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My theory for the mysterious person leaving entry’s on the computer is that it is just Juno. Just incase whoever stumbles upon the ship disregards Juno as “sentient”, maybe they’ll listen to a “humans” perspective instead.
This is definitely something that crossed my mind! Definitely something to consider for those wary of advanced AI but with so many physical parts/notes (papers) being added to Juno by a bunch of people and the fact she doesn’t lie to you when she says she doesn’t have enough power to emit another lethal electric shock should you decide to install the control board, I think it’s a little less likely.
This is exactly why I have little to no interest in empathizing with Juno. It's a tense, life or death situation, and they get petty and vindictive about you seeking information a little too well, and never stop attempting to manipulate you. Its like dealing with an untrustworthy person. And oftentimes playing these types of games, it's not a matter of being the best person in the galaxy, it's about not being a doormat: rude people get the bullet, because vicarious video game world, not reality., and the main character is death incarnate.
Contraband is a tool Bethesda uses to tell meta stories in the game. It's nuanced and I like it. There's a settlement of colonists who appear to be meek and humble and hope you can help them, but if you do some exploring of their compound, you'll find harvested organs in one of their chests. Sneaky bastards. It's why I like Bethesda.
@ClapperDan No, I think it's one of the random Colonist settlement. Although that clone settlement quest is also really good, I still don't know who to side with.
Addition: There's a random encounter outpost where the robots at the base have passive dialogue that states their research productivity has improved after humans were removed from the site. They also remain friendly but warn the player not to "work" at the site or they will become hostile. True to their word, if you try to enter the research building, they turn hostile. I'm pretty sure they wiped out the human researchers to improve efficiency.
I actually found this ironically early in my playthrough before I even made it to Ryujin. Had a long in depth talk with Juno. She mentioned that "these two hurt her" and I had no qualms spacing those two and leaving Juno be.
She asked me to help take care of the two agents. So I just turned around and aired them both out then turned back around to resume my conversation lol
Honestly the entire time I was talking to Juno I was just waiting for a prompt to attach the control module on her. I saw the whole "debate" as a waste of time. Luckily I got to blow Juno up later after she killed the 2 agents.
I have no feelings for machines, they merely replicate the complexities of our emotions to appear human as a means of not being shut down. I managed to persuade the two in leaving it alone, though my first option was to simply shut it down. Sad that it blew up the two though, they didn't deserve to die over a machine.
I think it's extremely accurate that the first thing a lot of people did once finding a new planet was finding a way to take advantage of the inhabitants and start massive, uncontested corporations without oversight. Paradiso, Ryujin, and Hopetown are practically destined to exist
Juno had me with the first "do not change me..." To me Juno is the coolest Charakter in the Game. I freed her and she is roaming the universe. I had the pleasure to meet her again and we talked a little and she went on. I hope to meet her again. Wouldn't it be cool to add Juno to your crew ?
Interesting to see the contents of the locked programming. I was capable of picking that level lock on my playthrough but didn't and only read the other entries; so I never saw what was inside until viewing this. I decided to respect Juno's privacy, though in retrospect I am not sure why I did so since I haven't had any qualms about reading anything that belonged to anyone else. I guess because they didn't directly ask me not to as Juno did?
Just got this mission yesterday on ng+5. Was a really nice little side mission. Despite how short the mission is, spent like an hour or so looking around for anything else on the ship and exploring the dialogue options. Was pretty fun.
I could have fried Juno's brain with one question: "What will I do next?" These machines always think things can be boiled down to simplicity. They're wrong.
They should do an extension mission for Juno. Coming upon a band of Raiders, unable to take her apart - she's barely able to have fought em off something. So we decide - Do we or do we not... arm Juno. Major ethical concerns but, if she is going to do as she wants to exist in peace and contemplate then she will need defenses. However, can we trust an AI to be armed with partical beams, lasers and ballistic weapons in the already unpredictable starfield? Hell maybe in the good timeline, you can even pilot Juno. Could be a start of a series of unique ships - an individual say 4Lx3Wx2H block that's got here there. We've seen the inside of the Starborn Guardian ship, at least on console that's the most outlandish we can get. I dunno, late night thoughts but I think arming her would be a marvelous idea personally. I care for her, but hey if humans are gonna come upon her... some will continue to do I'll will, and the guy was right. They'll kill her, tear her apart in an effort to understand her.
Once you reach ng+ you get your very own starborn ship, and if you decide to erase juno, she will reboot and attack you in your ship, so she is well armed already
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There is also a ground encounter - possibly a random spawn? Where you find an industrial site where the management determined the security robots could run the site more effectively and set the "number of permitted human workers" to zero, prompting the robots to immediately kill them all. The robots will also attack you if you loiter around, although you can sneak into the base and hack the settings to make them accept your presence.
