Disabling a beautiful multi-zone hydronic system, with a good Burnham cast iron boiler, to now rely on a goofy geothermal system, and electric baseboard units in a far northeastern state? Let’s see how warm the house is when it’s been -15F for a week. Then just wait until that geothermal heat stops on a Sunday in subzero temperatures, and nobody has parts to repair it immediately.
@@ntsecrets definitely not like that near Chicago. A week back there were two days my normally very capable 120,000 BTU gas furnace ran almost continuously to maintain.
Company I have used for over 30 years at work had guy named Earl that was a mechanical savant. When Earl showed up it was because other guys needed technical help. Earl would walk in and look at something for 3 minutes an go, Here's your problem. He could be frustrating because he could be 5 min from finishing but it was 11:59 and it was lunch time. Take off for an hour. He owned a bowling ally and had it set up for geo. His heating and cooling bills were almost non existent. He passed a couple years back. Odd duck but friendly and so smart. Thanks for video Steven!
people who use those geothermal systems have houses that are built extremely insulated even the basements it will be crazy expensive to run that on an old house with poor insulataion.
Call the guy next week when the temps are single digits and ask him if his balls are still hiding in his stomach because it’s so cold. I hope he calls you back to reconnect and install new baseboards. You could give him your Massachusetts rebate!
Geothermal? $60,000?!?!?! That’s insanity!!!! I can add on to my house for that or build a nice garage! I’d probably go with radiant floor heat if I lived up north. I learned recently and thought it was interesting - a properly made masonry heater with all the channels in it burning wood is the most efficient heater on the planet if you really wanna be green. Small fire then it radiates heat all day long! But, no one looks at the facts. A masonry heater burns wood which has the least amount of total energy in it from start to finish compared to the other fuels. But, they still push heat pumps because the left’s ultimate goal is to make everyone poor and not own anything so they can have more control.
Why get rid of what would be an awesome back up heating system you can run that off a small generator if you had to. I live in up state ny about 1 mile from Canadian border I got three ways to heat my house.
When our former President comes back to office he will change his mind an switch back to oil. LOL I'm thinking here why doesn't he just leave it all hooked up just incase you know.
We need to know how much power cost over there. How much is it per kWh to buy power from the utility? Natural gas...per BTU or CuFt or is it available? Oil cost? I can't imagine a solar system being much of a choice in the forest areas, mountain cabins etc. What are people thinking? All of this is old news, decades ago they determined which heating system was best for the residence. I guess some folks failed to graduate high school. Solar or Geothermal systems are not free so the cost to install those applies big time to the total cost/savings details.
"Dartmouth man dies of exposure". "Police are investigating a Dartmouth man that apparently committed suicide by freezing to death. Police investigators came to this conclusion after a full investigation showed that he had apparently turned off his gas heat and cut all the lines".
Hydronic is more comfortable, for sure. Its all comes down to electric rates vs oil, interest rates and size of the house. I suspect in this case, the homeowner will never recover their install cost vs oil. Electric rates aren't cheap in MA
And if they're looking for environmentally friendly, they can run B100 biodiesel, there are companies that deliver it in MA. My mother's house uses B100 for heat, it burns clean and doesn't leave soot. It costs less than #2 oil. No modifications required to run it in an oil burner, just fill the oil tank and that's it.
I had a temporary hot water heater in my house during my boiler upgrade. It was over $100 a month in electric and it was summer time when I dont even take really hot showers.
Steve has to do what the owner wants. I think it will make it harder to sell the house. But it will be interesting to see how well geo thermal works on very cold days.
If I was that homeowner I would leave the boiler as is until it needs to be replace or convert from oil to gas. Save a lot on money when switching to gas and the house will definitely will stay warm.
