@@hamobu LOL yeah you could call it Kicking🤣 he's right I started behaving like this because people try and put words in your mouth and guessing your points of view rather than just listening intently to them. Like Richard said don't guess just let me speak.
If he didn't like it he'd walk out. He didn't like the way a question/statement was being framed so he explained he grievences (which will probably end up helping the interviewer in the long run). Nothing wrong with that. I wish more interviewees would do the same.
i came here to be impressed by him but left feeling he was a complete dick - he is merely resentful of anything that takes away his control. imagine a world where anyone could sign in to anything with no control governing system access... RS's world is fine when he gets to play command line god, if he doesn't have those privileges it's 'fascism' in his mind... just a noisy control freak
Great interview. It's clear the interviewer wanted to have a conversation where both sides build on a topic via dialogue. Stallman was not willing to allow his message to be hacked in that way and the interviewer complied. It was a difficult situation well handled.
It only shows that interviewer has no experiance and has no goals in that interview. If you want to ask about something you should ask and if someone want to give you some random text you should stop interview because you want to highlight person's point of view, but not higlight random thoughts and memories that have no connection with what you ask about.
I don't really see the jail on a Mac to be honest. Sure I cannot really recompile every part of the kernel but I can access and exchange pretty much any part above that should I have a reason for it. That is why stuff like Yabai is a thing. It can't really hide shit from you being a UNIX. That said, source code would be nice, but there is no jail just because I don't have it.
@@theharbingerofconflation the fact that you can't even fix your own hardware and no access to the source code is enough of a jail don't you think? I think the OP meant jail as in the "apple brand ecosystem". Many idiots think they buy apple and because it's pricy it must be good!
@@PsycosisIncarnated The Ecosystem isn't a jail as you can replace any part of that and while Apple isn't exactly helpful I am and have been fixing all phones and Laptops of theirs in the family for years just fine. The right to repair should be enforced, I agree with that. But I don't need the source of their entire OS. I also don't buy into the idea that all proprietary software is harmful. RMS himself has in the past propagated the dual licensing approach so long as it suits him. Richard is also a total control freak, with a history of killing projects funded by the FSF because they used a single proprietary driver (see Debian) or they are not maintained by someone who bows to him, see Savanna. Or or or. He's also still hung up "GNU/Linux" even Torvalds said it's a stupid term. I find all of his gatekeeping to be a jail.
@JonnySpeed you aren't so trackable if you're using a librebooted machine through tor. But oh yeah. Macs can't be librebooted at all can they? Also you're forgetting distributions like tails OS exist. Why precisely is macos 10 years ahead to Linux? You're using Linux mint as I understand it. The stable Debian distribution. So why are you praising Mac? I don't understand lmao
Everyone complaining about him cutting off the interviewer and not getting his opinions in. You should watch it again from the beginning realizing that Stallman knew that this is being recorded by a journalist who will write about his views. So he was being (considerably) polite while being assertive about his opinions, considering how easily and OFTEN journalists take your words and use it to convey their own stories. He was making sure his words are HIS and what the interviewer's preconceived ideas. Case in point: This video's clickbait title.
@Peter Lustig from what i watched from stallman, the difference is that he advocates for free software, while open source does not. open source implicitly let the corporate overlords profit without sharing. free software forces other software that uses free software to copyleft. i understand where your "lazy loser" comes from, and that he's somehow a fraud in your eyes. i really do, there's other software people i despise in a similar light. but there's nothing lazy about the free software movement at all. maybe it has to do with him being the only vocal advocate of it, whereby you think he's lazy because no other established person is out there fighting for this one concept.
@Peter Lustig He has tried what he can and mind it he is more intelligent then you. He wrote programs like GNU emacs which have lived for longer time then you. He is somehow right that open source and free software are not same since free software fights for your freedom and it is constantly working to warn users to not use proprietary software.
I have to respect and admire RMS for his consistency and loyalty to his causes, over the years. Many may not agree with his philosophies, but his heart seems in the right place, and he's always got good intentions, it seems, from the cumulative hours and hours of his lectures I have watched since around 2005. He's consistent: Same tee shirt, same beard, same hair, same stories (updated slightly, over the years) same quirkiness - God bless you, Richard Stallman, even though some may not agree, we are all God's children and you are trying to do the best for your fellow man. Take care all :) God bless you! :D PS: His catchphrase is _"During the 1970s..."_
It really makes me laugh when people say they wont use stuff he wrote, but they type it on a device with components of gnu on them and send them to a server running gnu/linux.
@Peter Lustig A lot of modern code is completely redundant, garbage code.. How can writing code in "modern standard" be looked as an achievement or good.. Please write something better or btfo
Nonsense, the interviewer was full of bourgeois attitudes and prejudices which most likely came from neoLiberal ideas in popular privately owned media.. If one hears the same old BS so often it can become irritating. Marxist Philosopher Slavoj ZIzek points out that ideology is ideas people do not know they have.. This seems particularly true for characters such as the interviewer who needed to be corrected repeatedly for making statements based on often posited assumptions, rather than making points based on actual/useful knowledge/depth.
@mars Cubed, Presuming you know what the question is before it has been properly formed and countering it is presumptuous, arrogant, and rude regardless of how "correct" you may be. Richard does exactly that in this video. Adults when we hear something irritating, listen fully and then rebut, children when irritated, instantly lash out. They lack impulse control. Richard Stallman is lacking in impulse control here. And yes it would make him an incredibly difficult person to hold a conversation with. As for the interviewer - I have no idea how "Bourgeois neoliberal" his presumptions were because he didn't get a chance to fully express any. The only sense I got was how "bourgeois neoliberal" Richard Stallman presumed he was.
Tim Novice You are doing the same as the interviewer .. making completely irrelevant and spurious points because you don't have an intelligent contribution to make and Stallman has made you feel confused and/or stupid. It is not very smart people who do things that try to make themselves feel clever. Smart people are far more interested in things that make them feel stupid. Bourgeois neoliberal refers to status driven individuals for whom doing well within the existing economic paradigm is a primary raison d'etre ,it generally refers to notoriously unimaginative and uncreative individuals.. It is a function of social being.. and not something you are likely to be able to grasp judging by your comments above.
Tim Novice Consider Joseph Stiglitz (and others) work on information economics. IMO it is very important as it identifies a key dynamic and problem emerging out of the kind of economy most people in the industrialised world live in today. NeoLiberalism, AKA ads and lobbies by more profitable companies, undermine information and even the languages that propagate such faulty information. ie, markets cannot solve problems by people (consumers) shopping around, There is a false assumption in classical and neoclassical economics, libertarian (etc) of "perfect information". In reality, profits are made by means of "information disparity"; ie, a trader having a computer nanoseconds closer to a trading floor, knowing more about market conditions than the other guy, lobbies, ads, hoarding information, copyrighting information, hiding information (deceptive or hyped labelling) etc. It is one of the reasons copyleft forums spontaneously weed out ads, proprietary junk, pay walls and other kinds of capitalist swindler. Because people want and enjoy and can utilise the kind of quality information that comes from open sharing. It is, something IMF's research department recently summed up rather well IMO, if read a certain way. neoLiberalism overrates "junk", including overrating neoLiberalism itself. Marketing, hype and other forms of dishonesty are the actual problem that leads to poor quality decision making.. It is a very deep concept IMO that affects many spheres, and something generated by the competitive nature of the capitalist rat race.. Places such as Mondragon have other kinds of dynamic, as do places of learning and Scandinavian countries.. to some extent. As more people discover, play and work socially and with free software and design, so things may change towards more open and high information quality systems. Hopefully you can get that concept and see its value. Hype is a harmful symptom of the problem. unnecessarily distracting and foolish waste of time. Better to try to address actual problems with quality information about open, free tools and solutions. However, this is also just one (complimentary) perspective one can take.
Stallman is an asshole, period. He might be forgive for that by his main fanbase, a bunch of socially inept aspergians who have problems understanding why you should respect someone and not be hostile toward them during an interview, but not by normal people, including linus himself. Stallman has simply gotten to the point where he believes all views that aren't his own are just not worth listening to. His interview with Brian Aker for example, Stallman was obnoxiously rude and defensive. Fuck Stallman, I honestly hope someone teaches him a thing or two the next time he talks over someone, personally insults someone like he did here, or accuses someone of "personally attacking" him by saying "you didn't answer the question".
not sure if you are under the impression that I am a fan or whatever, I am not. I personally not only not agree with the way he treat people, but neither with his philosophy. I just found funny how unprepared is most people that interviews him, and also a little puzzled why would they want to interview him on the first place.
