I went to Toyota to buy a sienna. Dealer laughed and said I would have to wait atleast 24months. I said okay, I will buy a grandhighalnder limited hybrid. He said that would be at least 16months and this was in July even before the stop sale that's still in effect. So I am now technically gonna be waiting for atleast 20 months for that. A friend went into a Kia dealer for the carnival hybrid. He has been given a VIN already and for delivery in 3 months. I am now seriously considering moving over to the Kia carnival. I may just have to live with the fact that it's fwd, or better still wait for the 2nd generation palisade hybrid.
Don't listen to this clowns 😂 I’m well aware of huge waiting time for Toyota hybrids in Canada. I'd say if you want AWD don't settle for FWD, especially in Canada. unlike the clowns, we both know front wheel drive with winter tires is not the same as having an all-wheel-drive in Canada. Also keep in mind Toyota all-wheel-drive is not as capable or sure footed as when you have mechanical shaft connecting to the rear axle. I would wait for Palisade hybrid.
The Hyundai Palisade 😃 for the SUV range in a better kinds of roads for drive and safety drivings in all kinds of situations better than a vans, if you have the opportunity of a Toyota Highlander wooh better, sometimes the better need more time 😉 but if you are hurry and then has the opportunity of change the car in 5 or 8 years the Carnival would be a beautiful and good gift.
@@James-il3tq you have to shop around? Before Covid, one could buy any car at any time and within a few weeks, not months or year. Fast forward from 2021, 4 years later and Toyota has gotten worse in terms of supply of all the car companies.
Nice looking in and out. Only thing I might think about is with that large of a vehicle, how the 1.6 turbo would hold up if a lot of highway driving. Kia did a good job and, hopefully, they will produce a lot of them in comparison to what Toyota produces.
Kia/Hyandais are decently reliable but don't expect this turbo to hold up as long as Toyota's 2.5L naturally aspirated Sienna engine (and near bulletproof hybrid system). Vehicle maintenance is paramount for small turbo engines especially oil changes every 5000 miles (8000km) MAX. If you want to keep this 300,000km+ (200,000 miles) oil changes every 3500-4000 miles (6000km) highly recommended. Watch The Car Care Nut. He's such an honest mechanic who goes in depth and has a tonne of experience as a Master Technician!
I've said this in other videos. I test drove the SX, dark package. A few things for my fellow shoppers: If you get the entertainment addition and you don't have the power seats in the second row, when you pull the lever to bring the seats forward they come with so much velocity that they will crash into the screen. Check it out for yourself. If you're not holding with both hands that seat whips forward. The HUD is very faint if you are wearing polarized sunglasses. If you want the VIP chairs, check where your feet are bc you most likely will be tucked under the front seats. It seemed more like a gimmick than true comfort.
a great review as always. I find e-CVTs not to be particularly offensive, the high whine sound is just the engine giving its all. I do find fake artificial shifts offensive and mechanical automatic transmissions antiquated for they interrupt the engines power delivery to provided a simulated shift or in the case of an automatic to change a gear. As a driver of a Prius I try to avoid aggressive use of the gas pedal which eats up fuel economy and creates the loud whine.
As someone that has to carry their Wheelchair / Walker around due to a disability vans are the only thing I buy. Can't beat the price and the utility. Great for road-trips, kids all sorts of reasons... Let people have their over priced gas-hungry SUV's and Pick-up Trucks!
The Sienna FWD hybrid base price is almost identical at 40 to 41k. For the same price (if they don't have mark ups) I would choose the Sienna everyday of the week. And I have been able to find a few already at my local dealerships in the NJ/nyc area.
Also, there is no spare tire. they have a tire mobility kit which is the side storage area in the back. The spare time issue is a big one and there no jack (just a lug wrench). I recommend getting a spare wheel with tire and a jack for long trips. One can keep the tier at home or carry all the time - but a good idea for long trips. If a tire blows you have to be towed, and the towing coverage sucks as it's about $75 which is nothing these days and it ruins your day.
I think kia hyundai are developing hybrid with bigger engines. That would be an ideal engine for this car. 1.6 turbo seems like a bit too small for a car like this. I like how it looks and capable as an people hauler though. I think the real world test should be the car full of people with stuff at the back. Not many people buy this for one or two people in the car.
Where are you located, and what are your markups? I’m in BC and someone told me their dealer wanted $6k over msrp including dealer add ons that were not negotiable and they didn’t even have inventory
Hi Zack and Andrea, My daughter wanted to get one of these but supposedly the previously model had poor crash safety ratings, which is surpassing since almost all sales would be to families. Have you heard anything for Kia on if t see new model has fixed that issue and what the Crash safety rating, in the US, are? Thats the only thing keeping them from purchasing this.