Some times it feels like we just need a change, and don't want to put up with Oil and its hassle, smell, and worrying about tank leaks. But anything Geo sounds expensive, and has a lot of up front cost. I don't have any experience with Geo and don't know anyone that has it to see if it can heat a house in severe MA weather. We do live in a pretty cold climate here in winter. At times we sometimes have a few days of near 0 oF, and often with windchill that is below 0 oF. Thank God that is only sometimes it is very severe and not all the time. Anyhow, our Oil heat has done a great job for us for over three decades. If we had natural gas, I would have converted to natural gas even though it may have other issues, just to get rid of the Oil tank and Oil hassle we have been dealing with over the years. Another option around us has been palette stoves. Our friend has it, but it is always too hot in their house, and every few days they shut it down and clean it. And let's not talk about storing palette bags, and keep filling the palette stove. With our Oil Boiler, if we need extra heat we just turn up the thermostat. We pay for it, but it works.
Have you considered using biofuel, B100? It doesn't require any modifications to run in your system, just get it delivered and fill the tank. Doesn't smell, burns clean. For the tank get a Roth tank put in, it's double walled and contains leaks.
Steven, i think it's a bad idea to remove the heaters cause it's gonna de value the home. It's always better to have the options. If the oil price drops he's gonna be regretting his decisions.
Electric heat still has major deficiencies in cold weather. Down south where i live, we are experiencing the occasional single digit temperatures, along with snow, some areas just freezing rain, that we see just a few times a winter. And the power companies are already talking about stress on the grid. Because half of our heating down here is by heat pump, and in order for it to keep up, everyone is having to run the AUX electric resistance heat on top of it longer.
Those heat strips typically pull 3.5-5 kw each too. An average heater pack with two strips is pulling 20 amps while it’s running. You could set up an entire 2 stage furnace oil or gas and run it on 20 amps(sometimes 15) and actually get reliable and quick heat year-round as opposed to the struggles a heat pump with heat strips creates in cold weather. You just can’t beat combustion for that fast and toasty heat.
Proverbs 26:4-5 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. The self-confident fool thinks too highly of himself and his opinions, and he shares them freely. How should a wise person deal with him?
Anyone else want to rip out their base board and trash their boiler for a shitty heat pump? Wait until it breaks down and the inverter compressor take 3 weeks back ordered and has to run on straight resistance heat. Should have kept the old system in tact....
I have a 23kw slantfin boiler for my hydroponic floor heat. 4000 sq ft concrete slab in PA. Was fine at first had a residential heat RH meter rate was 1/2 after 10 years they pulled the rate and now I have a standard rate. Bills we’re getting higher and higher. So I bought a 10 thousand pound soapstone mass heater from Canada installed it in March. Now I call the boiler Stone Cold. And the heater the Big Hot Rock. One fire a day 50 lbs of wood burns up I one hour and the place is toasty. Currently 9 degrees here and it’s bare foot comfort…..wood is free as I have acreage saved 2700 on electricity first three months…..
Electric strips in your area of the country? What does Mr. Green think is used to generate that electricity? There's a reason why big houses in New England were built with oil boilers.
I cut myself with my grinder a few years ago, not a bad cut. But it was a wide cut since the disc was wide making it a little longer to regenerate than say a razor blade cut. I can still see on my finger where it was. So yes, you do not want to get cut with a grinding disc.
I never had one disk break on me ether till 1 did hit me in the belly did not cut my shirt but I was bleeding from it dam that hurt you never know worked with them for 50 years before it happened
My neighbor has been trying to get me to go with the solar panels on the roof. He is saving a lot on his electric bill. But he needs roof repairs or it replaced. The solar panel company wants 5,000 dollars to remove and install the panels. That is nuts. I would have to pay for a roof and the panels too. Nope not me
Snow and sub-zero temperatures for 4 days here in Chicago. The solar dumb dumb homes down my block still have many of their panels blocked with snow. Funny that snow isn’t effecting my gas furnace one little bit.
@@chatrkat yep, natural gas most efficient cost wise. I can easily wire up my generator if needed to the furnace which uses minimal power. How about those electric cars? Don't people realize batteries won't work in those temps?
