As a person with depression, it really angers me that this guy would try to use it as an excuse to justify his actions. This is how negative stereotypes about people with mental illnesses are perpetuated. There are a lot of people in the world who think that the mentally ill are automatically 'bad' or 'dangerous' because of guys like this who want to use it as an excuse for their shitty behaviour.
I suffer with depression. And I know people who will use the word depression as an excuse to not do work , get days off . Absolutely boils my blood people using it as an excuse. So when I actually needed a mental health break from work I was also labelled as a lazy person using it as an excuse for time off.
@@Tetellia I don't agree with that type of labelling at all, sometimes I have days when I don't want to speak to anyone, and I've skipped meals for a whole day before just to avoid going to the shop, some people just can't understand.
Wouldn't it be so great if Buff was a part of the show and his only job was to taze people? Seeing him run out smiling with the tazer after these creeps would make me so happy.
"Apart" means "away from" or "not part of". So you're actually saying the opposite of what you mean. You want him to be "a part" or "a piece of" the show. Not a grammar nazi, just helping you out 💯
Nah, Ken, you're 100% right. I work as a counselor, and the biggest thing that I tell people is that all feelings are always justified and valid, but not all actions are. It's okay to feel sad or hurt by something, but it is never okay to use your feelings as justification to do something that harms someone else.
@@oren1305 Indeed. I also frequently say this to my clients that have suffered from abuse since they tend to internalize and then blame themselves for the abuse they've suffered. I like to remind them that it's okay to recognize and understand why it happened; but also their actions were shitty, not okay, and more importantly, not your fault.
Predator goes to run away and Chris Hanson holds out his hand and paralyzes them with his predator-seeking telekinetic powers and forces them to sit down
I had an ex that at the end of our relationship I found out he was talking to 15-16 year old girls (he was 25) and when I called him out on it he did the same thing “I was bullied, I’m just really stressed, I’m depressed” blah blah blah. It’s literally just manipulation. He’s doing it so you’ll feel bad and try to help instead of holding him accountable. He used it for the abuse, the assault and talking to young girls. It’s literally all bullshit. Never pity these people because they don’t pity their victims
Been in a similar situation. Had an ex who was sexualy abused as a child. Found out he was taking to a girl who was 13, reported him to police. Like just because you have issues doesn't mean its okay to cause harm to someone else because you can't deal with your past or mental problems in a healthy way
I have a friend who was a victim of her biological father from age 6-12. He was finally prosecuted when she was 16 or so. He got out of prison when she was 24. She visited him in prison, she talks and works with the man now. When I talk to her about it she bounces from agreeing with me about castration or straight up lethal injection to these people, to how it's hard because she's biased, and she gets her dad was a victim himself and has all these issues blablabladeefuckingblaa. I hate him, and I hate how my friend is ruined for life, and I hate how she forgives him. Her brother has the sickness, her grandfather had it. Much evidence points to pedophilia and rape to be hereditary the same way trauma can be. I hate it. And I hate any excuses these dumb chodes have. At the very least, admit you have a problem and you know you need to be locked away for life or killed. Otherwise you will 90% certain continue to ruin others lives. FOREVER.
@@aydadae7337 Its really kinda bad to say someone is ruined for life because they have been abused. It implies no one can recover or have a life after that which isnt true. It sounds like her father is extremely manipulative and being abused from such a young age really warps your identity and how you relate to people and how you view relationships. Its a fkn tragedy. She needs a lot of therapy with a specially trained therapist without that sadly its unlikely she can break free. Its like trauma bonding if you know what that is. Of course on the outside it makes no sense but please try not to criticise her(im not saying you do obv i dont know your relationship) just know that she has been damaged and inside a lot of her understanding is still childlike and fragile. I wish you both the best.
As far as I'm aware, a symptom of depression isn't finding underage children attractive. Why even try using depression as an excuse when the attraction to underage girls is clearly there first.
He probably just wanted to find a way to make himself feel above it all. But using mental illness as an excuse for pedophilia is more than just a questionable way of doing it. He could've found someone to talk to, find healthier coping mechanisms, seek help, but nope! :/
You clearly understand nothing about mental illness then. Severe depression can do all kinds of things to a person. Normal people can do horrible things when under mental duress, and people with a issue in the first place can use it as an outlet. Depression is not the direct cause, but literally anyone can be pushed into doing crazy horrible things.
@@freshcorn1431 Yeah, because, you know, society is so understanding . . . . Even legit doctors have ratted on patience for admitting to such issues in counseling. When any admittance to the issue is criminal, then how tf are people with this mental illness supposed to try to fix it? Not excusing someone acting on it, but let's be realistic here - there is no such thing as safe therapy for people with this problem in the united states.
@@arkainin4638 Erm... no. You are pushed to things like unhealthy coping mechanisms (self harm, drug or alcohol abuse, losing friends, etc) not sexually abusing children. You sound like you tried to take a superior, holier than thou approach when describing one of the most common mental illnesses (which has never included pedophilia as a symptom, fyi) and instead ended up defending a quite literal child predator. Gross.
@@arideblois4115 You just straight up have zero idea what you are talking about. People can be pushed to all sorts of insane and horrible things, inclusion abuse, suicide, murder, really horrible things from severe depression and other issues. The human mind is complex and can do all sorts of strange things when warped by mental illness. For all I know the guy was a predator born and he may be just fated to be like this, even so, therapy and treatment for that condition can lessen the chance of a offense. I'm not defending the actions. I do think a life is a life though, and it is our duty to do whatever is possible to set it right. Failing that, just don't make things worse. Ie : Laying hatred, ignorance, and throwing the jail system at it - which only tends to make people like this worse. Treatment is key if you actually care about children as you claim. If you're answer is to just hate, then you either A are too wrapped up in a sense of righteous self indulgence that you can't understand, which is fair I suppose, or B you're just plain a bad person who would rather see people disposed of then helped or treated.
His chat logs include him pretending to be an 18 year old girl in a 3 way group chat with the decoy trying to convince the decoy to touch themselves, as well as threatening to kill himself when he wasn't getting pics. He's hyper pathetic and these chat logs always erase any kind of sympathy you could ever have for these individuals, but this dude is up there.
So glad you did this episode. As someone with both depression and weight issues, it drives me crazy when people use those kinds of things as an excuse to take advantage of others.
Yess, and it's obviously not that because that's not how it works AND notice how the second he realised he's in trouble he was like "you know what?... 😭 my life is a mess, I'm a depressed fat pathetic loser, wah wah wah 😭" like honestly... I've got depression (somewhat at this point) and other issues but I'd still never do shit like this (or even think of that) or whine about it or use it as an excuse for bad behaviour!
The weight comment as to why he never pursued a career in law enforcement makes me laugh. One of our local officers was 300 lbs and could do front flips. He was the best officer I knew, respected all of the students in the area and showed he was a hero. He unfortunately was KIA and I will never forget how honorable he was. Thank you Nate Carrigan for your service and for actually arresting horrible people like this.
Right, and when I was a ballet dancer there was a girl about that and it was like she is filled with helium, and same for when I was a different kind of dancer... weight/size is not an excuse.
Of the 18 years that I've been depressed, unmotivated, and "in a rut," 11 of them have been in adulthood, yet I've never had the desire to become a predator...
Some do to only get some kind of attention it ain’t right but I’ve heard of men do some questionable things to receive that attention I’ve heard of men paying hookers and strippers just to spill their guts out and cry
Just look at how quickly he changed his whole demeanor after Chris showed up. He was fairly confident when he first came in, trying to touch the decoy and speaking to her about things he wants to do and movie, but then immediately as Chris comes he is a completely different human, all of a sudden he’s depressed and a loser.
Literally. One second “oh I wanna go to Alaska with my buddies” Next second “I have no friends I have nothing to live for” I have to laugh or else I’d cry 🤦♀️
Exactly! the second he realised he's in trouble he was like "you know what?... 😭 my life is a mess, I'm a pathetic loser, wah wah wah 😭" like honestly...
As a person with depression and anxiety I barely leave my house and when it’s bad then even getting out of my room is an achievement. I can’t imagine bothering to try to commit a crime. It’s too much effort.
The worst I've done with my depression and anxiety is throwing a fit. I can relate with not having the gall to leave the house to commit a crime. Like damn I might chicken out if I ever get myself in trouble.