So in 2022 when they tested it, it did very well except for the side impact. The second row seat actually became detached. Kia fixed that problem and the seat no longer comes detached, but it still gets a poor rating. It’s quite shocking because when this car was designed every other SUV from Kia was getting perfect side impact crash tests…. Very, very strange that they did not reinforce the side structure with the refresh
@@MugatuJag Yes we ask the dealer about it and they said they would check and get back to us but they never did and will not return calls. Too bad as she liked everything else about it.
wow the Carnival is priced really competitively to the Sienna! Carnival will definitely take some customers away from the Sienna but hopefully not too many
I don't know how many are aware, but the Kia Sorento has a huge Achilles heel in the lower front grill which does not adequately protect the radiator/intercooler from road debris (You can see it here 5:43). There are numerous complaints in social media about the Sorento, of busted radiator/intercooler from rocks, costing close to 1500 USD to replace. Unfortunately Kia carried over the same front end design to the Carnival.
@@varunaXIt does from a coat stand point. They already have this powertrain in other models, why spend the money to develop a new powertrain with a bigger engine? 240hp will be enough for most of the people buying a minivan.
Good to consider getting extended warranty if you plan to keep it beyond factory warranty. I'd also consider the lower resale value you'll get for this then a Sienna down the road. Not saying don't get one just consider cost of ownership. Oh and more frequent oil, changes on this tiny turbo very importantly for long term reliability.
@@brianb7844 lots of half tonne trucks out there with smaller turbo engines and they do just fine if used appropriately. Would I load 8 people, a week's worth of luggage and a 3500lb trailer on the back of this van? No, I'd buy a vehicle built for that but most people hauling kids and hockey gear it'll be just fine.
Turbocharged? That’s a dealer breaker for me. Otherwise it’s a nice looking van … other than it’s a Kia. I could be convinced to leased , depending on interest rate/out the door price.
Looks like a decent vehicle, but I still don't know why Kia uses the 1.6T Gamma engine in their hybrids. That is a tiny engine and this is a big vehicle (4852 pounds plus people/things), meaning the engine will almost always be in boost. That doesn't bode well for long term durability and/or fuel economy. Kia/Hyundai have their newer SmartStream 2.5L four cyclinder engines (like they use in the Sportage), which are dual injection (port and direct injection), which would be a better choice for their hybrids.
@@stevenstewart1308 That's my point. They have (IMO) a better engine in the newer SmartStream 2.5L engine. They should use that engine with their hybrid system instead of the Gamma II 1.6T. The non-turbo 2.5L would be less stressed, would likely return slightly better fuel economy and has dual injection so won't suffer from carbon build up after a couple of years.
@@jeffer1101 the 1.6 was designed solely for efficiency, which is why it's the engine used in the hybrids. Plus the cost to develop a 2.5 hybrid powertrain would just drive up the price of the vehicle even more and who is going to pay over 60K for a minivan?
@@stevenstewart1308 The Gamma II 1.6T engine was not developed for efficiency. It was launched in 2011 and has been used in a variety of smaller vehicles as an optional engine choice for those picking higher trims or wanting more power. They use that same engine and detune it for the hybrid (since lower power means lower fuel consumption). They don't need to develop anything new, I am simply suggesting they bolt their more modern 2.5L SmartStream engine to the hybrid system instead of using a tiny boosted older engine (that doesn't have the greatest track record for reliability). If they REALLY wanted to go all out, they could invest some money into their hybrid program and use a modified version of the 2.5L SmartStream engine to run on the Atkinson cycle. Even doing that wouldn't involve THAT much money (for a company the size of Kia/Hyundai). Keep in mind, this company shares powertrain platforms across their brands (Kia/Hyundai/Genesis) so even if there are costs involved, it can be spread out over the sales of millions of vehicles globally. This company is known for investing a lot of money in producing good looking and well featured products (I've owned several of them). They have the money and ability to do it right. It seems they get about 95% of the way there, but still make odd choices. Like putting a twin clutch transmission in a Sante Fe, for example. Just dumb.
Just remember you don't save until you drive enough miles to equal the premium you pay to get the hybrid. This could be 3-5 years for some people depending on what the price per gallon of fuel is over that time.
I went for a test drive yesterday. In my conclusion, it's not great at all. Yes, it's quieter than V6 or Diesel but driving isn't fun. I feel 1.6l is not enough power for such massive car, the battery is very small too, hence its towing rating is 1 tonnes less than V6 / Diesel version. I'm sticking with my 2023 Diesel model for now, maybe upgrading to V6 for more power, but Diesel is just so cheap to run and has the best torque of them all. Steer away from Hybrid, guys. Test drive it for yourself, you'll understand what I mean.
It’s a good showing. #1 reason for buying hybrid is better fuel economy. Sienna comes in with better economy…it’s the winner here over the Carnival. The Sienna’s AWD rating is still actually better than the Carnival which is FWD only. Here on the prairies AWD Sienna sell 10 to 1 over its FWD version. It’s a good showing for sure and they did a good job, but Sienna still reigns 🤴
@@raymondswenson1268I live in Alberta and wouldn't say AWD a necessity but highly preferable. Good winter tires are more important. If you're in really bad winters studded winter tires help with traction at the expense of of road noise and tire wear.
Yes but don't expect that engine to last nearly as long as a naturally aspirated equivilant. Extra maintenance also vital on turbo engines as the oil becomes contaminated quicker. Oil changes every 3500-5000 miles max are vital for long term reliability.