I'm saving the planet with natural gas 96% efficiency furnace!! Although, all I care about, is saving myself money! Plus, since u lost 60 lbs, I feel colder now, than I ever did. I didn't realize, that I was speaking truth, when I said, my overweightness was my natural furnace. I'll never go back to being overweight. The highest I weighed was 335 lbs and now weigh 225 lbs.
The guy obviously has more money than brains, already complaining the electric water heater is running out of hot water and wants to leave the boiler just in case the new system fails.
I'm not sure I'd knock a customer for a decision he made, he is the one that will live with the consequences, you made good money on the service call regardless. If he watched this video, he probably will not call you back to restart his old oil heater.
Steve should keep in touch with this customer and monitor how "improved" all goes being 100% electric. My guess his electric bill will go up drastically and the heat BTU's will decrease.
He should double what insulation he now has and then invite as many migrants as he can to live with him for their body heat….. Everything will be fine…
I have all electric with a newer mr cool heat pump works even in indiana cold weather was -11 the other day still producing heat but is expensive as hell would much rather be gas and electric but didnt have gas when i moved in back in 08 guy is nuts for going backwards
The only Green that's going is the money in his wallet!
Disabling a beautiful multi-zone hydronic system, with a good Burnham cast iron boiler, to now rely on a goofy geothermal system, and electric baseboard units in a far northeastern state? Let’s see how warm the house is when it’s been -15F for a week. Then just wait until that geothermal heat stops on a Sunday in subzero temperatures, and nobody has parts to repair it immediately.
you clearly have no clue what you are talking about
It will be toasty. Read up on it
So now the green heat is coal powerd.....
around here (where steve is) there's maybe 1 day a year it would go below 0.
@@ntsecrets definitely not like that near Chicago. A week back there were two days my normally very capable 120,000 BTU gas furnace ran almost continuously to maintain.
Give the customer what he wants.
Oh what a rude awakening this guy is going to have
The guy sounds old. I calculate his break- even point on the cost of the geothermal will be 37 years after he's dead. 😂
But that new "system" won't last five years. It's all complete garbage.
Company I have used for over 30 years at work had guy named Earl that was a mechanical savant. When Earl showed up it was because other guys needed technical help. Earl would walk in and look at something for 3 minutes an go, Here's your problem. He could be frustrating because he could be 5 min from finishing but it was 11:59 and it was lunch time. Take off for an hour. He owned a bowling ally and had it set up for geo. His heating and cooling bills were almost non existent. He passed a couple years back. Odd duck but friendly and so smart. Thanks for video Steven!
Guy really drank to Kool-Aid.
A fool and his money are soon parted. Take his money Steve 😂
Yep get rich on it and retire when the stupidity gets to thick.
Dudes probably got plenty of it if he can afford a geothermal system and the rest of that stuff.
@@AlexanderWaylonStupidity? Like not knowing the difference between “to” and “ too”?
Liberalism is a major mental disorder!!!
Chopping it all out. Save the parts Steve. My bet is that in a year, you will be making a video on putting it all back.
😂
oh that poor doggo......hes like TAKE ME STEVE!!!! Let me hang with Molly
Yes that would be great to see! 😊
people who use those geothermal systems have houses that are built extremely insulated even the basements it will be crazy expensive to run that on an old house with poor insulataion.
He sounds like a teacher/professor
The faster people like that spend their money the better.
Steve telling the loony lefty guy that he feels sorry for the dog for because he named it after Biden.. Lol!
Oil ain't cheap...
When you said hes a big time left winger.. i knew you were thinking : you cant fix stupid.
How come he didn't just put in an electric boiler? This stupidity takes the cake. FJB.
Call the guy next week when the temps are single digits and ask him if his balls are still hiding in his stomach because it’s so cold. I hope he calls you back to reconnect and install new baseboards. You could give him your Massachusetts rebate!
Baseboard next to a duct hilarious..
