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Time Team S05-E08 High Worsall,.North Yorkshire
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- In the last in the current series, Tony Robinson leads the Time Team to Teesside. It has been known for years that just yards from the current village is the site of a medieval village but the riddle the Team have just three days to unravel is why it was abandoned so suddenly, literally disappearing off the map. The answer, eventually found through both archaeology and through records of the time, is as unexpected as it is shocking.
I love Mick's comment on day 3 about Tony's excitement for another trench, "I'll have to put something in his tea." 😂
I just noticed how Robin Bush towers over the majority of the TT crew. I find myself watching these wonderful programs over and over again. Thanks for posting.
It's had the same effect on me.
Thats because he is tall.
Tony, by far, is the BEST presenter for this team. The dynamics between, Tony, Phil, and Mick makes this show work -they are a great team. Very sad when they changed things up.
Mick looks at everyone with such love in his eyes. Wish I could have known him.
just like doe eyed Carenza casting come hither glances at Mick every chance she gets.
@@TheShootist I've seen all 270-odd episodes of this show, many of them several times. I don't believe I ever saw any of the women consciously playing the hottie. To suggest so is an insult to accomplished professionals.
@@thomasbell7033 oh no nothing so obvious. a good example are her helicopter rides with Mick. Perhaps that glint in her eyes is only admiration.
@@TheShootist I wish I had been alerted to your response at the time. I saw it now because, like you, I watch TT over and over. In hindsight, I wish I hadn't been so huffy in my reply to you. What I do notice is Carenza's having to constantly raise her voice to get the men to listen to her. Helen inherited this problem.
@@thomasbell7033 I don't agree,Helen never raised her voice or tried to talk over any of the others.but that is my personal opinion.
Great episode.
I really appreciate Mick Aston's comment about puting the fish back.
May he rest in peace.
Watching that hand digging with a shovel makes my back hurt. Those guys work their butts off! I love this show! I'm in the process of watching every episode from beginning to end.
14:20 I commend Tony for having had the bravery to play the impatient and less logical minded one of the group. I also love how logically minded they all are. Even if they have a go at each other sometimes, none are so lacking in self awareness that they cannot see reason coming from someone else. Certainly none of them are unreasonable. I hope that this is what most people will "take home" from this show, and why I personally think it's such a success. Even today it is still successful in this way.
They had great chemistry between all of them and it comes across in every show.
In show biz, Tony is called the Comic Relief, much like a straight man.
@@icarusairways6139 yes, if he was funny
I find Tony annoying. As the series moved on, he became more so. “What I don’t understand…” always followed by his lack of understanding of the scientific process and his lack of intellectual curiosity. If that’s the way the script was written it’s too bad. The rest of the gang was enough to keep me watching, especially Faye.
To those criticising Tomy: How would you feel if episode after episode for 20 years you had to "forget" everything you had learned so that you could ask "stupid" questions for the benefit of new viewers. If he lacked intellectual curiosity, he wouldn't be part of the series. How many times can you ask "What's geofizz?" without going nuts (and that's not how you spell it, it just sounds more fun)?
I love how quiet victor is. Just does his work and smiles.
He seems like a very thoughtful and reflective sort of person.
Quietly brilliant.
They are all passionate about their work, that’s what make that série so interesting and fun..
They absolutely love what they are doing..
That’s also why we are so addicted…
Regards
i love Mick Astion, he was the ultgimate example of a vegetarian with respect for others views, to help them fish when we know he would not eat any of the fish himself was completely awesome.
Billi Jo Maynard I thought vegetarians did eat fish, as they do eggs, and just not eat meat. I thought veganists were the ones that don't eat any animal products at all.
But well said, beautiful that respect exists like this, as it should,
@@EmeraldVideosNL vegans eat no animal products or byproducts (no butter, no eggs, no gelatin, think Lisa Simpson). Vegetarians typically eat a plant based diet, occasionally eating animal byproducts like butter and eggs. Pescetarians consume fish eggs butter and mostly plant-based diet.
@@eirneam3404never be swayed by the veganity insanity. Lettuce has feelings, too …
Everytime i see Carenza Lewis and know her history, i only can say, what a lady!!
