The big problem is you can have 3 drivers all drive the same car and come back with different feedback, I have literally had that in the past when working with drivers to make the physics feel as realistic as possible.
I found that the main thing that annoys me and doesn't sound great with the GT3's are the gearbox sounds. It just doesn't sound like the gearboxes in any of the GT3's imo. So many other sims have gotten that right and it really makes a difference to me in immersion.
I think they said they are updating the whole sound portion of their sim engine. But I 100% remember reading that they will update the sound of this car.
I think iRacing doesn't even have the in-car noises to be honest. Like the rattling of the nets and hooks, things being rattled, etc. like ACC has. I wish we had it. It's very immersive.
Iracing should just pay Kunos a sum of money in order to use their sound. I agree in acc the cars especially the 720s sound so much better in and out of car.
Yeah honestly, after spending a lot of time in ACC, iRacing just sounds like any random video game. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing in other areas, but the sound isn't their strongest feature. I hope they will eventually remake their sound and add all of the little rattles and immersive sounds from inside the cockpit.
Jimmy had the same complaints about the onboard sound of the M4 GT4 as you do with the Macca, iRacing are letting themselves down by neglecting the audio ao badly its always been one of the weaker points of the sim.
They prefer to sell more content rahter than fixing issues. With the price the Service costs they should always aim for perfection and if they have issues they should fixed them first. That would mean quality of service.
Hey James! Thanks for taking the time to do this review for us! In terms of us that main iRacing, a new McLaren GT3 was WAY overdue since we never got the 650S or even the first iteration of the 720S. In terms of why the top speed could be down compared to your IRL footage, I could very much be wrong on this, but it could be due to the fact that the GT3s in iRacing uses the IMSA GTD/GTD Pro specifications for the GT3s and not the Fanatec GT SRO specifications that you may find on ACC. That could very well be the reason why the top speed could be down compared to IRL.
Very valid point - iRacing will invariably scan US-based cars if they can. This is why their Lotus 49 has lower-profile tyres than Assetto Corsa's too.
It is so confusing. Recently one of Russian racers Aleksandr Smolyar had his GT3 experience in Merc in Russian Endurance Championship and did a video talking about how his experience was comparing to the sims. Simwise he actually play a lot more of ACC like you do or at least did in the past and he said that ACC is a lot more off and iRacing does almost a perfect job or replicating real life experience but he mostly focused on a footwork to drive a car with deep trail braking. As one of the cons of iRacing he mentioned that tires are overheating too fast. He also didn't mentioned this twitchiness of the car on the braking. As someone who tried most of the sims myself (but enjoy iRacing mostly) and also would never have an experience to drive GT3 car i would say that what you described with all that twitchiness, aggressiveness of the car and like possibility to overdrive the car it reminded me of my rFactor experience. For me it feels like where iRacing doesn't have like tire play, ACC has no suspension. Same time rFactor has both but it feels like too much of it. At moments it feels like you're driving on soft tire with a sidewall size of a truck tire. So would be interesting to hear is it really so much play in the rear and in the tires as well as what do you think about iRacing and ACC footwork-wise. Cause braking and getting on throttle in these sims feels so much different.
It's great hear the perspective from someone who has actually driven the real version of the car. I hope IRacing listen and make the subtle changes you mentioned.
the fact that Daniel Morad says the exact opposite for the Merc is interesting😅Morad always talks about acc being unrealistic because you can just "smash the brake", but as far as I understand, that is exactly what modern GT3 ABS allows you to do? Not being able to push the car and really drive it on the limit bc of a bad tyre model seems like a way bigger problem to me? personally never drove any of these cars irl but I always felt like acc feels more how I imagine these GT3s drive
@@ramoncreativeworks9192 Morad is getting paid by iRacing to praise it. He is an iRacing ambassador. Of course, he is not going to speak badly about iRacing.
Paid ambassador argument falls a bit when he low key embarrassed the devs on his iRacing Porsche Cup critique video. It's ok to have a different opinion, not everything is an ulterior motive.
He comes off as a shill tbh, other real life gt3 drivers say that's how you brake, abs is an advantage. In iracing it's a disadvantage so you have to avoid triggering abs. Which makes it super wierd for him to take that stance considering he races in real life too
Amazing stuff. Thanks for your impressions. It would be amazing if you can do the same for other simulations like LMU, RaceRoom or AMS2 too, when their respective versions of the 720S Evo get released. BTW. What do you mean by the breaking of ACC is not great? As I have heard, you are supposed to break with maximal force with ABS on in RL too. idk if it depends on the car though.
Daniel Morad has a great insight on this. Indepently on how hard you press the brake, the way you need to work the brakes to make the car dance around the corner is nothing like in real life. IRacing is way more accurate in that sense, the car reacts much more to the way you release the brakes.
Thanks James for sharing your experience it is really appreciated and interesting to see the differences. I’ve raced with you a couple of times hope to see you again sometime 👍
You need speakers and a subwoofer to have goosebumps from the sounds in iRacing. Headsets are no good. The sounds are all recorded directly from the cars, but the tone in a headset is just more dull. When I turn up my speakers to a level of the real life GT3, the sounds in itacing are the best! But then my neighbour is living next to a race track...
To be fair, almost all the really fast cool cars in iracing have the grossest sounding rev. While driving and shifting it sounds better, but revving sounds like ASS for ALL cars that have any speed.
I've raced GT4 in real life, and I have thousands of hours in iRacing and ACC. This video is a VERY good demonstration of the SEVERE weaknesses of iRacing that the devs refuse to fix. iRacing does some things well, but the things it does horribly can ruin a race in a flash. Tires do not go from 100 to 0 instantly from a little wheel spin, the tire slip physics are maybe the worst of any racing sim or game, cars are inherently stable, iRacing you can spin out at 10 MPH lol The cars also seem far more on rails than other sims, and the issue with this to me is that once the cars are unstable (wheel spin, lock ups, oversteer, understeer), the cars have an entirely different set of physics that make them unpredictable and too random to catch often times. Racecars are meant to be driven on the limit, and they feel good on the limit. iRacing feels unpredictable and bad on the limit. By far the worst thing about iRacing though is the fanboys on the forums and in discussions that can't accept any criticism.
