Peavey Ditch USA Made Amps All Together! - INTHEBLUES Tone Podcast
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- Peavey have moved all their amplifier production to China from what I've seen looking at the new Classic 30, Classic 20 head, Peavey Delta Blues and 5150 amplifiers. Many of Peavey amps have been made in China for years but this is a new thing for the majority of their tube amplifiers.
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I still have a Peavey Classic 2-12 from the late 70's. Older version with aluminum side bars on the face. This was my first tube amp. I don't carry it to gigs any longer. Sits in my collection. I enjoy playing thru the amp in my studio. Lots of history and great sound.
R.I.P. Peavey Classic..You had a good run. The almighty dollar takes another victim.
Not surprising that they went to China but I won't be buying one if they don't lower the price. I'm not paying made in the USA price for a Chinese made amp.
Peavey still has 300 jobs. They announced that they were only keeping 300 US jobs. Some Peavey cables at the guitar stores have the American flag and are stamped made in USA.
Ignorant wretch
They moved production over to China a couple years ago, wished it was still made in USA. They moved production, but the price stayed the same which sucks
I wish Peavey could still be made in America.
My Delta Blues Peavey is made in the USA (circa 2015) and has a detachable power cord and a standby switch so the detachable cord criteria for "Chinese made" may not be absolute. I also have an older US made Peavey Classic 30 that sounds great and distinctive from the Fender tube sound. Peavey's classic series has always been a great product line.
I've got one of the first classic 30ties. It's more than 30 years old and it sounds great. Not as a Fender, but like a Classic 30 ;-) Everyone who has a such an amp told me, that the first generation sounds completely different and best. Better than the thirties they built after millenium. I don't know, but I like this amp for all styles of music.
Peavey abandoned us. I will return the favor.
Very well put.
Peavey turned Commie ... No. Way will I buy any of your junk.
The classic 20 would make a great combo amp
Since 2016 the peavey classic 30 is a completely new amp... now you have a STANDBY, a new SPEAKER and NEW PCB (the old ones with no standby had a 3 part pcb with so much issues with the jumpers breaking all the time) !!! For me this is a much better amp than it was, and probably much more reliable !
I have to say the coolest thing about this video is the James Brown at the Bell Auditorium poster in the background. I have several friends here in Augusta that played or sang with Mr. Brown for decades and I go to the Bell Auditorium each year for his birthday celebration.
There are a ton of used Made In the USA amps out there in music store, pawn shops and on Craigslist. There are certainly alternatives to buying a new Chinese made amp.
I have a brand new Classic 30 and it has a Celestian Mid Night Moon.
Had it for three months and have not engaged the OD stage. This thing rocks. Beck I left it on overnight on pourpose ...still rocks.
Bought replacement tubes, Sovtek and EH ...still in the box
This is a mass production boutique amp that forbthe money gets it done.
The clean stage stage is luscious
Tempted to buy one, need to test them out.
My classic 30 has been going strong for over ten years. One of the jumper wires between boards went but I fixed it and it's been going strong ever since. I've put an 8 ohm speaker in it and I run the treble and mids on full. If the eq is lower down you get more breakup, it stays cleaner if you crank the eq.
Holy crap I've been watching your videos for what I feel like has been over a year and I just realized I never subscribed. 70k +1 !!!
One of the reasons, I appreciated Peavey, is that they still made amps in the States. Now they've chosen profits, over long term, faithful employees. Just like the other 'iconic' American brands. Someone in a previous comment, mentioned the 'Undercover Boss' episode with Peavey featured. After seeing that, I lost my interest in supporting Peavey, by never buying anything new from them. But, I must admit, I never have.
I have a Classic 30 and a teal stripe Bandit, both made in the early '90's and USA, still working great. Paid $140 CDN used for the classic in '99 and $110 CDN for the bandit 3 months ago. Only when one of the Chinese amps is at least a decade old, will we see if the quality and manufacturing is on par with the original. Tho' it won't be me; I'll still be rocking my old ones. Hope you guys fare well with the 'new stuff'. Cheers fron Mike in Fernwood
After seeing what they were doing, first it's amazing they made it as long as they have. What I saw was people who really didn't have a grasp of manufacturing. There was no efficiency any place. Just not fair to blame the high cost of manufacturing on the US. The high cost was in their stupidity.
