I greatly enjoyed the concept, and the things you added to the variant civ. However, the most overlooked decision you made was about the features you removed. Part of my problem with the variant civs is that they keep most of the features of the base civ, leading to all the comments about "better china" and "better France". Zhu Xi and China barely feel different as opponents. Removing network of castles is huge, and leaves ample design space for other features. It also allows for both base English and its variant to be relevant without much overlap. Overall a great idea!.
I love all these videos of civ concepts and have ideas I come up with also! This is a great idea for an English variant, especially with implementing the Templar units and changing up English play style…. ❤🎉😊 with some tweaking it would be great!!
Great ideas as always. I think a cool addition to further incentivize map presence for this faction would be for them to be able to build "shrines" on top of sacred sites but also on top of relics. This means relics are static and aren't able to be brought to a monastery but instead you essentially have to build monasteries atop the holy relics and sites on the map. I think this aligns nicely with the theme of the faction too. Would definetly create some interesting gameplay since much of the action would be out on the map not only for the faction but those facing it to deny sacred sites and relics even more so. Another thought I had was why not swap out the white tower and berkshire castle landmarks for the castles built in the holy land historically by the crusaders. Taken even further, if you made the castle age age-up a choice between three castles, each representing one of the orders you mentioned, that would be an interesting change that would differentiate the civ from the Byzantines mercenary contract concept that the order concept here is borrowing from.
I think.... Rus variant : Siberian, Cossack? (Raiding and cavalry) or Peter the Great (Defensive building and gunpower) Mongol variant : Golden Horde or Timuris (heavy Lancer and heavy siege weapons)
As for some variant of Mongols civ I dont know what would be some specific types but I imagine Tatars, Huns or Cumans would fit just nice. For the Rus that a problem and I cant imagine what kind of civ variant could exist But of I could think about another big civ that AoE4 could add is the power that was bettwen HRE and Rus. Im talking about Polish-Lithuanian Commomwealth. In that time this place was very multicultural having many people from other countries living there like for example Jews or desandants of Tatars. Because their land was starting from Baltic sea and ending at Black sea trade was booming and historians says that maybe even 90% of trade was grain, livestock and furs. PLC also got real strong power. After all they are the ones who defeated Teutonic Order and also Ottomans during Siege of Vienna. Im not sure what kind of bonuses, landmarks and unique units could have (I would have to think more) but I just see great posibility.
That's a great idea too! I think King Arthur might be a bit too mythical for AOE4 though. And the historical King Arthur is a tiny bit outside the scope of this time period. But if the devs are willing to take historical liberties I can see that working too!
Awesome concept even though I prefer William the Conqueror. I wonder if the remaining civs without variants do get their own. If they do it should be: Malians -> Mansa Musa Ottomans -> Seljuks Mongols -> Golden Horde Delhi -> Ghurids or Mughals Rus -> Rurikids Byzantines -> Palaiologos Dynasty Japanese -> Sengoku Warlords
Malians -> Songhay Ottomans -> Barbary States (navy focus) Mongols -> yeah, Kipchaks in general (Kazakhs hence Cossacks, Tatars, Crimean Tatars, Cumans); no need to restrict to only the Golden Horde and forget about its successor hordes before Imperial Russia's Manifest Destiny Rus' -> Novgorod Republic, and no Romanov Dynasty yet Japanese -> Ryukyuans (inventors of TMNT Mikey's nunchaku and karate) or Ikko-ikki (more zealots and warrior-clerics); no need to replicate Shogun 2
I think we need German and Spain old civs also :3 and I would totally love american Civs if posible too :3 the game has a lot of potencial and they have to use it if they want AoE4 to be in the top RTS games this year.
I grew up on AOE 2 and Age of Mythology with my brother, Turin brought AOE 4 into my view, and Sultan's Ascent got me to buy it for myself and my cousin. I am so happy to play the Byzantines and Japanese. Im hoping there was a large enough influx to encourage for DLC
One thing that annoyed me about the Ayyubids is that they never used assassins like in history Salah Aldin survived a false assassination by the hassassins and after some skirmishes with them he allied with them against the crusaderes like it would be cool yo have an assassin like the ninja but targets units and villagers instead of buildings
I think you must change the age up landmarks to match historicity and geography. All these landmarks are home landmarks and does not really reflect the crusade theme. And you you can then really have unique stuff from the landmarks. (Anyways i find the variant civ thing quite gimmicky from the beginning, it is always better to have new civs with new architecture or just improving/overhauling current civs like Delhi)
For a game that is mostly played by history buffs, Richard the Lionheart popularity will always be expected, if they do add a scottish civ as well as a campaign, a lot of people will expect Robert the Bruce.
@@ChillyEmpire Or they can add a timeline campaign where you take control of William Wallace at first, but after his execution, you will play as Robert the Bruce, that would also be great.
