The appeal that this video has for me is its simplicity. Lessons in the past have gotten my head totally confused when thereafter I set up to hit the ball. I've tried the advice you've given and it's returned my golf game to those rare times when I had no swing thoughts and had my best rounds. Thanks, Stu Comstock
Been chasing par for 50 years. First time I ever understood the mechanics of the swing. At 81 years old I practiced this instruction and actually missed shooting my age by one stroke! Before seeing this video I'm always scoring in the low 90s-high80s. I can now die with a smile on my face
If you've been playing for 50 years, I'd bet my bottom dollar that you've got a fair few years left in the bag, and plenty of more days to get an even lower score! God bless.
I just want to thank you for the content as I think I've finally understood this. About 14 years ago I was doing MORAD and Mac explained it as a turn then tilt. Then the S&T guys were telling me it was a tilt then a turn. I generally found Mac's explanation better to follow but I would find myself 'twisting' and 'spinning' the pelvis and the legs more than anything and it just didn't look right. A couple of years ago I had heard from another instructor that it's like you said...it's really a tilt and not a turn. I couldn't really wrap my head around what he was saying until this video came out. Particularly with the neck tilts and not having the head going forward toward the target in the backswing. That really helped me a bunch. Anyway, I think if we were to be measured on some device that there would be some turn, but not really much. To me it's really mostly 'pulling back' the hip using shear forces in the feet along with and upper spine tilt. Then there's probably a minute amount of actual turn and probably a small amount of lower spine tilt as well. Then it's basically the same thing thru on the downswing just in reverse. For (years( this completely mystified me until I saw your video a couple of days ago. Thanks again for the great content.
I'm working on this currently. It's one of those things I've known for years and keep revisiting. I do fine on the backswing but the forward swing is WAY more difficult. I always stand up into the ball and lose my spine angle. Tilting down into the ball at impact or getting right side bend is so challenging but I know it's something I need to do. Putting in the work is the part that I need to remain devoted to. Thanks for this video very much!
Usually the standing up part comes from the body reacting to the club not being swung in balance and the body counter balances to not fall over and to make contact
.. are you losing your depth on backswing. Look up Milo Lines swing coach, he teaches a baseball type swing where you flex or dip your torso on the downswing, it’s impossible to stand up out of the shot, good luck
I’ve taken a vid lesson with Roger and I’m looking forward to the next one. He has a phenomenal “eye” and I was amazed and impressed by how much he could see and sense. I received a lot of help and I’m convinced I’m going to improve. Contact sounds and feels better and my wife even noticed, “The ball is kinda going where you’re aiming it”. WELL. Say no more!
For me, this is spot on. For years I turned. For years I played bad golf. I started tilting, especially through the ball with left shoulder high, right shoulder low, and I hit it straighter and longer with accuracy more often. Great lesson.
Woww excellent in every way. As a kid I use to naturally do this (heels included) as I had much more flexibility, balance and strength. I took a 10 year break from the game and completely forgot the heels as it is not natural to me anymore.. I've seen dozens of TH-cam videos over the past 2 years and none of this was even addressed. Thanks very much, it is truly appreciated 👍
Best explanation of the golf swing being a tilt vs. turn. However, it is not as simple to do when you are actually addressing the golf ball and making the swing. "Keeping your arms straight out" and show the backswing move as a tilt is very simple to do as you well show. However, addressing the golf ball, and actually making a backswing to emulate same is difficult. I trust you understand what this "simple" student is trying to explain, but can you or do you have another drill(s) or method to make this tilt move over addressing the golf ball. Doing it as a "dry run" as you explain is easy to do. Not so when making a golf swing/shot.
Of course ... check out my 2 foot to 1 foot balance... the woman walking pelvis motion is what I was trying to show .. the body supports 95 to 100 percent weight on right leg .. pelvis is what actually tilts...