Geothermal? $60,000?!?!?! That’s insanity!!!! I can add on to my house for that or build a nice garage! I’d probably go with radiant floor heat if I lived up north. I learned recently and thought it was interesting - a properly made masonry heater with all the channels in it burning wood is the most efficient heater on the planet if you really wanna be green. Small fire then it radiates heat all day long! But, no one looks at the facts. A masonry heater burns wood which has the least amount of total energy in it from start to finish compared to the other fuels. But, they still push heat pumps because the left’s ultimate goal is to make everyone poor and not own anything so they can have more control.
you would think he could just shut it off and try the other system in coldest weather without the boiler running
Why get rid of what would be an awesome back up heating system you can run that off a small generator if you had to. I live in up state ny about 1 mile from Canadian border I got three ways to heat my house.
I think He is Crazy to want Electric Heat.
Let's go Brandon logic
When our former President comes back to office he will change his mind an switch back to oil. LOL I'm thinking here why doesn't he just leave it all hooked up just incase you know.
We need to know how much power cost over there. How much is it per kWh to buy power from the utility? Natural gas...per BTU or CuFt or is it available? Oil cost? I can't imagine a solar system being much of a choice in the forest areas, mountain cabins etc. What are people thinking? All of this is old news, decades ago they determined which heating system was best for the residence. I guess some folks failed to graduate high school. Solar or Geothermal systems are not free so the cost to install those applies big time to the total cost/savings details.
This guy is in for a world of hurt. I live in the area and worked in HVAC for 40 yrs
This is really nuts. Nothing better than baseboard heat. What a shame.
@@Jessedog11 Is this new? Is there a place I can read up on it?
This guy's got money to burn MaMa!
“Stupid is as stupid does” Tell him he has to pay BIT tax (Biden inflation tax)
Cults gonna cult.
A fool and his money are soon parted. He's going to miss that hot water heat. Ten times better than Geo Thermal.
"Dartmouth man dies of exposure". "Police are investigating a Dartmouth man that apparently committed suicide by freezing to death. Police investigators came to this conclusion after a full investigation showed that he had apparently turned off his gas heat and cut all the lines".
Geothermal has been around a long time. It's proven technology.
Spots and stripes, give the customer what they want.
You can't tell me that electric heat will be as good as a oil unit. Ain't no freaking way.
It'll be more expensive that's for sure.
Hydronic is more comfortable, for sure. Its all comes down to electric rates vs oil, interest rates and size of the house. I suspect in this case, the homeowner will never recover their install cost vs oil. Electric rates aren't cheap in MA
And if they're looking for environmentally friendly, they can run B100 biodiesel, there are companies that deliver it in MA. My mother's house uses B100 for heat, it burns clean and doesn't leave soot. It costs less than #2 oil. No modifications required to run it in an oil burner, just fill the oil tank and that's it.
When the polar vortex hits, he'll wind up looking like Jack in the maze from the Shining.
Theyre laughing hard in China
No... They're laughing hard in the counting houses.
I had a temporary hot water heater in my house during my boiler upgrade. It was over $100 a month in electric and it was summer time when I dont even take really hot showers.
"poor dog named him after that dumb dumb" 😂
Steve has to do what the owner wants. I think it will make it harder to sell the house. But it will be interesting to see how well geo thermal works on very cold days.
Dum-dums up here in Canada are trying to get people on heat pumps. Ya right....
He said he wants to keep the boiler just in case, then why rip out the radiators? Doesn't make any sense.
If I was that homeowner I would leave the boiler as is until it needs to be replace or convert from oil to gas. Save a lot on money when switching to gas and the house will definitely will stay warm.
Some times it feels like we just need a change, and don't want to put up with Oil and its hassle, smell, and worrying about tank leaks. But anything Geo sounds expensive, and has a lot of up front cost. I don't have any experience with Geo and don't know anyone that has it to see if it can heat a house in severe MA weather. We do live in a pretty cold climate here in winter. At times we sometimes have a few days of near 0 oF, and often with windchill that is below 0 oF. Thank God that is only sometimes it is very severe and not all the time. Anyhow, our Oil heat has done a great job for us for over three decades. If we had natural gas, I would have converted to natural gas even though it may have other issues, just to get rid of the Oil tank and Oil hassle we have been dealing with over the years. Another option around us has been palette stoves. Our friend has it, but it is always too hot in their house, and every few days they shut it down and clean it. And let's not talk about storing palette bags, and keep filling the palette stove. With our Oil Boiler, if we need extra heat we just turn up the thermostat. We pay for it, but it works.