His patience makes up somewhat for his tendency to confound and confuse (perhaps on account of him being a non-native speaker.) Stallman values speaking in a specise manner above all things. If it takes an "aspergian" to appreciate that, so be it.
+Null Yeah, he's a jack-ass. Very arrogant. Very pretentious. Very much on top of his high horse. I agree with some of his aspects (ie. pushing FOSS), but I'm not extreme about it like he is - there's very good programs out there that I *HOPE* aren't spying on me, but we'll never know for sure...and that's something I accept with very high quality non-FOSS SW.
@@oneandonlymoth He talked about kids consenting to adult activities if I'm not mistaken. Kind of similar to that online Atheist kid from Singapore that went off the deep end.
A truly free person and we - the society accustomed to slavery with the slave-mind... The difference in PoVs is so evident in this interview. I loved the guy!
Stallman has very good points and important ideas on how to confront the increasingly suppressive computer environment and I really want to show this interview to friends and colleagues but his insane arrogance in this makes it incredibly awkward and cringy to watch. Seriously? Stallman demands not to be interrupted and asks the interviewer not to "guess" what his answer will be, but he literally interrupts him constantly without even listening to the full question.
+MetalJakst3R Agreed. Even when the interviewer just agrees with him or nods or urges him on, Stallman still gets flustered that he's being "interupted". Stallman keeps acting like he's done talking, the interviewer notices Stallman seems to be done talking and tries to move onto the next topic, then Stallman decides he has something else to say and accuses the interviewer of interrupting him or guessing. I feel like to interview Stallman smoothly you'd have to just shut up and let him lecture. He doesn't seem interested in other people's ideas, thoughts or interpretations. His ideas are interesting and important but he's not the only human being capable of independent thought. He should have more respect for others. And I say this as a huge fan/user of GNU software. RMS is just a bad spokesperson.
+MetalJakst3R You nailed it. The guy deserves credit but also should listen ALL the question (even if he thinks he already knows what the questions is) and should be more humble. Period. This is not much to ask!
Yes, that's basically it. He's not that bad in his lectures and speeches, but the FSF should really consider getting someone else to do all the interviews and public relations. I mean, I get it, he probably answered the same questions a thousand times already, but there are still new people who are interested in free software and are possibly appalled by his attitude. It's only hurting his own work in the end.
yep he is an annoying asshole in the interview. Who cares what his points are if he gets irritating all the time. Accusing the interviewer of thinking hypothetical situations as if he has done anything practical for the last 10+ years
Well, the difference is that Linus never seems to do all the 'crazy shit' he does when not behind a computer. So, he may be just a keyboard warrior. Stallman has displayed temper tantrums numerous times in person.
I think he's clearly one of those people who had to "work on their social skills" as a kid, and it's probably still hard for him (perhaps Asperger's?). He interrupts the host a lot, but I don't see anything else particularly arrogant. And to be fair, if you look at other videos like this, he usually doesn't interrupt this much. (I suspect it's his response to not understanding where the questioner is going, or their accent). Linus is arrogant, but the arrogance he displays publicly is exaggerated for humor.
It seemed like he shot down any question that would be inconvenient to have asked. He just doesn't want to hear a scenario where his idealistic concepts fail to match with reality.
no you fool you absolute mongoloid he answered everything well and logically. None of the questions posed by that limpdick shite interviewer held any weight which is why they were so easily dismissed. That you're too fucking stupid to understand that is well and fine, but it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Lots of low iq fuckwits with top comments on this video for some reason.
This guy has so many issues. I guess people often say genius goes hand in hand with madness. I respect him for what he stands for, but I pity him for his personality.
I pity you for not being intelligent enough to follow what he's saying. It's not particularly marvelous or super high iq, and I don't see how you can claim he's mad when he's very clearly perfectly sane.
He's not nuts, but damn, he's talking economics and political systems. Clearly he knows nothing correct about the topics. He has some things to say worth hearing about freedom and privacy but he's grossly misinformed on capitalism and economic freedoms.
Dude, i felt sorry for you seeing you hold your recorder. Get a tripod or mic stand. ;-)
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It wasn't so bad. And a mic stand has the distinct disadvantage, that you get a recording with much more ambient noise, because the mic is not so close to the one who's talking.
I have one of those, but for two people, you need two of those and probably a mixer. I have one of those too, but I find it easier to hold the recorder. *g*
+Gary Edwards I think it's the other way around. Stallman only interrupts when he is interrupted. Pay attention to the way he speaks with anyone else. He is someone people should really look at when they want to learn how to communicate effectively. He stops the guy when he tries to pawn of two ideas as one. The way he and I see it - you talk about one issue at a time. If your point is at the end of a statement with another point (something that COULD be argued) then it is necessary to STOP (right there) and discuss the first idea, because just because "YOU" think something doesn't mean it's, "Right." What someone is saying to another person in these circumstances are, "Hey, here's this idea that you have to agree on that supports this next idea." Language is hard. Ideas are incredibly LARGE things and I think most people don't remember that. To communicate effectively it's important to be as clear as possible. That's the way Richard Stallman attempts to speak, and being a computer programmer - he does it incredibly well. People are always cutting people off, whether it's to just chime in and agree or we are just waiting for our turn to talk. Listening is turning your mouth off and to stop the urge to spout out whatever comes to your head.
+everennui You high? Stallman jumped on him while he was agreeing - that was plain as day, but that aside like 5x in here the interviewer didn't even finish the question before Stallman started ranting on something completely different. Talk about being interrupted? Did you watch the same interview I did? Interruption is a 2-way street.
What you guys don't contemplate is how interviewers and journalists use these techniques maliciously. For example, he will bring up a hypothetical kid who is peer pressured into using proprietary software. Then stallman responds that he doesn't have to give into peer pressure. Then he responds that there is a high suicide rate amongst children and not giving into peer pressure can be stressful so you killed a child by your insistence of free software. Journalists have baited people into these argumentative techniques before and politicians and people in the media have come up with their own tactics to prevent those types of arguments which is why you always get this kinda filler ingenuine responses.
The good thing about the way Stallman handles the interviewer, and the way the interviewer handles RMS, is there is some level of respect established. Eventually the interviewer allows RMS to say completely structured and nuanced thought streams. You cannot get this quality of interview in a typical MSM news 3 minute interviews, consequently, here on TH-cam we get some great ideas expressed with nuance. What is perhaps even more foolish than Apple users is the widespread misunderstanding of capitalism. Capitalism is not evil, but what we have in the USA and many other countries practicing neoliberalism is not capitalism, it is a corruption of capitalism that has done the exact opposite of capitalist principles in suppressing competition and loading the dice in favour of bigger corporations and wealthier people. This is Plutocracy not Capitalism. Brilliant the way RMS asks the interviewer to make precise questions and not assume or guess the interviewees thoughts. Far from making this annoying, it was down right entertaining, and I had to chuckle in many places. THanks for posting this.
Stallman is great. Always providing facts about his opinions and views. You got to respect that! He's maybe a bit hard to interview, but the interviewer should have done his homework before that and prepared.
Unbelievable. I don't think he let the interviewer finish a single question.
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I feel like there could be a book called "How to Interview Stallman with Probable Success". After watching this video you start to realise certain things, like if the host said "a lot of our viewers might think that... ...could you explain why that's wrong?" when presenting a hypothetical situation Stallman probably would've responded a bit better XD
Broadsword I completely agree with you. There’s nothing professional about the interviewer whatsoever. He keeps looking at the camera while chuckling at what Stallman is saying. Stallman is speaking to him like he’s a child because he’s acting like a schoolchild who can’t stop giggling and interrupting class.
5:55 ← The moment when I knew the interviewer didn't get it, latching onto words without understanding their context and what is actually being said. Richard Stallman shows a lot of patience here.
Wow, I think Matthias, the interviewer in this video deserves a medal for his patience. Richard goes on and on about fascism but doesn't seem to see that he himself is behaving as a textbook example of a fascist. Everything must be his way, there is no room for other thought, any deviation from what he believes makes him angry. And the reprehensible way he treats Matthias is unforgivable, how can anyone get this lost is beyond me. Look, I like the idea of free software, but Stallman should not be the representative of free software, he should spend his time seeking good counciling.