It's a great video, and I appreciate the transparency. I would love to know from your experience how those GT3 cars handle cornering and breaking to what I experience in iRacing. I sometimes feel the car grip does not respond even at low speeds, like 70kmps. I feel my sports car in real life turns more in some scenarios. The second question is breaking. If breaking hard in a gt3 car, with the presence of an ABS, the tires are not very exhausted, and when the speed is around 20kmps, the car still takes time to stop. I guess this is much on unrealistic issues from latency to limitations so that the simulator stays within limits. In my normal sports car, at 20kmps, if I press hard to break, the car stops near instantly. I appreciate iRacing because it is so complex to simulate the physics while keeping the cars within their limits. For example, in real life, the car's top speed, acceleration, handling, and all road conditions should be maintained. This is why, while maintaining those limitations, something unrealistic happens. The future of simulation will be a brand new engine completely based ON AI-no need to do any math.
Gotta agree. I do love how alive the tyre feels in LMU and the braking at least in the gte makes alot of sense. Looking forward to comparing acc and LMU gt3s.
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Yo James great video. I was wondering if there's anyway i could get a hold of your Simucube software FFB settings? Having driven real GT3's, i would assume you have some decent settings..
iRacing need to get Race Sim Studios to sort out the audio. The RSS Assetto Corsa GT3 mods sound amazing and I prefer them to ACC. I can’t comment on realism but I find iRacing more natural than ACC. AC probably beats them both but I spend almost all my sim racing time in iRacing. If iRacing could address the sound and tyre issues they’d have the complete package.
@@Jaaames Nice! Their attention to detail is amazing. I have all their mods. Although I did spend a good hour trying to find a mystery rattle in my headset only to realise they had modelled the gear stick shake on the 1970 F1 car. I should have read the manual. 🤣🤣🤣
I maybe a bit off topic but how do you get +-180 fps on iracing ? Your graphic settings look very nice, what kind of magic settings or hardware do you have ? Thanks 😊
Its always very interesting seeing this perspective. Gotta give it to these companies making the sim racing games. They may not be absolutely perfect but it does give it a close feeling!
The sound is missing a bit of that anti-lag sound between some shifts. I also think a bit of EQ tweaking could bring out the barky, edgy sound of the real motor. They honestly might have had to mellow it out for ear fatigue reasons though.
Ref the audio, perhaps what we hear on the video of your IRL driving is being distorted by the microphone. It is peaking above 0.0db which compresses the wav file. This makes the sound more “gritty”.
It may sounds "wrong" in-car, cause you you need to change some settings. Your real in-car video has a sort-of in-helmet muffled sound. You can actually set this ingame in Sound, then "Ear Protection / Helmet Effect" and the microphone in-car also sound a bit "overwhelmed" by the sound. A lot of compression. You can also adjust that in Sound, right underneath the other one. Don't know if that latter one is replay only. Maybe. This might help.
Didn't they publicly say that the sound will get updated in the future, because they either had some problems, or they are updating their sound engine?
They all sound the same. Is crazy when you think how much money they have from renting all the tracks and cars in Iracing + subscriptions from everyone.
Awesome review James. Was hoping you'd do one! Try change the sound to XAudio2 instead of Default. It adds more depth to the sound. I recently changed and was blown away by all the extra bits and depths of the sound.
@@Seraver In the Sounds section of Options menu...look top left. Change the sound device out from Default to XAudio2. You will see a Default and XAudio2 for each of your sounds devices (speakers/headphones etc). Warning..its quite loud at first...you will need to adjust compared to the default where everything was basically full
you hear top much mid and top end in the engine don't hear enough of the lower grunt and road sounds. It's like i racing took the mid equalizer and cranked it. could just be me
I find the sounds in iRacing to be anemic. When you hear these cars in person, or at least on the TV, they sound powerful. It's not just iRacing though, many 'car games' struggle to get engine sounds right. It must be really hard to convert something so visceral into a digital sound and keep the authenticity. I think this car in particular could have been a bit louder... a bit more bark to it.
As a sound designer, I think the onboard sound in iRacing sounding "off" comes down to the mixing. iRacing has always sounded a bit tinny and sterile to me, but I feel like the source material itself is quite accurate. Nailing the sounds in a racing sim is kind of a dark art, at the end of the day it comes down to preference and what "feels" right. Compared to iRacing, ACC's onboard sounds have more presence in the mid-to-low frequencies and seem to even have a bit of distortion added, making it sound more aggressive and weightier.
If you are using the chip-set that is onboard your mother board you might get a "massive" boast in quality and aggressiveness from sounds in the game by getting a dedicated sound card. I just had this experience with the sound being "watered out" after my new PC build but by installing a dedicated PCIe Sound card it was like having a whole NEW game!
@@Jaaames It's true, most of the complainers of the sound in iRacing haven't got the systems or headroom to reproduce the fidelity we offer in XAudio. The ASUS PCI-E soundcards are really nice quality for the audiophile. A good surround speaker system with a sub and a buttkicker is an absolute treat. Thanks for your honest opinions. There is an update to the onboard to give it a little more girth without compromising the recording we captured with the Pfaff team.
@@greghill6117 I have to call you out on this. If the problem is the user's hardware, why does RaceRoom sound SO incredible compared to iRacing on the same hardware? Ditto for a few of the other sims. Is it because iRacing is only a actually TRYING with XAudio and is just phoning it in on DirectSound?
@@greghill6117 this honestly feels like same ole dev attitude going back to when it was Papyrus. If anyone says the tire model or sound or anything else is inferior, blame the user's hardware, claim they aren't skilled enough to drive the car, etc. I don't accept this by other developers and iRacing doesn't get a pass either.
@@greghill6117 This sounds a bit odd, a lot of us use decent, expensive USB headphones and the audio still sub par compared to the competition, I loaded up AMS2 yesterday and iRacing just sounds so flat in comparison, not sure what's going on but decent audio is crucial and iRacing audio is the weakest of all in the eyes of many people. Would be great to see some big improvements with regards to sound.
The real footage you played is a camera that’s not inside a helmet. Are you remembering the sound from inside a helmet when you drove or the camera footage you watched later? I assumed iRacing created the in car sound as it would sound inside a helmet which would be muted, and as you say, smoother. Just a thought.