It would never point at the target line .. The club traces the plane line in a tilted circle . I am just showing that the body supports the head being still which makes the right leg straighten on the backswing.. check out my other videos where I discuss this
Great video, it feels good to tilt instead of turn. It feels like I can swing the club on plane a lot more naturally with less club face rotation than if you are trying to swing turning horizontally then either coming over the top or adjusting your path trying to shallow or flatten you swing arc. So,... the question that came to my mind is approximately where are you tilting from? Are you mostly tilting from low right by your hips or more from your middle like your ribs? So I rewatched your video and I see your hips stay inside or even with your knees as you tilt. You don't slide your hips past your knees like the stack and tilt guys do. So I guess you don't tilt from the hips so much its more like a side crunch with your abs which keeps you more centered?? I think if I slide my hips horizontally past my knees or feet then tilt, then the club is swinging down later from a lower position and it never starts to swing forward, it only is swinging downward unless I do some crazy rapid turn up with my upper body. So if you do more of a centered side crunch tilt then your club starts to swing down earlier so by impact its swinging more forward earlier? Sorry for the rant, what are your thoughts? Maybe this can also help others. Again thanks for the informative videos.
Oh my ... thanks for the questions . Let me help make it clear.. The arms out and tilting is just a drill to feel what the body does in support . You dont have to think about what the body does . I want you to focus on the club swinging freely and if the head rotates like it should and stay centered then the tilt is built in to the swing. I dont want you to focus on all the nuiances of the body ...I will answer it though . The tilting motion is supported by the whole midline and the body supports ..and I dont want you to feel a ab crunch or the lateral bends , Most people over do that when I say that .
@@rkswingking Thanks for the reply, I will work on it, I guess you always have to hit a few balls to see what's going on. I've always been in search of a free swinging motion. I guess in golf you always know you have the physical abilities to hit the ball a lot better but you are not using the correct techniques.
this and your other videos are vert interesting, challenging even as we have been told to 'turn, turn, turn' for decades and of course lately to do deep side bends leading to our right face being almost parallel to the ground !(for right handers,) any thoughts sir ?
This tilt, turn is confusing as explained. There is absolutely a tilt of the spine at the waist, with a slight relaxed feel at the knees. The backswing is not a turn but is a weight shift to the back foot which causes the hips to rotate back with the arms following. For those that find it difficult to get a fuller backswing, lift the front heel but not a forward leaning tilt of the shoulders. Simple. Julian Mellor has taught this for years and has changed my game in my senior years. Proper Golf U.K.🇨🇦👍👨🦳
Roger, I have practised the movements you teach at home and feel ready to take this to the golf coarse tommorrow . However I am not sure of one thing and that is ball position for the driver and some thoughts on how high to tee it up for driver too?
Ok so this is a super controversial topic . If you swing the weight onna string with counterbalances then the club will always be in the middle and the ball is just in front of that . Some tour players and even really good players and long drivers have the ball position more forward That is because the use the ground and push the body more up on the backswing which then on downswing they load the ground and pushes them more vertical so the club will be hitting way more ascending . For traditional good circle swinging the ball tee height is about half a ball to 3/4 of it teed up above the head of the driver . Good luck and have fun tomorrow
Oh I would have you do the weight on a string drill .. as your back can support the level of the swing I also highly recommend move u.com to help fix issues for your back
The image is helpful but I can’t help asking, isn’t it a tilt AND a turn? Do you think part of people’s problem is that the turn mindset is a holdover from the two plane swing, which is a bit more upright and therefore more of a turn?
It really is neither really . The thoracic extension that has to happen with all the side bends when the head stays on center is the tilt I am referring to ... however most still miss the point if you just swing the weight on the string or rope over the shoulder back and forth .. all these things happen . The main focus should be on that and not simply turning the upper body .. The body is always one of support
Aha I get it. This is a terrific lesson. It’s especially helpful for a tall player (I’m 6’4”) who struggles to find the correct plane. Thank you for this.
This was a well thought out instruction but simple to execute at the same time. Keep it going. Get an expert to work on the video/editing quality (there is no denying that is a factor now a days).