It's really sad that a great company isn't going to make there stuff in the U.S.A.
Agree!
It is the downfall of the world sending manufacturing to China. Cheap crap landfill just to make more money. To quote a great band "One Too Many Is Never Enough"
I'm really surprised by all the hate for Chinese made items. I have a mix of both made in Chine and Made in USA and can't say one is better than the other. I have a Classic 20 Head on the way and will see how it is. My VoxAc15c1 is made in China and it's been awesome
It's more about charging the same price as the USA made amps made with 1/4 the labor costs.
Bingo!
Just an FYI, I have a latter USA made Classic 30 which is built with the Peavey Blue Marvel speaker. It DOES have a removable power-cord, so it isn't just the Chinese-made versions which have the removable power-cord.
The Classic 30s available through Sweetwater have the Celestion Midnight 60 speakers installed.
What's your thoughts on all the Peavey amps being moved to the China factory? Please leave your comments below.
I had heard that Peavey had to move some production out of the U.S. I believe the thinking behind charging the same price for the China made equipment is to supplement the high cost of keeping his U.S. plants open. I will tell you this, I have a boutique amp, a Fender Princeton and an original Blues Deluxe as well as a China -made Peavey Classic 20 Mini Head. I have used the Peavey on literally 100 gigs and it's been rock solid performing. Used as a clean pedal platform, it allows me to use different speaker cabinets depending on the size of the venue (all of them being smaller venues).
That's it final straw for me & PV. I recently found out about that TV show w/Peavey in it. I didn't see the show blocked on YT. But that was bad. I read PV Employees response to that show & the Peavey Empire Dad Mom & Son that never worked a day in his life, that is so outta touch w/their employees plight. I almost returned a PV VIP3 & controller because of that. But after this that's it.
I will never buy anything Peavey "new" again ever. I said the same w/Avid & M-Audio & have not & won't buy from these greedy people. Peavey I once was honored to buy play & endorse Not anymore. I'd rather buy from about anyone else. Like the big bankers & politicians they care about the Snake on the Pole $ that's it. They will get what they want by destroying their own country / fellowmen .
Probably feeling the same as you would w Achilles packing up shop and going haze grey and underway. I've known this some time now. Not no major insider in the industry ..but wishing Hartley Peavey would go back to his roots. I think at one time Peavey was handwiring those Budda amps man. I foretell a future of skilled repair labor on vintage amps guitars..even the least adept player is getting tired of going to big chains and overstocked online warehouses of cheaply made overpriced CRAP...That doesn't mean I haven't heard decent sounding gear made other than USA. Got a small 80s Fender Champ 12 made in Mexico..(remember that move?). A few mods and Cannibus Rex speaker it's a couple hundred buck jewel..just so many now pushing quantity over quality. And it always shows. No matter what biz you may be in.
I guess it's the way things roll these days. The US has been losing ground for decades and this is just more of the same exodus. As for Chinese quality, it certainly has taken an upturn over the years. Some of the instruments we've been seeing from over the pond have been exceptional. Maybe it depends on the quality control and who's doing it. I do agree that some of the Chinese circuitry is a little thin for my liking. Their speakers do not sound the same and as a shop, we have had issues with circuitry, as in inferior components. Again, is that the country's fault, or the QC people seeing what they can get away with? The amp I've been running for the last five years is a Tech 21 'Trademark 60' out of good ol' New York City. I see the 60 watt is no longer available, but the 30 watt version is. They're a little pricey, but for a solid state combo they absolutely get the job done...and rock solid at doing so. Being from the people who created SansAmp, it's all business, and there's even a SansAmp DI (XLR out) built into the amp.
On a closing note, the Chinese guitars have improved exponentially over the last decade or so, and maybe the electronics just need to catch up. Unfortunately, the people counting the beans (the Americans in their offices) make the call...we just have to decide how we're going to roll with that...
My thought on it is, I simply don't like it. I remember the old USA Peavey gear being durable and affordable for a working class musician. I don't think we should pay a made in USA price for something that's made in China. The quality goes down and the price stays the same or goes up. I won't be buying a Peavey product that's new. It will be all older used USA products. It will be dependable and affordable, just like it was intended to be when it was new.
