EXTENDED DISCUSSION: / review-escape-from-new... Mike and Jay discuss the John Carpenter "action" "classic" Escape from New York. Spoilers: Jay loves it and Mike kind of tolerates it.
If I really set myself to it, I’m sure I could find five or six Star Trek episodes that are evoked here. But that’s a lot of effort. I’m too tired. Maybe later.
@@mactastico1818 I genuinely believe this, you can see him try and fight what he does like about it. It's like when he always picks a different botw from the others.
That was one of the lines in the novelisation (by Mike McQuay) ... When Snake first meets Maggie; "He wanted to wink at her, but he didn't have enough eyes ..."
I had the same feeling finding out that Mike doesn't like my favourite John Carpenter movies that I did when I found out my girlfriend didn't like my parents. I mean, can we even date anymore?
Most of the outdoor scenes were shot in St Louis, actually. A couple of years before some blocks were ravaged by a fire and they hadn’t cleaned it up or let the inhabitants return yet. Also, most of the action takes place at night which helps to make you believe you’re in NY.
I genuinely love this stuff and wouldn’t change a second of it. When they compare the music in an action scene with a more traditional “Hollywood” score, the latter completely destroys it. It’s not more exciting, just generic and tacky. The moody and ambient music gives the scene melancholic but not depressing darkness, that makes you feel like you’re watching characters tussle on a cold, endless night. I’m being hyperbolic, I know, but Escape from New York is a genuinely beautiful film, to me. It’s pure western, with all the amorality and fight-for-survival that that genre took on in the ‘60s and ‘70s, but with a gritty, urban, socially pessimistic sci-fi quality that stood in refreshing contrast to the space operas ushered in by Star Wars. To replace all that with caricature and bombast, to make something more like a generic schlocker, would have been a crime.
John Carpenter was really great at making movies that feature Kurt Russell doing a cowboy impression while wandering around not having any idea what's going on.
The main theme in this movie is incredible. I saw Escape for the first time when I was about 14. For over a decade I didn't see it again. At least once a week for those ten years I'd find myself humming the intro music. Love love love Carpenter's score.
I fell asleep listening to the Blade Runner soundtrack on youtube like 8 months ago. I woke up a few hours later and Powerglove's Nightforce was playing. I have been hooked ever since.You gotta' understand, as much as Jay is a complete hack/sellout/shill he's also a genius and super cool.
xxxaragon Well, I was just at a synthwave meetup party last weekend where i met both artists and other fans like myself, and they said this was their biggest turnout yet compared to the previous years.
I discovered this low-budget gem because of you guys! There's a lot of difference between b-movies and bad movies, and John Carpenter really is one of the b-movie masters.
On the topic of the musical score, it's all about the synthesizer. That was the soundtrack to every child in the 80's who grew up on silly action movies.
"YOU'RE THE DUKE!!" I'm sad to say I'm more in Mike's camp, although I guess I only liked it instead of tolerated. I'd say what I liked most about it was the cast, particularly Lee Van Cleef and Ernest Borgnine.
Please re:View John Carpenter's "The Thing". Like "Jaws", it's a film that supersedes the original print material. There is nothing in the short story that compares to the suspense of the blood test scene.
This movie heavily influenced Hideo Kojima when making MGS. Snake Plinsken (Alias Solid Snake used in MGS2) He molded Ocelot after Lee Van Cleef. Snake of course Eye Patch from this Bandanna from Rambo. I love this movie
I think Mike has the wrong mindset for this movie. It's not trying to be just a standard action movie and that's one of the many reasons why people love it. I wish the review was a bit longer and that Jay would've tried harder to defend the movie.
JustNoise They also banned people in New York City from calling 911 when they had an emergency too, because it kept reminding people of that tragic day. Now we use 119 instead to not trigger people these days!
It feels like he just wants everything about the charm of the movie to be turned into homogenized crap. he hates the music, the budget constraints and the fact that it's a movie that doesn't outright show it's tongue-in-cheek. Those are all reasons it's GOOD. If it had an 'action movie' orchestral score and a whole bunch of special effects, and some huge 'THIS IS ALL A JOKE' moment, it would just be some other blip on the comedic radar.
