Rancho Cucamonga to Vegas high-speed rail receives $3 billion in federal funds
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- An ambitious project aimed at providing a high-speed rail connection between Southern California and Las Vegas received $3 billion in funds from the U.S. Department of Transportation, officials announced Tuesday.
Back in the 1970s or 80s, the Japanese Co Sumitomo who made the bullet train in Japan offered to build a bullet train between Vegas & L.A., as long as the land was provided to them free of charge. They wanted the publicity of building this so the whole U.S. would buy their bullet trains to run across the country. The oil and tire companies bribed government officials to fight against this & it never happened.
thats a shame.. what could have been... and now japan has the most efficient train system the world has ever seen and here we are chugging along, stressing over gas cost let alone traffic and accidents.
karma doesnt have a watch but its always on time.
And you understand that what we're doing is giving private for profit rail carriers tax dollars, while rail carrier workers were legislated as criminals for striking by Biden and Dems.
I don't know if someone is trying to be ironic, but this is pretty ironic.
That’s sad
@@jefffoutz4024 Google Chinese high speed rail.
You've got a lot to learn.
@@jefffoutz4024 you act like land cant be reformed. and it works so well in japan because they actually have bullet trains that speed through and around anything in remarkable time.
if brightline wasnt serious about this project they wouldnt have announced it. you dont think they have a way, they do obviously.
The hate for high speed rail even in local media is just ridiculous. Progress was slow in the past but things are moving now! Nothing is being stalled at this point
Mass shooters will flock to those things 😂
The media is bought and paid for by big oil and car companies to make rail and public transit look bad
"Progress was slow in the past but things are moving now! Nothing is being stalled at this point"
What are you talking about, the Governor said that Merced to Bakersfield is it for the foreseeable future.
First of all this video is about LA to LV.
But yeah, they wanted over 100 billion to complete CAHSR, remember? Apparently they got a 3 billion dollar funding package from the Federal Government for some reason, but that's literally 3% of what CAHSRA wants to complete phase 1.
The LA to LV one will be completed, as it's 95% private funding, and I definitely support private companies spending their own money to provide private transportation, but CAHSR is basically dead.
We will instead continue with the existing project to incrementally improve the coastal line (the one where the Coast Starlight and Pacific Surfliner and Capital Corridor go).
@@user-sj5ju4jb7t Like they have with every other thing in this country. You don't see people saying to close school because they're too dangerous.
@@user-sj5ju4jb7t Wait until you hear about shopping malls
California HSR isn’t “stalled”, it’s currently under construction. They have to build the viaducts first because it’s grade separated, which they are.
Stub line between Bakersfield and Fresno is being built but no other sections are being developed. Your hero Gov Gav has suspended the rest of the line. When the demonstration section is complete, ridership will be a joke. Running cost and maintenance will not. Keep in mind that the land is constantly subsiding from groundwater extraction which moves the tracks.
@@encinobalboa all the tracks are high up on concrete what you would use for highways they’re not on the ground
@@ypcomchic Footings are on the ground. Duh.
@@encinobalboaCA HSR is currently being built from Bakersfield to Merced and that will open by 2033. We can expect Merced to SF a few years after that and Bakersfield to LA soon after because they will be building multiple parts simultaneously during/after testing of the Bakersfield-Merced interim operating segment. It has not been suspended by Newsom, he just decided that the resources would be best spent completing the easiest part first (Central Valley portion). CA HSR even got a $3 billion grant from the feds yesterday that will go towards buying six electric trainsets for testing plus the design and contruction of trainset facilities, the Fresno station, final design and right of way acquisition for the Merced and Bakersfield portions, and overall construction in the Central Valley. In fact, the CA HSR Authority has only spent $11 billion so far since 2009.
@@weirdfish1216 Nice cut and paste. Development is still on pause.
I wish we had more trains ! Should’ve of been done decades ago not now
We tried, the money was and is still being stolen out in the Central Valley.
the money will never make to the train ,
trains to nowhere@@copyprint-fz2hb
Welcome to American government corruption
The best time to plant a tree was 30 years ago, the next best time is today.
Quick correction: Brightline in Florida is NOT high-speed rail
I agree. It's a fast train when compared to regular Amtrak, but it doesn't meet the definition of high speed rail.
I live in South Florida and that Brightline is a joke.
Brightline Florida is every bit as high speed as Amtrak's Acela, and it cost the people of Florida nothing. N O T H I N G.
@@genjaxx1463 I feel high speed rail are dedicated high speed tracks that don't cross traffic and is fully electrified (usually overhead catenary wires). A passenger train that crosses an intersection and takes out a truckload full of new cars (the "Oh my god" video) isn't high speed rail. Brightline are diesel engines powering electric motors.
@@tonyburzio4107 In September they got federal funding through the state, so it does cost the taxpayer money.
