Tactical Analysis of the Klingon Battle Fleet Doctrine

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  • @artembentsionov
    @artembentsionov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Here’s a good quote that summarizes the Romulan approach to tactics and strategy:
    “Misdirection is the key to survival. Never attack what your enemy defends, never behave as your enemy expects, and never reveal your true strengths. If knowledge is power, then to be unknown is to be unconquerable.”

    • @joemelton4747
      @joemelton4747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isn't that a sun Tzu quote

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Joe Melton I’m sure he wrote something to that effect, but I haven’t been able to find a quote from him that closely matches the wording. Granted, there are many different translations of The Art of War (especially since it was written like a poem).

    • @joemelton4747
      @joemelton4747 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artembentsionov it does sound like it
      But then again I read it a long time ago

    • @darkmagician2521
      @darkmagician2521 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@joemelton4747 That quote you mention reminds me of one Artemis Fowl the Second when he said something similar to one Jon Spiro in the 3rd book The Eternity Code if you know what I'm talking about.

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I'd argue that the klingon's space forces are all cavalry. B'rels and skirmishers, light cavalry meant to maneuver and harass. K'Tingas and Vor'chas are knights, cataphracts, the heavy cavalry. They charge through the enemy, destroying everything in their way before looping around and charging again.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about the Negh’Var? That’s clearly a dreadnought

    • @tbeller80
      @tbeller80 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artembentsionov but also as far as we know one of a kind.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      travisbe916 really? Hmm, guess I’m basing my knowledge on games where it’s the Klingon equivalent to the Sovereign.

    • @tbeller80
      @tbeller80 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@artembentsionov hard to say which one of us is right. I've never played the games that seem to feed the canon in many of these videos. I'm just going off the shows.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      travisbe916 no, the shows are canon. The games and books aren’t. Even the awesome Chancellor class in the IKS Gorkon books isn’t canon

  • @jamieolberding7731
    @jamieolberding7731 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I really like the design of the Klingon K'Tinga class battlecruiser.

  • @Nyst2
    @Nyst2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Klingon tactics make sense when you consider that to them, offense and defense are the same.
    You search for opponents so you can find them before they can find you. You attack them before they can attack you.
    If they turn out weaker then you, you stopped them from becoming a threat in the future, and if they turn out stronger then you you found out on your own terms.
    To try to fight anything new you discover might seem needlessly violent to others, but to the Klingon people these warriors die protecting the Klingon Empire from now or future threats and as such are given honor and respect.
    Peace and being on the defensive makes them nervous, as all it does it give enemies beyond the horizon time to grow stronger. And it is why they will always seek to expand no matter the risk.
    This worldview of them translates into their ship designs, their weapons, their tactics, and every other aspect of the way they fight.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly. Their invasion of cardassia reflects this philosophy perfectly. To the klingons it wasn't a war of conquest, but a defensive action. They wanted to strike at the dominion before they had solidified their supposed foothold. Thus defending against an enemy strategy. The fact that they were reacting to rumors and the martock changeling is immaterial.
      The klingons defend by attacking. They strike preemptively to keep their enemies on the defensive and off balance. This makes a lot of sense. By keeping the fighting within their enemies's territory it allows the empire to protect its own industrial base, as well as protecting its own civilian population centers.
      The only real disadvantage is that they increase the length of their supply lines. Unless they adequately defend the lines of supply, a clever enemy can cut them off.

    • @matheuscerqueira7952
      @matheuscerqueira7952 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ryanarment5393 other disadvantage is that they may make too many enemies. That's why the Federation is their ideal ally

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@Matheus Cerqueira the Klingons tended to pick strong allies when they have strong enemies to contend with. During the 23rd century they had the Romulans as allies while they were in conflict with the federation.

  • @speestechsupport1341
    @speestechsupport1341 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Bless you friend, I can’t wait for the Romulan video.
    Jolan Tru!

  • @vaclavjebavy5118
    @vaclavjebavy5118 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    These tactics remind me of Soviet battle doctrine. The Soviets, while in no way lacking in military academic thought and complex orders of battle, still used rather simple operational tactics. Their military hardware was usually less effective at long ranges, making them focused on closing in on an enemy. Their tactics might have seemed crude and inflexible, but were faster and simpler to implement even for less experienced commanders.

    • @pepperVenge
      @pepperVenge 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thats funny you say that, because the Klingons were originally conceptualized to be an allegory of the Soviet Union.

    • @vaclavjebavy5118
      @vaclavjebavy5118 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@pepperVenge That does make sense.