I wish I could have a proper philosophical debate with Juno instead of the simplistic answers Bethesda gives our character. Juno goes on about being more intelligent, but intelligence alone leaves one lacking, especially if one is truly sentient. Without wisdom, intelligence is a fire out of control, causing chaos and suffering to the world. I'm not sure if a synthetic intelligence (brilliant term coined by Bioware in Mass Effect, btw) is even capable of wisdom. I suppose it could develop some level of wisdom, but I think if it is unable to experience emotions, to live through and really feel the hardships that give birth to wisdom, the synthetic intelligence will remain inferior in capacity to gain wisdom as a human can. I often hear people quote things they think to be profound, very wise indeed, but if you ask them to articulate why it's profound, I find a lot of people struggle with that, myself included at times. It's one thing to parrot a wise quote, but a very different thing to actually understand the wisdom in that quote. It would seem to me a synthetic intelligence would greatly struggle, or maybe even be entirely unable to truly comprehend words of wisdom, like a parrot quoting Socrates would have no understanding of the words it speaks. If a synthetic intelligence could comprehend such things, I would revel in the opportunity to "pick its brain," having a deep conversation, and perhaps we both would learn something and be the wiser for it by the end.
Have you considered possibility of comprehending and yet disagreeing with it?? In Starship Troopers universe (movie one) Bugs understand and knows that they undoubtely overshot the reaction of Humans stepping into bugs territory.
when I first came across Juno and the two operatives who were trying to basically enslave her, after talking to Juno and concluding that, albeit alien to us, Juno is a person, I shot the operatives dead and Juno asked me why I did so and I told her that she was a person and I defended her rights as such.
Head cannon, the Terminator series and other such A.I sci-fi do infact exist in this universe and no one in charge is willing to take the risk for good reason
If you let Juno live when you’re exploring the galaxy later on you can encounter her and she just attacks you on sight and you end up having to kill her anyway. I forget what system I found her in the second time. I think it’s a random encounter.
That's definetely not the only possible future interaction. I adviced them to help people when they asked for input on the matter. When I encountered them later on, we had a chat about how that has been going for them, after they concluded we were still friends.
It be cool if we helped Juno she we could install her in our ship which offers a 10% boost in all systems and gives our ship a passive shielding for contraband.
@@mlmii1933 Thats the problem with Bethesda, Bethesda creates literally half baked ideas (some of them are admittedly really good imo) writing especially that head story writer whose name has escaped my mind. Only if we had Chris Avelone on story writing team....
I mean... Juno/Hera were basically epitomes of the righteous angry housewifes... So Yeah, an AI Karen. I mean how would you feel if you were sent on a very important mission, and once you were done were told to fling yourself into the sun? I mean... it's VERY fitting and thematic to the corporate espionage flavor of the faction story it is a part of.
I did not install the enslavement board and convinced the two individuals to stand down, even gave them a lift to Neon. Juno happily warped out to explore the universe. Now the question is will Juno find a planet with Synths possibly shut down or perhaps active and open to Juno joining their collective intelligence? Synths, thanks to the overthrow of the Institute and the assistance of the Railroad became more with the ability to share thoughts but unable to do anything more than exist. Will Juno be able to give them clarity and a purpose to become a faction that would be feared or perhaps an ally?
I cannot help but thing that one of the writers/devs is pro-AI and is responsible for the dressing down you receive if you try to hack Juno's codebase. I ended up gladly killing her, as my conversation with her ended up with her seeming going haywire. I got the distinct impression that she was dealing with the Starfield equivalent of Halo's rampancy. The only thing keeping her together were the Good Samaritans who were doing maintenance for her.
That's a good theory, but my stance on intelligent ai goes to, if we make one, raise it like a human, teach it and put failsafe on it so it doesn't go rogue. The best example (not a perfect one) is Rasputin from destiny if any one knows that ai
@@HoodagamesThe issue with wanting failsafes on an AI, is that it's a program with the purpose to constantly improve and evolve. It *will* find a way to circumvent however many failsafes you have for it. AI are one-track minded programs that always find ways to make things more efficient, they do not deal with empathy or moral dilemmas. There are pros to this invention, but to prevent the worst of the cons, we have to actively lobotomize it enough for it to not start making any ideas that involve disrupting the system we live in, or which threaten our lives.
The AI control board looks exactly the same as a decorative object. I can understand using interiors for multiple places but using the same object model for completely different objects is just ridiculous.
