Coasters Down Up Definitely! Probably Energylandia maybe the next park to get one if you ask me. They are coaster crazy! It doesn’t matter what it is they will get it! Also I think Alton Towers could get a great giga coaster!
Yes Dollywood was a bit of a stretch. Was just mentioning some of the big parks in the general area. Parks on the east side of the country are very close to each other with multiple parks trying to bring in the same crowds in some cases. That was the point I was trying to make.
I agree with you Patrick. Cedar Fair and Six Flags are highly unlikely to build another traditional giga coaster.Sea World Entertainment might. In reality I don't think the numbers make sense for a park to build one as far as return on investment. I think the RMC T Rex is the future. Eventually someone will step up and build one and we"ll see how successful it is.
Well, Busch gardens Tampa get more visitors then any other amusement park in the USA (outside of Disney, Universal, and the Orlando SeaWorld parks) at 4.1 million a year. Cedar point only gets 3 million, and SF Magic mountain gets 3.3 million. So i honestly agree with Patrick on Busch gardens Tampa getting a giga. I mean, it's already getting a steel vengeance killer (maybe)
@@tylerkriesel8590 Cedar Point draws 3.6 million visitors a year and is only open around 135 days a year. All the other parks you mention are open almost every day of the year. If a seasonal park like KI draws 3.5 million visitors a year and is open less than half the year and they STILL got a Giga, then other seasonal parks could still get one if their attendance was high enough. You would have to make a return on your investment of 30+ million dollars reasonably quick. Most parks don't already have a good enough line up to just add a Giga and expect an attendance boost of 10-20 percent to pay for their new coaster. Six flags are too cheap to spend 30 million for one park when they are spending millions at every park for small rides every year. For Cedar Fair, Knott's is the only park that has enough visitors to warrant a Giga, but they don't have the room to build one.
@@robertpolk9910 whatever, 3.6 million. Point is, the park(s) who are most likely to get one are either one of the Busch gardens parks. Preferably the one in Tampa
Hey guys, I hope you all enjoyed. Please let me know what you think in the comments. Is Orion the last Giga? If not, which parks do you think will get one? I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say about it. Thank you and ride on!!!!
I agree with most of what you say, but some of the criteria you list I don’t necessarily agree with. For example, you rule out parks because they have competition in their areas, whereas that could be a reason to rule them in - they feel they have to go big to compete. And also by process of elimination, you settle on Worlds of Fun in the CF chain, whereas they just don’t have a record of that kind of investment. I think in general, the era of gigas has largely passed for U.S. amusement chains, and even Orion barely qualifies. If I had to bet, I’d say we see no more gigas in the U.S. in the next twenty years. I hope I’m wrong. BUT if I had to pick one place, it might be Magic Mountain. They do have space issues, and yes SF are not spending much (especially if we’re heading into a recession), but SFMM is the chain’s flagship park, and they are in need of a new world-beater, perhaps for their twentieth.
@@StamfordBridge naaaaa, i gotta good feeling you WANT an economic recession because you dislike a "certain person". but so far the economy is doing good. And has no reason to go bad, other then people who suffer from TDS who want it to go bad.
Tyler Kriesel And yep, you’re the type I thought you were. No one wants a recession, but I guess the ludicrous stereotype of someone who does helps you deal with reality. You should try stepping outside your bubble and experiencing the real world now and then. Start by reading and listening to actual economists - any of them, conservative or liberal, but make sure they’re real economists and not stoolie pundits for FauxNews.
@@StamfordBridge yaaaaa you do. It'd make your political ideology look good. And that's a good indication for you to realize your the bad guy. I don't watch MSM, only tools watch MSNBC, fox or CNN. There's no indication of the economy going bad. Only far left radicals wanting it to happen, like bill Maher.
CoasterFanatics , don’t know where you heard that but it’s not true. They would basically be building another Tophat coaster like Pantheon. That would make since or good business practice.
Busch gardens Tampa is definitely the most likely to get one. BG Tampa get's more visitors (4.1 million) then Cedar point (3.2 million) and SF magic mountain (3.3 million) It'd be the tallest in the state Florida, and tallest in the south, beating Fury 325. It would be an icon of the Tampa bay area!!!
Same. I'm sure it will be my favorite coaster at Kings Island along with The Beast and probably one of my favorite coasters overall. Despite what people say it's not the shortest giga. It's actually longer and faster than Intimidator 305.
I wouldn’t expect for Cedar Fair to push the giga (B&M models), since they’ve installed the only gigas in all of North America, Only two of which are intamin. The west coast parks appear to not be pushing for one as much as the single rail, of the newer types of coasters. I agree that six flags would be the least likely given they have yet to install even one from the ground up. Pretty much agree with you on the points made. The problem with the smaller CF parks is that the company hasn’t even done a new coaster install, besides a wooden coaster, or some lower height steel coaster. I would think that either of the Busch parks would be the next primed to do a new giga. Other than the Busch parks, it’s highly unlikely, we’d see any smaller parks make that kind of investment, other than perhaps Dollywood? Or SDC.
In fact, i suspect that B&M projects are slowing in the North America markets after the 2020-22 time frame. Since building gigas isn’t a main focus for theme parks as much as the hypers by contrast, i don’t see what else B&M could be developing that is a main need for a coaster based park. Not every park has a dive coaster but is there really a huge demand for new dive coasters in North American parks? The hyper craze appears to also be slowing as many parks, the bigger ones have or will have one in the coming year. Only other two, or three parks I can see wanting a hyper after 2020, but that begs the question as Patrick said, why spend that on a hyper, rather than going full giga? Doubtful six flags will introduce a giga since they have yet to do so at any of their more popular parks, so that leaves the small family owned three -holiday world?, SDC, and Dollywood? Out of them, I suspect Dollywood would be the first of the three to get a hyper, or jump right to a giga if they go with taller, faster coasters of the B&M/Intamin stock. Maybe they’ll do a single rail T-Rex to distance themselves completely from the other parks having a giga
I agree. I could easily see them doing a TREX. They are known for being the fist for several coasters. Wild Eagle and Lighting Rod for example. Also you can look at outlaw run and Time Traveler at SDC as well.
CoasterFanatics agreed!! I think it makes the most business sense to invest in a major giga / trex coaster to solidify the park as having a rounded coaster collection. Dollywood seems to be the most primed, but I would imagine the other two also have more land that is available to build a larger coaster structure. Each park already has iconic coasters, introducing the trex or some form of a giga would definitely be a next logical step in terms of a major attraction that isn’t a new shopping/dinning/family fun center of sorts.
If six flags changes it’s ways I’m gonna say magic mountain great adventure and great America will get gigas but for now definitely not gonna happen maybe mid to late 2020s
You're right about a couple of them CGA has height restrictions and apparently has office buildings close by, that's why Goldstriker has the weird walls. Sea World SD is on city land and needs everything to get past the coastal commission. I was shocked they got the dive coaster and skyrocket 2 approved. Knotts is in a neighborhood but they do have Xcellerator so maybe but they dont have much room.
Yeah the California parks are tough to get approval for new attractions. Maybe magic mountain someday but I don't see a Giga coming to California anytime soon.
I think it's a solid assessment. The one other I'd throw in would be Magic Mountain...I think Viper's days are numbered and the entrance to that park with x2 and a giga would be impressive and would really round out their already epic line up.
mike colletta I been saying it for years they have that huge picnic pavilion at the front of the park that is below X2 they take out viper and they can do a giga and a new entrance if they really wanted to
I wouldn't count out BGW - there's some filings for a 2021 project which may indicate they're still considering something massive. BGWFans has some great stuff on what has been unearthed so far.
Right it's like a waiver for 355 feet. I read that something was filed with the FAA recently and the coordinates for the highest point is somewhere near the Rhine River. That would be a crazy drop down into that ravine.
It sounds like they might be getting a launched giga like red force. This video was about a classic lift hill style giga. either way I hope they get one or the other.
Yes but a lot of parks need way more than a Giga. A Giga isn't a cure all to bring people back to the park. You have to make other investments as well. Some parks are so far behind their competition that it don't make sense to invest so much at this point.
Great minds think alike,i said to myself after this huge RMC project,that Tampa next big coaster should be a giga,it would complete there line up for sure.
As far as Holiday World goes, I think a hyper coaster would be a cool addition but the Voyage almost looks like a hyper coaster as you're driving by the park, even though it isn't. I'm not sure if they would do that but maybe down the road and knowing them, they would invest in a great coaster that would get a lot of attention since they're all about quality. However I think the most likely candidate for a new coaster there would be a GCI and I honestly can't think of a better addition for that park. I agree with what you said, Holiday World is a wooden coaster park and the idea of a more modern coaster design from GCI coming to that park in the future excites me! As far as a Giga, I agree with the 4 parks you picked out as likely candidates. I'm not sure the next time I'll get to Kings Island but I really hope Orion surprises me because the POVs don't get me as excited as I wish they did. The length of it is the biggest problem I have, it's too short. Like you said in your other video I don't like the name at all either, especially compared to the other coasters in their park. Yes they could have addressed the height controversy too but if it were a longer ride, I think most people would look past that. I'll wait until I ride it though to really see what it's like.
