@@lemming9984 Every Rush fan in the world suddenly perks up their ears and rush this thread. No! Alex is the most underrated. Alex! Poor Alex! Honestly, I love Alex, but I grow weary of hearing that he's underrated. Let's give Rothery his turn.
This is Fish at his best lyrically Forgotten Sons is equal. I’ve always viewed this song as the mirror to Incubus which is also stunning in every way possible.
I've always heard this as a song about suicide by drowning - 'fished her out of the Old Father' meaning the River Thames, which runs past Chelsea in London, UK. There's another Genesis connection with Dancing with the Moonlit Knight - 'a note he left was signed Old Father Thames - it seems he's drowned'.
More about a broken country girl who realized she spent more time to dream her perfect life than living her actual one. So yes the talking part and the final "what a waste" implied she couldn't bear it and drowned herself. A nod to Genesis indeed, and strangely a close introducing thematic you can find later in their album Brave (1994) too.
Evening, Justin. Dave from The Old Haunt. I think this Chelsea is a place in London, about four miles from where I live. The King's Road, Chelsea was fashionable in the 60s and 70s. Wannabe actress seeks a sugar Daddy in his Ford Capri (sports car popular back then). Is then fished out of the River Thames (The Old Father). Sounds like an episode of The Sweeney (a UK cop show back then). I kinda liked the song, especially the guitar near the end that sounds like Michael Holmes from IQ - both bands started at a similar time. P.S. my song ref The Old Haunt is by The Dear Hunter.
Great track. Justin, after listening to "Forgotten Sons", attack directly with their second album, the dark Fugazi which sees the arrival of drummer Ian Mosley who took the band to another level !
@@Katehowe3010 I've never cared about Fish's painted face (a secondary element to me), I'm talking about musical content and for me Marillion stops at Fugazi (or let's say their next album, the live Real to Reel).
14:33 Justin, I don't think Chelsea is a person in this song, it's a location. Chelsea is an affluent part of London. It is home to many aspiring actors who are impatient to break into showbusiness -- if they could only get their break. This is a sad story about a girl who couldn't muster the courage to face rejection and contemplates ending it all.
Great debut album. I remember when i just saw the cover in the record shop when it was released i thought : this looks intersting, i have to listen to it, and instantly bought it. My favorite song is still "Script for a yesters tear", but in the end all songs are great. Saw them also 2 times live with Fish, "Misplaced Childhood" and "Cluting at Straws" tour.
Excellent track! You can break it down as much as you want but this album in 1983 had a “feel” to like nothing else in that era. “Script” took so many of us to the next level of Prog where things like ABACAB, for example, could not. Maybe that doesn’t shine through in 2022 but it was a big deal to think this band could help move Prog forward.
@@Katehowe3010 sounds right. Drama, Scary Monsters, ABACAB, etc yet this was the album (my group of friends anyway) that sounded like the forward step. Marillion also kept going through with 3 more great albums in the 80’s right up until the split with Fish.
@@Katehowe3010 I would argue that they grew into an even better band with Hogarth. Not an opinion shared by many I know but albums like Brave and Marbles raised the bar in my view.
@@Katehowe3010 they are like a while different project with Steve versus Fish. Almost should have changed the name but I do think of them as Phase 1 and Phase 2 so I don’t feel disloyal to the Scotsman.
On the where to go next question I'd vote for the latest, An Hour Before It's Dark, you've seen where they started, so seeing where they are now seems a good next step before circling back to other earlier efforts.
Where to go next? Well, I see no reason not to do the albums in order of release... I'm a big fan of seeing the progression over time being experienced linearly. ;-] My favorite album, if I had to pick one, is 1985's 'Misplaced Childhood'. When you get to that one, I'm sure I won't be the only one recommending that you listen to the whole of side A in one shot. Indeed, it would be perfect for a Saturday morning. ;-]
@@Katehowe3010 BOTH ERAS are good. I actually like Seasons End and Fear. Afraid Of Sunlight, is good. Clutching At Straws, is My favourite Album. Easter, My favourite Track.🎸🎸🎸🎸
@@Katehowe3010 Each to their own.... I prefer Gabriel Era Genesis, to Collins Era. Fish is a better Singer than H, lMO. And both are good Lyricists. Fish was still with The Band during Seasons End early recording. Who else do You like ?
