I think it's important to remember going into this RWC that referees deserve a lot of respect. It is not an easy job at all and I can feel the game starting to edge the way of football. No one is perfect.
@@doosdoos6734 And here we see, the usual springbok fan. Rabid and passionate fans that drive high standards for a great Rugby team and would see every ref burned at the stake and replaced by Rassie Erasmus.
@@doosdoos6734he difference is you don't have to adhere to an entire lawbook with split second decisions and make/break your career on them. Rugby has more laws than any other sport, the laws change every year it seems, and the ref then has to interpret those laws at split-second decisions while professionals try to bend those laws where they can and fans/coaches bash them for not catching what cameras do. I'm sure your work barely has any decisions you have to make at split second that then have millions of people baying for your blood if it doesn't go their way and a host of CCTV cameras watching what you do. A verbal warning for you is probably that you forgot to submit your timesheet or email someone. It is chalk and cheese and you should give refs a break
Here here. The on-field ref's and the TMO's. Its a very hard job, they all do their best and yes sometimes they get it wrong. But be thankful that its Rugby that we are watching not other sports where there is so little integrity. Listen to Nigel. I would rather slash my wrists and slowly bleed to death than watch a game of soccer where you have overpaid, low IQ athletes feign injury, cheat at every opportunity and in general just cheat. The officials and their whole system supports cheating. I frankly would be embarrassed by their carryon. Thankfully Rugby has higher values and the people involved are so obviously more intelligent than those that try and play this sport called soccer.
Refereeing got so much better since I started watching rugby. 20 years ago there was a lot of "cowboys" being extremely condescending with the players to try and compensate their lack of authority or self confidence... I really like that referees and players got closer over the years, that they are able to joke with each other during a game. Having authority doesn't mean scaring everyone, if you are fair, competent and respectful then people are gonna respect your decisions in return. Players are starting to overreact and scream a litlle bit too much though to milk penalties right now, I wish those behaviours will get penalised before they start being out of control.
@@isaacstocking7746 20 years ago the game was waaay more unfair, people didn't get punished for punching or kicking other players in the face and tried that were not scored were allowed all the time. But of course it's easier to forget how it really was before and in 20 years you will say how much better it was in the 2020's...
Aah!!! Waited 11mins for Nigel's "Christopher!!" Master to pupil warning. Some good old stuff there too with Clive Norling! Superb work as usual, Andrew. And when are you going to tell us how the hell you do this??........
Sadly the culture among footballers means that refereeing like this probably wouldn't be effective. I love football more than rugby but there's no question the conduct of players and a lot of the culture in general is much worse.
@@gordon1545 Right, so the refs state what will happen and then enforce that should the players continue. That's the big difference- footballers are allowed to get away with a ludicrous amount. Rugby refs would say "I don't care about the crowd or pundits- yellow card for dissent. EVERY TIME". They either learn not to behave like that or they're getting sent off- simple as that.
This is the good stuff. Respect and be respected. I work as an American football referee down here in Brazil (amateur league of course), and its a tad difficult to pipe down the noise and unruliness because of the annoying soccer/football culture that is already pre-established. Thankfully, we have been able to slowly and steadily improve discipline from our players and coaching staff through lessons learned from Rugby referees, which to me are the gold standard. This video epitomizes those standards, on being fair, courteous, but firm when needed in such a difficult environment. Great video, thank you for that Andrew.
I played 10 years rugby. You respect the referee. And after the play you go drink a beer all together. I never see suporters fight eachother. But drink a beet together all the time.
Always used to love watching Clive Norling having words with player who used to beat the crap out of each other. Players and fans need to remember that without referees there would be no game.
Rugby is the English definition of keep calm and carry on compared to football’s dreadful complaining and moaning and diving, and I love the refs no bull attitude
Great to see so many clips that focus on respect, especially with all the negative stuff happening to refs the last few years (like the Wayne Barnes stuff).
It Wdym, it was NZ fans who sent the threats after they lost the World Cup final. Those guys are salty when they lose as you could see from Chiefs fans in 2023 after Crusaders beat them in the final. They gave Ben O’Keeffe the same treatment as Barnes. Although Ben is my least favourite ref, I couldn’t help but feel sorry for him.
