Hello Driver. So glad you were able to spare some time to drop by to catch today's upload. What is your take on the Emissions Friendly Engines? what have your experiences been with them? Love to hear your thoughts.
Don't blame the engine manufacturers for these problems. These companies were mandated by the government to produce smoke free emissions engine. It all goes back to government control 😮😢
I had an accert cat and sold it to buy a 1996 Pete with a redtop Cummins. Best move I made in 35 years of owning trucks! When I purchased it, it was in desperate need of an overhaul. My local shop overhauled it with genuine Cummins parts and I replaced everything including air compressor, turbo, water and oil pumps for less than $17,000. It's set at 525 hp and gets over 7 mpg. And NO emissions BS!
The most dependable, reliable , inexpensive to operate and maintain for a O/O in American trucking industry is DETROIT SERIES 60 12.7. No offense to Cat and Cummins boys out here. Great engines. But , the ole Detroit 12.7 will go in history.
You're absolutely correct. Mechanics were never trained because there were no schools on the emissions system to go too. Every manufacturer did things different. The company I worked for bought 2 Macks with DEF. One ended up under the lemon law. The other is a spare. The old mechanical engine trucks kept the company going.
Literally sitting on an exit ramp doing a regen right now, in a 2018 peterbilt w/ paccar engine. Nothing to do but browse youtube for the next hour or more.
I'm living proof on these def trucks, I bought it with the company saying everything was fixed, boy, was I wrong, not even 3 weeks in running the egr cooler went out, injectors, and the dpf filter went out, cost me right under $14,000. I am a single owner operator, and am going under because of these pieces of crap. I am now considering either trading up to an older truck or just quiting driving altogether. I am looking for a good jew lawyer to sue the EPA, FMCSA, and the DOT(ha ha good luck right?) But I do think truck drivers should get together and TRY to make big brother pay for our repairs since they are the ones mandating this stupid ideology of cleaner air and cleaner emissions. What a joke..
I agree . Been a company driver my whole time driving . Started in 2006 when I was 21 . The pre emission trucks down to the truck with a mechanical engine are more dependable and reliable . These emission trucks are total garbage .
Im kind of amazed engineers haven’t figured these out by this point. I knew after 2007 there would be a few years of teething problems but it’s amazing that all these years later the same problems persist. My brothers friend just shut down his trucking company and sold off all his trucks. He had 15 similarly equipped Kenworth W900’s all with Cat 3406’s. i can tell you he got a pretty penny for all of them. Amazing how much the value of these 1990’s trucks have gone up since they’re so much more reliable
I run 21 cascadia dpf sensor went out around 75k miles, no issues since. I run electric apu, i never idle except red lights and stop signs. In my opinion idleing will kill emission engines. Keep the engine hours as low as possible :)
If I could build trucks in my own Factory they would be replicas of the Peterbilt 359 extended hood with Cats 6 and 4 All mechanical gauges everything If I was the head of the government in charge of trucking I would promote independent truck stops all over the country I would double the freeway system big carriers wouldn't be subsidized by the taxpayer bonuses would be paid to independent truck drivers with the good safety record and just to keep things on the safe side no loaded trucks grossing over 65,000 no log books
This whole emissions regulations and EVs situation is political. The best thing one can do for the environment is to keep an old car/truck running. Just remember that when these big corporations and governments legislate something it's seldom for the good of the people
Great video! I agree, however, someone new to owner op would have a hard time getting financed on a 20 year old 1-2 million mile rig. Old trucks break down too, those costs aren't much cheaper than new trucks, just different issues.
Dont worry about putting def in your truck. Wait till Edison Motors are able to retrofit your rig with electric axles and a recharging Cat generator. I hope this def fluid is banned for the eco lie that it is.
As a diesel mechanic for over 45 years, I do not see how an owner operator can afford the emission loaded trucks. A check engine light will leave a truck beside the road. If an emission filled truck is more efficient, it'll eat ever bit of savings and twice the cost in repairs and parts. Now the Biden administration is trying to force electric vehicles down our throats, and there will be NO repairs by the owner operators because of the lack of knowledge and software to support it. This is also driving the cost of transportation through the roof.
You can't beat a pre emissions engine i don't care if its Cat Detroit or Cummins you really couldn't go wrong overall with either compared to the crap they have today i would without a doubt pick 1 of the 3 i listed before I go emissions
22 crapcadia day cab averages 6.5 mpg and never pulls over 20k governed at 73. We have one pre emissions truck with manual trans. I enjoy driving that truck every chance I get
A few years ago my tractor went into limp mode, turns out the DEF pump was cracked. The tow truck operator said 70-80% of business is related to the DEF system .
There are many videos of old trucks being resurrected and put back on the road. Of course they can't go to California with them but most of those drivers don't go there anyways. I've also learned that most mechanics would prefer an old mechanical truck any day. A nice truck doesn't have to be a new truck.