You know is not bad to have a hero faction but it would still be cool if it was just the Plantagenet dynasty or something they could be just a better more aggressive version of the English with better knights and retinue longbowmen with buffs for the fleet for the many wars in the French canal and invasions to France
Grandmaster seem to be obvious targets unless they drop banners like the Japanese version. Also no real reason to build stables if you go for Templar or Hospitaller. Perhaps roll barrack, stable, and chapter into a single building ? Fanaticism should be in the monastery, gives player at least one reason to build it :)
@@ChillyEmpire ngl, I tought it was a ligma joke, but I google it and who would had guessed! There's a grapich, web-based editor called Figma. Thanks for answering.
Adding mediterreanian civs like spain, italy would be cool. Theres lot of room for variant civs to pop up from these 2
its honestly wild spain wasnt in the base game for either aoe 2 or 4, like cmon whats going on here lol
if we keep getting 2 main and 4 variant factions like we just did we might someday see spain. Idk about italy though.
This is an English faction I'd be excited to learn. Abbey of Kings now is the most goated landmark for r/wallstreetbets, lol
english are worst imo never lost to them or maybe dheli couter them
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Will not lie, I liked the idea of adding Armenia and Georgia to the aoe2 (obviously), but sadly there is so little chance to see them in aoe4(
I greatly enjoyed the concept, and the things you added to the variant civ. However, the most overlooked decision you made was about the features you removed. Part of my problem with the variant civs is that they keep most of the features of the base civ, leading to all the comments about "better china" and "better France". Zhu Xi and China barely feel different as opponents. Removing network of castles is huge, and leaves ample design space for other features. It also allows for both base English and its variant to be relevant without much overlap. Overall a great idea!.
Thank you. Yeah I think removing the Network of Castles is a big way to differentiate this faction from the base version of English!
I love all these videos of civ concepts and have ideas I come up with also! This is a great idea for an English variant, especially with implementing the Templar units and changing up English play style…. ❤🎉😊 with some tweaking it would be great!!
I hope the devs are smart and employ you!!! 😂😊❤
Great ideas as always. I think a cool addition to further incentivize map presence for this faction would be for them to be able to build "shrines" on top of sacred sites but also on top of relics. This means relics are static and aren't able to be brought to a monastery but instead you essentially have to build monasteries atop the holy relics and sites on the map. I think this aligns nicely with the theme of the faction too. Would definetly create some interesting gameplay since much of the action would be out on the map not only for the faction but those facing it to deny sacred sites and relics even more so.
Another thought I had was why not swap out the white tower and berkshire castle landmarks for the castles built in the holy land historically by the crusaders. Taken even further, if you made the castle age age-up a choice between three castles, each representing one of the orders you mentioned, that would be an interesting change that would differentiate the civ from the Byzantines mercenary contract concept that the order concept here is borrowing from.
great concept dude!
Nice concept as always. I would like see concept of bohemians/czechia. Nice job keep going
I am a simple man. I see Crusaders.
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Damn, this is so good! I wish the devs watch this video.
i hope the devs see this
I think....
Rus variant : Siberian, Cossack? (Raiding and cavalry) or Peter the Great (Defensive building and gunpower)
Mongol variant : Golden Horde or Timuris (heavy Lancer and heavy siege weapons)
Variant of Rus - Novgorod Republic - trade and strong infantry - novgorod militia and varangian mercenaries
Emperor Peter the Great / Tsar Pyotr Veliky (1672-1725 CE) of the Romanov dynasty would be more relevant in AoE3, not 2 or 4
As for some variant of Mongols civ I dont know what would be some specific types but I imagine Tatars, Huns or Cumans would fit just nice.
For the Rus that a problem and I cant imagine what kind of civ variant could exist
But of I could think about another big civ that AoE4 could add is the power that was bettwen HRE and Rus. Im talking about Polish-Lithuanian Commomwealth. In that time this place was very multicultural having many people from other countries living there like for example Jews or desandants of Tatars. Because their land was starting from Baltic sea and ending at Black sea trade was booming and historians says that maybe even 90% of trade was grain, livestock and furs. PLC also got real strong power. After all they are the ones who defeated Teutonic Order and also Ottomans during Siege of Vienna. Im not sure what kind of bonuses, landmarks and unique units could have (I would have to think more) but I just see great posibility.
Best infantry compost civ must
i think it would be fun if english variant is kinda like knight of round table with king arthur leading it, anyways this vid is cool.
That's a great idea too!
I think King Arthur might be a bit too mythical for AOE4 though. And the historical King Arthur is a tiny bit outside the scope of this time period. But if the devs are willing to take historical liberties I can see that working too!
Awesome concept even though I prefer William the Conqueror. I wonder if the remaining civs without variants do get their own. If they do it should be:
Malians -> Mansa Musa
Ottomans -> Seljuks
Mongols -> Golden Horde
Delhi -> Ghurids or Mughals
Rus -> Rurikids
Byzantines -> Palaiologos Dynasty
Japanese -> Sengoku Warlords
There's some (scant) evidence that Mali discovered the new world long before anyone else. What if they had a "what if?" type of variant? Hoho...
