folders labeled "F" followed by a number I believe. Your music won't be labeled in any way that you will recognize but they will play in any music playing software as long as they weren't purchased through the itunes store. I used to have a windows utility that would go through all these files and correctly rename them. I think they're all renamed as 5 character HEX names (not sure though). The ipod xml system has it's own way of organizing everything.
I actually remember a good amount of my old PC's having a firewire port. either on the soundcard or stock. i found it much more common to see firewire ports on PC's than I find thunderbolt ports on PC's.
RWL2012 The reason why is because my FM transmitter connects into the 30 pin connector at the bottom of the iPod keeping it charged and transmitting my songs to my car (1 cable 2 jobs). Simply unlocking my car wakes my iPod then all I need to do is hit play.
for windows the reason itunes didnt detect it its because itunes for win is buggy af and takes like 20 tries (at worst) for it to see a device older than like an iphone 2g
One weird reverse thing of this, I have a car radio designed in the iPod days (bought in 2009) when at best only the iPhone 3G was out. Apple kept backward compatibility with iPod mode until at least an iPhone 7, so you can still plug the USB cord in, and control track selection with the head unit buttons.My family members only have up to an iPhone 7, so I can't verify higher.
this is crazy I always wondered if this would work! I periodically think about getting my old ipod out and trying to use it but then never do because I figured it wouldn't work with my modern gear.
Regarding iPod and Mac compatibility back then, at 3:04 "It was also a pretty easy decision for Apple to make not just because it was pretty much its own interface but mostly because at that point Apple was including Firewire ports on all of its Macs so it meant your iPod could already connect to your Mac." but we flash forward to 2020 and a $1350 2020 iPhone cannot connect to a 2020 Macbook Pro with the included USB A to Lightning port.
I still use my iPod classic. Great to have when I did not want to kill my phone battery. It’s crazy how the iPod class is mods are on eBay. I’m just waiting for them to have usb type c in them instead if the standard iPod classic transfer cable.
Nice video. Really enjoyed how surprised you were that the first generation ipod for mac would still work on a modern apple operating system. However, as a vintage apple computer user know a classic ipod will work with my white 20 inch G5 imac and white 24 inch Intel imac vintage systems, since both have Fire-wire 400 ports.
The classic iPod communication protocol is just via the storage interface. iTunes doesn’t really see the iPod as anything but a hard drive with a couple of specific files on the drive. Supporting the USB iPod classic etc means also supporting the FireWire ones, and I think even the iPod touch and iPhone still use the same basic mechanism.
After a month of my first comments, I have finally been able to get those adapters and I am using this opportunity to say, THANKS TO YOU FOR THIS VIDEO. Bless You
Love the video. My first iPod was a 160 gig Classic (5th gen?). SInce then I've picked up a couple of nanos (two 3rd gen for me, a 5th gen for the wife) and a bunch of classics in varying states of dysfunction (bad drive in one, bad battery in one, don't remember what the deal is with the rest). Will eventually get around to modding one or several.
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This actually helps me alot for a different reason, i have an old handycam that used a port that from my understanding was basically firewire (it had its own name, its on the phat ps2 iirc). I tried searching for usb-firewire but ofc the answer was no you cant because of the tech of the era. Thank you
When Apple split the MacOS version of iTunes into 3 programs they just moved each function into seperate application files and move formatting into the MacOS finder and even on the windows version of iTunes, some of the folders that the program uses still references "Apple Computer" and folders from updates to the program after the company name was shortened to "Apple Inc." just say "Apple" - an example of this would be the %appdata% folder on Windows.
When they first launched the windows iPod, iTunes didn't exist on the platform and shipped with an installer for MusicMatch, which was horrible. The solution I used until they released a Windows version of iTunes was called ephpod.
On any iPod / iPhone that is connected to Windows, you have to use the dropdown list from the music to see the iPod / iPhone, not sure if it will show up, but worth looking in Windows
Well, it makes sense to me that Apple computers would still interact with other Apple products, but I’m not surprised it didn’t show up in the windows version of ITunes.
