If Toyota says it doesn't need it then whatever but if the window sticker says the truck has one then it should have it. It's included in the price. I'd make Toyota install one.
Hey Tim. I bought a 2020 tundra platinum and saw the cooler indicated on the sales sticker. Sounds like Toyota needs to recall all the 2019 and 2020 tundras and get the cooler installed. If the temps are better with the cooler then why not have it. Its added protection for the transmission. I think all of us need to call our state AG or the U.S. AG and have them investigate this under consumer protection. Toyota falsely advertised for something the truck didnt have and the dealers didnt even know. Smells like a class action lawsuit to me and I am on board!!!
Exactly right. The Monroney sticker from a 2018 Tundra with towing package is exactly the same as a 2019 and 2020 with the same package, except there is NO transmission cooler.
My recommendation everyone is to have your transmission fluid change if you are currently towing or think you will be towing. Amsoil makes some of the best transmission fluid as well as oil for our tundra. The ATF fluid is designed for high temps and severe use which will combat the fluid breakdown. Also i am looking into aftermarket transmission coolers for the tundra if toyota doesnt remedy this issue.
I bought my 2019 specifically to tow a camper. I had no idea at the time. I assumed it was the same tried and true design. Why remove it after all those years?
They are just calling it normal temperature while like all car manufacturers just hoping the transmission lasts out of warranty and then they will be happy to sell you another.
The owner needs to contact Toyota and inform them that the sticker states it has a transmission cooler and they better put one in. They can correct the issue for me now or deal with my attorney and the FTC. There are problems when the vehicle doesn't match the sticker. Government problems.
Ok as a Tundra owner with an old 2008 TRD Supercharger (and other performance upgrades, crank/flywheel horsepower around 650bhp and 700lb ft torque, also is 4x4 Crewmax SR5 w/towing package AND external transmission cooler, I've burnt two transmissions mainly from just having too much horsepower to not hurt the unmodified transmission but when I've had issues the cooler lines had trash, debris blocking or obstructing flow to the cooler (located very front of condenser/radiator/Supercharger intercooler/and approximately 8"x14" offset to my passenger side) since having my problems I've researched and have had several guys say they've even added ANOTHER external cooler either piggybacking the factory installed unit or remove the OEM cooler for a larger cooler. Most has both still as I do IN ADDITION to having "pinned the transmission thermostat in the open position." The info to do this can easily be found on the internet. These transmissions are VERY sensitive to high temps and the temps shown here on an unloaded truck while driving normally at highway speeds is WAYYY higher than should be. My truck wouldn't see 190 to 200°F while pulling 6k pounds! Why did Toyota stop including this inexpensive but important component, this cooler only runs $125-200 for an aftermarket cooler that's much larger than the factory cooler. The cooler is the life blood of your expensive 6-speed auto and with a brand new truck I do not recommend adding a cooler but MAKE TOYOTA replace as many as possible until they recall the trucks and add coolers! One can't just add a cooler without the sending line and routed through radiator, return line back to the transmission (without an external cooler there's no "lines" to connect it to! Toyota must run those lines and honor the warranty. *I would recommend "pinning" your thermostat but remember to take 2 minutes to pull the pin before going in for service while under warranty! My 12 year old truck can tow a lot, as long as it's not overheating it'll last, I live in south Louisiana and it's brutally hot right now. I have also upgraded my radiator to an all aluminum radiator because another cheap but critical component that will start leaking at the plastic after 5 or so years. I'd save my breath with the Stealerships and get extended warranty and save the paperwork and document everything, the thing that will ultimately need to be decided is to either keep replacing a transmission or simply add a cooler and the lines to send/return fluid. I'm pretty surprised this happened, it's not a secret these transmissions have shown to be highly sensitive to overheating or heat in general. Hopefully if you've read all of this and have any questions or want further elaboration email me Safetypete1@gmail.com and I'll gladly show you what my cooling system looks like, how to pin the thermostat in 5 minutes for $0.25 or I can send you to the sites and groups who know more about this than myself. This is a headscratcher bigtime.
The Temps he posted are WITHOUT towing a trailer, how can you or Toyota say they are within spec if he NEVER even gave his temps WHILE HE WAS ACTUALLY TOWING?
I sat there wondering the same thing. Yes, those temps are within specs.....but he isn't towing. If the guy would show the temps WHILE towing and getting the error message, it would make a big difference and the Toyota engineers would have the truly needed information to properly respond to this issue. As an owner of a 2019 model myself, I find this very frustrating.
The cooler a transmission runs the longer it last. That's a fact. If Toyota says u have a transmission cooler and u buy the truck and don't have it the attorneys will have a payday on a class action.
I just installed one myself. My temps without the cooler where around 225-250. Now it stays around 195. I want my transmission as cool as possible to help the oil last longer and reduce wear on transmission
I just bought my 2020 limited tundra 4x4 and I was towing 7,000 pounds and the same warning light came on I guess am stuck with it till they get something fix
You should look at your window sticker and see if list a trans cooler with the towing package, If it does Toyota owes you a trans cooler or its false advertising.
@@billbeck4661 they dont, toyota states the warmer acts as the cooler when trans temps are higher then engine temps. no were in the window sticker does it say "external" trans cooler. is it bullshit yes, but thats there stance.
Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk the fluid isn’t the only issue... clutch material isn’t. Seals aren’t. Hence why it was designed with a cooler before hand and why everyone else runs one and keeps the damn temps below 230!
I have a 2019 Tundra Platinum and pull a 25’ Airstream. Was recently in hilly Chattanooga and had the Trans Fluid high temp caution message pop up. It was a quick message and then gone, twice. My concern is why have a warning if it’s not a concern?
Here is my thought. I have a 2021 Tundra and I'm about to start pulling a 32' RV. Not often but a pull is a pull. This week I've ordered all of the items to install a transmission cooler to be safe. However, the thermostat on the new part (after the pin is pulled) is rated at 250 degrees (I'm told). So if the thermostat doesn't open until 250 degree then what is the use of the transmission cooler if it will hardly ever open up to cool? In my case I'm pulling the max combined at nearly 16k lbs between the truck weight and the rv weight. I'm sure my transmission is going to get pretty darn hot and need that cooler. If I wasn't pulling this big rv then well I probably just ordered a fancy part that would likely stay closed most of the time. I've also been told to not pull the thermostat pin and let the fluid flow all the time. Being in South Texas that is probably what I'm going to do unless someone give me good logical reason to use the 250 degree thermostat.
Toyota should recall all 2019-2020 Tundras. The trucks were clearly not built to the standards played out by their own window sticker. Toyotas answer on that is not acceptable. Yes the 227 is within the acceptable range but that is already warm so when you add a trailer of course it will overheat.
No, there needs to be a class action lawsuit. The Monroney sticker from 2018 and 2020 is the exact same for a Tundra 5.7L with towing package. They are deceiving customers!
@@alienation-k1x I agree. Realistically even if Toyota added a transmission cooler as a recall, what kind of damage has already been done to the transmission running at such a high temperature?
How can they say that the temps are “within range” if the high temp warning is going off? On a brand new truck? That was a mistake by Toyota, removing the cooler on that ancient powertrain.
If you listened, Toyota said the temp is normal and the warning sensor is bad because it shouldn’t be triggered by those temps.. Replace the warning sensor. What’s so hard to understand?
@@andrewbeck844 The same Toyota that told us they fixed the frame rust rot year after year for two plus decades and took years and multiple TSB's to address the drivability issues of the 3rd gen Tacoma 3.5 V6+automatic combo. I would want a second opinion on the accuracy of the temperature sensor and trans fluid temps.
hochhaul Which will be determined by replacing the sensor. If it still overheats than you can blame the transmission. That “ancient powertrain” sure holds up better than our fleet of Rams. EVERY one of the transmissions has been in for repair or replacement with less than 70k miles. No towing or hauling anything heavy. I’ll take my trouble free, “ancient” Tundra over my work Ram everyday.
Great video Tim .. again that answer from Toyota is b.s .. they try and blame the warning light on a faulty sensor ... Come on .. really !? Plus the Toyota fluid is a semi synthetic . Which will degrade even quicker with high heat like this .. so long story short . Yes nothing bad will happen right now at such a low mileage ... But these increased trans temps will definitely shorten the life span of the fluid and if fluid changes are not done more frequently it will overall shorten the life of the transmission . With my 2019 I have been proactive and retrofitted my truck with a external trans cooler . Now my trans temps hold steady around 200 degrees while towing my 7000lb travel trailer . Tundra owners need to know that there is a solution to this problem . You can easily install Toyota parts to have a real trans cooler again .