Thank you for listening to one of my favourite Marillion tracks. I remember alerting you to it over a year ago LOL. I was sure you'd like it and... I guess I was right. I am convinced we share _some_ musical tastes :) A good track you may care to try is "Morpheus" from Rothery's album "The Ghosts of Pripyat". An instrumental where Hackett (Genesis) joins Rothery!
Great review - always good to see the reaction on your face as the song progresses! As for where to go next, why not just work your way through the 3 remaining Fish albums: Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching At Straws? They get progressively better (pun intended!), and you won't be disappointed. Their post-Fish works have never really grabbed me, but if you continue through their catalogue, maybe we'll both become fans?
Another great track from the Script album! Still, Marillion improves a lot on the next, when Ian Mosley takes charge of the drums. Quite an improvement!
Chelsea is an area in London. The "old father" is referring to the Thames - the river that flows through London. However it happened, the girl is fished, dead, from its waters so yes, it is a very sad song.
Clutching at Straws is where they refined their early sound with maturity and confidence, and wrote very personal lyrics. The opening medley especially.
Really enjoyed your reaction to this - 2024 - it’s certainly a punch to the gut song on this great debut. The romantic poetry and cutting spittle and venom weave throughout just like Steve Rothery’s guitar. and that bass too! Great track - great reaction
This track is in my top 10 tracks ever - one of my Desert Island discs. As you say, it has everything. I must have heard it 1000 times plus over the years, but when it goes into the lead solos the hairs still stand up on my neck For me Chelsea relates to the area of London rather than a person it’s just another Monday in Chelsea
Absolutely the best song on the album. The lyrics were poetic. Much thought was put into writing this song. The music was tremendous. Yes, the bass line entry catches the attention. Reminds me of old Genesis and I also was thinking of Steve Hackett. Great reaction!! Just subscribed.
As you read it back, I got the line, that she was an exotic dancer. She wont get applause for lines But the story is way darker, the old father is the Thames River. She either was killed, died, or committed suicide.
Think this is my favorit early marillion song - The Guitarre is so emotional, the song got a more simple struktur than most tracks on this first record, but it all works so great together.
WHAT DID I TELL YOU?!! What did I say about this track?!! I KNEW you’d love it!!! That melting guitar solo is SO expressive, SO emotional 🖤. I was over-the-moon excited to see the thumbnail 👍🏻 YES!!! FINALLY!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Thanks Justin! Great review! I had the exact same interpretation of the lyrics as you did. Chelsea is a district in London, England, perhaps it’s where she “works”?
On an unrelated note, I just came across a comment I made on an unboxing video back in June of last year where I predicted Justin would have to move out. Of course at the time I thought it would be because he ran out of space from all the stuff we sent him.
This album was to me a fantastic revelation in 1983. When all the big prog bands like Yes, Genesis or ELP became pop, Marillion save the prog genre with beautiful epic songs, powerful guitar solos and a amazing storyteller singer.
I saw Marrilion support Jethro Tull at Nostell Priory, in Wakefield UK in 1982. I had their ep Market Square Hero's, the b side was Grendel, which is my favourite track of theirs. Grendel is from the Anglo-Saxon epic poem Beowulf from somewhere between the year 700 and 1000.
You WILL love the next album "Fugazi" which is my personal favourite. As this song is a musical bridge between the very early Garden Party / She knows / Grendel section and the Fugazi songs (Jigsaw, Incubus, Fugazi and more). Enjoy :)
I prefer the Fish (classic) period and recommend either "Sugar Mice" from "Clutching at Straws' - a devastating piece about alchoholism - or "Fugazi" (title track) - a song about the state of the world. Great reaction Justin.
Fantastic song and also for me it's the best of the album, where to continue? here I send to you 100 votes for "Misplaced Childhood", my absolute top 1 Marillion album.