@@James-il3tq yes absolutely it is even more important to change oil frequently. Do note the particular G4FJ engine's been around for many years and thankfully it doesn't have any known critical flaws unlike some other Kia engines.
@@James-il3tq You're not taking into account the reduced load on the engine from the electric motors. Toyota Prius engines can last over 500,000 KM/s because the electric motors pull the car forward from a dead stop up to about 30-35kms/hr before the gasoline engine starts pulling the weight of the car. This is crucial.
its so logic, because hey having a van with a family and then have to change tires with a spare tire to help you would be too easy, i hate this kind of things, its a big fail for me
Agree. Toyota's basic EAWD does the trick here in Canadian winters (with winter tires of course). It's not flashy or sporty but helps in slippery situations. 2019 Rav4 hybrid owner 😊
You guys are excellent, but left this review at front wheel drive only. I've become fatigued at the routine disaster of minivans getting stuck at ski hills.
First impressions: Inside, it looks nice. Very comparable to their sister vehicle the Hyundai Santa Fe. But outside ... I dunno. I could be very wrong, but it looks way too heavy and low to the ground. No wade depth, whatsoever. And though in many areas, that's not a deal-killer, if you're in Houston or New Jersey -- that vehicle is gonna brick the first time it's surrounded by water. Something to think about before you drop a C-note on that sucker. *amazing gas mileage due to that hybrid system, though. just wow.
All the people crying about turbo engines like Toyota aren't using them, too. The 1.6T is sufficient for this vehicle. They slightly tuned it for more power for the Carnival due to its larger size. It's possible that in the future, when the Telluride and Palisade get the 2.5T hybrid, it might also end up in the Carnival. Their current hybrid system has been decently reliable which is good.
What do you think, how long the 1.6 engine going to last for that large heavy mass???????? Of course they won't mention that, not their money you will spend on repair.
You do realize that the electric motor will be assisting the engine right? So the engine isn't taking the entire load. Shouldn't be an issue of durability and if there is I'm sure they will extend the warranty like they always do.
@@stevenstewart1308 If you would know how hybrid work, the electric motor just an assist to the petrol engines. For speed up or go very low speed for short period of time. Etc. So the rest of the time the turbo kicks in more compression wear out engines faster. Therefore you won't able to use it for 500K with one engine. So before you comment, know what you talking about.
@@ferenckaposvari8337 dude I know how a hybrid works. I'm literally a Kia tech and have been a tech for 24 years and I own a PHEV. The electric motor also provides power when you need to accelerate fast. Floor it and you get all the power, gas and electric. So maybe you should know what you're talking about.
EVs yes, hybrids are pretty mainstream now, affordable (as much as gas models anyways) and lowers fuel costs considerably. On Toyota's ECVT hybrids you also have higher reliability then gas model equivilants with no starter, alternator, less engine and brake usage.
@@James-il3tq there is still a pretty big affordability gap as I see it. They're either only available as brand new models, or lack of availability (aka no discounts at all, and possibly a wait-list), or a Toyota, or some combination of the three. Unless you do big miles I don't see how the numbers work. I would assert that buying a 50k minivan to save on gas is a rich person's game.
i dont trust Hyundai and Kia for all the bad experience i had in the last 10y with 3 Hyundai carsm but that would be the 1st kia i would consider, but only because of the waiting list on toyota hybrid, i would maybe consider a honda hybrid before really going for a kia
The firmness of the seats is relative to driver & passenger body weight. The US is currently experiencing an obesity epidemic as reported by the Centres for Disease Control in this September 12, 2024 news release: "New CDC population data from 2023 show that in 23 states more than one in three adults (35%) has obesity. Before 2013, no state had an adult obesity prevalence at or above 35%. Currently, at least one in five adults (20%) in each U.S. state is living with obesity."
It's also generally said that a firmer seat keeps you more comfortable on longer rides, whereas a soft seat can feel nice at first but the comfort fades due to lack of targeted support. I am going to look at this vehicle, and as long as the seat has good ergonomic shaping (side bolstering, lumbar support, etc), I would not hold seat firmness against it.
Nah. I say it'll blow up right after 100k miles. They're not dumb. Why give a 100k powertrain warranty if they expect the motor to only last 50k miles. They'll end up giving free engines to everyone.
@@cadd9511I'm amazed people buy cars expecting engines to only last 100,000 miles? 😂 I'm at 210,000km on my 2019 Rav4 hybrid and plan to keep it til 400,000km (250,000 miles). I'm diligent with maintenance and change oil every 8000km (5000 miles). Don't forget to check hybrid battery filter often!
toyota hybrid is a better design cvt is not regular hybrid with metal bands but gear driven design . i dont like the kia little motor turbo charged design , carbon build up . kia looks good good job
Definitely expect higher reliability and resales from the Sienna but this is a nice looking and driving hybrid for those who prioritize the that over long term reliability and resale value.