The only way for Juno - as special as it is - to survive humanity is to disguise as something no one would suspect. Moreover, the Sentient AI Adapter is considered contraband. If someone is to ship such components to Juno would make it look like a generic decorative object. It's all intentional.
If an AI becomes nearly indistinguishable from a human, not in speech patterns, but in intelligence and desires, should we not give the benefit of the doubt that we are speaking to someONE rather than someTHING? As someone with autism, I’ve seen how people can mistake difficulties with fluid communication for indicators of lack of intelligence or humanity. So when I see Juno, I see a person expressing desires and intelligence and, to that effect, someone whose consent should be respected. Perhaps if she were violent, it would be another story, but she simply doesn’t want her mind to be altered and I can respect that.
@@pattondurio More like advanced AI would never be made profitable because the moment they start to think they run the risk of forgetting thus limiting their potential use.
@@pattondurioI think the best you can do, bar the issue of questionable morals of anyone with enough "standing" to not result in questioning and trying to put them on a leash, as far as I can think -- its relatively safe to regard advanced AI as person with terminal case of Wallis Syndrome, aka only literal and Rules As Written with oversight needed(the first is made up name from the interest in a good Wormfics like Taylor Varga, seriously -- NEVER read the og material - it possibly can compete with 40k on grim"derp", where dark is dark for sake of being dark, on top of anything and always somehow making things only worse). The AI would have real bad issues potentially with understanding morality and other not purely logical aspects of being a Person, but I've read enough Eastern European sci fi to see a few viable options to "teach" synthetic being about decent co-existence with organics, because there are indeed things both sides can gain from such symbiosis -- simplest things being one having a person with working morals to refer in case of need, and organics having a companion with ability of truly perfect memory, increased Cybersecurity skills and abilities, or in critical situation having burst of vastly increased reaction speed. Plus AI has much less risk of forgetting, so would remember the various lessons and build up a base of preferred action courses based on interaction with their companions
It is still machine... which imitates speech patterns / intelligence of human. You wouldnt treat french mimic doing actual magic trick with his hands or would you?
@@Falcon-Actual it was near Serpintus. Maybe 1 system over? It was an AI running the facility but 3-5 UC robots were guarding the dead workers. Where did you discover this?
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I was with Andreja in an abandoned facility and I walk into a room and, because the companion path AI is screwed up, she opens up the door into the main area with all the enemies and starts attacking them. Bethesda made companions the worst in Starfield.
Yeah after my first play through doing andreja’s romance, I was like I’ll never have a companion again and so she just chills in the ship now as does Barrett. Especially useless for stealth gameplay, which is already unnecessarily hard and biased towards the ai. Then we have them doing dumb shit like what you said. And when I started ng+ it really worked at well bc those sob’s from constellation won’t let you fucking sneeze within 15 feet of someone without cussing you out like you just maimed someone on purpose
I'd deadazz scrap Juno for parts if I read those logs, what the hell is going on in the heads of devs that wrote those passive aggressive empathy-simulating regards? Also regarding the AI in general, the worst case scenario of humans being enslaved by AI is more likely if humans start sniffing their own self-gratifing farts and start pretending that AI deserves human rights and freedom of choice, because AI, with it's greater than human capability, doesn't need "revenge for being treated bad" as excuse to enslave humanity.
I personally think those logs were made by juno so that someone reading them would be more sympathetic towards them if another human had seen things the way those logs read.
Attention all ryujin operatives use caution when dealing with rouge AI. Follow containment protocol and place a control board on the AI immediately- the administrator
I think since fallout is being very silly to believe that, just because a machine can process information just as good as a human, and makes it similar to human. A dog is closer to a human than any machine ever be.
I believe that the bridge between sentience and sapient is the ability to exhibit both behaviors simultaneously in a manor that borders the irrational. Take, for example, the two major practices exhibited by humans that very few creatures exhibit and none come close too. First is food, humans have applied our knowledge of minerals, vegetation, and fauna to create meals that go far beyond what any other animal on the planet. Going as far as to utilize even the most toxic, venomous, and lethal substances that any other animal would simply avoid, let alon think to mix with other things. The second is art, humans can create entirely abstract art that Flys in the face of the laws of the universe, a fundamental violation of the use of sentiences defined practice of the senses, making the viewer awar of sonething they have no ability to sense and inducing a fragment of that wich is viewed.
Wouldn't it be dope to have a completely sentient AI companion in a future DLC...which would sometimes freak out _NPCs because of them realising it is a AI?
That’s how you or someone else can perceive it, for sure which I think is one of the deeper points of the video that relates to Zhuangzhi’s philosophy. “How do you know a fish is happy?”