Even the flagship 6505 series 120w heads are made in China now since 2015. They are $1000??!! This is just sad.
and thanks now I'm looking at Classic 20 heads for my cab. lol. Monday morning gassssss. :)
I had a 6505+ combo that is made in China and it was built very well...sounded great, especially for the price
Look up the Undercover Boss episode with Peavey. It's enough to make you sick.
Like my Father, I have always been a Peavey fanboy. I've owned a Backstage Plus, Bandit 65, MarkIV Bass Head along with a Peavey cabinet, SP2x PA cabs and a CS800X power amp. All of these made in the USA. The only issue I ever had was one new tweeter driver replacement. It's all about greed really in my opinion. I watched the Undercover Boss episode and I was almost sick. That poor bloke, they lied to him for the show and it backfired on Hartley and his company.
That episode was really sad. It made me not want to purchase anything from Peavey.
I saw that episode too. Instead of paying his American workers a decent living wage, Mr Peavey decided to move his operations to China where he could pay his workers much less and sell his amps in the USA for more money. Guys like Peavey are disgusting.
Thanks for your honesty
I have a Peavey Classic 30 amp made in USA and it works sounds great.
I've owned both the USA and China Classic amps. My 212 China made amp sounded amazing! Nice and full. The USA amp has a stronger mid presence! I currently own both USA Classic 30, and Classic 50! For me, it's gotta be the USA made amps!! They sound more like a high end amp! Either way, both great sounding amps.
So your C50 has the stephens tru sonic speaker? I just bought a store ex demo with Stephens T/S on ebay for the price of a new C30. Either way both Chinese..but the new range has the celestion midnight. Very small magnet, perhaps its neodymium. C30 seemed to choke a little in the small enclosure. Bought the C50 but yet to try, blind purchase, being shipped. Why do u say the usa made seems higher end? Is the blue marvel more to yr liking?
After watching how the owner screwed over his employees on the Undercover Boss tv show I will never buy a Peavey anything!
i have the old classic 30 without the standby switch.. made in usa. it's a keeper..
JCAMPS I've got an American made C-30; it's my "go-to" amp for jazz and blues - my Strat sounds like a million bucks through it!
i got the china made c30 for 500 bucks new. little scared of the china thing at first, but as i giged the amp more an more really sounding good. i like the tru tone much better than the blu marvel, seems to hold together at hi volume better. i split the signal after the pedal board an go to the classic 30 and fender drri with a swampthing speaker. works out great
To early to say if it's good or bad. Have to see what quality control looks like in a couple of years. If it sounds good it sounds good is what I go by.
The classic amps are awesome. I managed to pickup a second hand one for £250, dude was moving house and needed rid of it. I just had to put a new power tube, fan, capacitor and op amp chip in for the reverb. Cost me about £60 in repairs. £310 for a beast of a USA made amp
My Valveking 2 lasted 3 years before it crapped out. Hopefully quality is better in China
Well, Hartley Peavey is getting up there in age now. He may be thinking of getting out of the business and retiring. He's been doing this forever, so I can't blame him, but I have a hard time paying an equal price for a imported amp from China.
How much would you let it go for?......
Bit of a coincidence I literally 2 hours ago picked up my first bandit red stripe and love it.
Peavey is making a amp in the USA again it's called the invective I believe and they are also making a hp2 guitar in the USA again . maybe theese will take off and production will return to USA Shane I love your channel !!!
I think some people have been extreme in their judgment of Peavey. There were people saying bad things about Peavey when they were on Undercover Boss. What I saw was a company trying to stay in business and stay viable. At least this could be said about Peavey: they were still making some products in the USA after all of the other companies had transferred everything overseas. People can argue all they want about the price. They are still competitively priced compared to everyone else then this is to be expected. They are a business in this is what you call doing business. I have always loved PV products but I am not a fan boy. I just see a company trying to stay in business and stay successful.
i shudda kept my Peavey Classic 30 combo made in USA...i purchased it from Sunburst Music in Coogee for around $500 in the early 90's brand new...i sold it years later for a princely sum of $290 (!!!!) it was still in mint condition not a mark on it...i put the guitar down for many years..but just lately seeing all the youtube videos with guitar/playing content..motivated me to play again...and i wanted to pick up one of these amps again...they were such a sweet sounding amp..didn't take up much space..yet it had Ba$$s when you turned the little bugger up! cheapest i found..were going for $720 second hand!!!! OMG!! they were USA models.