I like to hope Dorney Park would get the GIGA but you are probably right with Worlds of Fun out of the CF chain. If Dorney does get a new coaster probably a GCI in 2021.
@@CoasterFanatics Dorney has a height restriction, because of the township they're in. They had to fight to get Steel Force built in 1997. The neighbors near the park complained after Cedar Fair bought the park because they knew the new owners were going to build new rides which would draw more people and create more noise like screams from tall rides and coasters. The park responded by making coasters like Talon quieter by filling it with sand.
Kennywood actually isn't landlocked since they own the abandoned strip mall accross the street (ie they could expand into the parking lot and have more parking accross the street), a lot of the surrounding houses, and the hill behind Steel Curtain. They could remove Black Widdow for the station, have it go over Exterminator, and utilise the property where those houses currently are for most of it. It would likely turn around in the parking lot which would mean an exciting return trip being that it would be downhill like Voyage. I don't think it's likely to happen but I wouldn't rule it out. And Chance Morgan still does hypers and gigas, that's from their website.
After a quick search on rcdb the last coaster Six Flags built over 200 feet tall was actually Kingda Ka in 2005 (Goliath at SFOG in 2006 was exactly 200 feet if you want to count that).
Liked this breakdown. I immediately thought Worlds of Fun. It really sucks that Six Flags doesn't seem interested in Giga's. I feel though...Great Adventure could get one, but years down the line. With the announcement of the Jersey Devil it's unlikely to be the next 5 years. I wouldn't rule out Magic Mountain though. Six flags really loves what RMC is bringing.
I agree. Six flags unfortunately can't afford one after their Bankruptcy years ago. Perhaps someday they change their business strategy and build something big.
Six flags has ONE coaster more than 299 ft: Kingda Ka. I rode it two days ago and its is without a doubt awesome, but it's clear that it was a simple way for Six Flags Great Adventure to get the world record with minimal investment. Edit: Also Superman Escape from Krypton, but it’s a shuttle, so not a giga
To explain what I mean by “Minimal investment”, Cedar point built the first hyper, giga, and strata. All unbelievable at the time. Six Flags Great Adventure only built a strata for the world record, and would never waste money in that case on less than that, until it was completed. Edit: Fixed a typo
Havent watched the video yet, just want to say that people need to stop hating on orion. It would be nice if it was over 300 feet so there weren't arguments about whether it was a giga or not, but they paid the same price for orion as they did fury (30 mil). You can't expect them to pay that much more, since 30 million is already a lot.
Valleyfair has a height limit of 275 feet due to the nearby Flying Cloud airport so unless they drop it into a 30 ft. deep tunnel there will be no giga at Valleyfair.
That sounds great, But that park floods so bad that it can't have a tunnel filling up with water like that. Also Cedar Fair simply won't make that kind of investment at valleyfair.
@@CoasterFanatics but they could put a tunnel in the protected area! Plus they can put track supports in flood plains just not a station. But Valleyfair needs so many other things right now, like a full circuit invert!
nahhhh. nope. perhaps not for a while, but it's past time SF jumps on the giga-wagon. I'd pay particular attention to Asia and the Middle-East. Big things yet to come. thank you Dick Kinzel, Cedar Point, Intamin, B&M, and all the crazy coaster fans. for us these are built for we frequent their lines. [my North American ranking] #1 MF & F325 tie. [i can't seem to put one over the other] #2 Orion [i'm looking at you shorty!] #3 Leviathan #4 I305
@CoasterFinatics I don’t think worlds of fun will be getting a giga. Kansas City isn’t very huge so a giga wont bring the crowds cedar fair is looking for. World of fun definitely has the money and space. But won’t get attendance to boost super high
I agree, there are no other parks with a giga in that area. A giga there would be a great investment. It would definitely boost their attendance and give people a big reason to go there just like it did for Carowinds.
WOF doesn't produce even close to enough to justify a giga and to get the proper ROI. If WOF doubled or tripled their current financials they would still not be able to justify the investment and get the ROI
I think if Six Flags got a Giga it would probably be Magic Mountain, they are to Six Flags what Cedar Point is to Cedar Fair, but like you said they haven't built anything big in a long time, I didn't know that. I noticed that Herschend Family Ent. Own's Dollywood, I always thought Dolly Parton owned it, does she own some of it? That was a cool video!
Busch Gardens Williamsburg is HIGHLY rumoured to get a Giga in 2021. I can see some popping up in growing Cedar Fair parks. If Hershey can push their height limit in the back of the park, I could see them getting one in a decade or so. Anyway. BGW is very likely to get one. Sea World parks in general (past the BG parks) have potential. Good video, but to focused on Cedar Fair.
All the Cedar Fair parks that have the financials to get the proper ROI on a giga have gigas. except Knotts, which hasn't enough space. If KB had space they would have gotten one long ago b/c they are the #2 park in EBIDTA and are far ahead of #3 by 50M/yr in the last public info revealed on EBIDTA
Thanks, Yeah I think BGW will get a launched giga like red force. This was about the classic lift hill Giga's. Yeah I focused on Cedar Fair mostly because they are the only company currently building these things.
I want to see kings Island get or build a strata coaster with a launch and a lift hill to finish the climb but a 400 foot drop with back to back vertical loops or just 1 huge smooth inversion loop right after the first drop
I agree with your end analysis that Busch gardens Tampa is the only most likely candidate for one final giga. But the reasoning for no giga at Knott's or CGA is far more down to gov interference than Cedar Fair reluctance. They've already poo pooed the proposed hyper Cedar Fair wanted to put in CGA so they're out not by choice but by government bureaucracy
Exactly right, they need permission for 200+ and the counsel told them no Without it, they'd be a serious candidate for one and I honestly think Cedar Fair would want to sooner or later, but it's obviously not an option
@Craif Sherwood Don't talk when you don't know what you're talking about. The city of Santa Clara did not have any effect on the CGA hyper, they had FAA clearance and permits with the city approved for a 210 ft coaster. It's pubic info as Santa Clara puts everything online. that's how it was known last september they were doing a water park revamp, the permits were online and they actually started working on foundation work last december. CF choose to delay the hyper, the government had noting to with it.
@@CoasterFanatics Yeah, the height limit is extremely strict for Seaworld San Diego - in fact, they're outright ineligible for a hyper due to their height restrictions of parts of the park having structures being no taller than 160 ft. at any point in the park (and must be pained a certain way over 80 ft.) and in some places in the park no higher than 30 ft. Their Sky Tower there although it is 300 ft. tall is grandfathered in because it's been there for so long. California though is messed up enough though that any park will probably be yanked from that list right away
@@CoasterFanatics well them having Mako honestly just makes them more likely to get a giga IMO. Almost all of the world's giga coasters stand in the same park as a hyper coaster.
You knocked out knotts way too quickly, supposedly leviathan was meant for them but the project was shifted to wonderland which only proves that the park could definitely support or get a giga in the near future. The only way I see it possible though is if it either is really tall and built over already existing things either inside or maybe even outside the park OR built on the very outside skirt of the park in an out and back layout most similar to leviathan without much side to side action and mostly vertical action
Knotts was suppose to get a big a la Gatekeeper and it was the park that killed it b/c it would require altering Ghost town substantially. Corporate wanted to give it to them.
Definitely wouldn’t surpass. RMC Gwazi will rival SteVe, the giga would rival Millennium, but after that Valravn beats sheikra and Maverick beats cheetah hunt. Tampa has nothing to offer from there
Yeah I agree. I think they are Giga or a Strata away from being right there with Cedar Point. All their coasters are quality even their Schwarzkopf. CP still has a few rough and lackluster coasters. Mostly old Arrows that in my opinion are just taking up space.
If Holiday World got a Giga, Hyper, and RMC Raven or Legend they would be arguably the best Amusement Park in the world. They already have one of the best Water Parks in the world an upgraded coaster lineup would take them over the top.
California's Great America may be landlocked, but one thing possibly in their favor in regards to space issues is that they removed their perimeter scenic railway. This leaves a mile long corridor running around the park's perimeter which could be utilized if needed. It has been infringed upon in a few locations (waterpark and Gold Striker) but a giga coaster has the luxury of going over things rather than through them. Not saying it's particularly likely, just that the space is available.
There's a few parks in the US that could get a giga next. Hersheypark, Kennywood, SeaWorld Orlando, and Cedar Point could be the first park to have two gigas because why not?
I can agree with SeaWorld and Hershey. Kennywood doesn't have the space and it just wouldn't make sense foe CP to build a second one. If anything CP will be going for 500 feet next.
Good video right here and you say the facts right! Been waiting for this in years! Think Kingda ka was the last coaster over 200 feet by six flags lol? BGT has the damn room near the back of the park. SEAS has great relation with every great manufacturer and will work with anyone still even intamin! So it could be from any of the three big manufacturers? They already have a hyper down the road and SEAS wants to add different types of B&Ms to the state and is investing a lot in this park now, if only they used the Serengeti plan they would have sooo much space to work with. I hope in the next 10 years they break fury’s records since its a huge tradition for the park and they would do it im sure. I want to say getting falcons fury was a test to see if they want a Giga in the future.