Great song again, quite dramatic. Fish has a way with writing poetic words. A different look on ordinary things if you will. This song has a quite some atmosphere around it. Steve Rothery shines on this one. But I think the bass has a lot of impact as well. Love it! Where to next? You could go for a few years following the releases. In fact I always liked Fugazi more than this album. And Misplaced Childhood is their album to "stardom" but I think my vote would go to Marbles. There are some very, very fine songs on that album. Not to be missed! In fact, you already played Ocean Cloud and The Invisible Man from that album. Continue on with that one, it's a winner for sure!
Nice reaction 👍🏻 The part at the end 'she's only dreaming' is used in their track with the longest title: 'If my heart were a ball it would roll uphill' . Great track imo.
This is all great but IMHO in Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws is where they really go out of their comfort zone and and deliver two absolute masterpieces.
You've finally hit a great Marillion track. Great storytelling. Life in the tawdry demimonde of 1970's and 1980's London. You would often see girls like the character in this song appearing in small roles on TV shows, or in films, also glamour modelling and appearing on the arms of rock stars or gangsters of the time. It didn't always end well.
Really enjoying your reviews. A great idea after completing Marillion's first album would be to contrast this with their latest album, released this year, An Hour Before It's Dark. Different singer of course as Fish was replaced with Steve Hogarth in 1989. Ian Mosley also became the drummer in time for their second Album in 1983 and the rest of the lineup hasn't changed since. They obviously have a much fresher sound but still keeping to their prog roots with some very relevant and current subject matter. All the tracks from the new album are available on You Tube via Marillion's Official Channel. Would love to know what you make of this. Whatever you decide to go for you're in for a bit of a ride! Keep up the great work!
As a bass player, it is my favorite on this album! So many Genesis references here as well. My favorite album by them by far is “Clutching at Straws” would love if you checked it out! The metaphors in “Warm Wet Circles” is amazing
I remember the huge shock when this came out , at a time when prog was swiped away by the punk 1977 phenomenon, and for all instances, dead as a genre. Ironically, the very first fans were punks who wanted a more musical venting of their numerous frustrations and Marillion fit the bill perfectly.
I remember that period in a totally different way! I was 16 in 1976, and just ignored Punk as I wasn't interested. There was still a healthy prog scene (with maybe a couple of the 'greats' making lack-lustre albums). I didn't know anyone who thought Prog was done for - apart from those hacks in NME, MM etc who knew nothing about music anyway...
@@lemming9984 I think that the word TOTALLY is a matter of opinion, as from 1977 to the arrival of Marillion, as well as Pallas, IQ, Twelfth Night, and Pendragon kept the flicker going (note mostly UK bands). Prog could not fill arenas anymore (Olympic stadium gigs by ELP and Floyd in Montreal were the final sputtering of fame, as an example) and there was a definite lull for a few years , so I guess the word healthy is open to debate. I ignored punk as well, yet the pickings were slim as compared to the "glory days" and the huge and ongoing prog scene since the mid-80s. As far as the media is concerned, you are 100% correct, they still choose to ignore this genre. to this day.
"I woke up, it was a Chelsea Morning..." An early Joni Mitchell hit. I almost wonder if it is about Joni. edited to add that having heard more of the lyrics maybe not Joni.
I believe that Chelsea Morning was one of the influences for Chelsea Monday. The former is a very upbeat, optimistic, bright song. The latter is the mirror image.
My favorite song on this album. Steve Rothery does not just play he speaks with his guitar. It gets even better after this record with the addition of Ian Mosley on the drums, and later with Steve Hogarth, who while not better is quite different in his singing and writing. You should listen to 'Season's End' next, a very topical tune! Peace & Love.
Nice reaction! Really Great band! And personally I was shaped by the first four albums during the Fish years. Check out "Grendl" an early very long great piece! And check out the album Clutching at Straws, try "Sugar Mice".
Great song. One of my favorites. Rothery's gem and those lyrics and vocals from Fish. JP, why didn't you pick live version. Chaelsea Monday and Forgotten sons are faaar better live, and Marillion sounds live perfectly great. Even Thames river part live by Fish is better. "Script..." album's production wasn't the best. Looking forward Fugazi stuff...