Driving a 2017 Volvo with a Cummins ISX. Had it since new and it's the very worst truck I have ever had in 44 years of trucking . Between the ELD and emission engines the government has taken all the fun out of trucking. I just drive this truck until the check engine light comes on. The stress both bring to my life isn't worth it , and i can't wait to retire in a couple years and just play with OLD TRUCKS.
i agree with you partner like the old saying goes the more things change the more they stay the same and that has held its truth for many years now newer trucks are not worth even buying have a good rest of the week and ill be looking for the next video you put out.
I absolutely hate the computer garbage on my 2020. Garbage. Had it 2 months, and I've had a 1 box an six injectors replaced as a radiator. Almost $40k in warranty repairs already. 12 days downtime.
Yup. Im a company driver for now. Dealing with emissions issues cost me $35,000 and I eventually went the delete route to try and save the engine. Delete wasnt done right and engine needed rebuild. Did that for another $45,000, still deleted. 14 months later started pushing coolant. Sold the truck as is and will never buy another emissions truck again.
Its tough being an owner operator but I wouldn't do it any other way By the way, Lord have mercy on you if you're caught with that egr and Def deleted .
Anyone making the jump from company driver to owner op needs to buy an '07 or older, preferably an '03 or older (no egr), with a Detroit, and a manual transmission. They are exponentially cheaper to repair and maintain. Any shop can work on an old Detroit. The night shift kid at TA can fix it. Or a decent shade tree mechanic. Or watch some youtube and fix it yourself. Parts are cheap(er) and easy to find. It's not about your comfort. It's not about style. It's about making (and keeping) money. Let go of your ego. No one cares what your truck looks like, especially not the shipper. You'll get paid the same rate as the brand new pretty truck in the dock next to you, and keep more of it in your pocket.
I work and an ag dealership, and we once sold a 35 hp lawnmower with pretty much every option in it. I wasn’t even half way through setting everything up, and with 1.5 engine hours it already needed a regen. It was sold for 60k Canadian, and was a complete and udder nightmare for the one summer the owner had it until getting rid of it. Not only garbage, but embarrassing for the dealership selling as well. As far as other things are concerned, def pumps seem to die constantly, updates do practically nothing, and most owners have problems anytime we get real cold weather. Being in Canada, one cold week will keep us busy fixing for a month. Unacceptable
Diesel mechanic of 22 years. Was trained on these early to current DEF systems. Always a headache. The majority of the problems are from the drivers who do not tell the shop when the truck needs a burn. Or the light was on so long. We had to go on a road call and use the computer to do a burn. 80 percent of after treatment issues are driver related. Don’t get me wrong. These systems still suck 😂
My 2020 cascadia 475 k miles only expense is oil change so far never had single check engine light on very reliable truck made m lots off mont past 3 years Monymaker truck
Don't get me started! Everything is DOOM AND GLOAM TAKING WITH TRUCK DRIVERS!👍 Unless your a CRETE DRIVER WITH 30 years says he's going to retire a MILLIONAIRE?🤔😲
I'm with you it's been a boondoggle from the beginning it just made certain people Filthy Rich and other people biggest fault here goes to government bureaucracies truck drivers and owner operators have to pay for it
07 is when I started seeing the entire trucking industry beginning to implode on itself. I retired in 2020 and am I glad. The trucking industry is a complete disaster and cesspool that will never make a comeback! Trucking is trash now and will forever stay that way now!
How many of these engines were actually unreliable? None of them! You are talking about peripheral add on components that are problematic. Much of the problems with emissions devices is opetator error, as in butt loads of idling! I have news for ya. Try getting parts for a 20 year old truck! I know firsthand. I have a fleet of trucks all older than 1992 model year! The first thing you learn is you better own a microfiche and reader for your truck, or own a subscription to parts diagrams to get part numbers. Once your truck is old enough, a dealer will not be cooperative on parts service unless you have a part number in hand. And sometimes they don't even help then, which relegates you to online or mom n pops. Used parts for the old trucks get hard to find in serviceable condition. As some of my trucks pass into the 40 year range its becoming a real challenge to keep them going. A lot of adaptation goes on to fit non-native parts, or outright fabrication! Then there's finding someone who either will, or even can work on your truck! Older mechs aren't too inclined to take on antiques due to the issues getting parts, or even the numerous problems with potentially poorly maintained trucks. A mechanic around 40 today probably at best came into his work during Stage 2 or 3 diesel emissions, which was just using the HEUI/common rail fuel systems and VGT turbos. These younger guys have no clue about older trucks due to not touching them frequently, if at all! So, be careful how you present this advice. There's no down time incurred like that of a 20+ year old truck with a inexperienced wrench who can't find parts! One saving grace is the future of electric. Its there, the technology just has to catch up to heavy trucks, and it will. Hopefully the butt ugly styling changes from the current looks. One thing a owner operatir could do is buy a very cheap worn out truck and rebirth that truck as a hybrid electric. A hybrid uses a diesel powered generator to charge its batteries, which on turn power the electric drivetrain. Its efficient, and you have all the range and more of a conventional diesel with way less fuel used. I have converted 2 of my trucks to hybrid. Its saved a lot on fuel costs. Their drivetrains were all at complete out of frame overhaul, so i was spending money one way or the other. There are more than just fuel cost savings too. You get tax breaks, have a super quiet truck with barely any vibration, very fast fuel ups! + + + +. Trucking is never going to be what it was prior to the 70s, so quit crying about it and the future. Costs are passed on if you're a smart businessman. Change happens. Just look forward and move in that direction. There is no more miserable of a person than a crytit looking to the past that will never come again.
you are exactly right my 88 freightliner with a 3406 cat engine got 10 miles to the gallon the 2010 prostar I bought got 5.5 mpg at best and was always being worked on, the prostar made me go broke and file bankrupt so I got out of driving altogether.