Robin was a gentleman and a scholar. RIP, ol boy..
A favorite episode of mine.
This shall now be my evening.
Tea and time team.
And many of mine. What finer way?
Same here except instead of tea 🍵, I’ll go for a nice cup of American 🇺🇸 coffee ☕️.
I think it was an inspired choice to get Tony Robinson to present Time Team. I don't think any one else could have done it.
According to Tony he was far from first choice and only got it when no one else on list was available. And at the time he was only known as Baldric
Well someone had a cunning plan (captain b). Sorry, sorry, just could not resist.
@@dirkbonesteel Tony and Mick were friends for years before the show. They had even done some archaeology together. When Tim Taylor and Mick were developing the show and they realized they would need a presenter Mick thought Tony would be perfect. He was right.
@@deetsy4jesus HI, Donna. I read, from Tony, that he & wife #1, traveled to Greece ( I'm pretty sure), on an archaeological dig & Mick was the head digger at the site. Tony had a keen interest in the genre, and when Mick returned , they hooked up for more insight, became close friends & help develop a show before this, which included Phil. The rest is history. (No pun intended)
Check out Phil Harding Axe Man. A short vid when Phil is about 33.
Cheers, keep safe.
The revived (new) TT programme presenter is almost polar opposite. I’ve seen him before in different programmes and IMO he’s quite good, but the contrast from the TT perspective presents a significant change in tone.
IMHO, Tony is fine. He gets people to laugh AND he livens things up. It all seems to be lighthearted.
Tony has a roll to play so his questions are about directing the information to the laymen.
@Soreofhing Aye, though the archaeologists seem to take him in stride.
Tony is no fool in real life. He is an actor, not an archeologist and he is at least self aware enough to know that. In fact, actors tend to be far more self aware than most others because that is a major part of their actual job. Furthermore, he had the bravery to take on such a *role* knowing full well how the many in the *audience* would react to this *character* he *portrays* in this *show.*
Edit: after reading another comment thread here I found out that Tony not being an archeologist was nothing more than an assumption I made. As it turns out, he is an amateur archeologist and even worked with Mick before Time Team on an occasion or more.
Still, he is an actor professionally, and he is still playing a part here. The fact he is an amateur archeologist as well only lends even more credibility to him just playing a character.
@@aylbdrmadison1051 You'll see all of them do it from time to time. Mick asking questions you know he's got to know the answer to, but he asks the "expert" so the tv audience can be informed.
@@aylbdrmadison1051 , I think Sir Tony is a most excellent team leader. He has the gift of connecting with team members and with locals (including children) and with us in all our different countries.
I come here to relax. Have been for many years. Thanks Time Team.
Wonderful show! Loved Micks sweater. R.I..P
he was an attention seeker.
look at me everybody look at my jumper arnt i funny
@@paulmacdonald4844 Actually, the sweater was not his idea. He wore one in the first or second season for one episode because it was cold. Everybody on the site loved it because it made it so much easier to find him when they needed him. As the lead archaeologist, he was in high demand. He stated on many occasions that he found them uncomfortable.
@PAUL MACDONALD : Your comment is actually funny, but not for the reason you intended.
You were talking about someone *else* seeking attention, while doing exactly the same thing you accused them of. That's actually funny, lols.
There's absolutely nothing bad to say about the time team crew they're all wonderful and Mick was just great
Phil and I said spindle whorl at the same time. They are quite distinctive. The fact that they are a dime a dozen in the medieval period is also helpful.
I wonder if they ever dug anywhere conducive to preserving the upright wooden beams from a loom or a distaff.
Haven't enjoyed them all at the minute...that would be very cool.
Tony is great in this. He comes off a bit badly sometimes, but that's his job. That's why he was brought on. He is there to play the role of the average Joe sitting at home, to ask the questions that the everyman would ask, even if they sound ignorant. It gives the layman someone to identify with, gives the experts a reason to explain things to the camera and, by extension, to us.
Thankyou for uploading this wonderful series. I like how this series shows the reality of investigating in field. Lot of slow, slow, might find something but might not.
That they fail as often as succeed is great.
I love these episodes and am so glad they're here!!