Well they ruined it again with the captains chairs .. I want ventilated front seats but bench seating .. i guess no hybrid for me .. once again they come with their dumb trim levels
@@xinqxing If you like the design of this car, then I can tell you that you are very much behind the times in automobile fashion....in short, you are stuck in the year 2000.....
But you come to comment anyway. And if giving thousands of engines away for free and extended the warranty on multiple vehicles for multiple reasons is screwing someone then I'll take a good screwing anytime.
@@clayton8465 do you feel better about making your comment? You say you don't care so you won't watch but still comment which shows that you do care. But you probably don't own a Kia or Hyundai and have never been "screwed over" by either brand but just jump on the hate bandwagon.
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I went to Toyota to buy a sienna. Dealer laughed and said I would have to wait atleast 24months. I said okay, I will buy a grandhighalnder limited hybrid. He said that would be at least 16months and this was in July even before the stop sale that's still in effect. So I am now technically gonna be waiting for atleast 20 months for that. A friend went into a Kia dealer for the carnival hybrid. He has been given a VIN already and for delivery in 3 months. I am now seriously considering moving over to the Kia carnival. I may just have to live with the fact that it's fwd, or better still wait for the 2nd generation palisade hybrid.
Did you check more then one dealership? When spending $40,000 USD checking a few dealerships would be a minimum reasonable bit of of due diligence.
Also, don’t need AWD for a mini van. Just get some winter tires
Also, don't need hybrid for a minivan. Just get the gasoline model.
Don't listen to this clowns 😂 I’m well aware of huge waiting time for Toyota hybrids in Canada. I'd say if you want AWD don't settle for FWD, especially in Canada. unlike the clowns, we both know front wheel drive with winter tires is not the same as having an all-wheel-drive in Canada. Also keep in mind Toyota all-wheel-drive is not as capable or sure footed as when you have mechanical shaft connecting to the rear axle. I would wait for Palisade hybrid.
The Hyundai Palisade 😃 for the SUV range in a better kinds of roads for drive and safety drivings in all kinds of situations better than a vans, if you have the opportunity of a Toyota Highlander wooh better, sometimes the better need more time 😉 but if you are hurry and then has the opportunity of change the car in 5 or 8 years the Carnival would be a beautiful and good gift.
Great review. Toyota Sienna is basically unobtainable, let's see if Kia is serious about selling this hybrid Carnival and they're actually available!
You have to pay $3000 dealer mark up and wait 2-3 months, and you can get it...
Toyota should discontinue vehicles they cannot deliver to the mass vs making a few hundred a year to the car lottery winners. It just enrages ppl.
It's obtainable if you have patience. Also if you're willing to shop around. I'd also ask why is it in such high demand?
The sienna transmission lasts forever along with the engine. It's a much better product
@@James-il3tq you have to shop around? Before Covid, one could buy any car at any time and within a few weeks, not months or year. Fast forward from 2021, 4 years later and Toyota has gotten worse in terms of supply of all the car companies.
Concealed rear window wiper... love the clean look and unobstructed view through the rear view mirror.
I didn't even realize it was a mini-van at first. I wouldn't mind driving this one, as a Dad.
Nice looking in and out. Only thing I might think about is with that large of a vehicle, how the 1.6 turbo would hold up if a lot of highway driving. Kia did a good job and, hopefully, they will produce a lot of them in comparison to what Toyota produces.
Kia/Hyandais are decently reliable but don't expect this turbo to hold up as long as Toyota's 2.5L naturally aspirated Sienna engine (and near bulletproof hybrid system). Vehicle maintenance is paramount for small turbo engines especially oil changes every 5000 miles (8000km) MAX. If you want to keep this 300,000km+ (200,000 miles) oil changes every 3500-4000 miles (6000km) highly recommended. Watch The Car Care Nut. He's such an honest mechanic who goes in depth and has a tonne of experience as a Master Technician!
Toyota ignores Canadians. They only respect the American market and Americans. And they were caught manipulating safety management. 😡
Great interior design and I think that’s a well done! Great show Andrea! 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@andreaspencer9813 👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻☕️☕️
my brother in law got it.
and he is trying to return it get his money back.
I've said this in other videos. I test drove the SX, dark package.
A few things for my fellow shoppers:
If you get the entertainment addition and you don't have the power seats in the second row, when you pull the lever to bring the seats forward they come with so much velocity that they will crash into the screen. Check it out for yourself. If you're not holding with both hands that seat whips forward.
The HUD is very faint if you are wearing polarized sunglasses.
If you want the VIP chairs, check where your feet are bc you most likely will be tucked under the front seats. It seemed more like a gimmick than true comfort.
You guys always do a nice job with reviews, and this is no exception...many thanks!
a great review as always. I find e-CVTs not to be particularly offensive, the high whine sound is just the engine giving its all. I do find fake artificial shifts offensive and mechanical automatic transmissions antiquated for they interrupt the engines power delivery to provided a simulated shift or in the case of an automatic to change a gear. As a driver of a Prius I try to avoid aggressive use of the gas pedal which eats up fuel economy and creates the loud whine.
offensive ?