2:04 In 2010s, Manhattan may be one of the most expensive chunks of real estate in the country, but in the late 1970s, when they were probably developing the idea for the movie, and NYC was bankrupt, the concept of Manhattan as a walled-off slum probably didn't seem too far off.
Wanted to say something similar. The "typical score" provided is really only "typical" of the last 10 years or so. Generic, pounding, completely forgettable. The original score in that scene put me in mind of a Klaus Schulze album. Whether that's a perfect match for the intended atmosphere is debatable, but at least it doesn't get in the way.
This video was edited by Jay, who admitted to liking John Carpenter's score, so it might have been sarcasm. It could have been his passive aggressive way of proving Mike wrong by demonstrating how bad a "typical" score actually sounds.
As their reviews go on I find I mostly disagree with Mike 99% of the time. Actually it has become pretty easy, if Mike likes it I'll wait for netflix or just not bother with it. Jay is spot one for me about 80% of the time.
I don't give a fuck what anybody says, Ernest Borgnine was an American treasure. He was great in everything he did, including Escape From New York. There's a scene in The Poseidon Adventure where he says of Shelly Winters' character after she dies, "You had a lot of guts.". His face is soaking wet but you can still see his tears flow. So many other examples I can list. I respect his opinion, but Mike is dead wrong this whole video.
***** Agree completely. MGS is not stealth; ironically, The Phantom Pain is the closest it's ever come to it. Gameplay and control scheme have always been terrible and unintuitive- Snake Eater was more a battle of attrition with the controls than the fucking jungle. Real stealth is Thief, Deus Ex, Hitman (excluding Absolution). The new Hitman is a really great return to form for the genre after the fucking stealth em ups we've been inundated with as of late (here's looking at you AC)
Rewatching this, I was surprised Mike didn't like the score, a traditional score only reveals how slow the ACTION! is, which is what this movie sucks at. Instead, the "haunting" quality of the music reinforces the loneliness of the scene, how it's this lone man in this desolate place, and each struggle feals closer to a shiv scrap in a gutter, not a bullet ballet. Carpenter knew what the movie's strengths could be given his budget, and the "wallpaper" score still manages to reinforce the tone of the movie.
well said, agreed completely, this video is four years old but i only just finally watched this movie for my first time earlier tonight and your comment is from just three days ago so its happy coincidence that i felt the same way about the music in this film regarding how appropriate it is for the tone that it set,
I always felt the action is more grounded, it's not like he had a whole arsenal of weapons with him when he dropped into the city, he needed to sneak around and because of the vibe of the movie the risk and danger felt more real, Snake is a parody of action 80's heroes who occasionally switches to the straight man because of all the other more expressive and colorful character's,I still love this movie
The fact that the movie doesn't wink at you is what makes Escape from NY special and sets it apart from movies like Big Trouble in Little China. Anyone can create a ridiculous plot and play it for laughs, it's much more difficult to make a movie that's ridiculous but still takes itself seriously. And the thick atmosphere and earnest acting all validate it's serious tone.
Stank mate the movies were made at a different time period hence why they live is basically a documentary of the times when raganomics was rife what’s funny is how they live’s narrative is just as relevant today probably more so than back in the 80’s
That last line was a real gut punch :) "Everything you're describing is Escape from LA". That's so true. Everything Mike used as weaknesses in E.F.N.Y is strengths imo.
Mike seems to have such a low tolerance for the measured, moody pacing of '70s/'80s cinema you'd think he was a millennial with no attention span. This is much more of a spaghetti Western than an action movie.
The fact that this guy says he loves Waterworld says it all. This guy doesn’t see a movie, he watches a movie. He’s probably the type of guy that watches Tarantino films and hates them because he doesn’t spot or get his subtle hints of foreshadowing in his films. What a hack!
"the movie doesnt wink at you." yep, a name like snake plissken is totally normal. everybody has heard of him, but they all think, that he is dead. its a borderline parody IMO.