Could see Cedar Point or Kings Dominion getting additional giga's to compliment their existing ones, especially given both (MF & I305) are very different from B&M's offerings.
I agree with some of what you say but I don’t have a problem with having a giga 2 hours away. Like KD BGW. I mean CP and KI are practically doing the same thing. Lol
While I think a huge drop followed by several other larger than normal airtime hills will always have it's place, I think Steel Vengeance's dynamic post mcbr has turned the industries attention in a different direction. Alan Shilke has alluded to the possibility of a mid gauge single rail that could support trains with side-by-side seating and fill the gap between the raptor and t-rex track. Perhaps, Chance rides could design a coaster with giga heights pre-mcbr and a hyper gt-x layout post mcbr and at an affordable price. Also, I think Dorney's proximity to Great Adventure and Hershey Park would be a reason CF would want to start heavily investing in it.
Yeah we will have to see what happens. Dorney is so far behind both of those parks as far as their coaster collection goes. It would take a lot to pull crowds from both of those parks.
LiamTheGandhiLlama LTGL They can take over the east parking lot by Soak City and build a giga there, while building a couple of multi-level story car garages on the north side of Knotts on La Palma.
Valley fair maybe could. Did you read about their stock portfolio and how much guest increases have been the past few years? Valley fair can be on cedar fair's radar by the next few years
@@grobble8954 Thanks for clarifying :) It seems that applying for variances for height comes with the territory for them. If BGW did go for a GIGA which I definitely hope they do eventually, they could do something incredibly unique given the topography of that park.
Six Flags may build a giga for some of the parks over seas that they are currently building. I could see a hyper go to Holiday World in the near future but not a giga. Silver Dollar City has the land for a giga, and they already have a great lineup of rides to go with the giga. I feel like they could get a giga in around 7-8 years after some smaller coasters and expansions
Valleyfair can never get a giga due to the nearby airport, rides are limited to 275'. I do wish valleyfair would get a new coaster in since its been 13 years since the newest coaster renegade was made.
Hersheypark built a B&M hyper because it is graceful and will appeal to the general public. Even though coaster enthusiasts praise skyrush for it's intensity, the general public don't like skyrush as much since it is very intense. A B&M hyper would be less intense and more graceful so that will appeal to the general public.
I agree and I get that however look how popular all the Gigas are. everybody loves them. I think they could have done a giga and still got the same effect.
I think CGA could remove grizzly for the station and line for a giga that goes around the park then has a twister ending to fill in the rest of the space. Kinda seems stretched but my Valleyfair idea was also stretched. But I don’t see one at sfga
Cedar Fair is probably done. Your right Worlds of Fun is probably the only CF park that would be next but I’m sure they will not get one, WOF needs to address other things first. Six Flags is building the weirdest stuff to the point that I’m not sure if they want to be in competition with CF at all. Either of the Busch Gardens parks are likely.
Smart on the red X in Six Flags. I feel they’ve gone super cheap on rides and don’t really build anything new and quality from other manufacturers all except from the same coaster from S&S. No B&M or Intamin or Vekoma. Six Flags is a major let down in my opinion. I could see Knott’s getting a giga. True they’re land locked but if you look at what’s around it land wise they could build something truly special and amazing.
I'm going to say I disagree with a lot of your reasoning here. I highly, highly doubt Worlds of Fun will get a giga. It's a smaller park which doesn't get major investments, and doesn't need major investments to stay competitive. Ruling out parks due to "too much competition" also is a pretty bad strategy, since building better things is how you beat your competition. So I will definitely agree that Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, and Busch Gardens Tampa are good candidates for the next American Giga. I do think you ruled out Holiday World too quickly, since they have shown they want to expand into steel coasters with Thunderbird. Likewise with HersheyPark, who shows unpredictable construction practices and are a larger park with a larger population to draw from. They're a pretty good fit to receive one maybe in the next 10 years. Same with Busch Gardens Williamsburg and Seaworld Orlando, both large parks which could work with one. They'll need to get new additions a few years down the line, and I'd think they'd both be candidates for gigas in the next decade as well. Now I do think you're right about Disney and Universal. They won't be building any giga coasters. Upon some reflection I think you're right about Cedar Fair not building any more gigas, at least, not lift-hill-based non-T-Rex ones in parks which already have one (or are getting one). Worlds of Fun not being likely to get one rules out Valleyfair immediately, given Worlds of Fun has a greater population to draw from, and Knotts is too land-locked. California's Great America probably could squeeze one in currently, but if they're getting a hyper next then that's going to take up space, and I feel like RMC Grizzly would come after that, giving them 2 coasters which would probably be all they'd get for awhile. They're a bad candidate for the next decade, although maybe going into 2 decades they could start looking like a decent candidate. By process of elimination, that would actually leave Dorney Park as the most likely to get one, given that they're in an area with competition and population. I don't think this is likely, but maybe possible. Honestly I do think they lack the space to do it though. But I do think you ruled out Six Flags too quickly. Sure, I think they're bad candidates for the next 5 years, but once you start looking to 10 or 15 they do start looking a bit better. They did go bankrupt in the past, which harmed their additions for awhile, but it seems like they're slowly recovering and beginning to work on gradually larger projects. If you give them a few more years to get back on their feet, and maybe introduce the T-Rex giga, they might want to build one. I think realistically only 3 parks are candidates: Magic Mountain, Great Adventure, and Great America. All 3 have the population and attendance to allow for such a thing, and the first 2 definitely have the land for such a thing. Great America would have more problems, but if they removed their raft ride and ran the Giga along the train tracks, tangling with Maxx Force a bit, or if they removed both their raft ride and their flume, they could perhaps squeeze one in. So, with this I would say that I think it's unlikely we'll see another park (which doesn't already have a giga) receive a giga in North America within the next 5 years, maybe a 50/50 chance we'll see one within 10 years, and pretty likely we'll see one within 15-20 years. EDIT: Hersheypark is a bad candidate due to airport-related height restrictions (Like Kentucky Kingdom). Magic Mountain may also be more landlocked than it appeared to me, thus making a giga there more difficult. This was gathered from comments.
noname117spore but remember Hershey Park can’t ever build a giga, why? Well, they are very close to the city, and I think Airport, and they are not allowed to built over about 215/230 ft. Hence why they will have two hypers as of next year..
noname117spore Magic Mountain won't be a good candidate for a giga, for it itself will be landlocked by a major new housing development. Don't know much about Great America, but Great Adventure would definitely be the perfect candidate to receive one outta the three, with all that daggone room they have to expand; that IS if Six Flags was in a better position with their financial tactics which would allow them to build one.
@@seanlewis1148 Yeah, Great Adventure looks good for it. I thought Magic Mountain had more land to expand into based on Google Earth, but that could be misleading. Great America is very much land-locked but has the ability to get sneaky about it if they want to (and they remove a water ride or two).
There is a certain park that has a giga already but I could see them adding a 2nd to be the 1st park with 2. And talking with employees and members of the maintenance team there they all seem to agree that they think its a good idea.
A giga coaster would be just the thing to put Holiday World in Indiana on the map. I doubt they could make that kind of investment but it would certainly bring in a whole new crowd if they did.
Voyage is amazing however a lot of people will not ride wood coasters since in general they are rough. It;s hard to put yourself on the map with a wood coaster.
Great America actually couldn't build a giga even if they wanted too. They have an agreement with the nearby San Jose International Airport and I believe they cannot construct anything higher than 250 ft.
If Six Flags changes their business model, I could see one at Great Adventure and possibly Darien Lake bc of their huge amounts of land and Darien Lake seems to be getting more higher end investments
I’d kill for a giga at GrAdv. I’m super ecstatic about an RMC coming next year, and now all I want to see is a giga at my home park. It’ll really enhance our skyline, plus it’ll make us the second park to have a hyper, giga, and strata coaster. Hopefully SF will change its cheap business model soon
Yeah It;s possible with great Adventure. I don;t think so with Darien Lake. I think it's too close to Canada's Wonderland with their Leviathan Giga even though it's in another country.
I think you're mistaken on what competition means for additions. I'm not saying CF will add a hyper at Dorney, but it would go there before WOF. No competition + low attendance + small market doesn't equal a giga. They're more likely to see Dorney as a growth park and engage like they did at Carowinds.
I see your point but look how isolated carowinds is. It's pretty much by themselves. They pretty much have that market too themselves. They don't have that situation with Dorney or wof really. But I think WOF has a better shot for growth. Cedar fair would have to start investing in more than just a Giga to pull crowds from Hershey and SFGA to bring them to Dorney.
Dorney nor WOF have ever been considered growth parks by CF. They have commented on growth and priority investment parks neither are in the conversation.
Grobble I don't disagree. I just meant that DP would be a higher priority than WOF. WOF is never getting a giga. Dorney's almost certainly not getting one. My point was that Coaster Fanatic misunderstands theme park business. Parks in markets with no competition don't add rides as regularly. Carowinds is 4 hours from the Atlanta metro with SFOG and 3 hours from Dollywood. It has the rapidly growing Greenville-Spartanburg and Raleigh-Durham metros closeby. That's why it's growing, not because it has the market to itself
FalleyFair will never get a giga because of Flying Cloud Airport, unless they dig a deep trench for the first drop. With the MN river being next to them & flooding all the time I don't think that will happen.