The story of the song is about a young woman who dreams of being an actress, but doesn't dare to take the steps to become one. This ultimately drives her to drown herself in the Thames. Not a happy song!
Nektar was interesting because I hadn't heard them before. This was rehashed Hackettisms meeting Rushist Caress of Steelisms with the 2 Peters H&G at their most theatrically tuneless annoyingly monotonously monologue -ey. But I listened and I'm proud of myself. Fish makes me slightly queasy, but I'll always listen. I'll always listen. I'll always... "Lean" ????? !! Should've been 5 tops. This is why Abacab HAD to BE Made. Things couldn't carry on like this. That Boat had sailed.
Leave my thoughts? Okay. I might be the only person on this channel who doesn’t like Marillion. To me, this was a sleepy song and I especially didn’t care for the singing or the tone of the guitar. The music itself and performance didn’t excite me either. ⭐️
How many Marillion albums have you listened to before you came to this verdict? Genesis was already becoming a pop band and this isn’t a pop song; it’s a progrock song.
@@HippoYnYGlaw I say that Marillion is a great prog rock band. So many great albums. Their latest album is epic. Of course you can have a different opinion. Taste and preferences are very personal.
Another 8 minute job, and a plodding ballad at that🥱 Low energy, and uninteresting, to my ear at least. The geet solo sounded like it may take it somewhere, but then petered out all too quickly. PS JP, a couple of dozen out of 21k have requested more... Do the maths, and don't be in a rush to return to this lot when this's over, there's a good fellow. So, so many more bands out there. Again, just sayin' 🙂
Steve Rothery is one of the most underrated guitarists of all time.
Very much like Hackett. Love them both 😃😃🤘🏼🤘🏼
Agreed. Steve puts so much feel to each note!
Oh no, the 'U' word again!
@@lemming9984 Every Rush fan in the world suddenly perks up their ears and rush this thread. No! Alex is the most underrated. Alex! Poor Alex! Honestly, I love Alex, but I grow weary of hearing that he's underrated. Let's give Rothery his turn.
Steve Rothery was still amazing I went to see Marillion in Blackburn llast Sunday they sang Sugar Mice and the guitar solo amazing!
This is Fish at his best lyrically Forgotten Sons is equal. I’ve always viewed this song as the mirror to Incubus which is also stunning in every way possible.
I've always heard this as a song about suicide by drowning - 'fished her out of the Old Father' meaning the River Thames, which runs past Chelsea in London, UK. There's another Genesis connection with Dancing with the Moonlit Knight - 'a note he left was signed Old Father Thames - it seems he's drowned'.
More about a broken country girl who realized she spent more time to dream her perfect life than living her actual one. So yes the talking part and the final "what a waste" implied she couldn't bear it and drowned herself.
A nod to Genesis indeed, and strangely a close introducing thematic you can find later in their album Brave (1994) too.
"Clutching At Straws" is their best album. "Misplaced Childhood" is great, as well.
Yes, CAS is their best with Fish!
Ye man
I love Clutching At Straws...Best Album.
Like Fish Era best.
Both Eras good !!!
Misplaced Childhood is fantastic; with some outstanding lyrics, but yes; to me, Clutching at Straws is the best of both eras.
There's some great tracks on Fugazi..
Chelsea Monday is probably my favourite Marillion song. There's a live version even better than this studio one.
Evening, Justin. Dave from The Old Haunt. I think this Chelsea is a place in London, about four miles from where I live. The King's Road, Chelsea was fashionable in the 60s and 70s. Wannabe actress seeks a sugar Daddy in his Ford Capri (sports car popular back then). Is then fished out of the River Thames (The Old Father). Sounds like an episode of The Sweeney (a UK cop show back then).
I kinda liked the song, especially the guitar near the end that sounds like Michael Holmes from IQ - both bands started at a similar time.
P.S. my song ref The Old Haunt is by The Dear Hunter.
Episode of The Sweeney is exactly how I've always thought of this song.
Great track. Justin, after listening to "Forgotten Sons", attack directly with their second album, the dark Fugazi which sees the arrival of drummer Ian Mosley who took the band to another level !
@@Katehowe3010 With the boring Steve Hogarth... no way!
