That's actually a little trick I sometimes use when backing Irish traditional jigs, which are in 6/8 (even though there are also 9/8 and 12/8 variants as well). Every now and then I like to throw in the odd bar(s) of, well, temporary 3/4 phrasing, usually but not exclusively at turnarounds.
I've worked it out. There were 6 beats over the course of 2 bars. However, they were grouped into bunches of twos, rather than bunches of threes like the rest of the piece.
oh for god's sake!!! there's always someone asking for more than they get. Look do a f***king search there's a 100 videos on you tube explaining the circle of 5ths. I'm looking at a circle of 5ths video as I type ffs!! to the right of this comment here th-cam.com/video/_LHv5WN4SiU/w-d-xo.html
thank you! very cool and enlightening video; are there cases where a hemiola occurs in only one voice generating thus, vertically, polymetric effects?! would you still call it hemiola then?! perhaps this occurs more in popular contemporary music, but isn't called hemiola (or is, but in a non traditional way)?
I liked the clapping part the best to understand the exact feel it gives. But I think with Geminiani [Concerto Grossi IV, final allegro movement] example after the Hemiola the illustraion for next bar is wrong. 1 dotted quaver, 1 semiquever & 1 quaver makes 3 quavers (suits to 3/8 time signature and represents the whole bar.
Hemiolas also exist just as much in 4/4 idk why I keep encountering this 3/4 bias. A figure based on dotted 8ths going over the bar line in 4/4 is also hemiola, and that’s just one example. Really, any over-the-bar -line phrase in any time signature is a hemiola as long as the ratio can be broken down to 2:3 or 3:2.
hmmm sort of understand but not really. that last example the bars are in 6/16ths or equivalent (3 quavers) but the 3rd bar from the end has 3 crochets which is 6 quavers or 12 semiquavers . it seems twice as long? Do those odd signs over the crochets signify a shortening of the notes or something...sorry i don't understand
The answer is almost: in all but name. In "America" from West Side Story, the time signature is 3/4, and the six semi-quavers of each of the two bars remain in their own bars and do not override a bar line: | I - want - to - be - in - a - | me - - ri - - ca - - | - the only thing that changes is the accent on the 1st and 4th beat of the 1st bar and then the 1st, 3rd and 5th beat of the second bar, as can be seen in this clip: th-cam.com/video/T5GSk0sjBg4/w-d-xo.html The effect is the same, but in order to be correctly identified as a hemiola, the lyrics would have to go over 4 bars in 3/8: | I - want - to - | be - in - a - | me - - r- | i- ca - - |
@@gileadlimor Thanks - I think I get it. I find it curiously hard to beat America in 3/4 at that tempo - it's an insanely energetic piece. Bur as a greybeard guitarist once said - you can count anything in 1s.
I do not get it. The whole piece in time 3/8, right? In the excerpt it is still 3/8. However, three quarters per measure changes the original time signature to 3/4. THE VALUE OF THE BEAT IS CHANGED, so is the tempo in this particular measure. It is not "just a fraction". ( Even though I can pretend that it is 6/8 and two measure are combined into one.) The statement was: "In hemiola, time signature is not changes, just grouping of the notes". In this particular piece, the TIME SIGNATURE IS CANGED. With all respect, I am not a "baroque specialist", and never seen "combine two bars into one," at least in Well Tempered Clavier and some of Bach's Masses... What is it: a commonplace in Baroque, urtext, or example does not feet the explanation? Please, explain for dummies, like me. Thanks.
I've never encountered a better explanation. Or another employing a juggler.
First comment I saw and it made me curious.
Yes, I just looked at two other explanations to supplement what I just taught a student. This is clear and soulful.
The hemiola and the suspension are my two favorite ear benders. Thanks for the highlight.
It gave the illusion that the time signature had temporarily changed. Now I get it. I actually felt it.
Such care to explain this musical feature so elegantly and convincingly -- thank you so much!
Very well done. Kudos to Debbie Diamond.
As a juggler, I feel so represented haha.
Feeling "airborne." Love this description! Thanks.
That was really well explained
Thank you for using multiple ways to explain one thing. Helps a lot! The video is great as it is the series.
😁... I used the word "hemiola" once to describe a part of a bagpipe tune to my fellow pipers...
They thought I was talking about a disease 😂👍😂👍
This was a good video. That juggler is excellent, too.
This is a fabulous explanation of one of my fave musical devices!
That's actually a little trick I sometimes use when backing Irish traditional jigs, which are in 6/8 (even though there are also 9/8 and 12/8 variants as well). Every now and then I like to throw in the odd bar(s) of, well, temporary 3/4 phrasing, usually but not exclusively at turnarounds.
I LOVED THIS !!!!!!!! thank you so much !
Fantastic clarity, Debbie!! Is your juggler in your bubble, by any chance?!
So cool! Loving this series
I was just about hanging on but then all became clear with the clapping. Fascinating. 🧡🙂
Give that juggler an A+
Excelente explicación! Gracias!