Thank you this was very helpful. One question though: is it possible to transfer music onto the iPod via windows file explorer? I was thinking of getting on of these but if you can't put music on it, then it's probably not worth it for me
There was actually a time roughly 4 or 5 years ago where Apple had actually stopped allowing the older iPods (5 and lower I think) to stop syncing to iTunes and iTunes wouldn’t recognize them. The computer would recognize them as an external hardrive. [this was this way on the Mac, and very similar to your experience on the PC, maybe that’s what is going on with the PC. That never updated the software to allow “compatibility” again. *in air quotes because it is literally a limitation added to the code of iTunes by and was on both Mac and PC at one point.
For christmas this year my partner got me 2 first generation iPods and was relived i could still load music on it through a modern mac! excellent video!
I have an old Mini DV camcorder. I have to link it through firewire adapter plus 800 to 400 adapter then the cable is a 400 to mini media dv cable. Works really well. So cudos to Apple for letting older gen tech to work on newer systems 😊
To me the appeal of Having a dedicated Audio player extends mainly to my Car. It is nice to have one that you can connect with an aux cable and use. Phones have all this new tech that compresses audio files and changes the original sound and to me it's for the worse. If you want CD quality Audio then an old Ipod like this is great. I am seriously debating getting one (I use an old Android now lol) because these are really cheap to get nowadays and still work great.
What really amazes me is not the itunes support, but that the battery actually still works 20 years later!
That would be amazing, but I am sure it isn't the case. I have one also, it's on battery #3.
I have one and I'm so excited to do this lol
The iTunes syncing is not that impressive as I'm sure the protocol for the synchronization never changed
I have a 10 GB version, that’s been powered on for over 15 years. It’s been plugged into the wall in a room I seldom use. Sort of just forgotten about. Doubt the battery works long, after it’s unplugged.
Those older Apple products were built to last….. literally
Apple's iPod support has been insane. Very unlike Apple. They've never dropped support in iTunes, and the very few PCs that have FireWire work with this too. (I think)
Yeah, like the Compaq Presario SR1601NX. It came with FireWire ports built in and even came with iTunes 4.
Maybe it's just legacy code that they never got rid of? That would be odd though, especially considering that 32-bit app support got axed in iOS a while back.
@@ewjfpoefjwoiefj Yeah, you'd think at some point theyd've had to rewrite it or something. I was scared that my old iPod wouldn't be supported when Catalina came out but it still works just fine. Apple needs to support other products like this.
@@annjrue I guess they're not losing any money by supporting it, so it still exists.
@@Anthestudios meanwhile Microsoft finally stopped hosting the site with Zune updates. So officially you can’t restore or update old zunes anymore.
The iPod does show up on iTunes in windows using firewire here, standard NEC chipset firewire PCI card.
I thought the gen 1 remained Mac only, great if not!
Apple could re-release this today and sell it with a 512gb SSD for $399 and people would buy it.
Market it as that one way to get a headphone jack on an iPod that also doubles as a badass external SSD.
I'd buy it for the right price. Why not? Make it just as big as those gigantic old white iPods, put USB C on it, a gigantic fucking battery, and a gigantic SSD.
@@seanconnathon There are two versions of the 1st gen. The later one has Windows support.
@@osebu 2nd gen supported Window through MusicMatch, it wasn't until 3rd gen that iTunes on Windows supported it. So the data from iTunes wasn't removed from Windows for this model, it was never included.
@@seanconnathon I thought gen 1 was Mac only as well.
@@JFizDaWiz The Ipod here was formatted by windows to work on windows though....
Anybody remember those USB MP3 players that you connected to your computer and you just dragged the files onto it through "My Computer"?
Good times.
Trawling through E-bay, looking at the shiny things from China... "Wow, that one has one gigabyte of storage! That's many songs!"
The best thing was: You could plug it into your friend's computer and copy his music, too. That didn't work with an iPod as iTunes always wanted to format the whole thing when the iTunes accounts didn't match.
Yeah, most of those were awful. I blew through so many of them. iPods, Zunes, and various SanDisk devices were the easiest way to reduce your chances of buying total crap.
@@mbirth I would just copy the music into my iPod's "disk mode" storage then import it to my iTunes library so it would sync the new songs.
@Naughty internet person Have you tried recording directly through your soundcard instead?