@@Katehowe3010 I've never cared about Fish's painted face (a secondary element to me), I'm talking about musical content and for me Marillion stops at Fugazi (or let's say their next album, the live Real to Reel).
@@Katehowe3010 I agree 😉🤝
I was stabbed by Fish in Forgotton Sons in Lancaster Sugarhouse in 1981.
@@a.k.1740 boring, you having a laugh?
14:33 Justin, I don't think Chelsea is a person in this song, it's a location. Chelsea is an affluent part of London. It is home to many aspiring actors who are impatient to break into showbusiness -- if they could only get their break. This is a sad story about a girl who couldn't muster the courage to face rejection and contemplates ending it all.
It’s a person.
Fish's way of delivering the story and Rothery giving that rather ethereal sombre background atmosphere. It's brilliant.
Great debut album. I remember when i just saw the cover in the record shop when it was released i thought : this looks intersting, i have to listen to it, and instantly bought it. My favorite song is still "Script for a yesters tear", but in the end all songs are great.
Saw them also 2 times live with Fish, "Misplaced Childhood" and "Cluting at Straws" tour.
Love this song too, one of my favourite of all of marillions Songs!
Excellent track! You can break it down as much as you want but this album in 1983 had a “feel” to like nothing else in that era. “Script” took so many of us to the next level of Prog where things like ABACAB, for example, could not. Maybe that doesn’t shine through in 2022 but it was a big deal to think this band could help move Prog forward.
Stephen Pesta I refer to this as the Second Wave of Prog.
@@Katehowe3010 Yeah, that's what it was called back in the day ! 😉
@@Katehowe3010 sounds right. Drama, Scary Monsters, ABACAB, etc yet this was the album (my group of friends anyway) that sounded like the forward step. Marillion also kept going through with 3 more great albums in the 80’s right up until the split with Fish.
@@Katehowe3010 I would argue that they grew into an even better band with Hogarth. Not an opinion shared by many I know but albums like Brave and Marbles raised the bar in my view.
@@Katehowe3010 they are like a while different project with Steve versus Fish. Almost should have changed the name but I do think of them as Phase 1 and Phase 2 so I don’t feel disloyal to the Scotsman.
On the where to go next question I'd vote for the latest, An Hour Before It's Dark, you've seen where they started, so seeing where they are now seems a good next step before circling back to other earlier efforts.
Where to go next? Well, I see no reason not to do the albums in order of release... I'm a big fan of seeing the progression over time being experienced linearly. ;-]
My favorite album, if I had to pick one, is 1985's 'Misplaced Childhood'. When you get to that one, I'm sure I won't be the only one recommending that you listen to the whole of side A in one shot. Indeed, it would be perfect for a Saturday morning. ;-]
One of their best songs of the "Fish era". Certainly the darkest. Great comment, BTW! ,)
Absolutely gorgeous Track...
I prefer FISH Era, Marillion.
Great Album.
RONNIE
SCOTLAND 🎸
@@Katehowe3010
BOTH ERAS are good.
I actually like Seasons End and Fear.
Afraid Of Sunlight, is good.
Clutching At Straws, is My favourite Album.
Easter, My favourite Track.🎸🎸🎸🎸
@@Katehowe3010
Each to their own....
I prefer Gabriel Era Genesis, to Collins Era.
Fish is a better Singer than H, lMO.
And both are good Lyricists.
Fish was still with The Band during Seasons End early recording.
Who else do You like ?
Thank you for listening to one of my favourite Marillion tracks. I remember alerting you to it over a year ago LOL.
I was sure you'd like it and... I guess I was right. I am convinced we share _some_ musical tastes :)
A good track you may care to try is "Morpheus" from Rothery's album "The Ghosts of Pripyat". An instrumental where Hackett (Genesis) joins Rothery!
One of the most unique bands in the world! Pure music!!
Great review - always good to see the reaction on your face as the song progresses! As for where to go next, why not just work your way through the 3 remaining Fish albums: Fugazi, Misplaced Childhood, Clutching At Straws? They get progressively better (pun intended!), and you won't be disappointed. Their post-Fish works have never really grabbed me, but if you continue through their catalogue, maybe we'll both become fans?