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽great video
Awesome, great examples and analogies
would have been worth pointing out that the pairs of bars after the 3/4 bars in the Geminiani excerpt are hemiolas too.
Thanks!
very cool
at the end it shows this is the most delicious request and originally that i heard...kkkss
I've been curious about isorhythms, but I haven't really seen a clear explanation of what it is. I'd appreciate if you did a video about it!
I've worked it out. There were 6 beats over the course of 2 bars. However, they were grouped into bunches of twos, rather than bunches of threes like the rest of the piece.
Amazing video!!!
Wow!I never understood the term hemiole(or "hemíola" in portuguese).Thanks.
Great video!
i wake up to radio 3 as well!
Excellent.... Would you good people be willing to do a video with the subject matter being to explain what a circle of 5ths are?...
oh for god's sake!!! there's always someone asking for more than they get. Look do a f***king search there's a 100 videos on you tube explaining the circle of 5ths. I'm looking at a circle of 5ths video as I type ffs!! to the right of this comment
here th-cam.com/video/_LHv5WN4SiU/w-d-xo.html
thank you! very cool and enlightening video; are there cases where a hemiola occurs in only one voice generating thus, vertically, polymetric effects?! would you still call it hemiola then?! perhaps this occurs more in popular contemporary music, but isn't called hemiola (or is, but in a non traditional way)?
I liked the clapping part the best to understand the exact feel it gives. But I think with Geminiani [Concerto Grossi IV, final allegro movement] example after the Hemiola the illustraion for next bar is wrong. 1 dotted quaver, 1 semiquever & 1 quaver makes 3 quavers (suits to 3/8 time signature and represents the whole bar.
Hemiolas also exist just as much in 4/4 idk why I keep encountering this 3/4 bias. A figure based on dotted 8ths going over the bar line in 4/4 is also hemiola, and that’s just one example. Really, any over-the-bar -line phrase in any time signature is a hemiola as long as the ratio can be broken down to 2:3 or 3:2.
hmmm sort of understand but not really. that last example the bars are in 6/16ths or equivalent (3 quavers) but the 3rd bar from the end has 3 crochets which is 6 quavers or 12 semiquavers . it seems twice as long?
Do those odd signs over the crochets signify a shortening of the notes or something...sorry i don't understand
Is that Byrd in the please subscribe quartet this time?
GO DEBBIE
Isn't that Geminiani's 1st Concerto Grosso? The 4th one is in B minor, not D major.
Did I ever hear Al DiMeola play a hemiola
If that were all he played
He’s be All Hemiola Demiola! ;)
I prefer the equivalence between 3/4 and 6/8. Same speed, different accents. Hemiolas sound like they keep the same accents.
The reason I could never become a professional musician:
I listened to the explanation and yet I couldn't feel the difference in the clappings.
So is the "I want to be in Am_er_i_ca" chorus from West Side Story a hemiola? th-cam.com/video/YhSKk-cvblc/w-d-xo.html
Yes, exactly!
The answer is almost: in all but name.
In "America" from West Side Story, the time signature is 3/4, and the six semi-quavers of each of the two bars remain in their own bars and do not override a bar line:
| I - want - to - be - in - a - | me - - ri - - ca - - | - the only thing that changes is the accent on the 1st and 4th beat of the 1st bar and then the 1st, 3rd and 5th beat of the second bar, as can be seen in this clip: th-cam.com/video/T5GSk0sjBg4/w-d-xo.html
The effect is the same, but in order to be correctly identified as a hemiola, the lyrics would have to go over 4 bars in 3/8: | I - want - to - | be - in - a - | me - - r- | i- ca - - |
@@gileadlimor Thanks - I think I get it. I find it curiously hard to beat America in 3/4 at that tempo - it's an insanely energetic piece. Bur as a greybeard guitarist once said - you can count anything in 1s.
I do not get it. The whole piece in time 3/8, right?
In the excerpt it is still 3/8. However, three quarters per measure changes the original time signature to 3/4. THE VALUE OF THE BEAT IS CHANGED, so is the tempo in this particular measure.
It is not "just a fraction". ( Even though I can pretend that it is 6/8 and two measure are combined into one.)
The statement was: "In hemiola, time signature is not changes, just grouping of the notes". In this particular piece, the TIME SIGNATURE IS CANGED.
With all respect, I am not a "baroque specialist", and never seen "combine two bars into one," at least in Well Tempered Clavier and some of Bach's Masses...
What is it: a commonplace in Baroque, urtext, or example does not feet the explanation? Please, explain for dummies, like me.
Thanks.
I-want-to/live-in-a
ME/RI/CA
I-like-to/sing-in-hem
I/O/LA
The other day I went to the doctor... She said I had a syncopated hemiola... I said, well, it's just Human Nature... You know, by Michael Jackson...
can i have my comment back please?