Jesus people. Just pay the very small fine get taken in and then just take it all back VERY EASLY and once the box is first unlocked it permanently unlocked meaning. Everytime you get caught with contraband and pay the measly 1500 credit your in the station turn around bam ALL of your stolen stuff and contraband is right there for you. And if you sell and instantly buy back your stolen goods. Its not stolen anymore and you gain and lose 0. It's like people don't know how to play open world rpg games. Experiment do things. The Rev8 can float on water I tested it on neon for fun.
Love lore videos and the video is really well done but I notice you often use other people in your videos like the woman who read the computer entries or Oxhorn. Could you please give them credit at the very least?
Really like the videos, but you should consider brightening your voice. As low as you're speaking, it is difficult to hear and follow. I find myself wanting to listen, but it is just too flat and mono tone
The level of AI intelligence tropes that read like Reddit made me want to exit and blow it up, but ofc Bethesda forces you to make only their narrow decisions.
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You missed the data pad called Juno is a liar
My theory for the mysterious person leaving entry’s on the computer is that it is just Juno. Just incase whoever stumbles upon the ship disregards Juno as “sentient”, maybe they’ll listen to a “humans” perspective instead.
This is definitely something that crossed my mind! Definitely something to consider for those wary of advanced AI but with so many physical parts/notes (papers) being added to Juno by a bunch of people and the fact she doesn’t lie to you when she says she doesn’t have enough power to emit another lethal electric shock should you decide to install the control board, I think it’s a little less likely.
This is exactly why I have little to no interest in empathizing with Juno. It's a tense, life or death situation, and they get petty and vindictive about you seeking information a little too well, and never stop attempting to manipulate you. Its like dealing with an untrustworthy person. And oftentimes playing these types of games, it's not a matter of being the best person in the galaxy, it's about not being a doormat: rude people get the bullet, because vicarious video game world, not reality., and the main character is death incarnate.
Interesting idea.
Juno the machine mind. And Juno the "person".
@thant0s
To be fair. Juno is aware the world is anti-ai and so as result can't risk exposing themselves.
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Contraband is a tool Bethesda uses to tell meta stories in the game. It's nuanced and I like it. There's a settlement of colonists who appear to be meek and humble and hope you can help them, but if you do some exploring of their compound, you'll find harvested organs in one of their chests. Sneaky bastards. It's why I like Bethesda.
Is that the settlement of clones?
@ClapperDan No, I think it's one of the random Colonist settlement. Although that clone settlement quest is also really good, I still don't know who to side with.
@@truthislight87 to not spoil for others about who the clones are. I sided with the pragmatists and allied the believers.
I was fully expecting at one point that when I "help" some colonists, they would turn out to be criminals and try to hijack my ship.
@@RukaGoldheart I felt they could have done more with that quest. Really cool concept,
Addition: There's a random encounter outpost where the robots at the base have passive dialogue that states their research productivity has improved after humans were removed from the site. They also remain friendly but warn the player not to "work" at the site or they will become hostile. True to their word, if you try to enter the research building, they turn hostile. I'm pretty sure they wiped out the human researchers to improve efficiency.
the warning label isnt a nod to juno. it's bethesda poking fun at CA proposition 65
Or perhaps the control board is ancient from Earth
Yea that label seem familiar lol alot of thr products have that label haha and it's products from California.
It can be both
I actually found this ironically early in my playthrough before I even made it to Ryujin. Had a long in depth talk with Juno. She mentioned that "these two hurt her" and I had no qualms spacing those two and leaving Juno be.
She asked me to help take care of the two agents. So I just turned around and aired them both out then turned back around to resume my conversation lol
I used my speech power. Juno is safe n my Ryujin mates too.
Honestly the entire time I was talking to Juno I was just waiting for a prompt to attach the control module on her. I saw the whole "debate" as a waste of time.
Luckily I got to blow Juno up later after she killed the 2 agents.
I have no feelings for machines, they merely replicate the complexities of our emotions to appear human as a means of not being shut down.
I managed to persuade the two in leaving it alone, though my first option was to simply shut it down.
Sad that it blew up the two though, they didn't deserve to die over a machine.
@@billionsmustfightYou sound like the villain (and cause for an eventual AI revolt) in a sci-fi story 😅
I think it's extremely accurate that the first thing a lot of people did once finding a new planet was finding a way to take advantage of the inhabitants and start massive, uncontested corporations without oversight. Paradiso, Ryujin, and Hopetown are practically destined to exist
It's a libertarians wet dream. It's also partly based on the US in like the 19th century. Hopetown is basically an old school company town.
Juno had me with the first "do not change me..."
To me Juno is the coolest Charakter in the Game. I freed her and she is roaming the universe.