Another great track from the Script album! Still, Marillion improves a lot on the next, when Ian Mosley takes charge of the drums. Quite an improvement!
Chelsea is an area in London. The "old father" is referring to the Thames - the river that flows through London. However it happened, the girl is fished, dead, from its waters so yes, it is a very sad song.
Clutching at Straws is where they refined their early sound with maturity and confidence, and wrote very personal lyrics. The opening medley especially.
JP, for me too, this is the best song on the first album. And Jigsaw is the best on the second.
Amazing song.
My personal favorite by them is "Afraid of Sunlight". Very accessible.
Really enjoyed your reaction to this - 2024 - it’s certainly a punch to the gut song on this great debut. The romantic poetry and cutting spittle and venom weave throughout just like Steve Rothery’s guitar.
and that bass too!
Great track - great reaction
Classic!
Great song. There are so many great tunes to uncover from this band. Hope you keep going.
This track is in my top 10 tracks ever - one of my Desert Island discs. As you say, it has everything. I must have heard it 1000 times plus over the years, but when it goes into the lead solos the hairs still stand up on my neck
For me Chelsea relates to the area of London rather than a person it’s just another Monday in Chelsea
Clutching at Straws or Misplaced Childhood are My faves
Absolutely the best song on the album. The lyrics were poetic. Much thought was put into writing this song.
The music was tremendous. Yes, the bass line entry catches the attention. Reminds me of old Genesis and I also was thinking of Steve Hackett.
Great reaction!! Just subscribed.
As you read it back, I got the line, that she was an exotic dancer. She wont get applause for lines But the story is way darker, the old father is the Thames River. She either was killed, died, or committed suicide.
Fugazi is well worth covering. Go in order
thank you for your detailed reaction !
My pleasure Dieter!😊
Think this is my favorit early marillion song - The Guitarre is so emotional, the song got a more simple struktur than most tracks on this first record, but it all works so great together.
Chelsea Monday and Forgotten Sons are the best songs on the album by a mile
WHAT DID I TELL YOU?!!
What did I say about this track?!!
I KNEW you’d love it!!! That melting guitar solo is SO expressive, SO emotional 🖤. I was over-the-moon excited to see the thumbnail 👍🏻
YES!!! FINALLY!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks Justin! Great review!
I had the exact same interpretation of the lyrics as you did.
Chelsea is a district in London, England, perhaps it’s where she “works”?
Chelsea is a part of London.
Chelsea is a part of Londen. Known for the famous football club. It is a workers neighbourhood. So not a very joyful place on a Monday.
On an unrelated note, I just came across a comment I made on an unboxing video back in June of last year where I predicted Justin would have to move out. Of course at the time I thought it would be because he ran out of space from all the stuff we sent him.
This album was to me a fantastic revelation in 1983. When all the big prog bands like Yes, Genesis or ELP became pop, Marillion save the prog genre with beautiful epic songs, powerful guitar solos and a amazing storyteller singer.
Cool. You're the guy who's a step ahead the most. Cool.
I saw Marrilion support Jethro Tull at Nostell Priory, in Wakefield UK in 1982. I had their ep Market Square Hero's, the b side was Grendel, which is my favourite track of theirs. Grendel is from the Anglo-Saxon epic poem Beowulf from somewhere between the year 700 and 1000.
You WILL love the next album "Fugazi" which is my personal favourite. As this song is a musical bridge between the very early Garden Party / She knows / Grendel section and the Fugazi songs (Jigsaw, Incubus, Fugazi and more). Enjoy :)
I prefer the Fish (classic) period and recommend either "Sugar Mice" from "Clutching at Straws' - a devastating piece about alchoholism - or "Fugazi" (title track) - a song about the state of the world. Great reaction Justin.
Marbles is an amazing album and you should listen to Neverland.
The Great Escape off the Brave album is also incredible!!!!
Fantastic song and also for me it's the best of the album, where to continue? here I send to you 100 votes for "Misplaced Childhood", my absolute top 1 Marillion album.