This is exactly one of the many reasons why oldschool Kens & Petes are expensive as hell ( $500,000 or more depending on how mint), oldschools are way more dependable, reliable and safer on the road then this new eco Bull$H!T. The aerodynamics con game is just a selling point.
My thoughts are that in 10 years they will ban all non emission engines. My son has 2 petes 2006 and a 15 likes his 06 alot more do to the repair bills i do agee with that.
Hi ! What ? Fuel in the DEF tank ? wow ! i wonder how they did that ? I would believe more possible to put the DEF in the fuel tank ! So, if you can t get an old truck 2007 and older, your best bet is to delete your emission systeme when your engine runs out of warranty ! And make sure it s done by proffesionals and make sure you got someone to fix it other than dealers cux they just won t fix it if it s deleted ! I have experience in the field ! i drove a few deleted trucks ! deleting cost over 2,000 $ ca. ! So i saw the difference before and after delete ! there s quite a difference. ! I know...not legal, of course, but they tricked us ! we trick them the best we can ! Better be a driver these days ! lol ! well ! it s all history for me ! i m retired now and i don t miss it ! if i do, i watch trucking vids ! I do have some myself ! oh ! the truck in my logo was my first truck when i sarted as a O/O ! Have a nice day ! 😎
I agree. I love my 07 Pete with a 95 60 series Detroit and I get 7-8.5 MPG US. No need for ELD in the US and I do most of my miles to the US. I governed my truck at 63 mph on cruise and open on foot in case I gotta get in to it
So true. As a company driver my new assigned truck was 2009 international with the maxforce engine. 2 years later I had been to the dealership 16 times.
The new engines - Scania, Volvo, Mercedes all have serious issues with DPF filters and AdBlue pump, mechanics have no clue what has gone wrong and they still charge diagnostic time whilst they are on phone with their mates to try to fix the problem.
I have been operating 38 of the 50 1986 Peterbilt 359's my Dad bought new. Along with 2 1985 Autocar AT64 and 5 1985 W900. All with Fully Mechanical Cat 3406B and Spicer 6x4 Transmissions.
Liars! Never did my 335 Cummins w4x4 let me down. Ton of power…just had to replace the throttle spring one time. Fixed it on the side of the road, pulled over for breakfast, and then on with the lowboy haul! Thank you for covering this…darn shame!
I'm old school since 1998 I love an old school pete black smoking as much as the next guy and ya the first 3 or 4 years was an issue, but aside from that you couldn't be anymore wrong.
interesting point. The Detroit Diesel is ownd by Daimler Trucks, so Mercedes. DD13 and DD15 are basically european engines, made for the Mercedes Actros. The A26 and S13 engines from International are from MAN(A26) and Scania(S13). Of course with DEF in Europe. The PACCAR Engines are used by DAF in Europe. DAF is ownd by PACCAR. Why are DEF things not a thing in Europe?
You really contradicted yourself several times….You just care about yourself,you don’t care about the future children breathing the toxic gases….There is simply nothing you appreciate or like about trucking today..Bitterness is really showing!
As a retired Volvo and Mack dealership partsman, 31 years, the EPA ruined trucks. Electronic fuel injection was the greatest thing. Rolling in a set of rod and main bearings went from 500k to 750k-1M miles. Same block, same bearings part numbers. EGR and DPF and DEF systems made trucks unaffordable with poor reliability and unnecessarily expensive parts. The rotating assembly is fine, the emissions systems are garbage no matter the truck brand. Every brand buys the junk from the same manufacturers.
I’m not sure of the laws, haven’t driven since medical retirement due to fall off a dump trailer in wind while covering a load, breaking L4, herniating L5/6, with fusion and titanium bridge, since 2007. So I really have no idea, other than what goes in what hole. Automatic transmission must be nice in traffic, not so sure about open road. But it seams like a brand new Glider Kit, like a nice long nose Peterbilt. Then just assembly with all the best the law offers. The most power/economy mix, with the best ride/handling mix. As for power, how about the last good Cat, 3406? Built to perform a last reliability. Should be able to do? Especially with the price of a new truck with the new headache of emissions?
I’ve owned 11 trucks in my owner operator small company in total. 8 of those are 379s. Out of all of them I’ve had one emissions truck. A 2015 Kenworth with a Paccar. It was the newest lowest mileage, most expensive by far truck I’d ever bought. It was pretty good for about a year then it was emissions constantly and the final straw was i had just spent 8k to fix it 2 weeks later same thing. They said well we replaced all these parts so it must need an SCR. I fixed it and immediately sold it. F that truck and the stupid emissions. I’ll never own another one.
