Excellent show.........I thought the 2006 VZ SS fitted with the 6.0 litre gen4 should have rated a mention. Only produced between January 06 and mid 06 before the VE released. Superior engine to drive than the gen 3 and very few sold.... I stand to be corrected but believe only 28 executives with this engine and similar numbers in Berlina and Calais. SS models were somewhere in the 600 produced range with only 150 in manual. Considering the low production numbers and desirability of the 6.0 litre I think this model will be a future desirable / collectable model for this reason. It’s already getting hard to find an unmolested example and the prices are holding up against the 5.7 versions.
I owned a 6L Statesman International, really wish I'd kept it instead of selling it. Head gasket went and when I got a list of recommended of all the other repairs that it needed which was almost 3 pages long, I ended up selling it for $4,000 back in 2018. Oh, if I could turn back time 😅😅
Great to see the Adventra get some love in amongst this excellent video. Completely correct in that they were an amazingly good car and wonderfully versatile, but woefully marketed by a team that really didn't know how to push the strengths of the All-paw wagons
@@lucastopham4234 Not really. It was a better vehicle in everything it set out to do, except look like a 4x4. The Territory's commercial success has been attributed to the fact that it was tall and looked bulky, but came as a cheap 2WD only model, whereas the Adventra looked more like the Commodore wagon, but came only as the AWD model. The Territory is more like a reliable Captiva, whereas the Adventra is a more capable soft off-roader
@@jimpraxis3878 territory would easily be better off road than a adventura there a ligit SUV with AWD and that's not to say the adventura is a bad car infact I would not mind a lx8 one myself I just think the territory out did it in most ways and that's why we saw territory to the end but adventura only lasted 3-4 they even out did them performance wise with the turbo territory
Excellent Episode Gents. I have owned 2 VZs. An SV6 5spd auto and the final 6ltr SS manual. I am with Shannons because of the SS! The issue with the alloytec (which wasn't covered) was with long-term reliability which continued on through until at least 2010 with VE. The issues included timing chain stretch -- which is a AUD$3000+ replacement and typically occurred outside of warranty. They had a knack for ignition coils (coil on plug design) dying unexpectedly. When I bought my VZ SV6 I started wishing I bought the Ecotec VY instead, as the old pushrod motor that journos loved to criticise, was far more reliable. In the end I traded up and got the SS. The best car I have ever owned and the more reliable.
I have an vz alloytec, high km but regular 5k servicing with mobil 1 5w30. No chain rattle and valve covers have been off and hardly any varnish. Timing cover leaks a bit tho so I check oil level regularly. LE0 motor. Chains were definitely an issue in VE tho.
@@cumminsfj4586vz alloy tec wagon, ecu retuned with hp tuners soft ware, fitted a throttle body controller, freer flowing exhaust k&n filter, timing chain done at 280k, regular services, new suspension bushes & shocks, after I did the ecu tune the car made 210 kw at the flywheel and is a totally different car. With throttle controller set to level 10, traction is an issue ! In the family fleet, ( cars I service mechanic for ) We have a tv v6 series2, vy V6, vy v8 ( currently engine out for a fresh ion up/ power up) and a vf 3ltr 6speed auto that just hit 200k and now requires trans valve body service. As for reliability , the Vt, vy v6 and now the vy ls1 all with around 250k klm travel have had blown head gaskets, ls1 is currently under repair , all the rubber seals in the ls1 where hard squashed and leaking in clouding the intake manifold, yet that car has has an easy life, the two Buick v6 are just family runabouts, after head gaskets both run like a dream. As for the vz, timing chains at 280k, and worn suspension bushes ( replaced). This car has had a bit of a hard life, done lots of towing, yet oil pressure is as per factor spec as is cylinder compression, recent gear box service and valve body clean, using HP tuners I was able to retune ecu, free up some more power to suit the new exhaust and freeway driving get 8.5 litres per 100 klm, around town 10-11. The 3 ltr 6 speed auto vf, at 204k klms now having gear box issues, now requiring a valve body service and clean. Other than timing chains , it now 298k. Still going strong, with the retune and throttle controller, it’s a rocket!