Your friend Dan has good taste in music.
Disturbed, Blink 182, Barenaked Ladies... Good stuff
Not at all! That "music" is all rubbish. I don't see any bluegrass or southern Gospel music in the playlist. Those two genres are the only two that are worth listening to.
@@kaitlynmcpartlin9485 Nice bait
@@Felixkeeg What are you talking about?
*had. He may not 20 years later lol
Got myself the cheapest FireWire card for my pc and my first gen connects to windows and iTunes perfectly. You can also copy the old music off of an iPod by enabling view hidden files, and going through windows explorer. It's saved on there in a weird random letter format but copying it straight back to iTunes restores the correct names and albums
When this iPod was released in 2001, I was in my senior year of highschool. At the time, this iPod certainly was better than hauling around a CD player and stacks of CDs or tapes to listen to music. I'm thinking the reason why the iTunes on the Windows PC wasn't recognizing this iPod is because this early iPod was only compatible with Mac.
Same here. I don't even remember the ipod being as huge in 2001. My first ipod experience is when I bought the first gen Nano in college.
@@DukeNukem2020 Come to think of it also is that this guy in this video actually looks just like Alex Jacobson from the original PC game of Deus Ex that released on June 22, 2000. I remember playing that game a lot as well through 2001. Like this guy, in the game of Deus Ex, Alex Jacobson was a technician, spending his work day in a room full of computers and he was in charge of maintaining computers used for communication. Although unlike today, I don't think smartphones much existed in 2000 or 2001. Now for an iPod, I do actually still use a 2nd generation iPod touch today for listening to music. I remember that I originally bought it new in early 2009, its too old now to handle internet tasks, but it still works fine as a regular iPod. I have a little over 700 songs and some videos on it.
Shawn Burton I still use my iPod Nano 7th gen. Only because my 5th gen Nano got some water damage behind the screen and the battery life was at its end. I still prefer the click wheel over a touch screen
DukeNukem2020 I think that I also would prefer the click wheel as well or at least more physical buttons. They say actually that the best ipod for listening to music is the ipod 5.5 generation from 2006 because it has the wolfson dac for best quality sound. I think you can still find them on eBay with new batteries and flash storage or new hard drives
iPod has one advantage over many modern smartphones: a headphone jack.
I'd bet money that the original two generations of iPod don't have those anymore. I will never understand why it took them so long to make a headphone jack that didn't fall apart under heavy use.
Shots fired! It's funny headphone jacks are only being removed from "high end" devices. Low end phones the ports are loud and proud.
thumbs down for making me cry. RIP headphone jack you will be missed.
And no touchscreen!
a headphone jack
good storage
good battery life
actual portability
better interface
better optimized OS
buttons
clickwheel
I believe theres a driver in itunes folder that sometimes you have to install with windows 10 to get older ipods to work.
Win+R
%ProgramFiles%\Common Files\Apple\Mobile Device Support\Drivers
From there, it is possible to install unrecognized device drivers.
@@CASSIOLACERDA thanks for the clarification!
I have an iPod Classic 5th Gen that I routinely sync with my ITunes library on my Windows10 desktop.
@@airborne5642 ipod classic 5th gen uses the 30 pin connector and USB, not firewire
“An iPhone without the phone” so it’s just an I
*”I” INTENSIFIES*
The i in iPhone, iPod, and iPad, goes back to the iMac, which was named as such because it was the first Mac to support Wi-Fi and to have a major focus on Internet connectivity itself. The i stood for Internet.
This technically means that iPhone, iPod, and iPad are Internet Phone, Internet Pod, and Internet Pad respectively.
So an iPhone without the phone is an Internet.
I have one of each gen iPod. Yes, you can totally get all of them to work.
Hi. I have an HP Omen laptop with a Thunderbolt 3 port. Do you know if connecting a 2nd gen iPod Classic through the Thunderbolt 3 to 2 adapter + 2 to Firewire 800 adapter + Firewire800 to 400 adapter + 400 to iPod combo works?
Hi, mi Original iPod (just ike the one in the video) will just charge, doesn't sync, when connected to my MacBook Air with Big Sur, any idea why that is?