I have a Peavey Valveking MH20 for almost 3 years i guess... I dont play every day, but its holding on pletty nicely. Its more modern and gainy IMO, but its a very good amp.
I'm fairly sure that the original Red Stripe Peavey Bandit made from 2000-2004 (with the "Made and Designed in USA" sticker on the front panel) was made exclusively in the USA and during that production cycle moved to China. Subsequent Chinese Series 11 Red Stripes, 2004-2006 (mine and Shane's by the sound of it) had "designed in the USA" on the front instead. These were pretty much the same components as the original USA made except for the speaker. Either way, both these Red Stripes were the best Bandits ever made imho.
I've got a Peavey Classic 20 and a Delta Blues, both made in US. The Classic 20 is my favorite amp, keeping in mind, I'm a home player and not a performer.
It does suck but as long as it still sounds good and is still built well, I'll get over it. I don't really look at where something is made as much of a factor on..well, anything anymore. It just has to be a good product. I've played MIA Fenders, MIM Fenders, Chinese Fenders and Squiers and love em all.
Had an American made Classic 30 once and while having it tried to make it more "Fendery" sounding as I couldn't really get used to its midrangy, rather dark voicing... Had issues with solderings on the orinted circuit board and annoying tube rattle as well - if that's been due to (or in spite of?) American making, I'd certainly give the new Chinese making the benefit of doubt...
this is all news to me too. interesting about the Classic 20 head price vs the combo. I'm seeing this price issue with other amp brands too. having the combo only cost about $100 more than a head seems odd. (ac15 and bassbreaker15 are like that too price wise)
You can get USA made Peavey Classic 50 4x10's, Peavey Classic 30 1x12's and all sorts of different Peavey Classic models for sub $500 bucks on the used market. Just go that route.
A lot of this is many places in America are finding a hard time finding a workforce to do these jobs. I make $34 an hr where I work and we have people walk out every day. Many Americans don't want to work hard anymore, I'd say this was part of Peaveys decision to move. I'm worried about my job leaving at some point to be honest.
All over the US Americans work like slaves and half the time 40+ hours a week can't keep a roof over your head. Why? So some billionaire asshole can have a third jetplane. And the assholes want to ABOLISH minimum wage! Wouldn't that be fun kids?
The only amps I could afford back in the 80s were peaveys. If you are telling me they sound more fender. Then thats a good thing. As far as what I use. Fender Blues Jr. NOS tweed. Love that thing. One channel , run pre amp hot, put on floor for more bass response, use a compressor for clean tones. Stock reverb unit is crap.
Wait, In The Blues? I thought I was subbed to the Blues Clues channel this whole time!
You re great man hope i ll meet you once in italy!;)
At this point in time, I have more faith in Chinese manufacturers than anybody else... they build so much stuff they've got all the kinks worked out
it really comes down to budget. a speaker alone can be a big upgrade to an amp, if the rest of the amp would allow. I'm thinking that a tube amp might be a little more forgiving. if I remember correctly, at least a few years ago, there was no tube manufacturing in the states anymore.
My preference is to buy a product that's reliable, regardless of where it's made. In a perfect world the product would be made in the USA, but Made in the USA that can't be the ONLY reason to buy it. I currently have 6 Fender amps in my recording studio- two twins, vibro king, bassman, champ and a bassbreaker. the 5 American made amps I have are either currently in the shop or just came out of the shop within the last two weeks. The Mexican made bassbreaker has been running strong for over a year now. The American made bassman has been in the shop three times over the last 4 years, something different each time.
I understand the MIA sentiment but manufactures have relied to heavily on that patriotic emotion and have let QC suffer. (Also went through two sets of Fender noiseless tele pickups to get a working set.)
I will say that by-and-large my two peavey classic amps have been bullet proof since the 90's which is a testament to pv's QC back in the day.
I have no problem paying a premium for high quality American made products but I do have a problem with manufactures charging me a premium only because it sports a MIA tag.
The difference between Made in America and Made in Mexico? The Mexican made one is made in Mexico by Mexicans and the USA Made on is made in the USA by Mexicans.