I can understamd feeling lonely. But ive never bden lonely enough to ever consider getting with someone who is underage Even had a girl i was talking to on tinder ask me of age mattered. I told her no....as long as you are over 18. Crazy lady was only 16. Told her I don't date children. She told me she wanted someone mature and that she hated guys her age. Funny thing about me is that I'm 29 and im immature AF. Some people just lack self control. Tried to report her to the site and she hid her profile so I couldnt find it again.
@@taytmw18 good on you for trying to report her. She sounds troubled and she’s bound to find troubles if she keep looking for older man. There’s plenty who will be happy to take advantage.
Nah, this guy literally pointed out that he’s self aware. He knows he comes across creepy. He does it on purpose. He uses that loser card to make other people feel bad for calling him out so he can be the victim. I understand and respect mental illness immensely but I have no sympathy for this man. You don’t get free access to assault children because you’re sad. Wtf. Like I understand that Ken and Buff have to tread lightly bc, the Internet, but I’m full on team burn em at the stake. You lose any right to sympathy or understanding when you are in a home you thought belonged to a child.
I agree 100%. Depression is indescribably hard, but it is not a ‘I get to break the law cuz I’m sad’ card. Murdering people, raping people, assaulting kids, etc isn’t excusable by mental illness in my book. Cuz your victims deserve justice either way
Yah notice how the second he realised he's in trouble he was like "you know what?... 😭 my life is a mess, I'm a pathetic loser, wah wah wah 😭" like honestly...
I suffer from depression, and even attempted suicide in the past, and not ONCE did I ever think "well I got nothing to live for, let's groom a little kid"
@kennedywigington9422 I'm way better now. Obviously depression doesn't just disappear, but I'm doing good. I haven't been in a place that dark in a very long time now. Thank you
If you look at his face, he NEVER shed a single tear. Definitely used to playing the victim card to manipulate people into giving him whatever he wants.
Yea he *instantly* turned on the "woe is me" when he realized he was caught. Seemed content enough when he was going in for the hug. Pretty hard to feel bad for his "oh my life is so hard!" thing when he immediately uses it as a shield after getting caught preying on children.
Idk. I've seen a few people in comment sections that could rationalize this...lol..saw it in his video about that weirdo that married zombie child dolls.
@@niharikakhullar7675 well yeah I know it's not illegal like what this dude is doing..it's just wrong..like..practice for doing the real thing...I'm not here trying to say anything..my OG comment simply was I've seen people try and rationalize this behavior in comment sections. That its. A simple response to OP comment. Not trying to make a statement on anything and certainly don't feel like splitting hairs over what's considered child abuse behavior
Even IF he is actually suffering with bipolar (which tbh, I think he just made up for sympathy), and even IF his condition played any part in this encounter, he's still accountable and responsible for his actions. Especially given that he's allegedly fully aware of his condition and receiving treatment for it. So sick of people using mental health to excuse bad behavior. It only further creates a negative stigma around it, which only hurts those who do suffer with mental health issues. They're normal people just like everyone else. In fact, majority of those suffering from mental health issues live completely mediocre, normal, everyday lives just like anyone else. They don't deserve to feel like outcasts cuz some criminal aholes, especially online "influencer" aholes (i.e. Gabby Hanna, trysha paytas, shane dawson, etc) use mental health issues like they're accessories to flaunt, victim cards to pull, etc. Sorry for my rant 🤣 I'm passionate on the subject.
I'm diagnosed as schizoaffective bipolar with a long list of other mental disorders and as someone who was sexually abused for 6 years on a daily basis.... I gotta say I never sought out children to exploit. Can we bring burning people alive just for these sick fucks? I'll sign that petition.
Depression is absolutely NOOO excuse to be a paedophile predator! I've suffered severe depression, and I've known many friends who have as well, and none of us did anything like this!
I gotta say I really like how Chris handled this one. Empathetic enough to be nice about what he's been through while also making it clear that his actions are not OK at all
Why is everyone's excuse being depressed. I have been clinically depressed for years not once have I thought of going after a minor. Instead I found someone who loves me and helps me through it.
@Mr. Graves Much love to you man. Believe me yeah honestly we appreciate y'all so much. You guys put up with us when we are at our worst and help us get back up when no longer feel like we can. Thank you guys. I'm sure you have made your fiance extremely happy
I like Buff and Ken's style, and I agree that it does feel like hanging out with friends, telling jokes and such. Ken reminds me of my 10th grade history teacher. He always told jokes and made the lessons fun.
chris being nice to him is actually an investigation tacit, they suggest being nice and treating them like a person, trying to understand their feelings and where they're coming from, because it makes them comfortable and they're more likely to confess
“My life sucks!” I wish Tony Soprano was there to tell him “You’re 19. You’ve barely even had a life!” But for real, this guy is a professional victim. He can’t take responsibility for actions and would rather wallow in self pity than actually improve his life.
Seriously. Like he's having these thoughts damn that sucks! Go see a therapist and get help. Avoid kids. Don't target youngsters online to try and get some. That's just beyond sick man.
DO NOT feel bad for this kid. I felt bad for him too, then I read his chatlogs and I can’t believe I ever had a drop of empathy for him. One of the worst ever
@@katangel115 well I think Walker Texas ranger is going to have to do some work on himself rather then use the suicide card to manipulate other people.
Ironic how the guy said he’s suffering from depression because if he was able to assault that girl she would’ve been left with a lifetime of depression and other mental issues. What a creep
not really, those that stay and sit is like one out of 30-50 guys they have visit. all of them run away, just look at earlier episodes, they didnt even have cops waiting those pedos just ran into the sunset to do the exact same thing the very next day.
my best guess is that it's a high stress situation, so the brain is focusing on survival over critical thinking, and in a split second decides that the best way to survive the situation is to comply.
I was in a “relationship” with a grown man from 12-14 and that has effected me for life- zero sympathy for these guys! I’m still 11 years younger than he was when we first met and I cannot imagine talking to a 12-14 year old in that way even a little.
I totally agree with Ken on this, when it comes to depression and having it it's no laughing matter. But when you claim to have depression and then you go around and do this deplorable act all sympathy towards you go straight out the window. P.S. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BABY 🍼
@@laurenk3459 when you start hurting minors and blaming it on depression, you're using your mental illness. When you harm other people, they're not required to have sympathy for you. It's called consequences for your actions, and even people with mental illness need to experience them too.
Tbh on another video he was talking about the sub graph and said that anyone who isn't subbed he was disappointed in them and that made me sub instantly
@@caracalcontinuum3118 I'm trangender and gay af, will never have children, I agree. There is a natural empathy, but then you remember what these creatures are.
"I wasn't going to do anything" right after "I got nothing to live for anyway" is just so incongruent, if it wasn't already obvious what his plans were he certainly solidified it there
Not just control, but feel empowered and validated and wonderful and superior and none of the things a grown ass woman would let him pretend to be. He is a prime example of having an ego greater than his IQ--which prolly sums up a lot of criminals
You can feel bad for someone, empathize with the situation they're in, and even feel bad about the punishment they'll receive; and simultaneously be repulsed by their actions. People are incredibly complex, and while their actions may affect the rest of their life, it doesn't define their entire life. It's okay to empathize with people who have done even the greatest acts of evil. Just as long as you remember that no amount of tragedy in your own life justifies creating tragedy in others' lives.
If we humans had any less empathy than we have the world would be much darker than it already is. As bad as it may seem we need people who can feel such empathy and feels for everyone including the most evil of us humans because with our people like that we would never know there is good in the world
Chris really brought out the dad in him in this one. Realizes that in this situation he’s gotta take the soft route while still holding him accountable.
But how can someone justify showing up to a 13 year old's house for bad intentions? It's not like they made a mistake and said whoops. They always have ill intention and these people won't stop trying to harm kids until they get more jail time. Hence why there are too many who just hop back on the computer... it's sick.
I think the reason chris is being so patient is that for once the guy is actually having an open psychological dialog and I think that's what Chris ultimately wants; Chris wants insight that can be used for prevention so he can get on the other end of the problem where he can help these people before they put themselves here instead of just locking up dude after dude after dude.
Never in the darkest depths of my spiral when I needed human touch the most did I ever try to prey on anyone, much less a child. There’s no excuse. Period.
I love the empathetic side of Chris we see in this episode. Usually Chris takes pleasure in rubbing the truth into these creeps’ faces, but this time he seemed to take an approach of “you fucked up bad but you have your whole life ahead of you” and thats a really cool thing to see from him.
@@retts75 Ah, well sorry no. It's just that you can see how uncomfortable the girls are around these predators even with all the camera crew and police behind the scenes, and tbf I don't think anyone would want to be near a buncha creeps for long anyways. That's just what I gleaned from all the videos tho, so I can't really speak for anyone.
