Brilliant video 👌 i aim to do my rear pivot bearings soon, as i'm getting a fair bit of side to side wobble from the rear end! Very useful video this, thanks dave!
Hi, I got a rail 7 and had the dreaded creek. Put some queries out there on some group's and I was giving some great advice. I though it was the Bottom bracket but it turned out to be the motor bolt's dry as a bone rubbing inside the hole housing. I removed and greased and all creeking stopped. So worth a try first. Thanks for sharing your vids
This drying out problem is the same issue I had on my rail 9 gx! Took a lot of effort to work out where it was coming from, but a good greasing of everything sorted it out :)
Hi Royston, Thanks for watching, yes, its common but not a massive issue as they are easily rectified. The main thing is spotting it early, if you catch it early enough you wont need the whole kit, just the bearings which are available from most good bearing dealers.
thank you for your video. My Rail-7 was sounding perfect until I got caught in a downpour 1/2 through my ride. After that, my bottom bracket was creaking. I suspected the crank arms but feared the bottom bracket. I watched your video and did the tire/seat post test. Well, it wasn't coming from my pivot bolts but I did notice my rear wheel moved ever so slightly and with much less noise, at the axle. So, I tightened it about a 1/3 turn and viola, the noise is gone. I was surprised because the tightening lever (what looks like the old skewer handle) didn't move since the wheel was put on but apparently, the axle did loosen. I'm not going to worry about it. Anyway, thanks for the video, I'm KNOW I wouldn't have thought about that test and found a 2 minute test/fix instead of removing pedals, crank arms, etc... and still not finding the problem. Thanks again.
Thank you! I checked all the pivot bolts in my Rail 7. The middle and bottom bolts were loose. I have only three rides so far, but I ride hard! The sales guy in the bike shop asked me to check them often. My first maintenance should be just after 200km range in the bike shop as half price, but I'll do it myself.
Great video but i dont know about anybody else but when i take my bike in for what ever reason i always give it a good clean, Dave do you ever get annoyed at having to work on dirty bikes or do you just accept them like that as part of the job.
It can be annoying especially when there is quite a bit of work to do it it, a lot of times I will wash the bike first and make a small charge. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Dave. These videos on Trek rails help me with waiting for my new 9.8 XT to arrive. Always great to see an ol'hand at work! That's a nice fitting rear mudguard on that bike, what is it?
Another great vid Dave! Do you know what kind of warranty Trek gives on their bikes for these kinds of parts when you buy new bike? Is it just like a 1 year type of thing for these things as well as motor? In Canada but sure it’s same across the board. Thanks :) waiting on my Rail 9.7 🙌
I have got a creak on my trek rail 9.7 (carbon) i tried to clean and grease the main pivot area, but i have found that both bearings arent moving at all? How is this possible, i couldnt turn the inner part ......
Hi, thanks for watching, this is a common problem not just on the main pivot but on all bikes with pivot bearings, every six months they need replacing if used often.
Hi dave great video my mondraker ebike was creaking and I thought it was the motor, lbs confirmed pivot bearing had seized and he couldn't remove it so looks like I will be trying to DIY it
Thanks for watching, If you need a full main pivot pin kit then thats has to come from trek, you may find that some large trek dealers may have stock, other wise your trek dealer will order it for you. If its just the bearings you need you get get an enduro bearing from a good bike bearing supplier.
I have an almost new (600km) Rail 7 and it is also cracking. Then I tighten the bolts and it stops cracking for some time. I don't know what to do to make it stop cracking permanently.
Could you give a bit more info on the anti-slip compound you are using and how it differs from say white lithium grease which is what I've used in the past when fitting bearings. Have I been using the wrong stuff?
Hi, thanks for watching. The anti seize is a compound formulated by shimano to help stop components seizing in their housings, its not used on bearing races just on components, the lithium grease use use is generally used on bearing races and moving parts, it will still work as an anti seize but not quite as good as dedicated anti seize compound.
Hi Curt, Thanks for watching, yes its completely different, its not a lubricant at all and should only be used to help prevent parts from getting stuck when you need to remove them next time.