I guess, most people at one point disagreed with Stallman about free software, a lot still do. The truth though is, his predictions became reality. As he says in this interview, the facts support his claims. One of the most important voices in IT.
Richard Stallman needs is worldly famous for his contributions, But ... man o man! the guy is an "Obsessive Compulsive" Control Freak! He's trying to control the interviewer's phrases, what he should or should not do, what even he shouldn't think/guess and even his facial expressions during the interview.
Pope's Palace yeah. It’s completely unprofessional how he is keeps laughing and interrupting. A professional interviewer lets the interviewee answer his questions without interrupting and twisting what what he says into something completely different. God, I want to reach through my phone and slap that smug smirk off his fucking face!
Stallman is right, there is no excuse for having to buy a machine that obeys instructions neither you nor anyone hired by you are permitted to read. That is like allowing a complete stranger, possibly in Bangladesh, to have the electronics of your motor car sent to him to fix, and you give him carte-blanche trust that everything he does is proper. Trust, But Verify should apply here.
Stallman was either bullied too much as a kid, or not bullied enough. This interview is quite painful to watch, the interviewer cannot even say the first 3 words of his question because Stallman jumps in aggression at the challenge that the question will pose to him. I believe Stallman to be smart but no matter how many decades pass he won't be able to make things happen the way he wants them to because he doesn't understand that everyone else is not like him, don't work in the same business/circumstances as he does, ergo, have different needs, and these needs must be met or changed in a way that they can have free software provide a solution for them. If you have sight issues and I am an expert on engineering glasses, and I tell you that the glasses you wear are evil and unethical and you should not wear them, but that there are some glasses that are righteous, but these glasses don't correct your sight problems and that you should bear with the inconveniences of not using your evil glasses, hence, condemning you with the fate of being ill-sighted for the rest of your life unless you become a glass engineer yourself and make good glasses for you, when you work and support your family as a cook who knows nothing about glass engineering, then I am nothing but a useless idealistic.
Too much, per Wikipedia and quotes from Stallman. His parents were reportedly abusive, particularly his alcoholic father. But I suppose that upbringing may have helped form him into the guy that brought GNU and the GPL (and big chunks of Linux) into the world, so hey, everyone go ahead and beat on the brat with a baseball bat! 😉
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That... Is a very bad analogy. Good working glasses are essential, security is not. I understand corporations may feel the need for security in protecting their interests.
there is no such thing as "not bullied enough". Period. I rather think rms had a lot of time to think about these topics beforehand, and more importantly, and more importantly a lot of direct experiences, so it's hard not to get all those thoughts out. Afterall, rms devoted his live to this
+Rex2k10 Wow. You are somehow quite well-versed in only one side of the arguments, without even a hint that you have a clue what the opposition is. Him "shitting on" binary blobs has nothing to do with his computer not needing them. It's not that he doesn't want you to play your video games, he'd rather you be able to play them without binary blobs, because those are wrong. It's as simple as that. Same thing for all your other arguments - you miss the point in every case, especially for the very arguments that are refuted on gnu.org. What a one-sided rant. Gloats about how rebellious he is? Did you even hear his response to the "would you say you're a rebel" question? It seems you misunderstood his anecdote about ITS system's lack of security, too, because your analogies highlight non-issues per his explanation.
Stallman has great ethical standings and ideas but in this case the interviewer actually impressed me more. Being able to stand the arrogans of Stallman for an hour proves that the interviewer is a very calm and balanced person. Thumbs up for the interviewer.
I have a laptop signed by Stallman with Linux on it and I am immensely proud of it. I like his view. A lot of people are pragmatic about open source software. I prefer a moralistic and ideological point of view. Practicality is a construct of time ideas are forever.
Shubham Bhushan what makes paid software so immoral? Why can't a company or group spend time making software and charge money for it ? Like I'm really trying to wrap my mind around his opinion that paid company software is evil
Mexicomank2 Ya, I have no idea either I don't think he understands. Paid software is only bad if it restricts you from using the software that you bought or changing stuff in it. It should be free for the user to change
I think I figured out his reasoning. If you can't see the source code you can't look transparently at all the programs functions. Meaning it's possible for a closed source app to be spying on you with a hidden agenda. Making it inherently evil
I think people are misunderstanding Stallman here. He is by no means trying to be an ass. He just has no people skills. He is totally right about companies becoming too large. The big companies now dictate things. They pay politicians to write laws in their favor. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Intel, Nvidia, Microsoft etc.... They work to squelch competition and shaft consumers.
Michael O'Leary Oh man you sure sound intelligent, nice ad hominem too. Who's to say someone won't get the source code, look through it, recognized an exploit that someone hasn't found yet, compile the program, test it, it works, and then sells said zero day vulnerability? www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/awareness/security-concerns-open-source-software-enterprise-requirements-1305
ssuure, because the host/interviewer obviously knows better about free software and computers... its not like stallman founded free software foundation or a top software engineer.... flawless logic right there...
Well I like Stallman but he really gets insulted pretty fast here. Maybe he just wanted to provoke him explaining things more deeply maybe not. But this reaction was a but too much.
Makes me disappointed. I love stallmans view on free software. I always thought he was very humble. I have not finished watching the video and I was like, shit I dont know if I wanna. Since I always admired him so much. I hate people being rude, I find it so repulsive. But I'm not gonna judge him to fast. We dont know what happened before, perhaps theres something to this we dont know. perhaps theyve discussed something that made him angry before or whatever. im just saying, there might always be additional info to everything, we should not be to quick to judge. But I agree. I think he sounds way to cranky and easily disturbed.
I think that the rudeness is not Stallman being rude, but instead being firm. It's important to keep ideas from getting mixed up, and that is why Stallman can be a bit harsh - Someone mixes up ideas that are totally different. I think that in the end, with the example about the 16 year old student, he was a little too rough on the interviewer, but in the other cases he was OK. In the recent years of my life I've found that it's a lot better to be direct and firm with people than to let little things slip. People are bad at critical thinking so you must help them along sometimes, and if that means correcting them directly, then so be it.
Emily Rose The problem is introducing assumptions and theories, impose thoughts that are not necessarily false, but also not necessarily relevant to the issue.
+Elin Hagglund That's how I felt - he spoke at my university though and I attended because I admired him. My mind was changed VERY quickly by listening to him. Very condescending. Very arrogant.
I love R. Stallman. I think it's wonderful that he pushes back and insists upon clarity and accuracy. It's honest and real and actually demonstrates respect for intelligent dialogue.
28:40 THE warrior is speaking here. Profound respect. That's the ONLY sane way of living. Bravo, RMS, and I just wish that they can _hear_ what You're saying.
Golly...Stallman is right for the most part but his demeanor makes me want to disassociate myself from him or things he's associated with. I feel less and less bad for calling it Linux and not GNU/Linux Everytime I see him talk lol
100% correct, especially iphone and ipad are trash. IOS forces users to install apps from apple store, it doesn't even ship a file manager. This is my phone, I have the right to decide how to install apps and I need to know where some files are stored. Not to mention it is so inconvenient to share data between apple devices and PCs or other devices.
People like stallman & linus got a real soul, and help to inspire the world forward, and they can't be polite when you ask a stupid or fake question, because that politeness would do more harm, and makes these guys with perfectionism feel very uncomfortable.
Please see videos of Steve Wozniak or Elon Musk, be polite is not against to be a genius and with all his knowledge Stallman is not even close to the very kind and nice Woz.
This is my first time actually hearing Richard Stallman. Right off the bat? He's very rude, and overwhelming. Flaunts his opinions as if they were the only reasonable way to think about things, and demonizing anyone whose opinions may differ. I respect his position. I even agree with most of it. But where the engine team has done an outstanding job, the user experience team has failed to produce.
The clash of personalities here has me rolling, I truly empathise with Richard Stallman, I could listen to this guy all day like i can the great Richard feynman. And they would be happy to oblige. ♥️
I used to support Stallman, but in person he does come across as an opinionated and pedantic git. He becomes angry if someone disagrees with him in any way, he claims that ALL proprietary software is evil. I completely disagree with that - if people just gave away years of research and development, they'd be as poor as him. People deserve to keep an advantage for a time if, say they have developed a new game algorithm or graphic engine, or creative program. He seems to suggest that people should just develop everything on github and allow anyone to take it and give it away. Sorry, he's intelligent, but there's something wrong with his world view.