CA HSR is currently being built from Bakersfield to Merced and that will open by 2033. We can expect Merced to SF a few years after that and Bakersfield to LA soon after because they will be building multiple parts simultaneously during/after testing of the Bakersfield-Merced interim operating segment. It has not been suspended by Newsom, he just decided that the resources would be best spent completing the easiest part first (Central Valley portion). CA HSR even got a $3 billion grant from the feds yesterday that will go towards buying six electric trainsets for testing plus the design and contruction of trainset facilities, the Fresno station, final design and right of way acquisition for the Merced and Bakersfield portions, and overall construction in the Central Valley. In fact, the CA HSR Authority has only spent $11 billion so far since 2009 and construction only started in 2015 because of frivolous lawsuits.
CHSR l is a disaster. Did u hear how the Vegas train goes right in middle of I15? If CHSR went down middle of I5 it would much faster and CHEAPER. Just run a parallel train along the 99 route on existing tracks to connect with high speed. But NO, these corrupt govt jerks had to ruin it.
@@IanPunterthe original plan was to run the high-speed rail up the middle of the I-5. Unfortunately, in order to pass the legislation, democrats needed the support of central valley Republicans that wanted to reroute it up the 99 corridor. Republicans f***** California high-speed rail.
That is unacceptable for the progress that was made in almost 15 years. The LA to SF route is probably the most important route of the HSR project. I don't expect the CA HSR to be feasible until 2050 at this rate.
@@IanPunterThe central valley alignment makes more sense. The perks of HSR is that in addition to being fast, it's a train that can have many stations. Capturing millions of people on the way is a plus.
@@erichchan3 Construction has only been ongoing since 2015
The "before Vegas" train footage VS "after Vegas" would be interesting 😅
What do you mean, "...little progress..."?
Many of the grade separation projects have been completed.
San Francisco to Gilroy is being electrified as we speak and that is nearing completion.
Union Station is getting ready to make their CAHSR upgrades.
And we just got $3.1 billion from the feds to keep going.
CAHSR is on its way. Let's support this transformative and crucial project in the media!
Still will take another 20 years for completion at this rate for the LA to SF path
"San Francisco to Gilroy is being electrified as we speak and that is nearing completion."
You mean, SF to San Jose.
SJ to Gilroy is owned by Union Pacific and will not be electrified.
But CalMod is separate from CAHSR.
The governor said that for the foreseeable future, Merced to Bakersfield is it.
3 billion is literally 3% of what the CAHSRA wanted for Phase 1.
"Let's support this transformative and crucial project in the media!"
What's transformative about it? You can already get SF to LA in 1 hour by flying through the air. This would take at least three times longer, probably four.
Plus you sound like you're copying and pasting talking points with this post.
The Cal Train tracks that are being electrified will be used by the high speed rail trains and the money to pay for the electrification came out of funding for the high speed rail system.
@@Geotpf
"The Cal Train tracks that are being electrified will be used by the high speed rail trains"
No they won't. Because that's going Merced to Bakersfield, no further, for the foreseeable future, per the Governor.
" the money to pay for the electrification came out of funding for the high speed rail system."
That was part of it yeah. But that's irrelevant to the question of whether or not we should spend 100 billion on HSR, and the answer is no.
I live in California and I’m not gonna praise a project that’s been in the works since I was in elementary and has hardly gotten anywhere since then. Especially since phase 1 is connecting two middle of nowhere cities.
if i drive to rancho, I'm drving all the way.
You can take a Metrolink train from downtown LA to Rancho Cucamonga.
Depending on where in LA you are it can be very convenient just going to a Metrolink station or taking a Metro line to Union Station and taking the SB Metrolink line.
If coming from the Westside, South Bay, or south Orange County then it might be better to fly than drive or take the train.
Good luck because the drive to Vegas still sucks.
@@erichchan3 it sure does, thats why I fly, 1 hr flight for the price of a gas tank each way
@@dave3207this is the niche that the train will fill, at higher volumes and shorter boarding time than what an airport can provide.
@@TheNobleFive Higher volume? I seriously doubt that they will have more than two trains on that line. The airport will still be cheaper and quicker.
Brightline in Florida is not high-speed rail, KCAL! And, your report gets California High-Speed Rail wrong, too.
Yep and that's an important detail. Not being a true high speed rail, not requiring speeds of 200+MPH - are reasons why this Brightline project might actually have a chance.
Both the US and EU government define 150+ as high speed rail. Brightline Florida is only 125 so doesn’t count, but Brightline California will easily qualify
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I’ve always said that they should build high speed rails on the existing highway systems. Most of them have large medium areas. That a high-speed train could easily fit. Hopefully Brightline can do it and show California how it’s done and not take 15 years. They built out the one here in Florida pretty fast and everyone seems happy with it so far, I wish I did go faster though it’s definitely not high-speed but it’s nice and it’s modern compared to Amtrak
While I partially agree for the right-of-way, it's terrible for stations. Median train stations are reviled because they are difficult/dangerous to walk to, and you're asking people to stand in the middle of a freeway breathing fumes and dealing with the loud noise. Not to mention there's typically no walkable neighborhoods next to freeways. The best thing about trains is that you can fit them into a neighborhood where people WANT to go, can hop off and be there, and not doing that for the stations is a missed opportunity
Highway alignments and grades designs are based on a design speed for a car, which is much lower than a design speed for high speed rail.