Great pity Nigel O will be missing at this year’s RWC ~ he most certainly set a magnificent standard and showed unique insight of crucial, split second decisive moments…And, his sense of humour was / is brilliant Not sure who will fill that void, yet? 👊🔥
The RF World RU should make concerted effort to involve NO in the 2023 RWC do, and in setting Ref standards ongoingly Not sure anybody can éver emulate his magnificent touch, style, but ZA’s Jaco P does a great job, as a couple other, on the way there • Thing is ~ NO has a presence and grip, understanding of the Players and decisive moments, the joie of the Game, commands respect of ALL RF players…which is unique, will always be hard to meet At least, his influence should be more directly involved AND perhaps this recent times business of a flurry of cards yellow and red, he should help figure out It messes the Game up badly (flow and spirit (of balance) especially) and urgently needs a review… Anyway, point made NO should be playing a leading role in Ref grooming, Internationals’ command and control standards and interpretations, tweaking efforts The Global RF Game will most certainly benefit tremendously, as will both the spirit and spectacle value, sense of kameraderie and sportsmanship of RF as well…all over (point made now ~ i truly hope it gets taken where it matters most)
I think it was him who read the riot act to a couple of second rows in a Calcutta Cup match years ago. "I'll have you both off, see." Both towering over him and both saying "yes sir."
The greatest tools a referee has are his/her love for, knowledge of and respect for the game. I have refereed for 17 years now and it is the best seat in the stadium to watch a game - middle of the pitch, yellow shirt on and whistle in hand.
Great video! Can I jus say that my biggest pet peeve in rugby is commentators talking over conversations shared between players and referees? It's so bloody annoying!
Respect for the ref and for the game is paramount for rugby as a sport. Its high impact and potentially dangerous, we can't allow footballesque histrionics to pervade the game.
Imagine asking for injury time & when the ref asks what's the injury that the player replies head high tackle. C'mon mate! Also the ref telling the bloke to shut up & being sarcastic over his knowledge on refereeing is pure gold!
Only misstep from Barnes was not sending Billy off for the remainder, "final warning" and Billy carried on for another 5 or 6 seconds, an example should have been made of him
From a game management perspective, it's actually good. He gave time for his teammates to make the decision for him and come remove him - if he sends him off then and there, the team may feel aggrieved, but by giving the team time to respond, they make it "their" problem instead.
The sole reason I cannot watch football. The lack of respect takes my attention away from the game completely and just makes me absolutely furious. The way rugby referees handle big player egos make me proud.
This video - and several like it - should be shown to aspiring soccer refs and followed up with a discussion with the organizing bodies about how they must support their refs.
i can't help but wonder how michael hooper would've dealt with raynal's decision to penalize foley for that kick, but i kinda doubt hooper would've let foley fuck around for that long
@N3vill3 the forwards were screaming at Foley to kick the the ball out, just like I was at home. Should never have gone that far, and it's 100% on Foley.
Most of these are just clear, concise warnings to stop behaviour. Then they enforce that warning should a player continue to misbehave. That's the difference from football. "Simulation" is a yellow card- it's almost never enforced. Dissent is a yellow card- almost never enforced unless it's a visible act to the crowd and cameras. Managers going out of their box or screaming at refs, Feigning injury.... Never punished. To those who think it's hard to punish such a thing- no it isn't. Refs decision. Yes, it's a subjective deduction.... Refs decision. As it is it is NEVER punished, how would a subjective assessment pf whether a player is cheating worse than nothing? I think if football refs were empowered/ empowered themselves then there would be a lot less complaints about officiating and we could get it on the road to this standard.