I don't like to see it, but Laney have done the same thing. Moved Lionheart production there and still charge the same price. Only the 50w is UK Made now.
Celestion is another. Same price as when they were all UK made.
It's good for the company profit, but in the long run, we'll have less money to buy these things as our jobs are given to China.
Thanks for the info. I tried a used new one in a pawn shop and thought it sounded a bit different. It did have a WHS speaker though-maybe a 65. I thought that's what it was. So from what Your saying is they voiced it different somehow. A bit cleaner? Fendery. I did like it.
Mine had the celestion midnight 60
I've been researching buying a new amp for quite awhile, and it is a letdown to know that tons of companies have outsourced their products. You really have to check the labels on the back to see where an amp was assembled. The list is long from Peavey, Laney, EVH, Randall, Blackstar, and some Marshall, some Fender, some Vox, some Orange amps being made in either China, Vietnam, Malaysia, or Mexico. These outsourced amps don't hold their value either, and you're better off buying a used or vintage. Knowing this has made me an even bigger fan of Mesa Boogie, since all their stuff still comes out of Petalma, California.
Mesa Boogie, Bogner, Friedman, Soldano all make amps in the USA still but cost alot of cash. For me, I'd rather pay more to buy American made. No Chinese made slave labor garbage! Same goes for guitars. So much cheap crap made in China now as well and if you want an American made guitar, expect to pay way more. At least Fender still makes guitars still in the USA.
This sucks and I will never buy anymore Peavey gear now unless it is vintage USA made stuff.
Some of their guitar cables are made in USA. If they are not, don't buy them, but some are actually USA-made.
@@applianceman6009 yeah the 5150 amp made in the USA back in the 90s are great rock metal amps. Would love one.
I would guess that the price is the same either because that's what the market will bear (and why shouldn't they charge what the market will let them charge?) or it may help on long-term labor costs but introduce new price considerations elsewhere.
Mississippi is Burning...thanks Mr. Peavey.
Interesting head. If it comes to my country, it might be a good alternative for me. For now, with no options, I have my eye on a Borne Classic T7 head manufactured here in Brasil, cause it features a 12AX7 and a 6L6 in the power amp (main reason for me is that 6L6, cause I still don't have a power valve at home, only a pre valve)
`What is the alternative ,being bought up by Loud Technologies Inc, ask Crate how that worked out.
What happened to crate?
I have been repairing Peavey gear for over 25 years. I don't share the view the quality is better. In fact I prefer not to service the current range of Peavey products. There old designs made in USA were smartly designed. The bandits, and all the budget amps were really well thought out, in the build. The result was a amp that works for 15 years plus. I use to tell all of my school customers to buy Peavey as for bang for buck, a great product. The majority of budget peavey gear came to me after it had been subjected by students who did everything to these amps. The classic 30 is a budget amp, the build quality is questionable. They have a lot of followers because the price on offer make them affordable. I haven't seen the latest peavey classic 30. But I have noticed there is a certain loss of quality in many Chinese built Peaveys. I had a Peavey Bass amp in the other day which was made in China 600 watts, so not a small amp. It was the worst design I have every seen. Very hard to work on. Full of design errors. In this case the damage done was massive. I priced up a new switch-mode/power amp board and nearly fell of the chair at the price. I was told that while the board was made in china, it attracts a USA price. I ended up doing a massive rebuild on this amp as it was cheaper with my skills to repair than to replace.. What I really should of pushed the Australia consumer code, and demanded Peavey replace the amp. What a piece of rubbish. Everyone is jumping to a Chinese product. I personally hate it. For the companies who elect to use quality parts, and quality checks china can work. Unfortunately Peavey are not the only manufacture who does this. The fender blues junior is a good example of quality control. I except these amps are built to a price to make it affordable. The peavey classic 30 and fender junior sound great for a small amp.
As for the classic 30 I usually have one in my workshop, In fact I have one in now. I don't like the design as I have to pull the whole 3 part PCB out to do a cap replacement, or set the bias as peavey run the tubes way way to hot.