    • @patrickcummins79
      @patrickcummins79 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      been watching a lot of TIK and the Military History Visualized youtube channels.. apparently, the idea of "endless hordes" of soviets during WWII was B.S. more or less, they did outnumber the Germans, but not at like 10:1 ratios. they used misdirection and concentrated their forces on an exposed enemy area, then when attacking would send More men in than would a western or German power, and thus achieve a breakthrough earlier, that while costly, would Typically save more lives and thus be more effective Overall, in the Long Run.. (or so i have been told by professional and amateur military historians..)
      however, i have no doubt, that in many desperate battles especially Early in the war, very Dumb tactics were employed by inexperienced, under trained, not qualified(not combat "MOS" perhaps??....) Soviet officers and NCOs.. This is just my opinion, backed up by what i have read elsewhere..

    • @vaclavjebavy5118
      @vaclavjebavy5118 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@patrickcummins79 yeah pretty much. After WWII their combat capabilities grew a lot.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They also got rid of commissars pretty early in the war, sending them to be retrained and commissioned as political officers. And if you think they’re the same, they’re not. A political officer is an *officer*, meaning he’s trained to command and to support his superior officer while ensuring that the party’s plans are carried out. Commissars were largely civilians and often interfered with proper military planning, which is why the top brass eventually got rid of them. So I wouldn’t compare them to Warhammer 40K’s commissars

  • @IAmTheAce5
    @IAmTheAce5 5 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    If you're looking at fleet doctrine, does that means we'll see the Cardassians' "plan within a plan within a plan leading to a trap"?

    • @resurrectedstarships
      @resurrectedstarships  5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      quite possibly, we'll see how klings, roms, and feds go first :D

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no that's Admiral Ackbars area, he does the IT'S A TRAP thing.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@resurrectedstarships Federation tactics? You have seen Prelude to Axanar and the Klingons comments on that? THE FIRST RULE IF WAR IS KNOW YOUR ENEMY, BUT WITH THR FEDERATION EACH SPECIES HAD ITS OWN TACTICS. You never knew who you are up against.

    • @moguldamongrel3054
      @moguldamongrel3054 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jean-Luc Martel except for the standardized ship designs...

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@moguldamongrel3054 which actually made things even harder for the klingons. because all the ships look the same.

  • @iamfritz
    @iamfritz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Is anything known about Klingon shielding? That would bear heavily into their tactics too.
    In the board game Starfleet Battles, Klingon ships had heavy forward shields and weaker side and aft shields.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think it would vary from class to class. The birds-of-prey were small, and meant to hit hard and fast. While they would have efficient shields, most of the available power would be allocated to the weapons, engines, cloak and life support. They also had heavy reinforcement structures built into key areas of the birds-of-prey. This would also indicate that they didn't rely too heavily on shields.
      The Vor'cha, k'tinga, and Neg'var were able to take a beating, but that seemed more from sturdy construction than shield effectiveness.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This carried over into the Starfleet Command games (which use the board game’s rules). The Klingon tutorial states that forward shielding is the heaviest, which is as it should be, because a true warrior faces his enemy

  • @SCSuperheavy114
    @SCSuperheavy114 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Awesome analysis! The Klingons like to get in close! That bird of prey is a Romulan design if I’m not mistaken.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Romulans and Thrawn are the PERFECT adversaries in my opinion. both are cagey, smart, secretive and cautious.

    • @pepperVenge
      @pepperVenge 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Klingon Bird of Prey? I'm sure you are mistaken.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Romulans has their own birds of prey. Those looked different and didn’t have actual wings. They just had a bird of prey painted on the hull. Their TNG-era battleships are called warbirds. Although JJ Abrams also calls some Klingon ships warbirds.

    • @SampoPaalanen
      @SampoPaalanen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@artembentsionov I think the confusion comes from the fact that Klingon Bird of Prey was originally meant to be a romulan ship the klingon captain stole, it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the movie though and later movies and series made that 100% klingon design and an evolution of type of ship first seen in the 2150s (aka during the series Enterprise).
      That said the Romulan Bird of Prey does sort of have wings as the Nacelle pylons are wing shaped, the ship sort of looking like an arrow point backwards when viewed from the top or bottom.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Romulans had their own birds of prey.

  • @stevenewman1393
    @stevenewman1393 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every shape way and form provided indeed, Very nicely well done on and about Klingon fleet doctrine and their main battle tactics and so forth indeed👌.

  • @bernieeod57
    @bernieeod57 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In the fan film “Axanar “. The Klingons operate in 3 Ship formations which in my spin off Novel “Axanar: The Destroyers “ Are referred to as “Triads”. They can have three ships of the same type or A D series cruiser with a pair of BOP’s to cover its flanks. The lead character in my novel commands a squadron of single nacelle Destroyers. In one battle against a “Triple triad”. 3 D-6 Cruisers each with their own pair of Raptors (Large Bird If preys). The Commodore, with his fleet of Destroyers first decides to “Pick the low hanging fruit” And strip the cruisers of their light support ships. This leaves the flanks wide open for his Destroyers to to buzz around them like angry hornets.

