In this video they have a leveler / distriubutor. Please what is the best leveler / distributor for the Dalla Corte Studio (54mm). It is very tricky to find one. Thank you
Rodrigo Sosa what he meant is that the machine itself isn't changing the pressure of the water (like the rocket R Nine One) but is instead adjusting the flow. Obviously, that'll affect the of the water in reference to the bed of coffee but the pressure is an effect of the change in flow. Instead of the flow being an effect of the change in pressure. I hope that makes sense.
@@luchinooliveros2469 you mean the pressure profiling machines? I think that if the controller, actuator and algorithm are good enough, flow and pressure profiling should lead to equal results. Still feel there is a lot of fugazzi in the industry, but then, who am I to judge?
@@rsporta I think the way to control the system is the same (change pressure) but in this case you can choose the desired flow and the controller will work out the pressure vs you choose only the pressure. So the feedback loop is using a flow meter vs a pressure transducer. The DE1+ can work in both modes and it was the few ones in the market to be able to do so (if not the only one) now this seems a worthy competitor. At 8.5k USD I wouldn't be able to justify it tho.
Hi, Marc! Thanks for this awesome video. We have a Mina in our shop in Boston (as well as a DC Pro), and the Expo was so much fun and super interesting. Just a quick clarification: If bluetooth is not enabled or a flow profile is not selected, is it still possible for a barista to use the flow regulator without needing the app? After our tech came from Montreal to sync the app to our chief barista's phone, we noticed that the manual flow regulation wasn't seeming to truly let us manually manipulate the flow profile. Our tech later said that it was not possible to do this and that the app was needed to manually create a flow profile, but that seems wrong, given what we experienced before the app was set up and from what I have read from other home Mina users. I ask because we have many single origins on rotation and our chief barista is not always in the shop, so it would be necessary for all of our baristas to be able to dial in and flow profile on the fly without needing the software. Thanks again!
Have you considered just getting an iPad mini and dedicating it for use at the machine? That way any barista can tune it and customers can perhaps see the profile graph.
@@Chrisisreal978 Honestly, that would be great, but we lack the space (weird as that sounds; we barely have space for the Mina itself) and it would take convincing our higher ups.
Hi LTL, You are welcome for the video. I had a blast at the Expo as well! Here's what you might do to manipulate flow on the fly/manually. Set up a profile in the app that's 5 steps with flow rates at 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 grams per second. You could make the duration 5 seconds for each. Load that to the machine in either the single or double. I load it to the single but it doesn't matter. Then in the app go to setup and scroll down to "SETUP LEVER". There, Select "Sel1" if you loaded the profile to the single or "Sel2" if you loaded it to the double. You can now run those profile steps manually using the lever. Just turn the knob to select the lever icon - 5th light from the left. As you pull the lever down the lights to the right of the knob indicate which step you are on. So pull down a little and you're running at 2g/sec. Pull a little more and you're at 4g/sec and the second light lights up. Pull a little more and your at 6g/sec with 3rd light lit and so on. When running manually with the lever you can go back to a lower or higher flow at any time. If you pull the lever down all the way at the start it runs the profile with timing you set in the app. If you disconnect the app that profile should remain set on the machine until changed with the app. Hope that helps! Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much! I'll tell my chief barista and we can play around with it. The app is necessary, though, to run fully manual? Before our tech set up the app, we were able to just run fully manual with the lever icon, but now that the app is set up, we basically can't do it without it?
@@Chrisisreal978 My chief barista and I talked about this and made a strong case for doing so to our higher ups. It's still up in the air right now, but they ARE considering getting us a small tablet for the Mina, with a car mount or something to attach it to the side of the cup rack.
There is no way you can restrict the flow rate without changing pressure. The pressure remains the same at the point where they have attached their pressure gauge and obviously the flow restrictor is behind the pressure gauge. If you measure the pressure at the group head you will see that the pressure has changed
Great video! Thanks!
Glad you liked it!