LGR: *installs a fireware card*
Mac: *buys more adapters*
To get older pre-windows iPods working on Windows try looking for a piece of software named XPlay. It was able to connect Mac formatted iPods to Windows. I used it to get some songs off an old Mac-formatted iPod. I believe that the first Windows iPods used a program named MusicMatch to sync the device. That may work.
I absolutely love it when Colin gets surprised by something.
It's most likely missing the iPod Driver, back in the day it was installed by default.
Yeah. Mac OS has the support for iPod baked into the code
iTunes requires specific drivers to be installed separately for Windows to use most old iPods, as well as some other Apple devices.
"You can't copy music from an old iPod"
It's really easy to do this in Windows as you probably know...😏
Yup, I didn't need iTunes or any software whatsoever. I didn't even have to configure windows to show hidden files. Copied it to another MP3 player, phone, and iPod touch.
Hidden files does not solve this as music is stored in iPod_Control/Music/F08/2228.mp3 which is hard and unrecognizable without the database.
@@W00fer Rubbish. iTunes stores files in a non linear way, like ABYC etc but the files are still recognisable. I've done this countless times on old iPods I've bought
Not even on windows. The damn ps3 can see and even copy files from most classic/nano/shuffle/mini iPods as long as they can use usb.
Command + Shift + . in Finder and all the files are revealed. Yes, they are out of order but using iTunes itself, just import those files and be sure iTunes is set to manage your iTunes library and it will reorganize the jumbled up audio files for you very neatly.
14:28 Dude I just ordered a new belt for my cassette Walkman...we're still out here. You already know that though! :)
Minidisc user here
I pulled out my original iPod recently, and luckily had an older Mac mini as my media server which already had FireWire, so a $6 cable from amazon was all I needed for OG sync bliss. Love that iTunes had the correct icon for the iPod still in the interface. 🙃
5th gen Video user here, glad to see these little things getting some recognition again.
I live and die by my Walkman mp3 player. My phone could never give me a proper shuffle function or decent sound quality. I'm by no means an audiophile either. I just like good sounding music.
If you have an Android, there's an official VLC app. play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.videolan.vlc
I still carry my 80GB iPod Classic everywhere I go. I've had it since 2007 and it syncs without issue and the battery still lasts for weeks. ( I mostly use it in the car with a tape adapter and I have a very short commute)
I'd reeeeeally love to see a Spotify playlist made of all the songs on this iPod.
I have some of my iPod playlists in my Spotify. Just got to drag them from Itunes… Actually you could do the same with all your iPod content this way.
14:18 "well stop using this old antiquated garbage. And clearly.."
No clearly those people have never used an ipod before... ipod has one job and dose it freeken well. Just play my damn music. no accounts, no wifi, no sharing battery with other things, no getting calls in the middle of your music. Just play music for like 20 hours.
@ShinDig Listener if your already in the itunes ecosystem then you can drag'n'drop files to itunes. if not you can mod most ipods to run rockbox and then drag'n'drop flac files to it like a normal mp3 player..
@ShinDig Listener in that case i wouldn't recommend rockbox... itunes / apple music should be fine... its been over a decade since iv used itunes soo cant comment on it now but back then ripping cds you own to it was easy and buying music through itunes worked well
As someone who loves to collect iPods your words have deeply resonated with me thank you
;w;
@ShinDig Listener I've been getting the mini (second gen, with a 32gb card modded) out more. If you really don't want to use iTunes, foobar2000 with the iPod plugin is my go to. Drag music into foobar, File > iPod > sync, done. If you go into Library > Preferences, you can even have it convert unsupported formats to AAC, Apple lossless, or plain old MP3s.
iPods are still great devices . I keep using my 2006 iPod Video 5.5th (upgraded with a SDXC adapter ) on daily basis and it sounds awesome. Yes, it has one job and it does it well.
I'm pretty sure apple publicly announced that all iPod would be supported in the finder, with the breakup of iTunes. I think it was announced at WWDC 2019
I remember growing up, I could never afford a mainstream MP3 player, so I had this portable video clip player called "Juice Box" and it had a MP3 player add-on, and I had a 16 megabyte card to hold a few select songs on. I think I got it on Kmart clearance for like $10 at the time, but it saw a ton of use.