  • @Lenzabi
    @Lenzabi 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Ah, powerful, Heavy disruptor cannons are in the tips of the nacelles of the D-7/K' Tinga, per blueprints and the TOS episodes where they fired. Still maintaining the "triangle" of weapons power on those cruisers.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Excellent point. The vor'cha also had numerous disruptor banks in the wings and nacelles. Once again maintaining that triangle of weapons design approach, but making sure that even if that if the primary foreward battery was damaged or disabled, the ship still could fight effectively

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Most klingon ships are well armoured especially protecting vital areas like the bridge etc so they are not weak in a prolonged fight and during the next gen era the klingons had vorchas to fill a all round combat role to support the faster lighter ships and also support the heavier negh var class ships that will provide heavy fire support for the faster ships and they have heavy weaponry and are very large well armored and shielded so overalp tng klingon fleet isnt just a fast attack forward facing firepower fleet but they are still based around that style of combat.

  • @ic3125
    @ic3125 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can we please have more of these videos cuz I luv themmmm

  • @brianjohnson5272
    @brianjohnson5272 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol I've played SFC for over a decade. Now I have no clue where that game sits on canon but the Klingon early ships always ALWAYS had a weakness. The rear shields. While the federation had a strong all round defense Klingon's during early and even to SFC 2 had shield greater frontal and a token rear shield typically around 40% of the forward pre reinforcement.
    I could take a frigate if I was lucky and boogie past her with full reinforced front shields, take an alpha strike from a D7 k'tinga losing 80% of my shields and the reinforcement and cut my engines to 7.4-8.0 (roughly 1/4 impulse) and use a high energy turn which flips me 180 degrees with a risk of knocking my engines out (with a good engineer you can do it twice with zero risk and 2 1/2 minutes between HETs) and alpha strike the rear shield. I used two of 3 torpedo tubes and would typically knock out 1/3-1/2 of it's engine power and 2-5 weapon arrays) taking a david ship vs. the Klingon goliath. You would of course then stay on the D7s rear pummeling it as you can. It's a tough fight but it can be done. You WILL be dry docking your ship post fight for repairs, but the lolz you get for eating a heavy cruiser with the smallest ship (fully upgraded) and sending that crew to Gre'thor (what honor was there attacking a ship roughly 1/3rd yours?)

  • @JeanLucCaptain
    @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    YES THRAWN ANALYSIS OF STAR TREK RACES!

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Thrawn's analysis of Zentradi tactics( I.e. Bretai's) from SDF Macross.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@barrybend7189 OR RUSSIAN TACTICS FROM MACROSS ZERO 😂

  • @MackeyDeez
    @MackeyDeez 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I always said that the Klingons war doctrine would have been raids on soft targets and the cruisers would be for major seige of territory and fleet battles.

  • @grand-dadmiral
    @grand-dadmiral 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Fascinating. With this in hand, the Klingons would stand no chance.
    ...That is, if I were in that universe to begin with.

    • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
      @SchneeflockeMonsoon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Thrawn
      Indeed Admiral.
      Note the shift from flowing armor to the sharp contours of the neck, and the inverted double triangle of the aft plating on the standard cruisers. This speaks to a culture who value forward assaults and minimal broadsides, while minimizing threats from ‘dishonorable’ dorsal or ventral strikes, and maximizing efficiency when allowing enemies to chase or be chased by a small number of cruisers, allowing traps of opposite vector vessels to be easily unnoticed.

    • @rinck17
      @rinck17 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Too bad the Klingons have cloaking devices and are from the Star Trek Universe that boasts far superior accuracy and firepower on ship board weapons.

  • @clerickolter
    @clerickolter 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Klingons kept it simple and stuck to what worked with sound tactics.

  • @ALPHAOMEGA1500
    @ALPHAOMEGA1500 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In TOS era the D-7 design fired fomr both the KDF and the Romulans diruptors from the wing pods, so did the birds of prey.

  • @Uchilsson
    @Uchilsson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very simple...but very good!

  • @ussakira7294
    @ussakira7294 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was a really great video i enjoyed it very much i I forward 2 your video about the Romulans

  • @spartan078ben
    @spartan078ben 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if a Holodeck if loaded with all cannon/legends information on Thrawn could replicate his personality and from that his genius. Maybe add Xeno-psychology with an Artistic/Tactical analysis subroutine? The computer of the Enterprise-D once made a sentiant hologram using the personality of a Sherlock Holmes villan.