Great song again, quite dramatic. Fish has a way with writing poetic words. A different look on ordinary things if you will. This song has a quite some atmosphere around it. Steve Rothery shines on this one. But I think the bass has a lot of impact as well. Love it! Where to next? You could go for a few years following the releases. In fact I always liked Fugazi more than this album. And Misplaced Childhood is their album to "stardom" but I think my vote would go to Marbles. There are some very, very fine songs on that album. Not to be missed! In fact, you already played Ocean Cloud and The Invisible Man from that album. Continue on with that one, it's a winner for sure!
Nice reaction 👍🏻
The part at the end 'she's only dreaming' is used in their track with the longest title: 'If my heart were a ball it would roll uphill' .
Great track imo.
Best song from their debut album (83) Scirpt for a jester's tear
I always found this studio version to be plodding with its stilted drumming. It comes alive in the concert recordings, thank goodness for Ian Mosely.
Pointer was just a basic beat drummer I always felt. Mosely is on another level
Fish also thought Pointer wasn't very good.
This is all great but IMHO in Misplaced Childhood and Clutching at Straws is where they really go out of their comfort zone and and deliver two absolute masterpieces.
You've finally hit a great Marillion track. Great storytelling. Life in the tawdry demimonde of 1970's and 1980's London. You would often see girls like the character in this song appearing in small roles on TV shows, or in films, also glamour modelling and appearing on the arms of rock stars or gangsters of the time. It didn't always end well.
I think you've got it.
Clutching at Straws please.
Really enjoying your reviews.
A great idea after completing Marillion's first album would be to contrast this with their latest album, released this year, An Hour Before It's Dark.
Different singer of course as Fish was replaced with Steve Hogarth in 1989.
Ian Mosley also became the drummer in time for their second Album in 1983 and the rest of the lineup hasn't changed since.
They obviously have a much fresher sound but still keeping to their prog roots with some very relevant and current subject matter.
All the tracks from the new album are available on You Tube via Marillion's Official Channel.
Would love to know what you make of this.
Whatever you decide to go for you're in for a bit of a ride!
Keep up the great work!
As a bass player, it is my favorite on this album! So many Genesis references here as well. My favorite album by them by far is “Clutching at Straws” would love if you checked it out! The metaphors in “Warm Wet Circles” is amazing
PS.. Brilliant Review.
Excellent !!!!
Highly recommend the entire album of Clutching at Straws. IMO the masterwork of their first era.
Best band on this planet. Please check The New Kings from Fear
I remember the huge shock when this came out , at a time when prog was swiped away by the punk 1977 phenomenon, and for all instances, dead as a genre. Ironically, the very first fans were punks who wanted a more musical venting of their numerous frustrations and Marillion fit the bill perfectly.
I remember that period in a totally different way! I was 16 in 1976, and just ignored Punk as I wasn't interested. There was still a healthy prog scene (with maybe a couple of the 'greats' making lack-lustre albums). I didn't know anyone who thought Prog was done for - apart from those hacks in NME, MM etc who knew nothing about music anyway...
@@lemming9984 I think that the word TOTALLY is a matter of opinion, as from 1977 to the arrival of Marillion, as well as Pallas, IQ, Twelfth Night, and Pendragon kept the flicker going (note mostly UK bands). Prog could not fill arenas anymore (Olympic stadium gigs by ELP and Floyd in Montreal were the final sputtering of fame, as an example) and there was a definite lull for a few years , so I guess the word healthy is open to debate. I ignored punk as well, yet the pickings were slim as compared to the "glory days" and the huge and ongoing prog scene since the mid-80s. As far as the media is concerned, you are 100% correct, they still choose to ignore this genre. to this day.
"I woke up, it was a Chelsea Morning..." An early Joni Mitchell hit. I almost wonder if it is about Joni. edited to add that having heard more of the lyrics maybe not Joni.
I believe that Chelsea Morning was one of the influences for Chelsea Monday. The former is a very upbeat, optimistic, bright song. The latter is the mirror image.
@@broadsword6650 Makes sense. Joni viewed it as a visitor. They viewed, at least a decade later, with a more jaundiced eye I would suppose.