Gotta love it. To be able contact a single device you need a whole set of dongles. This is very much an Apple specific problem and solution and it made me chuckle.
Part of me misses the Nano I got back in college. That was USB, of course, so connecting it would just require a 30-pin to USB cable.
pokepress Well, you an still find third party made cables if you can’t find an official Apple cable
The 3rd gen iPods had great sound. They had a great DAC onboard. I put a IDE>CF>SD card in mine and now I can store almost however much i want and the device is a lotttt lighter too. You should do a video on upgrading a 3rd gen with a new battery, HD(orSD) and maybe some mods to the backlight and/or the backlight for the four buttons on top. Those three navigation buttons above the wheel is why I love the 3rd gen more than any other ipod including the mechanical wheel on the first gen. Like I said, I'll donate one of my working 3rd gen ipods.
It used to be semi-common for Windows iTunes to not detect iPods. I remember doing support back then and there was an Apple kbase article with a full iTunes remove and reinstall process that would typically fix it. Last time I troubleshot it was Vista, though. :)
We lost something with streaming and that's our attention span. Most of the people won't listen to a whole track, let alone a whole album these days. No one seems to take their time and dedicate it to enjoying what the artists made, and that's sad. Dedicated players like the iPod are a great opportunity to purposely load up some albums and listen to them either at home as a audio source or on the go.
Alice In Chains! Your boy Dan has some good music taste!
Brought my ipod classic back to life about a year ago, new harddrive and battery and it works like a charm. Simple controls and dedication to music only is a winner, currently have it hooked up to the car stereo.
When I saw all the adapters, it just reminded me of what you need to actually use a modern MacBook
Well, it is an apple product. If you didn't expect any dongles, well...
Well Apple and dongles tend to go hand-in-hand-in-hand-in-hand,,,,,,!
Actually you can easily get to the files on an ipod via Finder / Explorer if you view hidden files. Whilst Apple stored the music in an archaic way using letter codes and random folders to deter people, you can still copy the music off. The original filenames can be restored based on metadata using MP3tag (which is Windows only but if you have Homebrew installed on Mac you can run the software in Wine).
This is also the best way to recover music if the iTunes.db file on the ipod was corrupted and disabling sync, but the music was still playable on the ipod.
The PC starts up in a mode compatible with software from 30+ years ago, so I think it's still the winner in terms of long-term compatibility.
Apple was actually always pretty good at retaining compatibility with all of the older model ipod and iphones in the MacOS. Of course, it could be that they were just too lazy to remove support for the older models. Im suprised that the new Apple Music works on it. Also, you friend has some good music on there! :)
My fifth generation iPod video still works with Mac iTunes. I have used it as music storage in 7 different BMWs over the years and kept my "out of car" music on my iPhone because I dont carry my phone everytime I leave my home. Finally a couple of years ago, BMW dropped their support of older iPods in their newer model cars. But then my friend pointed out to me that my car had hard drive storage for music, and it was larger than the capacity of my iPod. And now the iPhones have so much storage available that I think that my iPod is now a museum piece.
I still have an iPod mini in the glove box of my car for all my music. Still syncing through iTunes for Windows whenever I get tired from the 100s of songs I have there.
The mini has always been my favorite iPod. 👍
Seeing that Creative Nomad brought back some memories. I came across two boxes of NOS Nomads thrown out about 8 years ago. I’m pretty sure I still have them put away somewhere.
Try running a Zune. NO way to use one at all, Even in Windows.
Dana W I still have a Windows 7 laptop to sync music with an not so sold windows phone cell. Speaking about retro compability.
I just pulled my Zune HD out and tried it recently, and it went fine. Even the garbo Zune program worked, but I guess the old models might be different?
I can still use a zune with windows 10. They sound miles better than ipods.
I kinda want a classic iPod. As a kid I had a cheap MP3 player that used a triple a battery, then had the iPod touch 4. I love the look of the original iPod, I might pick one up
My 3rd Gen iPod with the capacitve touch wheel and red LEDs. It still works with Windows and sounds a lot better than most of the newer iPod or iPhones due to the Wolfson DAC as opposed to the Cirrus used in most of the newer models.