Keep on rebuilding them hundreds of times. I remember the engines in tech school were so worn from being disassembled and reassembled,that we only went like 200 ft pounds on the mains instead of 250😂 They'd run....so any other engine shouldn't have a problem being rebuilt like 20 times
I didn’t get to listen to the broadcast yesterday, but I did leave a comment. I’ll repeat it here. The name of the high-rise ghetto is Cabrini with a B. Named in honor of the Catholic Nun, Sister Cabrini; she ministered to the poor. She also has a local street named in her honor. The high-rise ghetto has since been demolished. It is most famous, not only for its violent reputation, but for the city of Chicago‘s first chick Mayor, Calamity Jane Byrne. In order to prove something or other, she moved into Cabrini Green under the heavy guard and watchful eye of the infamous Chicago police department for a few days. A legendary fiasco in Chicago politics, which is world renowned for its many political fiascoes. Additionally, it was a blessing in disguise to not be able to get back to the Kennedy Expressway. that stretch of highway has left side entrance and exit ramps where are you have absolutely no view of the traffic coming up next to you, and even if you have the agility of a Ferrari, it is extremely difficult to merge into the high-speed lane of an eight lane wide section of freeway, particularly in a large truck. There is no acceleration lane at all whatsoever, just a long triangle that gets real thin really quick, Because there is another one at the next block! I think there are four or five of those entrance ramps in a row on the near Westside by Greektown
Come on I thought American was meant to be the best... How come Europe doesn't have a problem with clean trucks but you do?.. remember the problems you had with diesel car engines too. I've been driving diesel cars over here since the early 1990s without any problems. I'm not saying we are perfect, I'm just asking that with all your resources why can't USA do it better?.
Regulator got fixated on "prevented respitory illness from desiel particulates." Public relations "magical thinking about technology" controlled message. Engine testing in dyno vers manufacturers bought some truck ran them hard as hell Yukon, North Slope to Florida, all year round.
Just tell the dot its a government vehicle ,you know how the government is ,always keeping that saying alive ,"Rules for thee not for me." Over regulations is the killing joke.
Good... An Edison Motors retrofitted diesel hybrid will getv30 plus % more fuel economy with all the serviceability and power of a diesel electric train.
The big line haul companies just buy new plastic trucks, run them only a few miles, and get rid of them. Most big trucks are now a disposable item. I don't know how they make any money that way.
I don't have any use for any truck that has Def or restrictions on the engine. Give me a mechanical engine and most times i can get it in for Repairs. Old school is the only way that i would drive a truck these days. If my truck breaks down it could be a cold wait before the tow truck gets here to get you in for repairs. Safe trucking drivers. 😊
It started in 04 Cat put out the bridge motor. What a boat anchor! The one I had got 2.5 miles to the gallon. Went back to a 02 Cumins 525 red top, very good motor last of the good motor. The 3406 B was the last for Cat.
Hello Driver. So glad you were able to spare some time to drop by to catch today's upload. What is your take on the Emissions Friendly Engines? what have your experiences been with them? Love to hear your thoughts.
Don't blame the engine manufacturers for these problems. These companies were mandated by the government to produce smoke free emissions engine. It all goes back to government control 😮😢
I had an accert cat and sold it to buy a 1996 Pete with a redtop Cummins. Best move I made in 35 years of owning trucks! When I purchased it, it was in desperate need of an overhaul. My local shop overhauled it with genuine Cummins parts and I replaced everything including air compressor, turbo, water and oil pumps for less than $17,000. It's set at 525 hp and gets over 7 mpg. And NO emissions BS!
The same government that gave us DEF also messed up the basic gasoline can.
The most dependable, reliable , inexpensive to operate and maintain for a O/O in American trucking industry is DETROIT SERIES 60 12.7. No offense to Cat and Cummins boys out here.
Great engines. But , the ole Detroit 12.7 will go in history.
You're absolutely correct. Mechanics were never trained because there were no schools on the emissions system to go too. Every manufacturer did things different. The company I worked for bought 2 Macks with DEF. One ended up under the lemon law. The other is a spare. The old mechanical engine trucks kept the company going.
Literally sitting on an exit ramp doing a regen right now, in a 2018 peterbilt w/ paccar engine. Nothing to do but browse youtube for the next hour or more.
I'm living proof on these def trucks, I bought it with the company saying everything was fixed, boy, was I wrong, not even 3 weeks in running the egr cooler went out, injectors, and the dpf filter went out, cost me right under $14,000. I am a single owner operator, and am going under because of these pieces of crap. I am now considering either trading up to an older truck or just quiting driving altogether. I am looking for a good jew lawyer to sue the EPA, FMCSA, and the DOT(ha ha good luck right?) But I do think truck drivers should get together and TRY to make big brother pay for our repairs since they are the ones mandating this stupid ideology of cleaner air and cleaner emissions. What a joke..