@@rdbarne They have some tight areas, however the company seems to be moving away from animal exhibits. In Theory if they got rid of some of the land where the animals are they can use it for at least part of a Giga for sure.
Well I feel Michigan’s Adventure is the only park in the cedar fair list that I feel doesn’t have a coaster that’s over 200ft, do you guys think in the future that Michigan’s Adventure will get a big coaster?
I agree with everything you said here. But you shocked me with the Hersheypark coaster news. I had no idea they were getting another coaster, especially a hyper. I live close to this park. I thought this park was landlocked. Anyways, I just want to say the only real chance of getting another giga-coaster, is it will have to be free standing. Such as building the world's largest, tallest and biggest in a city like Las Vegas. And I'm talking well over 500 feet, full circuit. None of that shuttle shit!
Shocked by Hershey..LOL...You live close to the park? LOL X 100000 It's only been known for almost a year when they announced the new area,front gate, etc...
@@talos6202 Right busy at your meneal job. Don't worry the min wage will go up. If you live as close to the park as you claim your just fucking oblivious. I know people that love in philly and it was in the news a dozen times in the last year and they aren't even in to parks. They just bother to watch news and inform themselves on the world. Oh wait that's something intelligent people do..stay informed on what's going on near them. That clearly excludes you.
San Diego has regulations banning really tall roller coasters. They had to get special approval just to get a 150-foot coaster. So legally they can't build a hyper, let alone a giga at their Sea World or Six Flags San Diego.
Mystic Timbers Fanboy Won't happen. Magic Mountain is soon to be landlocked by a major housing development that will hinder expansion, and I highly doubt they'd remove one of their coasters, namely Viper, to put in one.
@@ArrowThrills Based on the current SIx Flags model, where they only buy the cheapest of the cheap and will absolutely never make any large investment, I don't ever see a giga coming to a Six Flags park. If it was the early to mid 2000s Six Flags, then I could see it happening. But not the Six Flags of today.
You make a valid point. A Giga in Florida might need extra supports. I will say that fury is in the Carolina's and has done well as far as I know even though it's pretty far from shore. Still, I'm sure it's still been through some pretty tough winds since being built.
Honestly I think it’s more likely that Gigas will be popping up overseas than at North American parks. Especially China.
I think some European parks will add some gigas
Coasters Down Up Definitely! Probably Energylandia maybe the next park to get one if you ask me. They are coaster crazy! It doesn’t matter what it is they will get it! Also I think Alton Towers could get a great giga coaster!
Coasters Down Up However China is growing so fast with parks and coasters. Eventually they will get a giga soon.
Coastervania Reviews if Alton towers could very get a giga! A 300 foot deep tunnel would be awesome! They can’t build a over the tree line btw
Alton Towers giga 2069
Dorney isn't competing with Dollywood. Not even in the same area of the country.
Yes Dollywood was a bit of a stretch. Was just mentioning some of the big parks in the general area. Parks on the east side of the country are very close to each other with multiple parks trying to bring in the same crowds in some cases. That was the point I was trying to make.
3:14 - Doney Park's competition is *not* Dollywood. Dollywood in Tennessee is far away.
CoasterFanatics I want kings dominion to get a gigs they need some more good coasters
@@seanrenzi6481 KD already has one! Intimidator 305.
@@seanrenzi6481 they already have one, but i'd love for them to get a hyper!
I agree with you Patrick. Cedar Fair and Six Flags are highly unlikely to build another traditional giga coaster.Sea World Entertainment might. In reality I don't think the numbers make sense for a park to build one as far as return on investment. I think the RMC T Rex is the future. Eventually someone will step up and build one and we"ll see how successful it is.
I sure hope so. I can't wait to see that happen.
Well, Busch gardens Tampa get more visitors then any other amusement park in the USA (outside of Disney, Universal, and the Orlando SeaWorld parks) at 4.1 million a year. Cedar point only gets 3 million, and SF Magic mountain gets 3.3 million. So i honestly agree with Patrick on Busch gardens Tampa getting a giga. I mean, it's already getting a steel vengeance killer (maybe)
I’ve been seeing seaworld build up San Diego I could possibly see a giga there and Tampa
@@tylerkriesel8590 Cedar Point draws 3.6 million visitors a year and is only open around 135 days a year. All the other parks you mention are open almost every day of the year. If a seasonal park like KI draws 3.5 million visitors a year and is open less than half the year and they STILL got a Giga, then other seasonal parks could still get one if their attendance was high enough. You would have to make a return on your investment of 30+ million dollars reasonably quick. Most parks don't already have a good enough line up to just add a Giga and expect an attendance boost of 10-20 percent to pay for their new coaster. Six flags are too cheap to spend 30 million for one park when they are spending millions at every park for small rides every year. For Cedar Fair, Knott's is the only park that has enough visitors to warrant a Giga, but they don't have the room to build one.
@@robertpolk9910 whatever, 3.6 million. Point is, the park(s) who are most likely to get one are either one of the Busch gardens parks. Preferably the one in Tampa
Hey guys, I hope you all enjoyed. Please let me know what you think in the comments. Is Orion the last Giga? If not, which parks do you think will get one? I'm interested to hear what you guys have to say about it. Thank you and ride on!!!!
BGT could use another B&M, and a giga coaster would make it better assuming it is not a fake giga. I'm putting a 2024 date on it.
Maybe one of the Busch Gardens or sea World parks might get one
I agree with most of what you say, but some of the criteria you list I don’t necessarily agree with. For example, you rule out parks because they have competition in their areas, whereas that could be a reason to rule them in - they feel they have to go big to compete. And also by process of elimination, you settle on Worlds of Fun in the CF chain, whereas they just don’t have a record of that kind of investment.
I think in general, the era of gigas has largely passed for U.S. amusement chains, and even Orion barely qualifies.
If I had to bet, I’d say we see no more gigas in the U.S. in the next twenty years. I hope I’m wrong. BUT if I had to pick one place, it might be Magic Mountain. They do have space issues, and yes SF are not spending much (especially if we’re heading into a recession), but SFMM is the chain’s flagship park, and they are in need of a new world-beater, perhaps for their twentieth.
Why would we be heading into a recession? The economy is really strong right now and unemployment is at a record low
Tyler Kriesel LOL. I can guess where you’re coming from. I get that notion from actual economists.
@@StamfordBridge naaaaa, i gotta good feeling you WANT an economic recession because you dislike a "certain person". but so far the economy is doing good. And has no reason to go bad, other then people who suffer from TDS who want it to go bad.
Tyler Kriesel And yep, you’re the type I thought you were. No one wants a recession, but I guess the ludicrous stereotype of someone who does helps you deal with reality. You should try stepping outside your bubble and experiencing the real world now and then. Start by reading and listening to actual economists - any of them, conservative or liberal, but make sure they’re real economists and not stoolie pundits for FauxNews.
@@StamfordBridge yaaaaa you do. It'd make your political ideology look good. And that's a good indication for you to realize your the bad guy. I don't watch MSM, only tools watch MSNBC, fox or CNN. There's no indication of the economy going bad. Only far left radicals wanting it to happen, like bill Maher.
This video should be called where will the next giga be built
Busch Gardens Williamsburg has already been approved for a 355 foot tall coaster for 2021.
That's what I'm saying
Yes they have, Howerever the big rumor is that it's a lunched giga like red force. It's not a lift hill which is what this video was all about.
CoasterFanatics , don’t know where you heard that but it’s not true. They would basically be building another Tophat coaster like Pantheon. That would make since or good business practice.
I want Busch gardens Tampa to get one after rmc guazi
Mark McCormick hahaha prolly not back to back coasters
I think they will be the next to build one but it will be a long time before that happens.
YESCCCC
Gwazi*
If that would happen they would be the first park to get coaster 3 year's straight that's absolutely on herd of but I am definitely not opposed to it.
Busch gardens Tampa is definitely the most likely to get one. BG Tampa get's more visitors (4.1 million) then Cedar point (3.2 million) and SF magic mountain (3.3 million) It'd be the tallest in the state Florida, and tallest in the south, beating Fury 325. It would be an icon of the Tampa bay area!!!
it only gets more visitors because it’s open year round
@@patrickrichardson9183 magic mountain is also opened year round, but Busch gardens Tampa still gets more visitors.
I could for sure see one going there.
@@tylerkriesel8590 Plus Sea World doesn't have an extremely small budget like Six Flags and isn't afraid to make large investments.
@@Koasterking212 right. And honestly, i can see both Busch's gardens parks getting a giga. One gets an Intamin and one gets a B&M.
I don't remember six flags building something over 200 feet
King da ka:AM I A JOKE TO YOU
They have, it's just been a long time since they've built anything over 200 feet.
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SFoT's Titan would like to have a word with you.
Titan was built in 2001. It's almost 20 years old now.
I’d love to see a giga coaster at Busch Gardens Tampa. That and RMC Gwazi would bring a lot of people to the park.