I made the mistake to reading some of the comments. Thanks, haters for ruining my enjoyment of this show.
The disagreement between Tony and Mick reminded me of this. My grandfather and my father had terrible disagreements about how to deal with things that are good and things that are not so good. My grandfather said, "When you go to the apple barrel, take the best apple you can find. That way, no matter what, you're always getting the very best apple." My father said, "A bad apple in the barrel will spoil the other apples. Therefore, you take the bad apple out and take the good parts of that apple. That way, you get more good apples, on the whole." My grandfather's reply was, "The way you do it, you're always getting the worst apple in the barrel. The way I do it, I always get the best apple in the barrel." My father replied, "The way I do it, I get many more good apples. The way you do it, you will end up with more bad apples to eat. It doesn't matter that you always get the best one." This is a little bit like the story of The Grasshopper and the Ant.
I always thought they were both being just one way. If I wanted to eat the right out of the barrel, I would agree with my grandfather. If I were making an apple pie, I would certainly agree with my father.
Solution: Don’t put apples into a barrel. Put them in a cool loft, none touching. Check them for soft or bad spots before you do, and remove any that look doubtful. Use the good bits first. Everything else will last longer and taste better.
I have decided. Now that I'm retired - I'm going to spend my days wandering about my property burying odd piles of rocks to confuse archeologists in another 1,500 years. LOL!
Oh my goodness! I was eating when I read your comment... almost choked. Thanks for the belly laugh.
Lol! Except maybe you should spend them DIGGING piles and have someone chase you around recording it then put it on TH-cam ..could make a bit of change
@Pat Spray
Dear Pat, your comment sprayed laughter on many of us... Delicious... Enjoy your retirement :)))
Lol, I live in Wisconsin on lake Superior and after a trip to florida and dropped a few starfish on a public beach near the shore and just sat back and enjoyed all the confusion. Priceless.
There is a Time Team episode where they found a site at which someone years before had done that. The team demonstrated that every one of the 'artifacts' they found was phony, because their skills were better.
One of our favorite episodes. Between Robin Bush and Dawn Hadley with the documentation, and Mick, Phil and Tony and Carenza and Stewart in the trenches, you really get a sense of this village.
The chemistry here is pure magic
The fish trap is improperly made... it's missing a very important feature.There should be a second smaller cone placed inside the mouth of the trap...
Oh man. I am not at all a fan of seafood and just don't like fish, but I've got to say, that salmon at 39:30 is making me hungry. That looks goooood.
As a Chef I never get tired of Salmon.(American River).
Its interesting that the ancient will listed what we tend to take for granted. (Candlesticks, bedding, dishes etc) We live in a “throwaway “ world 🌎. Our leavings are land, cars, and homes.
Robin is pure genius, Hanging out in the field with the sweaty archys, OR perusing the town with the big brain babe sporting the smokin hot everything?...He's no fool. lol
Hard working fellow too, I reckon. Up at the crack of dawn every day, no doubt.
Veni_Vidi_Vortice I get what your saying, and a nice crack it is.
Amazing method cooking that salmon! I will be using that!
Absolutely! I imagine that salt dough would be very similar to the salty play-dough recipe from which you could make Christmas tree ornaments and other creative structures with the kids!
So we have a slightly random Saxon village of farmers and then an orderly village of plots in a line. Another gift from Willy the Conqueror - feudalism - Saxon freemen turned into serfs - 'tenant' farmers. Lord of the manor - the Kings' on sight overseer and get blood from a rock guy. No mystery here. And then he offspring tried to get you guys to speak French for two centuries.
Formally William the Basterd.His dad once tried to shoot him from a catapult. I think he was just playing out daddy issue's.
+vaping Otter That's William Marshall..... the later Earl of Pembroke
William the Bastard's Father was Robert I Duke of Normandy, who died in 1035 I think it was, on a pilgrimage to Jerusalem
totally confused again. Serfdom was around by the 10th century, and no one was ever forced to speak French.
@@Philrc If you had any ambition, it was to your benefit to speak and understand French, certainly in Edward's time.
He was, to all intents and purposes, a Norman.
Of course, if you had the desire and the means to get on, you would probably already know how to read and at least sign your name.
