Nate/Abby - Don't worry about what other people say. Sadly, too many people are just acting like jerks online. Just keep doing what you do with integrity and honesty - which I know you do.
I agree. I have a TH-cam channel, and the most important thing to know is that as your channel gets more views, there is a higher chance that more jerks will see the videos. Some people take out their frustrations on you, simply because it's easy and basically anonymous. They're garbage can people with sh*tty lives who vent their frustrations on whoever is in front of them. They and their lame lives really are to be pitied, except they wanna stink up other people's lives with their toxicity, because they have doo-doo for souls.
However, sometimes opinion from others can be like a thermometer regarding how you can improve your life. You can't just simply ignore everyone's criticism simply because you don't agree with what they're saying right away. Some things that people criticize about others could be a fact that the person can approve upon. Just saying.
Watching your channel was one of the reasons I started flying, I believe your videos are & have always been truthful and honest. Sorry you guys had to deal with all the negativity. Thanks for all the videos you post & you & your family have a blessed day!
Just a genuine question? This video feels like you're trying to address the haters. Why not focus on the people who like you vs the ones that dont? Seams like you have a long strong following of people. Focus on them and forget everyone else would be my recommendation. I can tell you are both genuinely bothered by the negativity and thats just silly. Remember people say wild things on the internet because they know there are no consequences. Keep flying and forget the haters
hey you guys dont trip. i been following and watching your stuff for over 8yrs now and i have always appreciated your honesty. not everyone can just go out and buy the best stuff, i know i cant but i have bought stuff from your "not reviews(😅)" before and have never been disappointed, so thank you. from the rez up in Mn.
I have the E flite A10. The plane looks and flies great. I bought it because it looks so good and has a metal , shock absorbing landing gear. That alone is worth the extra money to me. I've had one crash due to stalling it ...too slow...too low.
Well they're nuts. Cause I appreciate your honesty AND I still think for the money it's a good plane.. just drop the ordinance and tank... Add the nose weight,, and rip off the gear doors... TA DA!! It'll fly descent for a lot less.. just like cars/bashers / scalers... etc , if you go cheap, you have to change or upgrade this or that so it does what you want.
I will say this, I’m honest to a fault most times. I very rarely care about hurting feelings by not being honest. I have been watching you 2 for several years now. I can honestly say that I have never felt you guys were ever dishonest or intentionally tanked a review. I take your reviews to heart, I have shared your videos with friends and co-workers. Based on your reviews and recommendations, I have picked up several different RCs, and have never been disappointed. I understand how the negative review and feedback can be upsetting, but y’all do great work, and post honest reviews from all I have seen. Keep it up, God won’t give you what you can’t handle. Love Y’all!!!
I purchased this A 10 from Nate. After several flights adjusting the CG it now Flys great. Not for a beginner flying jets. It's intermediate to expert flyer range. Nate would not lie in any video. When I first flew it, it was a😢 handful. Now it Flys great. Thanks Nate, keep up the good work.
I’m so happy to know that you’ve got it flying better than I was able to get it going!! That genuinely made my day to know you are getting some good out of it now 🙏👍😎💯⚓️
So, it was just a CG and neutral trim issue? Did you use the same Rx he had in it? I'm really shocked how poorly it flew for him, because I have flown literally every foamy A-10 on the market and this one is hands-down the best flying one I have gotten stick time on. The manual is lacking, sure. Especially since it does not show/explain the need for trimming the elevator properly for neutral flight. I suspect this is what his issue is/was. It makes me sad seeing this wonderful plane getting slammed so badly when mine flies like an absolute dream.
Hey, you warbird flyers, has anyone heard of "wing washout"? Recommend that you look at frame 0:21 where Nate has these A10's held to show both rear views. And take a look at the left-wing trailing edges, on out to the wingtips. Besides the obvious dihedral differences, the latter are not the same. Simply explained, without it, the wing tips stall first, especially when a slow speed, aileron only, banking turn is attempted. And look it up on RC airplane related websites explaining it!
I did a search - Suko's Hobbies channel did a flight video, and had a much better experience, so there is one video showing this model flying well. They didn't have the ordinance on the plane, and were using a gyro-stabilized receiver, but did have the same problem with the nose gear door. It's possible there might be something malfunctioning on your plane, but when it's intermittent in flight, that makes it very difficult to troubleshoot and repair.
Hey Guys Thanks again for sharing your time and experience with us all….i personally enjoy watching your videos because of your honesty and FUN that you both have enjoying this wonderful hobby of r/c….Love you both bunches……a friend from Florida Dave
I'm not really familiar with all the drama between companies, but I like UMX planes which I understand are owned or distributed by E-Flite ..and Amen!✝
Oh my your channel has grown. I haven’t been on SM or TH-cam since before the 2020 worldwide “situation”. Good to see your channel hasn’t been abandoned like soooo many other rc channels I grew to love.
Wow......... Nate and Abbie how are you two,? It's been so long I am glad you both are still pumping out TH-cam videos. Your both are still my favorite rc channel. Nate I love those A-10 Thunderbolts. That is my favorite Air to ground attack jet. Thank you for your honest reviews. Now if you don't mind I have to catch up on all your Videos it's been so long since I Last been up to date with all your content. Keep up the Wonderful work.
I have flown a ton of Motion RCs planes and have found that the servos they use are not 100% and have replaced some with a better grade of servo. I don't know how much problems you have had with the Eflite, but having a lot of flights on it and having it look in your video, in nice shape, tells about getting about a better value. Keep up your honest reviews, it is refreshing to watch them. Nice runway as it is perfect for smaller wheels to take off and land.