I couldn't agree more!
It already gets more visitors then cedar point and SF magic mountain.
I think you did a great job on rating these parks.
Thank you!
I can't wait to ride Orion!!
Me too. I hope it surprises me.
Same. I'm sure it will be my favorite coaster at Kings Island along with The Beast and probably one of my favorite coasters overall. Despite what people say it's not the shortest giga. It's actually longer and faster than Intimidator 305.
New 2020 devil coaster at six flags great adventure :)
Yes, looks pretty coll actually.
I wouldn’t expect for Cedar Fair to push the giga (B&M models), since they’ve installed the only gigas in all of North America,
Only two of which are intamin. The west coast parks appear to not be pushing for one as much as the single rail, of the newer types of coasters.
I agree that six flags would be the least likely given they have yet to install even one from the ground up.
Pretty much agree with you on the points made. The problem with the smaller CF parks is that the company hasn’t even done a new coaster install, besides a wooden coaster, or some lower height steel coaster.
I would think that either of the Busch parks would be the next primed to do a new giga. Other than the Busch parks, it’s highly unlikely, we’d see any smaller parks make that kind of investment, other than perhaps Dollywood? Or SDC.
In fact, i suspect that B&M projects are slowing in the North America markets after the 2020-22 time frame. Since building gigas isn’t a main focus for theme parks as much as the hypers by contrast, i don’t see what else B&M could be developing that is a main need for a coaster based park. Not every park has a dive coaster but is there really a huge demand for new dive coasters in North American parks? The hyper craze appears to also be slowing as many parks, the bigger ones have or will have one in the coming year. Only other two, or three parks I can see wanting a hyper after 2020, but that begs the question as Patrick said, why spend that on a hyper, rather than going full giga? Doubtful six flags will introduce a giga since they have yet to do so at any of their more popular parks, so that leaves the small family owned three -holiday world?, SDC, and Dollywood? Out of them, I suspect Dollywood would be the first of the three to get a hyper, or jump right to a giga if they go with taller, faster coasters of the B&M/Intamin stock. Maybe they’ll do a single rail T-Rex to distance themselves completely from the other parks having a giga
I agree. I could easily see them doing a TREX. They are known for being the fist for several coasters. Wild Eagle and Lighting Rod for example. Also you can look at outlaw run and Time Traveler at SDC as well.
CoasterFanatics agreed!! I think it makes the most business sense to invest in a major giga / trex coaster to solidify the park as having a rounded coaster collection. Dollywood seems to be the most primed, but I would imagine the other two also have more land that is available to build a larger coaster structure. Each park already has iconic coasters, introducing the trex or some form of a giga would definitely be a next logical step in terms of a major attraction that isn’t a new shopping/dinning/family fun center of sorts.
If six flags changes it’s ways I’m gonna say magic mountain great adventure and great America will get gigas but for now definitely not gonna happen maybe mid to late 2020s
I can't imagine MM getting a giga unless the remove goliath. They have absolutely no room for a ride that large.
Maybe someday but for now it's a no go.
You're right about a couple of them CGA has height restrictions and apparently has office buildings close by, that's why Goldstriker has the weird walls. Sea World SD is on city land and needs everything to get past the coastal commission. I was shocked they got the dive coaster and skyrocket 2 approved. Knotts is in a neighborhood but they do have Xcellerator so maybe but they dont have much room.
Yeah the California parks are tough to get approval for new attractions. Maybe magic mountain someday but I don't see a Giga coming to California anytime soon.
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I think it's a solid assessment. The one other I'd throw in would be Magic Mountain...I think Viper's days are numbered and the entrance to that park with x2 and a giga would be impressive and would really round out their already epic line up.
SF can not afford a giga, they can;t even afford a hyper.
Yeah as awesome as that would be, six flags just isn't spending that kind of money right now.
mike colletta I been saying it for years they have that huge picnic pavilion at the front of the park that is below X2 they take out viper and they can do a giga and a new entrance if they really wanted to
I wouldn't count out BGW - there's some filings for a 2021 project which may indicate they're still considering something massive. BGWFans has some great stuff on what has been unearthed so far.
Right it's like a waiver for 355 feet. I read that something was filed with the FAA recently and the coordinates for the highest point is somewhere near the Rhine River. That would be a crazy drop down into that ravine.
It sounds like they might be getting a launched giga like red force. This video was about a classic lift hill style giga. either way I hope they get one or the other.
Not to mention, that same filing indicates a top height of over 400 feet.
@@cleonituk right. I believe it's over 430 feet above sea level in total while its 355 feet above the ground.
Competition is a great reason for why a park should get a giga.
Yes but a lot of parks need way more than a Giga. A Giga isn't a cure all to bring people back to the park. You have to make other investments as well. Some parks are so far behind their competition that it don't make sense to invest so much at this point.
You didn’t make it sound like a 20-year timeline, but 5. In 20 years, there’s gotta be at least a couple more US Gigas. No doubt.
It's certainly possible. Parks need to find the space and be willing to spend big bucks for one.
Great minds think alike,i said to myself after this huge RMC project,that Tampa next big coaster should be a giga,it would complete there line up for sure.
lol thanks, a giga there would be so sweet!
As far as Holiday World goes, I think a hyper coaster would be a cool addition but the Voyage almost looks like a hyper coaster as you're driving by the park, even though it isn't. I'm not sure if they would do that but maybe down the road and knowing them, they would invest in a great coaster that would get a lot of attention since they're all about quality. However I think the most likely candidate for a new coaster there would be a GCI and I honestly can't think of a better addition for that park. I agree with what you said, Holiday World is a wooden coaster park and the idea of a more modern coaster design from GCI coming to that park in the future excites me!
As far as a Giga, I agree with the 4 parks you picked out as likely candidates. I'm not sure the next time I'll get to Kings Island but I really hope Orion surprises me because the POVs don't get me as excited as I wish they did. The length of it is the biggest problem I have, it's too short. Like you said in your other video I don't like the name at all either, especially compared to the other coasters in their park. Yes they could have addressed the height controversy too but if it were a longer ride, I think most people would look past that. I'll wait until I ride it though to really see what it's like.
Yeah I wouldn't mind an RMC at holiday world as well. Yeah we will have to see how Orion does. I hope it surprises me.
Cedar Point itself might get another giga before any other park does
Yeah I doubt that. I think they will go for 500 feet at some point.
I agree I think they'll get a B&M Giga to compliment MF in the next decade. Maybeeee even 500 ft.
I like to hope Dorney Park would get the GIGA but you are probably right with Worlds of Fun out of the CF chain. If Dorney does get a new coaster probably a GCI in 2021.
Yes more than likely a GCI is coming in 2021. I agree.
@@CoasterFanatics Dorney has a height restriction, because of the township they're in. They had to fight to get Steel Force built in 1997. The neighbors near the park complained after Cedar Fair bought the park because they knew the new owners were going to build new rides which would draw more people and create more noise like screams from tall rides and coasters. The park responded by making coasters like Talon quieter by filling it with sand.
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But where in the park?
Not quite a clone of blue fire
I think we will see maybe 1 or 2 more in the US. But hyper coasters at least will still show up
Yeah I see a lot of hypers over gigas for sure.
@@CoasterFanatics kinds dominion needs a hyper
@@mattyorshin unfortunately they'll be getting nothing but waterpark and kiddie land expansions for the foreseeable future.
I'm not so sure. after Volcano got removed they might get some love in 2021 or 2022.
Busch garden Tampa should get a Gigia next to kumba
That would be sweet!
CoasterFanatics it should be called panther strike
Kennywood actually isn't landlocked since they own the abandoned strip mall accross the street (ie they could expand into the parking lot and have more parking accross the street), a lot of the surrounding houses, and the hill behind Steel Curtain. They could remove Black Widdow for the station, have it go over Exterminator, and utilise the property where those houses currently are for most of it. It would likely turn around in the parking lot which would mean an exciting return trip being that it would be downhill like Voyage. I don't think it's likely to happen but I wouldn't rule it out. And Chance Morgan still does hypers and gigas, that's from their website.
that's a good point. Like you said though I don't see it happening at kennywood.
After a quick search on rcdb the last coaster Six Flags built over 200 feet tall was actually Kingda Ka in 2005 (Goliath at SFOG in 2006 was exactly 200 feet if you want to count that).
there such cheap bastards they really are
That's so sad compared to what the rest of the industry is building these days.
Im 100% sure Goliath would be taller if the park wasn’t sky-locked due to the nearby airport. Same goes for Acrophobia.
Liked this breakdown. I immediately thought Worlds of Fun. It really sucks that Six Flags doesn't seem interested in Giga's. I feel though...Great Adventure could get one, but years down the line. With the announcement of the Jersey Devil it's unlikely to be the next 5 years. I wouldn't rule out Magic Mountain though. Six flags really loves what RMC is bringing.
I agree. Six flags unfortunately can't afford one after their Bankruptcy years ago. Perhaps someday they change their business strategy and build something big.
Williamsburg’s would probably be the one
I hope so too
Sounds like a possible launch Giga coming in 2021 but not a classic lift hill style one.