Showing how the body supports in this video in my previous video . I show the weight on a string swing and the body supports in this manner and it's not as difficult as you think . I made a bunch of videos explaining in more details the counter balance , the shifts that take place and that there is force before motion . This is just one simple Explanation of how it feels for the body to support .. Hope this helps
Hey whata know a coach/ teacher breakdowns down a golf swing in the simplest form, omg Thank god, because my brain, ego can complicate tieing my shoelaces, Thanks man, well done.
Your first motion is a transverse plane, not horizontal. Your second movement is coronal, not vertical. Also, many of these forces are coupled motions. You're also not separating pushes from torques. You're attempting to make things simple, but you've disregarded spinal mechanics.
Agreed the pelvis tilts ... but everytime I mention turn they don't shift or tilt pelvis and keep a 2 foot balance .. just trying to show that image to people
More trying to show people how the body supports when staying centered and swinging There is a turn but when you say turn to people they always go very horizontal first
@@rkswingking I just felt like your example of tilting was ignoring this important piece. You really can't get the tilt right until the pelvis behaves somewhat appropriately.... if you visualize the top 2 points of the back of the crest of the ilium and draw points to the base of the sacrum... then model this action results in break through moments for some learners. I don't know if you can use that language, and going around and poking people at the base of their back gets you into eg carroll zone, but I think you get what I'm saying.
The appeal that this video has for me is its simplicity. Lessons in the past have gotten my head totally confused when thereafter I set up to hit the ball. I've tried the advice you've given and it's returned my golf game to those rare times when I had no swing thoughts and had my best rounds. Thanks, Stu Comstock
That's just great 👍 as that is what it is all about for me
Been chasing par for 50 years. First time I ever understood the mechanics of the swing. At 81 years old I practiced this instruction and actually missed shooting my age by one stroke! Before seeing this video I'm always scoring in the low 90s-high80s. I can now die with a smile on my face
I feel blessed to touch so many lives
That is amazing sir. Keep going strong this is a life lesson in accion dont quit and stay a student. I just started my golf journey
Thank you sir... enjoy the journey
If you've been playing for 50 years, I'd bet my bottom dollar that you've got a fair few years left in the bag, and plenty of more days to get an even lower score! God bless.
Man you're awesome!!! The best explanation of the golf swing and the simplicity of it is just awesome!!! Thank you!!!
Your very welcome
I've heard tilt v turn often. This was by far the simplist and smartest description. Thanks!
Thank you
Thank you Roger. Moved from a big turn to a tilt at the range today. I was very pleased with the results.
That's great . Then you are more centered and that will change the swing plane and leg action .. awesome
I just want to thank you for the content as I think I've finally understood this. About 14 years ago I was doing MORAD and Mac explained it as a turn then tilt. Then the S&T guys were telling me it was a tilt then a turn. I generally found Mac's explanation better to follow but I would find myself 'twisting' and 'spinning' the pelvis and the legs more than anything and it just didn't look right.
A couple of years ago I had heard from another instructor that it's like you said...it's really a tilt and not a turn. I couldn't really wrap my head around what he was saying until this video came out. Particularly with the neck tilts and not having the head going forward toward the target in the backswing. That really helped me a bunch.
Anyway, I think if we were to be measured on some device that there would be some turn, but not really much. To me it's really mostly 'pulling back' the hip using shear forces in the feet along with and upper spine tilt. Then there's probably a minute amount of actual turn and probably a small amount of lower spine tilt as well.
Then it's basically the same thing thru on the downswing just in reverse.
For (years( this completely mystified me until I saw your video a couple of days ago. Thanks again for the great content.
Wow... your very welcome. It is really fun giving back to the golfing world
I'm working on this currently. It's one of those things I've known for years and keep revisiting. I do fine on the backswing but the forward swing is WAY more difficult. I always stand up into the ball and lose my spine angle. Tilting down into the ball at impact or getting right side bend is so challenging but I know it's something I need to do. Putting in the work is the part that I need to remain devoted to. Thanks for this video very much!