@@freshcorn1431 was just the wording or f the first part sorry. These are prob chicks that'd feel more anger than fear I'd imagine. Prob have read the transcripts and are like "youf**k!!" Keep in mind they're all acting majors and the like. They have seemed pretty relaxed every interview I've seen bar the gun scare guy
No matter how often I watch this episode, I can't get over this dude blaming the way he dresses for people thinking he's weird as if he had no control over what clothes he buys and puts on.
not only that, i used to wear weird shit and people did make fun of me, and yes i was a weird person with weird interests as well (currently studying to be a forensic pathologist because of my fixation with death/autopsy) but I was never inclined to participate in objectively heinous or immoral practices/beliefs because of these factors. The fact that he is blaming these actions on something that is difficult to even be tangentially related is really gross, and furthers the ideology that stigmatizes/demonizes people suffering with mental illness regardless of how tame. Its truly disappointing
@@wolf2966 not the person you want an answer from, but in my experience it's in our blood as animals that rely on judgment and perception to quantify safety of an area/situation to include factors such as representation. Being able to preemptively judge what is a safe versus unsafe situation based on visual clues is what allowed us to survive this long, so it's imperative to how we operate. Its only recently that we have adapted physical appearance or trademarks to define who we are in a sect or define/express our individuality, so of course it's only in our nature to be skeptical of those who do not fit within our pre-determined box of what we deem "safe". I could make this into a whole lecture, and I know i'm already bordering on that, but basically, it is coded within our nature to automatically judge someone or something based on appearance whether it is subconscious or deliberate. Personally, I wear and do whatever it is I feel comfortable doing that expresses who I am, but I am also aware of the reactions it may generate from others who see it as a "threat" or "unconventional" and thus have negative opinions. Bottom line, people judge for everything and that's totally normal even if theyre assholes, but if you're going to express yourself in any way that goes against the grain you have to be ready to deal with that and not take things too personal because it's only in our blood to judge.
Looking for a therapist might have contributed to what made him this way. They are not the way to getting anything fixed. And they have to be the only people on the planet who don’t understand pedophilia is a bad thing.
Speaking as the perspective of a young girl, if I ever saw anyone with their pants that high, I would run. Also CONGRATULATIONS! Hope you and Mary are enjoying your new little ray of sunshine 🌞 🥰 Love your videos too 💖
No excuses no matter the individual, even unfortunate those who are victims or exposed to some form of molestation, doesn't warrant or excuse even the mere reasoning behind doing anything inappropriate or contact related with a underage person. Ken your feelings are justified, Buffs expressions actually spoke clearly 🤣 no tazing needed just lock him up to serve his time.
I mean, that does literally nothing to help. Just locking someone up is factually and studied to be less than useless when it comes to a deterrent. Therapy, empathy, and accountability are what changes people and makes society safer.
i hate when people like this always have to claim themselves as bipolar to blame their actions on the illness because it makes the stigma for people with bipolar (like me) even worse it makes me so angry.
so, you believe people are responsible for their own actions? A guy who has been raped by his father and grandfather for 14+ years and then becomes a predator himself is.......his own fault and choice? You see how fucked that is? OBVIOUSLY what he did is not ok whatsoever and he should see consequences. But saying he is a bad person because he couldve chosen different is just as bad. You denying him his humanity, saying he couldve just chosen differently, when the fact of the matter is, that his upbringing couldnt have produced anything else. Just because you had good parents that taught you how to be a decent human, you arent a better person than anyone else, you just got lucky with your upbringing. Actions do have consequences, but nobody is "at fault" or a bad person for what happened to them and they consequently did to other people. i know its hard to accept, but free will is an illusion.
@@liahamilton8931 You also think its weird that people in wheelchairs use that as an excuse for not walking? Kinda the same to me, If your mental disability makes you do things , then its hardly your fault, like i said. Its not your fault, but your actions have consequences. Thats just the fact of the matter.
@@acidsteve9837 yeah dude I never said otherwise. I’m literally saying that I’m tired of people trying to get out of those consequences by saying they have an illness.
when you do something you KNOW is bad, even smallest things like taking food from the kitchen, someone catching you will always make you want to follow what they say to avoid the most trouble
9:22 - Chris Hansen saw his life flash before his eyes 😂. Literally heard this guy say he has nothing to live for anymore and then looked like he was reaching for a gun.
My favourite part is when the Predator thinks he will actually get away with it and for a split moment he thinks he will just go away and then WHAM! Police!
9:20 Look at Chris' reaction to him reaching into his pocket. I mean jeez... Its almost a wonder he has made it this long without getting shot by a psycho. If that had been a gun hes dead.
I'll be honest, I am surprised that it hasn't happened yet. Though I suspect that something almost happened because the new stuff has the dude getting busted by the cops THEN Chris comes out.
@@purrfection2208 I've been hurt a lot throughout my life and I've never hurt anyone else because I know what that pain feels like so I wouldn't want to inflict that on someone else.
This was a hard episode to watch. I have depression and I’ve been suicidal in the past. I don’t know for sure if this guy was genuinely having a breakdown or just acting it up in order to get sympathy but it seemed like a very real breakdown to me. I’ve been where he was at and I’m grateful to Hansen for doing this interview like he did because it snapped me out of feeling bad for him as soon as he started reading those text messages. When you’re hurt you don’t go out and hurt those who are most vulnerable regardless of how you’re feeling. What he did was not okay and his mental illness isn’t an excuse to do something like that.
He literally said he was going to texas with his buddies. And then when caught he has no pals all of a sudden Wake up Not a single tear came out That wasn't a real breakdown..that was manipulation at its peak
From San Antonio and I agree. Im politically VERY liberal, however the amount of protections put on inmates that have these kinds of convictions are ridiculous. I say let everyone know who they are and what they did and let them deal with the consquences lol. In my life of being in and out of addiction, the only times Ive heard of people being robbed/shot/targeted and dying was because they were a sexual offender or offender to minors.
Way more respectable than grooming kids though. Any other thing that he thinks made him a loser wouldn't have been as bad as what he was trying to do with the girl.
this guy is the reason why Big Ed makes me so uncomfortable. Ed acts the same as this guy. Touches/kisses women without consent. When hes rejected or called out for his wrong doing, he announces all his flaws like hes troubled... then continues to do the same shit.
Common threads in abusers; perpetual victim complexes. Thye make you feel bad for them, and then use it to keep you trapped. The prey often on younger people who are less confident, are easier to control. They're scared of confident, assertive adults. Big Ed of No Neck preys not on children, mind you, but on women much younger than him.
@@oren1305 predators are predators, no matter they're prey. it makes me so uncomfortable. the other shows Ken and Buff commentate show, that TLC love to show men abusing and grooming women.
never understood the obsession with big ed. he preys on young vulnerable women and treats them horribly but people laugh at it like it's a silly little joke. men like big ed are pathetic and insufferable. they truly think they're victims even though they are genuinely terrible people and it drives me nuts. seriously why are so many people obsessed with him??
@@lexuses3942 Of all the things my mum put up with as a teacher, the smelly kids in unconditioned classrooms in the summer was the worst thing she had to deal with 🤢🤮
“Look I had a father who was overweight it’s tough” That’s such a weird statement. Was it tough for you? Or tough for him? There is a difference in being self conscious and overweight and saying “hmmm guess I’m going to screw kids now”
But even then it was his FATHER. So really it never affected him. If he said "oh my father was abusive" that affects him, but regardless in no situation does it justify his evil.
lmao Im pretty sure "I'm such a loser and I have no motivations in life, this is why I turned out like this" is an excuse/reason for doing drugs, not being a child predator
I agree its no excuse for a child predator, but doing drugs isn't an excuse either. My dad did hard drugs and became aggressive and ended up abusing me.
I get that having a depression and such sucks. I suffer from severe depression, anxiety and some other stuff. I know how it feels to wanna give up and hate life. But it’s NOT and excuse to do that. It’s never ever okay to try and do that to kids. I feel for the people who suffer with mental issues. But it’s not okay. I hope this dude actually was honest and didn’t just say it for pity, and he then gets some help.
Of course it is not an excuse. it is mitigating though. There is a difference between a unrepentant predator and someone who made a mistake during severe mental distress. Action is wrong eitherway, but there is a difference in how it should be handled.
I bet this guy does want to be a cop...Is there a better job in the mind of a predator than one that gives you unchallenged authority, the ability to get a very young girl alone repeatedly every day, and a badge to hide behind? That is the most terrifying thing this guy could have said.