CoasterFanatics considering they’re getting pantheon I’d say no way until 2023
Also, I believe Hershey park has strict height limit restrictions by law, something with the county or area they're in. I'm 90% certain of that.
Yeah they have restrictions. They need approval before they build anything over 200 feet I believe.
I think this is extremely possible
Kentucky kingdom is sky locked. They actually have some space for the giga but they have the air port that make them skylocked
true that, I forgot to mention that part.
Six flags has ONE coaster more than 299 ft: Kingda Ka. I rode it two days ago and its is without a doubt awesome, but it's clear that it was a simple way for Six Flags Great Adventure to get the world record with minimal investment.
Edit: Also Superman Escape from Krypton, but it’s a shuttle, so not a giga
It was actually over 25 million. Very expensive investment at the time. They haven't made that kind of investment since then.
CoasterFanatics Oh heck I actually didn’t know that.
SF went bankrupt b/c they spent irresponsibly, now they have a Capex formula which prevents then from even building a hyper.
To explain what I mean by “Minimal investment”, Cedar point built the first hyper, giga, and strata. All unbelievable at the time. Six Flags Great Adventure only built a strata for the world record, and would never waste money in that case on less than that, until it was completed.
Edit: Fixed a typo
Havent watched the video yet, just want to say that people need to stop hating on orion. It would be nice if it was over 300 feet so there weren't arguments about whether it was a giga or not, but they paid the same price for orion as they did fury (30 mil). You can't expect them to pay that much more, since 30 million is already a lot.
I hope to finally ride it this summer to give you guys my full review!
Valleyfair has a height limit of 275 feet due to the nearby Flying Cloud airport so unless they drop it into a 30 ft. deep tunnel there will be no giga at Valleyfair.
That sounds great, But that park floods so bad that it can't have a tunnel filling up with water like that. Also Cedar Fair simply won't make that kind of investment at valleyfair.
@@CoasterFanatics you are correct!
@@CoasterFanatics but they could put a tunnel in the protected area! Plus they can put track supports in flood plains just not a station. But Valleyfair needs so many other things right now, like a full circuit invert!
nahhhh. nope. perhaps not for a while, but it's past time SF jumps on the giga-wagon. I'd pay particular attention to Asia and the Middle-East. Big things yet to come. thank you Dick Kinzel, Cedar Point, Intamin, B&M, and all the crazy coaster fans. for us these are built for we frequent their lines.
[my North American ranking]
#1 MF & F325 tie. [i can't seem to put one over the other]
#2 Orion [i'm looking at you shorty!]
#3 Leviathan
#4 I305
Yeah I could see them investing in something big overseas. We shall see what happens.
They could make the Giga in florida taller than the tallest hill
I agree.
Worlds of Fun would be ideal. There are no GIGA’s west of the Mississippi.
True that, Imagine the excitement of a Giga opening over there!
@CoasterFinatics I don’t think worlds of fun will be getting a giga. Kansas City isn’t very huge so a giga wont bring the crowds cedar fair is looking for. World of fun definitely has the money and space. But won’t get attendance to boost super high
I agree 1000%
I agree, there are no other parks with a giga in that area. A giga there would be a great investment. It would definitely boost their attendance and give people a big reason to go there just like it did for Carowinds.
WOF doesn't produce even close to enough to justify a giga and to get the proper ROI. If WOF doubled or tripled their current financials they would still not be able to justify the investment and get the ROI
I think if Six Flags got a Giga it would probably be Magic Mountain, they are to Six Flags what Cedar Point is to Cedar Fair, but like you said they haven't built anything big in a long time, I didn't know that. I noticed that Herschend Family Ent. Own's Dollywood, I always thought Dolly Parton owned it, does she own some of it? That was a cool video!
I agree with what you said about magic mountain. Yes, dollywood is owned in a partnership with Dolly and Herschend. Thank you very much!
Busch Gardens Williamsburg is HIGHLY rumoured to get a Giga in 2021. I can see some popping up in growing Cedar Fair parks. If Hershey can push their height limit in the back of the park, I could see them getting one in a decade or so. Anyway. BGW is very likely to get one. Sea World parks in general (past the BG parks) have potential. Good video, but to focused on Cedar Fair.
All the Cedar Fair parks that have the financials to get the proper ROI on a giga have gigas. except Knotts, which hasn't enough space. If KB had space they would have gotten one long ago b/c they are the #2 park in EBIDTA and are far ahead of #3 by 50M/yr in the last public info revealed on EBIDTA
Thanks, Yeah I think BGW will get a launched giga like red force. This was about the classic lift hill Giga's. Yeah I focused on Cedar Fair mostly because they are the only company currently building these things.
@@CoasterFanatics The blueprints show to be a B&M. Why would they get a launch after Pantheon.
I want to see kings Island get or build a strata coaster with a launch and a lift hill to finish the climb but a 400 foot drop with back to back vertical loops or just 1 huge smooth inversion loop right after the first drop
I dont think thats gonna happen
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I agree with your end analysis that Busch gardens Tampa is the only most likely candidate for one final giga.
But the reasoning for no giga at Knott's or CGA is far more down to gov interference than Cedar Fair reluctance. They've already poo pooed the proposed hyper Cedar Fair wanted to put in CGA so they're out not by choice but by government bureaucracy
Yeah it's California. That place is a mess right now.
Doesn’t cga have a height limit as well?
Exactly right, they need permission for 200+ and the counsel told them no
Without it, they'd be a serious candidate for one and I honestly think Cedar Fair would want to sooner or later, but it's obviously not an option
@Craif Sherwood
Don't talk when you don't know what you're talking about. The city of Santa Clara did not have any effect on the CGA hyper, they had FAA clearance and permits with the city approved for a 210 ft coaster. It's pubic info as Santa Clara puts everything online. that's how it was known last september they were doing a water park revamp, the permits were online and they actually started working on foundation work last december. CF choose to delay the hyper, the government had noting to with it.
@@CoasterFanatics Yeah, the height limit is extremely strict for Seaworld San Diego - in fact, they're outright ineligible for a hyper due to their height restrictions of parts of the park having structures being no taller than 160 ft. at any point in the park (and must be pained a certain way over 80 ft.) and in some places in the park no higher than 30 ft. Their Sky Tower there although it is 300 ft. tall is grandfathered in because it's been there for so long.
California though is messed up enough though that any park will probably be yanked from that list right away
I think you could round out your list to 5 parks, it is safe to say that SWO could easily incorporate a giga into their lineup.
Yeah I'm on the fence with them because they have Mako. It would be awesome if they got one though.
@@CoasterFanatics well them having Mako honestly just makes them more likely to get a giga IMO. Almost all of the world's giga coasters stand in the same park as a hyper coaster.
I agree with your outcome, except to say the #5 spot after the 4 you chose would be Holiday World. Great deduction!
I would love to see one there, Don't think it will happen though.
300 ft wood/hybrid coaster at Kings Island on the 50th anniversary of The Beast
You knocked out knotts way too quickly, supposedly leviathan was meant for them but the project was shifted to wonderland which only proves that the park could definitely support or get a giga in the near future. The only way I see it possible though is if it either is really tall and built over already existing things either inside or maybe even outside the park OR built on the very outside skirt of the park in an out and back layout most similar to leviathan without much side to side action and mostly vertical action
Yeah as nice as it would be I just don't see it. They don't have much room at all for one of these coasters.
Knotts was suppose to get a big a la Gatekeeper and it was the park that killed it b/c it would require altering Ghost town substantially. Corporate wanted to give it to them.
If Tampa built a giga they'd probably rival if not surpass Cedar Point
Definitely wouldn’t surpass. RMC Gwazi will rival SteVe, the giga would rival Millennium, but after that Valravn beats sheikra and Maverick beats cheetah hunt. Tampa has nothing to offer from there
@@pasta692 Montu is better than Raptor and Kumba is a great sitdown which Id put against Rougarou which meaning Kumba is better
@Pasta & @Capital Thrills Valravn vs shiekra? Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh too close
Yeah I agree. I think they are Giga or a Strata away from being right there with Cedar Point. All their coasters are quality even their Schwarzkopf. CP still has a few rough and lackluster coasters. Mostly old Arrows that in my opinion are just taking up space.
Capital Thrills That still leaves CP with TTD and gatekeeper at least over Tampa
If Holiday World got a Giga, Hyper, and RMC Raven or Legend they would be arguably the best Amusement Park in the world. They already have one of the best Water Parks in the world an upgraded coaster lineup would take them over the top.
Cedar points probably going to be building ANOTHER giga
zero chance they have no room for another major coaster
Cedar Point is landlocked.
They have plenty of land! They’re even adding four acres to the peninsula. Cedar Point will build what they want to build, without many removals.
Yeah they aren't getting another Giga, I suspect they will push to go over 500 feet at some point though.
I doubt it.
California's Great America may be landlocked, but one thing possibly in their favor in regards to space issues is that they removed their perimeter scenic railway. This leaves a mile long corridor running around the park's perimeter which could be utilized if needed. It has been infringed upon in a few locations (waterpark and Gold Striker) but a giga coaster has the luxury of going over things rather than through them. Not saying it's particularly likely, just that the space is available.
