What I like about you casting the same players over a few days, we actually get to see a different style and see it in various scenarios. Its kind of a deep dive, I also like when you cast different players every time but just wanted to say, its also cool when a flash (or now forGG) streak happens! ;)
It would be cool if someone made a resource that was like a timeline chart with the different races build orders over time according to popularity. essentially a meta timeline of all the matchups.
- Not using 1 scan on the observer was bad over the 3 Facts I believe (7:50) allowed Protoss to see the units coming out, the timing of the Command Centre too! 1 Scan & then Protoss is guessing - you should only need the 1 scan there. IF you use both, then just delay things slightly. Make a few more factories to throw the opponent off & kill the obs, then start the command centre! - Also being in Age of Empires right now they are all SPAMMERS, they don't watch their games & don't think critically into it. I mean we still get patches in a sense & think about the future on that front which doesn't happen really here... so that adds an extra dynamic. But damn it's so simple, where you can improve just by rewatching your games to see how you play - then also watch full casts & analyses!
ForGG is basically just throwing builds at the wall, while being creative and experimental. It seems less about trying to play Meta and more see what he could use as Anti Meta or old tech becoming new again to combat the norm. Sometimes the best strategy is simply to confuse your opponent, then exploit their mistakes. Unorthodox methods have shown time and time throughout history to either be a huge success or fail miserably in many different facets of life.
yeah im with you on this one, I doubt a player of ForGG's caliber is having trouble understanding the meta at this many games played, just experimenting.
10:45 why didn't Disco just go kill the 3rd? That attack into the natural violated the tasteless rule! Also 21:50 ForGG could've probably rushed up into the main and used his tanks to kill all the pylons powering the gateways and then destroyed all the tech. You can see from this point on how the supplies just keep shifting more and more Protoss favoured due to the imbalance of mining bases. ForGG was completely all-in because of this so he really needed to get the checkmate
The best thing about life is that you actually *CAN* cast only ForGG (TvZ) games if you wanted. 😂It is entirely possible. I am here not because I want something in particular from you. I am here because I want to see what *Artosis* comes up with because it was always actually amazing when you did what you wanted. What you want is usually great ideas, you are Artosis. You are really good and you know that. (Your casts helped me stay alive during depression for 8 years thus I can only feel grattitude and respect)
Artosis, I just theorized: could a gas-first build with three very fast factories (one with an addon) and non-stop marine production maybe, be viable, given how many greedy Protoss players there are, and considering that even gas/expansion pushes sometimes succeed?
10:00 Clearly ForGG's main error was not to lead his defense with the strongest units in the Terran arsenal, i.e. the floating buildings (barracks, engineering bay).
After seeing the post-match meta review, the question I have is: don't pro players discuss strategy? Follow the meta change (not follow as in do the same, but get up to date on the whats and the whys)? I had the same question when we followed Flash's return. I mean, I understand the need to try it for themselves, but it doesn't have to be That many games.
Is there a measure/estimate of how many active S-rank players there are on average in, say, the last few ladder seasons? I don't even have a concept of the order of magnitude i.e. are there roughly 100? 1000?
usually around 600-700. But most of these are duplicate accounts that belong to the same person. Usually it's around 250 individual players. Most in S rank are concentrated at the border of A to S rank, which is currently at around 2244 MMR. like 350 of the S rankers are below 2300. the next 200 are within 2300-2400. 179 names are above 2400. 63 above 2500. 15 above 2600. 4 above 2700 in Scan, Light, hacker, Speed(2800).
Why does the thumbnail look AI-generated? 😆 On another note: are there any good curated playlists out there for people who want to watch the old televised matches with the timelines that people back then would have experienced?
18:20 Why do they always send workers to die? Are they supposed to support in combat or what? The Command Center wasn't ready yet. Meh. I guess they helped a bit. I will allow it this time.
ARTOSIS, I SAW FLASH SKIP ENGINEERING BAY VS LARVA JUST NOW ON HIS STREAM. CC FIRST INTO GOLIATHS WITH ARMOR. FLASH DID NOT DO EARLY GAME DAMAGE. IT WAS AT ABOUT 10:27 ON HIS STREAM TODAY.