He shouldn’t have been empathetic. Dude automatically went straight to “my life sucks, feel bad for me” and didn’t shed a single tear. He just wanted to get sympathy to get out of their
I don’t get why the predators say “I knew this would happen…knew it was a set-up” as what is dumber than “knowing” something is a child predator sting, and deciding you really want a piece of that and showing up.
As a person with depression, it really angers me that this guy would try to use it as an excuse to justify his actions. This is how negative stereotypes about people with mental illnesses are perpetuated. There are a lot of people in the world who think that the mentally ill are automatically 'bad' or 'dangerous' because of guys like this who want to use it as an excuse for their shitty behaviour.
Yep. Same here. Using it as a manipulation tool reflects badly on those who just struggle with it.
I hate the stereotype that mental illness can be categorized at all
@@SleezDeez maybe it has to be categorised so it's dealt with properly? I mean by doctors etc.
I suffer with depression. And I know people who will use the word depression as an excuse to not do work , get days off . Absolutely boils my blood people using it as an excuse. So when I actually needed a mental health break from work I was also labelled as a lazy person using it as an excuse for time off.
@@Tetellia I don't agree with that type of labelling at all, sometimes I have days when I don't want to speak to anyone, and I've skipped meals for a whole day before just to avoid going to the shop, some people just can't understand.
Wouldn't it be so great if Buff was a part of the show and his only job was to taze people? Seeing him run out smiling with the tazer after these creeps would make me so happy.
Hansen: take a seat
Predator: no
Hansen: ok then PLAN B
Buff: your time has come
Man I'd do that job for free💖
@@zeropercentgrassfed hell yh
"Apart" means "away from" or "not part of". So you're actually saying the opposite of what you mean. You want him to be "a part" or "a piece of" the show. Not a grammar nazi, just helping you out 💯
@@J.R.Steel85 grammar nazi
Nah, Ken, you're 100% right.
I work as a counselor, and the biggest thing that I tell people is that all feelings are always justified and valid, but not all actions are.
It's okay to feel sad or hurt by something, but it is never okay to use your feelings as justification to do something that harms someone else.
That harms someone else OR yourself
I cannot like this comment enough; keep doing what you're doing.
So many people are hurting, but also using it to hurt others.
@@saraz.1561 both
@@oren1305 Indeed. I also frequently say this to my clients that have suffered from abuse since they tend to internalize and then blame themselves for the abuse they've suffered. I like to remind them that it's okay to recognize and understand why it happened; but also their actions were shitty, not okay, and more importantly, not your fault.
Fully agree. I'm diagnosed with depression, anxiety and PTSD. That doesn't mean I get to go out and shoot someone.
Ah yes, the OG "Not a groomer, just a loser". Takes me back.
Chris:"my dad was overweight too"
Chris's dad: 👁️👄👁️
I was thinking that same thing
Chris Dad: 💀
💀🤣
I think his dad was dead literally the way he said it or he lost a lot of weight!!
@@johnstanley6815
chris’ dad in heaven: 👁👄👁
Predator goes to run away and Chris Hanson holds out his hand and paralyzes them with his predator-seeking telekinetic powers and forces them to sit down
The force is strong with this one.
@@NobodyxImportant looks to be from deltarune
I swear, it works almost all the time!
. . . take a seat . . .
@@NobodyxImportant Yes it's Kris from deltarune!
I had an ex that at the end of our relationship I found out he was talking to 15-16 year old girls (he was 25) and when I called him out on it he did the same thing “I was bullied, I’m just really stressed, I’m depressed” blah blah blah. It’s literally just manipulation. He’s doing it so you’ll feel bad and try to help instead of holding him accountable. He used it for the abuse, the assault and talking to young girls. It’s literally all bullshit. Never pity these people because they don’t pity their victims
Been in a similar situation. Had an ex who was sexualy abused as a child. Found out he was taking to a girl who was 13, reported him to police. Like just because you have issues doesn't mean its okay to cause harm to someone else because you can't deal with your past or mental problems in a healthy way
This is the most valuable comment.
I have a friend who was a victim of her biological father from age 6-12. He was finally prosecuted when she was 16 or so. He got out of prison when she was 24. She visited him in prison, she talks and works with the man now.
When I talk to her about it she bounces from agreeing with me about castration or straight up lethal injection to these people, to how it's hard because she's biased, and she gets her dad was a victim himself and has all these issues blablabladeefuckingblaa.
I hate him, and I hate how my friend is ruined for life, and I hate how she forgives him. Her brother has the sickness, her grandfather had it. Much evidence points to pedophilia and rape to be hereditary the same way trauma can be. I hate it. And I hate any excuses these dumb chodes have. At the very least, admit you have a problem and you know you need to be locked away for life or killed. Otherwise you will 90% certain continue to ruin others lives. FOREVER.
My friend's ex is going away for 15 years for pedophilic activity. It sounds to me that your ex wants an enabler, not an accountability partner.
@@aydadae7337 Its really kinda bad to say someone is ruined for life because they have been abused. It implies no one can recover or have a life after that which isnt true.
It sounds like her father is extremely manipulative and being abused from such a young age really warps your identity and how you relate to people and how you view relationships. Its a fkn tragedy.
She needs a lot of therapy with a specially trained therapist without that sadly its unlikely she can break free. Its like trauma bonding if you know what that is.
Of course on the outside it makes no sense but please try not to criticise her(im not saying you do obv i dont know your relationship) just know that she has been damaged and inside a lot of her understanding is still childlike and fragile.
I wish you both the best.
"becoming a pedophile" is not a symptom of depression.
Yes, but can turn into such extents
@@englishexperts1974 sounds like excuses
@@englishexperts1974 you must be an expert, what makes somebody a pedophile?
@@englishexperts1974 nope
Honestly, even the desperation argument is dumb, you were definitely a pedo before you were depressed, no question about it lmao
He’s not crying because of his depression, he’s crying cause he got caught and he’s using his depression as an excuse
He's not even crying. He just scrunches up his face and sounds "sad."
*ToonkriticY2K, LionMaker, and several other bronies have left the chat*
yes! exactly! from one destiny to another, thank you for saying what needs to be said
He’s using it as a scapegoat, not an excuse. Excuses are usually feasible, defined as a reason for x.
Exactly. Depression and failing to peak at least in HS doesn't excuse grooming pubescent and pre-pubescent children.
I like how Chris handled it. He was empathetic but not forgiving.
I was also empathetic until I saw the dudes text messages with the “minor”
@@Joegattofan27 I've read/heard the whole thing and... yep, agree.
Chris did seem more softer spoken here. Even the cops when they arrested him seems to be more soft spoken than they normally are in this situation.
@@Joegattofan27 What is Ph. D?
@@samanthaadams619 They're humans just like you
As far as I'm aware, a symptom of depression isn't finding underage children attractive. Why even try using depression as an excuse when the attraction to underage girls is clearly there first.
He probably just wanted to find a way to make himself feel above it all. But using mental illness as an excuse for pedophilia is more than just a questionable way of doing it. He could've found someone to talk to, find healthier coping mechanisms, seek help, but nope! :/
You clearly understand nothing about mental illness then. Severe depression can do all kinds of things to a person. Normal people can do horrible things when under mental duress, and people with a issue in the first place can use it as an outlet. Depression is not the direct cause, but literally anyone can be pushed into doing crazy horrible things.
@@freshcorn1431 Yeah, because, you know, society is so understanding . . . . Even legit doctors have ratted on patience for admitting to such issues in counseling. When any admittance to the issue is criminal, then how tf are people with this mental illness supposed to try to fix it? Not excusing someone acting on it, but let's be realistic here - there is no such thing as safe therapy for people with this problem in the united states.
@@arkainin4638 Erm... no. You are pushed to things like unhealthy coping mechanisms (self harm, drug or alcohol abuse, losing friends, etc) not sexually abusing children. You sound like you tried to take a superior, holier than thou approach when describing one of the most common mental illnesses (which has never included pedophilia as a symptom, fyi) and instead ended up defending a quite literal child predator. Gross.
@@arideblois4115 You just straight up have zero idea what you are talking about. People can be pushed to all sorts of insane and horrible things, inclusion abuse, suicide, murder, really horrible things from severe depression and other issues. The human mind is complex and can do all sorts of strange things when warped by mental illness. For all I know the guy was a predator born and he may be just fated to be like this, even so, therapy and treatment for that condition can lessen the chance of a offense.