Rugby refereeing is a fine line, and a difficult fine line as fine lines go to walk. There's so many nuances to the game, so many laws, so much action and it's often hard to even see what is happening and when. However I've noticed after a long time why I think Owens was such a cut above current referees - it's because he had all the time in the world for decision making. Modern referees seem too hasty to make calls where it's not immediately obvious - in no small part due to world rugby's obsession with speeding up the game. Referees do make wrong calls occasionally, they're only human, but it does seem like there's more blatantly wrong decisions these days. I recall Bristol's thumping of Northampton last season. Northampton scored one try but there was a possible forward pass in the build-up. On review the TMO can be heard clearly telling the referee that the ball has left the player's hands in a forward direction, and that the receiving player catches the ball well in-front of where the pass was thrown from. He plays the same angle over and over and repeats that it's basically a textbook forward pass. The referee then says it's not conclusive and awards the try. At that point in the game, Bristol were some 50 points up and Northampton were never coming out of it with anything substantial, so it seemed at the time anyway. Play had been stopped, the time was off, there was no rush. So why the total dissonance? The referee isn't sure if it's forwards so he asks the TMO, the TMO says it's clearly forwards, the referee then disregards this and just awards the try anyway? This is why fans are getting upset with refereeing these days. One official says one thing, another says another. I can only assume it's because the referee in that game at least was just trying to rush through the process. The other possibilities are that either he's a cheat or he's inept, neither of which seems like the obvious reason.
it would be interesting to see a referees penalty/sin bin ratio in a WC year as they are also up for selection! nic white getting schooled after the game pretty cool too! the only thing i hate is like montpelier vs exter game in champs cup a red card that get repealed! that shite needs to be different at WC level maybe an instant panel vote of neutrals?
I played American football and noone but the coach or one of the team captains was even allowed to say a word to one of the officials apart from checking if you were lined up legally.
i think the reynal answer during ruck gate will be the best referee display ever! he only enforces the rules and answered question about the rule! again italy could have done it against a wealker opposition to get a better chance of a win but pickedon england!
It was Poitre not Reynal. And his comment would have had more credibility if hadnt been in conversation with Italy during the week when they asked him how he would ref the tackle area. Shouldnt have gone into specifics with them, and then not explain to England.
Haskell asked the question because the ruck wasn’t being judged consistently. His question was basically “If you’re not going to do it properly then how are we supposed to play?”
@@stevenmcalister826 it was judged consistently within x meter it is just a tackle after it is a ruck! they guy even understood the answer to his confusion you noob!
If only football refs took the same stance against the mouthy delinquent premiership players, the game would be a lot cleaner. I love how honest and respectful everyone in rugby is, on and off the pitch, it instills great values in the youngsters who follow it
There's so much whining about referees creeping into the game from some fans of pretty much every nation over the past few years. Videos like this highlight the way things should be. Pretty much every clip the players acting with contrition and respect. Very little arguing. The way things should be. Obviously poor refereeing shiuld be highlighted but the pro game is so fast and complex nowadays it's a heck of a job.
god football could take some notes. having referees wired for sound and able to discipline players on the spot by allowing freekicks to be moved 10 meters in a direction of the kick takers choosing would immediately kill the petulant childish whinging that ruins many games...
I have said it before and I will say it again, soccer needs to learn from Rugby referees. Let any one of these guys referee a premier league match and two thirds of the players would be off in the first half, either for simulation or disrespect.
The ref awarded a scrum to the opposing team (New Zealand) for time wasting. According to him, he repeatedly warn the kicker (Bernard Foley) to play the ball. One of the most controversial call of the last years. Look for Australia-New Zealand rugby championship game to make up your mind! ;-)
Wayne Barnes forced to retire at 44 due to death threats? It's just a game. And there has to be rules or it's just 30 blokes in a punch-up. Good refs command respect and Wayne must be up there to do the RWC final. I feel like I'm pointing out the obvious. Love Wayne, love Nigel more, just sayin'.
As a fan of League and Union...how has the referee standards in quality and professionalism in Union stayed good but the quality in the NRL has nose dived?
I'd love to see some of those who have commented actually pick up a whistle and referee a game in reality instead of from behind a keyboard .... Shame as I'd say 90+% won't have the Balls to do it or come up with some abusive excuse
@2:50 was the opposite of good reffing. he was totally incorrect on multiple occassions, allowing Italy to compete over the ball and then retreat out of a formed ruck and then move offside. As Hask has repeatedly explained. The reason he was asking the question was when the ref met the players before the game his interpritation was completely different, and while the LAW is simple, if the ref is applying it differently to how the Law should be applied the only option the player has is to ask what the REF's interpritation is so that you can play too it. Italy's tactic was legitimate if it had been applied correctly, but because Poite made such a hash of doing so the Law was changed.