Yes I agree with you Jordon, that is the right thing to do, sad to see they are cheaping out on their quality, like the Taco HVAC blower fan now made in China instead of the OEM Denso. Really sad to see.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Tim, with that new information .. we need to know exactly the temp needs to be to set the warning light . I've heard that it is 300 degrees .. but would like that confirmed
Heat in trans is never good. May b within range but how bout longevity? Toyota may be saving money by removing trans cooler reliability is why toyota has the reputation they have. I think this is huge mistake on toyotas part.
It's my understanding that as of March 2020, they also removed the transmission cooler from Tacoma. I've been saying it for a hot minute, the current staff of bean counters in Toyota management will drive their quality into the ground.
I have an old trans fluid temperature chart from an old mechanics book. The chart states acceptable operating temps are under 190 for unloaded driving. Towing range is no higher than 240. These temperatures are too high.
@@dalephillips8250 from my line of business heat is the main killer for any lubricated oil. Temperature above 200 degrees Fahrenheit are considered high/loaded temperatures and oil should be replaced every 20k if continuous. Every 20 degrees over 200 doubles the failure rate. I don't care fluid type because I'll see your transmission in my shop with temperatures like those.
@@michaelbernabeo8437 I have my 5000 mile service coming up and i'm going to question them about this because my sticker states I have a transmission engine cooler.
I experienced the same issue Received this warning light HIGH TRANSMISSION TEMP FLUID after 3 hrs on the road with no load ( just me and my wife). I made complain to Toyota USA and got case number. have my vehicle checked by local dealer. Mechanic drove the vehicle for 30 mins - tested - no issue found. Keep In mind I told them the warning light illuminated after 3 hrs. What we need to do is call Toyota USA let them know you’re experienced with high temp to the transmission once they received enough complaints from consumers then hope they will look at this issue and come out with Service bulletin. Having boiling hot oil 250 - 280 degrees feeding the components without cooling system that’s just bad engineering in my book.
Heck yes I would be concerned. First off, your contact at Toyota is pretending that the temp reading were taken while towing and the truck owner said it was taken while unloaded. If it's approaching 250 in town it certainly would be over 280 while pulling 9000 lbs up a grade. Second, full life of transmission is available when operated under 200 degrees. At 220 degrees life is cut in half. Maybe new synthetic transmission fluid will not break down until 280, but what about everything else in there? In any case, I would spend the $ to get an aftermarket transmission cooler added. I like to keep my vehicles past 150k and transmission replacement is so darn expensive.
ive had 2 toyota trans failures, both caused by the rad rupturing internal causing milk shake in trans and cooling, if they can get rid of the external lines and still cool l say all the better,
The cooler that was removed is ATF only. It wouldn't cause your milkshake issue, only an ATF leak. The trucks still have the coolant to ATF warmer, which can fail and cause the milkshake issue you had.
2020 tundra owner here and I'm very concerned because with the trans. cooler it still will be cooler and it would be even better... and it's on the sticker and charged and paid for!!! They should recall all trucks and add it on!!! I would be much happier and I'm sure all owners who bought these two Year Tundras would agree!!! Come on Toyota you never let us down before and I'm sure your not going to let us down now!!!
Just lost my transmission on my 2008 at 155k. It was serviced at 120k as recommended by toyota. I do pull a 7k trailer and ran bigger off road tires on 2 inch lift. I need to get this odb2 app.. i was thinking of getting a new one but now just going to drive this after rebuilt.
Lucky my 2017 Sequoia has the thermostatically controlled cooler. I just towed my 6300lb trailer 6 hours straight with the ambient temp being 35°C. Temp gauge for the trans and engine never moved and I was giving it hell up the hills with the A/C blasting too. Still impressed with it every time I tow. My wife primarily drives it because I have a company car and she absolutely loves it too.
I have a 2010 Sequoia with the tow pkg that has the trans temp gauge as well. Loaded, unloaded, towing a trailer in the mountains of WV with full throttle pulls as long as 5-7 minutes at a time in 90 deg temps with AC running and have never seen the gauge even twitch past it's normal position. I don't know what the actual temp is, but whatever it is, it doesn't change perceptibly regardless of ambient temperature or load. I had a 2008 Tundra that made the same journey many times- no tow pkg- with no issue whatsoever, and traded it with 212,000 zero issue miles for the Sequoia, which is now pushing 200K- also zero issues. Basic maintenance. Period. Clearly there is an issue with the new trucks if they are getting trans temp warnings, and agree with everyone saying Toyota needs to install a cooler. Never had an issue before, now they do.
I was disappointed to find out in my 2019 after the fact of buying it, that it didn’t have the transmission cooler when it said it did on the sticker. Not much to do now but drive it. Great video Tim. Thanks
@@Pickuptrucktalk Tim don't you think Toyota should be responsible for the cost of adding a transmission cooler. I mean they sold customer trucks claiming they had a part that was in fact not there. Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen
Brandon so, naturally, I’m getting more details after the video. Toyota says they have a heat/cooler on the trans body just not a “multi-cooler” anymore. Honestly, this is out of my wheelhouse on those differences.
Brandon with that said, they could likely defend their sticker as saying it applied to that and not the oil cooler. However, I’m hearing marketing will get involved and might make a change based on these videos.
I have a 2019 Tundra 4.6L, my trailer is half the rated 6500lbs capacity. I monitor the temps with a ScanGauge2 and thought it also ran really hot. I’ll probably end up with the new Ford Diesel F150.
David Robertson As the truck was delivered, it was rated to tow 6500 lbs. Toyota used the SAE J2807 standards to establish the capacity, but it runs hotter than I think is acceptable. I’m waiting for the 2022 Tundra V6 Twin Turbo before I take any long trips with the camper.
Just trust Toyota ;) It only took them 3 years to figure out they pinned the turn signal bulbs incorrectly. I'm sure that REMOVING the cooling system from the transmission and trying to use the EXISTING warmer as a heat exchanger had all of our best interests at heart, they just forgot to update the window sticker (and left it in the towing section of the window sticker when we weren't getting a cooling upgrade over the base models), and forgot to lower the prices too. Seriously, they need to do another recall and put an actual cooling system back on the truck (at a minimum on the ones with towing packages). People should feel ripped off by Toyota on this one, so much for looking out for the customer. Toyota's core values state "We are a company driven by imagination, experimentation, humility, respect and innovation. And we believe it is people, our people, who will go the extra mile to deliver to our customers all that Toyota promises to be, today and into the future. It's about integrity." So how about you do the right thing and fix this mess!!!!
I've been a fan of Toyota's for decades. I've owned three Camry's and currently own 2008 Lexus is350 and a 2018 Tundra Limited TRD Pro 4x4. Big mistake getting rid of the Transmission Cooler on the New Tundra's.
Lies...ALL of the Toyota guys tell us Big 3 guys that the Tundra can run dry on oil for a month and still drive like new!🤔🤣🤣. Seriously though, trans temps running higher than the engine coolant temp is never ever good. Even if Toyota says it is within "normal range", that does not bode well for longevity at all for the internals of the transmission.
John Martin because you keep NHTSA safety ratings up to par with other MFG’s, they had to add a bunch of pricey gizmo’s like radar cruise, pre collision, lane departure, auto braking, cross traffic alert, LED headlights, etc... profit margins were down, they were looking to trim the fat for 2020 because now they’re also adding keyless ignition, and Apple/Android functionality to the head unit as well as the satellite connectivity system which all cost licensing moneys.
I'm sure that when Toyota examined the million mile trucks, they realized they needed them to break down sooner in order to make more money in the parts and service department. In the short-term, lack of a cooler is no problem, but in the long run we'll see.
He clearly said in the email that the OBD2 numbers were WITHOUT a trailer. The warning light was coming on WITH a trailer. So the Toyota guy saying “those numbers are within range...” no crap, those weren’t the numbers under load.
My 2020 only has 2300 miles on it and I can hit 235+ without pulling a trailer and only 2 people in it with some light camping gear. Once I hook a travel trailer up to it my temps are going to climb way up. The tow package should have the cooler.
Yea i feel like the toyota engineer completely disregarded the issue and didn’t address it at all. The light isn’t coming on at those temps. The guy who took pics should hook his trailer up and then take pics of the trans temp while towing. They cant refute that
@@Pickuptrucktalk That is complete and utter NONSENSE, anything above 250 degrees has been proven to degrade ATF fluid, and fast! This is complete BS from Toyota!
I am suckened, grieved to the core , over this totally redesigned Tundra. Toyota is a Stellar company, now with a Terrible stain on its reputation. They had 13 years to reverse Engineer Fords F150, Ram, ect. It was over Hyped, and they screwed this Up Totally. Squeeking consols, wind noise, doors needing to be adjusted, Transmission hunting , deciding which gears. They should have perfected a higher speed Tough Transmission, improved the 5.7 motor, and lightened truck weight via, aluminum doors, tailgate, hood. I have a Tacoma, Tundra was my next Truck.. Toyota you Destroyed my Trust and Confidence, SHAME ON YOU ENGINEERS!!!!
