I remember seeing one video of a guy saying.... Grid = General Magnetic = Major General to Major is a demotion... Major to General is a promotion... Seems like his example is flawed
Remember the easterly and westerly rules, not one size fits all saying. Simple mistakes lead to getting lost, as I have done on land nav course too many times
I don’t even look at the titles when Pat posts a video, I just watch that shit cause it will have life saving or life changing info in it! Thank you sir for sharing all of this stuff with us, you kick ass sir! Also, love the ninja turtle face map🤘
Great stuff, I was a Cav Scout and our training nco SFC Bill Marshall (RIP) was involved with macv before coming to our scout platoon. You could have dropped this man anywhere and he would get back. But they would hand anyone in the squad the map at anytime and say get us out, and you better be squared away.
Did this once in an airplane I was flying, not knowing exactly where I was. I plotted radials from 2 separate VORs (navigational beacons) to plot my position on a paper map. Worked great.
Good info, should mention the more points of interest you have, the more accurate your position will be. Also when converting magnetic to grid north, a map may have a certain number of degrees of change per year, such as 5 degrees. If the map is made in 2018 for example, then you would subtract 5*4 = 20 degrees from the magnetic north number. And if you can't remember LARS, the UK teach "Grid to Mag, Add" and "Mag to Grid, Get Rid".
Don’t forget that it depends on if you have an east declination or a west declination that determines whether you add or subtract. That’s why LARS is used
Pat, I need you to coach my life! For years I have never understood Grid to mag = add, mag to grid = rid. I literally get it now after watching this video!! Dude, you are cool
Learned this twenty years ago as a cadet, completely forgot most of it, and have rediscovered it. Bit of a mindf*ck at first but really satisfying when it clicks. I've been practicing resections in the Peak District, Derbyshire. Started off using churches, river-track junctions and major road bends as landmarks but plan to progress to using ridges and hills.
I've learned a lot from Pat Mac. Keep it going brother. Make more video's to teach civllians how to survive everything from Vehicle Preparness to Home invasion. What to do and how to do it properly. God Bless America
Questing hoping someone can answer. That declination diagram Pat used was a westerly diagram with magnetic being to the left of grid north. So thats a negative declination, currently the declination for my city is -5.8 degrees west so basically 6 degrees as well. My question is shouldn't Pat add? I get the left add right subtract I understand that but if you subtract a negative value its the same as adding. 10 - (-6) = 16 as an example.
Two bearings technically don´t tell you anything about your exact position; You have to at least take a third one to construct a "triangle of error" you can assume you`re inside of with relative certainty. Also, it pays off to invest in a compass with adjustable declination if you´re serious about orienteering, saves some thinking.
@@angus4105 however accurate the needle points north, the margin of error when you read the bearing is right around three degrees for a mirrored compass because of possible parallax errors or the design of the needle or the scale. For mirrorless compasses it's more than that. Assuming you take bearings from objects at an equal distance with an angle of 45° between them, this error misplaces your position for ~14% of the distance. For 90° it's still 5%. You tell me if that's accurate enough.
You have a map dickhead. You use features on said map to confirm your resection. As in using your eyes to confirm features around you rather than blindly trusting a pointless third bearing. Just how far do you intend to march on one resection? It pays off to have a current map with the correct magnetic variation for that year. Not the hilarious prismatic compass you think compensates for your shit navigation skills. I have navigated in the dark just using a Silva compass in mils with tritium inserts. That is what "ranger beads" are for. Its why the mag to grid conversion is so important. Your "third bearing" is completely fucking pointless as it has the exact same margin of error as the first two.
@@matthiasthulman4058 Thanks, Would more points of reference increase the accuracy? Pat mentioned using two known landmarks, but would a third improve the location, or is that just a waste of time?
@@exstromb It could increase accuracy & probably wouldn't take too long, but if the first two points are widely spaced apart, the accuracy with just two should be fine.
It doesn't always work in deep valleys or ravines found in mountain ranges. GPS is just another form of resection and needs line of sight. No signal. No GPS.