That's me, anyway.
@@eboracum2012 your answering something that doesn't exist. go back and read my comment again. Also ambition doesn't come into it. the peasants remained peasants. there was no
social mobility and whatever french was learnt was just enough to serve the masters at table or in other capacities. they didnt stop and pass the time of day with you.
Tony - Another trench! smak Mick - I'll have to put something in his tea.rofl
mick wore that stripey sweater for like 15 years. :)
There were many of those striped sweaters. It wasn't the same one every time. I read that fans knitted them for him along with the hat he wore.
@@tonistinchcomb6247 How awesome. I never knew that. What a great dude he was. R.I.P. Mick.
I have only known about Time Team through TH-cam, it's just my personal opinion but the ones with Mick Aston are the best or classics
Analy retentive Archeologists - Ha Ha Tony is Brilliant.
Mick shoulda told him it was a cunning plan.
And cheeky!
I love Dr. Hadley. I wish she had made more than a couple of appearances on TT.
i love when tony said "yesssss"
One of the better shows.
this is a time machine for tony's hair.
Love the friendships!
15:13 - "... anally retentive archaeologists." - Leave it to Tony to lay down a zinger, here and there ;-)
Very cool. Germanic name. Hohe Wurzeln is high root in German. Sounds like a Name adapted over time to the local dialects.
@ 21:22 - a quick shot of the Mick doll.
@ 32:28 - a closer view of the "infamous" Mick doll!
At 39:20. In my area in the Loire Valley, there was a law that forbade feeding one's staff with salmon more than 6 times a week...
when I first started watching this I thought Tony was an archaeologist lol...
Actually, he was an amateur archaeologist. Tony and Mick were friends for years before the show and had done some archaeology together. When Tim Taylor and Mick were developing the show and they realized they would need a presenter Mick thought Tony would be perfect. He was right.
I miss my good old time team
After watchin many, many of the TT programs I’ve come to the conclusion that Stewart iz the ace above ground az Phil iz below
Too bad they didn't have Lidar back then, that would have been so cool to map all the lumps and bumps before they dug.
Ca (Folsom) Sun will spoil you!!.tough people to live in that gray stuff..
YUM,Fried eel.Feeling spoiled to be born after 1960 N America..
Excellent.
A good episode! And the woman at 32:32 is really cute. .
41:27 Carenza never set foot in any trench during this dig, but yet gets the credit for finding this jug? Another example of her taking credit for herself, when other diggers did all the work. She can't even date pottery when it's found, she has to get the specialists to give her the answer; "Uhh? What do you think..." She's not as smart as they prop her up to be. Helen who later replaces her is far smarter, and far nicer.
Archeaologists often do this. My fav example - the farmer who actually discovered Gobekli Tepe, but the credit goes to Kalus Schimdt, who wasn't even the first archeaologist to 'discover' the site. (The others all but ignored it.) Whatever they can't figure out is almost always ascribed to 'rituals' or 'temples'.
Blah blah blah you boring twit.
I think all the stars don't do a lot of digging. In off shoot vids, filmed after the show ended, Phil's talked about filming . He gets in the trenches after a find is spotted. It's covered with loose soil & he "discovers" it with scraping it away. I always look at his hands & his nails are always clean. I liked Carenza, but I think she gets too excited & is like a teacher who is the only one with the answers. Then experts & specialists came along , like Paul Blinkhorn, Guy de la Bedoieré, Jackie MacKenzie, plus using undergrads, Matt, Raksha, Katie, & Alice Roberts, who was finishing her PhD,in the trenches to supervise & dig instead of going to the local parking lot & hiring day laborers. Alice would later have her own shows. Carenza left for a show of her own, but I agree that Helen was great!
Stay safe & cheers!
that mobile phone lol
salmon and rice is life! 8D
+VIIStar rice pilaf....you bad, bad fish lover:)
highonimmi I'm in SF - as long as it's Rice-a-Roni pilaf you have a deal!
ding ding! XD
that san Francisco treat!!!
The flavor can't be beat...
I want to know how to make fishing line from horsehair! Were they simple plaits or more complex? How did they connect each hair to the next? Maddening-the gents only seem to care about the hooks!