I think it's important to remember going into this RWC that referees deserve a lot of respect. It is not an easy job at all and I can feel the game starting to edge the way of football. No one is perfect.
@@doosdoos6734 And here we see, the usual springbok fan. Rabid and passionate fans that drive high standards for a great Rugby team and would see every ref burned at the stake and replaced by Rassie Erasmus.
@@doosdoos6734he difference is you don't have to adhere to an entire lawbook with split second decisions and make/break your career on them. Rugby has more laws than any other sport, the laws change every year it seems, and the ref then has to interpret those laws at split-second decisions while professionals try to bend those laws where they can and fans/coaches bash them for not catching what cameras do.
I'm sure your work barely has any decisions you have to make at split second that then have millions of people baying for your blood if it doesn't go their way and a host of CCTV cameras watching what you do. A verbal warning for you is probably that you forgot to submit your timesheet or email someone. It is chalk and cheese and you should give refs a break
Here here. The on-field ref's and the TMO's. Its a very hard job, they all do their best and yes sometimes they get it wrong. But be thankful that its Rugby that we are watching not other sports where there is so little integrity. Listen to Nigel. I would rather slash my wrists and slowly bleed to death than watch a game of soccer where you have overpaid, low IQ athletes feign injury, cheat at every opportunity and in general just cheat. The officials and their whole system supports cheating. I frankly would be embarrassed by their carryon. Thankfully Rugby has higher values and the people involved are so obviously more intelligent than those that try and play this sport called soccer.
Especially Karl Dickson... :-)
@@doosdoos6734 What do you work as? An English teacher?
0:56 That "come back to your values" line might be the best thing I've ever heard from a referee in any sport.
I was about to write the same thing. It gave me goosebumps.
It is actually "come back to THE values", in reference to the values of Rugby!
@BMPagano I know exactly what he meant but I've never heard a referee say it quite like that.
Loved listening to Jaco.
The art of Welsh Refereeing. 'Shut Up and come 'ere". I luv it lol.
That was a Kiwi ref tell him to shut up and come ere
Clive Norling, Brill
We can all agree that nobody would have had a problem with Nigel Owens reffing a Wales match. The man was pure integrity.
Nothing beats when he penalised a bad throw in the lineout and said "I'm straighter than that!"
It's sad that Wales never got to play under Nigel, and that Nigel never got to referee Wales at home. I agree, his integrity is beyond question.
He did! Wales vs Barbarians in 2019, in Cardiff
Refereeing got so much better since I started watching rugby. 20 years ago there was a lot of "cowboys" being extremely condescending with the players to try and compensate their lack of authority or self confidence...
I really like that referees and players got closer over the years, that they are able to joke with each other during a game.
Having authority doesn't mean scaring everyone, if you are fair, competent and respectful then people are gonna respect your decisions in return.
Players are starting to overreact and scream a litlle bit too much though to milk penalties right now, I wish those behaviours will get penalised before they start being out of control.
This is rugby.💪🤩
I agree, this is not soccer.
What you on about 20 years ago we didn't have the game dictated by how poorly the ref is
@@isaacstocking7746 20 years ago the game was waaay more unfair, people didn't get punished for punching or kicking other players in the face and tried that were not scored were allowed all the time. But of course it's easier to forget how it really was before and in 20 years you will say how much better it was in the 2020's...
Great video as always. Love Owens' management at 6:38. He has the psychology of the game down to a tee.
10:25: "this is not soccer!"....Legend😂
Aah!!! Waited 11mins for Nigel's "Christopher!!" Master to pupil warning. Some good old stuff there too with Clive Norling! Superb work as usual, Andrew. And when are you going to tell us how the hell you do this??........
Also beautiful the Christopher responds “sorry, sir” before walking away
Gotta love the respect commanded by rugby referees. The school of Nigel Owens is clear to see in those that followed him.