Alec Claire I'm probably older than you, and I have been a software and hardware developer for over 20 years. I've been a freelancer, and have developed and sold my old games for mobile phones, and also developed and sold my old circuit designs. I have also developed FPGA designs, which I do not choose to share. Sure, people can choose to give their work away - I've also worked on OSS projects in my spare time, however like most people I need to earn money to live. So, I believe I've far more experience in this area that yourself. The fact you are speaking to me in a rude and condescending manner suggests you are a kid / teenager who does not know the meaning of capitalism himself and has probably never had a job. Ask your parents why they need to work.
***** I actually currently run a software team of 15 people. It's not a "childs view of life". Both you and the other guy seem to be kids intent on having an argument by making ridiculous statements that everyone should work for no money, and generally throwing insults around, so I'm removing your comments.I'm sure you'll be highly successful in life if you choose to work for nothing. Have a nice day.
***** Carry on showing everyone what an intelligent little chap you are. Come on, throw out more insults. I'll leave them here for all to see. I'm sure you'll make everyone proud...
Stallman is correct and provided great insights and reminders to everyone. He has very strong will and opinions and backed by grounded philosophy, I really appreciate him. If I was to provide a feedback, hopefully the interviewer takes it constructively, there are many presumptions in the questions and preformed judgements and opinions which becomes very apparent but still did well to listen to him more. I still like him overall.
I don't care if he is the daddy of GNU, learn some fucking manners. The interviewer was so composed, never attacking Stallman, but Stallman took everything as an attack and wouldn't even let him speak. Then relating everything back to fascism? Get real, I can't take this guy seriously at all. I can see why Linus just let him talk at conventions, it was probably easier for him to deal with being the meek man that he is.
Also... while you are being interviewed on camera, maybe don't take care of personal hygiene? Right around th-cam.com/video/fkkDvKGcNSo/w-d-xo.html
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Obviously it's you who has zero manners or decency. You don't know anything about him , or Linus. You are just piecing together a patchwork of illogic from a couple minutes of hearing a few people talk on videos. What exactly are you trying to do for freedom or a greater good?
"A patchwork of illogical..." what? I think you forgot to complete your thought while you were raging on the keyboard. And I've seen enough videos of Stallman to know his philosophy is admirable, but his manners are shit.
LOL, here come the fanboys completely missing who is actually being interrupted in this interview. Suddenly "asking questions' is 'interrupting.' Stallman and his fanboys need a lesson in active listening. This is an interview, not a fucking speech. Get over yourselves. And seriously, don't fucking apply lotion and pick your ears during an interview.
Stallman always talks about users. But he never talks about Developers. Should all developers just freely give away all their hard work and not get any kind of compensation for it? What if they have no other forms of income? How do they live?
Connor Doherty Correct, but I'm not convinced that it would be financially viable. However, I don't think Stallman thinks their "right" to make a living as a coder is as important as the users right to be free.
I've worked at an open source company for the last 10 years. Our customers pay for support, training and customization, but they don't pay for a license to use the code.
Ok the thing is, he may be cutting the interviewer off, but once he does he makes concepts very clear to understand as he chooses his words very carefully.
Holy shit is he really gonna hold that thing for an hour?
If you fap a lot when you are young....you carry on the power!
EMBEDONIX Haha thanks I just realized an hour for me is nothing lol
Unless it's running free software...
You would need to replace the proprietary firmware (BIOS) with free software too, to make Richard happy.
Stallman is extremely dominant and pushy, and brutally intolerant of interviewers, but we love him anyway.
every Stallman's interviewer should begin with:
"Let's establish a protocol: You raise your hand when you finish answering"
So basically, Stallman is imposing oppressive restrictions on people who are having a conversation with him.
@@hamobu LOL yeah you could call it Kicking🤣 he's right I started behaving like this because people try and put words in your mouth and guessing your points of view rather than just listening intently to them. Like Richard said don't guess just let me speak.
Or just be respectful and let him finish.
I don't think Richard Stallman likes to be interviewed, I think he likes to give speeches.
you probably right, he tends to get annoyed easy with interviews
By people who don't have a clue about how to interview, of course.
If he didn't like it he'd walk out. He didn't like the way a question/statement was being framed so he explained he grievences (which will probably end up helping the interviewer in the long run). Nothing wrong with that. I wish more interviewees would do the same.
i came here to be impressed by him but left feeling he was a complete dick - he is merely resentful of anything that takes away his control. imagine a world where anyone could sign in to anything with no control governing system access... RS's world is fine when he gets to play command line god, if he doesn't have those privileges it's 'fascism' in his mind... just a noisy control freak
His control is YOUR control. OUR control. You're also conflating his views of the past which cannot OBVIOUSLY apply nowadays.
Great interview. It's clear the interviewer wanted to have a conversation where both sides build on a topic via dialogue. Stallman was not willing to allow his message to be hacked in that way and the interviewer complied. It was a difficult situation well handled.
It only shows that interviewer has no experiance and has no goals in that interview. If you want to ask about something you should ask and if someone want to give you some random text you should stop interview because you want to highlight person's point of view, but not higlight random thoughts and memories that have no connection with what you ask about.
"Steve jobs figured out a way to make computers that area jails to their users but make them so shiny that millions beg to be jailed."
Awesome quote!
I don't really see the jail on a Mac to be honest. Sure I cannot really recompile every part of the kernel but I can access and exchange pretty much any part above that should I have a reason for it. That is why stuff like Yabai is a thing. It can't really hide shit from you being a UNIX. That said, source code would be nice, but there is no jail just because I don't have it.
@@theharbingerofconflation the fact that you can't even fix your own hardware and no access to the source code is enough of a jail don't you think? I think the OP meant jail as in the "apple brand ecosystem". Many idiots think they buy apple and because it's pricy it must be good!
@@PsycosisIncarnated i just quoted the video. But i think that's one aspect of it.
@@PsycosisIncarnated The Ecosystem isn't a jail as you can replace any part of that and while Apple isn't exactly helpful I am and have been fixing all phones and Laptops of theirs in the family for years just fine. The right to repair should be enforced, I agree with that. But I don't need the source of their entire OS. I also don't buy into the idea that all proprietary software is harmful. RMS himself has in the past propagated the dual licensing approach so long as it suits him.
Richard is also a total control freak, with a history of killing projects funded by the FSF because they used a single proprietary driver (see Debian) or they are not maintained by someone who bows to him, see Savanna. Or or or. He's also still hung up "GNU/Linux" even Torvalds said it's a stupid term. I find all of his gatekeeping to be a jail.
@JonnySpeed you aren't so trackable if you're using a librebooted machine through tor. But oh yeah. Macs can't be librebooted at all can they? Also you're forgetting distributions like tails OS exist.
Why precisely is macos 10 years ahead to Linux? You're using Linux mint as I understand it. The stable Debian distribution. So why are you praising Mac? I don't understand lmao
Everyone complaining about him cutting off the interviewer and not getting his opinions in. You should watch it again from the beginning realizing that Stallman knew that this is being recorded by a journalist who will write about his views. So he was being (considerably) polite while being assertive about his opinions, considering how easily and OFTEN journalists take your words and use it to convey their own stories. He was making sure his words are HIS and what the interviewer's preconceived ideas. Case in point: This video's clickbait title.
@Peter Lustig from what i watched from stallman, the difference is that he advocates for free software, while open source does not. open source implicitly let the corporate overlords profit without sharing. free software forces other software that uses free software to copyleft.
i understand where your "lazy loser" comes from, and that he's somehow a fraud in your eyes. i really do, there's other software people i despise in a similar light. but there's nothing lazy about the free software movement at all. maybe it has to do with him being the only vocal advocate of it, whereby you think he's lazy because no other established person is out there fighting for this one concept.
You've got to be really, really high.
@Peter Lustig He has tried what he can and mind it he is more intelligent then you. He wrote programs like GNU emacs which have lived for longer time then you. He is somehow right that open source and free software are not same since free software fights for your freedom and it is constantly working to warn users to not use proprietary software.
He kinda did call Apple fanboys foolish tho tbh
Nice pfp
17:43 - apple talk
Sigurður Baldursson thanks but too late I watched the whole thing xD
47:05 - stomach talk
There is hope for humanity. :)
tysm
Thank you for saving me time by directing me to the part of the conversation i was solely interested in clicking on the vid.