Have you considered using biofuel, B100? It doesn't require any modifications to run in your system, just get it delivered and fill the tank. Doesn't smell, burns clean. For the tank get a Roth tank put in, it's double walled and contains leaks.
Good little dog no barking or anything
You'll be back to replace everything. Hi to Miss Molly
That was stupid to destroy that hydronic system
Steven, i think it's a bad idea to remove the heaters cause it's gonna de value the home. It's always better to have the options. If the oil price drops he's gonna be regretting his decisions.
People want to waste their hard earned money let them at least your getting some
Nice addition to your scrap pile.
Must have cost him $75k for the geothermal…. Nuts…
Electric heat still has major deficiencies in cold weather. Down south where i live, we are experiencing the occasional single digit temperatures, along with snow, some areas just freezing rain, that we see just a few times a winter. And the power companies are already talking about stress on the grid. Because half of our heating down here is by heat pump, and in order for it to keep up, everyone is having to run the AUX electric resistance heat on top of it longer.
My heat pump has been AUX mode for the last two nights. I do miss the gas furnace on nights like this.
Heat Strips. One big giant toaster oven. $$$$$$$$$$
Those heat strips typically pull 3.5-5 kw each too. An average heater pack with two strips is pulling 20 amps while it’s running. You could set up an entire 2 stage furnace oil or gas and run it on 20 amps(sometimes 15) and actually get reliable and quick heat year-round as opposed to the struggles a heat pump with heat strips creates in cold weather. You just can’t beat combustion for that fast and toasty heat.
Same here. Our sub division has no provisions for natural gas either. It's all electric heat pumps which absolutely suck in freezing temps.
the green in going green is the money you waste on inefficient crap
Proverbs 26:4-5 - Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. The self-confident fool thinks too highly of himself and his opinions, and he shares them freely. How should a wise person deal with him?
Anyone else want to rip out their base board and trash their boiler for a shitty heat pump? Wait until it breaks down and the inverter compressor take 3 weeks back ordered and has to run on straight resistance heat. Should have kept the old system in tact....
Oh no sorry, we discontinued that inverter.
When?
About 6 months before we stopped selling that model heat pump.
I have a 23kw slantfin boiler for my hydroponic floor heat. 4000 sq ft concrete slab in PA. Was fine at first had a residential heat RH meter rate was 1/2 after 10 years they pulled the rate and now I have a standard rate. Bills we’re getting higher and higher. So I bought a 10 thousand pound soapstone mass heater from Canada installed it in March. Now I call the boiler Stone Cold. And the heater the Big Hot Rock. One fire a day 50 lbs of wood burns up I one hour and the place is toasty. Currently 9 degrees here and it’s bare foot comfort…..wood is free as I have acreage saved 2700 on electricity first three months…..
Electric strips in your area of the country? What does Mr. Green think is used to generate that electricity? There's a reason why big houses in New England were built with oil boilers.
I cut myself with my grinder a few years ago, not a bad cut. But it was a wide cut since the disc was wide making it a little longer to regenerate than say a razor blade cut. I can still see on my finger where it was. So yes, you do not want to get cut with a grinding disc.
I cut my finger with one too and the scare is there to prove it
These people watch CNN and believe everything they hear. Unbelievable.
I was about to ask Steve to sneak a peek at his living room. Guaranteed CNN blasting away on the TV..
Must be nice to be wealthy to go green
Yeah, I'm still waiting for the abundant cheap green electricity, and the well paying 'green' jobs.
"Green" doesn't exist. It's all a scam.