"We have examples to set for the game." That line should be on the inside of every locker room door, in large bold print.
As a local football ref, I've got so much respect for these guys and the way they operate. Top quality professionals
It's rugby not soccer.
@@edemoi3817did he say it was
@@paulinemockler3736
Yes. Rugby for ever.
Sadly the culture among footballers means that refereeing like this probably wouldn't be effective. I love football more than rugby but there's no question the conduct of players and a lot of the culture in general is much worse.
@@gordon1545 Right, so the refs state what will happen and then enforce that should the players continue. That's the big difference- footballers are allowed to get away with a ludicrous amount. Rugby refs would say "I don't care about the crowd or pundits- yellow card for dissent. EVERY TIME". They either learn not to behave like that or they're getting sent off- simple as that.
This is the good stuff. Respect and be respected. I work as an American football referee down here in Brazil (amateur league of course), and its a tad difficult to pipe down the noise and unruliness because of the annoying soccer/football culture that is already pre-established. Thankfully, we have been able to slowly and steadily improve discipline from our players and coaching staff through lessons learned from Rugby referees, which to me are the gold standard. This video epitomizes those standards, on being fair, courteous, but firm when needed in such a difficult environment. Great video, thank you for that Andrew.
Monsieur Raynal explaining the law and his decision to Nick White is a true gem!!
The rugby referee is always the boss on the pitch.
Der beste Ausspruch ist immer noch: "This is not soccer!"😂
Das beschreibt eigentlich alles, was das Schiedsrichter-Wesen im Rugby ausmacht.
Need to see more 10m walks. Under-utilised discipline method in my opinion
Totally agree
If the referee has to do it twice in a row for the same player it should be a yellow card.
It is not called soccer ……it is football, so I do not know what Owens is on about?!
Mathieu Raynal proper stuck to his guns. That man is integrity personified.
I played 10 years rugby. You respect the referee. And after the play you go drink a beer all together. I never see suporters fight eachother. But drink a beet together all the time.
Always used to love watching Clive Norling having words with player who used to beat the crap out of each other. Players and fans need to remember that without referees there would be no game.
Rugby is the English definition of keep calm and carry on compared to football’s dreadful complaining and moaning and diving, and I love the refs no bull attitude
"Christopher!!" .......................sorry Sir.......🤣🤣🤣
As an Italian, I'm still very proud of that first half with the English team. It was hilarious...
Thankfully they changed the rules immediately afterwards, after the Italians' attempts to stifle the game and turn it into a bore-fest.
@@Stu-Vino it was an attempt to win the game you dimwit.
It was such a simple tactic. It just left England stunned that an international team wouldn't want to ruck.
Great to see so many clips that focus on respect, especially with all the negative stuff happening to refs the last few years (like the Wayne Barnes stuff).
What is the Wayne Barnes stuff?
@@Evermix France beat SA, Rassie tweeted a load of shit about it being Barnes' fault, Barnes' family got abuse and death threats.
@@DavidAJones11 exactly that 👍 horrid stuff, and with Rassie Erasmus being involved too sadly.
@@DavidAJones11 That's very unlike Rassie
It Wdym, it was NZ fans who sent the threats after they lost the World Cup final. Those guys are salty when they lose as you could see from Chiefs fans in 2023 after Crusaders beat them in the final. They gave Ben O’Keeffe the same treatment as Barnes. Although Ben is my least favourite ref, I couldn’t help but feel sorry for him.
That was a good one again Mr Forde excellent !!
Clive Norling telling Paul Ackford what's what. Priceless.
"Listen... (long pause)... You're not the referee!" 9:02 😂😂
Great pity Nigel O will be missing at this year’s RWC ~ he most certainly set a magnificent standard and showed unique insight of crucial, split second decisive moments…And, his sense of humour was / is brilliant
Not sure who will fill that void, yet?