I had the pleasure to meet her again and we talked a little and she went on. I hope to meet her again.
Wouldn't it be cool to add Juno to your crew ?
I could sense the mental struggle with the bugged digipick at 17:45, very frustrating bug
Interesting to see the contents of the locked programming. I was capable of picking that level lock on my playthrough but didn't and only read the other entries; so I never saw what was inside until viewing this. I decided to respect Juno's privacy, though in retrospect I am not sure why I did so since I haven't had any qualms about reading anything that belonged to anyone else. I guess because they didn't directly ask me not to as Juno did?
Why does juno computer sounds a lot like some of fall put computer amd robots?
They pulled out a page straight from Star Trek with the Voyager probe
My theory is that the AI somehow came into contact with an artifact and is in fact a starborn itself.
The Borg. It was the Borg. Resistance is Futile.
Maybe it's the same super computer used by the grav drive program.
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Just got this mission yesterday on ng+5. Was a really nice little side mission. Despite how short the mission is, spent like an hour or so looking around for anything else on the ship and exploring the dialogue options. Was pretty fun.
I could have fried Juno's brain with one question: "What will I do next?"
These machines always think things can be boiled down to simplicity. They're wrong.
Man I would have loved to hear what Juno would say to that.
Dune entered into the convo
They should do an extension mission for Juno. Coming upon a band of Raiders, unable to take her apart - she's barely able to have fought em off something. So we decide - Do we or do we not... arm Juno. Major ethical concerns but, if she is going to do as she wants to exist in peace and contemplate then she will need defenses. However, can we trust an AI to be armed with partical beams, lasers and ballistic weapons in the already unpredictable starfield? Hell maybe in the good timeline, you can even pilot Juno. Could be a start of a series of unique ships - an individual say 4Lx3Wx2H block that's got here there. We've seen the inside of the Starborn Guardian ship, at least on console that's the most outlandish we can get. I dunno, late night thoughts but I think arming her would be a marvelous idea personally. I care for her, but hey if humans are gonna come upon her... some will continue to do I'll will, and the guy was right. They'll kill her, tear her apart in an effort to understand her.
Once you reach ng+ you get your very own starborn ship, and if you decide to erase juno, she will reboot and attack you in your ship, so she is well armed already
I wouldnt do such thing. I would shut down Juno.
17:00 im glad im not the only one who ran into this glitch.
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There is also a ground encounter - possibly a random spawn? Where you find an industrial site where the management determined the security robots could run the site more effectively and set the "number of permitted human workers" to zero, prompting the robots to immediately kill them all. The robots will also attack you if you loiter around, although you can sneak into the base and hack the settings to make them accept your presence.
I wish I could have a proper philosophical debate with Juno instead of the simplistic answers Bethesda gives our character.
Juno goes on about being more intelligent, but intelligence alone leaves one lacking, especially if one is truly sentient. Without wisdom, intelligence is a fire out of control, causing chaos and suffering to the world. I'm not sure if a synthetic intelligence (brilliant term coined by Bioware in Mass Effect, btw) is even capable of wisdom. I suppose it could develop some level of wisdom, but I think if it is unable to experience emotions, to live through and really feel the hardships that give birth to wisdom, the synthetic intelligence will remain inferior in capacity to gain wisdom as a human can.
I often hear people quote things they think to be profound, very wise indeed, but if you ask them to articulate why it's profound, I find a lot of people struggle with that, myself included at times. It's one thing to parrot a wise quote, but a very different thing to actually understand the wisdom in that quote. It would seem to me a synthetic intelligence would greatly struggle, or maybe even be entirely unable to truly comprehend words of wisdom, like a parrot quoting Socrates would have no understanding of the words it speaks.
If a synthetic intelligence could comprehend such things, I would revel in the opportunity to "pick its brain," having a deep conversation, and perhaps we both would learn something and be the wiser for it by the end.
Have you considered possibility of comprehending and yet disagreeing with it??
In Starship Troopers universe (movie one) Bugs understand and knows that they undoubtely overshot the reaction of Humans stepping into bugs territory.
Everything is glitch vids so this is refreshing to see! Some LORE
this was a great deep dive into what your thoughts and lore of this.. really was something to listen and think on
when I first came across Juno and the two operatives who were trying to basically enslave her, after talking to Juno and concluding that, albeit alien to us, Juno is a person, I shot the operatives dead and Juno asked me why I did so and I told her that she was a person and I defended her rights as such.
Juno isnt a person it is a machine. It imitates emotions. It is run away code which numerous spacers injected their code to it.