I agree . Been a company driver my whole time driving . Started in 2006 when I was 21 . The pre emission trucks down to the truck with a mechanical engine are more dependable and reliable . These emission trucks are total garbage .
Im kind of amazed engineers haven’t figured these out by this point. I knew after 2007 there would be a few years of teething problems but it’s amazing that all these years later the same problems persist. My brothers friend just shut down his trucking company and sold off all his trucks. He had 15 similarly equipped Kenworth W900’s all with Cat 3406’s. i can tell you he got a pretty penny for all of them. Amazing how much the value of these 1990’s trucks have gone up since they’re so much more reliable
I run 21 cascadia dpf sensor went out around 75k miles, no issues since. I run electric apu, i never idle except red lights and stop signs. In my opinion idleing will kill emission engines. Keep the engine hours as low as possible :)
They do not have the Environment in mind
They have Kickbacks in mind
Best wishes to all drivers out there working, everything is stacked against you, yet you still keep on trucking. Thank you from the new retiree
If I could build trucks in my own Factory they would be replicas of the Peterbilt 359 extended hood with Cats 6 and 4
All mechanical gauges everything
If I was the head of the government in charge of trucking I would promote independent truck stops all over the country I would double the freeway system big carriers wouldn't be subsidized by the taxpayer bonuses would be paid to independent truck drivers with the good safety record and just to keep things on the safe side no loaded trucks grossing over 65,000 no log books
This whole emissions regulations and EVs situation is political. The best thing one can do for the environment is to keep an old car/truck running.
Just remember that when these big corporations and governments legislate something it's seldom for the good of the people
The permanent check engine light club
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Great video! I agree, however, someone new to owner op would have a hard time getting financed on a 20 year old 1-2 million mile rig. Old trucks break down too, those costs aren't much cheaper than new trucks, just different issues.
Dont worry about putting def in your truck. Wait till Edison Motors are able to retrofit your rig with electric axles and a recharging Cat generator. I hope this def fluid is banned for the eco lie that it is.
Man, I'm glad you're making new videos. Learned a lot through the years from you, Dave.
Hmmm. After seeing your video, it makes me wonder why fire trucks and ambulances in California don’t have these systems?
As a diesel mechanic for over 45 years, I do not see how an owner operator can afford the emission loaded trucks. A check engine light will leave a truck beside the road. If an emission filled truck is more efficient, it'll eat ever bit of savings and twice the cost in repairs and parts. Now the Biden administration is trying to force electric vehicles down our throats, and there will be NO repairs by the owner operators because of the lack of knowledge and software to support it. This is also driving the cost of transportation through the roof.
I've got a Fitz glider and I'll drive it till it turns to dust. I love this thing. Never had an issue other than 1 injector. 850 k so far.
If the government mandates it they should have to pay for repairs, upkeep and down time.
You can't beat a pre emissions engine i don't care if its Cat Detroit or Cummins you really couldn't go wrong overall with either compared to the crap they have today i would without a doubt pick 1 of the 3 i listed before I go emissions
22 crapcadia day cab averages 6.5 mpg and never pulls over 20k governed at 73. We have one pre emissions truck with manual trans. I enjoy driving that truck every chance I get
Excellent video. The biggest thorn in the side for any trucking company are these emissions control, (dpf) systems.
A few years ago my tractor went into limp mode, turns out the DEF pump was cracked. The tow truck operator said 70-80% of business is related to the DEF system .
Greatest example of “ we are the govt and here to help”
02 International 9200i, Cummings N14, 2.3 million miles and ticking away.
There are many videos of old trucks being resurrected and put back on the road. Of course they can't go to California with them but most of those drivers don't go there anyways. I've also learned that most mechanics would prefer an old mechanical truck any day.
A nice truck doesn't have to be a new truck.
Driving a 2017 Volvo with a Cummins ISX.
Had it since new and it's the very worst truck I have ever had in 44 years of trucking . Between the ELD and emission engines the government has taken all the fun out of trucking. I just drive this truck until the check engine light comes on.
The stress both bring to my life isn't worth it , and i can't wait to retire in a couple years and just play with OLD TRUCKS.
I still run a R model with an ENDT675 Maxidyne, and a LTL9000 with a Big Cam IV. The Mack has 125K miles on it, the Ford has about 270K.
i agree with you partner like the old saying goes the more things change the more they stay the same and that has held its truth for many years now newer trucks are not worth even buying have a good rest of the week and ill be looking for the next video you put out.
I absolutely hate the computer garbage on my 2020. Garbage. Had it 2 months, and I've had a 1 box an six injectors replaced as a radiator. Almost $40k in warranty repairs already. 12 days downtime.
Yup. Im a company driver for now. Dealing with emissions issues cost me $35,000 and I eventually went the delete route to try and save the engine. Delete wasnt done right and engine needed rebuild. Did that for another $45,000, still deleted. 14 months later started pushing coolant. Sold the truck as is and will never buy another emissions truck again.
Its tough being an owner operator but I wouldn't do it any other way By the way,
Lord have mercy on you if you're caught with that egr and Def deleted .