I have a VY series 1 , phantom black , 5.7 litre Calais , the car has leather interior and I am keeping the car original apart from the stereo I ripped that out and sold the pile of junk and put in a decent 2 din player , I just have to say the LSD diff I have , the traction control the independent suspension and the nice tight shape that feels like it’s a small car well I find the car outstanding and a pleasure to drive
I brought the 2006 VZ SS in a manual 6 LTR motor colours were red,black,white,blue,silver only produced in auto and then released in a manual nearing end of production originally they were saving the 6 LTR for the new VE but decided to fit it to the VZ just to clear them out I paid $44000 Drive Away saving $9000 two weeks later they were advertised for $40990 Drive Away they had to clear them for the arrival of the all new VE
As a engine reconditioner, engine tuner, Holden hobbled the quad cam alloy tec v6, not to mention a bad pcv system that clogged up, caused the engine to sludge up, this led to timing chain issues. A lot of the performance issue is due to Holden programming the ecu and the electronic throttle. Holden used this electronic throttle to hobble the car. Fit an after market throttle controller set it to level 10, you want be complaining about poor performance, as you will struggle for grip and may get some speeding tickets. As for the pcv valve , it’s an easy fix just requiring drilling larger holes in the pcv valve. Using hp tuners to re tune the ecu, my car is now a very different car to what once was. I am very happy with it, we have a Vt series 2, a vy v6 series 2, vy v8 cal, we had a ve ( lots of electrical issues). Lastly we have a 3ltr vf series 2, I can tell you other than the vy v8 the vz retuned with throttle controller, leaves the 3 litre 6 speed vf and the two Buick v6’s in its wake. And retuned it deliver 8.5 ltrs per 100 klm on the freeway. Timing chains lasted to 280k, new chains fitted, oil pressure and compression is still in spec, the car now has 298k , new bush and shocks and regular services, it drive almost as good as the 2017 vf. Again I am happy with my allotted vz v6 wagon.
Cries in VZ, That was harsh, My Old Alloytec VZ really has been a good daily.I think I might start saving for the V8 Version I have enjoyed it so much.
i love my VZ with the body kit i put on looks so aggressive and the thing is a work horse just keeps kicking i love the like to dislike ratio on this vid too nice to see so many positive people
I've owned my VZ SV6 since new in 05 and never had any drama with the motor; or anything else for that matter. Love the 5 speed with the paddle shifts...was this model the only Commo V6 with this feature?
I love my VZ V6 Calais. I agree with the exhaust though; it sounds the same as my grandfathers VY S Pack but the power is definitely much better in the Alloytec. Plus that 5 Speed Auto is gem, most of the time.
The problem was most alloytecs were the low feature/low power version mated to the old 4 speed auto. Pointless having a high revving engine matched to that transmission. The alloytec was a US designed engine. Used in a huge number of US models. The highest powered version used in the Camaro.
Great show that talks sense. The VY is a great car with the Ecotec V6 & my VY Maloo R8 was a weapon & the VZ is even better,especially in the Lumina Wagon configuration. Some don't like the Alloytec V6 quad cam, probably because of the timing chain setup, but if the right oil is used,upwards of 250,000 kms. can be achieved. Like others here, I think Holden went backwards after the VZ.
I had a VY series 2 equipe which covered 341,000 km on it when I traded it on a 2010 Subaru Forester. It was the best of the 3 commodores that I owned. It was still all original drivetrain when I sold it. The 3.8 motor is far better than the alloytech that succeed it. The alloytech is the main reason why I no longer drive Commodores
@@luked7841 I had a VH for my first cat fitted with a 202 4 speed gearbox and a VR series 1 Berlina which always seemed need extra things replaced at every service it had 264,000 on it when I traded it on the VY.