You guys should remove the gear doors on that freewing and see if that feeling resolves or feels a bit better because having that front door drop intermittently could definitely cause some issues basically an air brake where there definitely shouldn't be one.... Also Goosky S1 PLEASE LOL
@14:36 that nose gear door on the motionrc plane was clearly caught by the wind, so that's clearly a small issue, but that didn't cause the un-commanded roll after the gear was already down. There was some other reason for that weirdness (unknown). Others that have this plane don't have the particular problem you had hear, so that's unfortunate because it does fly well. The one plane that motion has that I really like is the L-39 in camo livery. If you haven't tried that one yet, it's a great jet.
Dude, you have really got to get better at using rudder to coordinate your turns. That Flightline A-10 was dragging it's backside through your turns. Remember, ailerons bank the wings but rudder initiates the turns, and elevator brings the airframe around. Add a touch of throttle in turns and try not to yank the airframe around. Pull the throttle back (slightly) coming out of any turn. The airframe should not lose altitude or gain any if you're being smooth. There is no mistaking the wingloading on the Flightline airframe is much higher, and the plane is darty as heck because of it. You need to increase your expo substantially so you're not overcontrolling that particular bird. Fix that ridiculous floppy door! That is for sure causing headaches.
You’ve got a very fair point! I was not mixing rudder in (manual or programmed) on my banks at all. Maybe I was too distracted worrying about just keeping it airborn to be able to focus on making it look good, but I often fly casually with simple bank and yank maneuvers unless I’m actually focussed on that scale smooth look. 👍😎⚓️
Oh, I wanted to add regarding expo, I think I was locked in at 25% or 30% on ailerons, and 20% on elevator and rudder. Maybe 25% on elevator, but definitely in this ballpark. I forgot to mention that in this video 😬💯⚓️
Absolutely! They both have a very specific cool factor going, and I honestly like the way the Motion RC (Freewing) version looks too, but maaaannn…. It’s not very often I’d rather not fly something than fly it. 💯⚓️
I like your channel and the honesty, one channel that doesn't have integrity is camp drone or something like that he never gives bad reviews so he doesn't piss of companies. He would rather sell his audience crap than to lose a company paying him a buck or two.
Haters will be haters. This channel is bare-bones honesty. Nate's mouth often gets him in trouble...and we love his bravery. Traxxas doesn't. He ain't no fanboy. I use this channel to help me learn, laugh a belly-full, purchase aircraft and radios and become a better rc pilot. DON'T CHANGE. ❤❤🍺🍺❤❤
Thank you very much! We will catch some flak for this video, but to me, that just makes everything THAT much clearer at the end of the day. Really appreciate your support! 👍🙏😎💯⚓️
I’ve flown both Horizon and Freewing jets and both have good a bad from both. My Freewing AvantiS are fantastic! The Horizon F-16 is awesome. The Freewing big F-22 is awesome as well. My Horizon SU30 is heavy but flies well and looks good doing it. I appreciate your and Amy’s honesty concerning these models. You save us time and money from not buying duds and using our hard earned hobby budget on good aircraft. Keep up the good work you guys.
Lets see, a 10 channel Lemon receiver with stabilization and compatible telemetry for $54.99 would be more than enough for this airplane. I use quite a few Lemon receivers and they are excellent plus they don't cost $140.00!
Eflite’s AS3x does a lot of the work to make a plane fly better. 😊 I suggest installing a gyro or flight controller for anyone. It will make a difference trust me! I fly fixed wing FPV UAVs with iNAV, and there is a big difference between and actively tuned and untuned aircraft. 😅
Appreciate you guys sticking to your guns on this one. I was in disbelief on the first video because I have multiple freewing planes and some are even my favorite! I’ve never had one perform so poorly. I love these comparison videos though. I would love to see the freewing f-16 70mm vs eflite f-16 70mm. Crazy to see how wacky this A-10 is. I love the 64mm F-22 and heard the 90mm is one of the best planes you can get! Would love to see those.
There's a few vids out there. Merryboozers did one. Eflites F16 basically hasn't changed since release. Freewings F16 has had many updates throughout and now full stabs on the elevator and the motor is stronger out the 2 these 2 things plus the most important resson, battery bay layout. Can fit a 5000 6s in there. Eflite you cant get it past the RX location. It's where I spent my money. F22 90mm is an awesome jet. I have 2. You should get one..easily big first edf and also one u can learn aerobatics with as you get more used to it. Flies unlike anything else in my hanger.
You Two..!!! I tune in to watch and get the honest scoop on things. So just take whatever "they" said about you trying to make a plane look bad, with a grain of salt and don't let it bother you. Great save prior to that emergency landing!! I thought it was gonna be a lawn dart but you recovered, stayed cool and made the landing. Well done!!! Great video and keep them coming!!
I still have high hopes for the Freewing A-10, mainly because I LOVE the livery. As someone who has difficulty tracking fast high flyers that easily blend in with the sky, that's a huge factor for me. I like the esthetic so much, I'm willing to commit to it & dial it in. Hopefully a great addition to my hangar.
I have owned many Freewing aircraft over the years, my favorite being thier B-17 and my least favorite was thier cub. The one thing they all had in common was horrible landing gear. Smooth asphalt fine, but could not handle a grass field. They fixed that issue than just fantastic planes.
Maybe try reviewing freeewings new J-10A. That plane is top tier and one of the best flying planes right out of the box. Great scale features and finish too.
@@TheRcSaylors the problem is that the experience is with one of their bad apples. Their average plane isn’t like this whatsoever. Their past five releases (besides the A10) have been top quality. I’m sure if you try the J-10, Gripen, or eurofighter you would not be disappointed.