Usually the standing up part comes from the body reacting to the club not being swung in balance and the body counter balances to not fall over and to make contact
.. are you losing your depth on backswing. Look up Milo Lines swing coach, he teaches a baseball type swing where you flex or dip your torso on the downswing, it’s impossible to stand up out of the shot, good luck
Amazing. That explains my lack of consistency and poor contact with irons 🙏
I hope that helps
Check out my skeleton suit ode to Mike Austin and my latest video..
Should give more clarity
I’ve taken a vid lesson with Roger and I’m looking forward to the next one. He has a phenomenal “eye” and I was amazed and impressed by how much he could see and sense. I received a lot of help and I’m convinced I’m going to improve. Contact sounds and feels better and my wife even noticed, “The ball is kinda going where you’re aiming it”. WELL. Say no more!
Thank you so much
Your fun to work with!
Geeeze! It's that simple?!?! All these years and one video improved my game! Tilt is the word I say to myself before every swing!!
Well the body tilts to support the swinging motion and the pressure shifts . I wouldn't say tilt ..lol
But if that is what works for you 😏
For me, this is spot on. For years I turned. For years I played bad golf. I started tilting, especially through the ball with left shoulder high, right shoulder low, and I hit it straighter and longer with accuracy more often. Great lesson.
Thanks so much
I can't tell you how much this video has helped my game. Thank you
Your very welcome that makes me very happy
Woww excellent in every way. As a kid I use to naturally do this (heels included) as I had much more flexibility, balance and strength. I took a 10 year break from the game and completely forgot the heels as it is not natural to me anymore.. I've seen dozens of TH-cam videos over the past 2 years and none of this was even addressed. Thanks very much, it is truly appreciated 👍
That's great 👍 your very welcome
Brilliant simplicity.
Thanks so much
Wow that's a big perspective shift. Thanks!
Your very welcome
谢谢！
Hopefully that means good things?? 😆
Thanks Roger! Well done! Makes sense!
Thank you
Best explanation of the golf swing being a tilt vs. turn. However, it is not as simple to do when you are actually addressing the golf ball and making the swing. "Keeping your arms straight out" and show the backswing move as a tilt is very simple to do as you well show. However, addressing the golf ball, and actually making a backswing to emulate same is difficult. I trust you understand what this "simple" student is trying to explain, but can you or do you have another drill(s) or method to make this tilt move over addressing the golf ball. Doing it as a "dry run" as you explain is easy to do. Not so when making a golf swing/shot.
Of course ... check out my 2 foot to 1 foot balance... the woman walking pelvis motion is what I was trying to show .. the body supports 95 to 100 percent weight on right leg .. pelvis is what actually tilts...
Roger, w that tilt would you say ultimately at top that the shoulder plane should pt at the ball(target line) or slightly above? , thks mike
It would never point at the target line .. The club traces the plane line in a tilted circle . I am just showing that the body supports the head being still which makes the right leg straighten on the backswing.. check out my other videos where I discuss this
Thanks a lot Roger. Can you at some point make a video on how you condition your body for the game or exercise? appreciate your channel, new sub💪🏿
Yes sir I have already .. and the supplements I take as well .. just scroll back a bit .. and thank you 😊
Makes waaay too much sense and waaay too simple! Thanks
😁
Great video, it feels good to tilt instead of turn. It feels like I can swing the club on plane a lot more naturally with less club face rotation than if you are trying to swing turning horizontally then either coming over the top or adjusting your path trying to shallow or flatten you swing arc. So,... the question that came to my mind is approximately where are you tilting from? Are you mostly tilting from low right by your hips or more from your middle like your ribs? So I rewatched your video and I see your hips stay inside or even with your knees as you tilt. You don't slide your hips past your knees like the stack and tilt guys do. So I guess you don't tilt from the hips so much its more like a side crunch with your abs which keeps you more centered?? I think if I slide my hips horizontally past my knees or feet then tilt, then the club is swinging down later from a lower position and it never starts to swing forward, it only is swinging downward unless I do some crazy rapid turn up with my upper body. So if you do more of a centered side crunch tilt then your club starts to swing down earlier so by impact its swinging more forward earlier? Sorry for the rant, what are your thoughts? Maybe this can also help others. Again thanks for the informative videos.