Malians -> Songhay
Ottomans -> Barbary States (navy focus)
Mongols -> yeah, Kipchaks in general (Kazakhs hence Cossacks, Tatars, Crimean Tatars, Cumans); no need to restrict to only the Golden Horde and forget about its successor hordes before Imperial Russia's Manifest Destiny
Rus' -> Novgorod Republic, and no Romanov Dynasty yet
Japanese -> Ryukyuans (inventors of TMNT Mikey's nunchaku and karate) or Ikko-ikki (more zealots and warrior-clerics); no need to replicate Shogun 2
I think we need German and Spain old civs also :3 and I would totally love american Civs if posible too :3 the game has a lot of potencial and they have to use it if they want AoE4 to be in the top RTS games this year.
Spain with conquistador? )))
The Holy Roman Empire(HRE) is German
@@chacha-ro6yo yo me referia mas a la epoca feudal y de castillos pero si, porque no en imperial :3
@@WhynamehimHRE was multi-ethnic for it also had Dutch, some Danish, some Northern Italian and West Slavic peoples at its greatest territorial zenith
I grew up on AOE 2 and Age of Mythology with my brother, Turin brought AOE 4 into my view, and Sultan's Ascent got me to buy it for myself and my cousin. I am so happy to play the Byzantines and Japanese. Im hoping there was a large enough influx to encourage for DLC
Variant civs are cool but all I want is Polish Kingdom or Polish-Lithuania commonwelth based around hussars
probably would have more of a focus on knights and less longbowmen
It would be cool to have their units wear the three golden lion on a red field instead of the English Red Cross
A william wallace variant centered around pikes instead of archers would be nice
Scotland deserves its own independent civ! How sad would it be for William Wallace, the paragon of FREEDOM to be tied up into an ENGLISH variant?
One thing that annoyed me about the Ayyubids is that they never used assassins like in history Salah Aldin survived a false assassination by the hassassins and after some skirmishes with them he allied with them against the crusaderes like it would be cool yo have an assassin like the ninja but targets units and villagers instead of buildings
Yea! We should've gotten assassin units with the Ayyubids!
I think you must change the age up landmarks to match historicity and geography. All these landmarks are home landmarks and does not really reflect the crusade theme.
And you you can then really have unique stuff from the landmarks.
(Anyways i find the variant civ thing quite gimmicky from the beginning, it is always better to have new civs with new architecture or just improving/overhauling current civs like Delhi)
i literally just thought of this last night.... 😅
anglo-saxon into lionheart would've been cool. but really not incompatible timeline-wise I suppose
For a game that is mostly played by history buffs, Richard the Lionheart popularity will always be expected, if they do add a scottish civ as well as a campaign, a lot of people will expect Robert the Bruce.
William Wallace where?
@@ChillyEmpire William Wallace would be great too but when it comes to popularity I think people would choose robert the bruce
@@ChillyEmpire Or they can add a timeline campaign where you take control of William Wallace at first, but after his execution, you will play as Robert the Bruce, that would also be great.
I want see your concept on bohemians or polish-lithienian union
the scottish or welsh should get their own faction at some point ...
What about King author and Knights of the round table
I hoped they would bring jerusalem as a civ and do crusader variants like teutons and so on
You know is not bad to have a hero faction but it would still be cool if it was just the Plantagenet dynasty or something they could be just a better more aggressive version of the English with better knights and retinue longbowmen with buffs for the fleet for the many wars in the French canal and invasions to France
English but better💀
Could u make video about dzaungar's are being mongols variants it will be good for ur mongol subscribers
teutonic from germany
Following the Byzantine’s idea of mercenaries they could have them too since they defeated and occupied wales and Scotland
Someone please mention Microsoft gaming department here. It looks awesome!
btw if I am not mistaken in aoe3 main character was knight of Saint John, maybe that also could be a part of the fraction
Grandmaster seem to be obvious targets unless they drop banners like the Japanese version.
Also no real reason to build stables if you go for Templar or Hospitaller. Perhaps roll barrack, stable, and chapter into a single building ?
Fanaticism should be in the monastery, gives player at least one reason to build it :)
Great ideas
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Cool concept, but dont make the hero have magic abilities,instead he can buff the moral and combat stats like a real comander in the batlefield
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How did you make that tooltip? It looks lit
What tooltip? I made the graphic in Figma.
@@ChillyEmpire ngl, I tought it was a ligma joke, but I google it and who would had guessed! There's a grapich, web-based editor called Figma. Thanks for answering.
Issue with Richard is he did not speak english and was pretty much never in England other than his coronation
Yeah...but he's still well-regarded as a distinctly English king. Maybe he can have French voice lines in-game.
chilly 90 percent sure if 2 dehli teamates capture 2 diff sacreds they will still get the gold frm botu of them, im pretty sure
Fr?? I gotta test this….
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