👊🔥
The RF World RU should make concerted effort to involve NO in the 2023 RWC do, and in setting Ref standards ongoingly
Not sure anybody can éver emulate his magnificent touch, style, but ZA’s Jaco P does a great job, as a couple other, on the way there
• Thing is ~ NO has a presence and grip, understanding of the Players and decisive moments, the joie of the Game, commands respect of ALL RF players…which is unique, will always be hard to meet
At least, his influence should be more directly involved
AND
perhaps this recent times business of a flurry of cards yellow and red, he should help figure out
It messes the Game up badly (flow and spirit (of balance) especially) and urgently needs a review…
Anyway, point made
NO should be playing a leading role in Ref grooming, Internationals’ command and control standards and interpretations, tweaking efforts
The Global RF Game will most certainly benefit tremendously, as will both the spirit and spectacle value, sense of kameraderie and sportsmanship of RF as well…all over
(point made now ~ i truly hope it gets taken where it matters most)
Wonderful to see - and hear - Clive Norling again.
I think it was him who read the riot act to a couple of second rows in a Calcutta Cup match years ago. "I'll have you both off, see."
Both towering over him and both saying "yes sir."
It's a hard job. Everyone thinks they can.....yet they cannot.
The tools given to rugby refs are great. It really allows them to keep discipline and keep respect.
The greatest tools a referee has are his/her love for, knowledge of and respect for the game. I have refereed for 17 years now and it is the best seat in the stadium to watch a game - middle of the pitch, yellow shirt on and whistle in hand.
"This is not soccer - are we clear?" LEGEND!!!
This is not Soccer! Greatest line ever!
Top drawer clips mate - some great referees in action!
Great video!
Can I jus say that my biggest pet peeve in rugby is commentators talking over conversations shared between players and referees? It's so bloody annoying!
Imagine a Rugby ref taking charge of a Premiership match…
There would be three players left on the pitch from each side after 90 minutes.
Respect for the ref and for the game is paramount for rugby as a sport. Its high impact and potentially dangerous, we can't allow footballesque histrionics to pervade the game.
They have the toughest job onfield and off field. Imagine the pressure to endure to maintain their composure.
Imagine asking for injury time & when the ref asks what's the injury that the player replies head high tackle. C'mon mate!
Also the ref telling the bloke to shut up & being sarcastic over his knowledge on refereeing is pure gold!
Love jaco, barnes and nika. They always run good games, looking forward to the wc
I think referees should join the post match press conference in all sports.
Nigel Owens is the most legendary of referees EVER!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Only misstep from Barnes was not sending Billy off for the remainder, "final warning" and Billy carried on for another 5 or 6 seconds, an example should have been made of him
From a game management perspective, it's actually good. He gave time for his teammates to make the decision for him and come remove him - if he sends him off then and there, the team may feel aggrieved, but by giving the team time to respond, they make it "their" problem instead.
@@aetd106I agree that it is the better option
@@aetd106great point!
I've always thought that if football referees sent off players for screaming at them up close it would stop in a week.
Best officials in all of sports. Every ball game could learn a lot from Rugby.
Ah, Christopher..?
The sole reason I cannot watch football. The lack of respect takes my attention away from the game completely and just makes me absolutely furious. The way rugby referees handle big player egos make me proud.
This video - and several like it - should be shown to aspiring soccer refs and followed up with a discussion with the organizing bodies about how they must support their refs.
i can't help but wonder how michael hooper would've dealt with raynal's decision to penalize foley for that kick, but i kinda doubt hooper would've let foley fuck around for that long
@N3vill3 the forwards were screaming at Foley to kick the the ball out, just like I was at home. Should never have gone that far, and it's 100% on Foley.
@@westdog54Weren't forwards in a stupid huddle oblivious to the fact the game was about to restart causing the whole fiasco?
@@Josh-lo6ws They were pointing to the touch line. Foley didn't think Reynal would have the balls to make the call.
A gentlemans sport.
Great restraint on Billy, he clearly wasn't up to going back to the halfway line.
Most of these are just clear, concise warnings to stop behaviour. Then they enforce that warning should a player continue to misbehave. That's the difference from football. "Simulation" is a yellow card- it's almost never enforced. Dissent is a yellow card- almost never enforced unless it's a visible act to the crowd and cameras. Managers going out of their box or screaming at refs, Feigning injury.... Never punished. To those who think it's hard to punish such a thing- no it isn't. Refs decision. Yes, it's a subjective deduction.... Refs decision. As it is it is NEVER punished, how would a subjective assessment pf whether a player is cheating worse than nothing?