I agree , it’s probably a sensor. What did his dealer say? Or did he jump to conclusion? Please let us know what the fix was. I highly doubt you have a transmission problem .
I think that if the engineers at Toyota have designed a transmission to take those kind of temps, then go with it. Just because the Big 3 burns out transmissions at those temps shouldn't be a concern for Tundra owners... Toyota had REAL engineers and not just wannabees....
Toyota is looking at these people profiting on transmission cooler kits. That might make them rethink and start installing themselves these missing parts.
I thought Toyota would be a nice trade up from Dodge so I bought a Toyota tundra sr5 . I have had it in the shop for routine maintenance 3 times but they have yet to fix any recalls. Thinking I should buy a Titan and see if Nissan is as rude as Dodge and Toyota
Holy cow, that’s a drastic change in temperature. The hottest I’ve ran my transmission on my 2015 in the hot Texas summer is 212 degrees, that is after running a tune that increases your RPM to 6000, I was racing it that time. Normal temperature is anywhere between 190-200
I have a 2019 Colorado with the V6 and "tow package" but my transmission temperature on the 8-speed automatic runs about 127 - 134 on hot days while NOT towing. I haven't had a chance to tow anything heavy so I can't comment on towing temperatures but 225 + seems pretty high to me.
@@amprg That is too high, even for a 6-speed GM. Normal trans temp for a 6-speed truck is 195 to 205. 225 is only if it's a 6-speed plowing snow. The 8-speed will never exceed 200 under normal operating conditions.
My 2020 toyota tundra trd pro sticker says the same. We got jacked. 💨. I dont tow so ill just get in line if they ever send notifications to get it installed if they offer it and actually dropped the ball by omitting it. A jet ski here and there is all I tow. Good content and thanks for sharing the information
Toyota dropped over 30 things from my 2007 and 2012 tundra sr5s compared to the 2017 sr5 I currently own. I am looking elsewhere for my next truck, I only hope the next one can match the only reason I have been sticking with Toyota, the unquestioned reliability. Toyota is ruining this vehicle.
I just got my 20 Tundra week ago...I turned all those irritating nannies off. I do want a tranny cooler tho. I am Canadian and my dealer told me ALL.CANADIAN Tundras have a tranny cooler AND warmer...now i have to see if they lied to me.
@@mikefoehr235 they do have a warmer, however that warmer is not efficient for cooling, because it can't cool the trans any cooler than engine coolant temp. Given how close the temps would be, the warmer can't efficiently cool the transmission (not much delta t)
@@mikefoehr235 it got hotter pulling a grade a few miles long on a cool day than the trans in my old pickup EVER did. A long pull on a 100+ degree day would probably toast the trans. I'm installing the cooler on my 2020.
I bought a 2021 tundra Crewmax(back at the end of Oct.) with the tow package and it doesn't have the eng/trans cooler statement on the window sticker. I am also bought a 32' foot travel trailer, weighs 8000 lbs. I am bit concerned about it not having the trans cooler. I guess i'll find out this summer if it good or not. Its hard to judge, looking at the videos on you tube. Some say it good, some say trouble ahead. I love the truck so far. I just bought the trailer home last week (JAN 22, 2021). Drove 4 hours on the expressway with the trailer back home. The tremp outside were in the 20's. I live in Michigan. The trans seemed fine, I drove 70mph for about 2 hours. Then 60-65 for an hour, dropped down to 55-60 for the last hour as it is a 2 lane highway.
I look forward to some interesting responses to this video Tim. Transmission cooler delete aside, their is no factory gauge to give transmission temperature in the Tundra EVIC? Are Toyota owners not privileged to this information? My Ram Hemi EVIC shows 180 wide open passing full temp.
Did I missed something. The truck owner only sent you pics of temps when not pulling the trailer. How then can the engineer make the call the sensor maybe bad. What is the temp off his OBD fusion app when pulling trailer and warning pops up.
Does my 2014 4x4 4.6 toyota tundra have a transmission oil cooler? I get 208 transmission temp just driving empty truck to walmart 8 miles away seems high to me. I have not towed my 16foot Crago trailer yet it loaded with tools weighs 5000 pounds so you know its going to go beyond the 240 degree range . Dealer is not much help he says if I put one on it it will void my lifetime warenty?
I had a 2016 tundra and would tow a 6500 trailer if going up a hill it would down shift but would not up shift once on level ground took along time to up shift took to dealer 2 times nothing wrong .traded truck in
Great video and explanation, I wish I would have seen your video before I traded my 2016 for a 2021, I'm having the same issue. I pull a trailer that loaded weighs about 7200lbs and I have always used the OBD fusion to watch my Temps and fuel efficiency, with my 2016 the temp never exceeded 208° with the 2021 I've reached 256° and I pulled over and waited about 20minutes until the temp came down to 200° had to do this 3 to 4 times in a 300 mile trip we take to the Fl. Keys every few months. I'm so disappointed with Toyota, now I have to buy an aftermarket cooler, the one I'm looking at is about $900.00. Part of me wants to sell the 2021 and buy a 2018 with the cooler. Might just get a Chevy 6.6l instead. Please if you have heard anything else from toyota please inform us. Thank you
Nothing new to report. Toyota says it’s within normal operating range. New 2022 trucks have cooler due to new turbo engine needing more cooling to hit towing numbers.
Damn I just bought the OEM thermostat and a Hayden cooler thingy plus 25 ft of hose and I'm only in it $330. I opted not to buy the hard lines. Some of those kits are a rip-off because you can buy all the parts for 1/4 of the price of those kits.
I believe each manufacturer has their temp ratings, but I will say my 2014 Ford F-150 ran around 240°. Our 2004 Chevy Avalanche runs around 200° and our 2015 Chevy Colorado runs around 150°. So it's really hard to say....
Obviously the temps were higher when he was towing... I can attest to the fact that it will be well into the 250 range or above and stay there towing something that big... That being said, a 29’ 9k lb trailer is WAY too much trailer for this truck, period! Toyota has YET to tell us what their “acceptable range” is, and the fact that they set out to delete something that can do NOTHING BUT HELP LONGEVITY speaks for itself! Also, EVERY other half ton with a tow pack has one! Lol. C’mon Toyota, you’re hurting your reputation with one of the most loyal consumer bases in the world!
@@Pickuptrucktalk Yes but the owner's concern was the warning on the dash comes on. That warning appears when transmission temperature is above 302F. The excuses given was that there must be a sensor problem. Easy to diag, test the pan temp with a IR temp gun. The reason for the removal of the transmission cooler was because of a design change. In 2019 Toyota started using R1234YF for freon instead on R134A. Because the new feon is not as efficient in cooling the condenser on the 2019-20 Tundra had to be increased in size. The 2018 Tundra has the transmission cooler integrated into the condenser but they couldn't do this with the new feon because it's not as efficient and the AC would not cool effectively. Cheapest solution after some testing was just not run a cooler and have the "warmer/cooler" heat exchanger do the job of cooling the transmission. Full disclosure, I'm a Toyota technician.
I just bought a 2020 4 Runner last weekend, it still has R134A, my 2019 Tacoma has the new 1234yf. The condenser is massive on the Tacoma. The Tacoma has auto climate control, it runs recirc 85 percent of the time unless the humidity gets high outside. Live in CO.
They can't just delete that wording . If it was sold with that on the sticker they will have to install them on the truck . Your sticker is on a trd pro he has a sr5 big option difference. How bout a sticker from a sr5?
My ‘20 IF it sits a day when I start it and immediately put it in drive it acts sluggish for maybe 15-20 seconds verses when if it has run for a mile then off started and put in drive then the tranny is very responsive as normal. So question is does the Tranny require a 30-45 second warm up?
My Toyota dealership overfilled my engine oil and when I pointed it out, instead of agreeing to drain the excess, they immediately went to the idea that the dipstick was bad!? 🤣🤣🤣 Told them, just drain the fucking oil. Problem solved. Dealerships SUCK.
Woo Hoo 2019 and 2020 Tundra owners with tow package are going to get trans oil coolers. Sticker also indicates an engine oil cooler. Do they actually have one of those? F-150 has a dedicated trans temp gauge and you can also display in the center screen between the tach and speedometer.
He did have it checked out and opted to install a transmission cooler as well. He hasn't had an error since, but no clear connection between transmission cooler and no error.
I have just downloaded the toyota product information sheets for 2019. The tow package is std on all models but crewman. Tow package includes trans temp gauge and oil and trans oil coolers. Marketing arm didn't read their own product sheets.