I've only just recently moved onto a new non-Apple MP3 player after having an iPod Classic for nearly the last decade. I'm very happy with this new modern player, but I will always have a special place in my heart for my iPod Classic.
I've been using a iPod 7th gen 160gb running RockBox. It's been amazing!
I worked for an Apple retailer when the original iPod was released and contrary to popular opinion, I can reveal that it actually wasn't an instant hit. It initially required a Mac, and not just any Mac. It had to have Firewire (Which wasn't a given in 2001 given not everyone had a new Mac). I remember selling Firewire cards to some early adopters. Some even bought a new Mac. But most people were indifferent. Then came the next revision that worked on Windows, but still required a Firewire card. I can tell you, the average Joe with a Windows PC was not willing to buy an expensive card just so they could use this new "walkman". For a bit there, I was wondering if the iPod was going to be a failure. It was only when Apple released the USB 2.0 iPod (I think this version was the one with the buttons above, not around the wheel) together with the marketing of the dancing silhouettes, that the iPod became a cultural phenomenon.
This shows you how well Apple keeps support for older devices
This is the exception that proves the rule
Impressive to see it still work after almost 2 decades! Wow
Now this is impressive. Much better than when you tried to install Windows 10 on a Pentium II.
I knew this was going to work because I've done it. I just wanted to see your reaction. Congrats!
USB 2.0 actually came out in early 2000, which I just discovered recently and kind of blew my mind. I didn't have it on any of my computers until maybe 2003.
I mean, it still recognizes my Razr V3im with iTunes. Even shows an icon for it. I expect it to work.
I messed around with one of these once. I really like the physical wheel. It’s kinda sad that such a useful and innovative input device has no use in our world today
Maybe this ancient iPod code is what makes Music so sluggish and buggy!
Since I've been RGB modding all my old consoles from Twin Famicoms to N64 and Turbografx CD etc. and retroftting better screens onto Gameboy originals and such, I would like to take my new solder/modding skills on to doing this! I recently just installed a battery into my older 5th gen 80GB I love, and wish they never stopped the click wheel...was a pain separating the casing however, Apple loves to not have people touch their own products or interchange parts that extend its life! But I can definitely see the appeal to these dedicated guys, glad you did a vid on this!
Seeing you posting videos of Retro tech makes me so happy! It's so cool to see someone talking about these awesome pieces of history is just the best :)
Great video Collin. It wasn't surprised to see the iPod work with a mac, it's not so hard to keep support built in to Apple Music. I was surprised to see it not work in windows with iTunes. Now as far as devices such as laptops and iMacs that can be a different story as support for modern operating systems. For an operating system to work with legacy computers they may have to maintain a separate kernel to support the older cpu architecture or keep the support built into the mainline Darwin Kernel which could make the kernel rather large that takes up a lot of storage space. Also a larger kernel means more ram usage as well which would have significant performance issues. So it kind of makes sense they would want to discontinue support for older Mac Architectures because it would be a lot of work and it would be expensive.
If I remember correctly the Firewire 400 iPods unlike the USB compatible Version never offically received support in iTunes for Windows...
I have 2nd-gen iPods (FireWire only), and they did make a Windows version of it.
While that is true the 2nd gen iPod (Mid 2002) shipped with Music Match Jukebox as iTunes (Windows) didn't exist back then...
The 1st Gen iPod didn't feature a Windows compatibility at all (Late 2001)
@@itmkoeln then why does my first gen match up with iTunes on my Windows 10 system as well as it does on my MacBook
Great vid dude, as many people have pointed out but there are some drivers you have to use to get win10 to work with iTunes and the iPod but I do not have one so I can't speak from personal experience.
I use an iPod classic in my car as I have plugged it into the USB on my headunit and then routed into the glovebox so I don't get people calling me etc like you would get using a phone.
Again great vid man :)
Missed an opportunity to say 'This does not compute'
I might be able to donate one of my working 3rd gen ipods to your channel.
I’ve been super into iPods lately. Then all of a sudden you come out with an iPod video??? This proves that we’re in a simulation.
Can’t wait to watch this, thanks for the upload!
"I’ve been super into iPods lately."