I just got mine delivered on Saturday. Haven't been able to really drive it around yet.
my brother got 2022 Kia Carnival and ALREADY burning OIL!
less than 20,000 mile.
Thanks, great pov from both of you. I really like the rear wiper that is hidden on the top, much less dust accumulation.
Love Kia Carnival Hybrid review Andrea@Zack Good Review ( Ty Ron
Thank you Ron, glad you enjoyed it!
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Great review!!
You guys are such a neat combo!! Love❤
LOVE the timeout seat in the back!! 😂😂😂-Dad
As someone that has to carry their Wheelchair / Walker around due to a disability vans are the only thing I buy. Can't beat the price and the utility. Great for road-trips, kids all sorts of reasons... Let people have their over priced gas-hungry SUV's and Pick-up Trucks!
Just an FYI, the Telluride only had white DRL for 2023. They put it back to amber for 24 and up.
More beautiful than the last H. Odyssey and T. Sienna.
I just must way for delivery several months, but I will. I finished (40 years) commitment with GM as my only car supplier. Bay Bay Gm
You guys sounds so happy reviewing the Carnival... Or was it because you were in California?
The Sienna FWD hybrid base price is almost identical at 40 to 41k. For the same price (if they don't have mark ups) I would choose the Sienna everyday of the week. And I have been able to find a few already at my local dealerships in the NJ/nyc area.
Also, there is no spare tire. they have a tire mobility kit which is the side storage area in the back. The spare time issue is a big one and there no jack (just a lug wrench). I recommend getting a spare wheel with tire and a jack for long trips. One can keep the tier at home or carry all the time - but a good idea for long trips. If a tire blows you have to be towed, and the towing coverage sucks as it's about $75 which is nothing these days and it ruins your day.
Thank you for sharing
I think kia hyundai are developing hybrid with bigger engines. That would be an ideal engine for this car. 1.6 turbo seems like a bit too small for a car like this. I like how it looks and capable as an people hauler though. I think the real world test should be the car full of people with stuff at the back. Not many people buy this for one or two people in the car.
I agree with you. 2 liter turbo sounds awesome with around combined 300 hp / 300 lbs tq.
@@uniquestion777that much power not needed with the hybrid torque on top. A less 2.0L turbo with less boost (less stress on engine) would be nice.
Will miss the v6 diesels😢they pull so hard
Does it have a snow mode? Should I trade in the Odyssey?
No AWD.
I'd wait for the PHEV version. I'm surprised they stopped at just an HEV for this one.
If the captain seats don't come out in the second row it really limits what you can haul with it.
Will Canada actually get these for msrp? Want a Sienna but don't want to pay huge dealer markups.
Where are you located, and what are your markups? I’m in BC and someone told me their dealer wanted $6k over msrp including dealer add ons that were not negotiable and they didn’t even have inventory
That's crazy. There's $1000 to $1500 off msrp for the hybrid in the USA already.
Canada has laws not allowing dealerships to charge over MSRP but some get around that by adding aftermarket packages to the car to up the price.
Excelente video, muy agradable la explicación de esta grandiosa lo pareja, me impresiono la kia carnival !!
I like the looks of this. It really doesn't look like a mini van. The styling does look more like an SUV.
That's a massive car both from Kia 🎉
Super practical that's for sure. It's well done!
Hi Zack and Andrea, My daughter wanted to get one of these but supposedly the previously model had poor crash safety ratings, which is surpassing since almost all sales would be to families. Have you heard anything for Kia on if t see new model has fixed that issue and what the Crash safety rating, in the US, are? Thats the only thing keeping them from purchasing this.
So in 2022 when they tested it, it did very well except for the side impact. The second row seat actually became detached. Kia fixed that problem and the seat no longer comes detached, but it still gets a poor rating. It’s quite shocking because when this car was designed every other SUV from Kia was getting perfect side impact crash tests…. Very, very strange that they did not reinforce the side structure with the refresh
@@MugatuJag Yes we ask the dealer about it and they said they would check and get back to us but they never did and will not return calls. Too bad as she liked everything else about it.
@@chuckroyse8401 wow that’s super shady, there’s absolutely no reason they should not have that information available immediately you know
Love it
please tell me they put in a memory seat for the driver?
"Big enough to hold a body" 🤣
How come no discussion about the self driving features?
Isn't the Pacifica hybrid as well? That makes 3 hybrid minivans, no?
The Pacifica is a plug-in hybrid and there is a gas model as well.
I don't want to get the EV9 anymore, it now looks like a carnival !
wow the Carnival is priced really competitively to the Sienna! Carnival will definitely take some customers away from the Sienna but hopefully not too many
900 plus kilometers per tank. How many liters of gas does the tank hold?
With that large of a battery I wish they made this a plug in for quick city commutes. Even if it was just 25-30km in EV mode.
It is amazing where vans have come from the 80s....even has c pillar " Garnish".....haha!
Love it 👌🏼
Hopefully AWD will be next to be added
I don't know how many are aware, but the Kia Sorento has a huge Achilles heel in the lower front grill which does not adequately protect the radiator/intercooler from road debris (You can see it here 5:43). There are numerous complaints in social media about the Sorento, of busted radiator/intercooler from rocks, costing close to 1500 USD to replace. Unfortunately Kia carried over the same front end design to the Carnival.