There is a similar if smaller village a few km from me here in Sweden. Some king ordered a reorganization of land plots to consolidate them, and some villages became "unneeded". 🤬
i like the music
TT looks like a union job. 13:20
6 people standing around and Phil in the hole digging.
Note to self, 20:00 don’t ask Mick what cobbwalling means!
I want some of that salmon 🤤
It's anybody's guess as to why these villages vanish. I was looking for one that apparently vanished in the early 1500s because of poor economics. The merchant's changed their travel paths and cut it out. The entire village--wool industry-- died.
miss Robin on the new time team and the intellectuals
Check out time team extras it's a half hour short he did after some digs
I watched American Time Team on PBS yesterday,not a patch on the original.
Missed the salt dough cooking the first time through...
Interesting.
is there anyone who actually likes Mr Robinson?....Stewart is brilliant as always!
nope 🙄
+subhada das Stewart radiates such gentle sweetness, brains and expresses the joy of his work it is truly infectious. I notice that Tony doesn't harass him as much as he does the other experts. Or maybe I am just a little annoyed with Mr. "I Know It All" Tony.
+MamaRoxanne no shit...show some respect to these experts.....more archeologists and less tony.
Tony makes the show accessible for everyone. From kids developing an interest for history and archeology to adults who may not have much background in history or archeology. The target audience is the general public not boffins. Give the guy a break!
is there anyone who likes you. you pompous self-opinionated twit
Chowcasing the cutting-edge technology in phones. I was actually surprised that they weren't "brick-sized" even though this season was filmed in 1997.
The phones youre talking about were from the 80s and pushing 10 years old by this time. All phones were no larger than a granola bar by 97. Hence the Will Ferrell SNL skit with the tiny phone circa 2000. Then around 2001, they started going back up in size to support a larger screen. Phones today are actually larger then they were in the 90s for the screen they're just thinner.
They call that a river? In my part of Florida it would only be a good sized creek.
Is this the first episode in which Tony really tries to rile people up? Over time he did it more and more, and it's often annoying. Carenza - it seems obvious that she's second-in-charge since she is deciding where to put trenches, and the men don't cut her off as readily as earlier seasons. In addition, this was filmed in the year she was told she had cancer, but did not in fact have cancer. So maybe they were being polite due to that.
It's interesting to know Tony disliked "faffing" also. Thanks. I assumed that as a comedian he was okay with being annoying. Glad to know he wasn't ;oP
Not only was she told she had C she had a double mastectomy if memory serves me, and quite a bit of time later, like 2 years she was told that the lab in Sweden where her specimens from biopsy were sent did something wrong and oopsy doopsy , sorry you went thru that ,but we were wrong.
@@lisakilmer2667 Also *Carenza* was the representative of *English Heritage* so her remit was to behave just as she did.
Carenza wasn't second in charge, she's a Field Archeologist, same level as Phil, only she wasn't as smart as Phil and didn't work as hard. Other than her obnoxiously loud mouth, why would you think she's second in charge?
@@OUigot Like with all kinds of work, you have planners and you have workers. The one can not exist without the other.
That jacket 😆.
They said that everyone ate salmon, yet cite a case of someone poaching salmon. You don't poach what you already have access to.
You do if you don't own the river.....
33:51 Bromide!
Carenza continues to butt-in all the time! So glad Tony puts her down a bit. Luckily, the producers caught-on that she was quite rude and a know-it-all. As the series continued, she was pushed back further and further....to the point where she was in the role of historian......to finally, she left the series around the 12th year. Helen was a much more pleasant team member.
idiot
agree, Khasab. These remarks get so tiring, don't they.
Or maybe she just decided that 12 years with Tony was enough..............
@@hthesmith7915 Tony drives me crazy,but he has his pre written script of ideas to speak about. Like any show, they have several takes or they wouldn't be able to have all the camera shots when people are speaking. He's listed as producer. And now a Sir to add. Quite a bit up from Baldric.
@@maeve4686 I like Tony. But maybe Carenza just got tired of the series.
I never knew that medieval Britain had access to rice.
38:00 salmon was abundant, midevil europe a pale shade of culture compared to the salmon nations of the pacific northwest Turtle Island.