It’s a good thought, my camera was inside a helmet tho. It still sounds considerably different even if you factor in the fact it may or may not have been inside a helmet.
The thing with the sound is James, iRacing's audio engine isn't particularly modern and honestly is one of iRacing's weakest parts when it comes to immersion. It lacks aggression and rawness in my opinion.
I really love hearing a drivers opinion on simulated cars. I do hope you can give the Mclaren Evo a try with the new Automobilista 2 1.6 update. The physics have completely changed in the beta compared to the main game.
@@antonlammers1454 It's really nice to drive now. They've taken care of the general slideyness, it's planted but it still feels more alive than a lot of other sims. There's a substantial FFB upgrade as well. They've also made a lot of improvements to the AI and updated the shaders and UI. It's like a different sim at this point.
One thing sims don't capture is the violence , bumps and shakes - in real life, sometimes you can be shaken around it is literally hard to see. Maybe this can be tweaked with setup.
As a long time iRacing user, onboard audio has been terrible forever. I honestly think if iRacing released now, in its current state, a lot of people would take a look and realise that compared to other Sims: - Audio is rubbish - Graphics are dated - 60hz ffb is terrible - Tyre model is objectively broken - Driving feels numb across a huge amount of cars - Netcode and car collision physics are plain bad - Many other issues exist, such as race start procedures that haven't been looked at for years. People would then weigh up the above against the pricing model and say not a chance. iRacing are in the position they are because of the multiplayer infrastructure they created years ago, it has little to do with the actual driving feel which is very dull across a lot of cars.
Yeah it's weird. That onboard noise has the absolute base note to it correct, but then all of the guttural noises aren't there. And the turbo whines and whistles are over-pronounced too. I really do wish iRacing got onboard noise better especially with gearbox noise like a lot of people are saying here.
thanks for an honest and great video! crazy to think that the tire model, one of the most important parts of a sim racing game, in iracing is so flawed, and has been for so long.
The problem is not that it is not being worked on, the problem is in the approach. They treat it like an ever expanding PhD research model. It is the iracing way though. They just nerd out on everything they touch. It is very cool in a way and there need to be people doing that, but it has its downsides.
@@TheLoucM Yep, given that the original AC has a more realistic model, for just one example, the problem has got to be in iRacing's approach. Overall, this issue with David Kaemmer's sims goes all the way back to the 1990s, actually. That was back when Papyrus (which became iRacing) were still using the old-fashioned 'brush model', long before they decided to reinvent the whole thing - for no apparent gain that I could ever find.
But the Iracing fanboys still defend it. They say there`s nothing wrong with it. They come at you with the numbers of players and Pro drivers that are using Iracing etc...😄
I thought it was me that was wrong. I moved to pc a couple months ago and iRacing tyres feel like they got grip that just dissapears completely in certain scenarios
When cars in iracing weave in front of you on the outlap, it always looks wrong how they steer. It looks like they steer from the middle of the car instead with the front tyres. Take a look at that. I think they have a tyre and a center of gravity or roll center issue in their physics, that would also explain why you can't save spins.
audio is flat, like most of iracing. it's not as harmonic as the cars really sound. IRL and in other games you get all the individual tones come through more clearly. in iracing, it's like it's all flattened out and mixed together like coming from a cheap 1 speaker setup or recorded on a lousy mic. oddly, when I was using a setup with transducers, it seemingly helped bring the cars alive, at least a bit mor, as they work off of audio. thanks for the review
so tyre model is still a big problem, shame is the last 2021 update before overhauling them actually felt really good for a change, then they became balloons again.
I think the biggest problem with iRacing still lies with the tire model, you slide a tire once and you have zero grip for at least half a lap depending on the track. It's frustrating.
yea as much as I enjoy iracing it's a bit like.. I don't even know how to say it high hp cars feel like monsters almost while iRacing is a bit like a cute plush teddy
I've always loved the Macca. I'm more AMS2 than ACC these days (but I'll never leave her completely 😊) I'm thinking LMU might be worth a go when all the DLC is released. Hopefully by then it will be out of early access.
Agree to your honest review. In terms of tyre physics, race feeling and sound ACC, rfactor 2, LMU and Raceroom are better. Sorry to say that, wish it is not so, but your irl comparison and your opinion shows. Thank you for your effort
@@gu3steezy like they are trying to improve their tire model 5 years or more ago? (no flatspots or punctures) or how they sell the new LMHd without a proper battery system compared to LMU or how they still use 60hz FFB (and only like 360Hz on some brands) while ACC had 400Hz since 2 or 3 years ago.
iRacing alway said they hired high salary expert to develop something. But they never big update they tyre model. Even Rennsport between every update you can feels tyre physics is getting better and car handle improvement.
@@zhufenggood that’s because that’s Dave baby, his last 20+ years trying to make a real life sim tire. He’s so far down the rabbit hole there’s no turning back. They did say someone else is also working on tires but I’m pretty sure it’s working Dave’s way. Maybe the new game engine will be the magic 🤷♂️ We as sim racers , ones that have really raced, you don’t get that connection with iracing. The ir18 feels the most connected to the track. Others cars you’ll be good up to 95%, that’s not hustling a car, a race car
I feel slip in iRacing vs Real life is much not so forgiving. I just feel like in iRacing it is just wayy too easy to spin out. Both in rain and dry conditions.
People, listen me carefully. While it rain and if free active practice is run more than 15-20 min, than there is no grip line, it washed out. All this wet low grip line in simulators is full sh*t. I talked you as an experienced rain multiple podium competitor 😉. This is impossible to have so much rubbered dry line in real life in car racing. This is very rare situations. At all, yor line in wet conditions is always changed, because of your tires grip and grip on track is always changes. Sometimes you even faster in some corners if you're going through splashes 😬
A lot of GT3 GT World racer who also tested ACC said that they brake the same. So it must be truth to it. I think a few years back they did virtual races that gives them real championship points.
Comparing how much camera shake there is in your real onboard footage to what you see in iRacing doesn’t make sense because your brain compensates for some of that and smooths it out to a certain degree. What you see is a little less shaky than what the camera sees. It is certainly possible that iRacing is still too smooth in that regard. Just pointing out that what you see in the real car is a bit different than what your helmet cam sees.