I think it’s a good comparison, Always great to have different options and price points so hopefully most people can experience the thrill of flying an A10 😁 most beginners don’t really need 6S power anyways imo.. I wouldn’t want to start off with 6S which I’d think you could fly the Eflite on 4S also but it coast right much more though, I guess you get what you pay for at the end of the day 🤷🏼♂️ lol
Appreciate the head to head comparison of these two! The eflite definitely has that "on rails" look in the sky, for sure; but the freewing looked a lot better than the maiden with the CG fixes. I bet that with a similar ordinance config (not only does the ordinance add drag, but it also screws up the lift provided by the wing) and doing something about those silly landing gear doors/covers, the freewing would probably close the gap quite a bit. Still, it doesn't seem quite right. maybe it needs an incidence adjustment or something? eflite looks worth the added cost here for sure.
I did cover a lot of these other points in our maiden video. Please check it out and let me know if what you’re looking for is covered there. If not, I’d love to hear your thoughts! 👍😎💯⚓️
Interesting educational video. Guess I need to WATACH the maiden again!! I'm observing you guys beginning to fall down the NEGATIVE rabbit hole and explaining your never waning honesty and family values!! The larger your channel grows the more negatives there'll be...show them no attention, cuz I don't want to hear about it!! NATE, Bob Ross yourself up again and remember there are no mistakes just lessons to be learned!! Thanks Saylors for everything you do!! ❤👍😎
I just love my 6S 70mm FMS Yak-130. It has shock absorbers and strong gear. My 3S 64mm FMS F-35 is another amazing flyer. The Motion RC 4S F-22 flew poorly and lost a gear on every landing. I pulled the gear off and it flies a tiny bit better. I have been selling my Arrows and Motion EDF’s and saving up for FMS jets.
I think this is a first for me... I disagree with Abby. The comparison is apples to apples - of a different variety. If you think of one A-10 as a Mcintosh and the other as a Granny Smith I think you'll get my point (even if you disagree). Ps. I get a lot out of most comparison videos and appreciate your doing this particular A-10 comparison.
While some people can't handle the truth, others can't handle your honesty. You are correct to be committed to your values. Do not be dismayed by folks who don't agree with your values, there are many watching your channel who do...
I just wanted to share some feedback that might be helpful for future reviews. It’s great to see you all having fun, but it might be beneficial to handle the models a bit more carefully during reviews. When a product crashes during a review, it can sometimes turn potential customers off. Personally, I've skipped videos where a model crashed early on and looked for other reviews instead. Nate, I understand you enjoy pushing the limits, but a smoother flight can really showcase the product's strengths better. Your reviews are important, and people rely on them to decide on purchases. You all are great people with a wonderful family, and it’s always heartwarming to see happy American families! Regarding the model in this video, it didn’t seem like a good purchase based on this review. However, I’ve seen it perform well in other videos, which makes it a bit confusing. Maybe doing a thorough pre-flight check and sharing any issues or observations with the audience beforehand could help. This way, if something goes wrong, viewers know what to expect. Overall, this was a good video, and that roll was indeed unusual. Keep up the great work, and I hope this feedback helps with future reviews.
So when you check your CG are you only checking fore and aft? Do you check the side to side as well. It just seems to me the wing coincidence isn't correct do you check that before flying? They make some really amazing foam airplanes these days. But I can't help but think that they don't fly as true as balsa without the flight stabilization. Maybe I'm wrong and should try a foamy.
I love the a-10 thunderbolt all I do is talk about that, I always wanted to get into flying rc planes specifically a-10 thunderbolt but most good rc planes are a lot, so sadly I can never start flying..
The Elflite isn't available in the UK. HH never bothered sending the Avian equipped version to the us and now the old version is all sold out that's it. Can't get one at all. That's what I dislike about HH. They choose where to send certain models. No one stocks the Eflite F16 80mm anymore we never got the TB scheme. So I got the FMS version instead. HH sell Chinese planes but they are too American and don't understand that there's other countries apart from them. Freewing however is available internationally and aren't naive/narrow minded with their selling/supply process.
There's a lot of people out there that don't like the truth just for that Almighty dollar you know but that's what makes you guys the RC sailors y'all are truth and one awesome family so y'all keep up the good work
Check the speed of each motor, one may be running a little faster or have a blade that is broken. A twin EDF will fly weired if this occurs. Also I noticed that you cannot push the battery forward enough because of the nose wheel. The nose wheel should be off to one side, just like the real one. This would allow you to wiggle the battery forward more but Im seeing they have it blocked off with foam. Your CG would make this thing very twitchy.
All the external tanks and weapons will cause a lot of drag as well. Maybe take the tanks off and make fly both planes clean. Apples to apples so to speak.
I get it guys… it’s like comparing a Tekno buggy with an MJX buggy. I mean they are both buggy’s… but if I drive a Tekno all the time and then I drive a look-a-like MJX, the MJX drives terrible compared to the Tekno. So yeah, they can look the same but the one with the superior design/parts/electronics is definitely going to be a more enjoyable experience . So, I am right there with you guys🤙🏻
The twist was you cutting the throttle in a 45 deg bank, next time do a normal approach. The FW was more draggy because you had one additional set of armaments on it.
the question is not to know which plane is better than the other since the production of the eflite a10 has ceased and is no longer marketed. but WHY eflite stops the production and sale of its best planes and releases toys for 300 dollars. while freewing continues to constantly release interesting planes and does not stop its production.
I'm wondering why there is so many posts, But You guys( Mr. and Mrs. Sailer) Are not responding to anything that is being said here? Let's keep in mind here its really simple Eflite makes some great planes, and I own many of them and Freewing Makes some great planes also, But I will say this they both sell crap, but I see no reason as a reviewer to cross that line with folks that support you financially and bring yourself to that level. Stick with the products and suppliers that feed you these planes to review and just keep your opinion about the others under your breath like most of the other reviewers do. Piece...