I have to respect and admire RMS for his consistency and loyalty to his causes, over the years. Many may not agree with his philosophies, but his heart seems in the right place, and he's always got good intentions, it seems, from the cumulative hours and hours of his lectures I have watched since around 2005.
He's consistent: Same tee shirt, same beard, same hair, same stories (updated slightly, over the years) same quirkiness - God bless you, Richard Stallman, even though some may not agree, we are all God's children and you are trying to do the best for your fellow man.
Take care all :) God bless you! :D
PS: His catchphrase is _"During the 1970s..."_
God chose the foolish and weak to confound the wise and strong. God bless you too.
Yes God bless him and open his eyes. Ironically he supports a man in Sanders that would lock him up tighter than a drum🤷🏼♂️
It really makes me laugh when people say they wont use stuff he wrote, but they type it on a device with components of gnu on them and send them to a server running gnu/linux.
Pro tip: Mic stand
just hold the mic and shut up - richard stallman
hahahaha
When is it?
LOL
Right - *nobody* has the right to interrupt the *pope* . Some must learn the hard way..
"You're changing topics too fast and I haven't finished talking about this one." :-D
lol
Oh did he use that one again on this interview?
subject man, subject... topic is a proprietary word and it's harmful
@Peter Lustig A lot of modern code is completely redundant, garbage code.. How can writing code in "modern standard" be looked as an achievement or good.. Please write something better or btfo
@Peter Lustig He created GCC compiler dude...
a fucking compiler.
Here's what I learned from this 55 minute interview. Matthias Schüssler is a calm and patient man. Good for you sir :-)
God he's a tough dude to have a conversation with.
That's because there's no practical option here! It's too late, what the hell is he supposed to do?!
Nonsense, the interviewer was full of bourgeois attitudes and prejudices which most likely came from neoLiberal ideas in popular privately owned media..
If one hears the same old BS so often it can become irritating.
Marxist Philosopher Slavoj ZIzek points out that ideology is ideas people do not know they have..
This seems particularly true for characters such as the interviewer who needed to be corrected repeatedly for making statements based on often posited assumptions, rather than making points based on actual/useful knowledge/depth.
@mars Cubed, Presuming you know what the question is before it has been properly formed and countering it is presumptuous, arrogant, and rude regardless of how "correct" you may be. Richard does exactly that in this video. Adults when we hear something irritating, listen fully and then rebut, children when irritated, instantly lash out. They lack impulse control. Richard Stallman is lacking in impulse control here. And yes it would make him an incredibly difficult person to hold a conversation with.
As for the interviewer - I have no idea how "Bourgeois neoliberal" his presumptions were because he didn't get a chance to fully express any. The only sense I got was how "bourgeois neoliberal" Richard Stallman presumed he was.
Tim Novice You are doing the same as the interviewer .. making completely irrelevant and spurious points because you don't have an intelligent contribution to make and Stallman has made you feel confused and/or stupid.
It is not very smart people who do things that try to make themselves feel clever.
Smart people are far more interested in things that make them feel stupid.
Bourgeois neoliberal refers to status driven individuals for whom doing well within the existing economic paradigm is a primary raison d'etre ,it generally refers to notoriously unimaginative and uncreative individuals..
It is a function of social being.. and not something you are likely to be able to grasp judging by your comments above.
Tim Novice Consider Joseph Stiglitz (and others) work on information economics.
IMO it is very important as it identifies a key dynamic and problem emerging out of the kind of economy most people in the industrialised world live in today.
NeoLiberalism, AKA ads and lobbies by more profitable companies, undermine information and even the languages that propagate such faulty information.
ie, markets cannot solve problems by people (consumers) shopping around, There is a false assumption in classical and neoclassical economics, libertarian (etc) of "perfect information".
In reality, profits are made by means of "information disparity";
ie, a trader having a computer nanoseconds closer to a trading floor, knowing more about market conditions than the other guy, lobbies, ads, hoarding information, copyrighting information, hiding information (deceptive or hyped labelling) etc.
It is one of the reasons copyleft forums spontaneously weed out ads, proprietary junk, pay walls and other kinds of capitalist swindler.
Because people want and enjoy and can utilise the kind of quality information that comes from open sharing.
It is, something IMF's research department recently summed up rather well IMO, if read a certain way.
neoLiberalism overrates "junk", including overrating neoLiberalism itself.
Marketing, hype and other forms of dishonesty are the actual problem that leads to poor quality decision making..
It is a very deep concept IMO that affects many spheres, and something generated by the competitive nature of the capitalist rat race..
Places such as Mondragon have other kinds of dynamic, as do places of learning and Scandinavian countries.. to some extent.
As more people discover, play and work socially and with free software and design, so things may change towards more open and high information quality systems.
Hopefully you can get that concept and see its value.
Hype is a harmful symptom of the problem. unnecessarily distracting and foolish waste of time.
Better to try to address actual problems with quality information about open, free tools and solutions.
However, this is also just one (complimentary) perspective one can take.
Rule "minus one" of free software: If you interview Richard Stallman, you ask one question, then you let him talk for an hour. Do not interrupt.
52:35 "syntax error: I couldn't quite parse that..." -Richard Stallman
this is not an interview, this is keep your questions and listen what I have to say.
Stallman is an asshole, period. He might be forgive for that by his main fanbase, a bunch of socially inept aspergians who have problems understanding why you should respect someone and not be hostile toward them during an interview, but not by normal people, including linus himself.
Stallman has simply gotten to the point where he believes all views that aren't his own are just not worth listening to. His interview with Brian Aker for example, Stallman was obnoxiously rude and defensive. Fuck Stallman, I honestly hope someone teaches him a thing or two the next time he talks over someone, personally insults someone like he did here, or accuses someone of "personally attacking" him by saying "you didn't answer the question".
not sure if you are under the impression that I am a fan or whatever, I am not.
I personally not only not agree with the way he treat people, but neither with his philosophy.
I just found funny how unprepared is most people that interviews him, and also a little puzzled why would they want to interview him on the first place.
***** I didn't think that you agreed with him, I was just ranting.
His patience makes up somewhat for his tendency to confound and confuse (perhaps on account of him being a non-native speaker.) Stallman values speaking in a specise manner above all things. If it takes an "aspergian" to appreciate that, so be it.
+Null
Yeah, he's a jack-ass. Very arrogant. Very pretentious. Very much on top of his high horse.
I agree with some of his aspects (ie. pushing FOSS), but I'm not extreme about it like he is - there's very good programs out there that I *HOPE* aren't spying on me, but we'll never know for sure...and that's something I accept with very high quality non-FOSS SW.
dont make me angry, you wouldn't like me when i'm angry! STALLMAN SMASH!
hehehehehe
belly smash!!
Hahahah
Ok that was funny xdxd
23:02 ear wax + lotion = maximum moisturizing.
Yeah, RMS has a history of being gross...
He's aspy af, but we need people like him.
What did you expect lol
Isn’t he also rapey or am I getting him confused with someone else?
@@oneandonlymoth He did say some weird things (which he retracted) but he himself didn't do anything.
@@oneandonlymoth He talked about kids consenting to adult activities if I'm not mistaken. Kind of similar to that online Atheist kid from Singapore that went off the deep end.
A truly free person and we - the society accustomed to slavery with the slave-mind... The difference in PoVs is so evident in this interview. I loved the guy!
17:45 - opinions about Apple and its products
kex1xik to the top you go
Thanks! Most helpful. I have a huge admiration for Richard Stallman, but I came here for his comments on Apple, and not a 55 minute interview.
Stallman has very good points and important ideas on how to confront the increasingly suppressive computer environment and I really want to show this interview to friends and colleagues but his insane arrogance in this makes it incredibly awkward and cringy to watch. Seriously? Stallman demands not to be interrupted and asks the interviewer not to "guess" what his answer will be, but he literally interrupts him constantly without even listening to the full question.
+MetalJakst3R Agreed. Even when the interviewer just agrees with him or nods or urges him on, Stallman still gets flustered that he's being "interupted". Stallman keeps acting like he's done talking, the interviewer notices Stallman seems to be done talking and tries to move onto the next topic, then Stallman decides he has something else to say and accuses the interviewer of interrupting him or guessing. I feel like to interview Stallman smoothly you'd have to just shut up and let him lecture. He doesn't seem interested in other people's ideas, thoughts or interpretations. His ideas are interesting and important but he's not the only human being capable of independent thought. He should have more respect for others. And I say this as a huge fan/user of GNU software. RMS is just a bad spokesperson.