It works well in this case, but the majority of interstate highways won't work for high speed rail
@@john-ic9vj Agreed, the news segment got the top speed wrong, 220mph is how fast CA HSR will be, not Brightline West, due to being in the freeway median. I think the actual proposed speed is 186mph
@@lucaspadilla4815 Rancho Cucamonga is building a mixed-use neighborhood around their metrolink station where the brightline station will be. So while most of the line is in a freeway median, the stations themselves seem to be off the freeway by a couple of miles.
@@kidtrunks2568 Yes, Rancho Cucamonga is doing good work on a pre-existing station
It's about time! Europe is way ahead of us on train travel!
FALSE. China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
I have high hopes for this projects
Watch, this one will be up and running before the high speed rail project LA to SF we voted for back in 2008...
It got ruined by other cities show horning themselves part of the track. I’m not never gonna ride if it ever gets done out of spite
That money was stolen by “consultants”.
Even better, it'll be up and running before the high speed rail project has track!
@@juanirdag "show horning"? Wtf is that
@@juanirdagOkay, unpopular opinion from a european, but adding 6 million people to the potential users is a tad more important than gaining 15 min on a much rougher terrain.
Japan, China and Europe can do it! Why can’t we?!
@@jason9532aahh from the beginning of time, there was the train, and so from that point on it became a part of the culture as fashion is to Paris, so are trains to Japan and China.
It has nothing to do with policy, lobbying, and destroying minority communities for highway infrastructure.
China: They dont have environmental review and whatever the govt wants, they get.
Japan: They built the Shinkansen in the 60s, during that time, like the US, they were really into building roads and infrastructure. Less people, less things inthe way, and more lax environmental regulations. Interesting note: people at the time complained about the Shinkansen being really overbudget but no one says anything about that no.
@@CaseNumber00 On top of that, America's economy is also heavily invested in oil and gas aka cars, so for these rich companies, why would they support building bullet trains/public transportation when it hurts their bottom line. Basically comes down to overall greed of these companies that lobby against these projects.
@@jason9532lol nice excuses there. Amsterdam’s population is something like 40% non-European and yet it remains one of the most connected and safest cities in the world. Berlin and cities surrounding it are also quite diverse and yet they still have great public transit. This isn’t about race my guy, try again.
@@notisac3149cars are status symbol in the US. Don’t agree with it but it is the way it is.
I'm confused, why is the private company getting federal funds, but the government owned CAHSR lacks funds?
CAHSR is not lacking funds for the currently planned work. Those opposed to the project claim a lack of funds for future segments. They also just got a grant for vehicle design and acquisition.
"why is the private company getting federal funds, "
Because their project is fiscally prudent
"ut the government owned CAHSR lacks funds?"
Because they want 100 billion to complete phase 1 and they made a stupid choice with route which ate up most of the budget we allocated to them in Prop 1A in 2008.
They were given 3 billion, the same 3 billion that Brightline is getting. Brightine is being a lot smarter about how they spend money.
Brightline is going down the median of I-15 just like CAHSRA should have with I-5.
@@bearinmind50
"Those opposed to the project claim a lack of funds for future segments."
No, we are stating a fact that there is a lack of funds.
CAHSRA wants 100 billion. They got 3.
That's literally 3%.
Each system is getting 3 billion from this particular batch of Federal funding. The state wide system is much more extensive that a straight shot to Vegas, obviously.
And including places like Bakersfield and Fresno in the system is important to make it a true state wide system. Also, the more straight shot is full of mountains, which would require large amounts of tumneling and bridges. The existing freeways have grades that are too steep for trains.
@@Geotpf
"And including places like Bakersfield and Fresno in the system is important to make it a true state wide system"
Not really, but you can do that while going down I-5. Just put a short line into Tracy and one into Bakersfield, done.
99 was the braindead way to go. And it wasted a lot of taxpayer dollars when I-5 was right there. They could have used the median of I-5 just like Brightline is using the median of I-15.
"Also, the more straight shot is full of mountains,"
Jesus, dude, you're killing me. You don't know anything about this stuff.
BOTH I-5 AND 99 INVOLVE TUNNELING THROUGH A MOUNTAIN. ONLY WAY TO AVOID THAT IS THE COASTAL LINE.
Get it done already! It's much needed and long overdue.. Ditto with the High Desert Corridor railway line to connect to Palmdale and the California HSR!
It isn't going to be four years. They're saying that to get funding. It wouldn't be four years even if they started building it today. Not even close. For a comparison, look how long it takes to build small segments of L.A.'s light rail network. No section, even ones that go a few miles, gets finished in four years. At least with California High Speed Rail, they are actually building something. The reporter kind of indicated it stopped. Not true. That will be a tough road, but the first segment should be running by about 2030. Again, it's not four years. Anyway, Brightline is also being built with public funds, but not 100%. Where do you think the $3 billion is coming from. That said, it will be awfully hard, if not impossible, to build rail without public funds. It's the way things are. The same with roads.