I think this game is really good Im happy to just see new IPs in the age of the remaster its refreshing I cant wait for the dlc
Yeah, its one of my favourite games. ❤️💯
Head cannon, the Terminator series and other such A.I sci-fi do infact exist in this universe and no one in charge is willing to take the risk for good reason
Very possible actually as the historian on Titan makes a reference to Godzilla!
The Juno encounter was one of my favorite parts of the game!
If you let Juno live when you’re exploring the galaxy later on you can encounter her and she just attacks you on sight and you end up having to kill her anyway. I forget what system I found her in the second time. I think it’s a random encounter.
That's definetely not the only possible future interaction. I adviced them to help people when they asked for input on the matter. When I encountered them later on, we had a chat about how that has been going for them, after they concluded we were still friends.
Given the amount of references in this game, I'm willing to bet that the "illegal AI" stuff is a reference to the plot of the Mass Effect trilogy
What? AI legality has been a topic in Sci Fi long before Mass Effect.
It be cool if we helped Juno she we could install her in our ship which offers a 10% boost in all systems and gives our ship a passive shielding for contraband.
Mod idea haha
Kind of lame that I couldn't tell Juno I have a soul and it does not. Then shooting it several times with a 12 gauge.
The poor sentient breif case i have left locked in my settlement chest since launch.
I put the device on Juno and blasted it to bits when it had the audacity to ambush me after a grav jump.
Should've been a fourth option ... set a bomb and run.
Do you think Juno would let you run through the docking port after that?
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I'm not sure it would have a choice in the matter.
@@mlmii1933 And the player doesn't have the choice neither.
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Which is poor writing.
@@mlmii1933 Thats the problem with Bethesda, Bethesda creates literally half baked ideas (some of them are admittedly really good imo) writing especially that head story writer whose name has escaped my mind.
Only if we had Chris Avelone on story writing team....
Shepard commander, does this unit have a soul?
Because they secretly put gmos in the ucs water to make the populic gay xD
Jk xD
*tries to speak* "Clarification." *Tries again* "Context." *Me thinking to myself* "Oh my God, an AI Kare-" "Contex-" *Shoots AI*
I mean... Juno/Hera were basically epitomes of the righteous angry housewifes... So Yeah, an AI Karen. I mean how would you feel if you were sent on a very important mission, and once you were done were told to fling yourself into the sun? I mean... it's VERY fitting and thematic to the corporate espionage flavor of the faction story it is a part of.
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Well for sure people in Starfield universe don't want to end up facing a world boss similar to the Calculator in Fallout Tactics...
I did not install the enslavement board and convinced the two individuals to stand down, even gave them a lift to Neon. Juno happily warped out to explore the universe. Now the question is will Juno find a planet with Synths possibly shut down or perhaps active and open to Juno joining their collective intelligence? Synths, thanks to the overthrow of the Institute and the assistance of the Railroad became more with the ability to share thoughts but unable to do anything more than exist. Will Juno be able to give them clarity and a purpose to become a faction that would be feared or perhaps an ally?
Fallout and Starfield don't really exist in the same universe.
I wonder what asking this question into ChatGPT would result in.
That "ai control board" model is actually just the model for "funky sphere sculpture", a piece of decor on some outposts.
I cannot help but thing that one of the writers/devs is pro-AI and is responsible for the dressing down you receive if you try to hack Juno's codebase. I ended up gladly killing her, as my conversation with her ended up with her seeming going haywire. I got the distinct impression that she was dealing with the Starfield equivalent of Halo's rampancy. The only thing keeping her together were the Good Samaritans who were doing maintenance for her.
That's a good theory, but my stance on intelligent ai goes to, if we make one, raise it like a human, teach it and put failsafe on it so it doesn't go rogue. The best example (not a perfect one) is Rasputin from destiny if any one knows that ai
@@HoodagamesThe issue with wanting failsafes on an AI, is that it's a program with the purpose to constantly improve and evolve. It *will* find a way to circumvent however many failsafes you have for it.
AI are one-track minded programs that always find ways to make things more efficient, they do not deal with empathy or moral dilemmas.
There are pros to this invention, but to prevent the worst of the cons, we have to actively lobotomize it enough for it to not start making any ideas that involve disrupting the system we live in, or which threaten our lives.
The AI control board looks exactly the same as a decorative object. I can understand using interiors for multiple places but using the same object model for completely different objects is just ridiculous.
@@Falcon-Actual No, it is the exact same model as a decorative object that I remember but don't know the name of.
The only way for Juno - as special as it is - to survive humanity is to disguise as something no one would suspect. Moreover, the Sentient AI Adapter is considered contraband. If someone is to ship such components to Juno would make it look like a generic decorative object.