Hello mate, I've watched this video what seems about 80 times now, as I had a similar creak everytime I pedal but it only happens down the one side (left side pedal when you ride) no one had the kit at the time, but I was able to purchase the bearings and installed them as a novice myself, having followed your video - so thanks. HOWEVER, its still creaking and I'm wondering is it coming from somewhere else or is it that the pivot bolt needs replacing still?? There's clearly were on the bolt, but even 2 mechanics at the Trek store don't seem to think the wear would make that much difference as its fractions of a millimetre we're talking. When I put the bolt back in and grease it up to the hilt to see if any noise is at least reduced, but nothing - what do you think yourself? I can get the bolt, but don't want to pay another £30+ for it if nothing will change of course
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. like all kinds of creaks unless they are super obvious its a process of starting with the one thing, replacing it then ride it to see if its changed, suspension pins are nearly all black in colour, if the black has worn away where the bearing race runs, replace them. having said that some can be very tricky to find, in some cases I have completely rebuilt the bike to sort it out
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic thanks for the response. The funny thing is, I hosed water over the bike like I did when I washed it and the creak has gone. I’m assuming the excess water has found it’s way into the area or component’s that’s the issue and almost acting has a lubricant until it drys out. I’m going to start from the bottom of the frame / suspension area and hose a bit of water and see if at any point the creak goes again and then Hopefully figure out that way we’re it might be coming from - maybe a measure worth trying. Like I say, only because it goes for a short period of time when washed 👍🏻
Hiya I have to replace my axle aswell on my trek remedy 8 and they have given me the exact same kit as you, however the original bolt says 34nm and the one that came in the kit says 30nm. What do I torque it to? Thanks
Hi Luca, Use the quoted NM on your new Bolt, 30nm, Thanks for watching, Please consider subscribing to my channel, th-cam.com/channels/U0hrLswU55eaZ7kjYQ0PeA.html
hi dave have you ever had a issue with any trek ebike where the power keeps dropping out and you have to keep turning the purion display back on i had a go on 1 at the weekend with that issue thanks.
Hi Stephen, Yes, but I would need to ask a few more questions before I could advise. things like age of the bike, milage,, did this happen often, The bike needs needs putting through diagnostics. Send me an email with your phone number to dave@cycle-fast.co.uk and I will call you to offer advise if you need to.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic hi dave sorry for late reply my mate rung trek shop apparently it happens often something to do with the battery moving about in the tube he says they are going to sort it cheers. PS. where abouts are you based for future reference
Hi, Thanks for watching, Yes the trek rail is a great bike and well made, it has is niggles but then again many do. The most important thing with any ebike is maintenance, they require additional regular maintenance.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic OK then good stuff, the guy i spoke to at trek seems like a decent bloke, I'll see if they can check things like the derailleur hanger for etc before it comes out
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Actually someone posted the parts PDF online and yes, the parts are the same. In fact it appears most of the Pivot Bearings are a 'standard' size. Now, getting the fcukn things LoL. Cheers!
Please don't clamp by the dropper, seeing that bike wobble around on it made me cringe! Had a bike shop do this a few years ago, the dropper had loads of play when it came back and I am sure it was because it was clamped like this.
Hi, thanks for watching, clamping on the post shaft is fine as long as it’s fully extended and the stand has plastic or rubber jaws, the movement you noticed was the stand not the post.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Ok thanks glad to hear that, the Bontrager dropper is weak and wobbly at best. Mine was clamped in a park tools workbench clamp so the clamp didnt move but the dropper and frame did. Personally I use a trick an old bike mechanic showed me using road bike dropper bars. Clamp the bars in your stand so they form two hooks and simply hang the bike on the bars.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Do you think I´m right or not? ;) I own an Specialized Enduro 2020 where every bolt or washer have an extra seal + what Trek have too, sealed bearings. But this should bee the minimum standard right? How ist the Trek really, maybe I´m wrong?! No sealed bolts, washers nothing?
@@c-claudel I think you are right, some bikes will last longer without a suspension bearing change, there are many reasons for this, design, bearing, protection, quality of bearings etc etc, other factors are climate and how aggressive the rider is, having said that though I seen new bikes that have bearings fitted with very little grease in, they are not going to last long with or without bearing protection.
Just to let everyone know, if your main pivot pin is ok and you just need the bearings the bearing number is ENDURO 38032RS-W
cheaper to get the full kit than just 2 bearings lol
@@kilner79 Yes best to just get the trek kit as at £44 .There is an amazing amount of wear in the pin/bolt for just 2000km use .
I've got the bearings and axle bolt. Is there any need to replace the sleeve and washers?
Ok, that wasn’t so bad. I had the LBS replace the bearings 18 months ago. I’m not afraid to DIY now.