My experience with a turbine A10 is that they nose down when throttle up, pretty bad when you have to go around or take off on a short runway. Even flown an EDF a-10, same story
Have you ever seen the Frank Sylvester A-10 Crash video on TH-cam? If not, it’s worth a watch, but be forewarned about bad language. I mean, I think he demonstrates how we all feel at times in life, but he’s so good at vocalizing it!! Lol…. Seriously do not watch with young ones around. And all I can say is, at least I’m not the only one. It’s essentially the same exact plane in his video as ours, other than the new paint scheme. Please, tell him we sent you his way and I’ve gotta know your thoughts after watching it!! 😅😬🙏❤️⚓️
i really like your reviews but put a 4000 in that freewing and she will fly like a different plane. the eflite is still better in my opinion but give it one more shot so you can at least see how far off the cg is
so thanks for your videos, I've been into rc. all my life. unfortunately a couple years ago my home burned down and my life long collection of 30 something planes, several helicopters, several trucks, and even a few boats all destroyed! burned up..... I'm just now starting to begin the hobby again... at least half of my airplanes were hand built by me, the lose of those ones hurt the most. anyway I enjoy your videos. thanks
I’ve been pretty happy with its performance. Have been thoroughly testing it since I’ve gotten it and using it as my primary radio. Hundreds of flights on it with planes and helicopters and no issues from the radio. Might do a “review” on it down the road at some point 👍😎💯⚓️
I'm a big Freewing fanboy (80MM A-10, Avanti, L-39, MIG-29), but it it was clear to me on release, that tje 4S FW A-10 is gonna be no good. I had the e-flite A-10 as well. The problem there is that it's flying with small 6S batteries (3000-3500 mAh) that you cannot use anywhere else. Therefore (and because I was mainly glying the 80mm A-10) I sold the plane.
As a fellow pilot, I can tell you that there is SOMETHING wrong with your FW A-10. Without being there in person to look it over, I can't tell you what it is, but my model flies FANTASTIC. I've got about a dozen flights on it now and it flies SO GOOD. I do have a Lemon Rx/Gyro on-board to help smooth things out with the wind, but my plane is no where near as squirelly as yours is. And honestly, I have flown all the foamy A-10s out there, from the UMX to the giant twin 80mm Freewing and this one, hands down, is the best flying one of them all. So, I suggest you don't give up on it and check and recheck your setup. Not trying to plug myself on your channel, but here is my video if you care to see the difference in how this plane flew. th-cam.com/video/o8XR1CKae6w/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgxXeTA-ohWXPxfCW1V4AaABAg My only thoughts are; If you have a gyro, double and triple check the settings to make sure they're correct. Try using the magnet mod on the nose gear door I did to prevent it from opening in flight. I did not notice a big change in pitch when the door went down, but I could see if causing issues. Also, watch the last 20 seconds of my video and make sure the neutral position of the elevator is approximately how mine looks. Most A-10 RC models I have flown have some "up" elevator trim to fly neutral. Lastly, try flying it without the ordnance just to minimize potential factors.
I got the version 1 last year and checked everything before my maiden. Let me just say what a waste of money! Nosedived into the corn, need I say more!!
Hey yall i was just wondering if you guys are gonna do a 700 size rc helicopter or something i think there really cool. I think nate would go a little crazy flying it lol. Anyway thank you for posting great videos. Love the reviews.
I like you guys. You don’t sugar coat it. You call it like you see it. 😊
Nate/Abby - Don't worry about what other people say. Sadly, too many people are just acting like jerks online. Just keep doing what you do with integrity and honesty - which I know you do.
I agree. I have a TH-cam channel, and the most important thing to know is that as your channel gets more views, there is a higher chance that more jerks will see the videos.
Some people take out their frustrations on you, simply because it's easy and basically anonymous.
They're garbage can people with sh*tty lives who vent their frustrations on whoever is in front of them.
They and their lame lives really are to be pitied, except they wanna stink up other people's lives with their toxicity, because they have doo-doo for souls.
However, sometimes opinion from others can be like a thermometer regarding how you can improve your life. You can't just simply ignore everyone's criticism simply because you don't agree with what they're saying right away. Some things that people criticize about others could be a fact that the person can approve upon. Just saying.
Watching your channel was one of the reasons I started flying, I believe your videos are & have always been truthful and honest. Sorry you guys had to deal with all the negativity. Thanks for all the videos you post & you & your family have a blessed day!
You guys are awesome! So glad to see honest folks like yourselves.
Thanks Jay! That means the world to us 🙏👍💯😎⚓️
Just a genuine question? This video feels like you're trying to address the haters. Why not focus on the people who like you vs the ones that dont? Seams like you have a long strong following of people. Focus on them and forget everyone else would be my recommendation. I can tell you are both genuinely bothered by the negativity and thats just silly. Remember people say wild things on the internet because they know there are no consequences. Keep flying and forget the haters
Fly and forget 🙏🏻
Right don’t check comments either just do what you love
I think you should say what you feel no excuse needed if honest comments.
Don't change your principles. You guys are the best hands down.
I appreciate your honesty it's very helpful to me and many others when purchasing plane's. Thank you and keep up the awesome work
hey you guys dont trip. i been following and watching your stuff for over 8yrs now and i have always appreciated your honesty. not everyone can just go out and buy the best stuff, i know i cant but i have bought stuff from your "not reviews(😅)" before and have never been disappointed, so thank you. from the rez up in Mn.
This means a lot my friend, thank you! 👍🙏💯😎⚓️
I have the E flite A10. The plane looks and flies great. I bought it because it looks so good and has a metal , shock absorbing landing gear. That alone is worth the extra money to me. I've had one crash due to stalling it ...too slow...too low.
Well they're nuts.
Cause I appreciate your honesty AND I still think for the money it's a good plane.. just drop the ordinance and tank... Add the nose weight,, and rip off the gear doors... TA DA!! It'll fly descent for a lot less..
just like cars/bashers / scalers... etc , if you go cheap, you have to change or upgrade this or that so it does what you want.