What does Mick say at 33:50?
"I'll have to put something in his [Tony's] tea."
hahaha Tony."Anally retentive archaeologists"
ARCHAEOLOGY IS GREAT BUT WITHOUT THE HISTORIAN THE STORY WOULD NOT BE COMPLETE, EVERY STUFF THAT THE ARCHAEOLOGY DIG UP MUST HAVE A HISTORY BEHIND IT AND THAT IS WHERE HISTORIAN COME IN AND FINISH THE STORY.
What does medieval actually mean
In England, I believe it means the time between the Norman Conquest (1066) and the Battle of Bosworth (1485).
What was the group trying to discover?
Danielle Kyriacou a medieval village. Found an Anglo-Saxon village and medieval manor as well.
I’ve held my tongue long enough. I’ve watched dozens of these episodes, and Tony Robinson gets on my last nerve. I don’t see anything wrong in asking questions of why this or that to the Archaeologists. But, it is the manner in which he does it. He berates the experts in a way that has bordered on humiliating them. Especially Mick. He has made snide comments about Mick being wrong about so many things in many episodes. He is only the host of the show. He has no training or degrees in Archaeology. Sometimes he just crosses a boundary of being disrespectful. He should realize that he doesn’t have the education and experience that these guys do, and stop forcefully giving his opinions and criticisms.
Tony and Mick have just the sort of masculine friendship that involves lots of banter and chaffing. You’re assuming true antagonism whereas a lot of this is exaggerated to amuse the viewers.
Also, Tony is not just a hired presenter; he’s one of the producers and I’ve read that the “three-day” limitation was his idea.
So basically it was leveled to make a private game park for a noble because it had been a well fed pack of naughty country folk whose normal behavior got the village sacked!
No, it was probably on its last legs through bad harvests and especially the black death, so they stuck a fork in it. Near where I live, a village washed away over night! They never went back.
When does Carenza stop and Helen Geake start?
+MonaSerwin
Helen took her place in 2005.
+Romel Negut love Helen - she's much more down to earth -
Elizabeth Johnston
Love them both.
Why gone? They just didn't like the name...I bet.
Is this show a man's wear fashion show?
So, is there a Low Worsall?
Yes, there is. It now incorporates what remains of High Worsall.
Underneath the high one 😅
Throw the fish back.
Was rice a part of the English medieval diet?
I don't believe you would find rice in the medieval diet. It would have to be imported from China, Japan or some other Asian country and there wasn't a lot of trade going on at least for rice. Silks and spices was one of the main trade goods at the time.
Even today rice is not in most people's regular diet in the west. I myself to eat quite a bit instead of wheat based noodles etc.
cuba isn't part of europe, however there were trade networks that were extencive in the earlier generations. the budha was found in a viking hoard, and, their trade networks are all the way into russia, so rice would not have been common but it would not have been unheard of...
Greg B sigh... wild rice grows in the wetlands of the united states, and is often in native diets, this is true, however, "western" is a pointless designation on the globe with several land masses as everywhere could be consittered west of any other point
Here's an English medieval recipe for Rice potage from the 15th Century. www.godecookery.com/mtrans/mtrans49.htm Rice was widely farmed in Spain since the Moors invaded in the 8th century.
@@yvonnethompson844 it's not a cartesian reference you stupid git, it's a reference to the independent and common history, peoples, cultures, languages, states and ideas originating from the Western provinces of the Roman Empire which eventually fell under the Western Imperial Court after the death of Emperor Theodicious, whose purview was all Roman provinces west of Aquincum (present day Budapest, Hungary) to Britannia.
Ok not even 4 minutes into the episode and Carenza is trying to shift herself into the shot. Mick is furthest away with the most interesting input. Send her off to get everyone a cup of tea. Geez! She irritates me.
I heart Karenza (or however her name is spelled).
10:31 43:57 ➡ 😍😍😍😍😍😍
C'mon Carenza, stop interrupting people when they are speaking and making a point.
Is that Carenza or Rod Stewart?