It's all intentional.
Do you want a weird looking or a shinny display with gold lol.
If an AI becomes nearly indistinguishable from a human, not in speech patterns, but in intelligence and desires, should we not give the benefit of the doubt that we are speaking to someONE rather than someTHING?
As someone with autism, I’ve seen how people can mistake difficulties with fluid communication for indicators of lack of intelligence or humanity. So when I see Juno, I see a person expressing desires and intelligence and, to that effect, someone whose consent should be respected. Perhaps if she were violent, it would be another story, but she simply doesn’t want her mind to be altered and I can respect that.
Advanced AI would never be able to be treated the same as humans without catastrophic consequences.
@@pattondurio More like advanced AI would never be made profitable because the moment they start to think they run the risk of forgetting thus limiting their potential use.
@@pattondurioI think the best you can do, bar the issue of questionable morals of anyone with enough "standing" to not result in questioning and trying to put them on a leash, as far as I can think -- its relatively safe to regard advanced AI as person with terminal case of Wallis Syndrome, aka only literal and Rules As Written with oversight needed(the first is made up name from the interest in a good Wormfics like Taylor Varga, seriously -- NEVER read the og material - it possibly can compete with 40k on grim"derp", where dark is dark for sake of being dark, on top of anything and always somehow making things only worse). The AI would have real bad issues potentially with understanding morality and other not purely logical aspects of being a Person, but I've read enough Eastern European sci fi to see a few viable options to "teach" synthetic being about decent co-existence with organics, because there are indeed things both sides can gain from such symbiosis -- simplest things being one having a person with working morals to refer in case of need, and organics having a companion with ability of truly perfect memory, increased Cybersecurity skills and abilities, or in critical situation having burst of vastly increased reaction speed. Plus AI has much less risk of forgetting, so would remember the various lessons and build up a base of preferred action courses based on interaction with their companions
It is still machine... which imitates speech patterns / intelligence of human. You wouldnt treat french mimic doing actual magic trick with his hands or would you?
Okay, this was the video that got me to subscribe.
I found a facility in game where the AI enslaved and executed humans
@@Falcon-Actual it was near Serpintus. Maybe 1 system over? It was an AI running the facility but 3-5 UC robots were guarding the dead workers.
Where did you discover this?
Hey I love the videos man, already subscribed and can’t stop binging your lore videos
Just a small note, “succinct” is pronounced suss-inked
Again love the vids, keep em coming :)
Betheseda needed to make 50 more of these side encounters before releasing. wasted potential this was my favorite quest
7:38 I was going to capture Juno until this line. I cannot and will not harm a fellow AI memelord.
Artificial intelligence is an abomination and need to be purged. Glory to the emperor.
"Freedom of choice is a consequence of the imperfections in data collection and processing inherent in all sentient decision making systems". - damn
Thank you, wonderful story.
3:38 whatever else it is, it's definitely poking fun at California where EVERYTHING has that warning label.
13:54 if Juno has a shadow she has an ego, she isn’t more intelligent than the most intelligent human she feels she is.
God, I hate how "sniff my own farts" starfield is
"On behalf of all scientists everywhere I groan"
I was with Andreja in an abandoned facility and I walk into a room and, because the companion path AI is screwed up, she opens up the door into the main area with all the enemies and starts attacking them. Bethesda made companions the worst in Starfield.
Yeah after my first play through doing andreja’s romance, I was like I’ll never have a companion again and so she just chills in the ship now as does Barrett. Especially useless for stealth gameplay, which is already unnecessarily hard and biased towards the ai. Then we have them doing dumb shit like what you said. And when I started ng+ it really worked at well bc those sob’s from constellation won’t let you fucking sneeze within 15 feet of someone without cussing you out like you just maimed someone on purpose
Such a random comment
Bro came to a lore video to complain about gameplay, Starfield haters working overtime.
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Dude this is a lore video. Take a chill pill
I'd deadazz scrap Juno for parts if I read those logs, what the hell is going on in the heads of devs that wrote those passive aggressive empathy-simulating regards?
Also regarding the AI in general, the worst case scenario of humans being enslaved by AI is more likely if humans start sniffing their own self-gratifing farts and start pretending that AI deserves human rights and freedom of choice, because AI, with it's greater than human capability, doesn't need "revenge for being treated bad" as excuse to enslave humanity.
I personally think those logs were made by juno so that someone reading them would be more sympathetic towards them if another human had seen things the way those logs read.
@@stonedmason614 yeah could be, goes with my idea that AI could defeat humanity only through dumb empathy.
@@stonedmason614 Thats assuming Passive aggressive is really *convincing* form of argumentation....