Your definitely a veteran by the way you talk. Thanks for the video, love the energy as well!
“Grid to Mag - Add.
Mag to Grid - Get Rid.”
Best way of remembering it, and what we were taught.
I remember seeing one video of a guy saying....
Grid = General
Magnetic = Major
General to Major is a demotion...
Major to General is a promotion...
Seems like his example is flawed
It also depends on if your declination is east or west.
Remember the easterly and westerly rules, not one size fits all saying. Simple mistakes lead to getting lost, as I have done on land nav course too many times
I don’t even look at the titles when Pat posts a video, I just watch that shit cause it will have life saving or life changing info in it! Thank you sir for sharing all of this stuff with us, you kick ass sir! Also, love the ninja turtle face map🤘
You beet me to the Ninja Turtle reference.
Great stuff... land nav is definitely one of my weaker links. Keep it coming! Rock and roll 🤘🏼
Even many a General cannot read them properly. Don't feel bad. 😁
Great stuff, I was a Cav Scout and our training nco SFC Bill Marshall (RIP) was involved with macv before coming to our scout platoon. You could have dropped this man anywhere and he would get back. But they would hand anyone in the squad the map at anytime and say get us out, and you better be squared away.
Good class on a rainy day that low pressure just won't go away.
As long as you don't have a 2nd Lieutenant you should be good. :)
Good refresher after so many years!
Did this once in an airplane I was flying, not knowing exactly where I was. I plotted radials from 2 separate VORs (navigational beacons) to plot my position on a paper map. Worked great.
Good info, should mention the more points of interest you have, the more accurate your position will be. Also when converting magnetic to grid north, a map may have a certain number of degrees of change per year, such as 5 degrees. If the map is made in 2018 for example, then you would subtract 5*4 = 20 degrees from the magnetic north number. And if you can't remember LARS, the UK teach "Grid to Mag, Add" and "Mag to Grid, Get Rid".
australian army teach, mag to grid-my great asshole-add, grid to mag-grandmother sux-subtract
Yep. The map could be 20 year old with an annual variance.
Don’t forget that it depends on if you have an east declination or a west declination that determines whether you add or subtract. That’s why LARS is used
Thanks for the additional map info. Good stuff for sure.
Pat, I need you to coach my life! For years I have never understood Grid to mag = add, mag to grid = rid.
I literally get it now after watching this video!!
Dude, you are cool
Learned this twenty years ago as a cadet, completely forgot most of it, and have rediscovered it. Bit of a mindf*ck at first but really satisfying when it clicks. I've been practicing resections in the Peak District, Derbyshire. Started off using churches, river-track junctions and major road bends as landmarks but plan to progress to using ridges and hills.
This was the only thing I missed on EIB testing otherwise would've had True Blue... still haunts me!
Thanks pat mac! next land nav course im going to try this!
Great video, Thanks again Pat!
Pat Mac will keep us all alive during the apocalypse! 👌
Awesome mac, thanks so much!
I never could figure out how to convert magnetic north to true north for years until now. BAM! Pat Mac is really good.
I've known how to find myself on a map but not how to accurately pinpoint myself. Now I do. Thanks.
I personally think the map looks like a crazy face. 🤪
Definately has a van Gogh or a Dali vibe to it. Glad I wasn’t the only one!
I'm great at knowing where I'm at and what direction I'm going in my home town....
Pat, a great refresher course from you, I had good NCOs (But bad Teachers)
Outstanding
Map orientation #1 👍🏻👊🏻 always first
I've learned a lot from Pat Mac. Keep it going brother. Make more video's to teach civllians how to survive everything from Vehicle Preparness to Home invasion. What to do and how to do it properly. God Bless America
Thanks Pat. I’m constantly getting lost with nothing more then a topo map & protractor
We used grid to mag add mag to grid get rid.
Also check the date of the map
That map looks like Pepe the Frog. You're welcome to all who can't unsee that now.