@@davidorawe3931Literally the same besides the new skins but with much shittier bnet that has 20% functionality of the old one, shittier ladder, matchmaking and same lag issues private servers dealt with better almost 20 years ago 😂😂😂
one of the things ruining the tvp game currently is the maps not allowing building anywhere. terran relies heavily on keeping melee off its units and maps for a while now just say nope you cant build anywhere
That wouldn't really be a game ending play. Wisco could have just built his production at one of the southern bases. With three healthy mining bases, and 4GG's army just babysitting a dead protoss base, the protoss would run away with that game pretty fast.
i think he would just gate up pretty quick, did you see how fast he came back to 200 cap supply after a pretty sizeable supply block when he was hitting the 3rd? but that might force the production farther away from ForGG, would be fun to see how that would have played out. maybe snipe some tech buildings while he was in there, could have been interesting.
agree, when there's detection and low energy on the arb anyways might as well let it hang back farther imo. I always see them getting blasted, those and DA's vs zerg, 1 maelstrom and then toss it in the meatgrinder instead of saving it for feedback defiler later.
Why do I feel like the first 3 mins of video we have to listen to artosis re-explain how he categorizes players into “not on the brink of asl, asl contenders, etc…?”
Thanks for having me back, ArtosisCasts
What a profound comment
Christmas spirit persists
When I saw the first protoss attack, all I could think was, "why the hell is this video 26 minutes? Shouldn't the game end here?"
7:52 "I'm getting chills" 🥶
What I like about you casting the same players over a few days, we actually get to see a different style and see it in various scenarios.
Its kind of a deep dive, I also like when you cast different players every time but just wanted to say, its also cool when a flash (or now forGG) streak happens! ;)
364 days till Xmas 🎉
im getting chills
MOAR FOUR GEE GEE!!
Every time he says "Wisco" I get chills.
Wischills
Watching ForGG is like looking at a scientist in a lab, experimenting with old builds, it's quite the treat. Nice casts, Artosis.
Thank you for casting all these games; this is my new favorite comfort channel
Def a confort channel. I put these on my phone and listen and go to sleep
Watching Broodwar is so addictive. I have no other vices period, except I can watch these matches all day. I don't get it?
so true...
I never played BW, only SC2 and only 10 years ago 😂 but here we are
OP is a teetotaller square 🥱
This is drugs. This is what you have been hearing about all these years. This is the addiction crisis we have all been sucked into. Broodwar=drugs.
A lot of the entertainment for me comes from Artosis's commentary
these games where you run into a wall and figure out "that's why the meta is what it is" are the ones you learn the most
It would be cool if someone made a resource that was like a timeline chart with the different races build orders over time according to popularity. essentially a meta timeline of all the matchups.
Tasteless did win ratios in accordance with real time duration.
Chillpocalypse
- Not using 1 scan on the observer was bad over the 3 Facts I believe (7:50) allowed Protoss to see the units coming out, the timing of the Command Centre too! 1 Scan & then Protoss is guessing - you should only need the 1 scan there. IF you use both, then just delay things slightly. Make a few more factories to throw the opponent off & kill the obs, then start the command centre!
- Also being in Age of Empires right now they are all SPAMMERS, they don't watch their games & don't think critically into it. I mean we still get patches in a sense & think about the future on that front which doesn't happen really here... so that adds an extra dynamic.
But damn it's so simple, where you can improve just by rewatching your games to see how you play - then also watch full casts & analyses!
ForGG is basically just throwing builds at the wall, while being creative and experimental. It seems less about trying to play Meta and more see what he could use as Anti Meta or old tech becoming new again to combat the norm.
Sometimes the best strategy is simply to confuse your opponent, then exploit their mistakes. Unorthodox methods have shown time and time throughout history to either be a huge success or fail miserably in many different facets of life.
yeah im with you on this one, I doubt a player of ForGG's caliber is having trouble understanding the meta at this many games played, just experimenting.