It's because iRacing lacks reverb... They want to implement authentic dynamic reverb rather than just a static effect on top of the existing audio. It is coming.
I found the comparison of rain grip level useless.. It super clear that the level of rain is way higher in the sim. There were also way less puddles IRL. Other than that, nice insights.
Iracing and other sims feel.dampenend because we usualy turn of all camera shake and head movement because we cant feel the car with our butt in sims we need better references for our eyes.
Just a short note on the car: iRacing is scanning and processing the cars of the IMSA GTD/GTPRO, this can have an effect on sound and performance. Still James opinion is valid and needs to be heard.
I find ACC does to make the cars feel more "Alive" is the shaking of the camera gives that affect. but i find it quite annoying in VR when its like that
The shaking is way more realistic tho. You got to remember they are doing almost 2gs of cornering, massive downforce with bumps all over the track. They get vibrated like hell in those things.
@@SuperSilvi1990 not really. Idk if you’ve been in a race car but I have with solid engine mounts causing the cockpit to shake violently, your eyes act like a gyro helping reduce those affects very drastically, so what you see in ACC you wouldn’t in real life, the is also why I mentioned VR aspect as maybe on monitor it’s fine to drive ACC like that but in Vr it’s awful cause it’s artificial screen Shake effect
@Off_The_Rail I have been in an actual race car for a ride alongs, and solid motor mounts are not the same as a fully stripped and fully solid mounted race car. Race seats are almost directly mounted in the car, and they have very thin cushions. Most of the suspensions use hind joints instead of bushings, and they vibrate. It's one of the reasons I respect racing drivers a lot. Sometimes, they can not see.... they just send it.
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Thanks always enjoy hearing a real drivers honest opinion
Good comparisons!
The big problem is you can have 3 drivers all drive the same car and come back with different feedback, I have literally had that in the past when working with drivers to make the physics feel as realistic as possible.
@@PhantomMark you need drivers who ALSO are very into sim racing, otherwise feedback can be rather useless.
Welcome🙂
I found that the main thing that annoys me and doesn't sound great with the GT3's are the gearbox sounds. It just doesn't sound like the gearboxes in any of the GT3's imo. So many other sims have gotten that right and it really makes a difference to me in immersion.
I think they said they are updating the whole sound portion of their sim engine. But I 100% remember reading that they will update the sound of this car.
@@alpha007orgI love iRacing because they listen to us about what we want to be fixed
@@user00merc Yes, they listen very intensely. Too bad, they just listen. :)
@@alpha007org And the other sims are much better? Oh wait, they're all going out of business.
@@gu3steezy iracing fan boy found 🤣
I think iRacing doesn't even have the in-car noises to be honest. Like the rattling of the nets and hooks, things being rattled, etc. like ACC has. I wish we had it. It's very immersive.
Iracing should just pay Kunos a sum of money in order to use their sound. I agree in acc the cars especially the 720s sound so much better in and out of car.
@@1874rbyou think Kunos would agree?
@@fan2hd277 for just the sound maybe
Yeah honestly, after spending a lot of time in ACC, iRacing just sounds like any random video game. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing in other areas, but the sound isn't their strongest feature. I hope they will eventually remake their sound and add all of the little rattles and immersive sounds from inside the cockpit.
Yeah all those little things collectively make a big difference to the immersion
Jimmy had the same complaints about the onboard sound of the M4 GT4 as you do with the Macca, iRacing are letting themselves down by neglecting the audio ao badly its always been one of the weaker points of the sim.
They prefer to sell more content rahter than fixing issues. With the price the Service costs they should always aim for perfection and if they have issues they should fixed them first. That would mean quality of service.
@@fan2hd277 You say this right after rescanning and rereleasing a track that so many people would have paid for another time.
Interesting Jimmy had the same view on it, didn’t know that, cheers👍
Hey James! Thanks for taking the time to do this review for us! In terms of us that main iRacing, a new McLaren GT3 was WAY overdue since we never got the 650S or even the first iteration of the 720S.
In terms of why the top speed could be down compared to your IRL footage, I could very much be wrong on this, but it could be due to the fact that the GT3s in iRacing uses the IMSA GTD/GTD Pro specifications for the GT3s and not the Fanatec GT SRO specifications that you may find on ACC. That could very well be the reason why the top speed could be down compared to IRL.
Very valid point - iRacing will invariably scan US-based cars if they can. This is why their Lotus 49 has lower-profile tyres than Assetto Corsa's too.
That's a good point, always something to remember I guess with a lot of iRacing content given they are US based.
It is so confusing. Recently one of Russian racers Aleksandr Smolyar had his GT3 experience in Merc in Russian Endurance Championship and did a video talking about how his experience was comparing to the sims. Simwise he actually play a lot more of ACC like you do or at least did in the past and he said that ACC is a lot more off and iRacing does almost a perfect job or replicating real life experience but he mostly focused on a footwork to drive a car with deep trail braking. As one of the cons of iRacing he mentioned that tires are overheating too fast. He also didn't mentioned this twitchiness of the car on the braking. As someone who tried most of the sims myself (but enjoy iRacing mostly) and also would never have an experience to drive GT3 car i would say that what you described with all that twitchiness, aggressiveness of the car and like possibility to overdrive the car it reminded me of my rFactor experience. For me it feels like where iRacing doesn't have like tire play, ACC has no suspension. Same time rFactor has both but it feels like too much of it. At moments it feels like you're driving on soft tire with a sidewall size of a truck tire. So would be interesting to hear is it really so much play in the rear and in the tires as well as what do you think about iRacing and ACC footwork-wise. Cause braking and getting on throttle in these sims feels so much different.
It's great hear the perspective from someone who has actually driven the real version of the car. I hope IRacing listen and make the subtle changes you mentioned.
They can’t just fix the tire model so - no
From what I've seen iRacing are pretty good at listening to their community so fingers crossed
I was at this years 6H of São Paulo and I must say, from the outside, it doesnt sound that off
From the outside it does sound pretty good
the fact that Daniel Morad says the exact opposite for the Merc is interesting😅Morad always talks about acc being unrealistic because you can just "smash the brake", but as far as I understand, that is exactly what modern GT3 ABS allows you to do? Not being able to push the car and really drive it on the limit bc of a bad tyre model seems like a way bigger problem to me? personally never drove any of these cars irl but I always felt like acc feels more how I imagine these GT3s drive
I can tell you by driving a Cayenne Turbo that it has more grip than GT3‘s in Iracing 😅
@@ramoncreativeworks9192 Morad is getting paid by iRacing to praise it. He is an iRacing ambassador. Of course, he is not going to speak badly about iRacing.