Regarding Chinese parts. The quality is so varied I try and keep clear clear. Some of there parts are great, but I find it hard to police what is good and what is not. The bottom line is quality control. Peavey and Fender have slipped. A lot of people hate behringer, but I can see this company with great improvements. I started off liking behringer, then I hated them as the products were crap. But slowy I have seen a vast improvement to them. Even though behringer are a german company they don't hide the fact there factories are in china. So for budget gear, I tend to choose Behringer for a lot of there products.
If you are on a budget and you want a tube amp, buy a ceriatone made in Malaysia. Quality parts, quality build, and doesn't have the USA european price tag. In Australia don't except any retail store with any warranty hassle. The Australian consumer code is really hot at the moment. It you buy any brand and it fails, regardless of the 12 month warranty card, you will most likely get it replaced by law. This is good for the consumer as most products are Chinese made. The consumer code is a really interesting read. If your amp fails under 10 years, chances are you have got a chance of getting it replaced. The law is a sliding scale. I have had many customers challenge this with good results. In Australia we pay premium prices, but these premium prices when brought in Australia attract consumer law protection.
I'm a guy that babies my amps but every single Chinese made amp that I have owned has been problematic. I think the Chinese made Peavey stuff is to expensive for the quality we are getting.
im not going to argue that. its getting harder to sort out the crap. I even thought about doing my own line of amps just for the school market. Minimal options, but nice sound and reliable. Built to last.
Marshall and fender part quality has gone right down. So I don't know who to recommend.
As I said earlier Behringer is on even ground with manufactures who decide that china is a better option.
I can tell you this I can buy Behringer parts at a chinese price. If I buy Fender, Marshall, Peavey, and many other brands the prices are not Chinese and the quality is no better. There are exceptions to the rule
The blackstar is priced well and reasonably well constructed. The Chinese orange amps are OK as well.
British made Marshall's, like the hand wired series are great, likewise with the fender hand wired stuff, but for people who are aiming for a budget and looking to buy a classic 30, I feel it gets a tough choice.
It looks like their Butcher amp is still made in USA according to the website.
Offering a foreign-manufactured line for cheap is not a bad thing. Killing the original line made in the brand's home country is.
That is why I find what Peavey is doing more worrying than, say, what Marshall is doing. Marshall moved the midrange DSL series to Vietnam, while still making the flagship JVM series and reissues in England. (As a side note, the current DSL series has excellent build quality).
I feel it is a bad move for them and they should definitely be lower cost ! Good to know though,thanks Shane.
I wasn't questioning Chinese quality ,I just think they should keep an American line,and they are produced for MUCH lower wage cost and that SHOULD be passed on to the consumer(us).
People seem to complain about the quality of Chinese made goods while typing their comments from their Chinese made iPhone. If there are quality issues with their amps, it’s because of Peavey’s quality control, not because it’s made in China.
I’ve owned a ton of amps, American, British and overseas. I’ve had equal issues with most, but more issues with my British made Marshalls. I also own the American Classic 30, as well as the Classic 20, build quality is superb on both.
It’s sad that they had to move production overseas, but that’s the situation right now, and will continue to be.
Try to catch the TV show Undercover Boss about Peavy. It was kind of ruthless, but I bet it was edited that way, still.
Sadly,I think the Peavey move to China was a bad one,at least with the Classic 30.The Stevens speaker doesn’t sound as good as the Blue Marvel,the cabinet thickness is now 5/8” rather than 3/4”,and I found out the input jack is plastic,rather than a sturdy metal Switch craft.
It bothers me to see them move manufacturing to China but so far my experience with foreign made amps and instruments has been pretty good.
I recently bought a Fender Champion 100 and love it. I have Korean made guitars that are 30 years old that are 100% original and still sound and play great. I wouldn't give up my Korean Sheraton II for anything.
I recently got an Indonesian made Fender Bass and it sounds great. I play normal like Shane ;) and it's hard to find a higher end guitar so maybe I wouldn't be so impressed with what I have if I did have a 5,000 dollar guitar but they have all served me well and I played out for 16 years straight.
The only one that bothers me is Martin. It broke my heart when they opened up a shop in Mexico. Unfortunately all I can afford is a Martinez and it sounds great so I shouldn't complain, but I admit I was ashamed of myself for buying it. Martin's are sacred.