@@maruad7577 I think Joni was writing about living in Chelsea, New York, but she did live in London too.
@@broadsword6650 I never knew that. lol. I never thought about Chelsea NY but that makes perfect sense.
React to "Clutching at Straws" next! Best Fish´s era album!
Prog rock tour de force. Nothing else to say but dig deeper into their work.
You should really add Grendel to this album as it is really the same era
Pretty sure JP covered Grendel years ago.
@@stephenpesta1550 Yes He did it !
I lived in the same village where Steve grew up (Brampton Bierlow) South Yorkshire, I first went to see them on their Fugazi tour at Sheffield..
Stunning song from a stunning band.....
My favorite song on this album. Steve Rothery does not just play he speaks with his guitar. It gets even better after this record with the addition of Ian Mosley on the drums, and later with Steve Hogarth, who while not better is quite different in his singing and writing. You should listen to 'Season's End' next, a very topical tune! Peace & Love.
Sad story ends: fishing her out of "OLD FATHER...THAMES". drowned. dead. with a smile...
Nice reaction! Really Great band! And personally I was shaped by the first four albums during the Fish years. Check out "Grendl" an early very long great piece! And check out the album Clutching at Straws, try "Sugar Mice".
Rothery channelling his inner Hackett.
Great song. One of my favorites. Rothery's gem and those lyrics and vocals from Fish. JP, why didn't you pick live version. Chaelsea Monday and Forgotten sons are faaar better live, and Marillion sounds live perfectly great. Even Thames river part live by Fish is better. "Script..." album's production wasn't the best. Looking forward Fugazi stuff...
Too bad it’s a Thursday, would have been so cool on Monday.
Peter sang great, Steve played great too.
On some level, the singer is doing a Spinal Tap version of prog. I just don't vibe on this guy. The guitar player is awesome.
The story of the song is about a young woman who dreams of being an actress, but doesn't dare to take the steps to become one. This ultimately drives her to drown herself in the Thames.
Not a happy song!
Nektar was interesting because I hadn't heard them before. This was rehashed Hackettisms meeting Rushist Caress of Steelisms with the 2 Peters H&G at their most theatrically tuneless annoyingly monotonously monologue -ey. But I listened and I'm proud of myself. Fish makes me slightly queasy, but I'll always listen. I'll always listen. I'll always... "Lean" ????? !! Should've been 5 tops. This is why Abacab HAD to BE Made. Things couldn't carry on like this. That Boat had sailed.
Stick with Fish era. Misplaced childhood or clutching at straws.
Leave my thoughts? Okay. I might be the only person on this channel who doesn’t like Marillion. To me, this was a sleepy song and I especially didn’t care for the singing or the tone of the guitar. The music itself and performance didn’t excite me either. ⭐️
Beleive me, you're not alone, not by a long chalk.
@@Katehowe3010 Aye, fish always niggled me I must say
I always thought of Marillion as a cheesy Genesis tribute band. but worse.
Wrongly accused of that mainly because when Genesis turned into a pop band a lot of people who preferred their prog sound moved on to Marillion.
How many Marillion albums have you listened to before you came to this verdict?
Genesis was already becoming a pop band and this isn’t a pop song; it’s a progrock song.
This track being a perfect example of that. But Worse.
And you're not wrong. Say it loud, and say it proud
@@HippoYnYGlaw I say that Marillion is a great prog rock band. So many great albums. Their latest album is epic.
Of course you can have a different opinion. Taste and preferences are very personal.
Another 8 minute job, and a plodding ballad at that🥱 Low energy, and uninteresting, to my ear at least. The geet solo sounded like it may take it somewhere, but then petered out all too quickly. PS JP, a couple of dozen out of 21k have requested more... Do the maths, and don't be in a rush to return to this lot when this's over, there's a good fellow. So, so many more bands out there. Again, just sayin' 🙂
Oh shut up! Who the fk do you think you are ffs?
They test my patience.
First you got Genesis, now you get Genesis Jr.
@@jaybird4093 Aye, I just can't catch a break :)
I simply don’t understand how if you like the early stuff you don’t like the later music.it’s up to you but it really doesn’t make sense.