+MetalJakst3R You nailed it. The guy deserves credit but also should listen ALL the question (even if he thinks he already knows what the questions is) and should be more humble. Period. This is not much to ask!
Yes, that's basically it. He's not that bad in his lectures and speeches, but the FSF should really consider getting someone else to do all the interviews and public relations. I mean, I get it, he probably answered the same questions a thousand times already, but there are still new people who are interested in free software and are possibly appalled by his attitude. It's only hurting his own work in the end.
11 minutes in, I'm done!
yep he is an annoying asshole in the interview. Who cares what his points are if he gets irritating all the time. Accusing the interviewer of thinking hypothetical situations as if he has done anything practical for the last 10+ years
love how 20 min in to the convo he just starts lotioning his feet lmao
at least he does not eat anything off them like he did in that one speech
@@theharbingerofconflation I don’t know whether I want to see it, but do you have a link?
I am slowly learning how pause and cadence control are fundamental to healthy emotion free debate! Thank you Mr Stallman!
His arrogance makes Linus Torvalds seem like a lovable person.
Well, the difference is that Linus never seems to do all the 'crazy shit' he does when not behind a computer. So, he may be just a keyboard warrior. Stallman has displayed temper tantrums numerous times in person.
Except in the NVIDIA incident. Generally, he is cool. IMHO he was cool in the NVIDIA incident.
John Dunlap Linus is way nicer and smarter.
Wut, they're both lovable.. :p
I think he's clearly one of those people who had to "work on their social skills" as a kid, and it's probably still hard for him (perhaps Asperger's?). He interrupts the host a lot, but I don't see anything else particularly arrogant. And to be fair, if you look at other videos like this, he usually doesn't interrupt this much. (I suspect it's his response to not understanding where the questioner is going, or their accent).
Linus is arrogant, but the arrogance he displays publicly is exaggerated for humor.
Never trust Apple devices
I enjoy listening to Richard Stallman. We need more Richard Stallman's fighting this fight.
you tried to lead RMS in an interview, never try to control RMS just give him his subject and let him talk himself out :P
It seemed like he shot down any question that would be inconvenient to have asked.
He just doesn't want to hear a scenario where his idealistic concepts fail to match with reality.
no you fool you absolute mongoloid he answered everything well and logically. None of the questions posed by that limpdick shite interviewer held any weight which is why they were so easily dismissed. That you're too fucking stupid to understand that is well and fine, but it is better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Lots of low iq fuckwits with top comments on this video for some reason.
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@@satzbau9185 Chill out. Maybe you're right but do you have to humiliate cidshroom?
@@satzbau9185 You could probably explain why he is wrong, instead of, you know, being a child. I personally think he was right.
This guy has so many issues. I guess people often say genius goes hand in hand with madness. I respect him for what he stands for, but I pity him for his personality.
I pity you for not being intelligent enough to follow what he's saying. It's not particularly marvelous or super high iq, and I don't see how you can claim he's mad when he's very clearly perfectly sane.
He's not nuts, but damn, he's talking economics and political systems. Clearly he knows nothing correct about the topics. He has some things to say worth hearing about freedom and privacy but he's grossly misinformed on capitalism and economic freedoms.
@@satzbau9185How can you call him dumb and yet not understand he is simply talking about stallman's arrogance during the interview?
Dude, i felt sorry for you seeing you hold your recorder. Get a tripod or mic stand. ;-)
It wasn't so bad. And a mic stand has the distinct disadvantage, that you get a recording with much more ambient noise, because the mic is not so close to the one who's talking.
try a lavalier microphone
I have one of those, but for two people, you need two of those and probably a mixer. I have one of those too, but I find it easier to hold the recorder. *g*
Or set it on the table..
Rather "Ifelt sorry for you being just a mic stand"
Wow, it is impossible to have a conversation with this guy. The interviewer should have just hit record and left the room.
+Gary Edwards I think it's the other way around. Stallman only interrupts when he is interrupted. Pay attention to the way he speaks with anyone else. He is someone people should really look at when they want to learn how to communicate effectively.
He stops the guy when he tries to pawn of two ideas as one. The way he and I see it - you talk about one issue at a time. If your point is at the end of a statement with another point (something that COULD be argued) then it is necessary to STOP (right there) and discuss the first idea, because just because "YOU" think something doesn't mean it's, "Right."
What someone is saying to another person in these circumstances are, "Hey, here's this idea that you have to agree on that supports this next idea."
Language is hard. Ideas are incredibly LARGE things and I think most people don't remember that. To communicate effectively it's important to be as clear as possible. That's the way Richard Stallman attempts to speak, and being a computer programmer - he does it incredibly well.
People are always cutting people off, whether it's to just chime in and agree or we are just waiting for our turn to talk. Listening is turning your mouth off and to stop the urge to spout out whatever comes to your head.
+everennui that's obviously untrue, fe just look at the q&a section of the pantalk - he interrupts people almost everybody.
+everennui
You high? Stallman jumped on him while he was agreeing - that was plain as day, but that aside like 5x in here the interviewer didn't even finish the question before Stallman started ranting on something completely different. Talk about being interrupted? Did you watch the same interview I did? Interruption is a 2-way street.
lol human communication is not a TCP protocol - something Stallman clearly misses to understand.
What you guys don't contemplate is how interviewers and journalists use these techniques maliciously.
For example, he will bring up a hypothetical kid who is peer pressured into using proprietary software. Then stallman responds that he doesn't have to give into peer pressure. Then he responds that there is a high suicide rate amongst children and not giving into peer pressure can be stressful so you killed a child by your insistence of free software.
Journalists have baited people into these argumentative techniques before and politicians and people in the media have come up with their own tactics to prevent those types of arguments which is why you always get this kinda filler ingenuine responses.
"Stalin would've loved smartphones".They track you everywhere
Exactly
The good thing about the way Stallman handles the interviewer, and the way the interviewer handles RMS, is there is some level of respect established. Eventually the interviewer allows RMS to say completely structured and nuanced thought streams. You cannot get this quality of interview in a typical MSM news 3 minute interviews, consequently, here on TH-cam we get some great ideas expressed with nuance.
What is perhaps even more foolish than Apple users is the widespread misunderstanding of capitalism. Capitalism is not evil, but what we have in the USA and many other countries practicing neoliberalism is not capitalism, it is a corruption of capitalism that has done the exact opposite of capitalist principles in suppressing competition and loading the dice in favour of bigger corporations and wealthier people. This is Plutocracy not Capitalism.
Brilliant the way RMS asks the interviewer to make precise questions and not assume or guess the interviewees thoughts. Far from making this annoying, it was down right entertaining, and I had to chuckle in many places. THanks for posting this.
Stallman is great. Always providing facts about his opinions and views. You got to respect that!
He's maybe a bit hard to interview, but the interviewer should have done his homework before that and prepared.
Unbelievable. I don't think he let the interviewer finish a single question.
I feel like there could be a book called "How to Interview Stallman with Probable Success". After watching this video you start to realise certain things, like if the host said "a lot of our viewers might think that... ...could you explain why that's wrong?" when presenting a hypothetical situation Stallman probably would've responded a bit better XD
watching this on my iPhone, nodding my head
Richard Stallman seems to prefer monologues to dialogues.
maybe because this is an interview, not a dialog... obviously
I think Richard Stallman would prefer to give a speech.
To be fair this guy wasn't a very good interviewer.
Broadsword I completely agree with you. There’s nothing professional about the interviewer whatsoever. He keeps looking at the camera while chuckling at what Stallman is saying. Stallman is speaking to him like he’s a child because he’s acting like a schoolchild who can’t stop giggling and interrupting class.
Because the interviewer can't comprehend what kind of message that Stallman want to deliver to society.
Am a big fan of Richard Stallman, and I will forever remain thankfull for his creativity.
5:55 ← The moment when I knew the interviewer didn't get it, latching onto words without understanding their context and what is actually being said. Richard Stallman shows a lot of patience here.
I understand where Stallman is coming from. He was trying to avoid what we have with data collection today. I respect that.