The union contracts are already signed. The $3 Billion is necessary because the highway department won't make changes to highways unless it comes from government money.
I pick up what you're saying, but building lines out in the open Mohave Desert, on vacant flat land already zoned for a highway, is a completely different ball game. I think if Brightline can somehow build a parking lot and 4 miles rail down in the SoCal metro area, the remaining 220 miles will be a piece of cake.
The Gold line had to build tons of grade crossings and acquire ROW. 96% of this train's ROW is in a median and basically no grade crossings need to be built. I'm skeptical of the 4 year timeline as well, but they finished their Florida project pretty quickly, so I'm hopeful.
China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
@@electrictroy2010 At least China, Spain and France have something to show for their debt (working high speed rail systems). In the U.S., all we have to show for $34 trillion of debt is $34 trillion of debt.
Does rancho even have a transportation hub to connect to other modes of transport?
It is an existing Metrolink station on the San Bernardino line, so trains heading from Union Station in downtown Los Angeles to San Bernardino and back already stop there.
It's a mistake not connecting it to a major existing hub/metro center to begin with but maybe they will expand later, or revise their plans.
Driving from OC/LA to rancho is already a mission, may as well stay in the car at that point. 😊
That laugh at 4:17 got me going 😂
Those 3$B will be gobbled up in consultant fees. In NYC, the remodel for Penn Station alone was over 4 $B and still rising. California's record with trains is just as bad so don't get your hopes up.
Luckily this route literally goes through the middle of absolutely no where so it wont have the problem that other projects have.
CA HSR in limbo?!?! Where have you been? It's being built right now and trains ordered.
Why the stop is in Rancho Cucamonga instead of closer to downtown. It’s still 40 miles away from LA downtown, hope they extend in future.
Because there’s already an existing rail between LA and Rancho. No point adding redundant parallel tracks. (Maybe someday, but not for the current plan.)
Yes, there is a Cucamonga!
i love the idea! but i think public transportation in and around the IE and Las Vegas has to improve. people take their cars bc of the convenience to move about the city. i get there and will have to uber everywhere? at the end it might cost more than a tank of gas or a flight.
The idea is it will improve once its built.
Well the IE already has Metrolink service from Rancho Cucamonga San Bernardino, and Riverside into LA.
And the Gold Line has slowly extended east from Pasadena.
@@CaseNumber00ahhhhhh 0:12
I’d rather take HSR then rent a car while in Vegas if I had the money. That is, opposed to just driving the whole way. Fortunately, I have no reason to even want to be in Vegas lol
Uber, have to pay for parking, get around Vegas? Have you been to Vegas? Strip is it man.
So when does this construction start?
2088 maybe 2200 if we’re lucky …
Early 2024. Expected to be open in 2028. All according to brightline west website.
Friday.
By the end of 2023
Finally the US is on board! I can't wait to see these trains running!
I'm from Spain (2nd largest HSR network in the world) and I can assure you that it's 100% worth it.
Your problem in the US is that it's too expensive to build, your paperwork for this kind of proyects are too opressive.
Spain loses money every year (see below). France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
It’s about fucking time
Great idea, but for it to work won’t Las Vegas need a mass transit system of its own to make getting around the Strip feasible?
That’s always the problem with these long train lines between major cities they want to put in. Because once we get to those cities, we want to be able to get around by train also. So really to start connecting America all the major cities need to start expanding their train systems at the same time so and then connecting the major cities were longer train lines. I mean it could be done I mean we built the highway system in a decade need to get off their ass and Washington and stop fighting with each other and do it.
Yep. That's why I'm curbing my enthusiasm, until Vegas decides to extend the LV Monorail.
@@Commonsenseisnotcommon8 I have a feeling that ANY attempt to get Americans out of their cars will result in massive cries of “woke tyranny” by the party/cult currently trying to turn the country back to the good old days/ways that ended with the Civil War.
Nonsense. Thousands of people fly there all the time. They don't seem to have a problem with getting around.
@FlightlessTraveller THE Highway system took 60+ years. From the first cross-country U.S-designated routes in the 1920s to the last mile of interstate laiddown in the 1980s (original Eisenhower plan not later additions). I don’t know where you get 10 years.
Ridiculous
Thank god.
do it avoid DUI
I will take it
It will be good seeing high speed trains being built in the US
@dms2331 OR Japanese trains built overseas & shipped here. They have 40+ years of expertise
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It won't be less expensive than driving. Look at the fares for similar length trips on the Eurostar. For example, the London to Paris Eurostar is a trip of about the same length. A ticket for this train costs $200 per ticket, one way. This is a highly optimized route, and a mature train system. Also, the London to Paris trip takes aver 2 hours, with no stops en route. The LA to LV trip is planned to have several stops. Is it worth $400 (for one ticket) to spend a weekend in Vegas?