I had a 2020 Kenworth T680. The Def caused me so many problems I considered leaving trucking due to breakdowns and losing pay and loads
Anyone making the jump from company driver to owner op needs to buy an '07 or older, preferably an '03 or older (no egr), with a Detroit, and a manual transmission. They are exponentially cheaper to repair and maintain. Any shop can work on an old Detroit. The night shift kid at TA can fix it. Or a decent shade tree mechanic. Or watch some youtube and fix it yourself. Parts are cheap(er) and easy to find. It's not about your comfort. It's not about style. It's about making (and keeping) money. Let go of your ego. No one cares what your truck looks like, especially not the shipper. You'll get paid the same rate as the brand new pretty truck in the dock next to you, and keep more of it in your pocket.
Don't forget the tow bills when your engine derates
I work and an ag dealership, and we once sold a 35 hp lawnmower with pretty much every option in it. I wasn’t even half way through setting everything up, and with 1.5 engine hours it already needed a regen. It was sold for 60k Canadian, and was a complete and udder nightmare for the one summer the owner had it until getting rid of it. Not only garbage, but embarrassing for the dealership selling as well. As far as other things are concerned, def pumps seem to die constantly, updates do practically nothing, and most owners have problems anytime we get real cold weather. Being in Canada, one cold week will keep us busy fixing for a month. Unacceptable
Diesel mechanic of 22 years. Was trained on these early to current DEF systems. Always a headache. The majority of the problems are from the drivers who do not tell the shop when the truck needs a burn. Or the light was on so long. We had to go on a road call and use the computer to do a burn. 80 percent of after treatment issues are driver related. Don’t get me wrong. These systems still suck 😂
"Mega carriers can afford to have spare trucks lined up" No, they can't.
My 2020 cascadia 475 k miles only expense is oil change so far never had single check engine light on very reliable truck made m lots off mont past 3 years Monymaker truck
I'm a owner operator. Never leave my home state life is great. Old school pre emissions truck and wouldn't trade it for nothing.
Don't get me started! Everything is DOOM AND GLOAM TAKING WITH TRUCK DRIVERS!👍 Unless your a CRETE DRIVER WITH 30 years says he's going to retire a MILLIONAIRE?🤔😲
I'm with you it's been a boondoggle from the beginning it just made certain people Filthy Rich and other people biggest fault here goes to government bureaucracies truck drivers and owner operators have to pay for it
07 is when I started seeing the entire trucking industry beginning to implode on itself. I retired in 2020 and am I glad. The trucking industry is a complete disaster and cesspool that will never make a comeback! Trucking is trash now and will forever stay that way now!
It’s just like the old wooden 📺 tv they last for ever,like Dave’s peterbilt. I still have my wooden TV working,it outlived five plastic TVs
How many of these engines were actually unreliable? None of them! You are talking about peripheral add on components that are problematic. Much of the problems with emissions devices is opetator error, as in butt loads of idling!
I have news for ya. Try getting parts for a 20 year old truck! I know firsthand. I have a fleet of trucks all older than 1992 model year!
The first thing you learn is you better own a microfiche and reader for your truck, or own a subscription to parts diagrams to get part numbers. Once your truck is old enough, a dealer will not be cooperative on parts service unless you have a part number in hand. And sometimes they don't even help then, which relegates you to online or mom n pops.
Used parts for the old trucks get hard to find in serviceable condition.
As some of my trucks pass into the 40 year range its becoming a real challenge to keep them going. A lot of adaptation goes on to fit non-native parts, or outright fabrication!
Then there's finding someone who either will, or even can work on your truck! Older mechs aren't too inclined to take on antiques due to the issues getting parts, or even the numerous problems with potentially poorly maintained trucks. A mechanic around 40 today probably at best came into his work during Stage 2 or 3 diesel emissions, which was just using the HEUI/common rail fuel systems and VGT turbos. These younger guys have no clue about older trucks due to not touching them frequently, if at all!
So, be careful how you present this advice. There's no down time incurred like that of a 20+ year old truck with a inexperienced wrench who can't find parts!
One saving grace is the future of electric. Its there, the technology just has to catch up to heavy trucks, and it will. Hopefully the butt ugly styling changes from the current looks.
One thing a owner operatir could do is buy a very cheap worn out truck and rebirth that truck as a hybrid electric. A hybrid uses a diesel powered generator to charge its batteries, which on turn power the electric drivetrain. Its efficient, and you have all the range and more of a conventional diesel with way less fuel used. I have converted 2 of my trucks to hybrid. Its saved a lot on fuel costs. Their drivetrains were all at complete out of frame overhaul, so i was spending money one way or the other. There are more than just fuel cost savings too. You get tax breaks, have a super quiet truck with barely any vibration, very fast fuel ups! + + + +.
Trucking is never going to be what it was prior to the 70s, so quit crying about it and the future. Costs are passed on if you're a smart businessman. Change happens. Just look forward and move in that direction. There is no more miserable of a person than a crytit looking to the past that will never come again.
you are exactly right my 88 freightliner with a 3406 cat engine got 10 miles to the gallon the 2010 prostar I bought got 5.5 mpg at best and was always being worked on, the prostar made me go broke and file bankrupt so I got out of driving altogether.