Oh my ... thanks for the questions . Let me help make it clear.. The arms out and tilting is just a drill to feel what the body does in support . You dont have to think about what the body does . I want you to focus on the club swinging freely and if the head rotates like it should and stay centered then the tilt is built in to the swing. I dont want you to focus on all the nuiances of the body ...I will answer it though . The tilting motion is supported by the whole midline and the body supports ..and I dont want you to feel a ab crunch or the lateral bends , Most people over do that when I say that .
@@rkswingking Thanks for the reply, I will work on it, I guess you always have to hit a few balls to see what's going on. I've always been in search of a free swinging motion. I guess in golf you always know you have the physical abilities to hit the ball a lot better but you are not using the correct techniques.
Watch my other videos ... the swing versus lever series and the grip to make sure your hands are on it correctly
this and your other videos are vert interesting, challenging even as we have been told to 'turn, turn, turn' for decades and of course lately to do deep side bends leading to our right face being almost parallel to the ground !(for right handers,) any thoughts sir ?
Oops meant this for u
th-cam.com/video/5ILArATBKDc/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
Great tip sir! Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
You bet!
Straight forward info great
Your welcome
Lock in and tilt! It's really that simple but everyone over complicates it!
yes its a simple feeling ..thanks for the comment
This tilt, turn is confusing as explained. There is absolutely a tilt of the spine at the waist, with a slight relaxed feel at the knees. The backswing is not a turn but is a weight shift to the back foot which causes the hips to rotate back with the arms following. For those that find it difficult to get a fuller backswing, lift the front heel but not a forward leaning tilt of the shoulders. Simple. Julian Mellor has taught this for years and has changed my game in my senior years. Proper Golf U.K.🇨🇦👍👨🦳
Thanks for the comment . 👍
Not much difference to the naked eye , but is probably the main reason for my flipping. Thanks for the tip.
Your welcome
Thanks for making it so simple!
You're welcome!
Roger,
I have practised the movements you teach at home and feel ready to take this to the golf coarse tommorrow .
However I am not sure of one thing and that is ball position for the driver and some thoughts on how high to tee it up for driver too?
Ok so this is a super controversial topic . If you swing the weight onna string with counterbalances then the club will always be in the middle and the ball is just in front of that .
Some tour players and even really good players and long drivers have the ball position more forward
That is because the use the ground and push the body more up on the backswing which then on downswing they load the ground and pushes them more vertical so the club will be hitting way more ascending .
For traditional good circle swinging the ball tee height is about half a ball to 3/4 of it teed up above the head of the driver . Good luck and have fun tomorrow
Great tip. This is my main problem. I’ll give it a try next time at the range
Great
this makes so much sense...ty!!
Your very welcome
Great tip.. Can't wait to go out and work on this tip this might be the missing piece of my puzzle That is Called my golf swing
th-cam.com/video/5ILArATBKDc/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
This might help clear it up
Lol good luck
Thanks for the tip, I'll put it to practice. ⛳️ 🏌️♂️
Great 👍
Great video. Thank you.
You are welcome!
Like a "rock the shoulders" 200 yard putt.
That's not what I had in mind .. just showing you how the body should support .
@@rkswingking Half joking. Actually turning the torso instead of the shoulders will take care of the shoulder turn.
👍
Fantastic video!
Thank you very much!
So as long as I tilt the back hip should go up without trying to get the back hip up in back swing correct. Thx for simplifying can’t wait to try it.
Yes that's correct
Don’t forget the weight shift to the back foot. It will allow the hips to rotate around the spine for a greater backswing.
Agree but swing a weight on a string and that should happen
Good stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it
Its a tilt then a turn. A compund puvot-Mike Austin
Love mike austin and dunaway.... couldn't agree more .