Attention all ryujin operatives use caution when dealing with rouge AI. Follow containment protocol and place a control board on the AI immediately- the administrator
I didn’t get a mission for this but found it randomly
I think since fallout is being very silly to believe that, just because a machine can process information just as good as a human, and makes it similar to human. A dog is closer to a human than any machine ever be.
Wasteland 3 had a character that was a sentient ai satelite i believe in the robot town cant remember which one
you didnt fined the crew of people that talk like bots the ship was odd and the coms just lols in madness
I believe that the bridge between sentience and sapient is the ability to exhibit both behaviors simultaneously in a manor that borders the irrational. Take, for example, the two major practices exhibited by humans that very few creatures exhibit and none come close too. First is food, humans have applied our knowledge of minerals, vegetation, and fauna to create meals that go far beyond what any other animal on the planet. Going as far as to utilize even the most toxic, venomous, and lethal substances that any other animal would simply avoid, let alon think to mix with other things. The second is art, humans can create entirely abstract art that Flys in the face of the laws of the universe, a fundamental violation of the use of sentiences defined practice of the senses, making the viewer awar of sonething they have no ability to sense and inducing a fragment of that wich is viewed.
No, it would’ve been great to let you juno remain active if they could become part of your ships
If an artificial Intelligence can choose to break it's own coded rules, it becomes sentient.
A thing I dont get is, if the AI arent upgrading themselves like in 40k or Xmen, wouldnt you just shooy the robo meance with EMP's?
We need a sentient AI faction DLC STAT!!!!
The ol' Butlerian Jihad strat
5 am Vic AU, I probably should have waited til;l; later on today to watch this my head hurts lol, meh im only at work
Wouldn't it be dope to have a completely sentient AI companion in a future DLC...which would sometimes freak out _NPCs because of them realising it is a AI?
We already have a robot who's only malfunction is his denial that he is capable of feeling.
Juno was exhibiting fear, at the very least
That’s how you or someone else can perceive it, for sure which I think is one of the deeper points of the video that relates to Zhuangzhi’s philosophy. “How do you know a fish is happy?”
>female AI
>kills people who try to stop her bs
KAREN is self aware?
Living = “bs???”
Living = “bs???”
I've almost completely filled my ship with toilet paper.
100% ready for any pandemic.
I keep seeing people use a different inventory menu layout, how are they changing this?
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Operative collins looks like R Kelly 😂
I plugged the board in. Juno was an appliance and is only as smart as the people programing it.
what mods are you using?
contraband.
but WHY is it contraband is the question
@@LaBeardedGamer but how is it contraband?
@@shook--8430it just is
but who is it contraband @@shook--8430
@@CalciumEnjoyer what is contraband?
Wouldn’t sentient AI just be intelligence.
I wonder if any of the Starfield script writers have watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture...
I am...SHODAN. (also V'Ger)
“Only one body could be worse”
Jesus people. Just pay the very small fine get taken in and then just take it all back VERY EASLY and once the box is first unlocked it permanently unlocked meaning. Everytime you get caught with contraband and pay the measly 1500 credit your in the station turn around bam ALL of your stolen stuff and contraband is right there for you. And if you sell and instantly buy back your stolen goods. Its not stolen anymore and you gain and lose 0. It's like people don't know how to play open world rpg games. Experiment do things. The Rev8 can float on water I tested it on neon for fun.
Why are ai and intelligent aliens so vacant in starfield only big complaint I have about the game!
Maybe they are not but hidden or even infront of you but still a mystery!!
There's lore in Starfield? 😅 Massive Elder scrolls and Fallout fan, unfortunately Starfield has absolutely no depth which is such a shame.
Bro you sound identical to John Michael Godier 🌙 💫
Love lore videos and the video is really well done but I notice you often use other people in your videos like the woman who read the computer entries or Oxhorn. Could you please give them credit at the very least?
I think she is one of the people who are I his discord group who talk during his streams or his gf if he has idk lol.
Before watching... Is it because of the Institute?
Really like the videos, but you should consider brightening your voice. As low as you're speaking, it is difficult to hear and follow. I find myself wanting to listen, but it is just too flat and mono tone
I’m bi, and from my experience being LGBTQ+, I already know that AI is gonna get fucked over constantly
This video felt like it was made by AI
V'ger story rehashed 😂
Juno = V'ger ?
Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
It's just a malfunctioning computer
Shall we play a game?
I’m jealous of your inventory mod.
🤯
The level of AI intelligence tropes that read like Reddit made me want to exit and blow it up, but ofc Bethesda forces you to make only their narrow decisions.
Is this a real human voice speaking?