Eurostar is known for abusing its monopoly to set ridiculous fares (I still have the conspiracy theory that the British government had a role in this considering SNCF and Deutsche Bahn operate nearly identical rolling stock to Eurostar but neither of them was approved for running trains through the tunnel)
I would refer to Madrid-Barcelona with fares as low as 20€
Is that any worse than GAMBLING away your money in Las Vegas?!
No. Not really....@@michaelrmurphy2734
The competition for any HSR system is air travel, not driving by car or coach (Greyhound bus, etc).
The whole point of HSR network is to take traffic away from both airports and freeways.
A city or state has to look at the big picture, long term by decades. This isn't about individual preferences.
@entized5671 China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
3 billion dollars might get you a train to Victorville. Then you're going to want to turn around and go home.
They'll charge $100 million per passenger. Will pay for itself in a few decades.
@@outlawbillionairez9780and the highway system is subsidized by taxpayers.
This line needs to start in Los Angeles, not a suburb an hour outside of town.
Probably would have doubled the cost of the whole project, if not more. Building a train line down the middle of a freeway in the desert (so free, flat land with nothing built on it) is a lot different than building a new right of way in the middle of Los Angeles. Rancho is actually closer than the original end of the project, which was going to be Victorville! Rancho is s good compromise; Victorville would have never worked.
So it will eventually go into downtown LA that would be phase two. It ending at Rancho is phase one. They are doing the same thing they did in Florida. Get the train running from Miami to West palm beach then they extended north to Orlando. It’s a phased approach but Downtown LA is the end goal
It does connect with the Metrolink which starts in Union Station or didn't you watch the video
Yessssss
I wanna go to slots of fun!
It's shut down. There's a few slot machines still in there but mostly empty. We walked over there after the formula 1 race😢. No more giant hotddogs
Bring slots of fun back!@@randyg.7940
It's NOT from L.A. to Las Vegas. It's from Rancho Cucamonga, up to 65 miles from parts of Los Angeles. Add the hour+ drive to Rancho Cucamonga, the hassles of parking-waiting-boarding, and then being stranded without a car in Las Vegas, why?
to be fair it'll connect with LA's regional rail service Metrolink at RC to get to/from LA. That's currently a 74-minute ride on their San Bernardino Line. People can and probably will drive as well, but having Metrolink gives them an alternative that I'm sure many will utilize, especially when Metrolink increases the San Bernardino Line to hourly service to meet every Brightline West train, something both are working together on to coordinate their schedules so transfer wait times are minimal.
Just because it's far from Santa Monica, does not mean RC is a bad location. It's well positioned for people living in the San Gabriel Valley and the western part of the Inland Empire--over 4 million people and much of the region's young population. It's not like putting it in Union Station would have made it that much better, it would have just disadvantaged a different set of residents.
Just like the "Los Angeles" Angels, Rancho Cucamonga isn't in Los Angeles, neither the city or even the county. Targeting the "young population" (who as a group have the least amount of disposable income) to be heavy users intuitively seems to be a bad strategy. I'm sure these battles were fought long ago before the project was approved. It's still a BOONDOGGLE!
@OLdweeb WHAT PART of “there’s already a rail from LA to Rancho” did you not understand? You don’t have to drive to get on this new Vegas train.
Dumbas. REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
@@electrictroy2010 - "Dumbas," can't spell. Can't read either. I'm against the Rancho Cucamonga to Las Vegas train. It wouldn't save me any time (over driving) to get from Woodland Hills (it's within the City of Los Angeles) to Rancho Cucamonga by ANY method and then transfer to the LV train. "Dumbas!"
Rancho Cucamonga??! Why can't it go to LA Union station?? WTH? It takes hours to drive out to the Inland Empire. That's not saving time from flying out of LAX if you live in LA
My thoughts exactly. I live in the San Fernando Valley. It would take me half a day to get to Rancho Cuca something.
AS STATED in the video you failed to watch, there’s already rail lines from LA to Rancho
China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
@@electrictroy2010 Hope it took you a long time to type that because i read none of it 🤡
@@SpaceyGracie_ it’s exactly people like u that are ignorant making this world not a better place
There are plenty of rail plans in the table. They are avoiding duplications. CHSR plan from Union Station to Anaheim near Honda Center. (But) before reaching Anaheim there is a left turn route to San Bernardino on the way to San Diego . Btw a Metro Link project which is high speed also from CHSR in Palmdale to Bright Line West in Desert Corridor of Victor Valley will be underway.
They are not putting up 12 billion
Grants state and federal and tax exempt bonds so that is also government subsidized
Let's see how long it will take us to build this before we run out of money.
They're gonna have a green color train!-Yay!
Yes and yeah of course California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
BUILD IT
What a hype desert heat , job logistics ,trafffic operators traveling to and from site high price gas and living conditions
The Bakersfield-LA segment will never be completed. At least the Vegas route looks promising
Important distinction is needed between California High Speed Rail and this project. CA HSR is dying because the law that created it is restrictive; it must have average speeds of 200+MPH. The Vegas/Cucamonga line doesn't have those restrictions; Brightline has more freedom to work around geographic and other challenges. This might actually work!