Got an vz v6 much smoother and powerful than the ecotec which was a great engine in my last model. Been very reliable with no timing chain issues after nearly 140 000kms and only needed a new water pump, alternator and starter motor
There was one fact that was not true by saying the vy was the first model to offer a low budget v8 option. This is far from true as the commodore executive was offered with a v8 option untill the vy so the vx was the last model with the v8 option executive. How do i know i have one with the 6 speed manual and this old girl to this day just laughs at the vy and vz hsv models down the quarter mile always made me smile when id reel them in through the big end
give the v6 cars credit to. theyre just as good as the v8s. and someone needs to write Chris borobon a new script. the guy says the same shit everytime hes on. Nods Smiles Agrees and then waffels bullshit.Great show otherwise. keep it coming.
Excellent show.........I thought the 2006 VZ SS fitted with the 6.0 litre gen4 should have rated a mention. Only produced between January 06 and mid 06 before the VE released.
Superior engine to drive than the gen 3 and very few sold.... I stand to be corrected but believe only 28 executives with this engine and similar numbers in Berlina and Calais. SS models were somewhere in the 600 produced range with only 150 in manual.
Considering the low production numbers and desirability of the 6.0 litre I think this model will be a future desirable / collectable model for this reason.
It’s already getting hard to find an unmolested example and the prices are holding up against the 5.7 versions.
I had a vz thunder 6.0 6speed Ute loved it but sadly traded it in!!
We have a vz Thunder wife drag races it
I owned a 6L Statesman International, really wish I'd kept it instead of selling it. Head gasket went and when I got a list of recommended of all the other repairs that it needed which was almost 3 pages long, I ended up selling it for $4,000 back in 2018. Oh, if I could turn back time 😅😅
Great to see the Adventra get some love in amongst this excellent video. Completely correct in that they were an amazingly good car and wonderfully versatile, but woefully marketed by a team that really didn't know how to push the strengths of the All-paw wagons
It cause the territory proved as a way better car
@@lucastopham4234 Not really. It was a better vehicle in everything it set out to do, except look like a 4x4. The Territory's commercial success has been attributed to the fact that it was tall and looked bulky, but came as a cheap 2WD only model, whereas the Adventra looked more like the Commodore wagon, but came only as the AWD model. The Territory is more like a reliable Captiva, whereas the Adventra is a more capable soft off-roader
@@jimpraxis3878 territory would easily be better off road than a adventura there a ligit SUV with AWD and that's not to say the adventura is a bad car infact I would not mind a lx8 one myself I just think the territory out did it in most ways and that's why we saw territory to the end but adventura only lasted 3-4 they even out did them performance wise with the turbo territory
I owned a 05 VZ SSZ, great car wish i never sold it. Great story on the VY & VZ👍
Excellent Episode Gents. I have owned 2 VZs. An SV6 5spd auto and the final 6ltr SS manual. I am with Shannons because of the SS!
The issue with the alloytec (which wasn't covered) was with long-term reliability which continued on through until at least 2010 with VE. The issues included timing chain stretch -- which is a AUD$3000+ replacement and typically occurred outside of warranty. They had a knack for ignition coils (coil on plug design) dying unexpectedly. When I bought my VZ SV6 I started wishing I bought the Ecotec VY instead, as the old pushrod motor that journos loved to criticise, was far more reliable. In the end I traded up and got the SS. The best car I have ever owned and the more reliable.
I have an vz alloytec, high km but regular 5k servicing with mobil 1 5w30. No chain rattle and valve covers have been off and hardly any varnish. Timing cover leaks a bit tho so I check oil level regularly. LE0 motor. Chains were definitely an issue in VE tho.
@@cumminsfj4586how many kms,
@@cumminsfj4586vz alloy tec wagon, ecu retuned with hp tuners soft ware, fitted a throttle body controller, freer flowing exhaust k&n filter, timing chain done at 280k, regular services, new suspension bushes & shocks, after I did the ecu tune the car made 210 kw at the flywheel and is a totally different car. With throttle controller set to level 10, traction is an issue ! In the family fleet, ( cars I service mechanic for )
We have a tv v6 series2, vy V6, vy v8 ( currently engine out for a fresh ion up/ power up) and a vf 3ltr 6speed auto that just hit 200k and now requires trans valve body service.