I never had one disk break on me ether till 1 did hit me in the belly did not cut my shirt but I was bleeding from it dam that hurt you never know worked with them for 50 years before it happened
My neighbor has been trying to get me to go with the solar panels on the roof. He is saving a lot on his electric bill. But he needs roof repairs or it replaced. The solar panel company wants 5,000 dollars to remove and install the panels. That is nuts. I would have to pay for a roof and the panels too. Nope not me
My neighbor has solar. When the power went out, the batteries were not working. He came to borrow my generator.
@@carlzirkthat’s when it becomes a rental. 😁
Snow and sub-zero temperatures for 4 days here in Chicago. The solar dumb dumb homes down my block still have many of their panels blocked with snow. Funny that snow isn’t effecting my gas furnace one little bit.
@@chatrkatyeah, luckily the generator has a low oil shut off, so it shouldn't get ruined
@@chatrkat yep, natural gas most efficient cost wise. I can easily wire up my generator if needed to the furnace which uses minimal power.
How about those electric cars? Don't people realize batteries won't work in those temps?
BUT HE'S PAYING YOU !!! TELL EM SPEND IT ALL !!!
guy has like 10 bathrooms in one hallway...
Instead up using a measuring tape to hold up the baseboard while cutting, you’re better off using your wallet. It’s a lot thicker! 😂
“I feel bad for the dog.” I laughed out loud! 😂
Steve's the greatest
I hope the customer reads these comments.
glad to see you agree with me about going everything Electric, electric rates are high
Go green lose green as they say
I'm saving the planet with natural gas 96% efficiency furnace!! Although, all I care about, is saving myself money! Plus, since u lost 60 lbs, I feel colder now, than I ever did. I didn't realize, that I was speaking truth, when I said, my overweightness was my natural furnace. I'll never go back to being overweight. The highest I weighed was 335 lbs and now weigh
225 lbs.
Raise the humidity in the house it will feel warmer, at least 45%
Nice project there. Thanks for filming! Crazy Joe and his whacky owner.
What a nice house well maintained. Why did he have to f**k with everything. 😢
You will be back!
Howdy Steve and Molly
The guy obviously has more money than brains, already complaining the electric water heater is running out of hot water and wants to leave the boiler just in case the new system fails.
Thankyou steve 😊
HE'S KOO KOO !! RICH WITH NOTHING TO DO.
Wait till he tries to sell that house
he is crazy steve
I'm not sure I'd knock a customer for a decision he made, he is the one that will live with the consequences, you made good money on the service call regardless. If he watched this video, he probably will not call you back to restart his old oil heater.
Steve should keep in touch with this customer and monitor how "improved" all goes being 100% electric. My guess his electric bill will go up drastically and the heat BTU's will decrease.
The customer is always right😅
Save the planet, one person at a time😂
He should double what insulation he now has and then invite as many migrants as he can to live with him for their body heat….. Everything will be fine…
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again ya’ll. 👍👍
At least still have the boiler if comes to senses.
when the power goes out a small generater would run that old system. Wouldn't want to lose power now.
as always love the content steve Keep it up man. Im a tech from Mass. sorry you got to deal with RI drivers. stay warm out there bud!
Seems like a crazy thing to do on an economic perspective!
I have all electric with a newer mr cool heat pump works even in indiana cold weather was -11 the other day still producing heat but is expensive as hell would much rather be gas and electric but didnt have gas when i moved in back in 08 guy is nuts for going backwards
Mine runs around 500 a month when its super cold and 350 on a normal month
A lot of sunshine is going on overthere😂
Electric heating gona bite his bank balance Steven must have plenty cash that clown madman
only green i want to see is money in my pocket!
150 gallons gets us through the winter here in VA.. I just wish it was .99 cents a gallon loll lol
It's been a while since I've been on your channel. Steve, how's that new truck treating you? How many miles you got on her now?
electricity if generated using either coal, gas or oil, anyway.
Why is he taken it out steve good backup system?
"how am i sposed to cut the pipe..." I dont know haahhaha
You can't fix stupid.
Hello Steve!
The next person that buys a house will convert it back to oil or gas