If I were to be totally honest, the worst sounding amp I ever owned was a US Mesa 2 x 12 Dual Rectifier Tremoverb. Terrible amp. Sorry I ever bought it. Bought it for 2500 sold it for 600 and felt like I was ripping the guy off. Wish I still had my Peavy Heritage VTX but God was it heavy.
The Champ100 is one of the best sounding amps I've ever heard especially playing my Sheraton II through it. $349 solid state and if I remember right it says on the back that it was made in Indonesia.
If I could find one, I'd buy a used 30 or 50. great amps and built like tanks.
Well shoot! I didnt know the Classic 20 head was veritable watts. Oh, well, still pretty happy with the Princeton I bought. Congrats for reaching 70k, Shane! A testament to your content.
hey any opinions or info on a peavey express 112 with sheffield speaker? I'm sorry to clog the public comments, but it looks like you're the expert.... I started out on a vypyr 15 like 8 years ago and it still works! I now have a Fender Ramparte 9w tube amp, love it but I'm looking for a stage worthy clean kind of amp, something that would be great for jazz and cleaner blues (as the ramparte is plenty dirty) I'm looking at peavey bandits because of your recommendations, but have found an express on craigslist and wondered if it's worth a trip to checkout, can't find many reviews... thanks
WHY does this NOT surprise me? And it WILL be price gouging too! WILL the CN manufacture LOWER the prices of their amps, esp the flagship models?
I DOUBT it! Just increase the profit margin!
PV Classic 30 is a great amp!
Late to this video, but I had a USA made Classic 30 for years, sold it, then wanted to go back to it again, The Chinese made one was not good at all for, did not sound like my USA made, so I passed.
All I can say is , it was only a matter of time . As Matt Jones said in his comments about Fender ... I reckon if the Ensenada factory didn't exist , many of the small valve amps would probably had shifted production to China long ago . I do think Peavey have created a blatant rip off in the pricing . Shift production to China to save cost and pass hardly anything of that saving on to the customer . Very wrong imo. My brother is a vocalist who has used Peavey PA systems for years ,USA made ,excellent quality & at good prices here in the UK . I know what he'll say ! I don't know about Mexican Fender Amps , but their guitars can be very good & in some cases as good if not better than some of their USA models depending on the price bracket. I agree with you Shane , it can be dodgy taking a punt on a product that's just being made somewhere else for the first time . Do Peavey have their own factory in China or is it some huge factory that makes 20 different brands ? That would concern me. If you buy Fender MIA or MIM , both are still manufactured in a Fender factory . I look at it like this : You might by a Nissan car made in Japan , UK , wherever the Nissan factories are ... if they suddenly said this car is now made in China not by Nissan but in an ex lawnmower factory , who would buy one ?? !! ;-)
Yes well every thing I have brought from China breaks. Including my great wall fwd never ever I will buy so much as a lead off them again. Great show
The heatsink/tube-guard is different as well.
Interesting, I plugged into a new classic 30 a few weeks back at a local shop. I had played on an old Classic and liked it years back, but the new one just didn't move me at all. I'm a Fender tube guy, but the new Classic had no appeal. Just like the vid says, weak mids, and I thought it had no warmth. Moved onto a Vox AC15 and completely forgot about the Peavey.
Peavey has always been a good company. My guess is they had to go to China to stay in business. Hopefully the tariff situation will bring them back.
Hi Shane, thanks for all your reviews..I had a Peavey classic 30w valve a few years ago, was great, but sold it!? Wish I'd kept it.. I think mine was a USA, (2001 year), what's the difference with the China version?.. Keep up the good work!..
Hi Chris, I mention the differences in the amps in the video. That said, they look very similar.
I too have no problem buying PacRim made products that perform, and I have also spent money on US made gear that was a huge disappointment for some reason or another. My concern is with the underlying lack of resourcefulness on the part of some US gear manufacturers. Other industries have adapted to the competition, found ways to work smarter, and have recaptured business that went overseas years ago. Plus, the companies I have direct experience with have done so while increasing wages and overall compensation. I doubt Peavey would be able to go this route, those kinds of results can't be achieved with a workforce of worker bees.
The China delta blues is smaller and have a celestion speaker,the finition is not good as mine,(Delta blues II US) ,i would like to see a/b comparaison for the sound
I have a couple of backstage 20s and a heritage vtx; if I see a low priced bandit should I leave it? Or get it? Also have a t-15 with amp in chainsaw case...