In my opinion the cooler the trans fluid the better, I owned a 98 Dodge Ram 1500 with two coolers, the one in the radiator and a second external one, while I didn't get to tow anything I did load the bed with almost a ton of stuff when I moved to Texas and no problems. The truck had over 160K on the clock and it would move up a not too steep incline at idle, but that's just my case
Just bought a 2017 tundra thinking I was going to put a trans. cooler and the thermostat in it! i took the grill off, i can see a full size cooler on it! 🙏thank you all I need to do is a trans.service!
I agree with the guy. Toyota needs to do a service bulletin to install a cooler free of charge fo anyone who asks. That truck should be able to haul the heaviest trailer it’s rated for on the hottest day of the year up a mountain at highway speed without overheating the transmission or engine, if not then Toyota has a responsibility to fix it or reduce the rating of their vehicles.
Hello my name is Shea I have a 2019 Toyota Tundra TRD pro I’ve recently installed a Phoenix new generation Tesla style radio a few weeks ago during a regular drive my break malfunction light came on also abs light I put the car into park turned it off turn is back on car fired right up but would not go into gear I had to push the emergency gear Release button I made an appointment to Toyota and was told everything led to the radio, so I Uninstall the radio and Reinstall the original tundra radio cleared all the codes and car was running good a few days ago lights pop up again and will not go into gear is there any advice I can have or say to the dealership .
I have a 2019 and my Sticker shows it has the transmission cooler but it does not!!! My 2019 transmission is overheating when NOT towing. When climbing a mountaintop with only tools in the truck, the overheat light comes on every time I climb this same mountain that is only 3759 feet tall. Toyota needs to put the cooler on the 2019 & 2020 Tundras. The sticker shows it has a transmission cooler. If it is the sensor, ALL sensors should be replaced under a recall.
Tim I bet your friend with the trail boss is really glad he didn't go tundra after seeing this video! He would probably have had the same problem if he is planning on getting a trailer
Toyota needs to tell us the number. While snow plowing, I've always kept the trans temp gauge showing on my GM trucks. I was always told that you should start watching it at 200, slow it down at 225 and shut it down (idle) well before anything close to 300. I realize they're different manufacturers and I have a lot more faith in Toyota's products, and they claim to be using a hi-temp fluid, but a 500 degree trans temperature redline? No way! This issue is keeping me from buying a Tundra. I wish they would resolve it. It is, however, good to learn from this video that there is at least a trans temp sensor and a warning screen!
And easy way to really find out about transmission temps...have some one buy a OBD monitor and drive a older tundra...and type in the specs on this video and compare
@@putmeincoach7663 then Houston we have a problem lol.... Every 20 degrees makes a huge difference in transmission heat!! ...yeah they need to add a recall and slap that cooler on there...
It actually does have a trans "heater/cooler" lol ...that engine coolant transfer block (right after the spacer that used to be a trans cooler does "cool" after its done heating. Hard to explain but you still did a pretty good job. I added a cooler using OEM parts (thermostat and hard lines) then I went bigger on the flow through style cooler and added an electric fan with a sensor..if it dies it dies at least I tried. I worked hard and really have no use for the dealer even though I am under warranty.
I have a 2020 tundra. Is at about 43K. I do a lot of highway miles. Luckily I haven’t towed anything to have this problem but that’s terrible. Would you recommend changing the tranny oil sooner than the manufacture’s 60 K interval
I bought a used 2020 tundra excellent shape but the previous owner towed a 28ft trailer. My transmission blew 2 weeks after I bought it at 46,000 miles and was replaced under warranty. I’m definitely changing the fluid every 30k miles from now on. Possibly adding a cooler if there is no recall.
Aisin makes extremely reliable transmissions, their engineers designed it to be used with a external cooler. Mike Sweers had no business removing it. He is jeopardizing Toyota's QRD reputation built by engineers like Yuichiro Obu and Chikuo Kubota. He is just a lousy Detroit engineer that came from Chrysler and Oldsmovile. The only reason to do this was to cheap out Toyota owners at the expense of QRD
Another reason I'm going to keep my 16 Tundra with 47K miles. Have cooler. Do not have all that safety stuff....After driving for 55 years I don't need a computer to tell me whether its ok to pass. Just sayin...
My 2019 "transmission fluid high temperature" message comes on every time i do any moderate fire road climbs. Ive seen it in winter and summer. I really rhink these can use a cooler. Ill be doing more drain and fills going forward. Perhaps toyota has started "planned Obsolescence on these trucks. I have a feeling of transmission problems in the future. Fluid comes out unusually dark with drain and fills!
We have a 21 Tundra and I can smell hot transmission fluid while driving under normal city but highway disappears with the wind. Sucks we can’t even check the levels
If Toyota says it doesn't need it then whatever but if the window sticker says the truck has one then it should have it. It's included in the price. I'd make Toyota install one.
Yep, you know they didn't drop the price when they removed it.
Hey Tim. I bought a 2020 tundra platinum and saw the cooler indicated on the sales sticker. Sounds like Toyota needs to recall all the 2019 and 2020 tundras and get the cooler installed. If the temps are better with the cooler then why not have it. Its added protection for the transmission. I think all of us need to call our state AG or the U.S. AG and have them investigate this under consumer protection. Toyota falsely advertised for something the truck didnt have and the dealers didnt even know. Smells like a class action lawsuit to me and I am on board!!!
Exactly right. The Monroney sticker from a 2018 Tundra with towing package is exactly the same as a 2019 and 2020 with the same package, except there is NO transmission cooler.
I agree. I bought a 2020 because it said it had tow package and external cooler. Maybe I need to contact a lawyer and file a lawsuit.
I follow classaction.org I will reach out to them to see if this is on their radar.
Well, I have a 2019 1794 4x4 and I now very concerned about my purchase and if I'll have issues with my transmission failing.... Grrrr
My recommendation everyone is to have your transmission fluid change if you are currently towing or think you will be towing. Amsoil makes some of the best transmission fluid as well as oil for our tundra. The ATF fluid is designed for high temps and severe use which will combat the fluid breakdown. Also i am looking into aftermarket transmission coolers for the tundra if toyota doesnt remedy this issue.
I bought my 2019 specifically to tow a camper. I had no idea at the time. I assumed it was the same tried and true design. Why remove it after all those years?
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My 2019 Tundra window sticker says it has a transmission cooler? Should I approach my sales person about it?
Mine says the same thing. I am thinking of adding one myself as long as it doesn’t affect the warranty.
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They are just calling it normal temperature while like all car manufacturers just hoping the transmission lasts out of warranty and then they will be happy to sell you another.
The owner needs to contact Toyota and inform them that the sticker states it has a transmission cooler and they better put one in. They can correct the issue for me now or deal with my attorney and the FTC. There are problems when the vehicle doesn't match the sticker. Government problems.
Ok as a Tundra owner with an old 2008 TRD Supercharger (and other performance upgrades, crank/flywheel horsepower around 650bhp and 700lb ft torque, also is 4x4 Crewmax SR5 w/towing package AND external transmission cooler, I've burnt two transmissions mainly from just having too much horsepower to not hurt the unmodified transmission but when I've had issues the cooler lines had trash, debris blocking or obstructing flow to the cooler (located very front of condenser/radiator/Supercharger intercooler/and approximately 8"x14" offset to my passenger side) since having my problems I've researched and have had several guys say they've even added ANOTHER external cooler either piggybacking the factory installed unit or remove the OEM cooler for a larger cooler. Most has both still as I do IN ADDITION to having "pinned the transmission thermostat in the open position." The info to do this can easily be found on the internet. These transmissions are VERY sensitive to high temps and the temps shown here on an unloaded truck while driving normally at highway speeds is WAYYY higher than should be. My truck wouldn't see 190 to 200°F while pulling 6k pounds! Why did Toyota stop including this inexpensive but important component, this cooler only runs $125-200 for an aftermarket cooler that's much larger than the factory cooler. The cooler is the life blood of your expensive 6-speed auto and with a brand new truck I do not recommend adding a cooler but MAKE TOYOTA replace as many as possible until they recall the trucks and add coolers! One can't just add a cooler without the sending line and routed through radiator, return line back to the transmission (without an external cooler there's no "lines" to connect it to! Toyota must run those lines and honor the warranty. *I would recommend "pinning" your thermostat but remember to take 2 minutes to pull the pin before going in for service while under warranty! My 12 year old truck can tow a lot, as long as it's not overheating it'll last, I live in south Louisiana and it's brutally hot right now. I have also upgraded my radiator to an all aluminum radiator because another cheap but critical component that will start leaking at the plastic after 5 or so years.
I'd save my breath with the Stealerships and get extended warranty and save the paperwork and document everything, the thing that will ultimately need to be decided is to either keep replacing a transmission or simply add a cooler and the lines to send/return fluid.