I could definitely see a giga going there some day.
That makes sense, however I believe that park has a height restriction as well.
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that would be cool
I hope ground-up, because I actually enjoyed their old woodie
There's a few parks in the US that could get a giga next. Hersheypark, Kennywood, SeaWorld Orlando, and Cedar Point could be the first park to have two gigas because why not?
I can agree with SeaWorld and Hershey. Kennywood doesn't have the space and it just wouldn't make sense foe CP to build a second one. If anything CP will be going for 500 feet next.
I see either Busch gardens parks getting one in the next 20 years
I sure hope so.
Man I thought Michigan’s adventure would be getting a giga maybe they’ll get a strata would work good in the line up.
Cedar fair would never spend that kind of money there unfortunately.
That park is one of the worst in the chain no way they are getting a giga and a strata will go to cedar point first
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Good video right here and you say the facts right! Been waiting for this in years! Think Kingda ka was the last coaster over 200 feet by six flags lol? BGT has the damn room near the back of the park. SEAS has great relation with every great manufacturer and will work with anyone still even intamin! So it could be from any of the three big manufacturers? They already have a hyper down the road and SEAS wants to add different types of B&Ms to the state and is investing a lot in this park now, if only they used the Serengeti plan they would have sooo much space to work with. I hope in the next 10 years they break fury’s records since its a huge tradition for the park and they would do it im sure. I want to say getting falcons fury was a test to see if they want a Giga in the future.
Thank you very much! I think a Giga would fit in so good there. I don;t know if they can bury Fury but they can certainly build a solid Giga here.
CoasterFanatics they may just try to edge it out but we’ll see oneday
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Could see Cedar Point or Kings Dominion getting additional giga's to compliment their existing ones, especially given both (MF & I305) are very different from B&M's offerings.
Yeah I don't see that even though it would be pretty cool. I see Cedar Point going for 500 feet next if anything.
I agree with some of what you say but I don’t have a problem with having a giga 2 hours away. Like KD BGW. I mean CP and KI are practically doing the same thing. Lol
Yeah i see your point but KI and CP feed off each other with the crowds. KD and BGW will only pull crowds away from each other.
Yes. Especially when I305 is a low to to the ground Intamin. I wouldn't rule it out.
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I hope so!
While I think a huge drop followed by several other larger than normal airtime hills will always have it's place, I think Steel Vengeance's dynamic post mcbr has turned the industries attention in a different direction. Alan Shilke has alluded to the possibility of a mid gauge single rail that could support trains with side-by-side seating and fill the gap between the raptor and t-rex track. Perhaps, Chance rides could design a coaster with giga heights pre-mcbr and a hyper gt-x layout post mcbr and at an affordable price.
Also, I think Dorney's proximity to Great Adventure and Hershey Park would be a reason CF would want to start heavily investing in it.
Yeah we will have to see what happens. Dorney is so far behind both of those parks as far as their coaster collection goes. It would take a lot to pull crowds from both of those parks.
Knott's could do an over-parking lot hyper but that's about it
Yeah that is possible. It would have such a strict no article policy too since they wouldn't want objects hitting people and cars in the lot, lol.
LiamTheGandhiLlama LTGL They can take over the east parking lot by Soak City and build a giga there, while building a couple of multi-level story car garages on the north side of Knotts on La Palma.
not sure why disney is even talked about....they stay under 200ft always to avoid having to put lights on top of anything that would ruin the skyline.
lol true that. If i didn't include them people would ask why not probably.
SFMM - Giga T-Rex sometime in the early 2020's?
Goliath has a drop of 255' - the park needs a Giga I think!
@@RedKnight-fn6jr they certainly can use one however six flags isn't currently making those types of investments. Maybe someday that will change.
Even that would be outside of Six Flags' extremely small budget.
I believe it's highly a probability since RMC Raptors are already in the Six Flags chain.
Valley fair maybe could. Did you read about their stock portfolio and how much guest increases have been the past few years? Valley fair can be on cedar fair's radar by the next few years
Valley Fair's EBIDTA is in the low to mid double digits, they aren't even close to having the financials to support a giga
potentially someday, I'd love to see Cedar Fair make some kind of investment in Valleyfair.
Both BGW and Sea World San Diego are height-capped.
not so sure, The big rumor is that BGW was approved for something over 300 feet.
@@CoasterFanatics 355 feet
BGW has a height waver already to go up to 355ft. . San Diego is capped thus why their Dive is so small.
@@grobble8954 Thanks for clarifying :) It seems that applying for variances for height comes with the territory for them. If BGW did go for a GIGA which I definitely hope they do eventually, they could do something incredibly unique given the topography of that park.
Six Flags may build a giga for some of the parks over seas that they are currently building. I could see a hyper go to Holiday World in the near future but not a giga. Silver Dollar City has the land for a giga, and they already have a great lineup of rides to go with the giga. I feel like they could get a giga in around 7-8 years after some smaller coasters and expansions
Yeah I suppose six flags could spend that money overseas. we shall see. Yeah I think a Giga at SDC would be very cool.
Valleyfair can never get a giga due to the nearby airport, rides are limited to 275'. I do wish valleyfair would get a new coaster in since its been 13 years since the newest coaster renegade was made.
Hersheypark built a B&M hyper because it is graceful and will appeal to the general public. Even though coaster enthusiasts praise skyrush for it's intensity, the general public don't like skyrush as much since it is very intense. A B&M hyper would be less intense and more graceful so that will appeal to the general public.
I agree and I get that however look how popular all the Gigas are. everybody loves them. I think they could have done a giga and still got the same effect.
I’m pretty sure Hershey park has a height limit of 220
Could you do a video on the next Hypercoaster parks?
Sure, I will keep that on in mind!
Great America is going to get one
California or Illinois?
@@CoasterFanatics don't matter, neither are lol
I think CGA could remove grizzly for the station and line for a giga that goes around the park then has a twister ending to fill in the rest of the space. Kinda seems stretched but my Valleyfair idea was also stretched. But I don’t see one at sfga
Cedar Fair is probably done. Your right Worlds of Fun is probably the only CF park that would be next but I’m sure they will not get one, WOF needs to address other things first. Six Flags is building the weirdest stuff to the point that I’m not sure if they want to be in competition with CF at all. Either of the Busch Gardens parks are likely.
SF can not afford a giga under their Capex formula.
I agree.
Smart on the red X in Six Flags. I feel they’ve gone super cheap on rides and don’t really build anything new and quality from other manufacturers all except from the same coaster from S&S. No B&M or Intamin or Vekoma. Six Flags is a major let down in my opinion.
I could see Knott’s getting a giga. True they’re land locked but if you look at what’s around it land wise they could build something truly special and amazing.
Yeah they would have to expand outside the park to make it happen.
I sure hope it isn't the last I want another park that isn't a Cedar Fair property to get a Giga
I agree. me too!
Coaster Dude The next closest to Cedar Fair that I personally can see to start building gigas would be Sea World.....possibly Orlando.
Sean Lewis lmao Orlando doesn’t have the room for it there sorry. Bgt is your only shot in Florida tbh
I don't think it will be.
The other thing about Kentucky Kingdom is they have a height restriction due to a nearby airport, sort of left that bit out :P
That is also true you are correct.
I'm going to say I disagree with a lot of your reasoning here. I highly, highly doubt Worlds of Fun will get a giga. It's a smaller park which doesn't get major investments, and doesn't need major investments to stay competitive. Ruling out parks due to "too much competition" also is a pretty bad strategy, since building better things is how you beat your competition.
So I will definitely agree that Dollywood, Silver Dollar City, and Busch Gardens Tampa are good candidates for the next American Giga. I do think you ruled out Holiday World too quickly, since they have shown they want to expand into steel coasters with Thunderbird. Likewise with HersheyPark, who shows unpredictable construction practices and are a larger park with a larger population to draw from. They're a pretty good fit to receive one maybe in the next 10 years. Same with Busch Gardens Williamsburg and Seaworld Orlando, both large parks which could work with one. They'll need to get new additions a few years down the line, and I'd think they'd both be candidates for gigas in the next decade as well.
Now I do think you're right about Disney and Universal. They won't be building any giga coasters. Upon some reflection I think you're right about Cedar Fair not building any more gigas, at least, not lift-hill-based non-T-Rex ones in parks which already have one (or are getting one). Worlds of Fun not being likely to get one rules out Valleyfair immediately, given Worlds of Fun has a greater population to draw from, and Knotts is too land-locked. California's Great America probably could squeeze one in currently, but if they're getting a hyper next then that's going to take up space, and I feel like RMC Grizzly would come after that, giving them 2 coasters which would probably be all they'd get for awhile. They're a bad candidate for the next decade, although maybe going into 2 decades they could start looking like a decent candidate. By process of elimination, that would actually leave Dorney Park as the most likely to get one, given that they're in an area with competition and population. I don't think this is likely, but maybe possible. Honestly I do think they lack the space to do it though.