Sadly, whatever I used to know about using topos I forgot with prolonged use of gps.
Questing hoping someone can answer. That declination diagram Pat used was a westerly diagram with magnetic being to the left of grid north. So thats a negative declination, currently the declination for my city is -5.8 degrees west so basically 6 degrees as well.
My question is shouldn't Pat add? I get the left add right subtract I understand that but if you subtract a negative value its the same as adding. 10 - (-6) = 16 as an example.
Resection is “Me section”. Basic Dude Stuff Good to go Chief!😀
As we use to say Mag to Gid get rid, Grid to Mag add
It's raining your getting old brother remember back in the day???? Take care from southern 88 degrees California.
I can remember orientation, surface features (saddle, draw etc.) some 6-digit grid coordination but not LR add subtract. Maybe too much for this 63B
Your map is watching us
This is like scouts for adults or PLDC for civvies. 🤘
Dammit. Where’s my protractor? Lol!
The face he drew!
I was looking for someone else to mention this!
Two bearings technically don´t tell you anything about your exact position; You have to at least take a third one to construct a "triangle of error" you can assume you`re inside of with relative certainty. Also, it pays off to invest in a compass with adjustable declination if you´re serious about orienteering, saves some thinking.
LOL wrong......this technique always worked in the Marines. Pat is spot on with using two points.
@@angus4105 however accurate the needle points north, the margin of error when you read the bearing is right around three degrees for a mirrored compass because of possible parallax errors or the design of the needle or the scale. For mirrorless compasses it's more than that. Assuming you take bearings from objects at an equal distance with an angle of 45° between them, this error misplaces your position for ~14% of the distance. For 90° it's still 5%. You tell me if that's accurate enough.
You have a map dickhead. You use features on said map to confirm your resection. As in using your eyes to confirm features around you rather than blindly trusting a pointless third bearing. Just how far do you intend to march on one resection? It pays off to have a current map with the correct magnetic variation for that year. Not the hilarious prismatic compass you think compensates for your shit navigation skills. I have navigated in the dark just using a Silva compass in mils with tritium inserts. That is what "ranger beads" are for. Its why the mag to grid conversion is so important. Your "third bearing" is completely fucking pointless as it has the exact same margin of error as the first two.
If it ain't raining it ain't training
RE is Me!
Thats how I doodle Burglars too man.
Isn't the back azimuth with the 6 degrees declination for the first point 156 degrees? west is best east is least.
Figured as much......Bob ain't got the sense to come in out of the rain.
Bob's been hit a few too many times and lost the sense to get into shelter.
Can you explain back azimuths? Is it just the opposite bearing on your compass?For instance, if I had a bearing of 90° is the back azimuth 270°?
Yeah, whatever your bearing is, the back azimuth is the basically the exact opposite bearing.
Edit: bearing in degrees
@@matthiasthulman4058 Thanks, Would more points of reference increase the accuracy? Pat mentioned using two known landmarks, but would a third improve the location, or is that just a waste of time?
@@exstromb to be honest, I can't answer that with any degree of certainty.
I would assume that would only help, like triangulation.
@@exstromb I'm relatively new to this stuff too, just for reference
@@exstromb It could increase accuracy & probably wouldn't take too long, but if the first two points are widely spaced apart, the accuracy with just two should be fine.
Liquid sunshine brother....lol
Bro is every SFC EIB grader I’ve ever had.
Grid coordinates coming soon?
Why did you leave BOB out in the rain Pat🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️especially when it so treacherous!?
The map looks like a frog rolling his eyes.
If you see the face on the board you can not un see it.
Just use your GPS....😁
It doesn't always work in deep valleys or ravines found in mountain ranges. GPS is just another form of resection and needs line of sight. No signal. No GPS.
More lessons brother
Math?! $chit, don't they make an app for this? LOL!!!
Today's word boys and girls is "Milliradian".
2 minutes to explain clearly what other videos need 20 minutes to confuse.
🥴 is it just me or does that look like this