Thanks Dave
sorry for the late reply, thanks for watching.
Another great video. As a Trek Rail owner these are much appreciated- cheers Dave.
Glad you enjoyed it, Thanks for watching
Brilliant video 👌 i aim to do my rear pivot bearings soon, as i'm getting a fair bit of side to side wobble from the rear end! Very useful video this, thanks dave!
Cheers Rob Glad it helped
Do your bearing ASAP mate,,, prevents wear or damage else were😀👌
@@stephenbrown5844 i did... over a year ago! 🤘😆 solved all my issues 🤘
Hi, I got a rail 7 and had the dreaded creek. Put some queries out there on some group's and I was giving some great advice. I though it was the Bottom bracket but it turned out to be the motor bolt's dry as a bone rubbing inside the hole housing. I removed and greased and all creeking stopped.
So worth a try first.
Thanks for sharing your vids
A lot of the time it's not obvious where the creaks are so yes, check everything, great tip, thanks
This drying out problem is the same issue I had on my rail 9 gx! Took a lot of effort to work out where it was coming from, but a good greasing of everything sorted it out :)
Mine is defo this problem but can’t find what size bolt I need to buy as one has fallen out 🤦🏻♂️
🤣🤣 Oufff thats out and off great workmanship and love your commentary 👏👌
Thanks 👍
Excellent video sir! I just bought a Trek Rail and this is very informative and detailed. Cheers
Glad it was helpful!, Thanks for watching.
Nice one Dave, great video, my trek rail 5 is 5 months old with the same issue with 800 miles on the clock
Hi Royston, Thanks for watching, yes, its common but not a massive issue as they are easily rectified. The main thing is spotting it early, if you catch it early enough you wont need the whole kit, just the bearings which are available from most good bearing dealers.
thank you for your video. My Rail-7 was sounding perfect until I got caught in a downpour 1/2 through my ride. After that, my bottom bracket was creaking. I suspected the crank arms but feared the bottom bracket. I watched your video and did the tire/seat post test. Well, it wasn't coming from my pivot bolts but I did notice my rear wheel moved ever so slightly and with much less noise, at the axle. So, I tightened it about a 1/3 turn and viola, the noise is gone.
I was surprised because the tightening lever (what looks like the old skewer handle) didn't move since the wheel was put on but apparently, the axle did loosen. I'm not going to worry about it.
Anyway, thanks for the video, I'm KNOW I wouldn't have thought about that test and found a 2 minute test/fix instead of removing pedals, crank arms, etc... and still not finding the problem. Thanks again.
You are welcome
Thank you! I checked all the pivot bolts in my Rail 7. The middle and bottom bolts were loose. I have only three rides so far, but I ride hard! The sales guy in the bike shop asked me to check them often. My first maintenance should be just after 200km range in the bike shop as half price, but I'll do it myself.
Hi, You are welcome
In case anyone was wondering is is also the same part for remedy 2019 onwards and slash 2017 onwards
Great video mate as a rail owner I thankyou !
Glad you enjoyed it
That was very useful mate. Thank you for this tutorial 👌👍
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment
Great video but i dont know about anybody else but when i take my bike in for what ever reason i always give it a good clean, Dave do you ever get annoyed at having to work on dirty bikes or do you just accept them like that as part of the job.
It can be annoying especially when there is quite a bit of work to do it it, a lot of times I will wash the bike first and make a small charge. Thanks for watching.
Lovely job dave,, love doing my own bike😀👌🇬🇧❤️
Hi, thanks for watching
Hi Dave great video, would this be classed as warranty work as I think I’ve got a similar problem and the bike is only 8 months old?
Hi, Thanks for watching, you can try but some may argue that it's a wear and tear part.
Could you make a video of how to take the cranks off? And what tools? That would be amazing! Love the videos!
Hi, Thanks for watching, I have a crank upgrade video which shows you how to remove the crank arms, I will add it for you.
Thanks Dave. These videos on Trek rails help me with waiting for my new 9.8 XT to arrive. Always great to see an ol'hand at work! That's a nice fitting rear mudguard on that bike, what is it?
Hi, I'm not sure, next time its in I will make a point to have a look.
I just ordered a similar kit for a trek fuel ex :). nice video
Hi, thank your for your comments
Hi Dave, what is the Hope tool part number that you use for tapping the new bearings in?