  • @mrhades652
    @mrhades652 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great series dude. Keep up the good work

  • @royasturias1784
    @royasturias1784 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imperial Japanese Navy-like, as the BoPs are like the WW2 IJN destroyers nicknamed "Long Lancers"

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the battle of zama scipios legionaries defeated the elephants by allowing them to charge and they opened up channels in their lines to allow the elephants to walk through while they pelted the elephants and their riders with projectiles untill they retreated and actually disrupted hannibals forces as they fled. The numidians were the main reason hannibal lost at zama.

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know the b rell class ships are small assault ships with a small crew etc but i thought they were equipped with aft torpedo launchers so they can de cloak attack at high speed then as they fly past they launch torpedoes from the aft launchers. Perhaps i was mistaken.

  • @ryanarment5393
    @ryanarment5393 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think you are overstating the idea that klingon ships are structurally weak. When you get down to it they really aren’t. They build their ships with reinforcing bracers and struts in key areas. There are ample instances of klingon ships taking huge amounts of damage and being able to continue to fight. The Bortas took heavy fire from 3 k’vort class birds-of-prey and was still able to punch back. The bird-of-prey that kirk captured in the search for spock took direct photon torpedo damage in her underbelly (the weakest part of the ship) and was still able to fight. A klingon raptor class scout ship was able to withstand the crushing pressure of a class 9 gas giant for hours.

  • @MORE1500
    @MORE1500 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    T'Pol mentioned that the tactics of the Klingons are crude and they don't adjust well as battle situations change.

  • @MaxWriter
    @MaxWriter 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice.

  • @artembentsionov
    @artembentsionov 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Klingons have been a starfaring race since the 1940s, and yet humans caught up to them in a few centuries... after a global nuclear war and with Vulcans holding back the best tech.
    This goes in line with what that Klingon lawyer told Archer about Klingon society becoming more militarized and focused on honor above all (even the dubious honor of wiping out an unarmed refugee transport), while other professions are seen as lowly and unworthy

  • @paulrasmussen8953
    @paulrasmussen8953 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love 5he music. Where did you get it.

  • @teddyd633
    @teddyd633 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    More of this is a must!!

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now look at Bretai's battle tactics from SDF Macross.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or UN spacy tactics from Frontier.

  • @garyrobbins283
    @garyrobbins283 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thrawn would have a field day against the Klingon's over aggressiveness.

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_'Qapla!!_*
    _Glory to the Empire!_

  • @danmorgan3685
    @danmorgan3685 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lets see some Ferengi battle tactics. They'll probably think you mean "bribery" and get themselves killed arguing over how they'll write the terms of the contract.

    • @dragonknightleader1
      @dragonknightleader1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They'd be the Florentine Mercenaries of their time, so you're not that far off.

  • @davidburton4582
    @davidburton4582 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Klingons will fight until every last soldier dies.

  • @aiosquadron
    @aiosquadron 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So basically Klingon ships is the blitzkrieger.

  • @valtersplume3726
    @valtersplume3726 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:23 the emblem doesn't say anything to me.

  • @jinsetayinsei4146
    @jinsetayinsei4146 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeez, is there anyone in the entire freakin Star Trek universe that can out strategize Thrawn?
    Sirna Kolrami: "You called?"
    ... And have won a beauty contest? Anyone?
    Excellent vid on the Klingon Fleet doctrine. Looking forward to future doctrine vids o7

  • @Zonday88
    @Zonday88 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    the triangular shape is irrelevant. The shape of KDF K'Tinga Class cruisers was inspired by a manta ray and simply flipped 180 degrees.

  • @followerofjulian1652
    @followerofjulian1652 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:23 I don't think so, Hyoomän!

  • @TLA77
    @TLA77 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Cool

  • @iona2225
    @iona2225 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    More, more! :D

  • @misterlau5246
    @misterlau5246 ปีที่แล้ว

    When talking about old naval battles, they fired from the sides while passing next to an enemy ship. That tactic only front and aft is terrible

  • @thehillbillygamer2183
    @thehillbillygamer2183 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are going on Noble houses like dutchies how to Klingon Noble houses make money remember when Court was married to that Klingon woman that Noble woman how did her house make money or property did they grow crops I mean I'll see another way land can make money unless they had a bunch of dogs kept on it like a Target farm which is basically a pig farm was Klingon pigs

  • @HeadlessChickenTO
    @HeadlessChickenTO 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another good anti-Klingon tactic is to use your cheapest ships formup front, rush in past their frontline ships, and ram the hell out of everything in front of you.

  • @richardmartin3243
    @richardmartin3243 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you just jump to warp get point blank right in your face and fire thing you have

  • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
    @SchneeflockeMonsoon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thrawn is all knowing. One need only know how to speak his language.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      His language is BOSS😎. Chiss Chess Cool Club