I'm pretty surprised this happened, it's not a secret these transmissions have shown to be highly sensitive to overheating or heat in general. Hopefully if you've read all of this and have any questions or want further elaboration email me Safetypete1@gmail.com and I'll gladly show you what my cooling system looks like, how to pin the thermostat in 5 minutes for $0.25 or I can send you to the sites and groups who know more about this than myself. This is a headscratcher bigtime.
The Temps he posted are WITHOUT towing a trailer, how can you or Toyota say they are within spec if he NEVER even gave his temps WHILE HE WAS ACTUALLY TOWING?
Towing how much weight over what kind of terrain at what altitude?
@Kevin Huff I think he needs to remake this video...
I sat there wondering the same thing. Yes, those temps are within specs.....but he isn't towing. If the guy would show the temps WHILE towing and getting the error message, it would make a big difference and the Toyota engineers would have the truly needed information to properly respond to this issue. As an owner of a 2019 model myself, I find this very frustrating.
That error message comes on at 302 degrees
@@freshjamproductions9336 thank you for the information!
The cooler a transmission runs the longer it last. That's a fact. If Toyota says u have a transmission cooler and u buy the truck and don't have it the attorneys will have a payday on a class action.
Yep those sorry attorneys will get big paychecks and you will get a cooler, 😂😂
I just installed one myself. My temps without the cooler where around 225-250. Now it stays around 195. I want my transmission as cool as possible to help the oil last longer and reduce wear on transmission
Was it a Toyota OEM kit or aftermarket kit? If OEM, do you have part number(s)?
I just bought my 2020 limited tundra 4x4 and I was towing 7,000 pounds and the same warning light came on I guess am stuck with it till they get something fix
Simple to add one, couple hundred bucks. Save you THOUSANDS!
You should look at your window sticker and see if list a trans cooler with the towing package, If it does Toyota owes you a trans cooler or its false advertising.
@@billbeck4661 they dont, toyota states the warmer acts as the cooler when trans temps are higher then engine temps. no were in the window sticker does it say "external" trans cooler.
is it bullshit yes, but thats there stance.
Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees.
Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk the fluid isn’t the only issue... clutch material isn’t. Seals aren’t. Hence why it was designed with a cooler before hand and why everyone else runs one and keeps the damn temps below 230!
I have a 2019 Tundra Platinum and pull a 25’ Airstream. Was recently in hilly Chattanooga and had the Trans Fluid high temp caution message pop up. It was a quick message and then gone, twice. My concern is why have a warning if it’s not a concern?
Where you towing on D ?
Here is my thought. I have a 2021 Tundra and I'm about to start pulling a 32' RV. Not often but a pull is a pull. This week I've ordered all of the items to install a transmission cooler to be safe. However, the thermostat on the new part (after the pin is pulled) is rated at 250 degrees (I'm told). So if the thermostat doesn't open until 250 degree then what is the use of the transmission cooler if it will hardly ever open up to cool? In my case I'm pulling the max combined at nearly 16k lbs between the truck weight and the rv weight. I'm sure my transmission is going to get pretty darn hot and need that cooler. If I wasn't pulling this big rv then well I probably just ordered a fancy part that would likely stay closed most of the time. I've also been told to not pull the thermostat pin and let the fluid flow all the time. Being in South Texas that is probably what I'm going to do unless someone give me good logical reason to use the 250 degree thermostat.
Toyota should recall all 2019-2020 Tundras. The trucks were clearly not built to the standards played out by their own window sticker. Toyotas answer on that is not acceptable. Yes the 227 is within the acceptable range but that is already warm so when you add a trailer of course it will overheat.
No, there needs to be a class action lawsuit. The Monroney sticker from 2018 and 2020 is the exact same for a Tundra 5.7L with towing package. They are deceiving customers!
@@alienation-k1x I agree. Realistically even if Toyota added a transmission cooler as a recall, what kind of damage has already been done to the transmission running at such a high temperature?
Just throwing this out there but even the ancient Nissan Frontier has an external transmission cooler. Come on Toyota!
How can they say that the temps are “within range” if the high temp warning is going off? On a brand new truck? That was a mistake by Toyota, removing the cooler on that ancient powertrain.
Toyota seems to be cutting costs at the expense of long term reliability. This kind of move is totally unacceptable.
You nailed it on ancient power train
If you listened, Toyota said the temp is normal and the warning sensor is bad because it shouldn’t be triggered by those temps.. Replace the warning sensor. What’s so hard to understand?
@@andrewbeck844 The same Toyota that told us they fixed the frame rust rot year after year for two plus decades and took years and multiple TSB's to address the drivability issues of the 3rd gen Tacoma 3.5 V6+automatic combo. I would want a second opinion on the accuracy of the temperature sensor and trans fluid temps.
hochhaul Which will be determined by replacing the sensor. If it still overheats than you can blame the transmission. That “ancient powertrain” sure holds up better than our fleet of Rams. EVERY one of the transmissions has been in for repair or replacement with less than 70k miles. No towing or hauling anything heavy. I’ll take my trouble free, “ancient” Tundra over my work Ram everyday.
Great video Tim .. again that answer from Toyota is b.s .. they try and blame the warning light on a faulty sensor ... Come on .. really !? Plus the Toyota fluid is a semi synthetic . Which will degrade even quicker with high heat like this .. so long story short . Yes nothing bad will happen right now at such a low mileage ... But these increased trans temps will definitely shorten the life span of the fluid and if fluid changes are not done more frequently it will overall shorten the life of the transmission .
With my 2019 I have been proactive and retrofitted my truck with a external trans cooler . Now my trans temps hold steady around 200 degrees while towing my 7000lb travel trailer . Tundra owners need to know that there is a solution to this problem . You can easily install Toyota parts to have a real trans cooler again .
Thanks Jordon. Good to hear about that easy fix. I'll make sure I let people know.
Yes I agree with you Jordon, that is the right thing to do, sad to see they are cheaping out on their quality, like the Taco HVAC blower fan now made in China instead of the OEM Denso. Really sad to see.
I feel that Toyota should install one free, since it is listed on the window sticker.
Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner says he’s been to dealer. No issues with truck from dealer.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Tim, with that new information .. we need to know exactly the temp needs to be to set the warning light . I've heard that it is 300 degrees .. but would like that confirmed
Heat in trans is never good. May b within range but how bout longevity? Toyota may be saving money by removing trans cooler reliability is why toyota has the reputation they have. I think this is huge mistake on toyotas part.
It's my understanding that as of March 2020, they also removed the transmission cooler from Tacoma. I've been saying it for a hot minute, the current staff of bean counters in Toyota management will drive their quality into the ground.
Bean counters will ruin Toyota just like GM .
@@alienation-k1x They are hard at it.
@@alienation-k1x Toyuota is doing a great job of removing reliability from the Tundra and Tacoma.
I have an old trans fluid temperature chart from an old mechanics book. The chart states acceptable operating temps are under 190 for unloaded driving. Towing range is no higher than 240. These temperatures are too high.
Is it a chart specifically for Toyota/Aisin or is it general?
@@dalephillips8250 from my line of business heat is the main killer for any lubricated oil. Temperature above 200 degrees Fahrenheit are considered high/loaded temperatures and oil should be replaced every 20k if continuous. Every 20 degrees over 200 doubles the failure rate. I don't care fluid type because I'll see your transmission in my shop with temperatures like those.
@@michaelbernabeo8437 thanks Mike. This concerns me as I have a 2020 TRD PRO
@@dalephillips8250 anytime, I hate to see people get screwed over by manufacturers. Especially ones that know it will break or cause damage.
@@michaelbernabeo8437 I have my 5000 mile service coming up and i'm going to question them about this because my sticker states I have a transmission engine cooler.
I experienced the same issue Received this warning light HIGH TRANSMISSION TEMP FLUID after 3 hrs on the road with no load ( just me and my wife). I made complain to Toyota USA and got case number. have my vehicle checked by local dealer. Mechanic drove the vehicle for 30 mins - tested - no issue found. Keep In mind I told them the warning light illuminated after 3 hrs. What we need to do is call Toyota USA let them know you’re experienced with high temp to the transmission once they received enough complaints from consumers then hope they will look at this issue and come out with Service bulletin. Having boiling hot oil 250 - 280 degrees feeding the components without cooling system that’s just bad engineering in my book.
It takes over 500degrees F for Transmission fluid to boil..