Hi, I will need to double check next time I do another one
Another great vid Dave! Do you know what kind of warranty Trek gives on their bikes for these kinds of parts when you buy new bike? Is it just like a 1 year type of thing for these things as well as motor? In Canada but sure it’s same across the board. Thanks :) waiting on my Rail 9.7 🙌
I have got a creak on my trek rail 9.7 (carbon) i tried to clean and grease the main pivot area, but i have found that both bearings arent moving at all? How is this possible, i couldnt turn the inner part ......
Hi, thanks for watching, this is a common problem not just on the main pivot but on all bikes with pivot bearings, every six months they need replacing if used often.
Hi dave great video my mondraker ebike was creaking and I thought it was the motor, lbs confirmed pivot bearing had seized and he couldn't remove it so looks like I will be trying to DIY it
Hi Ian, It can be removed, he might not had the correct tools to do it. shame you dont live close, unless you can post it to us.
@The Yorkshire Bike Mechanic cheers dave I will see what I can do,I might be intouch if I get stuck thanks 👍
I've got a trek 7 on order, are these service items readily available? Good vid by the way.
Thanks for watching, If you need a full main pivot pin kit then thats has to come from trek, you may find that some large trek dealers may have stock, other wise your trek dealer will order it for you. If its just the bearings you need you get get an enduro bearing from a good bike bearing supplier.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic cheers for that geezer, I'm on the iom so a couple of dealers here and I work in a garage.
@@Extremegaz25 Nice one, Im missing the IOM TT
I have an almost new (600km) Rail 7 and it is also cracking. Then I tighten the bolts and it stops cracking for some time. I don't know what to do to make it stop cracking permanently.
Hi, thanks for watching and your comment. If its new take it back, it should be covered under warranty
Could you give a bit more info on the anti-slip compound you are using and how it differs from say white lithium grease which is what I've used in the past when fitting bearings. Have I been using the wrong stuff?
Hi, thanks for watching. The anti seize is a compound formulated by shimano to help stop components seizing in their housings, its not used on bearing races just on components, the lithium grease use use is generally used on bearing races and moving parts, it will still work as an anti seize but not quite as good as dedicated anti seize compound.
Great work
Hi, thank you, more to come.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic I have a trek rail 7 very important tutorial. Greetings from Italy
I noticed you are putting anti seize compound. Is this different than the typical bike grease I would use on the bike?
Hi Curt, Thanks for watching, yes its completely different, its not a lubricant at all and should only be used to help prevent parts from getting stuck when you need to remove them next time.
ARE THE ENDURO 38032RS-W BEARINGS THE SAME FOR A TREK RAIL 5 2022 MODEL
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comment, sorry for the late reply, yes I believe so
How much miles or age is on this bike? Seems like a poor design or materials because that pivot really shouldn’t wear out like that so quickly.
Hi, I cant remember now its a while ago that video
Hi Dave, did that fix the creaking sound?
Hi, Thanks for watching, it sure did, creak gone.
Never refit trek OEM bearings they are trash and last less than 300 miles.
Invest in decent bearings
Hello mate, I've watched this video what seems about 80 times now, as I had a similar creak everytime I pedal but it only happens down the one side (left side pedal when you ride) no one had the kit at the time, but I was able to purchase the bearings and installed them as a novice myself, having followed your video - so thanks. HOWEVER, its still creaking and I'm wondering is it coming from somewhere else or is it that the pivot bolt needs replacing still?? There's clearly were on the bolt, but even 2 mechanics at the Trek store don't seem to think the wear would make that much difference as its fractions of a millimetre we're talking. When I put the bolt back in and grease it up to the hilt to see if any noise is at least reduced, but nothing - what do you think yourself? I can get the bolt, but don't want to pay another £30+ for it if nothing will change of course
Hi, Thanks for watching and your comments. like all kinds of creaks unless they are super obvious its a process of starting with the one thing, replacing it then ride it to see if its changed, suspension pins are nearly all black in colour, if the black has worn away where the bearing race runs, replace them. having said that some can be very tricky to find, in some cases I have completely rebuilt the bike to sort it out
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic thanks for the response. The funny thing is, I hosed water over the bike like I did when I washed it and the creak has gone. I’m assuming the excess water has found it’s way into the area or component’s that’s the issue and almost acting has a lubricant until it drys out. I’m going to start from the bottom of the frame / suspension area and hose a bit of water and see if at any point the creak goes again and then Hopefully figure out that way we’re it might be coming from - maybe a measure worth trying. Like I say, only because it goes for a short period of time when washed 👍🏻
@@jamjar1106 The creak goes when washed is very common, your methods are good.