I would just like it if people thought of the body as a support system not a key initiator
@@rkswingking
I love this tilt drill, but because of a bad back I subconsciously stand up in transition and screw it up 😢
Oh I would have you do the weight on a string drill .. as your back can support the level of the swing
I also highly recommend move u.com to help fix issues for your back
The image is helpful but I can’t help asking, isn’t it a tilt AND a turn?
Do you think part of people’s problem is that the turn mindset is a holdover from the two plane swing, which is a bit more upright and therefore more of a turn?
It really is neither really . The thoracic extension that has to happen with all the side bends when the head stays on center is the tilt I am referring to ... however most still miss the point if you just swing the weight on the string or rope over the shoulder back and forth .. all these things happen . The main focus should be on that and not simply turning the upper body .. The body is always one of support
Aha I get it. This is a terrific lesson. It’s especially helpful for a tall player (I’m 6’4”) who struggles to find the correct plane.
Thank you for this.
Looks like a rotating tilt to me.
Yes the pelvis does have to rotate
This is a combo golf and gun show video.
Ha thanks for the comment
Great tip! The "Gun Show" looks to be in town! Get some!
Lol.... thanks
This was a well thought out instruction but simple to execute at the same time. Keep it going. Get an expert to work on the video/editing quality (there is no denying that is a factor now a days).
Thank you .... working on the other !
How do you help someone correct without seeing a video?
I do live 1 on 1 lessons either zoom or in person
Right. Now put both hands on the club and show us how it is done. What is simple becomes very difficult
Showing how the body supports in this video in my previous video . I show the weight on a string swing and the body supports in this manner and it's not as difficult as you think . I made a bunch of videos explaining in more details the counter balance , the shifts that take place and that there is force before motion . This is just one simple Explanation of how it feels for the body to support ..
Hope this helps
Brilliant
Thank you
Hey whata know a coach/ teacher breakdowns down a golf swing in the simplest form, omg Thank god, because my brain, ego can complicate tieing my shoelaces, Thanks man, well done.
Your very welcome.. I hope my videos make you better
This as clear as mud to me
I think this one is clearer..but a little lengthy .. sorry . th-cam.com/video/5ILArATBKDc/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared
The edit gained my trust
Yeah I had a co worker come in right in the middle of it at 5:30 am ...smh
@@rkswingking well you intentionally or unintentionally made a great edit. Thanks for the tips, hope your channel takes off.
Thank you!
Sir this is a Wendy's
😁
Your first motion is a transverse plane, not horizontal. Your second movement is coronal, not vertical. Also, many of these forces are coupled motions. You're also not separating pushes from torques. You're attempting to make things simple, but you've disregarded spinal mechanics.
I agree ... just trying to keep it simple... the real reason of this is to show how the body feels as the club is swinging and the body supporting
Pretty sure this guy has a kniezi
Not sure what that is
Its a turn whilst tilted
Agreed the pelvis tilts ... but everytime I mention turn they don't shift or tilt pelvis and keep a 2 foot balance .. just trying to show that image to people
Damn u buff for an older fellow
Thank you very much 😊
Nope, its both.
More trying to show people how the body supports when staying centered and swinging
There is a turn but when you say turn to people they always go very horizontal first
I think you're just bored in the golf shop... 😅
😎😎😎😎😎
at this point, the bottom of the tail bone really needs to moved toward the target.... ignored by most....th-cam.com/video/fgQ_py5j6DA/w-d-xo.html
I agree 👍
@@rkswingking I just felt like your example of tilting was ignoring this important piece. You really can't get the tilt right until the pelvis behaves somewhat appropriately.... if you visualize the top 2 points of the back of the crest of the ilium and draw points to the base of the sacrum... then model this action results in break through moments for some learners. I don't know if you can use that language, and going around and poking people at the base of their back gets you into eg carroll zone, but I think you get what I'm saying.
I do and mention some of this in my other videos .. thanks so much for the comment 😀 😊