I'm not defending the actions. I do think a life is a life though, and it is our duty to do whatever is possible to set it right. Failing that, just don't make things worse. Ie : Laying hatred, ignorance, and throwing the jail system at it - which only tends to make people like this worse. Treatment is key if you actually care about children as you claim.
If you're answer is to just hate, then you either A are too wrapped up in a sense of righteous self indulgence that you can't understand, which is fair I suppose, or B you're just plain a bad person who would rather see people disposed of then helped or treated.
His chat logs include him pretending to be an 18 year old girl in a 3 way group chat with the decoy trying to convince the decoy to touch themselves, as well as threatening to kill himself when he wasn't getting pics. He's hyper pathetic and these chat logs always erase any kind of sympathy you could ever have for these individuals, but this dude is up there.
I've often wondered about the chats. I guess that's where the manipulations really occur, obviously.
Holy shit, any sympathy I had for him just left the damn building 😬
that makes it so much worse cause hes not even being genuinely remorseful or regretful hes trying to make people feel bad for him
bro what the fuck 🤢
So glad you did this episode. As someone with both depression and weight issues, it drives me crazy when people use those kinds of things as an excuse to take advantage of others.
It angers me. Greatly.
Too what the hell
Yess, and it's obviously not that because that's not how it works AND notice how the second he realised he's in trouble he was like "you know what?... 😭 my life is a mess, I'm a depressed fat pathetic loser, wah wah wah 😭" like honestly... I've got depression (somewhat at this point) and other issues but I'd still never do shit like this (or even think of that) or whine about it or use it as an excuse for bad behaviour!
So true Plenty of overweight and depressdd people don’t do this stuff
Do the best you can every day peeps, small steps add up.
Love yourselves
How the predator wanted it to go:
Hansen: Wait. Your life sucks?! Bro. You're free to go.
How it's actually going to go:
Police: "Yeah... you're still going to prison."
Having child p0rnagraphy was another addition during his interrogation.
The weight comment as to why he never pursued a career in law enforcement makes me laugh. One of our local officers was 300 lbs and could do front flips. He was the best officer I knew, respected all of the students in the area and showed he was a hero. He unfortunately was KIA and I will never forget how honorable he was. Thank you Nate Carrigan for your service and for actually arresting horrible people like this.
Did he land the front flips?
@@poewy rumor has it he even landed a double backflip when. He got shot down
Right, and when I was a ballet dancer there was a girl about that and it was like she is filled with helium, and same for when I was a different kind of dancer... weight/size is not an excuse.
We all need a Nate in our lives 👏
@@poewy That’s what I’m saying 😂 SHOW ME that 😂 we all want to see it
Of the 18 years that I've been depressed, unmotivated, and "in a rut," 11 of them have been in adulthood, yet I've never had the desire to become a predator...
Some do to only get some kind of attention it ain’t right but I’ve heard of men do some questionable things to receive that attention I’ve heard of men paying hookers and strippers just to spill their guts out and cry
cause you're a woman lmao
you could just 'order' d**k on tinder 🤣
your depression is not the same as everyone else’s
I gained 60 pounds in the last few years, I still don’t have an attraction to kids.
@@kerraptregolls4929 depression isn't an excuse to violate children. Tf are you even saying!?
Just look at how quickly he changed his whole demeanor after Chris showed up. He was fairly confident when he first came in, trying to touch the decoy and speaking to her about things he wants to do and movie, but then immediately as Chris comes he is a completely different human, all of a sudden he’s depressed and a loser.
Literally. One second “oh I wanna go to Alaska with my buddies”
Next second “I have no friends I have nothing to live for”
I have to laugh or else I’d cry 🤦♀️
Can only act big and bad with a teenager, the moment an Adult shows up (I refuse to call him one) he turns into a little bitch.
He did say (assuming it's true), that he suffers from Bi-polar depression and such.
Exactly! the second he realised he's in trouble he was like "you know what?... 😭 my life is a mess, I'm a pathetic loser, wah wah wah 😭" like honestly...
That’s most human beings. FAKE
As a person with depression and anxiety I barely leave my house and when it’s bad then even getting out of my room is an achievement. I can’t imagine bothering to try to commit a crime. It’s too much effort.
Yeah i feel that, heck im afraid of not tipping enough when i pick up the take out.
The worst I've done with my depression and anxiety is throwing a fit. I can relate with not having the gall to leave the house to commit a crime. Like damn I might chicken out if I ever get myself in trouble.
I can understamd feeling lonely. But ive never bden lonely enough to ever consider getting with someone who is underage
Even had a girl i was talking to on tinder ask me of age mattered. I told her no....as long as you are over 18. Crazy lady was only 16. Told her I don't date children. She told me she wanted someone mature and that she hated guys her age. Funny thing about me is that I'm 29 and im immature AF. Some people just lack self control. Tried to report her to the site and she hid her profile so I couldnt find it again.
@@taytmw18 good on you for trying to report her. She sounds troubled and she’s bound to find troubles if she keep looking for older man. There’s plenty who will be happy to take advantage.
Making dinner is too much effort. Screw actually leaving home for anything.
Nah, this guy literally pointed out that he’s self aware. He knows he comes across creepy. He does it on purpose. He uses that loser card to make other people feel bad for calling him out so he can be the victim. I understand and respect mental illness immensely but I have no sympathy for this man. You don’t get free access to assault children because you’re sad. Wtf. Like I understand that Ken and Buff have to tread lightly bc, the Internet, but I’m full on team burn em at the stake. You lose any right to sympathy or understanding when you are in a home you thought belonged to a child.
I agree 100%. Depression is indescribably hard, but it is not a ‘I get to break the law cuz I’m sad’ card. Murdering people, raping people, assaulting kids, etc isn’t excusable by mental illness in my book. Cuz your victims deserve justice either way
Instead of witches, these p3dos should've burn years ago
@@realswobby The Catholic Church would've never approved of that.
@@Ohflipsnap They would have to burn themselves lmao
Yah notice how the second he realised he's in trouble he was like "you know what?... 😭 my life is a mess, I'm a pathetic loser, wah wah wah 😭" like honestly...
I suffer from depression, and even attempted suicide in the past, and not ONCE did I ever think "well I got nothing to live for, let's groom a little kid"
Hey hope your doing okay
@kennedywigington9422 I'm way better now. Obviously depression doesn't just disappear, but I'm doing good. I haven't been in a place that dark in a very long time now. Thank you
for some reason your profile picture makes this comment really funny
If you look at his face, he NEVER shed a single tear. Definitely used to playing the victim card to manipulate people into giving him whatever he wants.
Yea he *instantly* turned on the "woe is me" when he realized he was caught. Seemed content enough when he was going in for the hug. Pretty hard to feel bad for his "oh my life is so hard!" thing when he immediately uses it as a shield after getting caught preying on children.
Yeah I noticed that, not a *single* tear 😒
Not this time, you nasty freak!
Ken, I promise, none of us are sitting here thinking you're being too tough on child predators.
Idk. I've seen a few people in comment sections that could rationalize this...lol..saw it in his video about that weirdo that married zombie child dolls.
@@sselluoss5935 still better than being a child predator
@@TheUncleDolanShow barley. It's the same "ball park" IMO. All of it is just fucked up.
@@sselluoss5935 still a doll for now , weird but you can't put them in prison for it.
@@niharikakhullar7675 well yeah I know it's not illegal like what this dude is doing..it's just wrong..like..practice for doing the real thing...I'm not here trying to say anything..my OG comment simply was I've seen people try and rationalize this behavior in comment sections. That its. A simple response to OP comment. Not trying to make a statement on anything and certainly don't feel like splitting hairs over what's considered child abuse behavior
Trying to tie bipolar into what he was doing actually makes me more mad. My fiance suffers from that as does my mom. It doesn't make you a predator
Even IF he is actually suffering with bipolar (which tbh, I think he just made up for sympathy), and even IF his condition played any part in this encounter, he's still accountable and responsible for his actions. Especially given that he's allegedly fully aware of his condition and receiving treatment for it. So sick of people using mental health to excuse bad behavior. It only further creates a negative stigma around it, which only hurts those who do suffer with mental health issues. They're normal people just like everyone else. In fact, majority of those suffering from mental health issues live completely mediocre, normal, everyday lives just like anyone else. They don't deserve to feel like outcasts cuz some criminal aholes, especially online "influencer" aholes (i.e. Gabby Hanna, trysha paytas, shane dawson, etc) use mental health issues like they're accessories to flaunt, victim cards to pull, etc.