Heck yes I would be concerned. First off, your contact at Toyota is pretending that the temp reading were taken while towing and the truck owner said it was taken while unloaded. If it's approaching 250 in town it certainly would be over 280 while pulling 9000 lbs up a grade. Second, full life of transmission is available when operated under 200 degrees. At 220 degrees life is cut in half. Maybe new synthetic transmission fluid will not break down until 280, but what about everything else in there? In any case, I would spend the $ to get an aftermarket transmission cooler added. I like to keep my vehicles past 150k and transmission replacement is so darn expensive.
ive had 2 toyota trans failures, both caused by the rad rupturing internal causing milk shake in trans and cooling, if they can get rid of the external lines and still cool l say all the better,
But no one mentions that! Everyone is quick to point to that issue in the frontier/Xterra/pathfinder, even though Nissan fixed it in 2010+ models.
The cooler that was removed is ATF only. It wouldn't cause your milkshake issue, only an ATF leak. The trucks still have the coolant to ATF warmer, which can fail and cause the milkshake issue you had.
😂🤣 no you haven’t
Toyota corporate should listen 👂 to u and us . Good luck 🍀
2020 tundra owner here and I'm very concerned because with the trans. cooler it still will be cooler and it would be even better... and it's on the sticker and charged and paid for!!! They should recall all trucks and add it on!!! I would be much happier and I'm sure all owners who bought these two Year Tundras would agree!!! Come on Toyota you never let us down before and I'm sure your not going to let us down now!!!
It appears to be a Monroney sticker violation. Consult an attorney that handles those
types of cases.
Just lost my transmission on my 2008 at 155k. It was serviced at 120k as recommended by toyota. I do pull a 7k trailer and ran bigger off road tires on 2 inch lift.
I need to get this odb2 app.. i was thinking of getting a new one but now just going to drive this after rebuilt.
Hey Tim , does this mean any tundra made before the real tow package went away is gold and any 2018 is the the wanted one ? Thanks
Lucky my 2017 Sequoia has the thermostatically controlled cooler. I just towed my 6300lb trailer 6 hours straight with the ambient temp being 35°C. Temp gauge for the trans and engine never moved and I was giving it hell up the hills with the A/C blasting too. Still impressed with it every time I tow. My wife primarily drives it because I have a company car and she absolutely loves it too.
I have a 2010 Sequoia with the tow pkg that has the trans temp gauge as well. Loaded, unloaded, towing a trailer in the mountains of WV with full throttle pulls as long as 5-7 minutes at a time in 90 deg temps with AC running and have never seen the gauge even twitch past it's normal position. I don't know what the actual temp is, but whatever it is, it doesn't change perceptibly regardless of ambient temperature or load. I had a 2008 Tundra that made the same journey many times- no tow pkg- with no issue whatsoever, and traded it with 212,000 zero issue miles for the Sequoia, which is now pushing 200K- also zero issues. Basic maintenance. Period. Clearly there is an issue with the new trucks if they are getting trans temp warnings, and agree with everyone saying Toyota needs to install a cooler. Never had an issue before, now they do.
The window sticker for my 2018 has the same exact description of the tow package
I was disappointed to find out in my 2019 after the fact of buying it, that it didn’t have the transmission cooler when it said it did on the sticker. Not much to do now but drive it. Great video Tim. Thanks
See the comment from Jordon on this video. Seems like an easy fix to add a transmission oil cooler.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Tim don't you think Toyota should be responsible for the cost of adding a transmission cooler. I mean they sold customer trucks claiming they had a part that was in fact not there. Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen
Brandon so, naturally, I’m getting more details after the video. Toyota says they have a heat/cooler on the trans body just not a “multi-cooler” anymore. Honestly, this is out of my wheelhouse on those differences.
Brandon with that said, they could likely defend their sticker as saying it applied to that and not the oil cooler. However, I’m hearing marketing will get involved and might make a change based on these videos.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Interesting terminology they are using. I think anyone who's not a toyota engineer could easily be mislead by that sticker lol
I have a 2019 Tundra 4.6L, my trailer is half the rated 6500lbs capacity. I monitor the temps with a ScanGauge2 and thought it also ran really hot. I’ll probably end up with the new Ford Diesel F150.
Your 4.6l does not have a tow package so no cooler. Add a cooler and you will be fine.
David Robertson As the truck was delivered, it was rated to tow 6500 lbs. Toyota used the SAE J2807 standards to establish the capacity, but it runs hotter than I think is acceptable. I’m waiting for the 2022 Tundra V6 Twin Turbo before I take any long trips with the camper.
Just trust Toyota ;) It only took them 3 years to figure out they pinned the turn signal bulbs incorrectly. I'm sure that REMOVING the cooling system from the transmission and trying to use the EXISTING warmer as a heat exchanger had all of our best interests at heart, they just forgot to update the window sticker (and left it in the towing section of the window sticker when we weren't getting a cooling upgrade over the base models), and forgot to lower the prices too. Seriously, they need to do another recall and put an actual cooling system back on the truck (at a minimum on the ones with towing packages). People should feel ripped off by Toyota on this one, so much for looking out for the customer. Toyota's core values state "We are a company driven by imagination, experimentation, humility, respect and innovation. And we believe it is people, our people, who will go the extra mile to deliver to our customers all that Toyota promises to be, today and into the future. It's about integrity." So how about you do the right thing and fix this mess!!!!
Thanks for the high reading clarification on the 2019/20 Tundras.. Keep up the ongoing analysis work.
I have a 2021 Tundra Nightshade and pull my ASV RT 40 track loader with no issues
This video was informative and helpful. Thanks
My 2019 Tundra 4.6L DOES NOT MEET SAE J2807 STANDARDS towing my 3000 lbs trailer.
I've been a fan of Toyota's for decades. I've owned three Camry's and currently own 2008 Lexus is350 and a 2018 Tundra Limited TRD Pro 4x4. Big mistake getting rid of the Transmission Cooler on the New Tundra's.
This is why I still with my 2018. Love it
Class action lawsuit against toyota anyone????
Needs to happen as it's still listed on the Monroney sticker the same as it was pre 2019. They are deceiving customers.
My state attorney general will go after them.
I sued them scumbags for selling me a lemon
@Jason Creech please LET ME KNOW WHERE! IM HAVING ENGINE KNOCKING. 2019. TELLLL MEEEW3.
Lies...ALL of the Toyota guys tell us Big 3 guys that the Tundra can run dry on oil for a month and still drive like new!🤔🤣🤣. Seriously though, trans temps running higher than the engine coolant temp is never ever good. Even if Toyota says it is within "normal range", that does not bode well for longevity at all for the internals of the transmission.
Why would they remove the cooler but not lower the price of the trucks? Toyota has shit the bed once again.
John Martin because you keep NHTSA safety ratings up to par with other MFG’s, they had to add a bunch of pricey gizmo’s like radar cruise, pre collision, lane departure, auto braking, cross traffic alert, LED headlights, etc... profit margins were down, they were looking to trim the fat for 2020 because now they’re also adding keyless ignition, and Apple/Android functionality to the head unit as well as the satellite connectivity system which all cost licensing moneys.
DirtE30 what’s the point of buying a truck to tow with no tranny cooler?
John Martin agreed
Those are not normal, I have LC200 and it has a huge cooler and my readings are around 140F to 180F !!
I'm sure that when Toyota examined the million mile trucks, they realized they needed them to break down sooner in order to make more money in the parts and service department. In the short-term, lack of a cooler is no problem, but in the long run we'll see.
Yup exactly. Can't have that much reliability..but they want to charge more on current models due to past reliability histoy lmao
He clearly said in the email that the OBD2 numbers were WITHOUT a trailer. The warning light was coming on WITH a trailer. So the Toyota guy saying “those numbers are within range...” no crap, those weren’t the numbers under load.
My 2020 only has 2300 miles on it and I can hit 235+ without pulling a trailer and only 2 people in it with some light camping gear. Once I hook a travel trailer up to it my temps are going to climb way up. The tow package should have the cooler.
Yea i feel like the toyota engineer completely disregarded the issue and didn’t address it at all. The light isn’t coming on at those temps. The guy who took pics should hook his trailer up and then take pics of the trans temp while towing. They cant refute that
Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner says he’s been to dealer. No issues with truck.
Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk sounds like the best solution is for the owner to add a trans cooler. IIRC, it’s an easy job.
@@Pickuptrucktalk That is complete and utter NONSENSE, anything above 250 degrees has been proven to degrade ATF fluid, and fast! This is complete BS from Toyota!
I am suckened, grieved to the core , over this totally redesigned Tundra. Toyota is a Stellar company, now with a Terrible stain on its reputation. They had 13 years to reverse Engineer Fords F150, Ram, ect. It was over Hyped, and they screwed this Up Totally. Squeeking consols, wind noise, doors needing to be adjusted, Transmission hunting , deciding which gears. They should have perfected a higher speed Tough Transmission, improved the 5.7 motor, and lightened truck weight via, aluminum doors, tailgate, hood. I have a Tacoma, Tundra was my next Truck.. Toyota you Destroyed my Trust and Confidence, SHAME ON YOU ENGINEERS!!!!
