Thanks for this and the Duplieren video. Our group used these two to learn what our book just couldn't communicate to us. You guys have a good format, and your pacing and level of depth is spot on for introducing a new move. We're doing your krumphau counters next. Keep up the good work -- it's appreciated!
You're welcome! And thank you. The fact that you are finding it useful means a lot to me. I know how hard it can be to learn from a book. We'll keep them coming.
So I've been having some issues with pulling off a mutieren. Unfortunately me and my training partner only have synthetics. After watching a video that Roland Warzecha did about how much sharp swords actually bite into each other and reading what Guy Windsor had to say about how a lot of techniques only work with sharps we decided to invest $2.50 in friction tape like some people have been doing and wow. It made a world of difference when we bound edge on edge. I managed to take control of the bind and deliver multiple mutierens during our sparring session today. I haven't really had much chance to work with blunts. Do how are they with the sliding around in an edge on edge bind?
we tried this the other day and ran into an issue we couldn't figure out the reason for. the one performing the mutieren constantly had his fingers "sliced" by the other persons sword. we are using syntetichs, not feders, but I don't see how that could matter in this particular case. has this ever been an issue for you, and if so, how did you fix it?
Christoffer Skuthälla yes, we've had that happen too. For us the technique only works well at full speed with realistic force. Doing it slowly allows the other sword to slide with pressure instead of remaining bound. You may also want to look at the angle you hold your sword in the duplieren. Keep an edge against his sword and your cross should be where it needs to be. Hope that helps.
Good question. We also work with swords without schilts. If I position my hands properly, I can keep them from being struck when entering into the bind. They may, however, take an incidental slice as I do an action in the bind like Mutieren. This is exaggerated when we wear gloves. For the most part, I don't see a huge difference in the effectiveness or performance of techniques when using/not using a schilt. Thanks for asking!
As I see it, mutieren is winding into ox and thrusting Low. One thought on when to thrust high or low: it may depend on the opponent's hands. If his hands are low, you wind up into ox and thrust into face. If his hands are high, however, I wind into ox to gain his weak, then press his sword downward with my thrust rather than trying to reach higher than him. This technique seems especially useful for our shorter students. Another point with the mutieren is that thrusting low keeps his sword trapped in the bind, which is a disadvantageous one for him.
I'm curious: how is Dobringer's Mutieren is different than from the Goliath's version of Mutieren? Thanks for your time! th-cam.com/video/47N6jSdBHTI/w-d-xo.html
You guys just rock. No two ways about it. Thanks for a fantastic lesson.
BladeFit Academy thanks!
Guys, thank you very much for these lessons. This is finally a helpful tutorial, not just some film-like unrealistic combinations.
Thanks for this and the Duplieren video. Our group used these two to learn what our book just couldn't communicate to us.
You guys have a good format, and your pacing and level of depth is spot on for introducing a new move. We're doing your krumphau counters next. Keep up the good work -- it's appreciated!
You're welcome! And thank you. The fact that you are finding it useful means a lot to me. I know how hard it can be to learn from a book. We'll keep them coming.
So I've been having some issues with pulling off a mutieren. Unfortunately me and my training partner only have synthetics. After watching a video that Roland Warzecha did about how much sharp swords actually bite into each other and reading what Guy Windsor had to say about how a lot of techniques only work with sharps we decided to invest $2.50 in friction tape like some people have been doing and wow. It made a world of difference when we bound edge on edge. I managed to take control of the bind and deliver multiple mutierens during our sparring session today. I haven't really had much chance to work with blunts. Do how are they with the sliding around in an edge on edge bind?
Will nonya They still slide, but not as much as synthetics. Friction tape is a great idea; I'll have to try it out too. Thanks!
hockey tape works well, cheap and many colours too (
we tried this the other day and ran into an issue we couldn't figure out the reason for. the one performing the mutieren constantly had his fingers "sliced" by the other persons sword. we are using syntetichs, not feders, but I don't see how that could matter in this particular case.
has this ever been an issue for you, and if so, how did you fix it?
Christoffer Skuthälla yes, we've had that happen too. For us the technique only works well at full speed with realistic force. Doing it slowly allows the other sword to slide with pressure instead of remaining bound. You may also want to look at the angle you hold your sword in the duplieren. Keep an edge against his sword and your cross should be where it needs to be. Hope that helps.
indeed it does, thanks you!
you seem to use the schilt to catch his blade early, how well would you be able to avoid getting your knuckles hit with like, a blunt.
Good question. We also work with swords without schilts. If I position my hands properly, I can keep them from being struck when entering into the bind. They may, however, take an incidental slice as I do an action in the bind like Mutieren. This is exaggerated when we wear gloves. For the most part, I don't see a huge difference in the effectiveness or performance of techniques when using/not using a schilt. Thanks for asking!
So how would a mutieren differ from winding into ox and thrusting high? Or rather when would you wind high rather than mutieren?
As I see it, mutieren is winding into ox and thrusting Low. One thought on when to thrust high or low: it may depend on the opponent's hands. If his hands are low, you wind up into ox and thrust into face. If his hands are high, however, I wind into ox to gain his weak, then press his sword downward with my thrust rather than trying to reach higher than him. This technique seems especially useful for our shorter students. Another point with the mutieren is that thrusting low keeps his sword trapped in the bind, which is a disadvantageous one for him.
I'm curious: how is Dobringer's Mutieren is different than from the Goliath's version of Mutieren? Thanks for your time!
th-cam.com/video/47N6jSdBHTI/w-d-xo.html
Neo Henry They are both based out of the same Liechtenauer source material, so really the same thing. Döbringer just doesn't go into much detail.
I find it very strange of how the opponent's weapon is manipulated like there's no tomorrow in the Goliath compare to Döbringer.
That difference probably has more to do with the interpretational videos than the actual manuscripts.
Got ya. Thanks for informing! Hope you guys are doing well so far after your first event, Study in Steel"!