10:45 why didn't Disco just go kill the 3rd? That attack into the natural violated the tasteless rule! Also 21:50 ForGG could've probably rushed up into the main and used his tanks to kill all the pylons powering the gateways and then destroyed all the tech. You can see from this point on how the supplies just keep shifting more and more Protoss favoured due to the imbalance of mining bases. ForGG was completely all-in because of this so he really needed to get the checkmate
I got chills
More Spoonerisms = More Chills
I was THIS closed to just being super spooked by this game.
That was my nickname in high school
Artosis: feeling blessed 🙏🙏🙏
Artosis gave a name to the no missile turrets build it's called crazy terran
Did you feel a sense of guilt when you put that second questionmark? Merry Christmas though, i love these videos
How about the space between the last word and the punctuation? 😂
Disco Stu likes disco music
The best thing about life is that you actually *CAN* cast only ForGG (TvZ) games if you wanted. 😂It is entirely possible. I am here not because I want something in particular from you. I am here because I want to see what *Artosis* comes up with because it was always actually amazing when you did what you wanted. What you want is usually great ideas, you are Artosis. You are really good and you know that. (Your casts helped me stay alive during depression for 8 years thus I can only feel grattitude and respect)
snOw is not on the brink of an SSL championship
Chills!
Good to know skipping Tourets and go Goliaths works good...
Great to be back on AYAYAcasts.
Looks like ForGG forGGot how to play 🥁 🥁 🥁
Artosis passion makes these games very existing
Artosis, I just theorized: could a gas-first build with three very fast factories (one with an addon) and non-stop marine production maybe, be viable, given how many greedy Protoss players there are, and considering that even gas/expansion pushes sometimes succeed?
+1 for Rich! He should make it in very soon. Scan is getting better too.
I'm all about these ForGG casts.
ForGG is my favorite. I've been loving the last few days.
THANK YOU FOR GETTING CHILLS AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:00 Clearly ForGG's main error was not to lead his defense with the strongest units in the Terran arsenal, i.e. the floating buildings (barracks, engineering bay).
Lol
This ForGG build is really interesting, it needs a name. It's risky, almost crazy...
is ForGG on US West and sometimes plays custom maps like bgh? Or is that a fake? Cuz I was suprised to have played with him a few times.
Disco is very good nickname, but Wisco... As Snowkey, is terrific!
ForGG seems like a great player that never scouts beyond initial 3 minutes.
Are we going to see a return of this 8 minute chills timing build order?
These old pros teaching new dogs old tricks
last attack with mass tanks, forgg should've directly destroyed gateways, protoss didn't have production elsewhere
Need my daily dose of forgg
How does the CNSL roster work? You often describe players in how close they are to SSL (ASL), but makes me wonder if we will see them in a CNSL.
cnsl is for players who, for the current starleague season, did not qualify.
I wasn’t there for the stream, but i wish i had the video of you doing that forgg no turrets/goliath strat
I think I’ll ask Santatosis for a Flash game next Christmas.
Maybe instead of second armory 4th factory could have helped him defend his third
Who knows
Forgg games are fun to watch, more forgg please.
Artosis casts rocks!
After seeing the post-match meta review, the question I have is: don't pro players discuss strategy? Follow the meta change (not follow as in do the same, but get up to date on the whats and the whys)?
I had the same question when we followed Flash's return.
I mean, I understand the need to try it for themselves, but it doesn't have to be That many games.
Is there a measure/estimate of how many active S-rank players there are on average in, say, the last few ladder seasons? I don't even have a concept of the order of magnitude i.e. are there roughly 100? 1000?
In order to be S rank you have to be in the top 1% of all players on the ladder. Maybe 200?
@abstractdaddy1384 thank you!
usually around 600-700. But most of these are duplicate accounts that belong to the same person. Usually it's around 250 individual players. Most in S rank are concentrated at the border of A to S rank, which is currently at around 2244 MMR. like 350 of the S rankers are below 2300. the next 200 are within 2300-2400. 179 names are above 2400. 63 above 2500. 15 above 2600. 4 above 2700 in Scan, Light, hacker, Speed(2800).
why do I like broodwar more than SC2... probably because been hooked on it since the infamous korean casters yelled "plaaaagueuuu"
If Flash couldn't win like that, then no one can
ngl i really like watching forgg
Why does the thumbnail look AI-generated? 😆
On another note: are there any good curated playlists out there for people who want to watch the old televised matches with the timelines that people back then would have experienced?