I agree , it’s probably a sensor. What did his dealer say? Or did he jump to conclusion? Please let us know what the fix was. I highly doubt you have a transmission problem .
I have a 2020 SR5 with tow package and it shows Eng/Trans Fluid Coolers on the sticker just like the Pro
I think that if the engineers at Toyota have designed a transmission to take those kind of temps, then go with it. Just because the Big 3 burns out transmissions at those temps shouldn't be a concern for Tundra owners... Toyota had REAL engineers and not just wannabees....
I have a 2016 tundra with a tow package! I put a pin in the trans valve to keep the cooler open all the time It runs around 200°F normal driving!
Toyota is looking at these people profiting on transmission cooler kits. That might make them rethink and start installing themselves these missing parts.
But why removed it if have been for years on the truck and it help the trans run cooler?
So if tundra shopping look for an 18 ?
If you want a transmission oil cooler, then yes.
@@Pickuptrucktalk or get a new one and install an after market transmission cooler? 🤔 but damn toyota need to put one in them trucks..
I thought Toyota would be a nice trade up from Dodge so I bought a Toyota tundra sr5 . I have had it in the shop for routine maintenance 3 times but they have yet to fix any recalls. Thinking I should buy a Titan and see if Nissan is as rude as Dodge and Toyota
Holy cow, that’s a drastic change in temperature. The hottest I’ve ran my transmission on my 2015 in the hot Texas summer is 212 degrees, that is after running a tune that increases your RPM to 6000, I was racing it that time. Normal temperature is anywhere between 190-200
I have a 2019 Colorado with the V6 and "tow package" but my transmission temperature on the 8-speed automatic runs about 127 - 134 on hot days while NOT towing. I haven't had a chance to tow anything heavy so I can't comment on towing temperatures but 225 + seems pretty high to me.
It is! Especially for basically being empty!
Any length of time at 225+ is going to damage the seals, frictions, and check balls.
@@hochhaul correct.
My 5.3L Silverado 19 is exactly at the same range of yours. 225 is too high 💀 for an empty truck.
@@amprg That is too high, even for a 6-speed GM. Normal trans temp for a 6-speed truck is 195 to 205. 225 is only if it's a 6-speed plowing snow. The 8-speed will never exceed 200 under normal operating conditions.
My 2020 toyota tundra trd pro sticker says the same. We got jacked. 💨. I dont tow so ill just get in line if they ever send notifications to get it installed if they offer it and actually dropped the ball by omitting it. A jet ski here and there is all I tow. Good content and thanks for sharing the information
Thanks!
Toyota dropped over 30 things from my 2007 and 2012 tundra sr5s compared to the 2017 sr5 I currently own. I am looking elsewhere for my next truck, I only hope the next one can match the only reason I have been sticking with Toyota, the unquestioned reliability. Toyota is ruining this vehicle.
please list out all the changes you know of if you would ?
Toyota has a team that will delete small features every year in order to save money/ cut cost, in other words, its called toyota tax
I will give you "Toyota safety sense" cruise but will take away your transmission cooler to keep things equal.......Toyota CEO
I just got my 20 Tundra week ago...I turned all those irritating nannies off. I do want a tranny cooler tho. I am Canadian and my dealer told me ALL.CANADIAN Tundras have a tranny cooler AND warmer...now i have to see if they lied to me.
@@mikefoehr235 So did you check?
@@goingindieEN They lied. TFL Truck tested a Tundra without a tranny cooler and it seemed to work OK. I am on the fence tho.
@@mikefoehr235 they do have a warmer, however that warmer is not efficient for cooling, because it can't cool the trans any cooler than engine coolant temp. Given how close the temps would be, the warmer can't efficiently cool the transmission (not much delta t)
@@mikefoehr235 it got hotter pulling a grade a few miles long on a cool day than the trans in my old pickup EVER did. A long pull on a 100+ degree day would probably toast the trans. I'm installing the cooler on my 2020.
I bought a 2021 tundra Crewmax(back at the end of Oct.) with the tow package and it doesn't have the eng/trans cooler statement on the window sticker. I am also bought a 32' foot travel trailer, weighs 8000 lbs. I am bit concerned about it not having the trans cooler. I guess i'll find out this summer if it good or not. Its hard to judge, looking at the videos on you tube. Some say it good, some say trouble ahead. I love the truck so far. I just bought the trailer home last week (JAN 22, 2021). Drove 4 hours on the expressway with the trailer back home. The tremp outside were in the 20's. I live in Michigan. The trans seemed fine, I drove 70mph for about 2 hours. Then 60-65 for an hour, dropped down to 55-60 for the last hour as it is a 2 lane highway.
I look forward to some interesting responses to this video Tim. Transmission cooler delete aside, their is no factory gauge to give transmission temperature in the Tundra EVIC? Are Toyota owners not privileged to this information? My Ram Hemi EVIC shows 180 wide open passing full temp.
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Did I missed something. The truck owner only sent you pics of temps when not pulling the trailer. How then can the engineer make the call the sensor maybe bad. What is the temp off his OBD fusion app when pulling trailer and warning pops up.
Does my 2014 4x4 4.6 toyota tundra have a transmission oil cooler? I get 208 transmission temp just driving empty truck to walmart 8 miles away seems high to me. I have not towed my 16foot Crago trailer yet it loaded with tools weighs 5000 pounds so you know its going to go beyond the 240 degree range . Dealer is not much help he says if I put one on it it will void my lifetime warenty?
2016 has the exact same description but we have the trans cooler on it! Toyota should make this right, and fix the sticker!
I had a 2016 tundra and would tow a 6500 trailer if going up a hill it would down shift but would not up shift once on level ground took along time to up shift took to dealer 2 times nothing wrong .traded truck in
Great video and explanation, I wish I would have seen your video before I traded my 2016 for a 2021, I'm having the same issue. I pull a trailer that loaded weighs about 7200lbs and I have always used the OBD fusion to watch my Temps and fuel efficiency, with my 2016 the temp never exceeded 208° with the 2021 I've reached 256° and I pulled over and waited about 20minutes until the temp came down to 200° had to do this 3 to 4 times in a 300 mile trip we take to the Fl. Keys every few months.
I'm so disappointed with Toyota, now I have to buy an aftermarket cooler, the one I'm looking at is about $900.00.
Part of me wants to sell the 2021 and buy a 2018 with the cooler. Might just get a Chevy 6.6l instead.
Please if you have heard anything else from toyota please inform us.
Thank you
Nothing new to report. Toyota says it’s within normal operating range. New 2022 trucks have cooler due to new turbo engine needing more cooling to hit towing numbers.
Damn I just bought the OEM thermostat and a Hayden cooler thingy plus 25 ft of hose and I'm only in it $330. I opted not to buy the hard lines. Some of those kits are a rip-off because you can buy all the parts for 1/4 of the price of those kits.
I believe each manufacturer has their temp ratings, but I will say my 2014 Ford F-150 ran around 240°. Our 2004 Chevy Avalanche runs around 200° and our 2015 Chevy Colorado runs around 150°. So it's really hard to say....
Obviously the temps were higher when he was towing...
I can attest to the fact that it will be well into the 250 range or above and stay there towing something that big...
That being said, a 29’ 9k lb trailer is WAY too much trailer for this truck, period!
Toyota has YET to tell us what their “acceptable range” is, and the fact that they set out to delete something that can do NOTHING BUT HELP LONGEVITY speaks for itself!
Also, EVERY other half ton with a tow pack has one! Lol. C’mon Toyota, you’re hurting your reputation with one of the most loyal consumer bases in the world!
Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees.
@@Pickuptrucktalk
Yes but the owner's concern was the warning on the dash comes on. That warning appears when transmission temperature is above 302F. The excuses given was that there must be a sensor problem. Easy to diag, test the pan temp with a IR temp gun. The reason for the removal of the transmission cooler was because of a design change. In 2019 Toyota started using R1234YF for freon instead on R134A. Because the new feon is not as efficient in cooling the condenser on the 2019-20 Tundra had to be increased in size. The 2018 Tundra has the transmission cooler integrated into the condenser but they couldn't do this with the new feon because it's not as efficient and the AC would not cool effectively. Cheapest solution after some testing was just not run a cooler and have the "warmer/cooler" heat exchanger do the job of cooling the transmission. Full disclosure, I'm a Toyota technician.
David Robertson followed up the owner and he’s had the check tested at dealer. No issues.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Then we have a design problem.