Wow, I think Matthias, the interviewer in this video deserves a medal for his patience. Richard goes on and on about fascism but doesn't seem to see that he himself is behaving as a textbook example of a fascist. Everything must be his way, there is no room for other thought, any deviation from what he believes makes him angry. And the reprehensible way he treats Matthias is unforgivable, how can anyone get this lost is beyond me. Look, I like the idea of free software, but Stallman should not be the representative of free software, he should spend his time seeking good counciling.
I like both these guys but I really like that Richard Stallman doesn't allow his interview to paraphrase him. Great interview.
I guess, most people at one point disagreed with Stallman about free software, a lot still do. The truth though is, his predictions became reality. As he says in this interview, the facts support his claims. One of the most important voices in IT.
interviewer turns his patience up to '11'
Richard Stallman Is The Man Who Changed My Habits The Way I'm Using Computers !
Its hard to listen, cause they both continuously interrupt each other.
Richard Stallman needs is worldly famous for his contributions, But ... man o man! the guy is an "Obsessive Compulsive" Control Freak! He's trying to control the interviewer's phrases, what he should or should not do, what even he shouldn't think/guess and even his facial expressions during the interview.
He needs to work on his social skills.
You're right, the interviewer is awful.
Pope's Palace yeah. It’s completely unprofessional how he is keeps laughing and interrupting. A professional interviewer lets the interviewee answer his questions without interrupting and twisting what what he says into something completely different. God, I want to reach through my phone and slap that smug smirk off his fucking face!
States are not failing to do their job, their job *is* to serve the companies.
touche!
Stallman is right, there is no excuse for having to buy a machine that obeys instructions neither you nor anyone hired by you are permitted to read. That is like allowing a complete stranger, possibly in Bangladesh, to have the electronics of your motor car sent to him to fix, and you give him carte-blanche trust that everything he does is proper.
Trust, But Verify should apply here.
Watching this on a Corebooted Thinkpad X230, running Arch and i3wm :D
Too bad arch isn't supported by the FSF
Typical arch user making sure everybody knows
Convert your arch install to parabola.
First interview I watch with Stallman. I already love this guy!
"Edward Snowden is a hero".
I SO like how Richard talks. That's one of the most perfect styles I know of.
lucid rambling
lmao at anyone on earth hating on this guy. literally saving humanity from itself...
Stallman was either bullied too much as a kid, or not bullied enough. This interview is quite painful to watch, the interviewer cannot even say the first 3 words of his question because Stallman jumps in aggression at the challenge that the question will pose to him. I believe Stallman to be smart but no matter how many decades pass he won't be able to make things happen the way he wants them to because he doesn't understand that everyone else is not like him, don't work in the same business/circumstances as he does, ergo, have different needs, and these needs must be met or changed in a way that they can have free software provide a solution for them. If you have sight issues and I am an expert on engineering glasses, and I tell you that the glasses you wear are evil and unethical and you should not wear them, but that there are some glasses that are righteous, but these glasses don't correct your sight problems and that you should bear with the inconveniences of not using your evil glasses, hence, condemning you with the fate of being ill-sighted for the rest of your life unless you become a glass engineer yourself and make good glasses for you, when you work and support your family as a cook who knows nothing about glass engineering, then I am nothing but a useless idealistic.
Too much, per Wikipedia and quotes from Stallman. His parents were reportedly abusive, particularly his alcoholic father. But I suppose that upbringing may have helped form him into the guy that brought GNU and the GPL (and big chunks of Linux) into the world, so hey, everyone go ahead and beat on the brat with a baseball bat! 😉
That... Is a very bad analogy.
Good working glasses are essential, security is not.
I understand corporations may feel the need for security in protecting their interests.
there is no such thing as "not bullied enough". Period. I rather think rms had a lot of time to think about these topics beforehand, and more importantly, and more importantly a lot of direct experiences, so it's hard not to get all those thoughts out.
Afterall, rms devoted his live to this
sudo = fascism. ROTFLMAO!!! Good rant!! I love it!
+Rex2k10 Wow. You are somehow quite well-versed in only one side of the arguments, without even a hint that you have a clue what the opposition is. Him "shitting on" binary blobs has nothing to do with his computer not needing them. It's not that he doesn't want you to play your video games, he'd rather you be able to play them without binary blobs, because those are wrong. It's as simple as that. Same thing for all your other arguments - you miss the point in every case, especially for the very arguments that are refuted on gnu.org.
What a one-sided rant. Gloats about how rebellious he is? Did you even hear his response to the "would you say you're a rebel" question?
It seems you misunderstood his anecdote about ITS system's lack of security, too, because your analogies highlight non-issues per his explanation.
Richard Stallman has a Linux mind (incredibly vast) and an Apple personality, (constrictive and unable to have a two-way conversation with).
it's hard to find an interiew of stallman not becoming easily agitated
Stallman has great ethical standings and ideas but in this case the interviewer actually impressed me more. Being able to stand the arrogans of Stallman for an hour proves that the interviewer is a very calm and balanced person. Thumbs up for the interviewer.
I have a laptop signed by Stallman with Linux on it and I am immensely proud of it. I like his view. A lot of people are pragmatic about open source software. I prefer a moralistic and ideological point of view. Practicality is a construct of time ideas are forever.
That's so cool ! what laptop ?
Shubham Bhushan what makes paid software so immoral? Why can't a company or group spend time making software and charge money for it ? Like I'm really trying to wrap my mind around his opinion that paid company software is evil
Mexicomank2 Ya, I have no idea either I don't think he understands. Paid software is only bad if it restricts you from using the software that you bought or changing stuff in it. It should be free for the user to change
I think I figured out his reasoning. If you can't see the source code you can't look transparently at all the programs functions. Meaning it's possible for a closed source app to be spying on you with a hidden agenda. Making it inherently evil
Mexicomank2 hmm
He is not an easy interview. A very interesting mind.
I think people are misunderstanding Stallman here. He is by no means trying to be an ass. He just has no people skills. He is totally right about companies becoming too large. The big companies now dictate things. They pay politicians to write laws in their favor. Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Intel, Nvidia, Microsoft etc.... They work to squelch competition and shaft consumers.
Sweet Jesus.. I like free software but this is just insane.
Some would say insane is an understatement.
+Roger H. Newell It's a war and they want your data and your freedom
+Andrew Ryan Let's not use hyperbole. There is no "war."
Rogelio Guerrero Yes very true, I just use that term to refer to the controversy between free and not-free
the war has been won and they have your money!
"Don't try to say I'm wrong, cuz that makes me angry". Sounds like fanatical religious people.
thats the point being open hack found faster and fixed idiot...
Michael O'Leary Oh man you sure sound intelligent, nice ad hominem too.
Who's to say someone won't get the source code, look through it, recognized an exploit that someone hasn't found yet, compile the program, test it, it works, and then sells said zero day vulnerability?
www.sans.org/reading-room/whitepapers/awareness/security-concerns-open-source-software-enterprise-requirements-1305
I see you have nothing to say, Michael. Yet another freetard with ultimately nothing to say.
ssuure, because the host/interviewer obviously knows better about free software and computers... its not like stallman founded free software foundation or a top software engineer.... flawless logic right there...
Null because that recompiled code would be open source too and would be recognized for having malicious software installed.
This man has a strong arm holding that recorder up for so long.
Torvads - * Uses 11" Macbook *
Stallman : " aPpLe FaNbOyS ArE FoOlIsH PeOpLe"
Torvalds " Bruh...."
.....
Stallman : * releases GPLv3 *
Torvalds: * sticks to GPLv2 *
Stallman : "Bruh..."
Strategy 100
Restoration 100
@championchap honestly GPLv3 and 4 are a mess to code under. There is more attribution happening then work actually getting done.
Well I like Stallman but he really gets insulted pretty fast here. Maybe he just wanted to provoke him explaining things more deeply maybe not. But this reaction was a but too much.