Leatherette is not standard in Canada, it's fabric seats. Leatherette is part of a $2900 package
The Canadian product planner told us leatherette is standard in Canada for the hybrid.
Great looking, just wish it wasn't front wheel drive.
That is a lot of weight to haul with a 1.6L turbo 4.
yep a 4 cylinder doesnt really make sense here
@@varunaXIt does from a coat stand point. They already have this powertrain in other models, why spend the money to develop a new powertrain with a bigger engine? 240hp will be enough for most of the people buying a minivan.
@@stevenstewart1308 it’s not the hp, it’s the weight of the vehicle versus the engine size.
Good to consider getting extended warranty if you plan to keep it beyond factory warranty. I'd also consider the lower resale value you'll get for this then a Sienna down the road. Not saying don't get one just consider cost of ownership. Oh and more frequent oil, changes on this tiny turbo very importantly for long term reliability.
@@brianb7844 lots of half tonne trucks out there with smaller turbo engines and they do just fine if used appropriately. Would I load 8 people, a week's worth of luggage and a 3500lb trailer on the back of this van? No, I'd buy a vehicle built for that but most people hauling kids and hockey gear it'll be just fine.
If we’ve learned anything with the domination of SUVs/CUVs, people want minivans, they just won’t admit it to themselves.
how about the battery?
Real question is how will the drivetrain handle when theres 6 people and their stuff
Turbocharged? That’s a dealer breaker for me. Otherwise it’s a nice looking van … other than it’s a Kia. I could be convinced to leased , depending on interest rate/out the door price.
Imagining this loaded up with kids and gear is asking a lot for a tiny turbo. Diligent maintenance is vital on these powertrains!
It's 2024 bro, turbos are good if maintained properly
Wish there was a dark headliner. Idk why people get light headliners on minivans its going to be covered in splatters and mess before you know it.
Looks like a decent vehicle, but I still don't know why Kia uses the 1.6T Gamma engine in their hybrids. That is a tiny engine and this is a big vehicle (4852 pounds plus people/things), meaning the engine will almost always be in boost. That doesn't bode well for long term durability and/or fuel economy. Kia/Hyundai have their newer SmartStream 2.5L four cyclinder engines (like they use in the Sportage), which are dual injection (port and direct injection), which would be a better choice for their hybrids.
agreed. 4 cylinder fwd is pretty weak. has to be $$ id guess. v6 would cost a lot more
But they already have a 1.6L hybrid powertrain, not a 2.5L one so it makes complete sense to not develop a new one.
@@stevenstewart1308 That's my point. They have (IMO) a better engine in the newer SmartStream 2.5L engine. They should use that engine with their hybrid system instead of the Gamma II 1.6T. The non-turbo 2.5L would be less stressed, would likely return slightly better fuel economy and has dual injection so won't suffer from carbon build up after a couple of years.
@@jeffer1101 the 1.6 was designed solely for efficiency, which is why it's the engine used in the hybrids. Plus the cost to develop a 2.5 hybrid powertrain would just drive up the price of the vehicle even more and who is going to pay over 60K for a minivan?
@@stevenstewart1308 The Gamma II 1.6T engine was not developed for efficiency. It was launched in 2011 and has been used in a variety of smaller vehicles as an optional engine choice for those picking higher trims or wanting more power. They use that same engine and detune it for the hybrid (since lower power means lower fuel consumption). They don't need to develop anything new, I am simply suggesting they bolt their more modern 2.5L SmartStream engine to the hybrid system instead of using a tiny boosted older engine (that doesn't have the greatest track record for reliability). If they REALLY wanted to go all out, they could invest some money into their hybrid program and use a modified version of the 2.5L SmartStream engine to run on the Atkinson cycle. Even doing that wouldn't involve THAT much money (for a company the size of Kia/Hyundai). Keep in mind, this company shares powertrain platforms across their brands (Kia/Hyundai/Genesis) so even if there are costs involved, it can be spread out over the sales of millions of vehicles globally. This company is known for investing a lot of money in producing good looking and well featured products (I've owned several of them). They have the money and ability to do it right. It seems they get about 95% of the way there, but still make odd choices. Like putting a twin clutch transmission in a Sante Fe, for example. Just dumb.
Doesn't it have AWD?
Just remember you don't save until you drive enough miles to equal the premium you pay to get the hybrid. This could be 3-5 years for some people depending on what the price per gallon of fuel is over that time.
Yes, with the added unknown of future gas prices, which could go either way.
I went for a test drive yesterday. In my conclusion, it's not great at all. Yes, it's quieter than V6 or Diesel but driving isn't fun. I feel 1.6l is not enough power for such massive car, the battery is very small too, hence its towing rating is 1 tonnes less than V6 / Diesel version.
I'm sticking with my 2023 Diesel model for now, maybe upgrading to V6 for more power, but Diesel is just so cheap to run and has the best torque of them all. Steer away from Hybrid, guys. Test drive it for yourself, you'll understand what I mean.