I just watched it for the first time and its a good blend of making fun of action movies but it also giving homage to them as well, i noticed the over the top scenes and dialogue the winks are there but they're subtle
@@Aeis_Kalt Yeah. I've grown to like Escape From L.A. more and more over the years. Its a cool movie. I wish we got movies like that now. 90 percent of modern movies just dont interest me. Seems like its getting harder and harder for directors now to come up with something original. Back in the 70's, 80's and 90's there were tons of original movies. Theyre literally killing franchises today. Alien franchise, Terminator franchise, Star Wars franchise. People on social media are literally hating on these new movies.
@Jonathan Jones You calm your self down you triggered snowflake millennial. Most films are shit today. Name me a few really good ones? Marvel movies? 😂😂😂 Haven't seen a single one of them. Why would i watch that garbage? Woke crap. Its nothing to do with age either. I liked both Sicario movies. Specially the second one. I see the woke lefty film critics were upset with that film though 😂 Typical of your politically correct woke generation.
at 17:35 he might as well just go "Can't we just make it like the most unprovocative, bland action movie that doesn't inspire any feelings? That'd be great!"
Then he goes to say how Marvel movies are samey which to be fair they kinda are because they share a lot in the movie structure department. I would take Mike's recommendations in the action department lightly as he has professed in more than one occasion that his favorite type of action movie is the dumb schlocky type.
@Jonathan Jones None of Mike's criticisms to this movie were stupid, though. He's completely right, asides from the atmosphere for some people, this film's tone is all over the place with terrible acting and action. It has some serious pacing issues, as well. I'm usually on the fence of agreeing with Jay more, but this is one of the times where I think he's completely wrong.
Honestly that was a terrible example, not even worthy of being a temp track. I'm not particularly keen on it all together but that track would be more fitting a 'preparing for battle' type scene where they're strapping up armour and weapons or riding into battle, not the fight itself. At least in the right context it'd sound a little less bland, but it's been old for at least 20 years now.
"It doesn't wink at you." Man, winking at the camera is so overblown. Play it totally straight and you get bigger laughs when people suddenly realize the whole thing is a joke.
In the late 70's/early 80's the crime rate was rising to new heights and seemed to be continuing to rise, causing people to fear that it was just going to keep rising. Escape from New York's premise was inspired by the idea that crime could just keep rising and what the world would look like on the extreme end of the spectrum.
Man I love you guys but I wish Jay had argued for this films behalf a bit more. Mike is hilarious but his ideas of what he wanted this movie to be would have sucked the life out of it and truly made it a BotW type film. To say the score is a detriment to the film... I couldn't disagree more. I actually listened to this soundtrack in full the other night along with some of Carpenter's other scores, and I gotta say this one is super strong.
I agree. Jay kinda laughed at the film. Kept patronisingly praising it for its qualities 'despite the low budget'. This movie is so effective that the budget is almost irrelevant. Its a great sci fi/action film, regardless of how much it cost.
I could not disagree with them more on the judgement ove Carpenters music - there is a reason why his OST albums sell! I DO however agree on Escape from LA, that movie was shitty in so many ways!
San Diego Comic-con summer of...'01, I think? Carpenter was there promoting "Ghosts of Mars". I had just picked up the "New Expanded Edition Original Film Soundtrack: John Carpenter's Escape from New York" from a dealer the night before and put it in front of him to have him autograph it. I screamed and covered it with my hands when he flipped it over (data-side up) and started bringing the paint pen down. He looked shocked and asked me what was wrong? I said, "That's the data-side... the side the laser reads, you need to sign the label side, that's just paint". He was genuinely shocked. He though the paint/label was the music. I love the mans music, but watch it if you ever put a CD, DVD, or Blu-Ray in front of him. He also questioned me about what it was. He didn't know it had JUST been released.
I felt Assault on Precinct 13 started well but the writing / execution got pretty bad a little while after they entered the police station. Like flesh out the antagonists a bit more and they would have actually made the payoff / action scenes much more effective.
redroversk Max Landis is more like that asshat in the Crystal Skull. Is he on Indies side? Is he with the Russian? Does it matter? Answers: who cares, who cares, no it doesn't
I just saw John Carpenter perform live at Primavera and he opened with the Escape From New York theme and it was incredible. Also, there's not much cooler than John Carpenter putting on sunglasses and all of the big screens simultaneously displaying CONSUME as he starts playing the They Live theme.