This is exactly one of the many reasons why oldschool Kens & Petes are expensive as hell ( $500,000 or more depending on how mint), oldschools are way more dependable, reliable and safer on the road then this new eco Bull$H!T. The aerodynamics con game is just a selling point.
I was broke down at the side of the road with DEF issues once. The truck had a whopping 1,500 km on it.
My thoughts are that in 10 years they will ban all non emission engines. My son has 2 petes 2006 and a 15 likes his 06 alot more do to the repair bills i do agee with that.
Mega carriers are the future….. Unfortunate but true…..
very good.....the steering wheel holders won t understand
No engine that "recirculates" exhaust back into the cylinders is going to be more fuel efficient!
Paying for right now, sitting in the hotel, waiting for this new KW to be fixed, again, last time they fixed it it worked for an hour and broke again.
A tow truck driver told me that the emissions trucks are they best friend ...! 😂
I agree 💯 100% Dave!!!!
Hi ! What ? Fuel in the DEF tank ? wow ! i wonder how they did that ? I would believe more possible to put the DEF in the fuel tank ! So, if you can t get an old truck 2007 and older, your best bet is to delete your emission systeme when your engine runs out of warranty ! And make sure it s done by proffesionals and make sure you got someone to fix it other than dealers cux they just won t fix it if it s deleted ! I have experience in the field ! i drove a few deleted trucks ! deleting cost over 2,000 $ ca. ! So i saw the difference before and after delete ! there s quite a difference. ! I know...not legal, of course, but they tricked us ! we trick them the best we can ! Better be a driver these days ! lol ! well ! it s all history for me ! i m retired now and i don t miss it ! if i do, i watch trucking vids ! I do have some myself ! oh ! the truck in my logo was my first truck when i sarted as a O/O ! Have a nice day ! 😎
I agree. I love my 07 Pete with a 95 60 series Detroit and I get 7-8.5 MPG US. No need for ELD in the US and I do most of my miles to the US. I governed my truck at 63 mph on cruise and open on foot in case I gotta get in to it
I started in 1975 and fully at in 1976 California from Alabama great times back then I always loved my job I had a great career. Thanks
Can ya get aftermarket A/C in the older trucks? That would be my only complaint of driving a pre-emissions
I don’t see why not
Lots of 80's and 90's trucks had A/C
I’ll be buying my first truck in a year or two depending on the market. It WILL be a C15 Cat 379
Glad in Alberta were able to delete them
So true. As a company driver my new assigned truck was 2009 international with the maxforce engine. 2 years later I had been to the dealership 16 times.
The new engines - Scania, Volvo, Mercedes all have serious issues with DPF filters and AdBlue pump, mechanics have no clue what has gone wrong and they still charge diagnostic time whilst they are on phone with their mates to try to fix the problem.
6.0 powerstroke was killed by the emissions
I have been operating 38 of the 50 1986 Peterbilt 359's my Dad bought new. Along with 2 1985 Autocar AT64 and 5 1985 W900. All with Fully Mechanical Cat 3406B and Spicer 6x4 Transmissions.
Absolutely it’s a big gamble oh yes the Cummins ISX 525 or 600 shops loaded starting at $35,000, or Cat C13,15 & 16 ECM EGR valves
Liars! Never did my 335 Cummins w4x4 let me down. Ton of power…just had to replace the throttle spring one time. Fixed it on the side of the road, pulled over for breakfast, and then on with the lowboy haul!
Thank you for covering this…darn shame!
Of course, I’d be a felon now for running that KW…sheesh!
Lmao I have had 3 vnl 860's 2 - 2020. 1 - 2021 total of 1.3 million miles. Never broke down. Never a emissions problem. 8.65mpg all miles.
I'm old school since 1998 I love an old school pete black smoking as much as the next guy and ya the first 3 or 4 years was an issue, but aside from that you couldn't be anymore wrong.
interesting point. The Detroit Diesel is ownd by Daimler Trucks, so Mercedes. DD13 and DD15 are basically european engines, made for the Mercedes Actros. The A26 and S13 engines from International are from MAN(A26) and Scania(S13). Of course with DEF in Europe. The PACCAR Engines are used by DAF in Europe. DAF is ownd by PACCAR.
Why are DEF things not a thing in Europe?
You really contradicted yourself several times….You just care about yourself,you don’t care about the future children breathing the toxic gases….There is simply nothing you appreciate or like about trucking today..Bitterness is really showing!
As a retired Volvo and Mack dealership partsman, 31 years, the EPA ruined trucks. Electronic fuel injection was the greatest thing. Rolling in a set of rod and main bearings went from 500k to 750k-1M miles. Same block, same bearings part numbers. EGR and DPF and DEF systems made trucks unaffordable with poor reliability and unnecessarily expensive parts. The rotating assembly is fine, the emissions systems are garbage no matter the truck brand. Every brand buys the junk from the same manufacturers.
My 2021 Peterbilt has way to much plastic under the hood.