More ForGG tvz please I want to see more goliaths!
merry chillsmass
Great game, battle after battle
He might not win every game but he is 100% on baffling Artosis
18:20 Why do they always send workers to die?
Are they supposed to support in combat or what?
The Command Center wasn't ready yet.
Meh. I guess they helped a bit. I will allow it this time.
ARTOSIS, I SAW FLASH SKIP ENGINEERING BAY VS LARVA JUST NOW ON HIS STREAM. CC FIRST INTO GOLIATHS WITH ARMOR. FLASH DID NOT DO EARLY GAME DAMAGE. IT WAS AT ABOUT 10:27 ON HIS STREAM TODAY.
He literally just sits there and wins cross spawn nexus first
LOL Terran gets owned all game and almost wins it with going tank man.
forgg should rebrand to forAltf4
artosis has listened to so much tts about dciks that he forgot tanks have turrets
Disco Inferno?
History repeats itself
Is this StarCraft like remake or something it looks different from what I remember.
Remastered.
Yeah it's the 'Remaster.'
Same game but with higher definition, matchmaking, and a few bug fixes like allowing mass valkyries to fire all their shots.
@@aaronliedka7242 thanks guys been feeling nostalgic looking for sc videos I want to play again.
@@davidorawe3931 thanks guys been feeling nostalgic looking for sc videos I want to play again.
@@davidorawe3931Literally the same besides the new skins but with much shittier bnet that has 20% functionality of the old one, shittier ladder, matchmaking and same lag issues private servers dealt with better almost 20 years ago 😂😂😂
one of the things ruining the tvp game currently is the maps not allowing building anywhere. terran relies heavily on keeping melee off its units and maps for a while now just say nope you cant build anywhere
Couldn't ForGG just camp Disco's production instead of moving all the tanks south to kill mining bases?
That wouldn't really be a game ending play. Wisco could have just built his production at one of the southern bases. With three healthy mining bases, and 4GG's army just babysitting a dead protoss base, the protoss would run away with that game pretty fast.
i think he would just gate up pretty quick, did you see how fast he came back to 200 cap supply after a pretty sizeable supply block when he was hitting the 3rd? but that might force the production farther away from ForGG, would be fun to see how that would have played out. maybe snipe some tech buildings while he was in there, could have been interesting.
my relationship of 12 years may have come to an end but you know what hasnt? RT/SC....until he dies i guess.
Losing a lot of arbiters to goliaths but otherwise nice plays from P
agree, when there's detection and low energy on the arb anyways might as well let it hang back farther imo. I always see them getting blasted, those and DA's vs zerg, 1 maelstrom and then toss it in the meatgrinder instead of saving it for feedback defiler later.
"2 fact pushes were strong back then" - Toss clings onto the fe vs fd 😂 2fact push woulda rolled over it with massive probe losses in the best case.
First it's Crazy Zerg, now it's FD. I can't believe Artosis keeps inventing such bad names for Brood War builds
At least he didn't name them baconHer0
@@Loeschzwerch this coming from a guy whose name spells like loserwatch
Great game!
man Disco's stasises are great but his overall arbiter control is bad, every battle he loses every arbiter
Spoiler Blocker
Can you put the players in the video title? I don't watch videos unless I know whose playing f
GG!!
Disco playing fastest
👍🏻
i think forgg just likes goliaths and thinks they r strong
ggs
Gg
Protoss wins!!!!
Lmao this is the most deliberately biased week long analysis of a very average-consummate level player I've ever seen lol. Do more Jaedong next!
First
Why do I feel like the first 3 mins of video we have to listen to artosis re-explain how he categorizes players into “not on the brink of asl, asl contenders, etc…?”