Let me guess: DankPods frenzy eh?
Thank you so much for posting this video! I just bought a 1st gen iPod on eBay today for repairing (I'm in love with older audio related equipment). I didn't really do much research on how to get it to connect and sync to modern computers, and I started panicking since it was more expensive than I wanted it to be, yet still the cheapest option I'd seen one for in a while. Knowing that I can still connect it to Windows computers is awesome, and I'm not really as worried anymore. I guess now I gotta buy those connectors and see if there's a way to get access to an older form of iTunes that still allows 1st gen connecting.
I have an old iPod Classic that my dad traded to me about a decade ago, and it still works like a champ! 160Gb, long-lasting battery, and the music quality is really nice. Funniest thing I've ever heard a coworker say to me was "Is that the one with the apps?" xD
You could actually buy games for the Classic. I had sudoku and some sort of lame music RPG I think was made by Square Enix
@@donatj Yeah, but this guy meant apps like you would find on an iPhone. xD
You can totally access and copy music from the original ipods on windows computers. If your ipod shows up as an external drive in windows explorer, go into the folder settings and select "show hidden files" and after going through a couple folders you'll find all your music scattered across several folders labeled "F" followed by a number I believe. Your music won't be labeled in any way that you will recognize but they will play in any music playing software as long as they weren't purchased through the itunes store. I used to have a windows utility that would go through all these files and correctly rename them. I think they're all renamed as 5 character HEX names (not sure though). The ipod xml system has it's own way of organizing everything.
“It‘s a thousand songs in your pocket’”
-Steve Jobs
"It's like a shammy it's like a towel it's like a sponge" -Vince Shlomi
“A deck of cards!” -Steve Jobs
"HAAH!?" - Norm Macdonald
I actually remember a good amount of my old PC's having a firewire port. either on the soundcard or stock. i found it much more common to see firewire ports on PC's than I find thunderbolt ports on PC's.
I am genuinely still using my 4 generation iPod Classic every day, it just sits in my car connected to a 30 pin FM transmitter
FM transmitter, why...? Get an aux adapter
RWL2012
The reason why is because my FM transmitter connects into the 30 pin connector at the bottom of the iPod keeping it charged and transmitting my songs to my car (1 cable 2 jobs). Simply unlocking my car wakes my iPod then all I need to do is hit play.
for windows the reason itunes didnt detect it its because itunes for win is buggy af and takes like 20 tries (at worst) for it to see a device older than like an iphone 2g
Props to your buddy for having Alice in Chains in his playlist!
This was a very cool video, thanks for making it! I was perplexed about connecting an old iPod to a new mac!
Does 2012 count as modern? My iPod 5GB is syncing regularly with my 2012 Mac Pro, just with a 800 to 400 adapter!
relatively.
One weird reverse thing of this, I have a car radio designed in the iPod days (bought in 2009) when at best only the iPhone 3G was out. Apple kept backward compatibility with iPod mode until at least an iPhone 7, so you can still plug the USB cord in, and control track selection with the head unit buttons.My family members only have up to an iPhone 7, so I can't verify higher.
Nah, you can access the music directly from windows explorer, you just have to enable hidden files
this is crazy I always wondered if this would work! I periodically think about getting my old ipod out and trying to use it but then never do because I figured it wouldn't work with my modern gear.
Syncing is moved to finder. The music app is just a player
Regarding iPod and Mac compatibility back then, at 3:04 "It was also a pretty easy decision for Apple to make not just because it was pretty much its own interface but mostly because at that point Apple was including Firewire ports on all of its Macs so it meant your iPod could already connect to your Mac." but we flash forward to 2020 and a $1350 2020 iPhone cannot connect to a 2020 Macbook Pro with the included USB A to Lightning port.
I still use my iPod classic. Great to have when I did not want to kill my phone battery. It’s crazy how the iPod class is mods are on eBay. I’m just waiting for them to have usb type c in them instead if the standard iPod classic transfer cable.
Nice video. Really enjoyed how surprised you were that the first generation ipod for mac would still work on a modern apple operating system. However, as a vintage apple computer user know a classic ipod will work with my white 20 inch G5 imac and white 24 inch Intel imac vintage systems, since both have Fire-wire 400 ports.