It's a necessary evil for Peavey. The economic structure in the US has forced smaller companies like Peavey to outsource labor. Peavey has really held out for a long time while all the huge corporations with their high CEO compensations, and big payouts to stockholders have done it long ago. The structure in the US is so messed up. All of our 401k/remaining pensions depend on the false growth in the stock market, that then demands that companies pay wages lower then the cost of living in the US. Then when they still need more and then the jobs continue to vacuum to cheaper labor markets, and the extreme wealthy continue to exploit the situation while the middle class evaporates, and small business is limited to the service industry. I don't see it changing since the Supreme Court decided that corporations have the same rights to choose and finance politicians as us citizens .
I was able to A/B a US made classic 50 410 with a China made one. The made in China one sounds like the volume on my guitar is at half, totally wimpy on the distortion channel, even with presence, gain, and eq at ten. There's something wrong with it, not the sound of the US one that I fell in love with. Glad I got mine at Guitar Center and will be returning it thanks to their return policy. Peavey you can keep 'em. I'm so disappointed, because I thought I found my amp, but the new redesign must include less voltage or something in the gain stages, maybe to prolong the life of the tubes, but at the cost of sound. Sucks, Sad.
They should call it the "Not so Classic we copied Fenders sound" line :)
Well if my vkii is anything to go by which weirdly has a more American tone than most Fenders, The Peavey builds are in safe hands.
Peavey is lucky to sell any new amp.Too many other choices. Better off buying any used USA Peavey since there is little demand and are usually dirt cheap & better quality but weigh a ton.
Interesting development by Peavey, Shane. Do you think this will mean that any US made Peavey amp will appreciate more in the second hand market?
Good point! That's usually how it works with amps. Usually when this sort of stuff happens the original USA made stuff will end up holding a lot more value. Great point mate. :-)
intheblues Well that's good to know. I recently picked up a Transtube Bandit 112 US made that has not seen much action so looks like it will be a keeper.
The price of vintage US Peavey gear is up during the last 1.5 years. Only going to get worse. Bandit's in Canda have been ++$$
Bart Nettle. Free trade worldwide is to blame, and it comes with a price.
Could be wrong but I'm assuming quality control in China won't be so flash
"That's enough to fill a stadium." Everyone hold up your lighters now.
Maybe the newer Peavey amps will be way lighter than the others.
George Price. That's a plus and not a bad thing at all
Not too surprised, it's hard to keep anything made here in the US. I just don't think Peavey has a strong enough following these days to justify the cost of USA manufacturing.
I actually designed an overdrive for Peavey back in 2005 I talked extensively to Hartley about the Delta Blues as well as the classic series. He gave his stepson too much control and honestly its over for American made for the majority of products.. Its a shame he was one of last!
I know this is a blues channel but curious if anyone knows if the peavey invective and newer 6505 models are now made in china as well??
justin bora. The invective is made in the U.S.A but not sure about the 6505+, but the regular 6505 was made here in the U.S
I think the logic that 'since production was moved to China, the price should be lower' is critically flawed. It was done to remain solvent and keep from raising prices above competitor's similar amps. Regarding quality: Country of Origin does not determine quality. Design, manufacturing techniques, materials used, employee skill (training) plus proper QC measures dictate it.
EDIT: After further thought, do I correctly recall Peavey lowering the price of their Delta Blues 115 right after transferring it's production to China, causing 'street price' to lower from $849 to $699 USD????
Like Landon from Lando27music but I am looking for the Classic 30 amp, are they worth getting used. my Fender Squier Strat is made or as it is labeled "crafted in China".
Shane i've got one question left: are all a.ps with a disconnected powercable made in China?🤔
Bound to happen sooner or later. Not surprised. Some manufacturer will no doubt find an even better location (Country) that'll allow them to achieve an even larger margin of profit since China has proven themselves as producing some pretty good stuff over the past decade or so. Maybe China's products will get so close to their American counterparts, they'll have to pull the plug. Remember Squier's ProTone series guitars? Somebody got scared! Hmmmmm, let's see.....don't be surprised to see gear comin' from Liberia or the Central African Republic. Hey, gotta stretch that margin o' profit............