I think if football refs were empowered/ empowered themselves then there would be a lot less complaints about officiating and we could get it on the road to this standard.
Love watching how refs are chastising guys 3 times the size of them, we need this in the premier league
Refereeing in other sports can learn a lot from how Rugby referees work with the players and especially how the TMO works.
It's crazy that haskell and Hartley, senior members of the England side at the time, had to ask that question?
Rugby refereeing is a fine line, and a difficult fine line as fine lines go to walk. There's so many nuances to the game, so many laws, so much action and it's often hard to even see what is happening and when. However I've noticed after a long time why I think Owens was such a cut above current referees - it's because he had all the time in the world for decision making. Modern referees seem too hasty to make calls where it's not immediately obvious - in no small part due to world rugby's obsession with speeding up the game.
Referees do make wrong calls occasionally, they're only human, but it does seem like there's more blatantly wrong decisions these days.
I recall Bristol's thumping of Northampton last season. Northampton scored one try but there was a possible forward pass in the build-up. On review the TMO can be heard clearly telling the referee that the ball has left the player's hands in a forward direction, and that the receiving player catches the ball well in-front of where the pass was thrown from. He plays the same angle over and over and repeats that it's basically a textbook forward pass. The referee then says it's not conclusive and awards the try.
At that point in the game, Bristol were some 50 points up and Northampton were never coming out of it with anything substantial, so it seemed at the time anyway. Play had been stopped, the time was off, there was no rush. So why the total dissonance? The referee isn't sure if it's forwards so he asks the TMO, the TMO says it's clearly forwards, the referee then disregards this and just awards the try anyway?
This is why fans are getting upset with refereeing these days. One official says one thing, another says another. I can only assume it's because the referee in that game at least was just trying to rush through the process. The other possibilities are that either he's a cheat or he's inept, neither of which seems like the obvious reason.
it would be interesting to see a referees penalty/sin bin ratio in a WC year as they are also up for selection! nic white getting schooled after the game pretty cool too! the only thing i hate is like montpelier vs exter game in champs cup a red card that get repealed! that shite needs to be different at WC level maybe an instant panel vote of neutrals?
I played American football and noone but the coach or one of the team captains was even allowed to say a word to one of the officials apart from checking if you were lined up legally.
11:41 As a Wallaby fan, Raynal was right. It was their fault they took to long to kick and bottled.
i think the reynal answer during ruck gate will be the best referee display ever! he only enforces the rules and answered question about the rule! again italy could have done it against a wealker opposition to get a better chance of a win but pickedon england!
It was Poitre not Reynal. And his comment would have had more credibility if hadnt been in conversation with Italy during the week when they asked him how he would ref the tackle area. Shouldnt have gone into specifics with them, and then not explain to England.
@@rodneylowe9526 but he answered the question of law when asked , the tactical question he is not obliged to answer
Haskell asked the question because the ruck wasn’t being judged consistently. His question was basically “If you’re not going to do it properly then how are we supposed to play?”
@@stevenmcalister826 it was judged consistently within x meter it is just a tackle after it is a ruck! they guy even understood the answer to his confusion you noob!
Really have to wonder if it's worth testing the referee's patience after you watch this
If only football refs took the same stance against the mouthy delinquent premiership players, the game would be a lot cleaner. I love how honest and respectful everyone in rugby is, on and off the pitch, it instills great values in the youngsters who follow it
To me, if it's a sending off the next time, it's gotta be 10 now.
Love when the players ask what the rule of the game they are playing is ^^
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There's so much whining about referees creeping into the game from some fans of pretty much every nation over the past few years. Videos like this highlight the way things should be. Pretty much every clip the players acting with contrition and respect. Very little arguing. The way things should be. Obviously poor refereeing shiuld be highlighted but the pro game is so fast and complex nowadays it's a heck of a job.
