i started to play drums a while ago and i had never heard of Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa or any other drummers like the two,now i love looking at their vids and following them,but most drummers nowadays look up to Slipknot's drummer,or Travis McCoy{or whatever his name is}and they have no idea where any of those drummers learned from,these type of drummers!!well i say:GET A LIFE,NO DRUMMER TODAY IS BETTER THAN ANY OF THESE LEGENDS!!!!
This arrangement was always one of the best charts from the 1940s by any band. I've always enjoyed the two sudden uses of silence towards the end. You wouldn't think they'd be, but they're very effective.
@ParadiddleMcFlam : I have MANY recordings by Chick Webb and I have heard that he was "supposedly" an influence on Krupa, however, I don't hear it in Krupa's playing. Webb was ok, but Krupa was absolutely fabulous and all credit should go him and not to some "supposed" outside influence . I''m a sax player and though I have listened to many other sax players in my life time, my talent is all my own and all credit should go to me. Krupa was great , because of Krupa & nobody else.
Chick Webb who was one of Krupa's influences had his own band in the 1930's and he was technically and visually a powerhouse (although I have never seen film of him, if there is any). There were other guys who were featured as show drummers--I think Lionel Hampton was featured with louis Armstrong as a drummer. I don't know the dates on these. I think that Baby Dodds was also a focal point in the New Orleans style bands he backed in the 1920's (he was another of Krupa's influences).
@MrRJDB1969 I would never suggest that Krupa didn't do his own thing. He is my favorite drummer. However, he himself said that Chick was his biggest influence. This does not imply that Krupa was a mere imitator. My orignal comment was a response to someone who asked a question about "celebrity drummers". It isn't very clear due to the format of youtube comments.
The Hi-hat you hear is foot work, useing your heal you can (almost) make the same sound you would make with your hand while opening the the hi hat. Its pretty standart but Krupa was one of the masters with padle work, actoually he invented it. (and the padle its self 2).
It really detracts when the end is cut off, why don't they get software and smudge it out frame by frame if it is copyright (which I doubt in a public domain film)
Do you know of any other ones available on film? Were JATP concerts filmed regularly? I have some but none have Gene or Buddy. I am waiting for the day when Verve music gets a brain and starts releasing all of the stuff they must have.
Based on watching them I would say Buddy had a somewhat faster single stroke role and was able to play just from the wrists a little more easily than Krupa. Also Buddy, tended to play alot of left hand two-stroke right-hand one-stroke patterns, which gives a different feel. Krupa tended to do more exclusively with single-stroke roles at fast tempos. Krupa himself said somewhere that Buddy's left hand was "impossible". Personally I prefer Krupa musically.
I think all this whos faster than who lark is stupid, both drummers could play as fast as each other if they need to :) just that buddy showed off more in doing so lol .. i like both Gene & Buddy Either way :). Thanks for posting Mytoxx :)
My sentimental favorite Drummer is Krupa but on chops my favorite was Rich just because Buddy could outdo Gene or any other Drummer period,and I wish I could ever play drums as easy as Buddy Rich,but again I just love Gene Krupa an as I read about him he had not a mean bone on his body and I respect that!!
Hughe M. Rich was more technically proficient than Krupa, possibly more than anyone ever. Love Buddy, but no one had the style and panache of Gene Krupa.
That is not an electric guitar. It is a typical rhythm guitar used in jazz orchestras. It was important for keeping the rhythm section together in all bands after the switch from using the banjo in the 1920s and 1930s.
Every drummer owes a huge debt to Gene Krupa!
Gene Krupa was the fucking best!
All us drummers take a rhythm or 2 from him.
Long Live Jazz!!! Rest in peace Gene Krupa!
Only Krupa would say something like that,what a gentleman,and a professional at that.A class act as always.thanks for the response.
its been 11 years....
@@icantthhinkofausernamejustyet wdym
One of the best drummers in history who brought drumming out of being a background instrument.
Two of Gene's best arrangements. His band were always top notch and he was always kicking. Thanks for posting.
Buddy and Gene were good friends who hated these drum battles they did them because the public enjoyed them. they admired each other style and talent.
Krupa and Belson are and will always be the best in my book.Rich had "speed",but no style or heart.thanks for bringing this clip out!
He was huge drummer!! awesome
i started to play drums a while ago and i had never heard of Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa or any other drummers like the two,now i love looking at their vids and following them,but most drummers nowadays look up to Slipknot's drummer,or Travis McCoy{or whatever his name is}and they have no idea where any of those drummers learned from,these type of drummers!!well i say:GET A LIFE,NO DRUMMER TODAY IS BETTER THAN ANY OF THESE LEGENDS!!!!
Listen to Genes solo on "Genes Blues". Its really a musical eyeopener. Swinging, full of surprises, with a touch of his dixieland roots.