Makes me disappointed. I love stallmans view on free software. I always thought he was very humble. I have not finished watching the video and I was like, shit I dont know if I wanna. Since I always admired him so much. I hate people being rude, I find it so repulsive. But I'm not gonna judge him to fast. We dont know what happened before, perhaps theres something to this we dont know. perhaps theyve discussed something that made him angry before or whatever. im just saying, there might always be additional info to everything, we should not be to quick to judge. But I agree. I think he sounds way to cranky and easily disturbed.
elin hagglund lmao @ that haircut
I think that the rudeness is not Stallman being rude, but instead being firm. It's important to keep ideas from getting mixed up, and that is why Stallman can be a bit harsh - Someone mixes up ideas that are totally different. I think that in the end, with the example about the 16 year old student, he was a little too rough on the interviewer, but in the other cases he was OK. In the recent years of my life I've found that it's a lot better to be direct and firm with people than to let little things slip. People are bad at critical thinking so you must help them along sometimes, and if that means correcting them directly, then so be it.
Emily Rose The problem is introducing assumptions and theories, impose thoughts that are not necessarily false, but also not necessarily relevant to the issue.
+Elin Hagglund
That's how I felt - he spoke at my university though and I attended because I admired him. My mind was changed VERY quickly by listening to him. Very condescending. Very arrogant.
415 Apple fanboys were offended.
I love R. Stallman. I think it's wonderful that he pushes back and insists upon clarity and accuracy. It's honest and real and actually demonstrates respect for intelligent dialogue.
28:40 THE warrior is speaking here.
Profound respect.
That's the ONLY sane way of living. Bravo, RMS, and I just wish that they can _hear_ what You're saying.
RMS, thank you for freedom
+Pavel Evdokimov What OS does Stallman use or what distro? I'm new to Linux
+Andrew Ryan There's a Trisquel sticker on his laptop so my bets are Tirsquel :)
Richard Stallman is a great human being with admirable values. Hard to find people like him.
so pedophilia is an admirable value?
Golly...Stallman is right for the most part but his demeanor makes me want to disassociate myself from him or things he's associated with. I feel less and less bad for calling it Linux and not GNU/Linux Everytime I see him talk lol
Well you got it wrong, he prefers the term Linux over GNU/Linux, he doesn't like Linux and GNU being coupled by default in that way.
I respect Stellman for all that he has done but why he cannot let the interview speak out. Some may think that he is arrogant.
100% correct, especially iphone and ipad are trash. IOS forces users to install apps from apple store, it doesn't even ship a file manager. This is my phone, I have the right to decide how to install apps and I need to know where some files are stored. Not to mention it is so inconvenient to share data between apple devices and PCs or other devices.
People like stallman & linus got a real soul, and help to inspire the world forward, and they can't be polite when you ask a stupid or fake question, because that politeness would do more harm, and makes these guys with perfectionism feel very uncomfortable.
Please see videos of Steve Wozniak or Elon Musk, be polite is not against to be a genius and with all his knowledge Stallman is not even close to the very kind and nice Woz.
Dave M. elon musk is not a genius lol...he's a scammer
This is my first time actually hearing Richard Stallman. Right off the bat? He's very rude, and overwhelming. Flaunts his opinions as if they were the only reasonable way to think about things, and demonizing anyone whose opinions may differ.
I respect his position. I even agree with most of it. But where the engine team has done an outstanding job, the user experience team has failed to produce.
"Ja, it rubs the lotion on its skin; I agree."
best part of this was just watching the awkward dynamic.
no one cares what the bald dude has to say... just let RMS say what we need to hear...
The clash of personalities here has me rolling, I truly empathise with Richard Stallman, I could listen to this guy all day like i can the great Richard feynman.
And they would be happy to oblige. ♥️
Did he just put skin cream on his feet while giving interview?
He is the one of the greatest mind, but...
There's a video where he literally picks something off of his foot and eats it in the middle of a lecture.
I think Richard just didnt realise that people like the interviewer get really excited to see role models like himself.
What laptop is that? Lenovo Thinkpad?
Clouds are for rain, not for your data.
I used to support Stallman, but in person he does come across as an opinionated and pedantic git. He becomes angry if someone disagrees with him in any way, he claims that ALL proprietary software is evil. I completely disagree with that - if people just gave away years of research and development, they'd be as poor as him. People deserve to keep an advantage for a time if, say they have developed a new game algorithm or graphic engine, or creative program. He seems to suggest that people should just develop everything on github and allow anyone to take it and give it away. Sorry, he's intelligent, but there's something wrong with his world view.
Alec Claire
I'm probably older than you, and I have been a software and hardware developer for over 20 years. I've been a freelancer, and have developed and sold my old games for mobile phones, and also developed and sold my old circuit designs. I have also developed FPGA designs, which I do not choose to share.
Sure, people can choose to give their work away - I've also worked on OSS projects in my spare time, however like most people I need to earn money to live.
So, I believe I've far more experience in this area that yourself. The fact you are speaking to me in a rude and condescending manner suggests you are a kid / teenager who does not know the meaning of capitalism himself and has probably never had a job. Ask your parents why they need to work.
*****
I actually currently run a software team of 15 people. It's not a "childs view of life". Both you and the other guy seem to be kids intent on having an argument by making ridiculous statements that everyone should work for no money, and generally throwing insults around, so I'm removing your comments.I'm sure you'll be highly successful in life if you choose to work for nothing. Have a nice day.
*****
I didn't bother reading your rambling, incoherent garbage. Deleted :)
***** You finally show your true colours. I've deleted your racist response.
*****
Carry on showing everyone what an intelligent little chap you are. Come on, throw out more insults. I'll leave them here for all to see. I'm sure you'll make everyone proud...
Stallman is correct and provided great insights and reminders to everyone. He has very strong will and opinions and backed by grounded philosophy, I really appreciate him. If I was to provide a feedback, hopefully the interviewer takes it constructively, there are many presumptions in the questions and preformed judgements and opinions which becomes very apparent but still did well to listen to him more. I still like him overall.
I don't care if he is the daddy of GNU, learn some fucking manners. The interviewer was so composed, never attacking Stallman, but Stallman took everything as an attack and wouldn't even let him speak. Then relating everything back to fascism? Get real, I can't take this guy seriously at all. I can see why Linus just let him talk at conventions, it was probably easier for him to deal with being the meek man that he is.
Also... while you are being interviewed on camera, maybe don't take care of personal hygiene? Right around th-cam.com/video/fkkDvKGcNSo/w-d-xo.html
Obviously it's you who has zero manners or decency. You don't know anything about him , or Linus. You are just piecing together a patchwork of illogic from a couple minutes of hearing a few people talk on videos. What exactly are you trying to do for freedom or a greater good?
"A patchwork of illogical..." what? I think you forgot to complete your thought while you were raging on the keyboard. And I've seen enough videos of Stallman to know his philosophy is admirable, but his manners are shit.
Lol, what? Oh boy.. don't hurt yourself.
LOL, here come the fanboys completely missing who is actually being interrupted in this interview. Suddenly "asking questions' is 'interrupting.' Stallman and his fanboys need a lesson in active listening. This is an interview, not a fucking speech. Get over yourselves.
And seriously, don't fucking apply lotion and pick your ears during an interview.
He doesn't want to be interviewed. He just wants to tell a story.
Stallman always talks about users. But he never talks about Developers. Should all developers just freely give away all their hard work and not get any kind of compensation for it? What if they have no other forms of income? How do they live?
It's perfectly fine to sell Free software. It would still be libre, no one said it has to be gratis.
Connor Doherty Correct, but I'm not convinced that it would be financially viable. However, I don't think Stallman thinks their "right" to make a living as a coder is as important as the users right to be free.
I've worked at an open source company for the last 10 years. Our customers pay for support, training and customization, but they don't pay for a license to use the code.
I get paid for my time and for the time I give support. It can and has been done.
Legend says, Stallmann never let anyone finish a questinon.
Great information, as usual, by Mr. Stallman.
It's a real shame that so many are dumbed down by the corporatocracy. All the best!
The interviewer should have studied Stallman's personality at the same level as Stallman studied the history of Switzerland.
47:05 Best part of the interview :D
hehe, sometimes one has to burp to get an idea across :)
Leon van Kammen Yup, almost like Dr. Rick Sanchez ;)
@@bonbonpony my little poneyyy 🐴🐎
interviewer: I agree there
Richard Stallman: in any case ....
That's what happens to 'know it all folks.' Really bugs me. Stallman, respect goes both ways.
Ok the thing is, he may be cutting the interviewer off, but once he does he makes concepts very clear to understand as he chooses his words very carefully.
Stallman really is a difficult person and combative
you would be as well if your idea is being crushed by corporate interest!!!
thats a good point
I approve of both traits. Why be a doormat?