I picked up the Eflite A-10 a month ago, and I have to say I love it. It flies on rails, and is actually pretty quick. It’s just a solid edf.
I will say this, I’m honest to a fault most times. I very rarely care about hurting feelings by not being honest. I have been watching you 2 for several years now. I can honestly say that I have never felt you guys were ever dishonest or intentionally tanked a review. I take your reviews to heart, I have shared your videos with friends and co-workers. Based on your reviews and recommendations, I have picked up several different RCs, and have never been disappointed. I understand how the negative review and feedback can be upsetting, but y’all do great work, and post honest reviews from all I have seen. Keep it up, God won’t give you what you can’t handle. Love Y’all!!!
I purchased this A 10 from Nate. After several flights adjusting the CG it now Flys great. Not for a beginner flying jets. It's intermediate to expert flyer range. Nate would not lie in any video. When I first flew it, it was a😢 handful. Now it Flys great. Thanks Nate, keep up the good work.
I’m so happy to know that you’ve got it flying better than I was able to get it going!! That genuinely made my day to know you are getting some good out of it now 🙏👍😎💯⚓️
So, it was just a CG and neutral trim issue? Did you use the same Rx he had in it? I'm really shocked how poorly it flew for him, because I have flown literally every foamy A-10 on the market and this one is hands-down the best flying one I have gotten stick time on. The manual is lacking, sure. Especially since it does not show/explain the need for trimming the elevator properly for neutral flight. I suspect this is what his issue is/was. It makes me sad seeing this wonderful plane getting slammed so badly when mine flies like an absolute dream.
Hey, you warbird flyers, has anyone heard of "wing washout"? Recommend that you look at frame 0:21 where Nate has these A10's held to show both rear views. And take a look at the left-wing trailing edges, on out to the wingtips. Besides the obvious dihedral differences, the latter are not the same. Simply explained, without it, the wing tips stall first, especially when a slow speed, aileron only, banking turn is attempted. And look it up on RC airplane related websites explaining it!
I did a search - Suko's Hobbies channel did a flight video, and had a much better experience, so there is one video showing this model flying well. They didn't have the ordinance on the plane, and were using a gyro-stabilized receiver, but did have the same problem with the nose gear door. It's possible there might be something malfunctioning on your plane, but when it's intermittent in flight, that makes it very difficult to troubleshoot and repair.
Hey Guys Thanks again for sharing your time and experience with us all….i personally enjoy watching your videos because of your honesty and FUN that you both have enjoying this wonderful hobby of r/c….Love you both bunches……a friend from Florida Dave
It’s a long weekend here in Canada been hanging out with friends and family and watching TheRcSaylors happy flying all 😊😊😊⚓️⚓️⚓️
I'm not really familiar with all the drama between companies, but I like UMX planes which I understand are owned or distributed by E-Flite ..and Amen!✝
Unfortunate that the Freewing version is lacking. Really like the livery. The Eflite continues to be my favorite A-10 model.
At this point, I absolutely agree! Thanks so much for tuning in 🙏👍😎💯⚓️
Oh my your channel has grown. I haven’t been on SM or TH-cam since before the 2020 worldwide “situation”. Good to see your channel hasn’t been abandoned like soooo many other rc channels I grew to love.
Wow......... Nate and Abbie how are you two,? It's been so long I am glad you both are still pumping out TH-cam videos.
Your both are still my favorite rc channel. Nate I love those
A-10 Thunderbolts. That is my favorite Air to ground attack jet.
Thank you for your honest reviews. Now if you don't mind I have to catch up on all your
Videos it's been so long since I
Last been up to date with all your content. Keep up the
Wonderful work.
What has kept you from the channel? We’re glad you’re back!! 🙏👍💯😎⚓️
Great review guys.Always nice to hear your views on aircraft, I am sure it helps many people before they spend their money. 🙏🏻
I have flown a ton of Motion RCs planes and have found that the servos they use are not 100% and have replaced some with a better grade of servo. I don't know how much problems you have had with the Eflite, but having a lot of flights on it and having it look in your video, in nice shape, tells about getting about a better value. Keep up your honest reviews, it is refreshing to watch them. Nice runway as it is perfect for smaller wheels to take off and land.
You guys should remove the gear doors on that freewing and see if that feeling resolves or feels a bit better because having that front door drop intermittently could definitely cause some issues basically an air brake where there definitely shouldn't be one.... Also Goosky S1 PLEASE LOL
Hey Nate and Abby! As always, great honest video. Keep up your great work.
If that nose gear door is opening in flight that would 100% cause that proposing. Would be interesting to see it fly without that nose gear door on.
I agree! Would like to see another test without it, even if it’s only 5-10 minutes.
Thank you for the honest review/comparison. All you can say between these 2 planes is; it is what it is.
thank you for the honest review. yall rock!
Glad to see you guys doing what you love!!!!!!
It's pretty clear to me, spend the extra $140 and go 6S with the e-flite.
100% agreed in our opinions too! 👍😎💯⚓️
Great video Brother, God Bless you and your family!
@14:36 that nose gear door on the motionrc plane was clearly caught by the wind, so that's clearly a small issue, but that didn't cause the un-commanded roll after the gear was already down. There was some other reason for that weirdness (unknown). Others that have this plane don't have the particular problem you had hear, so that's unfortunate because it does fly well. The one plane that motion has that I really like is the L-39 in camo livery. If you haven't tried that one yet, it's a great jet.
Thank you for keeping it real!
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Anything you or Abby fly is awesome Nate! You could fly a Popsicle stick with a Q-tip propeller and a cotton ball motor and it would seem awesome!
Dude, you have really got to get better at using rudder to coordinate your turns. That Flightline A-10 was dragging it's backside through your turns. Remember, ailerons bank the wings but rudder initiates the turns, and elevator brings the airframe around. Add a touch of throttle in turns and try not to yank the airframe around. Pull the throttle back (slightly) coming out of any turn.