CAHSR's mandate is 2 hours 39 minutes nonstop travel between SF and LA, which for their 470-mile route is an average of 166 mph. By comparison, the fastest Shanghai-Beijing HSR service averages 181.4 mph.
@@ChrisJones-gx7fcAnd I imagine there will be both express and local trains. Express trains will be the ones neeting the 2:40 travel time; trsins that stop at all stations will be slower. Both will have places in the marketplace.
@@Geotpf exactly, it’ll just be nonstops that make that travel time. All the intermediate stations between LA and SF will have bypass tracks so trains can overtake each other. All other trains will have one of several stoppage patterns from local to limited, with all stopping in San Jose and Burbank Airport. Most limited trains will also stop in Fresno, Bakersfield, Palmdale, and Anaheim, while the remaining stations will be served by local trains.
CAHSR’s proposed operating scenario has six nonstops in each direction per day during peak hours, I assume three in the morning and three in the evening. Total trains is 105 northbound and 103 southbound, which over an 18-hour day from 6 am to midnight is one about every 10 minutes in each direction (midnight to 5 am will be inspection and maintenance of tracks and systems, and 5 am to 6 am testing and positioning trains at the terminals for the start of the day, just as the Shinkansen and I’m sure other HSR systems do).
Yes 2hr no problem.
What about a high speed train LA - Palm Springs?
Why would anyone goto Palm Springs? The parties are in vegas (every week)
I assumed it would be located at Union Station or something. I’m not driving 😮
DEAR TOO LAZY to watch the video. They said there’s an existing rail from LA to Rancho to get the new train.
Dumbas. REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
If they put it between the freeway lanes it will NOT go 200mph but will prob take longer then driving!
Driving is 70 max. Even on curves the train should be able to double that speed. (And 220 on straights.)
It works in Florida ❤🌴🍊🌞
It isn’t high speed though (150+ as defined by the US Congress and the EU Parliament). Brightline Florida is only 125
Now we could talk about it for another 20 years😄
about time, a large and prosperous country like the US needs high speed rail. Ridiculous it doesnt run from central LA to central LV tho
Fr Union staton sounds good
Rail already exists from LA to Rancho… no need to build redundant parallel rail. REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
If the average bullet train travels at least 200 mph, a trip from the west coast to east coast by bullet train would take about 12-13 hours.
The cross country train system we have now takes about 3-4 days to cross the country.
I hope they make them with fully reclining chairs that you're able to put back without disturbing the person behind you. Hopefully with paper covers for the head rest too for sanitary reasons because not everybody can wash their hair.
*Homeless people transported at high speeds!*
Where are all these rich homelesd people that can afford $50-$100 for a one way ticket? Stop being stupid.
Let’s hope the tropical storms don’t wipe away the tracks
Tropical storms in the desert? Nope. Not really a concern
I-15 through Mohave Desert hasn’t experienced a flooding event in 100+ years.
Finally
For the love of God just don't let the tracks be private. Infrastructure should be public, so that it can be used by competitors freely to create a strong market without having to contend with vendor lock-out. Also, this lets the government run their own services if need be.
I suppose since we currently don't have any high speed rail in America (Acela doesn't count lets be honest here), having private industries advance these projects can shed some light on their benefits to the American public. once more people want services like these, more public projects can be built, but we just need that spark to set off that interest
The internet is not public. Private lines. Ditto cellphones. Ditto landline phones. Ditto electricity & natural gas & propane for homes.
The original railways built in the 1700s/1800s and continuing into the 1900s & 2000s were not public. It’s private rail.
Airplanes are not public. The growing space industry is not public. Both privatized. REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
@@electrictroy2010 I'm super curious, if you counted all roadway expenses in the same way you are doing with railways, how much debt would those countries have from roads instead? The USA Interstate Highway System cost at least 500 Billion of today's dollars, so are Americans 500 Billion in debt as well? You can also easily make that ONE TRILLION if you use general inflation since the 50s.
And calling the Japanese Railways state-owned indicates to me that you have no idea what you're talking about. JNR stopped existing by the 80s in a famous case of privatization, the Shinkansen system in Japan is almost entirely private.
Are you sure you know what you're talking about?
Also, flying not public? My dude, do you have any idea how much the government spends on airports, airport connections, airport motorways, airline subsidies, airport subsidies...
BTW, high-speed rail is actually well-known in Europe for being one of the few public services that CAN cover its marginal operating costs. There are HSR operators that operate at profit right now such as Italo or Iryo. Of course it might not cover its capital costs, but neither do roads given the ticket price for most roads is exactly zero. Or most public services, really. What do we do, eliminate all services? No more cops? No more streets? No more sewers? You can have this privatized utopia now if you want, it's called Somalia.
They will probably lease their tracks to freight with their trains having priority but it defeats the purpose for them to build them if they just make them public.
That is going to change forever. That's the tip of iceberg.