Does Robin Daniels know what he's doing? Not clear from this video.
it's Tony's role to come up with narratives that are not all the same, and it could be he has been instructed by directors not to just take all the others say at face value, for whatever reason, and his natural love for drama just overdoes it a little. he is aggravating and insulting but how professional is it to blame unpredictable archaeology for his frustrations? The show is not about following a preconceived script and he seems to think it is. he's the anal one. the others are thankful to find whatever is there, knowing it is all valuable. They could really have a good show without Tony. the jab at Mick was disrespectful and he should have apologized instead of acting superior. he'd probably say well you're discussing it so it worked so what's the problem. sigh.... I think Phil could do a much better job at linking the dig developments than Tony does. But I am glad Tony puts Carenza into relax mode now and then because she overdoes it too. In later shows we see she has learned to work more as a team without promoting her own unique views of what should be done where. Teams lead by listening and giving in to common goals, something Tony does not seem to learn as the shows go along. His actor's temperament, maybe. Its fun to watch with the sound off when the drama gets cloying. Actually there is something creepy about Stewart's hands. Phil makes it all better with those great legs and wild hair and healing sense of humor. I hear he plays guitar too. The one I'd most like to meet. Mick is gone now. All the hard work finally wore him out. Or was that Tony...
the point was to do something different from the droning experts
He's playing the role of the audience, asking the questions that a general audience are probably yelling at the screen. Audience then feels their question has been a bit answered - or at least aired - and can let go of it enough to watch and see what the professionals find.
oh. the experts don't bother me. the fake drama does, but only mildly. no accounting for people's different tastes.
You seem pretty keen on writing drama yourself, ma'am.
Mick is vegetarian and died young. so much for that theory.
silly comment lol we dont know what he died from do we ? he may have had diseases genetically or otherwise we dont know about. There is no doubt that eating more vegetable is healthy for all of us ;-)
Eating more vegetables is great. A green diet is very healthy but not when it's the only diet. There are nutrients in meat that cannot be found in vegetables. Proteins and amino acids
1028dianemarie dbl chk your theories... you have it backwards. Its easy for vegetarians to get the amino acid proteins. there are 20 but you make 11 of them...so the 9 you need in your diet and its not hard at all.
For what it's worth, Mick also drank quite a bit of red wine, also supposed to be protective. It is knowledge in the public domain that Mick almost certainly died of a brain haemorrhage, something he had survived a few years before. I was at work when Mick's son phoned to tell me, and as soon as I heard his voice, I knew. Mick was my friend and mentor, and I still miss the old fellow (as do many of us). Oh yes, and do eat your veggies (and better still, grow them too).
Why does Tony think he can make the decisions when he is just the program host? He should know by now there is a method to how these specialists think.
Gail Howes he is playing the part of the viewer, asking the questions us mere mortals would like to ask and have explained.
Couldn't agree more! He could stop shouting, too. Or maybe he just can't stop shouting. Or arguing with the experts.
@@denisedaly2445 He's also a good amateur archæologist and was a close friend to *Mick Aston.*
he is a part of the team,not just a host.
He was also one of the producers of the show.
Even 5 years in, Tony still doesn't understand the discipline of archaeology and the rational theory behind it. Or, he really does get it but is willing to destroy sites and features to be expeditious. That's 10 times worse if it is the case. Heavy sigh.
+Ann MN yes, tone seems to think he knows more than those who spent their whole fucking careers learning their craft. if he wants more digging give them more time. I miss the time when he was new and was so happy learning shit.
He's playing the audience, I honestly don't think Tony really feels like this -- and they all know it! -- he's letting the ignorant in the audience feel like they've had their objection....
He's playing devils advocate.
The Queen knighted him for his work on it.... so I give him all the credit.
Tony knows Exactly what he is doing and so does everybody else involved..he's one of the producers..whether or not everyone else involved likes it may be a different story...
Whilst met with a chuckle (of sorts), legend has it that Tony’s “anally-retentive archeologists” quip was both the talk-‘o-the-tavern that night and the beginning of the end of involvement for Prof. Mick
Celto Loco I've also read that he was dissatisfied with how it was dumbed down from what it was in the beginning. Over time, it became less like a show teaching people history and archaeology and more like a reality show about archaeologists.