Sorry for my rant 🤣 I'm passionate on the subject.
My best friend is bipolar. He's never gone after kids. Nasty ass bitch!
I’m bipolar and never once have I even had the inclination to talk to someone underage.
He infuriates me.
Absolutely!!!
I'm diagnosed as schizoaffective bipolar with a long list of other mental disorders and as someone who was sexually abused for 6 years on a daily basis.... I gotta say I never sought out children to exploit. Can we bring burning people alive just for these sick fucks? I'll sign that petition.
Depression is absolutely NOOO excuse to be a paedophile predator! I've suffered severe depression, and I've known many friends who have as well, and none of us did anything like this!
I gotta say I really like how Chris handled this one. Empathetic enough to be nice about what he's been through while also making it clear that his actions are not OK at all
Exactly and yah he's only 19 but that's old enough to know better when it comes to that
I'm glad he also threw out the "I'm not that big but I can fit inside you." so he doesn't have to worry about that anymore.
Man to Man ... Will you promise to get some help ... This too shall pass - Chris Hansen
FYI to Tex here: you’re not gonna be able to cry your way out of jailhouse beatings. It’ll actually probably (hopefully) make them worse.
Haha I'm with you on that one.
Oh, I'm sure he's gonna be a lot more depressed in a few years, if he even survives.
@@couragekarnga8735 frankly the amount of them that get beat to death is TOO low
yeah those peckerwoods really hate kid fuckers
Oh, no.. The big Johns of the jailhouse love it when them little nothing's cry. It makes their day.. Especially in the showers.
Why is everyone's excuse being depressed. I have been clinically depressed for years not once have I thought of going after a minor. Instead I found someone who loves me and helps me through it.
Glad that you found someone who can help you :)
@@idkwhatimdoing7206 Thank you, I appreciate that. She is very patient with me even when I'm at my worst.
@Mr. Graves Much love to you man. Believe me yeah honestly we appreciate y'all so much. You guys put up with us when we are at our worst and help us get back up when no longer feel like we can. Thank you guys. I'm sure you have made your fiance extremely happy
sending you so much love !!
Plot twist: You are yourself a minor and found an adult partner.
As someone who struggled through my high school years with anxiety and depression, and still does, I DO NOT creep on children.
I typically can't watch Chris Hansen but with Buff and Ken, it feels like I'm watching it with friends and we're all shit talking. It's nice.
They're kind of comic relief.
Yep
I like Buff and Ken's style, and I agree that it does feel like hanging out with friends, telling jokes and such. Ken reminds me of my 10th grade history teacher. He always told jokes and made the lessons fun.
chris being nice to him is actually an investigation tacit, they suggest being nice and treating them like a person, trying to understand their feelings and where they're coming from, because it makes them comfortable and they're more likely to confess
Ah like in good cop bad cop.
ya, remind me to never act like a human infront of other humans bcos of this fact of human nature 😂
That and so they can find out why guys like him do these sorts of things
WoW! 🤣
“My life sucks!”
I wish Tony Soprano was there to tell him “You’re 19. You’ve barely even had a life!”
But for real, this guy is a professional victim. He can’t take responsibility for actions and would rather wallow in self pity than actually improve his life.
Seriously. Like he's having these thoughts damn that sucks! Go see a therapist and get help. Avoid kids. Don't target youngsters online to try and get some. That's just beyond sick man.
@@tatianablackthorn2528 He also wanted to form a harem with him, the decoy, and her 13 year old friend. He’s sick.
“I have no reason to live” well then die without traumatizing children, tf ?
@@eileensnow6153 Word. Like I get it you're in pain, but what right and justification do you have in giving a kid PTSD from you sleeping with them?
@@eileensnow6153 bro? dude just needs help if his story is true
DO NOT feel bad for this kid. I felt bad for him too, then I read his chatlogs and I can’t believe I ever had a drop of empathy for him. One of the worst ever
What was in the chatlogs?..
@@Professor__S "measure your slit with a ruler"
I think this guy is good at playing the victim because he’s so pathetic that he’s almost belivable. Doesn’t excuse him for being a creep
@Professor__S According to another comment, he was threatening to kill himself if they didn't send nudes
@@katangel115 well I think Walker Texas ranger is going to have to do some work on himself rather then use the suicide card to manipulate other people.
Ironic how the guy said he’s suffering from depression because if he was able to assault that girl she would’ve been left with a lifetime of depression and other mental issues. What a creep
Vincent : I failed high school, I have no motivation to finish it
Also Vincent : Has the motivation to drive all the way to a girls house
@@MustacheCashStash125 like 4 hours right? Or was that another pred
Yeah. I dated a rape victim and it was haunting her still 15 years after the fact. Don’t know if she’ll ever be ok. I hope so.
@@oompaloompadoompa-de-doo3614 I hope so too. My name is also Vincent but we don’t claim him
Chris has some crazy sort of “deer in the headlights” type of power. They just stop and do whatever he tells them.
Most people assume he’s a cop.
@@biologistbill8949 Yes, or the father.
He's like a hypnosisist
not really, those that stay and sit is like one out of 30-50 guys they have visit. all of them run away, just look at earlier episodes, they didnt even have cops waiting those pedos just ran into the sunset to do the exact same thing the very next day.
my best guess is that it's a high stress situation, so the brain is focusing on survival over critical thinking, and in a split second decides that the best way to survive the situation is to comply.
I love how genuinely excited buff gets when there’s a chance of a pred getting tased
Same here
I was in a “relationship” with a grown man from 12-14 and that has effected me for life- zero sympathy for these guys! I’m still 11 years younger than he was when we first met and I cannot imagine talking to a 12-14 year old in that way even a little.
I totally agree with Ken on this, when it comes to depression and having it it's no laughing matter. But when you claim to have depression and then you go around and do this deplorable act all sympathy towards you go straight out the window. P.S. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BABY 🍼
Kens a dad of his own kid now??? WELL CONGRATULATIONS TO HIM ON HAVING A BABY AND BECOMING A FATHER (her youngest is commenting this)
Why does sympathy have to go out the window? You can be sympathetic AND still hold people very much accountable for their deplorable actions
That guy was pregnant?
@@daniepdx He has two other kids already.
@@laurenk3459 when you start hurting minors and blaming it on depression, you're using your mental illness. When you harm other people, they're not required to have sympathy for you. It's called consequences for your actions, and even people with mental illness need to experience them too.
Chris Hansen: “Have a seat.”
Cowboy Blob: *launches into Death of a Salesman*
Omfg I find this so much funnier than I should, probably because I was in the play Death of a Salesman, but holy shit this is funny
Best comment.
This genuinely made me laugh out loud thank you
HOW CAN THEY WHIP CHEESE
COWBOY BLOB 😭😭😭
I love how Ken wants to feel bad but refuses and brushes it off, he got them dad instincts.
Tbh on another video he was talking about the sub graph and said that anyone who isn't subbed he was disappointed in them and that made me sub instantly
You mean “normal people instincts”? Cause I’m a childless woman and still don’t feel bad for these sick guys.
I have a dad with dad instincts, listen I get it.
@@caracalcontinuum3118 I'm trangender and gay af, will never have children, I agree. There is a natural empathy, but then you remember what these creatures are.
"I wasn't going to do anything" right after "I got nothing to live for anyway" is just so incongruent, if it wasn't already obvious what his plans were he certainly solidified it there
I think this is one case where the guy's going after very young teens because it's a demographic he feels he can control. Adult women terrify him.
I think that’s the case for a lot of them
Still f*cked up tho
Adult woman don't want anything to do with these fuckwits
BINGO
Not just control, but feel empowered and validated and wonderful and superior and none of the things a grown ass woman would let him pretend to be. He is a prime example of having an ego greater than his IQ--which prolly sums up a lot of criminals
best improv dialog ever comes out of the mouths of Ken and Dane.
"Run!" "I can't! Them pants are too high!"
He looks like a 7 year old that is trying to make excuses for stealing a cookie.
Just sadly he isn’t 7.
and he didn’t get caught steeling a cookie.
If he had his way he would have stolen somebody's cookie
You can feel bad for someone, empathize with the situation they're in, and even feel bad about the punishment they'll receive; and simultaneously be repulsed by their actions. People are incredibly complex, and while their actions may affect the rest of their life, it doesn't define their entire life. It's okay to empathize with people who have done even the greatest acts of evil. Just as long as you remember that no amount of tragedy in your own life justifies creating tragedy in others' lives.