But I do think you ruled out Six Flags too quickly. Sure, I think they're bad candidates for the next 5 years, but once you start looking to 10 or 15 they do start looking a bit better. They did go bankrupt in the past, which harmed their additions for awhile, but it seems like they're slowly recovering and beginning to work on gradually larger projects. If you give them a few more years to get back on their feet, and maybe introduce the T-Rex giga, they might want to build one. I think realistically only 3 parks are candidates: Magic Mountain, Great Adventure, and Great America. All 3 have the population and attendance to allow for such a thing, and the first 2 definitely have the land for such a thing. Great America would have more problems, but if they removed their raft ride and ran the Giga along the train tracks, tangling with Maxx Force a bit, or if they removed both their raft ride and their flume, they could perhaps squeeze one in.
So, with this I would say that I think it's unlikely we'll see another park (which doesn't already have a giga) receive a giga in North America within the next 5 years, maybe a 50/50 chance we'll see one within 10 years, and pretty likely we'll see one within 15-20 years.
EDIT: Hersheypark is a bad candidate due to airport-related height restrictions (Like Kentucky Kingdom). Magic Mountain may also be more landlocked than it appeared to me, thus making a giga there more difficult. This was gathered from comments.
noname117spore but remember Hershey Park can’t ever build a giga, why? Well, they are very close to the city, and I think Airport, and they are not allowed to built over about 215/230 ft. Hence why they will have two hypers as of next year..
@@braaandon5716 Ok, that makes sense. That should've been mentioned in the video. Same with Kentucky Kingdom.
noname117spore Magic Mountain won't be a good candidate for a giga, for it itself will be landlocked by a major new housing development. Don't know much about Great America, but Great Adventure would definitely be the perfect candidate to receive one outta the three, with all that daggone room they have to expand; that IS if Six Flags was in a better position with their financial tactics which would allow them to build one.
@@seanlewis1148 Yeah, Great Adventure looks good for it. I thought Magic Mountain had more land to expand into based on Google Earth, but that could be misleading. Great America is very much land-locked but has the ability to get sneaky about it if they want to (and they remove a water ride or two).
Dorney Park GIGA DIVE all the way
There is a certain park that has a giga already but I could see them adding a 2nd to be the 1st park with 2. And talking with employees and members of the maintenance team there they all seem to agree that they think its a good idea.
I highly doubt it but hey ya never know.
A giga coaster would be just the thing to put Holiday World in Indiana on the map. I doubt they could make that kind of investment but it would certainly bring in a whole new crowd if they did.
The Voyage puts them on the map now.
Yeah it would definitely bring in the people built I think it's too expensive for them.
Voyage is amazing however a lot of people will not ride wood coasters since in general they are rough. It;s hard to put yourself on the map with a wood coaster.
Great America actually couldn't build a giga even if they wanted too. They have an agreement with the nearby San Jose International Airport and I believe they cannot construct anything higher than 250 ft.
They could take a page from Alton Towers and dig down instead of going up.
That would cost so much money to dig down that far. I don't see it happening.
@@CoasterFanatics Yeah, I thought of that right after I posted.
valleyfair has a 275 ft limit as well sadly
I hope we get one in Tampa !!!!
It would be the perfect spot for one.
I could see great adventure upping there game and getting a giga.
For the 100000000000000000000000th time SF can not afford a hyper, let alone a giga under their Capex formula.
They have the space, Unfortunately not the funds to back it up.
If Six Flags changes their business model, I could see one at Great Adventure and possibly Darien Lake bc of their huge amounts of land and Darien Lake seems to be getting more higher end investments
Gadv yes, possibly.
Darien Lake, no.
@@llamadrama5105 we'll see, I highly doubt it happens
I’d kill for a giga at GrAdv. I’m super ecstatic about an RMC coming next year, and now all I want to see is a giga at my home park. It’ll really enhance our skyline, plus it’ll make us the second park to have a hyper, giga, and strata coaster. Hopefully SF will change its cheap business model soon
Yeah It;s possible with great Adventure. I don;t think so with Darien Lake. I think it's too close to Canada's Wonderland with their Leviathan Giga even though it's in another country.
Darien lake could get a giga at some point, but they aren’t the biggest park in the world with really one coaster that is really above average
I would keep your eye on Williamsburg
I think they will get a launch Giga like red force. Not a long list hill Giga though.
CoasterFanatics I can dream of a traditional lift Giga though
lol I hope your dreams come true.
I think you're mistaken on what competition means for additions. I'm not saying CF will add a hyper at Dorney, but it would go there before WOF. No competition + low attendance + small market doesn't equal a giga. They're more likely to see Dorney as a growth park and engage like they did at Carowinds.
I see your point but look how isolated carowinds is. It's pretty much by themselves. They pretty much have that market too themselves. They don't have that situation with Dorney or wof really. But I think WOF has a better shot for growth. Cedar fair would have to start investing in more than just a Giga to pull crowds from Hershey and SFGA to bring them to Dorney.
Dorney nor WOF have ever been considered growth parks by CF. They have commented on growth and priority investment parks neither are in the conversation.
Grobble I don't disagree. I just meant that DP would be a higher priority than WOF. WOF is never getting a giga. Dorney's almost certainly not getting one.
My point was that Coaster Fanatic misunderstands theme park business. Parks in markets with no competition don't add rides as regularly. Carowinds is 4 hours from the Atlanta metro with SFOG and 3 hours from Dollywood. It has the rapidly growing Greenville-Spartanburg and Raleigh-Durham metros closeby. That's why it's growing, not because it has the market to itself
FalleyFair will never get a giga because of Flying Cloud Airport, unless they dig a deep trench for the first drop. With the MN river being next to them & flooding all the time I don't think that will happen.
Yeah pretty much zero percent chance.
Busch Gardens Williamsburg
*Tampa
@@mattmacmillan8711 lol maybe both someday!
Does Tampa have room?
@@rdbarne They have some tight areas, however the company seems to be moving away from animal exhibits. In Theory if they got rid of some of the land where the animals are they can use it for at least part of a Giga for sure.
Busch gardens put in a 350 foot height wavier
Char Cren Leaked plans show it to likely be a Red Force like coaster
phobia dang it
Yeah it isn't a lift hill style giga unfortunately.
Well I feel Michigan’s Adventure is the only park in the cedar fair list that I feel doesn’t have a coaster that’s over 200ft, do you guys think in the future that Michigan’s Adventure will get a big coaster?
I think they will get some coasters at some point but I wouldn't count on Cedar fair building a hyper there.
I agree with everything you said here. But you shocked me with the Hersheypark coaster news. I had no idea they were getting another coaster, especially a hyper. I live close to this park. I thought this park was landlocked. Anyways, I just want to say the only real chance of getting another giga-coaster, is it will have to be free standing. Such as building the world's largest, tallest and biggest in a city like Las Vegas. And I'm talking well over 500 feet, full circuit. None of that shuttle shit!
Shocked by Hershey..LOL...You live close to the park? LOL X 100000 It's only been known for almost a year when they announced the new area,front gate, etc...
@@grobble8954 i live within driving distance. And unlike your life, I've been quite busy.
@@talos6202 Right busy at your meneal job. Don't worry the min wage will go up. If you live as close to the park as you claim your just fucking oblivious. I know people that love in philly and it was in the news a dozen times in the last year and they aren't even in to parks. They just bother to watch news and inform themselves on the world. Oh wait that's something intelligent people do..stay informed on what's going on near them. That clearly excludes you.
I'm happy you found out about Hershey from this video. Yeah 500 feet would be so awesome!
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Yes Hershey park has height limits
lol yep, I heard it in a video game called test drive eve of destruction.
@@CoasterFanatics SAME that's where I found it too
San Diego has regulations banning really tall roller coasters. They had to get special approval just to get a 150-foot coaster. So legally they can't build a hyper, let alone a giga at their Sea World or Six Flags San Diego.
There is no Six Flags San Diego
Yeah there is no six flags San Diego. But yeah they had to paint their dive coaster sky blue to blend in with the sky. That was part of the agreement.
I feel like Orion is gonna be the last Giga coaster in North America
Don't froget a six flags magic mountain they have a lot of land to build a giga coaster
Mystic Timbers Fanboy Won't happen. Magic Mountain is soon to be landlocked by a major housing development that will hinder expansion, and I highly doubt they'd remove one of their coasters, namely Viper, to put in one.
@@seanlewis1148 well they have a that dry land where they could build a giga coaster
@@ArrowThrills Based on the current SIx Flags model, where they only buy the cheapest of the cheap and will absolutely never make any large investment, I don't ever see a giga coming to a Six Flags park. If it was the early to mid 2000s Six Flags, then I could see it happening. But not the Six Flags of today.
@@Koasterking212 who knows mybe a six flags park could get a giga in next 20 years
I'd like to see how a giga can withstand a hurricane in Florida maybe that's why they dont build massive lifts. Just an idea.
You make a valid point. A Giga in Florida might need extra supports. I will say that fury is in the Carolina's and has done well as far as I know even though it's pretty far from shore. Still, I'm sure it's still been through some pretty tough winds since being built.
If S&S or RMC can get that high, then no.
They are certainly crazy enough to go that high, lol.
Worlds of fun needs more love.
I agree!