Apple has been pretty good at keeping compatibility with the old iPods so far... And its also the only Apple product that I own and use
The classic iPod communication protocol is just via the storage interface. iTunes doesn’t really see the iPod as anything but a hard drive with a couple of specific files on the drive. Supporting the USB iPod classic etc means also supporting the FireWire ones, and I think even the iPod touch and iPhone still use the same basic mechanism.
“I should have never updated iTunes!” - Japanese man with Kyle's face sewn to his ass.
Lol I love that episode.
@@FlintG what's that from?
@@SlavTiger It's from a South Park episode called "HUMANCENTiPad"
After a month of my first comments, I have finally been able to get those adapters and I am using this opportunity to say, THANKS TO YOU FOR THIS VIDEO.
Bless You
never owned an apple - but have heard they exist
youve done well so far, why change a good habbit
Oranges are better...don't believe the hype
If you've never tried something, you'll never miss it.
Love the video. My first iPod was a 160 gig Classic (5th gen?). SInce then I've picked up a couple of nanos (two 3rd gen for me, a 5th gen for the wife) and a bunch of classics in varying states of dysfunction (bad drive in one, bad battery in one, don't remember what the deal is with the rest). Will eventually get around to modding one or several.
Apple Computer; leaving people with boxes of adapters for over 30 years...
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This actually helps me alot for a different reason, i have an old handycam that used a port that from my understanding was basically firewire (it had its own name, its on the phat ps2 iirc). I tried searching for usb-firewire but ofc the answer was no you cant because of the tech of the era. Thank you
You seemed genuinely surprised! Really enjoyed seeing your reaction.
Yeah that was a horrible acting job.
When Apple split the MacOS version of iTunes into 3 programs they just moved each function into seperate application files and move formatting into the MacOS finder and even on the windows version of iTunes, some of the folders that the program uses still references "Apple Computer" and folders from updates to the program after the company name was shortened to "Apple Inc." just say "Apple" - an example of this would be the %appdata% folder on Windows.
When they first launched the windows iPod, iTunes didn't exist on the platform and shipped with an installer for MusicMatch, which was horrible.
The solution I used until they released a Windows version of iTunes was called ephpod.
I love these types of video so much
On any iPod / iPhone that is connected to Windows, you have to use the dropdown list from the music to see the iPod / iPhone, not sure if it will show up, but worth looking in Windows
Honestly, the most interesting thing about this was the list of songs. And it's quite good!
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Well, it makes sense to me that Apple computers would still interact with other Apple products, but I’m not surprised it didn’t show up in the windows version of ITunes.
Thank you this was very helpful. One question though: is it possible to transfer music onto the iPod via windows file explorer? I was thinking of getting on of these but if you can't put music on it, then it's probably not worth it for me
There was actually a time roughly 4 or 5 years ago where Apple had actually stopped allowing the older iPods (5 and lower I think) to stop syncing to iTunes and iTunes wouldn’t recognize them. The computer would recognize them as an external hardrive. [this was this way on the Mac, and very similar to your experience on the PC, maybe that’s what is going on with the PC. That never updated the software to allow “compatibility” again. *in air quotes because it is literally a limitation added to the code of iTunes by and was on both Mac and PC at one point.
For christmas this year my partner got me 2 first generation iPods and was relived i could still load music on it through a modern mac!
excellent video!
Time for a new partner and hardware.
@@ShainAndrews that's not for you to decide.
I have an old Mini DV camcorder. I have to link it through firewire adapter plus 800 to 400 adapter then the cable is a 400 to mini media dv cable. Works really well. So cudos to Apple for letting older gen tech to work on newer systems 😊
To me the appeal of Having a dedicated Audio player extends mainly to my Car. It is nice to have one that you can connect with an aux cable and use. Phones have all this new tech that compresses audio files and changes the original sound and to me it's for the worse. If you want CD quality Audio then an old Ipod like this is great. I am seriously debating getting one (I use an old Android now lol) because these are really cheap to get nowadays and still work great.
Plugs in my no name mp3 player from 20 years ago with USB.. and... it works... only in the apple world is this something to marvel at :)