If we humans had any less empathy than we have the world would be much darker than it already is. As bad as it may seem we need people who can feel such empathy and feels for everyone including the most evil of us humans because with our people like that we would never know there is good in the world
Chris really brought out the dad in him in this one. Realizes that in this situation he’s gotta take the soft route while still holding him accountable.
@@PotatoeDaddy
You said that, because you're a predator yourself.
You're a predator yourself
But how can someone justify showing up to a 13 year old's house for bad intentions? It's not like they made a mistake and said whoops. They always have ill intention and these people won't stop trying to harm kids until they get more jail time. Hence why there are too many who just hop back on the computer... it's sick.
I love how Ken always notices weird background details in all his videos.
Intense scene going on,
Ken: THAT PICTURE IS CROOKED
I think the reason chris is being so patient is that for once the guy is actually having an open psychological dialog and I think that's what Chris ultimately wants; Chris wants insight that can be used for prevention so he can get on the other end of the problem where he can help these people before they put themselves here instead of just locking up dude after dude after dude.
Never in the darkest depths of my spiral when I needed human touch the most did I ever try to prey on anyone, much less a child. There’s no excuse. Period.
Because you’re normal. No matter how bad things are, you aren’t that person. That’s something to be proud of.
I love the empathetic side of Chris we see in this episode. Usually Chris takes pleasure in rubbing the truth into these creeps’ faces, but this time he seemed to take an approach of “you fucked up bad but you have your whole life ahead of you” and thats a really cool thing to see from him.
Well he's fucked for that whole life lmfao, because his face was aired this show. Not defending it, but empathy there to me is just worthless lol
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE BABY KEN 🥂❤️ 🎉
HOLY SHIT NO WAY
I finally understand how much Ken's birthday wish actually hits when it's your birthday
Happy birthday!! I never noticed it until I was listening on my bday
@@natkitty420 Hahahah ikr!! Thank youuu for the wish!!! 💓
Happy belated birthday 🥳
what birthday wish?
“Hey Tex, how ya doin’?”
Such Chad energy
😂 Up there with one of the top Chris entrances a long with "Can I get you some milk to go with your cookies?"
Mine’s probably the one where he goes “Hey boo.” And the guy responds, not realizing it was Chris till AFTER the predator turns around and sees him.
Bruh… I thought Chris was gone! I thought this was the last season😂😂😂❤️ 9:25
I love Buff!!!
"he just busted out the six-shooter, you can't trust the texas man" 😂
The “TAZE HIM” from Buff is always hilarious 😂
Ken and the empathy, "What about how you were going to make this young girl feel." 👍❤ y'all are good ones. Thanks.
I feel bad for the bait girls. They must be nervous wrecks!
With the amount of back up they have a out 7ft away, they're pretty damn safe and in control I think
@@retts75 Yeah, but it can still feel nerve-wrecking tho. It would take all they had to not just run back to the police immediately afterwards.
@@freshcorn1431 speaking from experience? I'd love to see an AMA with one
@@retts75 Ah, well sorry no. It's just that you can see how uncomfortable the girls are around these predators even with all the camera crew and police behind the scenes, and tbf I don't think anyone would want to be near a buncha creeps for long anyways. That's just what I gleaned from all the videos tho, so I can't really speak for anyone.
@@freshcorn1431 was just the wording or f the first part sorry. These are prob chicks that'd feel more anger than fear I'd imagine. Prob have read the transcripts and are like "youf**k!!"
Keep in mind they're all acting majors and the like. They have seemed pretty relaxed every interview I've seen bar the gun scare guy
No matter how often I watch this episode, I can't get over this dude blaming the way he dresses for people thinking he's weird as if he had no control over what clothes he buys and puts on.
He wants to wear what he wants and not be seen as weird
@@wolf2966 Too bad. That's now how it works.
@@Bubba__Sawyer why?
not only that, i used to wear weird shit and people did make fun of me, and yes i was a weird person with weird interests as well (currently studying to be a forensic pathologist because of my fixation with death/autopsy) but I was never inclined to participate in objectively heinous or immoral practices/beliefs because of these factors. The fact that he is blaming these actions on something that is difficult to even be tangentially related is really gross, and furthers the ideology that stigmatizes/demonizes people suffering with mental illness regardless of how tame. Its truly disappointing
@@wolf2966 not the person you want an answer from, but in my experience it's in our blood as animals that rely on judgment and perception to quantify safety of an area/situation to include factors such as representation. Being able to preemptively judge what is a safe versus unsafe situation based on visual clues is what allowed us to survive this long, so it's imperative to how we operate. Its only recently that we have adapted physical appearance or trademarks to define who we are in a sect or define/express our individuality, so of course it's only in our nature to be skeptical of those who do not fit within our pre-determined box of what we deem "safe". I could make this into a whole lecture, and I know i'm already bordering on that, but basically, it is coded within our nature to automatically judge someone or something based on appearance whether it is subconscious or deliberate. Personally, I wear and do whatever it is I feel comfortable doing that expresses who I am, but I am also aware of the reactions it may generate from others who see it as a "threat" or "unconventional" and thus have negative opinions. Bottom line, people judge for everything and that's totally normal even if theyre assholes, but if you're going to express yourself in any way that goes against the grain you have to be ready to deal with that and not take things too personal because it's only in our blood to judge.
The emotional manipulation is so freaking typical of predators
"I have depression, but instead of looking for a therapist, I think Imma look for a teenage girl to groom instead 🤷♀️" seems reasonable
Hanson - "my bad. You're free to go"
Looking for a therapist might have contributed to what made him this way. They are not the way to getting anything fixed. And they have to be the only people on the planet who don’t understand pedophilia is a bad thing.
Speaking as the perspective of a young girl, if I ever saw anyone with their pants that high, I would run. Also CONGRATULATIONS! Hope you and Mary are enjoying your new little ray of sunshine 🌞 🥰 Love your videos too 💖
Jim Ross' hat...
Undertaker's coat...
Scott Steiner's physique.
*_"I'm FAT!"_* 🤣
No excuses no matter the individual, even unfortunate those who are victims or exposed to some form of molestation, doesn't warrant or excuse even the mere reasoning behind doing anything inappropriate or contact related with a underage person. Ken your feelings are justified, Buffs expressions actually spoke clearly 🤣 no tazing needed just lock him up to serve his time.
I mean, that does literally nothing to help. Just locking someone up is factually and studied to be less than useless when it comes to a deterrent. Therapy, empathy, and accountability are what changes people and makes society safer.
i hate when people like this always have to claim themselves as bipolar to blame their actions on the illness because it makes the stigma for people with bipolar (like me) even worse it makes me so angry.
Same with folks that fake ADD or ADHD
Facts I’ve got bipolar and a bunch of other stuff and I’m tired of it being used as an excuse
so, you believe people are responsible for their own actions?
A guy who has been raped by his father and grandfather for 14+ years and then becomes a predator himself is.......his own fault and choice?
You see how fucked that is?
OBVIOUSLY what he did is not ok whatsoever and he should see consequences. But saying he is a bad person because he couldve chosen different is just as bad. You denying him his humanity, saying he couldve just chosen differently, when the fact of the matter is, that his upbringing couldnt have produced anything else.
Just because you had good parents that taught you how to be a decent human, you arent a better person than anyone else, you just got lucky with your upbringing.
Actions do have consequences, but nobody is "at fault" or a bad person for what happened to them and they consequently did to other people.
i know its hard to accept, but free will is an illusion.
@@liahamilton8931 You also think its weird that people in wheelchairs use that as an excuse for not walking? Kinda the same to me, If your mental disability makes you do things , then its hardly your fault, like i said.
Its not your fault, but your actions have consequences. Thats just the fact of the matter.
@@acidsteve9837 yeah dude I never said otherwise. I’m literally saying that I’m tired of people trying to get out of those consequences by saying they have an illness.
Chris Hansen has some kind of powers. These guys see him and they are immediately paralyzed.
Medusa's stare.
Fight, Flight, Freeze reaction.
when you do something you KNOW is bad, even smallest things like taking food from the kitchen, someone catching you will always make you want to follow what they say to avoid the most trouble
@@dontcare6863 Which is why nobody ever runs from the police when they’re busted.
@@cunningfox831 exactly, except that church guy, he really thought he was getting away 🤣
9:22 - Chris Hansen saw his life flash before his eyes 😂. Literally heard this guy say he has nothing to live for anymore and then looked like he was reaching for a gun.
My favourite part is when the Predator thinks he will actually get away with it and for a split moment he thinks he will just go away and then WHAM! Police!