He did! This was the whole setlist: Escape From New York: Main Title Assault on Precinct 13: Main Title Vortex Mystery The Fog: Main Title Theme They Live: Coming To L.A. The Thing: Main Theme - Desolation (Ennio Morricone cover) Distant Dream Big Trouble in Little China: Pork Chop Express Wraith Night Halloween Theme - Main Title In the Mouth of Madness: In The Mouth Of Madness Prince of Darkness: Opening Titles Virtual Survivor Purgatory Christine: Christine attacks (Plymouth Fury)
Primavera is a music festival in Barcelona. He's touring right now and you can see if there are any shows near you here www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/tour/
Sounds like Mike would love Escape from L.A, since it contains everything he wishes this movie had: It’s basically the same movie but with better budget, faster-paced action and it winks at the audience a lot more.
Escape From New York is a great character movie. It's not the best film in the world, at all, but Snake Plissken is a great anti-hero protagonist amidst a number of other great aesthetics including the film's score, the atmosphere, the cinematography, and the pacing. I get that Mike thinks it's boring, and I probably would have said the same 5, 10 years ago, but as a fan of minimalism the movie just hits all the right marks.
Oh boy, Mike is saying everything to push my buttons. Pretty much has the exact opposite thoughts compared to mine about the film. Which is fine but I get the feeling that he wants to be like every other action movie. Change the pace, mood, music and characters and it's not unique anymore. Also, I don't think it's told as straight and seriously as he suggests. It's inherently ridiculous and lots of wacky, crazy, hammy things happen. It's not like you need the characters to break the fourth wall and wink at the camera on top of all that. I mean, a cabby watching a musical about killing cops, only to go out and chuck molotovs at street toughs surrounding his car isn't goofy? Not to mention the fact that there even being a musical put on by psychos and cons isn't strange enough. I just saw John Carpenter play live last week and it was one of the best experiences of my life, it irks me that Mike would want to change the score out for something more "traditional". I don't want to say he's wrong, though. Since it's all just opinions in the end. He doesn't like it and doesn't think it fits, that's fine. I love it and do think it fits. I also think it adds a lot to the movie and how unique it is. If he wants a more traditional action movie he should go watch one, but leave this one as it is for the rest of us, I wouldn't change it for the world.
Escape from New York is a classic and one of my all time faves. I love it for all the reasons Jay does many of the reasons Mike does not. If it was made the way Mike wanted then it simply wouldn't be a John Carpenter film. Jay is right in that EFNY is more about atmosphere and style than action. And how can you not love classic Carpenter score? And Mike doesn't like Assault on Precinct 13 either? Jeez! If I was Jay I'd have to stop being his friend. (kidding).
To say all Carpenter's scores are timeless classics and brilliant is a bit ridiculous. Just like with virtually anything that anybody likes, there are some that are great, and some that are shit, and even fans of a certain band or artist will have varying opinions on which ones are which. Then there are people with entirely different tastes altogether who just don't like Carpenter, which Mike specifically said he liked, just not a select few of his movies. And I can see where he is coming from with the score of this film. I like a lot of Carpenter's scores, but this definitely is not one of them.
I love his synth scores but his later scores (and sometimes the films themselves) feel very syndicated TV. In the Mouth of Madness is a movie I watched recently for the first time and it was interesting and well acted but the lighting felt bland for most scenes and the plot had some problems. Escape from L.A. also had a really bad score in my opinion. I still want to watch more of his later films.
It's not boring. This was the big action movie before the next ones which were Road Warrior and First Blood. That was the time of escalation in movies. 3 years after Halloween Halloween II had to be bloodier and more gory due to other movies. Escape when it was released was the most action picture out there. Also when Snake Plisken sits in the chair he knows the President is gone and he has so many hours to find him in the entirety of Manhattan Island wit no subways and few running vehicles, so he is deciding to say fuck it and sit in the chair and wait for the explosives in his neck to explode. the only thing that changes his mind is weirdos start coming out of the sewers and even though at the time he doesn't know they are cannibals, he knows to go somewhere and hide and he doesn't want to be eaten before he blows up. So that scene of him picking up the chair and feeling his neck (where the explosives are) is him contemplating "Fuck it. Might as well just sit here until they explosives in my neck kill me". Star Wars seems like a slow movie but when it came out it was fast paced. When this came out it was a fast paced movie because they were not editing movies like music videos back then.