To remove the right crank off. Is it counter clock-wise for the bolt holding the crank?
Hi Alvin, do you mean the crank arm or the chainring locknut
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Crankarm bolt. Thanks, I got it off. It seems to be over-torqued from the factory.
Hiya I have to replace my axle aswell on my trek remedy 8 and they have given me the exact same kit as you, however the original bolt says 34nm and the one that came in the kit says 30nm. What do I torque it to? Thanks
Hi Luca, Use the quoted NM on your new Bolt, 30nm, Thanks for watching, Please consider subscribing to my channel, th-cam.com/channels/U0hrLswU55eaZ7kjYQ0PeA.html
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic will do, I’m just hoping it will fit my remedy as the original bolt is a 10mm hex and 34nm.
Hi Dave, would you mind posting where you purchased this kit from?
Hi, no problem www.tritoncycles.co.uk
hi dave have you ever had a issue with any trek ebike where the power keeps dropping out and you have to keep turning the purion display back on i had a go on 1 at the weekend with that issue thanks.
Hi Stephen, Yes, but I would need to ask a few more questions before I could advise. things like age of the bike, milage,, did this happen often, The bike needs needs putting through diagnostics. Send me an email with your phone number to dave@cycle-fast.co.uk and I will call you to offer advise if you need to.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic hi dave sorry for late reply my mate rung trek shop apparently it happens often something to do with the battery moving about in the tube he says they are going to sort it cheers. PS. where abouts are you based for future reference
Really good videos these
Would you say the rail is a well made bike in general?
Hi, Thanks for watching, Yes the trek rail is a great bike and well made, it has is niggles but then again many do. The most important thing with any ebike is maintenance, they require additional regular maintenance.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic OK then good stuff, the guy i spoke to at trek seems like a decent bloke, I'll see if they can check things like the derailleur hanger for etc before it comes out
Hi Dave
Would you know if it is the same bearing kit for a 2021 Rail 5 please?
Hi, yes it is
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Thanks Dave
Keep the video's coming....Merry 🎄
8 mins.. no blind bearing puller? hammer would be issue with carbon frame.
Hi, thanks for watching, we enjoy your vids, if it was a carbon frame then a bearing puller would have been used.
Any difference from a Powerfly 7? Thanks!
Hi, thanks for watching. As far as I’m aware there is no difference but to be certain I would need to check with trek
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Actually someone posted the parts PDF online and yes, the parts are the same. In fact it appears most of the Pivot Bearings are a 'standard' size. Now, getting the fcukn things LoL. Cheers!
absolutely typical. the exact thing i wanted you to show ( pulling the chain-guard and drive side pedal off and you go and leave that out ).
Sorry
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic seen your other videos. Very grateful. Thank you
Hi Dave how old is that Trek rail?
Hi Royston, Its about 8 mths old
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic cheers
Please don't clamp by the dropper, seeing that bike wobble around on it made me cringe! Had a bike shop do this a few years ago, the dropper had loads of play when it came back and I am sure it was because it was clamped like this.
Hi, thanks for watching, clamping on the post shaft is fine as long as it’s fully extended and the stand has plastic or rubber jaws, the movement you noticed was the stand not the post.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Ok thanks glad to hear that, the Bontrager dropper is weak and wobbly at best. Mine was clamped in a park tools workbench clamp so the clamp didnt move but the dropper and frame did. Personally I use a trick an old bike mechanic showed me using road bike dropper bars. Clamp the bars in your stand so they form two hooks and simply hang the bike on the bars.
Go n make alf a brew lol
Never wash your bike before bringing it to the mechanic.
Hi, thanks for watching and your comment, lol
Seems you really have to pay 10k to get properly sealed rearend 🤭
Hi, Thanks for watching.
@@TheYorkshireBikeMechanic Do you think I´m right or not? ;)
I own an Specialized Enduro 2020 where every bolt or washer have an extra seal + what Trek have too, sealed bearings. But this should bee the minimum standard right?
How ist the Trek really, maybe I´m wrong?!
No sealed bolts, washers nothing?
@@c-claudel I think you are right, some bikes will last longer without a suspension bearing change, there are many reasons for this, design, bearing, protection, quality of bearings etc etc, other factors are climate and how aggressive the rider is, having said that though I seen new bikes that have bearings fitted with very little grease in, they are not going to last long with or without bearing protection.