As for reliability , the Vt, vy v6 and now the vy ls1 all with around 250k klm travel have had blown head gaskets, ls1 is currently under repair , all the rubber seals in the ls1 where hard squashed and leaking in clouding the intake manifold, yet that car has has an easy life, the two Buick v6 are just family runabouts, after head gaskets both run like a dream.
As for the vz, timing chains at 280k, and worn suspension bushes ( replaced). This car has had a bit of a hard life, done lots of towing, yet oil pressure is as per factor spec as is cylinder compression, recent gear box service and valve body clean, using HP tuners I was able to retune ecu, free up some more power to suit the new exhaust and freeway driving get 8.5 litres per 100 klm, around town 10-11.
The 3 ltr 6 speed auto vf, at 204k klms now having gear box issues, now requiring a valve body service and clean.
Other than timing chains , it now 298k. Still going strong, with the retune and throttle controller, it’s a rocket!
I have a VY series 1 , phantom black , 5.7 litre Calais , the car has leather interior and I am keeping the car original apart from the stereo I ripped that out and sold the pile of junk and put in a decent 2 din player , I just have to say the LSD diff I have , the traction control the independent suspension and the nice tight shape that feels like it’s a small car well I find the car outstanding and a pleasure to drive
I brought the 2006 VZ SS in a manual 6 LTR motor colours were red,black,white,blue,silver only produced in auto and then released in a manual nearing end of production originally they were saving the 6 LTR for the new VE but decided to fit it to the VZ just to clear them out I paid $44000 Drive Away saving $9000 two weeks later they were advertised for $40990 Drive Away they had to clear them for the arrival of the all new VE
As a engine reconditioner, engine tuner, Holden hobbled the quad cam alloy tec v6, not to mention a bad pcv system that clogged up, caused the engine to sludge up, this led to timing chain issues. A lot of the performance issue is due to Holden programming the ecu and the electronic throttle. Holden used this electronic throttle to hobble the car. Fit an after market throttle controller set it to level 10, you want be complaining about poor performance, as you will struggle for grip and may get some speeding tickets.
As for the pcv valve , it’s an easy fix just requiring drilling larger holes in the pcv valve.
Using hp tuners to re tune the ecu, my car is now a very different car to what once was. I am very happy with it, we have a Vt series 2, a vy v6 series 2, vy v8 cal, we had a ve ( lots of electrical issues). Lastly we have a 3ltr vf series 2, I can tell you other than the vy v8 the vz retuned with throttle controller, leaves the 3 litre 6 speed vf and the two Buick v6’s in its wake. And retuned it deliver 8.5 ltrs per 100 klm on the freeway. Timing chains lasted to 280k, new chains fitted, oil pressure and compression is still in spec, the car now has 298k , new bush and shocks and regular services, it drive almost as good as the 2017 vf. Again I am happy with my allotted vz v6 wagon.
great work you blokes , loved it
Cries in VZ, That was harsh, My Old Alloytec VZ really has been a good daily.I think I might start saving for the V8 Version I have enjoyed it so much.
i love my VZ with the body kit i put on looks so aggressive and the thing is a work horse just keeps kicking i love the like to dislike ratio on this vid too nice to see so many positive people
I really want to import a vy or vz ute SS to Canada. Hopefully next year.
I've owned my VZ SV6 since new in 05 and never had any drama with the motor; or anything else for that matter. Love the 5 speed with the paddle shifts...was this model the only Commo V6 with this feature?
I love my VZ V6 Calais. I agree with the exhaust though; it sounds the same as my grandfathers VY S Pack but the power is definitely much better in the Alloytec. Plus that 5 Speed Auto is gem, most of the time.
Vexon V6 rattle tec
Me too! 2005 model. I cut off the exhaust to make it sound louder
I have a 06 VZ alloytech ex unmarked police car. Lsd, FE2 174000km Never had timing chain issues. Drives like a dream.