Please, as someone said, if Iracing paying you to speak highly of them I will say they are best things since sliced bread
Paid ambassador argument falls a bit when he low key embarrassed the devs on his iRacing Porsche Cup critique video.
It's ok to have a different opinion, not everything is an ulterior motive.
He comes off as a shill tbh, other real life gt3 drivers say that's how you brake, abs is an advantage. In iracing it's a disadvantage so you have to avoid triggering abs. Which makes it super wierd for him to take that stance considering he races in real life too
Amazing stuff. Thanks for your impressions. It would be amazing if you can do the same for other simulations like LMU, RaceRoom or AMS2 too, when their respective versions of the 720S Evo get released. BTW. What do you mean by the breaking of ACC is not great? As I have heard, you are supposed to break with maximal force with ABS on in RL too. idk if it depends on the car though.
Agree on this! Would be very interesting to see you try this car on other sims like raceroom!
Daniel Morad has a great insight on this. Indepently on how hard you press the brake, the way you need to work the brakes to make the car dance around the corner is nothing like in real life. IRacing is way more accurate in that sense, the car reacts much more to the way you release the brakes.
@@LtKatzeGP Yepp just sucks that the tire model is shit.
You're welcome. I'll have a think about doing this on other games🙂
@@LtKatzeGP Yeah exactly that^^
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Same with the vette. Onboard sounds bad. Exterior sounds nice.
With your profile picture I thought iRacing were in my comments🤣
Thanks James for sharing your experience it is really appreciated and interesting to see the differences. I’ve raced with you a couple of times hope to see you again sometime 👍
The real car just sounded more angry and raw than this one. Too bad they couldn't replicate it.
iRacing softens their onboard audio way too much. They should give players more choice on the onboard sound mix.
I think they need more money to make better sounds.
@@HDRGamingHub doubt it.....
@@Sports-Made I know mate. I was just being sarcastic :D
iRacing has and will always look and sound like shit.
Hi James, enjoyed both iracing and lmu livestreams, keep up the good work! 👏
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in the iRacing 24hr Spa race Pouhon, gave me so much trouble in the rain. in the new Vette
0:54 That look says a lot about the sound.
I honestly don't understand why there are free AC mods that have so much better sound than iRacing. They inexplicably muffle the cockpit sound.
@@exci6198iracing has an audio option to do muffled cockpit sounds
@@exci6198 I think what they are trying to do is make it similar to what you would hear when wearing a helmet, and probably overdone it way too much
You need speakers and a subwoofer to have goosebumps from the sounds in iRacing. Headsets are no good. The sounds are all recorded directly from the cars, but the tone in a headset is just more dull. When I turn up my speakers to a level of the real life GT3, the sounds in itacing are the best! But then my neighbour is living next to a race track...
To be fair, almost all the really fast cool cars in iracing have the grossest sounding rev. While driving and shifting it sounds better, but revving sounds like ASS for ALL cars that have any speed.
I've raced GT4 in real life, and I have thousands of hours in iRacing and ACC. This video is a VERY good demonstration of the SEVERE weaknesses of iRacing that the devs refuse to fix.
iRacing does some things well, but the things it does horribly can ruin a race in a flash. Tires do not go from 100 to 0 instantly from a little wheel spin, the tire slip physics are maybe the worst of any racing sim or game, cars are inherently stable, iRacing you can spin out at 10 MPH lol
The cars also seem far more on rails than other sims, and the issue with this to me is that once the cars are unstable (wheel spin, lock ups, oversteer, understeer), the cars have an entirely different set of physics that make them unpredictable and too random to catch often times.
Racecars are meant to be driven on the limit, and they feel good on the limit. iRacing feels unpredictable and bad on the limit.
By far the worst thing about iRacing though is the fanboys on the forums and in discussions that can't accept any criticism.
Great honest reveiw mate ,made really well with the rea onboards and stuff ,cheers
Glad you enjoyed😎
Im looking fwd to the LMGT3 Mclaren in LMU
Will be better no doubt because of LMGT3 spec. With iRacing we are stuck with IMSA.
Yeah I’m very intrigued to see what the LMU GT3’s will be like
It's a great video, and I appreciate the transparency. I would love to know from your experience how those GT3 cars handle cornering and breaking to what I experience in iRacing. I sometimes feel the car grip does not respond even at low speeds, like 70kmps. I feel my sports car in real life turns more in some scenarios. The second question is breaking. If breaking hard in a gt3 car, with the presence of an ABS, the tires are not very exhausted, and when the speed is around 20kmps, the car still takes time to stop. I guess this is much on unrealistic issues from latency to limitations so that the simulator stays within limits. In my normal sports car, at 20kmps, if I press hard to break, the car stops near instantly.
I appreciate iRacing because it is so complex to simulate the physics while keeping the cars within their limits. For example, in real life, the car's top speed, acceleration, handling, and all road conditions should be maintained. This is why, while maintaining those limitations, something unrealistic happens.
The future of simulation will be a brand new engine completely based ON AI-no need to do any math.
Its Amazing you get to have this type of comparison. Cheers to you mate!
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Have you done something similar with ACC? Cheers for the video.
I haven’t no, I only did this one as it was new content in the recent iRacing update
@@Jaaames you should consider it! A lot of people value your opinion!
Yes we are wainting for a video like this on ACC very badly
3:59 listen to the noise of it - sounds almost the same XD
can't wait the LMU version
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Gotta agree. I do love how alive the tyre feels in LMU and the braking at least in the gte makes alot of sense. Looking forward to comparing acc and LMU gt3s.
Same!
I deal McLaren every day at work as we’re a big storage company for them and we deal with the motorsport side too :) and bits for garage 59 :) awesome content by the way :)
Wow, small world!