It’s a good showing. #1 reason for buying hybrid is better fuel economy. Sienna comes in with better economy…it’s the winner here over the Carnival. The Sienna’s AWD rating is still actually better than the Carnival which is FWD only. Here on the prairies AWD Sienna sell 10 to 1 over its FWD version. It’s a good showing for sure and they did a good job, but Sienna still reigns 🤴
Anyplace where you have to drive in winter, you need AWD. I live in Washington State, and need AWD to drive the mountain passes 6 months of the year.
@@raymondswenson1268I live in Alberta and wouldn't say AWD a necessity but highly preferable. Good winter tires are more important. If you're in really bad winters studded winter tires help with traction at the expense of of road noise and tire wear.
Agree! The AWD on the Sienna sets these two vans totally apart really.
@@RStarLeeKong yes. Good attempt Kia but Toyota wins with more options and superior economy
So 1.6 liter turbo is powerful enought to drive that big car? !
The combined powertrain numbers are very similar to the old 3.3 V6 so I'd say so.
Yes but don't expect that engine to last nearly as long as a naturally aspirated equivilant. Extra maintenance also vital on turbo engines as the oil becomes contaminated quicker. Oil changes every 3500-5000 miles max are vital for long term reliability.
@@James-il3tq yes absolutely it is even more important to change oil frequently. Do note the particular G4FJ engine's been around for many years and thankfully it doesn't have any known critical flaws unlike some other Kia engines.
@@James-il3tq You're not taking into account the reduced load on the engine from the electric motors. Toyota Prius engines can last over 500,000 KM/s because the electric motors pull the car forward from a dead stop up to about 30-35kms/hr before the gasoline engine starts pulling the weight of the car. This is crucial.
In a vehicle this big they could not find enough room for a spare tire?
its so logic, because hey having a van with a family and then have to change tires with a spare tire to help you would be too easy, i hate this kind of things, its a big fail for me
I think it is more about cost and decrease in mpg. It's carrying a dead weight. I do agree it is a miss by Kia.
I would like to see a real review and test of actual mpg. This is just a dealer ad.
That big well in the back is big enough to hold - another engine. Might need a spare if you really are towing 3500 libs.
Turbochargers are not designed to be turned on/off frequently in a hybrid system.
better tell that to Toyota, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Porsche, and Volvo as well since they all have turbo hybrids
I’m not a fan of turbos, manufacturers are doing it to meet emissions, long term, they get to sell you a replacement turbo down the road 🤪
The Pacifica is the 3rd hybrid option right?
KIA - please sell it also in EU, I would like to get it much more than Hyundai Staria Hybrid...
If only this car had a good passive safety as sienna.
You forgot about the Pacifica Hybrid.
That's a plug-in. Different
@@Motormouth... got it, but still electrified? No one else has PHEV vans?
Fwd only is a hard deal breaker for this Canadian.
Agree. Toyota's basic EAWD does the trick here in Canadian winters (with winter tires of course). It's not flashy or sporty but helps in slippery situations. 2019 Rav4 hybrid owner 😊
You guys are excellent, but left this review at front wheel drive only. I've become fatigued at the routine disaster of minivans getting stuck at ski hills.
First impressions:
Inside, it looks nice. Very comparable to their sister vehicle the Hyundai Santa Fe.
But outside ... I dunno. I could be very wrong, but it looks way too heavy and low to the ground. No wade depth, whatsoever. And though in many areas, that's not a deal-killer, if you're in Houston or New Jersey -- that vehicle is gonna brick the first time it's surrounded by water. Something to think about before you drop a C-note on that sucker.
*amazing gas mileage due to that hybrid system, though. just wow.
Leatherette equals 1980's Vinyl seats. Do u remember when vinyl was the base seat and cloth were the better seats!
Except leatherette isn't vinyl, it is a lot better.
@@waynelion-cachet35 Good to know. Thank you!
@@waynelion-cachet35sticky, unless it’s cooled.
@foxlake6750 leather has the same problem
Trunk is big enough to hold a body... For those times you have a murder at 8 but soccer practice at 6... Lol
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Where is the 2025 Tucson?
You talk about turbo charged engines like they're a good thing.
The v6 model has a spare hung under the passenger side sliding door. I guess the battery of the hybrid took up that space?
At least it's not a 3-cylinder turbo.
Why they don't make SUVs with sliding doors like the minivans ?
Tell them to put the dual injection 2.5L + hybrid and this thing will be perfect. Please no turbo hybrids unless its a performance car then im sold.
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1.6L turbo charged engine in a minivan
Is it for street dragging?
Why not to use just a simple engine?
This is a deal-breaker for me.
All the people crying about turbo engines like Toyota aren't using them, too. The 1.6T is sufficient for this vehicle. They slightly tuned it for more power for the Carnival due to its larger size.
It's possible that in the future, when the Telluride and Palisade get the 2.5T hybrid, it might also end up in the Carnival. Their current hybrid system has been decently reliable which is good.