In this video they have a leveler / distriubutor. Please what is the best leveler / distributor for the Dalla Corte Studio (54mm). It is very tricky to find one. Thank you
Im sorry but HOW pressure is kept constant while flow is altered? 3:40
Rodrigo Sosa what he meant is that the machine itself isn't changing the pressure of the water (like the rocket R Nine One) but is instead adjusting the flow. Obviously, that'll affect the of the water in reference to the bed of coffee but the pressure is an effect of the change in flow. Instead of the flow being an effect of the change in pressure. I hope that makes sense.
@@luchinooliveros2469 you mean the pressure profiling machines? I think that if the controller, actuator and algorithm are good enough, flow and pressure profiling should lead to equal results. Still feel there is a lot of fugazzi in the industry, but then, who am I to judge?
@@rsporta I think the way to control the system is the same (change pressure) but in this case you can choose the desired flow and the controller will work out the pressure vs you choose only the pressure. So the feedback loop is using a flow meter vs a pressure transducer. The DE1+ can work in both modes and it was the few ones in the market to be able to do so (if not the only one) now this seems a worthy competitor. At 8.5k USD I wouldn't be able to justify it tho.
Hi, Marc! Thanks for this awesome video. We have a Mina in our shop in Boston (as well as a DC Pro), and the Expo was so much fun and super interesting. Just a quick clarification: If bluetooth is not enabled or a flow profile is not selected, is it still possible for a barista to use the flow regulator without needing the app? After our tech came from Montreal to sync the app to our chief barista's phone, we noticed that the manual flow regulation wasn't seeming to truly let us manually manipulate the flow profile. Our tech later said that it was not possible to do this and that the app was needed to manually create a flow profile, but that seems wrong, given what we experienced before the app was set up and from what I have read from other home Mina users. I ask because we have many single origins on rotation and our chief barista is not always in the shop, so it would be necessary for all of our baristas to be able to dial in and flow profile on the fly without needing the software. Thanks again!
Have you considered just getting an iPad mini and dedicating it for use at the machine? That way any barista can tune it and customers can perhaps see the profile graph.
@@Chrisisreal978 Honestly, that would be great, but we lack the space (weird as that sounds; we barely have space for the Mina itself) and it would take convincing our higher ups.
Hi LTL, You are welcome for the video. I had a blast at the Expo as well! Here's what you might do to manipulate flow on the fly/manually. Set up a profile in the app that's 5 steps with flow rates at 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 grams per second. You could make the duration 5 seconds for each. Load that to the machine in either the single or double. I load it to the single but it doesn't matter. Then in the app go to setup and scroll down to "SETUP LEVER". There, Select "Sel1" if you loaded the profile to the single or "Sel2" if you loaded it to the double. You can now run those profile steps manually using the lever. Just turn the knob to select the lever icon - 5th light from the left. As you pull the lever down the lights to the right of the knob indicate which step you are on. So pull down a little and you're running at 2g/sec. Pull a little more and you're at 4g/sec and the second light lights up. Pull a little more and your at 6g/sec with 3rd light lit and so on. When running manually with the lever you can go back to a lower or higher flow at any time. If you pull the lever down all the way at the start it runs the profile with timing you set in the app. If you disconnect the app that profile should remain set on the machine until changed with the app. Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank you so much! I'll tell my chief barista and we can play around with it. The app is necessary, though, to run fully manual? Before our tech set up the app, we were able to just run fully manual with the lever icon, but now that the app is set up, we basically can't do it without it?
@@Chrisisreal978 My chief barista and I talked about this and made a strong case for doing so to our higher ups. It's still up in the air right now, but they ARE considering getting us a small tablet for the Mina, with a car mount or something to attach it to the side of the cup rack.
flow profiling ...thats like the Decent DE-1 ?
No decent is pressure profiling
There is no way you can restrict the flow rate without changing pressure. The pressure remains the same at the point where they have attached their pressure gauge and obviously the flow restrictor is behind the pressure gauge. If you measure the pressure at the group head you will see that the pressure has changed
Hi AO, Thanks for the comment. Pressure and flow are related but are not one and the same.
$200, $300 on Amazon ?
LOL, Let me know when you find that and I'll buy them all!
Marc
More like 3,000
@@Avocado818 More like 9k
Ok it’s a sophisticated machine,,But don’t forget that the coffee bean flavour is NOT consistent.
Shame it is ugly
Hi Chris, As they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Marc