I just bought a 2020 4 Runner last weekend, it still has R134A, my 2019 Tacoma has the new 1234yf. The condenser is massive on the Tacoma. The Tacoma has auto climate control, it runs recirc 85 percent of the time unless the humidity gets high outside. Live in CO.
They can't just delete that wording . If it was sold with that on the sticker they will have to install them on the truck . Your sticker is on a trd pro he has a sr5 big option difference. How bout a sticker from a sr5?
Haha! Great opening. As a 2019 Tundra owner, I'll be keeping up with your excellent vids.
Paul - Deep in the heart of Texas!
Dang right that is too hot.
Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner says he’s been to dealer. No issues with truck.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Fluid may be, but seals, and clutch material absolutely not.
@@Pickuptrucktalk still too hot. When I am pulling a trailer I don't see temps as high as when he is unladen.
My ‘20 IF it sits a day when I start it and immediately put it in drive it acts sluggish for maybe 15-20 seconds verses when if it has run for a mile then off started and put in drive then the tranny is very responsive as normal.
So question is does the Tranny require a 30-45 second warm up?
Weird. It shouldn't require a warming up.
Why would my 2020 Tacoma TRD PRO have a trans cooler then? 🤔
Does it tho? www.tacomaworld.com/threads/missing-transmission-cooler.671079/
@@joshe2178 Not after March of 2020, they dropped them on Tacomas as well.
At least the thermostat is still there, unlike the Tundra, if you want to add an external.
My Toyota dealership overfilled my engine oil and when I pointed it out, instead of agreeing to drain the excess, they immediately went to the idea that the dipstick was bad!? 🤣🤣🤣 Told them, just drain the fucking oil. Problem solved. Dealerships SUCK.
Woo Hoo 2019 and 2020 Tundra owners with tow package are going to get trans oil coolers. Sticker also indicates an engine oil cooler. Do they actually have one of those? F-150 has a dedicated trans temp gauge and you can also display in the center screen between the tach and speedometer.
Yup
I just tried my f 150 2018 for 2020 tundra I'm feel bad
He said that wasn’t pulling the trailer for those temps...he needs to let us know what it comes up to when the light kicks on.
Oh I’m sure he will. There’s an update video on this channel. 304 degrees seems to trip the warning.
Did he have the truck checked out? Was the sensor bad causing the warning?
He did have it checked out and opted to install a transmission cooler as well. He hasn't had an error since, but no clear connection between transmission cooler and no error.
I have just downloaded the toyota product information sheets for 2019. The tow package is std on all models but crewman. Tow package includes trans temp gauge and oil and trans oil coolers. Marketing arm didn't read their own product sheets.
In my opinion the cooler the trans fluid the better, I owned a 98 Dodge Ram 1500 with two coolers, the one in the radiator and a second external one, while I didn't get to tow anything I did load the bed with almost a ton of stuff when I moved to Texas and no problems. The truck had over 160K on the clock and it would move up a not too steep incline at idle, but that's just my case
Almost traded my 15 on a 20 until I found out about this!
Yep was looking at a 20 platinum. Ill keep my 16
It's totally fine. People are over thinking this. There are no reports of trans failures on the newer Tundras with the tow package.
Just bought a 2017 tundra thinking I was going to put a trans. cooler and the thermostat in it! i took the grill off, i can see a full size cooler on it! 🙏thank you all I need to do is a trans.service!
I bought an OBD-2 but as far as I can tell it does not have trans temp, how do you access that feature? (2020 Tundra)
I agree with the guy. Toyota needs to do a service bulletin to install a cooler free of charge fo anyone who asks. That truck should be able to haul the heaviest trailer it’s rated for on the hottest day of the year up a mountain at highway speed without overheating the transmission or engine, if not then Toyota has a responsibility to fix it or reduce the rating of their vehicles.
If you’re towing 9k pounds, you never should have bought a Tundra. Should have bought an F-250
Hello my name is Shea I have a 2019 Toyota Tundra TRD pro I’ve recently installed a Phoenix new generation Tesla style radio a few weeks ago during a regular drive my break malfunction light came on also abs light I put the car into park turned it off turn is back on car fired right up but would not go into gear I had to push the emergency gear Release button I made an appointment to Toyota and was told everything led to the radio, so I Uninstall the radio and Reinstall the original tundra radio cleared all the codes and car was running good a few days ago lights pop up again and will not go into gear is there any advice I can have or say to the dealership .
I have a 2019 and my Sticker shows it has the transmission cooler but it does not!!! My 2019 transmission is overheating when NOT towing. When climbing a mountaintop with only tools in the truck, the overheat light comes on every time I climb this same mountain that is only 3759 feet tall. Toyota needs to put the cooler on the 2019 & 2020 Tundras. The sticker shows it has a transmission cooler. If it is the sensor, ALL sensors should be replaced under a recall.
Guess I'm knocking the tundra off the shopping list. What is Toyota's max transmission temperature?
Oil is good up to 280 degrees like Valvolines.
No transmission cooler? WTF!!!
Tim I bet your friend with the trail boss is really glad he didn't go tundra after seeing this video! He would probably have had the same problem if he is planning on getting a trailer
Toyota needs to tell us the number. While snow plowing, I've always kept the trans temp gauge showing on my GM trucks. I was always told that you should start watching it at 200, slow it down at 225 and shut it down (idle) well before anything close to 300.
I realize they're different manufacturers and I have a lot more faith in Toyota's products, and they claim to be using a hi-temp fluid, but a 500 degree trans temperature redline? No way! This issue is keeping me from buying a Tundra. I wish they would resolve it. It is, however, good to learn from this video that there is at least a trans temp sensor and a warning screen!
500 degree trans temperature redline? Where did you hear that?
Well on the bright side, at least you didn't get a 2020 Dodge Ram. Lol
And easy way to really find out about transmission temps...have some one buy a OBD monitor and drive a older tundra...and type in the specs on this video and compare
Been done on Tundras forum, 2017/2018 models running 25-40 degrees cooler than 2019/2020.
@@putmeincoach7663 then Houston we have a problem lol.... Every 20 degrees makes a huge difference in transmission heat!! ...yeah they need to add a recall and slap that cooler on there...
It actually does have a trans "heater/cooler" lol ...that engine coolant transfer block (right after the spacer that used to be a trans cooler does "cool" after its done heating. Hard to explain but you still did a pretty good job. I added a cooler using OEM parts (thermostat and hard lines) then I went bigger on the flow through style cooler and added an electric fan with a sensor..if it dies it dies at least I tried. I worked hard and really have no use for the dealer even though I am under warranty.
I have a 2020 tundra. Is at about 43K. I do a lot of highway miles. Luckily I haven’t towed anything to have this problem but that’s terrible. Would you recommend changing the tranny oil sooner than the manufacture’s 60 K interval
I bought a used 2020 tundra excellent shape but the previous owner towed a 28ft trailer. My transmission blew 2 weeks after I bought it at 46,000 miles and was replaced under warranty. I’m definitely changing the fluid every 30k miles from now on. Possibly adding a cooler if there is no recall.
147,000 miles on my 2019 tundra, tow a 8,500lbs trailer cross country 3 times a year. Transmission still feels like the day I bought it.
Confirming it doesn't have a cooler??
I’m I have a 6,100 lbs. trailer very concerned. So can I install a transmission coolant on my 2021 tundra?
Yes. Talk to dealer.
Miguel Pantoja any updates??
Aisin makes extremely reliable transmissions, their engineers designed it to be used with a external cooler. Mike Sweers had no business removing it. He is jeopardizing Toyota's QRD reputation built by engineers like Yuichiro Obu and Chikuo Kubota. He is just a lousy Detroit engineer that came from Chrysler and Oldsmovile. The only reason to do this was to cheap out Toyota owners at the expense of QRD
Another reason I'm going to keep my 16 Tundra with 47K miles. Have cooler. Do not have all that safety stuff....After driving for 55 years I don't need a computer to tell me whether its ok to pass. Just sayin...
AMEN Brother!
My 2019 "transmission fluid high temperature" message comes on every time i do any moderate fire road climbs. Ive seen it in winter and summer. I really rhink these can use a cooler. Ill be doing more drain and fills going forward. Perhaps toyota has started "planned Obsolescence on these trucks. I have a feeling of transmission problems in the future. Fluid comes out unusually dark with drain and fills!
My ford 2013 echoboost runs @ 150-170 when not towning, when i tow a 9,000lbs trailer the transmission temp runs @ 180- 210 degrees Fahrenheit.
Towing a 23' trailer at 6k lbs my Ram 1500 with the 8 speed has never gone over 192 degrees while towing.
We have a 21 Tundra and I can smell hot transmission fluid while driving under normal city but highway disappears with the wind. Sucks we can’t even check the levels
static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10203529-9999.pdf had this under warranty and feels better and no transmission smells now;)