What do you think, how long the 1.6 engine going to last for that large heavy mass???????? Of course they won't mention that, not their money you will spend on repair.
You do realize that the electric motor will be assisting the engine right? So the engine isn't taking the entire load. Shouldn't be an issue of durability and if there is I'm sure they will extend the warranty like they always do.
@@stevenstewart1308 😂
@@stevenstewart1308 If you would know how hybrid work, the electric motor just an assist to the petrol engines. For speed up or go very low speed for short period of time. Etc. So the rest of the time the turbo kicks in more compression wear out engines faster. Therefore you won't able to use it for 500K with one engine. So before you comment, know what you talking about.
@@ferenckaposvari8337 dude I know how a hybrid works. I'm literally a Kia tech and have been a tech for 24 years and I own a PHEV. The electric motor also provides power when you need to accelerate fast. Floor it and you get all the power, gas and electric. So maybe you should know what you're talking about.
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It's a very good looking minivan, too bad it's KIA
California ❤
Being obsessed with hybrids and EVs is for the coastal elites.
EVs yes, hybrids are pretty mainstream now, affordable (as much as gas models anyways) and lowers fuel costs considerably. On Toyota's ECVT hybrids you also have higher reliability then gas model equivilants with no starter, alternator, less engine and brake usage.
@@James-il3tq there is still a pretty big affordability gap as I see it. They're either only available as brand new models, or lack of availability (aka no discounts at all, and possibly a wait-list), or a Toyota, or some combination of the three. Unless you do big miles I don't see how the numbers work. I would assert that buying a 50k minivan to save on gas is a rich person's game.
Kia to all reviewers "don't call it use the V word!"
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Hmm. They price it similar to sienna. I wish them good luck.
Please AWD that's the only way you can get the market in most North america, like that the Toyota doesn't let you even breathe
i dont trust Hyundai and Kia for all the bad experience i had in the last 10y with 3 Hyundai carsm but that would be the 1st kia i would consider, but only because of the waiting list on toyota hybrid, i would maybe consider a honda hybrid before really going for a kia
1.6T gives me a pause.
Still no AWR/4WR😅
Seems everything good but no 4WD, forget it
1.6Turbo hybrid. Guess this is going to come with a free motor replacement like most Kia/Hyundai products.
1.6 ltr? It’s a race to the bottom. No thank you.
The firmness of the seats is relative to driver & passenger body weight. The US is currently experiencing an obesity epidemic as reported by the Centres for Disease Control in this September 12, 2024 news release: "New CDC population data from 2023 show that in 23 states more than one in three adults (35%) has obesity. Before 2013, no state had an adult obesity prevalence at or above 35%. Currently, at least one in five adults (20%) in each U.S. state is living with obesity."
It's also generally said that a firmer seat keeps you more comfortable on longer rides, whereas a soft seat can feel nice at first but the comfort fades due to lack of targeted support. I am going to look at this vehicle, and as long as the seat has good ergonomic shaping (side bolstering, lumbar support, etc), I would not hold seat firmness against it.
1.6 Turbo lol. With that weight the engine is going to blow up by 50k miles.
Nah. I say it'll blow up right after 100k miles. They're not dumb. Why give a 100k powertrain warranty if they expect the motor to only last 50k miles. They'll end up giving free engines to everyone.
@@cadd9511I'm amazed people buy cars expecting engines to only last 100,000 miles? 😂 I'm at 210,000km on my 2019 Rav4 hybrid and plan to keep it til 400,000km (250,000 miles). I'm diligent with maintenance and change oil every 8000km (5000 miles). Don't forget to check hybrid battery filter often!
toyota hybrid is a better design cvt is not regular hybrid with metal bands but gear driven design . i dont like the kia little motor turbo charged design , carbon build up . kia looks good good job
Definitely expect higher reliability and resales from the Sienna but this is a nice looking and driving hybrid for those who prioritize the that over long term reliability and resale value.
Well they ruined it again with the captains chairs .. I want ventilated front seats but bench seating .. i guess no hybrid for me .. once again they come with their dumb trim levels
I don’t know who is buying all these Kia/Hyundai crap boxes…. I guess there is a market for this stuff, like Dodges I suppose. Disposable products
С наружи машина смотрится просто отстой !!!!From the outside the car looks like crap!!!!
Your face
@@xinqxing I'm just a handsome guy in the face 😂😂not flat-faced like some
@@xinqxing If you like the design of this car, then I can tell you that you are very much behind the times in automobile fashion....in short, you are stuck in the year 2000.....
I won’t watch this. Kia screwed over too many people for me to care.
But you come to comment anyway. And if giving thousands of engines away for free and extended the warranty on multiple vehicles for multiple reasons is screwing someone then I'll take a good screwing anytime.
@@stevenstewart1308 you feel better now?
@@clayton8465 do you feel better about making your comment? You say you don't care so you won't watch but still comment which shows that you do care. But you probably don't own a Kia or Hyundai and have never been "screwed over" by either brand but just jump on the hate bandwagon.
@@stevenstewart1308 all correct. My sister was screwed over by Kia.