+Marc Lemieux "it was a dumb summer movie" provides zero insight. anyone with an opposing opinion could have guessed that's why you liked the movie with the dinosaurs. Lazy ass "You must have wanted an Oscar winner" comments in general are meaningless.
I saw this film for the first time a few months ago; fucking loved it. The scenes that Mike called boring, I actually found quite refreshing. We were taking our time; this wasn't a film, it was an experience, and now we're wallowing a bit because the tracker is completely useless, and the protagonist is seemingly going to explode without even getting the chance to _try_ the mission. In that moment, I feel like the film has _earned_ the "boring" quiet period.
yeah, suddenly replace the electronica music in the final action sequence with an orchestral score. that wont ruin the style and mood of the film at all.
No. I am not affiliated with them or have any inside information. But as a fan I imagine there is a desire to go to their favourite movies and discuss what makes them great and what feels dated. Something I've been waiting to see for a long time. This is what the series is. Meanwhile Half In The Bag will continue when there are films that they genuinely want to see and think are worth giving critique. I don't blame them. So many bad films are coming and are being made. Also there's only so many films that come out each month - where as there is a somewhat infinite supply of films that have already been released.
Probably my favorite movie, and my favorite character, EVER. Even Escape from L.A. cannot ruin Snake Plissken for me. My childhood hero, and pushing 50 now, my kids, and my grandkids know, if this movie is on, either leave the room, or sit down and be quiet, or Grandpa will get VERY angry. Edit: This movie was ground-breaking for special effects. The "Digital" New York city-scape from inside the glider, were lit-up miniature map-models, and it looked believable. Being able to pull off a look of high-tech like that, when the tech didn't actually exist yet, really grabbed me. I already knew Mike and I are worlds apart on what makes a good movie, so him hating it doesn't surprise me.
So Mike wanted basically everything that makes this movie a masterpiece changed. John Carpenter is a master of atmosphere and the big part in that is music, I can always recognize a John Carpenter movie by the atmosphere and music. They Live, The Thing, Escape From New York all have really unique feel to them,.
Mike: " Add a little more satire, make the characters more goofy and over the top, wink at the audience and punch up the score." They did all this in Escape from L.A. and somehow made it worse. Escape from New York has something unique and special about it.
I've loved synth scores for a long time. I always thought the synth was great for a movie like this, where it creates an unsettling ambience. Same thing with the first Terminator movie: it creates a cold, mechanical ambience that complements a cold, mechanical being chasing relentlessly after you. (The first Terminator was supposed to be a thriller instead of an action movie). The score in Escape works in a similar fashion: they are in a cold, unfeeling rendition of a large city.
Hyperbole be damned, Mike saying he is not a fan of Carpenter’s music and that his score here is detrimental to the film is the most disappointing thing he has said in any of his videos.
mike didn't like the movie because it didn't remind him of an episode of star trek.
If I really set myself to it, I’m sure I could find five or six Star Trek episodes that are evoked here. But that’s a lot of effort.
I’m too tired. Maybe later.
Jay is the movie guy here
Miri
What about that DS9 episode where Sisko starts riots in closed up unemployment slums.
@@Donutgames00 That reminds me of Soylent Green.
Mike hates Assault on Precinct 13 and John Carpenter scores? What a hack.
yeah im out who hates carpenters score?? wtf
who would prefer some pretentious generic orchestral score?
The man is entitled to his own opinions, even if they’re totally wrong.
Hes just hating on escape just to be cool
@@mactastico1818 I genuinely believe this, you can see him try and fight what he does like about it. It's like when he always picks a different botw from the others.
The movie does wink at you... you just can't see it due to the eye patch
boi winking the whole time
The Duke's eye twitches a few times in the movie, maybe that's close enough to a wink.