NAH. China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
Not Orlando to cocoa beach that’s brand new exclusive high speed track
Why are all the reporters laughing?😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
Rancho Cucamonga isn’t LA it’s the inland empire. So anyone living north of LA would have to still drive to Rancho Cucamonga, that’s an 1.5 hrs, and taking the metro link to LA from the valley, would be ok, if the Vegas train left from LA, so no thanks.
The point is to give money 💸 to rail carriers. And striking rail carrier workers were made criminals under Biden and Dems legislation.
Metrolink has the San Bernardino line from downtown LA (Union Station) that stops in Rancho Cucamonga.
Union Station being centrally located means you can take any Metro or Metrolink rail line to Union Station and then take the SB Metrolink line to Rancho.
Granted Metrolink is not high speed rail, but it's still faster than driving particularly during rush hour.
And transferring at Union Station or in Rancho Cucamonga has generally been a non-issue.
I do this everytime I fly into NYC, btw. I take AirTran (a people mover), from the airport to the train station, then take the Long Island Regional Rail line into Manhattan, and transfer to anyone of the subway lines. I do the same in reverse on the way back to LA.
It's very easy.
i'll go every other weekend then.
I hope this project will become reality. This line will be built mainly within the right of ways of the interstate 15, and that avoids a lot of lawsuits from environment groups and private land owners. Those similiar objections are big impediments to the currently constructing north south HSR; more legal litigations, more mitigations, more construction change orders, more delays, more cost over-runs, and less public supports.
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Add travel time to the Train Station from almost anywhere in So Cal, and you will be lucky to arrive in Vegas in 4 hrs by Super Train !
Look at those 4 hours as time to watch a movie or do work (or sleep after too much Vegas partying)
***IE TO the LV*** ***💯💪💯***
lol??? I can do Vegas to LA in 2 hours now!! but im travelling at 3am though...
I love Vegas hate the drive if the price is right I would much rather take a train and relax and arrive there
If the train will have a good wifi connection, riders will be able do work on their laptops during that two-hour ride. Some could live and work in Las Vegas during the work week and then spend the weekends in LA with their families or vice versa. And Angelinos who do not want that long drive to Los Vegas or the risk of getting stuck in post-holiday grid lock on the way back to LA, could just take a relaxing train ride instead.
Needs to be one hour and have more stations to serve the population centers outside of LA. Otherwise it is destined for bankruptcy.
What population centers outside LA? There’s Riverside and that’s about it. (Everything else is too sparsely populated to bother.). REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
@@electrictroy2010 Dude, I know this already. I am just stating ways to try to mitigate the financial bloodbath that the unwilling taxpayer would end up footing. Try to approach it from the standpoint of say, the olympics. Every four years, some poor schmoe of a city somewhere on the globe falls victim to the swindle, and ends up getting shafted with the bills. There are two cities - just two - that have ever beaten the odds and made money off of the olympics. Los Angeles in 1984, and Atlanta in 1996. Which also happen to be the most criticized by foreigners for "crass" commercialism, but the fact is that for all the culture grunge they made coin. Those cities did their homework and did more with less and cost mitigated the crap out of everything to the point there was no way they would lose a cent. Mass transit, while being a public service, is in many ways like the olympics in that a select few people will use it and there is pressure to keep the costs down while keeping the pizazz up. Cities have to weigh the options of what can be done to make it a viable concern, or give up completely and find alternatives. With the case of LA-Inland Emoire to Las Vegas HSR, access is the name of the game because of the diffuse nature of the area. Serving downtown LA is nice, but nice don't pay the bills. They have to expand to make it work.
This is great timing. California needs $68 billion to fix deficit.
WOW! Priorities! SMH!
Why don't they stretch it all the way to LA Union Station?
Lol good luck with that. Running a high speed train through the streets of LA and the safety hazards and zoning and permitting. No thanks.
LA union station would be a nightmare if everyone had to go there.
Brightline will change the Center of Los Angeles to Rancho Cucamonga.
@@erichchan3 LA Union Station is accessible to millions of people. It would be good if there was a connection to there. I do not understand what nightmare you are referring to.
@@stuartrubin5730 Depends on where you live. If you live in West LA, sure but if you live in Orange County or the eastern LA suburbs that is a nightmare. Also this project doesn't need to be extended longer having to navigate through the train tracks of LA. I am pretty sure that they can't just operate at high rail speeds using the existing track infrastructure that is used by cargo, LA Metro, Amtrak that have slower speeds and traffic control. To build a new set of tracks with all the red tape would be ginormous and the project wouldn't finish until 2035 and costing billions of dollars more for the project.
Also have you seen the parking lot at Union station. Super tiny and impossible for even a thousand people to park their cars there. The Rancho Cucamonga location is building a huge parking lot where people can park their cars there while they take the train. This isn't NYC where the majority of the people do not have cars. If you need to go to LA union station from the Rancho Cucamonga location, take the Metrolink. The solution is already exists. We don't need more traffic flowing to downtown LA and it is already too crowded as it is already.