A class act indeed and wonderful human being.
Best swinging drummer ever, together with Chick Webb
AMAZING thats all I have to say! Soo smooth and cool! Gene was awesome!
I saw Billy Cobham last year - he has to be up there too in the drummer pantheon.
This arrangement was always one of the best charts from the 1940s by any band. I've always enjoyed the two sudden uses of silence towards the end. You wouldn't think they'd be, but they're very effective.
@ParadiddleMcFlam : I'm with you there, Krupa is a favorite of mine as well.
@ParadiddleMcFlam : I have MANY recordings by Chick Webb and I have heard that he was "supposedly" an influence on Krupa, however, I don't hear it in Krupa's playing. Webb was ok, but Krupa was absolutely fabulous and all credit should go him and not to some "supposed" outside influence . I''m a sax player and though I have listened to many other sax players in my life time, my talent is all my own and all credit should go to me. Krupa was great , because of Krupa & nobody else.
YES
Chick Webb who was one of Krupa's influences had his own band in the 1930's and he was technically and visually a powerhouse (although I have never seen film of him, if there is any). There were other guys who were featured as show drummers--I think Lionel Hampton was featured with louis Armstrong as a drummer. I don't know the dates on these. I think that Baby Dodds was also a focal point in the New Orleans style bands he backed in the 1920's (he was another of Krupa's influences).
The original videoclips have some titles on the end,most typically VITAPHONE etc.they cut it off probably for copyright reasons or alike
If it were THIS Gene Krupa battling Buddy Rich and not the older one, HE WOULD HAVE WHUPPED HIS ASS!
@MrRJDB1969 I would never suggest that Krupa didn't do his own thing. He is my favorite drummer. However, he himself said that Chick was his biggest influence. This does not imply that Krupa was a mere imitator. My orignal comment was a response to someone who asked a question about "celebrity drummers". It isn't very clear due to the format of youtube comments.
Only if there W.O.P.S like me LOL! Gene Krupa is the best!
Does any of you remembers the name of first altoist?not Charlie Kennedy,but the guy in the middle of sax section
The Hi-hat you hear is foot work, useing your heal you can (almost) make the same sound you would make with your hand while opening the the hi hat. Its pretty standart but Krupa was one of the masters with padle work, actoually he invented it. (and the padle its self 2).
It really detracts when the end is cut off, why don't they get software and smudge it out frame by frame if it is copyright (which I doubt in a public domain film)
question: was Krupa the first "celebrity drummer"? The first drummer to be featured in the forefront of a band?
Do you know of any other ones available on film? Were JATP concerts filmed regularly? I have some but none have Gene or Buddy. I am waiting for the day when Verve music gets a brain and starts releasing all of the stuff they must have.
2:50 for leave us leap
Liked the vid, just wish it didn't have ended so abruptly.
Based on watching them I would say Buddy had a somewhat faster single stroke role and was able to play just from the wrists a little more easily than Krupa. Also Buddy, tended to play alot of left hand two-stroke right-hand one-stroke patterns, which gives a different feel. Krupa tended to do more exclusively with single-stroke roles at fast tempos. Krupa himself said somewhere that Buddy's left hand was "impossible". Personally I prefer Krupa musically.
Who is playing first trumpet?
why do they always clip off the end!!!!?
This is what they mean when they say "Feel the Music"
how many music generes can u hear that came out of this!?
UP TILL 1:29 the drums are mimened, then it cuts to a "live" solo..then back to mime..Hell this better than Randy CRAPUTO!
I think all this whos faster than who lark is stupid, both drummers could play as fast as each other if they need to :) just that buddy showed off more in doing so lol .. i like both Gene & Buddy Either way :). Thanks for posting Mytoxx :)
Ray triscari,possibly
Im sure Buddy realizes this :)
I like Krupa's style much better the Rich
Agree. Rich was the better technician, but Gene had more original ideas.
exactly
My sentimental favorite Drummer is Krupa but on chops my favorite was Rich just because Buddy could outdo Gene or any other Drummer period,and I wish I could ever play drums as easy as Buddy Rich,but again I just love Gene Krupa an as I read about him he had not a mean bone on his body and I respect that!!
Buddy was good,it just came down to styles
Hughe M. Rich was more technically proficient than Krupa, possibly more than anyone ever. Love Buddy, but no one had the style and panache of Gene Krupa.
Thanks...baritone man should be Jack Schwartz
No,sir. That's Charlie Kennedy
Just curious. Why is there an electric guitar player in this orchestra? It seems pointless to play an instrument that can't be heard.
That is not an electric guitar. It is a typical rhythm guitar used in jazz orchestras. It was important for keeping the rhythm section together in all bands after the switch from using the banjo in the 1920s and 1930s.
Buddy is dead!!! He died many years ago!!