I own a 1997 Ch613 Mack. E7. Still runs after I replaced the engine back in November 2005. No it's an ABC truck. Not a DEF one. Lol
You definitely don’t want to buy a truck 350-450 thousand miles.
I’m not sure of the laws, haven’t driven since medical retirement due to fall off a dump trailer in wind while covering a load, breaking L4, herniating L5/6, with fusion and titanium bridge, since 2007. So I really have no idea, other than what goes in what hole. Automatic transmission must be nice in traffic, not so sure about open road. But it seams like a brand new Glider Kit, like a nice long nose Peterbilt. Then just assembly with all the best the law offers. The most power/economy mix, with the best ride/handling mix. As for power, how about the last good Cat, 3406? Built to perform a last reliability. Should be able to do? Especially with the price of a new truck with the new headache of emissions?
In the process of getting my trucking company together bought a 1991 kenworth. Mechanical diesel no computers.
I’ve owned 11 trucks in my owner operator small company in total. 8 of those are 379s. Out of all of them I’ve had one emissions truck. A 2015 Kenworth with a Paccar. It was the newest lowest mileage, most expensive by far truck I’d ever bought. It was pretty good for about a year then it was emissions constantly and the final straw was i had just spent 8k to fix it 2 weeks later same thing. They said well we replaced all these parts so it must need an SCR. I fixed it and immediately sold it. F that truck and the stupid emissions. I’ll never own another one.
Keep on rebuilding them hundreds of times.
I remember the engines in tech school were so worn from being disassembled and reassembled,that we only went like 200 ft pounds on the mains instead of 250😂
They'd run....so any other engine shouldn't have a problem being rebuilt like 20 times
I didn’t get to listen to the broadcast yesterday, but I did leave a comment. I’ll repeat it here. The name of the high-rise ghetto is Cabrini with a B. Named in honor of the Catholic Nun, Sister Cabrini; she ministered to the poor. She also has a local street named in her honor. The high-rise ghetto has since been demolished. It is most famous, not only for its violent reputation, but for the city of Chicago‘s first chick Mayor, Calamity Jane Byrne. In order to prove something or other, she moved into Cabrini Green under the heavy guard and watchful eye of the infamous Chicago police department for a few days. A legendary fiasco in Chicago politics, which is world renowned for its many political fiascoes. Additionally, it was a blessing in disguise to not be able to get back to the Kennedy Expressway. that stretch of highway has left side entrance and exit ramps where are you have absolutely no view of the traffic coming up next to you, and even if you have the agility of a Ferrari, it is extremely difficult to merge into the high-speed lane of an eight lane wide section of freeway, particularly in a large truck. There is no acceleration lane at all whatsoever, just a long triangle that gets real thin really quick, Because there is another one at the next block! I think there are four or five of those entrance ramps in a row on the near Westside by Greektown
Come on I thought American was meant to be the best... How come Europe doesn't have a problem with clean trucks but you do?.. remember the problems you had with diesel car engines too. I've been driving diesel cars over here since the early 1990s without any problems. I'm not saying we are perfect, I'm just asking that with all your resources why can't USA do it better?.
Man, my old, well -worn 1964 Pete with a pumped up 335 Cummins NEVER had issues like this.
So I suppose to get a glider truck is the best way to be an owner. Right?
Regulator got fixated on "prevented respitory illness from desiel particulates." Public relations "magical thinking about technology" controlled message. Engine testing in dyno vers manufacturers bought some truck ran them hard as hell Yukon, North Slope to Florida, all year round.
Just tell the dot its a government vehicle ,you know how the government is ,always keeping that saying alive ,"Rules for thee not for me." Over regulations is the killing joke.
I agree 💯
At this day and age you couldn't give me a truck. you can't even pay your self PER DIUM anymore, that's just the start.
Good... An Edison Motors retrofitted diesel hybrid will getv30 plus % more fuel economy with all the serviceability and power of a diesel electric train.
The big line haul companies just buy new plastic trucks, run them only a few miles, and get rid of them. Most big trucks are now a disposable item. I don't know how they make any money that way.
I drive a 1999 Peterbilt 379 with a C15 6NZ Cat and a 18 spd. No reason to get anything else.
What you "save" in fuel you Spend on horse piss, I mean def.
More failure points.
More maintenance.
Too many sensors.
I have ..colubia f. 1.8M on it...12.7 Detroit s. 60.i still run.....
I don't have any use for any truck that has Def or restrictions on the engine. Give me a mechanical engine and most times i can get it in for Repairs. Old school is the only way that i would drive a truck these days. If my truck breaks down it could be a cold wait before the tow truck gets here to get you in for repairs. Safe trucking drivers. 😊
I have a 2020 Cascadia and I have had one time issue with DEF sensors 550k miles later and still going. Never been towed.
Govt has always wanted to drive small business out. Bigger companies are easier to control..
It started in 04 Cat put out the bridge motor. What a boat anchor! The one I had got 2.5 miles to the gallon. Went back to a 02 Cumins 525 red top, very good motor last of the good motor. The 3406 B was the last for Cat.
That’s a 10-4 big buddy, keep rollin coal and the right side down