The airframe should not lose altitude or gain any if you're being smooth.
There is no mistaking the wingloading on the Flightline airframe is much higher, and the plane is darty as heck because of it. You need to increase your expo substantially so you're not overcontrolling that particular bird.
Fix that ridiculous floppy door! That is for sure causing headaches.
You’ve got a very fair point! I was not mixing rudder in (manual or programmed) on my banks at all. Maybe I was too distracted worrying about just keeping it airborn to be able to focus on making it look good, but I often fly casually with simple bank and yank maneuvers unless I’m actually focussed on that scale smooth look. 👍😎⚓️
Oh, I wanted to add regarding expo, I think I was locked in at 25% or 30% on ailerons, and 20% on elevator and rudder. Maybe 25% on elevator, but definitely in this ballpark. I forgot to mention that in this video 😬💯⚓️
Eflite did a great scale job on the a10!
Absolutely! They both have a very specific cool factor going, and I honestly like the way the Motion RC (Freewing) version looks too, but maaaannn…. It’s not very often I’d rather not fly something than fly it. 💯⚓️
Try the 80mm A10 from motion - freewing it flys really smooth an stable love it
I like your channel and the honesty, one channel that doesn't have integrity is camp drone or something like that he never gives bad reviews so he doesn't piss of companies. He would rather sell his audience crap than to lose a company paying him a buck or two.
Yes that channel is hated in the Fpv community
Just keep doing your reviews the way you do. ❤ them
Thanks for your honesty 🙏
Haters will be haters.
This channel is bare-bones honesty.
Nate's mouth often gets him in trouble...and we love his bravery. Traxxas doesn't. He ain't no fanboy.
I use this channel to help me learn, laugh a belly-full, purchase aircraft and radios and become a better rc pilot.
DON'T CHANGE.
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Keep up the good work I always appreciate your channel and honesty.
Thank you very much! We will catch some flak for this video, but to me, that just makes everything THAT much clearer at the end of the day. Really appreciate your support! 👍🙏😎💯⚓️
I’ve flown both Horizon and Freewing jets and both have good a bad from both. My Freewing AvantiS are fantastic! The Horizon F-16 is awesome. The Freewing big F-22 is awesome as well. My Horizon SU30 is heavy but flies well and looks good doing it. I appreciate your and Amy’s honesty concerning these models. You save us time and money from not buying duds and using our hard earned hobby budget on good aircraft. Keep up the good work you guys.
Lets see, a 10 channel Lemon receiver with stabilization and compatible telemetry for $54.99 would be more than enough for this airplane. I use quite a few Lemon receivers and they are excellent plus they don't cost $140.00!
Nothing wrong with the lemon receivers! We all love saving money. 👍💯😎⚓️
Eflite’s AS3x does a lot of the work to make a plane fly better. 😊 I suggest installing a gyro or flight controller for anyone. It will make a difference trust me! I fly fixed wing FPV UAVs with iNAV, and there is a big difference between and actively tuned and untuned aircraft. 😅
Appreciate you guys sticking to your guns on this one. I was in disbelief on the first video because I have multiple freewing planes and some are even my favorite! I’ve never had one perform so poorly. I love these comparison videos though. I would love to see the freewing f-16 70mm vs eflite f-16 70mm. Crazy to see how wacky this A-10 is. I love the 64mm F-22 and heard the 90mm is one of the best planes you can get! Would love to see those.
There's a few vids out there. Merryboozers did one. Eflites F16 basically hasn't changed since release. Freewings F16 has had many updates throughout and now full stabs on the elevator and the motor is stronger out the 2 these 2 things plus the most important resson, battery bay layout. Can fit a 5000 6s in there. Eflite you cant get it past the RX location. It's where I spent my money. F22 90mm is an awesome jet. I have 2. You should get one..easily big first edf and also one u can learn aerobatics with as you get more used to it. Flies unlike anything else in my hanger.
You Two..!!! I tune in to watch and get the honest scoop on things. So just take whatever "they" said about you trying to make a plane look bad, with a grain of salt and don't let it bother you. Great save prior to that emergency landing!! I thought it was gonna be a lawn dart but you recovered, stayed cool and made the landing. Well done!!! Great video and keep them coming!!
I just bought the Eflight air tractor! It flies great!
It’s definitely a plane that I’m still very fond of. Still in my collection!! 👍💯😎🤩⚓️
Love the video the A10s are beautiful 😊great piloting skills that fast landing was impressive 🎉
I like ur honesty and thank u for it don't worry about the haters. You've help me have fun in this hobby. Thank u again
I still have high hopes for the Freewing A-10, mainly because I LOVE the livery. As someone who has difficulty tracking fast high flyers that easily blend in with the sky, that's a huge factor for me. I like the esthetic so much, I'm willing to commit to it & dial it in. Hopefully a great addition to my hangar.
One other difference between these two A10's is one comes with a receiver and one does not. So the price difference is even less.
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You rock!! 👍💯🙏😎⚓️
I have owned many Freewing aircraft over the years, my favorite being thier B-17 and my least favorite was thier cub. The one thing they all had in common was horrible landing gear. Smooth asphalt fine, but could not handle a grass field. They fixed that issue than just fantastic planes.
Definitely looked like that flap came down suddenly & created an air brake causing the violent jolt.. Thanks for the honest review 😀
Thank you for the video its amazing as always and very helpful 💯💯👍👍😎😎
Maybe try reviewing freeewings new J-10A. That plane is top tier and one of the best flying planes right out of the box. Great scale features and finish too.
Might have e to check it out, if the company will even ship to us after showing an honest experience! 😬⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors the problem is that the experience is with one of their bad apples. Their average plane isn’t like this whatsoever. Their past five releases (besides the A10) have been top quality. I’m sure if you try the J-10, Gripen, or eurofighter you would not be disappointed.