Yo James great video. I was wondering if there's anyway i could get a hold of your Simucube software FFB settings? Having driven real GT3's, i would assume you have some decent settings..
iRacing need to get Race Sim Studios to sort out the audio. The RSS Assetto Corsa GT3 mods sound amazing and I prefer them to ACC. I can’t comment on realism but I find iRacing more natural than ACC. AC probably beats them both but I spend almost all my sim racing time in iRacing. If iRacing could address the sound and tyre issues they’d have the complete package.
I might be doing something cool with RSS in the near future👀
@@Jaaames Nice! Their attention to detail is amazing. I have all their mods. Although I did spend a good hour trying to find a mystery rattle in my headset only to realise they had modelled the gear stick shake on the 1970 F1 car. I should have read the manual. 🤣🤣🤣
@@Jaaamesmaybe like development of 720s for ac👀👀👀
I maybe a bit off topic but how do you get +-180 fps on iracing ?
Your graphic settings look very nice, what kind of magic settings or hardware do you have ?
Thanks 😊
Its always very interesting seeing this perspective. Gotta give it to these companies making the sim racing games. They may not be absolutely perfect but it does give it a close feeling!
As sim racers in 2024, we are pretty spoilt!
The sound is missing a bit of that anti-lag sound between some shifts. I also think a bit of EQ tweaking could bring out the barky, edgy sound of the real motor. They honestly might have had to mellow it out for ear fatigue reasons though.
Ref the audio, perhaps what we hear on the video of your IRL driving is being distorted by the microphone. It is peaking above 0.0db which compresses the wav file. This makes the sound more “gritty”.
Both yours and broadbents/steves cars being added in the same patch is pretty insane
Yeah what are the odds😅
It may sounds "wrong" in-car, cause you you need to change some settings. Your real in-car video has a sort-of in-helmet muffled sound. You can actually set this ingame in Sound, then "Ear Protection / Helmet Effect" and the microphone in-car also sound a bit "overwhelmed" by the sound. A lot of compression. You can also adjust that in Sound, right underneath the other one. Don't know if that latter one is replay only. Maybe. This might help.
Didn't they publicly say that the sound will get updated in the future, because they either had some problems, or they are updating their sound engine?
they said that they weee gonna upgrade the sound engine in the future
I can also tomorrow is gonna rain? Maybe not…
@@user00merc Yep . In 2040
I don't like the way iRacing sound designers do transmission sounds, it's like they all sound the same
They all sound the same. Is crazy when you think how much money they have from renting all the tracks and cars in Iracing + subscriptions from everyone.
Nailed it
Yeah was thinking that, they do all sound the same
Awesome review James. Was hoping you'd do one! Try change the sound to XAudio2 instead of Default. It adds more depth to the sound. I recently changed and was blown away by all the extra bits and depths of the sound.
Where do you find that setting? I checked the sound tab ingame but couldn't find it. Curious to give your tip a try. Thanks in advance!
@@Seraver In the Sounds section of Options menu...look top left. Change the sound device out from Default to XAudio2. You will see a Default and XAudio2 for each of your sounds devices (speakers/headphones etc). Warning..its quite loud at first...you will need to adjust compared to the default where everything was basically full
@@Seraver Nevermind...it seems the option has disappearedwhich explains why my sound has been sounding so soft the past week. Very confused
@@TheVRRacer ah bummer! Thanks though for looking into it for me!
I’ll give that a go! Thanks for the info
Trail braking is excellent. Do you prefer a stiff or softer brake. I’m having trouble deciding
Softer is better mate. You can be more consistent because your leg doesn`t get tired.
I have my HE Ultimate+ at 26kg with the softest elastomers.
@@HDRGamingHub yeah I have mine set pretty stiff
@@TheGreyBeardGamer Which pedals do you have?
@@HDRGamingHub Fanatec V3 with the brake performance kit and damper on the throttle
I find that having a motion rig helps with seat of pants feedback.
you hear top much mid and top end in the engine don't hear enough of the lower grunt and road sounds. It's like i racing took the mid equalizer and cranked it. could just be me
Finally! An experienced driver's honest opinion... 🙌
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The actual car sounds way more raw, gutteral and has way better gearbox noise. But yea, that generally so with iRacing sounds.
they guy going off track 0:12 I know that feel bro!
this is the guy that overtook Verstappen in Sebring on equal machinery
My guy knows💪
@@jianh1989 wait what?
@@RandyMagruder /shorts/Lx4-b6IwGoU
im into f1 but i have already seen your name before
I find the sounds in iRacing to be anemic. When you hear these cars in person, or at least on the TV, they sound powerful. It's not just iRacing though, many 'car games' struggle to get engine sounds right. It must be really hard to convert something so visceral into a digital sound and keep the authenticity. I think this car in particular could have been a bit louder... a bit more bark to it.
A bit more bark would have been good, indeed.
As a sound designer, I think the onboard sound in iRacing sounding "off" comes down to the mixing. iRacing has always sounded a bit tinny and sterile to me, but I feel like the source material itself is quite accurate. Nailing the sounds in a racing sim is kind of a dark art, at the end of the day it comes down to preference and what "feels" right. Compared to iRacing, ACC's onboard sounds have more presence in the mid-to-low frequencies and seem to even have a bit of distortion added, making it sound more aggressive and weightier.
If you are using the chip-set that is onboard your mother board you might get a "massive" boast in quality and aggressiveness from sounds in the game by getting a dedicated sound card. I just had this experience with the sound being "watered out" after my new PC build but by installing a dedicated PCIe Sound card it was like having a whole NEW game!
Hmmm never heard that before, interesting.
@@Jaaames It's true, most of the complainers of the sound in iRacing haven't got the systems or headroom to reproduce the fidelity we offer in XAudio. The ASUS PCI-E soundcards are really nice quality for the audiophile. A good surround speaker system with a sub and a buttkicker is an absolute treat. Thanks for your honest opinions. There is an update to the onboard to give it a little more girth without compromising the recording we captured with the Pfaff team.
@@greghill6117 I have to call you out on this. If the problem is the user's hardware, why does RaceRoom sound SO incredible compared to iRacing on the same hardware? Ditto for a few of the other sims. Is it because iRacing is only a actually TRYING with XAudio and is just phoning it in on DirectSound?
@@greghill6117 this honestly feels like same ole dev attitude going back to when it was Papyrus. If anyone says the tire model or sound or anything else is inferior, blame the user's hardware, claim they aren't skilled enough to drive the car, etc. I don't accept this by other developers and iRacing doesn't get a pass either.