I miss Nigel Owens on the Field of play. We are lucky to have some great refs, but Nigel will slways be the best in my eyes
god football could take some notes. having referees wired for sound and able to discipline players on the spot by allowing freekicks to be moved 10 meters in a direction of the kick takers choosing would immediately kill the petulant childish whinging that ruins many games...
I have said it before and I will say it again, soccer needs to learn from Rugby referees. Let any one of these guys referee a premier league match and two thirds of the players would be off in the first half, either for simulation or disrespect.
Nice to see Clive Norling
What did the referee at 5:41 say lol?
"You’d better start shutting up good boy or you’re going off, British lion or not" .
Something like that.
11:12 ... Christopher!!!! ....
Rugby is a hooligans' game played by gentlemen... Soccer is a gentlemen's game played by hooligans.
Could someone explain the final scene? What is the contact for what the referee is saying to the captain?
The ref awarded a scrum to the opposing team (New Zealand) for time wasting. According to him, he repeatedly warn the kicker (Bernard Foley) to play the ball. One of the most controversial call of the last years. Look for Australia-New Zealand rugby championship game to make up your mind! ;-)
Nic White about to have a meltdown! Implying the Ref cost them the game. He listened and retreated. A real man,
I was a football referee,..When we give Yellow or Red card we don't stay too near ti football player and don't speak whin the football players
Anyone know what happened at 6:35?
Bath scrum half hit Brits with a pass while Brits was crouched down to milk a penalty. Think it was Fotuali'i.
@@Caledon1893 Appreciate it.
Scrum-half passed it on to him while he was lying on the floor because he was offside. Britz got very mad about it.
You've got to love Clive Norling.
Wayne Barnes forced to retire at 44 due to death threats? It's just a game. And there has to be rules or it's just 30 blokes in a punch-up. Good refs command respect and Wayne must be up there to do the RWC final. I feel like I'm pointing out the obvious. Love Wayne, love Nigel more, just sayin'.
Terrible that such behavior has arisen in rugby circles.
How these Professionals refs could show our Football refs a thing or I don’t know how many things
The Gentlemans game
0:07 love Ben White instant message don't fuck with me
Christopher! 😂😂😂
Sir Ego parisse as always thinking he's better than everyone.
He kinda is in some way : he was selectionned by WR as n°8 in the 2010s XV without having any success with his national team.
This is why Rugby is such a great game to watch. Shame soccer referees don’t have the same control over the games they referee.
No floodlights @9.00.
Football refs should have to attend whatever training these guys get because the standard of officiating between Rugby and Football is embaressing
You come and ask for a yellow card and you’ll get one 😂😂😂
Knowing the rules. Hartley
As a fan of League and Union...how has the referee standards in quality and professionalism in Union stayed good but the quality in the NRL has nose dived?
@3:11 big guy brain moments 😂😂😂!
Eddy Jones still doesn't understand it (vs Italy).
British Lion or not🤣🤣🤣
I'd love to see some of those who have commented actually pick up a whistle and referee a game in reality instead of from behind a keyboard .... Shame as I'd say 90+% won't have the Balls to do it or come up with some abusive excuse
Christopher!😂
Who is the Welsh ref with the moustache, top ref
Clive Norling
If only this would be the refereeing in football...
Gee I wonder why sarries are so disliked 🤔😂
@2:50 was the opposite of good reffing.
he was totally incorrect on multiple occassions, allowing Italy to compete over the ball and then retreat out of a formed ruck and then move offside. As Hask has repeatedly explained. The reason he was asking the question was when the ref met the players before the game his interpritation was completely different, and while the LAW is simple, if the ref is applying it differently to how the Law should be applied the only option the player has is to ask what the REF's interpritation is so that you can play too it.
Italy's tactic was legitimate if it had been applied correctly, but because Poite made such a hash of doing so the Law was changed.
Rugby référées get more respect than cops… let that sink in.
Refs carrying on like Headmasters....unprofessional.
Football NEEDS to have refs allowed to walk mark a few meters everytime a free kick is assigned and players keep bitching about it.
Lee Frank Martinez Brian Lopez Gary
Billy Vunipola is such a muppet. Good player but also detrimental to his team.