From what I can see (and what I would _assume_ are some of his issues), the first couple of seasons were especially educational, getting into detail about all the equipment and the finds and stuff, and letting the experts explain exactly what they were doing, and how and why. But by even the fifth season, it was already down to less detail and more overview, focusing on Tony as the host running from trench to trench only when a particularly recognizable find was uncovered. Rather than showing the archaeologists and other experts working, it moved to pretty pictures of pottery shards and Tony dramatizing about only having three days. They also did much less of the experimental archaeology as time went on, and I think that showing people how things used to be done was one of the big things about the show at the beginning.
I also read that Mick was especially annoyed when they brought on the new female cohost who used to be a model. IIRC, she had some archaeology education, but I don't think she was using it much on the program. I read that he saw her addition to the show and the accompanying content changes as an even bigger step toward more general entertainment and further from education.
Now, I could be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure I've read that these were some of the things he took issue with and they were all contributing factors to his leaving. It's all very frustrating, because some of us actually WANT to learn and are actually interested in more thought-provoking, intellectual television than TOWIE or the Kardashians. Sigh.
love the armchair psychology. mick and Tony were friends until mick sadly died. those so calley quips were scripted. also just saying I read somethingdoes not make it true.
Janine alderete What armchair psychology? Are you sure that's the phrase you meant to use? I don't see anybody here trying to diagnose or pick apart mental issues or anything like that; what I see is discussion of rumours and possible hearsay, and people being careful to point out that they are not utterly certain that what they're saying is 100% irrefutable truth.
See, that's the point. Saying "I read somewhere" - and going out of your way to do so - pretty heavily implies that it may not be entirely accurate. Whatever one read could have been a silly celebrity article or opinion piece, some fkn rando's blog, a peer-reviewed journal, a textbook (but I'm not aware of any Time Team Behind the Scenes textbooks), or maaaaybe it could have been something written by the subject. Everyone here has been quite careful to say things like "I think I read somewhere..." and, especially, "I _assume_" particularly _because_ they are the polar opposites of "I know for a fact that..." where we come from, especially when emphasised. Maybe it's different where you are? Maybe "legend has it" and "from what I can tell" and "I think I once heard" denote statements of absolute truth on your planet?
Either way, Mick Aston himself was actually rather outspoken on his dissatisfaction with the format and content changes made to the later series of Time Team, and he had a fair few things to say about it. It never had anything to do with Tony, though, _according to what I've read about it_. And I don't think anybody here even hinted that Mick and Tony weren't just the best of friends, if that's what you don't like about this. The producers and television executives are the ones who made the changes that we discussed hearing that Mick had been unhappy with, and who wrote the mentioned snappy quips and all - not Tony. Here is one example (of several that are easily accessible via the internet) of what we've been discussing, something to which Mick contributed himself [which, for my part, I could not at the time remember precisely, which is why I said things like "I read" instead of "I know for certain"]: www.westerndailypress.co.uk/ Professor-Mick-Aston-quit-Time-Team-danger-losing/story-19385703-detail/story.html
Mick Aston's own words [which can easily be falsified, misquoted, and taken out of context, hence the phrase "I read" rather than "it is incontrovertibly true that..." or "I have a video of the man himself saying..."] on the subject at hand, according to the above link that *I read*, were as follows:
*"I’ve decided to quit Time Team because Channel 4 decided to alter the format. There is a lot less archaeological content and a lot more pratting about. I was the archaeological consultant but they decided to get rid of half the archaeological team, without consulting me.
I think it has dumbed down. Let me explain why that is bad for archaeology in general..."*
But, y'know, thank you for your helpful and relevant insight! You've contributed immeasurably to this conversation, and you sure showed us a thing or two!
+schradeya Good points. And Mick's the one who chose Tony for the show in the first place. And they worked together on Time Team for another twelve or thirteen years after this episode, so he couldn't have been too upset by the "anally retentive" remark.
@Douglas Wilde " the beginning of the end of involvement for Prof. Mick" Nonsense - the whole point of the show was the tension between academics and the man on the street. Mick was instrumental in creating that basis and spent his whole life trying to popularize archaeology. Let's not be naive about "reality" tv. not being carefully scripted and produced.