@@tonyburzio4107 lmfao that would be such sweet retribution for the IE after 100 years of getting non-stop sht on.
I would ride it.
So, when it derails, how many vehicles will it take out with it, is what I'm wondering?
Or more likely: A tractor trailer plows into the train on a weekly basis. What a mess.
@@electrictroy2010 Well, the BART train that derailed between Orinda and Lafayette in the Bay Area didn't make it to the road to disrupt the traffic there, but it is only a matter of time before the train does, or as you pointed out, a vehicle from the road hits the train.
Airlines need a competitor….
Airlines compete with each other. Just like Ford, Honda, Toyota compete with each other to get your car purchase. Airports have Multiple companies competing for your ticket purchase
China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
AT LAST!!!!! :D
The Shikansen HSR has been around for about 60 years, no derailment, no accidents, always on time and smoother than an airplane ride. Comparing this project only have 4 stations end to end. no right of way issues, mostly straight line rails, it is also shovel ready at this point and mostly private funding, this is the closes thing to getting it done here in US. This does not compare to CA HSR complexity at all.
FALSE. The Shikansen has no deaths, but it has derailed a few times, or struck other vehicles. It isn’t perfect. REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
If you live in l.a. you have to take the metrolink to rancho cucamonga first THEN Its a 2 hour trip from there. Or just take a 40 min flight.
From RC, its a 5 hour drive on a clear day, can take twice as long on a bad day. There are trains from LA that go to RC.
Don't forget the time it takes to process through an airport and get underway. A fast train will service this niche at higher volumes.
@@TheNobleFiveAny airport that is not LAX has pretty fast TSA checks. Like 20mins
Sober up on the ride home
I thought this was fully privately funded. Meanwhile there is no money to improve the terrible condition of I-15.
Los Angeles to Las Vegas in few minutes.-
Rauncho cacamonga is over 1hr 40 mins away from LA. this is some corrupt bs. This makes no sense
japan can do it, so can us.
Not a great job, Tom. Brightline Florida was recently expanded to Orlando, which you didn't mention. The CHSR is not stuck, work is proceeding and the first segment should be open in six years.
Use all that billion get these bums!
San Bernardino Ontario Pomona
Compton Long Beach Los Angeles
Solar panels , so no night trains ?
Or huge batteries to store daylight sun?
Of course there are losses charging And discharging batteries so more panels to cover losses .
Are you dumb? It said the train runs on electrical lines (wires above the track). So of course it will work at night. The solar panels only provide supplemental power (about 1%),
REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
Anytime i see billions invested in California, I'm vaguely reminded the drought is OVER.
? But is it?
I always want California High-Speed Rail in California and I always love California High-Speed Rail in California.😮
China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
do it from sf to vegas.
Why?
Good Luck.. 230 miles from Rancho Cuca to LV is only a 2.5hrs drive if you drive late at night to avoid traffic. That's nothing. And then you still don't have a car to get around Las Vegas.
Why Americans just waking up now, instead of 20+ years ago?! These trains should be available 2023
comon vegas BUILD THE MISSION TO MARS SPACE STATION MEGA RESORT WITH PLANET MARS AND Colony
….So when I get to L.A. I guess I’ll just WALK all over L.A., you know, since it’s such a walkable city! 🙄🤔🤷🏼♂️
Since it’s private, it might actually get done. If the incompetent CA govt gets involved, it’ll tank. That state’s govt destroys everything it touches.
How many times have we heard this saw the money eaten up by looking into it. AKA skimming the money and nothing ever happens.
This is a private company building the rail, so it'll be built this decade.
bryteline already made a rail line in texas. they're good for it. better than newson's plan from LA to SF.
@@matty6878you mean FL??
Brightline operates between Miami and Orlando, leave it to the CA media to get is wrong.
If Spain (a much poorer country than the US) can have an extensive network of high speed trains, the second in the world after China, why can't we? You'll see how fast gas prices and airline tickets come down. There's nothing like competition. In addition, you don't have the stress of driving, you don't have to deal with airports, you don't have to deal with pressurized cabins, and only one door to get in and out of a vehicle with hundreds of people. One would think that is a winning formula, but I could be wrong. People in most of this country are emotionally addicted to their own cars.
REALITY: China has built more miles of high‐speed rail than any other country with $800 billion debt. None of its lines are covering operating costs. (As a result, China is shifting to building more roads.)
France’s rail has debts of $70+ billion and has been repeatedly bailed out by the government. SPAIN built its system with a public‐private partnership. It is $90 billion in debt. The state‐owned Japanese National Railways has a debt of $550 billion. (Japan also has Highest debt to GDP of 300%.)
Railroads are an OLD 1700s technology that is obsoleted by faster, more flexible travel technologies. High-speed rail loses tons of money & is a bad investment.
The federal government doesn't have $3 billion. They will have to borrow it.
Billion here, billion there, one of these days Americans are going to discover this is real money that is now going to come out of their great grandchildren's pockets.