This predator legitimately looks like a Discord mod... Or a redditor.
Anyone in r/News
Discord mod for Belle Delphine
Average internet janitor
Bro he looks like Dan Schneider
@@redrazorx-23 I don't even know this guy by name, but I knew exactly who you were talking about
Nobody takes the cupcakes
EDP445: *Cold sweat and salivates*
would've been crazy to see him get caught like this in this show, tbh
9:20 Look at Chris' reaction to him reaching into his pocket. I mean jeez... Its almost a wonder he has made it this long without getting shot by a psycho. If that had been a gun hes dead.
I'll be honest, I am surprised that it hasn't happened yet. Though I suspect that something almost happened because the new stuff has the dude getting busted by the cops THEN Chris comes out.
Even if he is depressed, he shouldn't use that as an excuse for what he is doing.
Hurting ppl hurt ppl.
@@purrfection2208 nah there's lots of hurt ppl that don't hurt others
@@purrfection2208 I've been hurt a lot throughout my life and I've never hurt anyone else because I know what that pain feels like so I wouldn't want to inflict that on someone else.
Exactly. I’ve been struggling with severe depression for years and I’ve never considered behaving inappropriately with kids 🤷♀️
@@abuchanan234 same bro
This was a hard episode to watch. I have depression and I’ve been suicidal in the past. I don’t know for sure if this guy was genuinely having a breakdown or just acting it up in order to get sympathy but it seemed like a very real breakdown to me. I’ve been where he was at and I’m grateful to Hansen for doing this interview like he did because it snapped me out of feeling bad for him as soon as he started reading those text messages. When you’re hurt you don’t go out and hurt those who are most vulnerable regardless of how you’re feeling. What he did was not okay and his mental illness isn’t an excuse to do something like that.
He literally said he was going to texas with his buddies. And then when caught he has no pals all of a sudden
Wake up
Not a single tear came out
That wasn't a real breakdown..that was manipulation at its peak
Same it’s sad to see young men like him fall so far to just want attention from a female
trolled hard
He also had CP, which means he's a true p3do.
Look at Ken's hair. I-I--I'm confused whether it's Ken or Mary who went into labor.
literally what i thought
As a Texan I can say that a predator would probably be safer in prison than south west TX.
From San Antonio and I agree. Im politically VERY liberal, however the amount of protections put on inmates that have these kinds of convictions are ridiculous. I say let everyone know who they are and what they did and let them deal with the consquences lol. In my life of being in and out of addiction, the only times Ive heard of people being robbed/shot/targeted and dying was because they were a sexual offender or offender to minors.
Now, I know I caught all the emotions in Chris' eyes when homeboy reached for his pocket HAHA
Definitely an “oh shit” moment. I would have shit myself. Chris held it together.
14:26 - i lost my shit when he talked about his hobbies being driving and smoking cigars... just... whose grandpa are you??
Way more respectable than grooming kids though. Any other thing that he thinks made him a loser wouldn't have been as bad as what he was trying to do with the girl.
@@OriLOK2 I dont disagree at all.
this guy is the reason why Big Ed makes me so uncomfortable. Ed acts the same as this guy. Touches/kisses women without consent. When hes rejected or called out for his wrong doing, he announces all his flaws like hes troubled... then continues to do the same shit.
Common threads in abusers; perpetual victim complexes. Thye make you feel bad for them, and then use it to keep you trapped. The prey often on younger people who are less confident, are easier to control. They're scared of confident, assertive adults. Big Ed of No Neck preys not on children, mind you, but on women much younger than him.
@@oren1305 predators are predators, no matter they're prey. it makes me so uncomfortable. the other shows Ken and Buff commentate show, that TLC love to show men abusing and grooming women.
never understood the obsession with big ed. he preys on young vulnerable women and treats them horribly but people laugh at it like it's a silly little joke. men like big ed are pathetic and insufferable. they truly think they're victims even though they are genuinely terrible people and it drives me nuts. seriously why are so many people obsessed with him??
His pants are already half-way to Alaska.
Love you guys! Couldn't watch these shows without your commentating!
I agree too!!
Someone should make a show like TCAP, but instead of Chris Hansen, the bad guys have to talk to an angry, hungover, drill sergeant
Very specific but okay
Or an old loud black lady with a heavy purse
Quality content i would gladly pay for…
There are non-angry DS's? Never met one..... 🤔
Oddly specific but holy hecc now i wanna see this
He’s like that one kid in class who thinks everyone avoids him for no reason no we’re avoiding you because you threatened to stab a kid one time
Plus the smell…don’t forget the horrible odors. I can smell this video 😒😂😂
Literally 😂😂
“But I only made that threat because I’M FAT AND SAD!”
@@lexuses3942 Of all the things my mum put up with as a teacher, the smelly kids in unconditioned classrooms in the summer was the worst thing she had to deal with 🤢🤮
“Tombstone! Your favourite” I snorted 😂
This dude is sobbing like crazy but I dont see a single tear rolling down his cheek? So fake it hurts
You see, if the Undertaker called in Kane, Chris would be in real trouble.
“Look I had a father who was overweight it’s tough”
That’s such a weird statement. Was it tough for you? Or tough for him? There is a difference in being self conscious and overweight and saying “hmmm guess I’m going to screw kids now”
But even then it was his FATHER. So really it never affected him. If he said "oh my father was abusive" that affects him, but regardless in no situation does it justify his evil.
Vincent : I failed high school, I have no motivation to finish it
Also Vincent : Has the motivation to drive all the way to a girls house
lmao Im pretty sure "I'm such a loser and I have no motivations in life, this is why I turned out like this" is an excuse/reason for doing drugs, not being a child predator
I agree its no excuse for a child predator, but doing drugs isn't an excuse either. My dad did hard drugs and became aggressive and ended up abusing me.
@@Rebel_Angel I mean. Drugs is a better alt than child predation.
@@alucardican9785 is it?
@@kissit012 yes. Yes it is.
I get that having a depression and such sucks. I suffer from severe depression, anxiety and some other stuff. I know how it feels to wanna give up and hate life.
But it’s NOT and excuse to do that. It’s never ever okay to try and do that to kids.
I feel for the people who suffer with mental issues. But it’s not okay.
I hope this dude actually was honest and didn’t just say it for pity, and he then gets some help.
Of course it is not an excuse. it is mitigating though. There is a difference between a unrepentant predator and someone who made a mistake during severe mental distress. Action is wrong eitherway, but there is a difference in how it should be handled.
@@arkainin4638 the death penalty
@@arkainin4638 stop making excuses for child r*pists.
I bet this guy does want to be a cop...Is there a better job in the mind of a predator than one that gives you unchallenged authority, the ability to get a very young girl alone repeatedly every day, and a badge to hide behind? That is the most terrifying thing this guy could have said.
I honestly think this dude put on a hell of an act. I didn’t see a single tear during that whole thing. I have depression and just wow dude wow
“I wasn’t going to do anything” meanwhile the very FIRST thing he did when he walked in was try to touch her
1:14
Ken: No one ever takes the cupcakes
EDP : 👀
There should be a remake of this series, with Ken as a narrator and Buff as the tazer guy*
Would be AMAZING!!
Congrats for the baby!!! 😽👍👍🖤
Yeah they should try asking Chris Hansen
@@jeffbezosipartii4126 hell yeah!!
So he's just gonna set his cowboy hat on the kitchen counter like that? All the luck is going to fall out the bottom
"No one ever takes the cupcakes"
EDP445: 😳
"Nobody ever takes the cupcakes"
EDP: am I a joke to you?
He shouldn’t have been empathetic. Dude automatically went straight to “my life sucks, feel bad for me” and didn’t shed a single tear. He just wanted to get sympathy to get out of their
It’s a tactic to get him to share more information
4:44 that laugh loooooool
I see you Ken, rocking the "I slept 20 mins on my face" hair. Congrats to you and Mary for the new baby, I wish you peaceful nights!
I JUST BINGE WATCHED YOUR REACTION TO ALL CHRIS HANSEN RELATED VIDS WHILE DOING MY HOMEWORK.
Check out Mista GG, he commented over the whole series like this. I binged the whole series by him like 4 times.
Ken you should reach out to Chris Hansen and ask him on the show...he did PKA's podcast....he will do Meme Couch
That’s honestly a super awesome idea, I’d watch the shit out of that.
I don’t get why the predators say “I knew this would happen…knew it was a set-up” as what is dumber than “knowing” something is a child predator sting, and deciding you really want a piece of that and showing up.
I think they realize it when or just after they get there.