I think it’s a good comparison, Always great to have different options and price points so hopefully most people can experience the thrill of flying an A10 😁 most beginners don’t really need 6S power anyways imo.. I wouldn’t want to start off with 6S which I’d think you could fly the Eflite on 4S also but it coast right much more though, I guess you get what you pay for at the end of the day 🤷🏼♂️ lol
Appreciate the head to head comparison of these two! The eflite definitely has that "on rails" look in the sky, for sure; but the freewing looked a lot better than the maiden with the CG fixes. I bet that with a similar ordinance config (not only does the ordinance add drag, but it also screws up the lift provided by the wing) and doing something about those silly landing gear doors/covers, the freewing would probably close the gap quite a bit. Still, it doesn't seem quite right. maybe it needs an incidence adjustment or something? eflite looks worth the added cost here for sure.
Maybe you should do more indepth into the mechanics along with flying. So we can judge if we can do the work necessary for it to fly
I did cover a lot of these other points in our maiden video. Please check it out and let me know if what you’re looking for is covered there. If not, I’d love to hear your thoughts! 👍😎💯⚓️
I would imagine that the e-flite airplane is a bit more stable, given that it appears to have a bit more dihedral on the outer panels.
That twist @ 15:00 was you stalling the model. Not being ugly, just keeping it real...
It’s possible that was a stall, yes. This model needs to cruise at just about full throttle to have any control at all over it. 😬😅💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylors Oh I hear you my friend, I've done the same thing with other models! All the best to you 😉👍😁🤙
Interesting educational video. Guess I need to WATACH the maiden again!! I'm observing you guys beginning to fall down the NEGATIVE rabbit hole and explaining your never waning honesty and family values!! The larger your channel grows the more negatives there'll be...show them no attention, cuz I don't want to hear about it!! NATE, Bob Ross yourself up again and remember there are no mistakes just lessons to be learned!! Thanks Saylors for everything you do!! ❤👍😎
Again that's what makes you all an awesome family because what you sell of yours goes to the unfortunate you're awesome keep on being yall
I just love my 6S 70mm FMS Yak-130. It has shock absorbers and strong gear. My 3S 64mm FMS F-35 is another amazing flyer. The Motion RC 4S F-22 flew poorly and lost a gear on every landing. I pulled the gear off and it flies a tiny bit better. I have been selling my Arrows and Motion EDF’s and saving up for FMS jets.
I think this is a first for me... I disagree with Abby. The comparison is apples to apples - of a different variety. If you think of one A-10 as a Mcintosh and the other as a Granny Smith I think you'll get my point (even if you disagree).
Ps. I get a lot out of most comparison videos and appreciate your doing this particular A-10 comparison.
Is there slopp in your flight controls?
So, as a matter of interest, does the Flightline have a receiver with AS3X in it or any kind of stabilization?
While some people can't handle the truth, others can't handle your honesty. You are correct to be committed to your values. Do not be dismayed by folks who don't agree with your values, there are many watching your channel who do...
My god man it's a 4s plane verses a 6s plane not to mention its cheaper .. Hello
You need to thank god for you ability to fly so well
I thank God for everything in my life 🙏❤️✝️💯⚓️
How about flying the Dynam A10 it's also 64mm 4s
I just wanted to share some feedback that might be helpful for future reviews. It’s great to see you all having fun, but it might be beneficial to handle the models a bit more carefully during reviews. When a product crashes during a review, it can sometimes turn potential customers off. Personally, I've skipped videos where a model crashed early on and looked for other reviews instead.
Nate, I understand you enjoy pushing the limits, but a smoother flight can really showcase the product's strengths better. Your reviews are important, and people rely on them to decide on purchases. You all are great people with a wonderful family, and it’s always heartwarming to see happy American families!
Regarding the model in this video, it didn’t seem like a good purchase based on this review. However, I’ve seen it perform well in other videos, which makes it a bit confusing. Maybe doing a thorough pre-flight check and sharing any issues or observations with the audience beforehand could help. This way, if something goes wrong, viewers know what to expect.
Overall, this was a good video, and that roll was indeed unusual. Keep up the great work, and I hope this feedback helps with future reviews.
If someone swapped a Spektrum receiver with SAFE and AS3X into the Motion A-10, would it compensate for the weird flight characteristics?
THAT is an intriguing question, worthy of someone doing some investigating. 🤔
So when you check your CG are you only checking fore and aft? Do you check the side to side as well. It just seems to me the wing coincidence isn't correct do you check that before flying? They make some really amazing foam airplanes these days. But I can't help but think that they don't fly as true as balsa without the flight stabilization. Maybe I'm wrong and should try a foamy.
I love the a-10 thunderbolt all I do is talk about that, I always wanted to get into flying rc planes specifically a-10 thunderbolt but most good rc planes are a lot, so sadly I can never start flying..
The Elflite isn't available in the UK. HH never bothered sending the Avian equipped version to the us and now the old version is all sold out that's it. Can't get one at all. That's what I dislike about HH. They choose where to send certain models. No one stocks the Eflite F16 80mm anymore we never got the TB scheme. So I got the FMS version instead. HH sell Chinese planes but they are too American and don't understand that there's other countries apart from them. Freewing however is available internationally and aren't naive/narrow minded with their selling/supply process.
I've had the exact same problems with my a10 up to the moment it dove itself into the ground. Tell everyone to kiss your arse
There's a lot of people out there that don't like the truth just for that Almighty dollar you know but that's what makes you guys the RC sailors y'all are truth and one awesome family so y'all keep up the good work
Controlled porpoise? So, basically, on porpoise?