@@greghill6117 This sounds a bit odd, a lot of us use decent, expensive USB headphones and the audio still sub par compared to the competition, I loaded up AMS2 yesterday and iRacing just sounds so flat in comparison, not sure what's going on but decent audio is crucial and iRacing audio is the weakest of all in the eyes of many people. Would be great to see some big improvements with regards to sound.
I feel like the one game that really gave that violent sound was Driveclub
Let's see if LMU brings some relevant GT3s...
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Yeah sound shiud be improved on iR alot! They should leave option to choose exterior sound when you are inside car, why not!!;)
The real footage you played is a camera that’s not inside a helmet.
Are you remembering the sound from inside a helmet when you drove or the camera footage you watched later?
I assumed iRacing created the in car sound as it would sound inside a helmet which would be muted, and as you say, smoother.
Just a thought.
It’s a good thought, my camera was inside a helmet tho. It still sounds considerably different even if you factor in the fact it may or may not have been inside a helmet.
First time I took it out I thought the same thing, wanted the ACC soundtrack lol
The thing with the sound is James, iRacing's audio engine isn't particularly modern and honestly is one of iRacing's weakest parts when it comes to immersion. It lacks aggression and rawness in my opinion.
What Overlay is James using?
I really love hearing a drivers opinion on simulated cars. I do hope you can give the Mclaren Evo a try with the new Automobilista 2 1.6 update. The physics have completely changed in the beta compared to the main game.
So you tried the 1.6 in AMS2 ?
Wish I could get on that beta. I am itching to feel 1.6
@@HDRGamingHub Yes. I'm a paddock club member so I have access to beta builds. I've been testing it for months.
@@antonlammers1454 It's really nice to drive now. They've taken care of the general slideyness, it's planted but it still feels more alive than a lot of other sims. There's a substantial FFB upgrade as well. They've also made a lot of improvements to the AI and updated the shaders and UI. It's like a different sim at this point.
Interested to give this a go
One thing sims don't capture is the violence , bumps and shakes - in real life, sometimes you can be shaken around it is literally hard to see. Maybe this can be tweaked with setup.
So with TC 1 & 2, are these just 2 preset set points or 2 different ways TC is getting applied ?
As a long time iRacing user, onboard audio has been terrible forever.
I honestly think if iRacing released now, in its current state, a lot of people would take a look and realise that compared to other Sims:
- Audio is rubbish
- Graphics are dated
- 60hz ffb is terrible
- Tyre model is objectively broken
- Driving feels numb across a huge amount of cars
- Netcode and car collision physics are plain bad
- Many other issues exist, such as race start procedures that haven't been looked at for years.
People would then weigh up the above against the pricing model and say not a chance.
iRacing are in the position they are because of the multiplayer infrastructure they created years ago, it has little to do with the actual driving feel which is very dull across a lot of cars.
Couldn’t have said it better
Agreed. They have a malicious business model. They fix you up with content you just rent and a monthly/yearly fee. 😅
Well said
So very true
the sound is somewhat similar but i think they need to lower the gearbox sound a little bit and make the incar downshifts a bit louder
Would love to see you do a video in VR doing iRacing. Hopefully you can get your hands on a Bigscreen Beyond VR headset, and do both at the same time!
I need a new VR headset, I still use my original Oculus Rift from 2018😂
@Jaaames lol, yea time to upgrade, that thing is just not gonna cut it anymore 😅
What overlays are you using?
Racelab
@@Jaaames Thanks :)
Yeah it's weird. That onboard noise has the absolute base note to it correct, but then all of the guttural noises aren't there. And the turbo whines and whistles are over-pronounced too. I really do wish iRacing got onboard noise better especially with gearbox noise like a lot of people are saying here.
They won't get anything better if people keep paying for iRacing despite its numerous flaws.
Sound is similar but its a bit weak and clean vs the onboard you showed, kinda like they took the sound which the engine on a dyno
“That’s Raidillon actually”
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thanks for an honest and great video! crazy to think that the tire model, one of the most important parts of a sim racing game, in iracing is so flawed, and has been for so long.
The problem is not that it is not being worked on, the problem is in the approach. They treat it like an ever expanding PhD research model. It is the iracing way though. They just nerd out on everything they touch. It is very cool in a way and there need to be people doing that, but it has its downsides.
@@TheLoucM
Yep, given that the original AC has a more realistic model, for just one example, the problem has got to be in iRacing's approach. Overall, this issue with David Kaemmer's sims goes all the way back to the 1990s, actually. That was back when Papyrus (which became iRacing) were still using the old-fashioned 'brush model', long before they decided to reinvent the whole thing - for no apparent gain that I could ever find.
But the Iracing fanboys still defend it. They say there`s nothing wrong with it. They come at you with the numbers of players and Pro drivers that are using Iracing etc...😄
I thought it was me that was wrong. I moved to pc a couple months ago and iRacing tyres feel like they got grip that just dissapears completely in certain scenarios
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Your IRL onboard sounds like the McLaren GT3 from ACC
When cars in iracing weave in front of you on the outlap, it always looks wrong how they steer. It looks like they steer from the middle of the car instead with the front tyres. Take a look at that.
I think they have a tyre and a center of gravity or roll center issue in their physics, that would also explain why you can't save spins.
Never noticed that before but I do see what you mean, now I can’t unsee it😂
audio is flat, like most of iracing. it's not as harmonic as the cars really sound. IRL and in other games you get all the individual tones come through more clearly. in iracing, it's like it's all flattened out and mixed together like coming from a cheap 1 speaker setup or recorded on a lousy mic. oddly, when I was using a setup with transducers, it seemingly helped bring the cars alive, at least a bit mor, as they work off of audio. thanks for the review
Welcome!
so tyre model is still a big problem, shame is the last 2021 update before overhauling them actually felt really good for a change, then they became balloons again.
I think the biggest problem with iRacing still lies with the tire model, you slide a tire once and you have zero grip for at least half a lap depending on the track. It's frustrating.