Had a VZ, not only was it similar in performance to my old 3800 VT, but you had to rev it harder, plus the fuel economy was a step backwards..
The problem was most alloytecs were the low feature/low power version mated to the old 4 speed auto. Pointless having a high revving engine matched to that transmission.
The alloytec was a US designed engine. Used in a huge number of US models. The highest powered version used in the Camaro.
Great show that talks sense. The VY is a great car with the Ecotec V6 & my VY Maloo R8 was a weapon & the VZ is even better,especially in the Lumina Wagon configuration. Some don't like the Alloytec V6 quad cam, probably because of the timing chain setup, but if the right oil is used,upwards of 250,000 kms. can be achieved. Like others here, I think Holden went backwards after the VZ.
I own a 2004 vz sv8 6 speed, under 150k KMs, a joy to own and drive.
I have a vz clubsport r8 an love it looks mean very quick what else can I say it's a special car love HSV
Modern classics.
I had a VY series 2 equipe which covered 341,000 km on it when I traded it on a 2010 Subaru Forester. It was the best of the 3 commodores that I owned. It was still all original drivetrain when I sold it. The 3.8 motor is far better than the alloytech that succeed it. The alloytech is the main reason why I no longer drive Commodores
Andrew Russ what other commodores did you have
@@luked7841 I had a VH for my first cat fitted with a 202 4 speed gearbox and a VR series 1 Berlina which always seemed need extra things replaced at every service it had 264,000 on it when I traded it on the VY.
Andrew Russ nice. id like to get a commodore when im old enough, but im worried that all the good ones will be too expensive
Got an vz v6 much smoother and powerful than the ecotec which was a great engine in my last model. Been very reliable with no timing chain issues after nearly 140 000kms and only needed a new water pump, alternator and starter motor
The SIDI V6 is much better than the previous Alloytec. More reliable, smoother, punchier and the 6sp was good too.
You guys didn't mention the crewmen 😢
Had a 297 VZ , that thing could haul, outclassed on thigh roads though, showed it taxi heritage
What a great model especially in the v8 and hsv range the vy and vz’s were
There was one fact that was not true by saying the vy was the first model to offer a low budget v8 option. This is far from true as the commodore executive was offered with a v8 option untill the vy so the vx was the last model with the v8 option executive. How do i know i have one with the 6 speed manual and this old girl to this day just laughs at the vy and vz hsv models down the quarter mile always made me smile when id reel them in through the big end
I preferred the 4.0 litre barra engine in the falcon,over the v6 in the vy and vz alloytech engine.
Ive just picked up an 04 VY R8 in Red hot 🔥🔥🔥🔥
So is it just that the Alloytec was to quiet that you don’t like it?
I Hope these cars are Sought after in years to come like the HQ - HZ are.
Ford Needed to do BA Xr8 and Ghia wagons
Unfortunately the live axle on leaf spring rear end wouldve compromised them
Good video guys 👍🏻
what's the average value of vy ss sedan or ute in the market today?
30-35k
@@manatheg HHAHAHA
Nice cars I like
John Wright is what happens when you accidentally use decking oil instead of tanning cream.
what's the value of vy-vz SS in the market atm
not sure on the ss's , but i just looked at prices of hsv's and they are definetly up.
@@bigfairy321 surely they'll go up too
give the v6 cars credit to. theyre just as good as the v8s. and someone needs to write Chris borobon a new script. the guy says the same shit everytime hes on. Nods Smiles Agrees and then waffels bullshit.Great show otherwise. keep it coming.
BA-BF were much better cars
@@holdenvtseries2274 they really were a more up to date design tho, the commodore shape was getting old and was understyled
Wasn’t as good as the b series Fords tho
Lost me after the A9X
3.6 POS 3.6 POS Kinda like SOS but not. Stick with the 3.8 people. you cant go wrong. Shameful Holden.
ECOTEC > ALLOYTEC
You guys are so Holden biased it's not funny
Just face it. The B Series was a much superior car
It was far superior the ba bf was an extensive facelift meanwhile Holden just said look different buy buy now
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