HAHAHA 😂
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Check the speed of each motor, one may be running a little faster or have a blade that is broken. A twin EDF will fly weired if this occurs. Also I noticed that you cannot push the battery forward enough because of the nose wheel. The nose wheel should be off to one side, just like the real one. This would allow you to wiggle the battery forward more but Im seeing they have it blocked off with foam. Your CG would make this thing very twitchy.
All the external tanks and weapons will cause a lot of drag as well. Maybe take the tanks off and make fly both planes clean. Apples to apples so to speak.
I get it guys… it’s like comparing a Tekno buggy with an MJX buggy. I mean they are both buggy’s… but if I drive a Tekno all the time and then I drive a look-a-like MJX, the MJX drives terrible compared to the Tekno. So yeah, they can look the same but the one with the superior design/parts/electronics is definitely going to be a more enjoyable experience . So, I am right there with you guys🤙🏻
Move your CoG 10mm forward of the book position and fingers crossed you should end up with a stable flight. Totally, agree very frustrating to build
The twist was you cutting the throttle in a 45 deg bank, next time do a normal approach. The FW was more draggy because you had one additional set of armaments on it.
the question is not to know which plane is better than the other since the production of the eflite a10 has ceased and is no longer marketed.
but WHY eflite stops the production and sale of its best planes and releases toys for 300 dollars. while freewing continues to constantly release interesting planes and does not stop its production.
I'm wondering why there is so many posts, But You guys( Mr. and Mrs. Sailer) Are not responding to anything that is being said here? Let's keep in mind here its really simple Eflite makes some great planes, and I own many of them and Freewing Makes some great planes also, But I will say this they both sell crap, but I see no reason as a reviewer to cross that line with folks that support you financially and bring yourself to that level. Stick with the products and suppliers that feed you these planes to review and just keep your opinion about the others under your breath like most of the other reviewers do. Piece...
I've been other ground my entire rc career and would like to fly. What plane would you suggest for a newb???
That’s funny……
Because I too am a newbie and want to know which one is good for me to learn from.
My experience with a turbine A10 is that they nose down when throttle up, pretty bad when you have to go around or take off on a short runway.
Even flown an EDF a-10, same story
Awesome flying 👍 I just subscribed
Do not let that plane woop you Nate!!! lol
Have you ever seen the Frank Sylvester A-10 Crash video on TH-cam? If not, it’s worth a watch, but be forewarned about bad language. I mean, I think he demonstrates how we all feel at times in life, but he’s so good at vocalizing it!! Lol…. Seriously do not watch with young ones around. And all I can say is, at least I’m not the only one. It’s essentially the same exact plane in his video as ours, other than the new paint scheme. Please, tell him we sent you his way and I’ve gotta know your thoughts after watching it!! 😅😬🙏❤️⚓️
I like honest! Thank you!
Keep up the good work. There will be trolls that just try to push your buttons.
i really like your reviews but put a 4000 in that freewing and she will fly like a different plane. the eflite is still better in my opinion but give it one more shot so you can at least see how far off the cg is
You was way out there and it looked like something feel down to the ground
so thanks for your videos, I've been into rc. all my life. unfortunately a couple years ago my home burned down and my life long collection of 30 something planes, several helicopters, several trucks, and even a few boats all destroyed! burned up..... I'm just now starting to begin the hobby again... at least half of my airplanes were hand built by me, the lose of those ones hurt the most. anyway I enjoy your videos. thanks
Is the transmitter you're using a good one?
I’ve been pretty happy with its performance. Have been thoroughly testing it since I’ve gotten it and using it as my primary radio. Hundreds of flights on it with planes and helicopters and no issues from the radio. Might do a “review” on it down the road at some point 👍😎💯⚓️
@@TheRcSaylorsThat’s great! A review on it would be awesome since I’m considering getting it.
I'm a big Freewing fanboy (80MM A-10, Avanti, L-39, MIG-29), but it it was clear to me on release, that tje 4S FW A-10 is gonna be no good. I had the e-flite A-10 as well. The problem there is that it's flying with small 6S batteries (3000-3500 mAh) that you cannot use anywhere else. Therefore (and because I was mainly glying the 80mm A-10) I sold the plane.
As a fellow pilot, I can tell you that there is SOMETHING wrong with your FW A-10. Without being there in person to look it over, I can't tell you what it is, but my model flies FANTASTIC. I've got about a dozen flights on it now and it flies SO GOOD. I do have a Lemon Rx/Gyro on-board to help smooth things out with the wind, but my plane is no where near as squirelly as yours is. And honestly, I have flown all the foamy A-10s out there, from the UMX to the giant twin 80mm Freewing and this one, hands down, is the best flying one of them all. So, I suggest you don't give up on it and check and recheck your setup.
Not trying to plug myself on your channel, but here is my video if you care to see the difference in how this plane flew.
th-cam.com/video/o8XR1CKae6w/w-d-xo.html&lc=UgxXeTA-ohWXPxfCW1V4AaABAg
My only thoughts are; If you have a gyro, double and triple check the settings to make sure they're correct. Try using the magnet mod on the nose gear door I did to prevent it from opening in flight. I did not notice a big change in pitch when the door went down, but I could see if causing issues. Also, watch the last 20 seconds of my video and make sure the neutral position of the elevator is approximately how mine looks. Most A-10 RC models I have flown have some "up" elevator trim to fly neutral. Lastly, try flying it without the ordnance just to minimize potential factors.
I got the version 1 last year and checked everything before my maiden. Let me just say what a waste of money! Nosedived into the corn, need I say more!!
For the most part not everyone the freewing stuff is usually better in my opinion. Especially in the jets I own quite a few from both companies.
Nice recovery from a nose mounted, downward deflecting air brake.
Hey yall i was just wondering if you guys are gonna do a 700 size rc helicopter or something i think there really cool. I think nate would go a little crazy flying it lol. Anyway thank you for posting great videos. Love the reviews.