Not like that anymore
looks like ACC and RF2 got a better real sound
do you try to helmet sound onboard?
the only sim that feels alive with high FFB is RF2 , no doubt about it
yea as much as I enjoy iracing it's a bit like.. I don't even know how to say it
high hp cars feel like monsters almost while iRacing is a bit like a cute plush teddy
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Do you feel the car feels more real on iracing vs acc?
ACC
I've always loved the Macca. I'm more AMS2 than ACC these days (but I'll never leave her completely 😊) I'm thinking LMU might be worth a go when all the DLC is released. Hopefully by then it will be out of early access.
Agree to your honest review. In terms of tyre physics, race feeling and sound ACC, rfactor 2, LMU and Raceroom are better. Sorry to say that, wish it is not so, but your irl comparison and your opinion shows. Thank you for your effort
No sorry, iR is pretty bad, not only in terms of tires. What you said is true
I think this is becoming a more and more popular opinion. The only real thing iRacing has for them now is their multiplayer base.
@@smothdude Keep trying to convince yourself that dude. Every other sim is busy going out of business while iRacing continues to improve and evolve
@@gu3steezy like they are trying to improve their tire model 5 years or more ago? (no flatspots or punctures) or how they sell the new LMHd without a proper battery system compared to LMU or how they still use 60hz FFB (and only like 360Hz on some brands) while ACC had 400Hz since 2 or 3 years ago.
@@gu3steezy it should evolve 😂💯 Haven't you watched the whole clip? Problems with his English perhaps?
iRacing alway said they hired high salary expert to develop something. But they never big update they tyre model. Even Rennsport between every update you can feels tyre physics is getting better and car handle improvement.
@@zhufenggood that’s because that’s Dave baby, his last 20+ years trying to make a real life sim tire. He’s so far down the rabbit hole there’s no turning back. They did say someone else is also working on tires but I’m pretty sure it’s working Dave’s way. Maybe the new game engine will be the magic 🤷♂️ We as sim racers , ones that have really raced, you don’t get that connection with iracing. The ir18 feels the most connected to the track. Others cars you’ll be good up to 95%, that’s not hustling a car, a race car
I think you'd best stick to ACC if you want as close to the real GT3 EVO experience. The car just seems super dull in iRacing.
Yeah I agree
if we were to combine the good elements form both iracing and acc i think we would get an insane game
I just bought the C100 Mk2 ;-)
So what is still wrong with tire model?
Can you compare this to the other sims as well
I feel slip in iRacing vs Real life is much not so forgiving. I just feel like in iRacing it is just wayy too easy to spin out. Both in rain and dry conditions.
People, listen me carefully. While it rain and if free active practice is run more than 15-20 min, than there is no grip line, it washed out. All this wet low grip line in simulators is full sh*t. I talked you as an experienced rain multiple podium competitor 😉. This is impossible to have so much rubbered dry line in real life in car racing. This is very rare situations. At all, yor line in wet conditions is always changed, because of your tires grip and grip on track is always changes. Sometimes you even faster in some corners if you're going through splashes 😬
I wonder if you added a muffled sound to imitate having a helmet on if it would sound more realistic.
Bro with one hand is quicker then me with two hands and driving assists enabled
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@Jaaames am I really that funny
It does sound more guttural in real life.. but let's be honest, I'm not gonna drive in IRL and iRacing has the best overall package ;)
Fair point, overall as a sim it might be the strongest, when you take everything into account.
So do you or do you not smash brakes to 100% in a real life gt3? Some real life drivers say they do
A lot of GT3 GT World racer who also tested ACC said that they brake the same. So it must be truth to it. I think a few years back they did virtual races that gives them real championship points.
I think I’ll make a video on this soon
Your feedback is so welcomed especially from the sim community🤘🏻🏁
Awesome feedback!
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Comparing how much camera shake there is in your real onboard footage to what you see in iRacing doesn’t make sense because your brain compensates for some of that and smooths it out to a certain degree. What you see is a little less shaky than what the camera sees. It is certainly possible that iRacing is still too smooth in that regard. Just pointing out that what you see in the real car is a bit different than what your helmet cam sees.
It's because iRacing lacks reverb... They want to implement authentic dynamic reverb rather than just a static effect on top of the existing audio. It is coming.
I found the comparison of rain grip level useless.. It super clear that the level of rain is way higher in the sim. There were also way less puddles IRL. Other than that, nice insights.
Was always going to be tricky to make it completely fair as there are so many variables, thank you though! Glad you enjoyed.
Game sound doesn't have as much wind sound and its not as throaty/raw.
Iracing and other sims feel.dampenend because we usualy turn of all camera shake and head movement because we cant feel the car with our butt in sims we need better references for our eyes.
Good point, I always turn off camera shake & head movement to make it easier to see things & be consistent with my vision
iRacing patched the in-car sound issues today.
McLaren 720S GT3 EVO
Improved in-car engine sounds and added new transmission and drivetrain sounds.
Just a short note on the car: iRacing is scanning and processing the cars of the IMSA GTD/GTPRO, this can have an effect on sound and performance.
Still James opinion is valid and needs to be heard.
Good point☝️
I find ACC does to make the cars feel more "Alive" is the shaking of the camera gives that affect. but i find it quite annoying in VR when its like that
The shaking is way more realistic tho. You got to remember they are doing almost 2gs of cornering, massive downforce with bumps all over the track. They get vibrated like hell in those things.
@@SuperSilvi1990 not really. Idk if you’ve been in a race car but I have with solid engine mounts causing the cockpit to shake violently, your eyes act like a gyro helping reduce those affects very drastically, so what you see in ACC you wouldn’t in real life, the is also why I mentioned VR aspect as maybe on monitor it’s fine to drive ACC like that but in Vr it’s awful cause it’s artificial screen Shake effect
@@SuperSilvi1990 btw I’m not saying the car shaking isn’t realistic it is, it’s more just your eyes have a way of reducing that while in the car
I always turn off camera shaking even though it adds immersion because it’s annoying as fuck and surely makes you slower
@Off_The_Rail I have been in an actual race car for a ride alongs, and solid motor mounts are not the same as a fully stripped and fully solid mounted race car. Race seats are almost directly mounted in the car, and they have very thin cushions. Most of the suspensions use hind joints instead of bushings, and they vibrate.
It's one of the reasons I respect racing drivers a lot. Sometimes, they can not see.... they just send it.