In the novelization during the scene where Snake first meets up with and threatens Brain and Maggie, Snake laments the fact that he can't wink at her.
I have that problem all of the time.
That was one of the lines in the novelisation (by Mike McQuay) ... When Snake first meets Maggie; "He wanted to wink at her, but he didn't have enough eyes ..."
I had the same feeling finding out that Mike doesn't like my favourite John Carpenter movies that I did when I found out my girlfriend didn't like my parents.
I mean, can we even date anymore?
Your parents are shit, though.
Damn it Rocky! This is why I broke up with you! MY FATHER WAS A GREAT MAN DAMN IT!
What other John carpenter movies does he not like?
Your girlfriend has shit taste. Just saying, sorry.
To be fair, your parents probably suck.
Who needs a movie to "wink?" That's when all cleverness and subtlety goes out the window.
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Most of the outdoor scenes were shot in St Louis, actually. A couple of years before some blocks were ravaged by a fire and they hadn’t cleaned it up or let the inhabitants return yet. Also, most of the action takes place at night which helps to make you believe you’re in NY.
It was shot in East St. Louis which is in Illinois.
Who are these people? What is this? This isn't what I wanted after searching up "How to escape from New York after killing my family!"
But Caleb Horton can't melt through entire family?
Caleb Horton u dont need to escape. just give a cop a pepsi.
Do not joke about this.
I genuinely love this stuff and wouldn’t change a second of it. When they compare the music in an action scene with a more traditional “Hollywood” score, the latter completely destroys it. It’s not more exciting, just generic and tacky. The moody and ambient music gives the scene melancholic but not depressing darkness, that makes you feel like you’re watching characters tussle on a cold, endless night. I’m being hyperbolic, I know, but Escape from New York is a genuinely beautiful film, to me.
It’s pure western, with all the amorality and fight-for-survival that that genre took on in the ‘60s and ‘70s, but with a gritty, urban, socially pessimistic sci-fi quality that stood in refreshing contrast to the space operas ushered in by Star Wars.
To replace all that with caricature and bombast, to make something more like a generic schlocker, would have been a crime.
John Carpenter was really great at making movies that feature Kurt Russell doing a cowboy impression while wandering around not having any idea what's going on.
you really broke down their movie making formula and I think it worked. idk if u can go wrong with that combination tho.
The secret sauce.
The main theme in this movie is incredible. I saw Escape for the first time when I was about 14. For over a decade I didn't see it again. At least once a week for those ten years I'd find myself humming the intro music. Love love love Carpenter's score.
Okay hold up, how does Mike not like Assault on Precinct 13?
@15:40 Holy shit!! RLM knows about New-retrowave.
I'm not even sure how I found out about it...
I fell asleep listening to the Blade Runner soundtrack on youtube like 8 months ago. I woke up a few hours later and Powerglove's Nightforce was playing. I have been hooked ever since.You gotta' understand, as much as Jay is a complete hack/sellout/shill he's also a genius and super cool.
xxxaragon
Well, I was just at a synthwave meetup party last weekend where i met both artists and other fans like myself, and they said this was their biggest turnout yet compared to the previous years.
The Girl in Chock Full O Nuts is Season Hubley, who at the time was known as Mrs. Kurt Russell. The synth score rules.
This movie is iconic history. EFNY and warriors paint a grim generally accepted view of an expected future of Ny; pre-Giuliani .
Thanks Jay for saying absolutely every single thing I like about this movie. Oh yeah, Mike misspoke, it was not filmed in New York, that was St Louis.
more rich evans, he was amazing in double down
Is that one of them porno films?
I'd watch that. I'd watch that hard.
+Michaelsully1009 it was one of the best of the worst, the one with max landis
How can you not love this movie, it has Chef and Mermaid Man!
I think STARSHIP TROOPERS would be amazing for re:view
I discovered this low-budget gem because of you guys!
There's a lot of difference between b-movies and bad movies, and John Carpenter really is one of the b-movie masters.
On the topic of the musical score, it's all about the synthesizer. That was the soundtrack to every child in the 80's who grew up on silly action movies.
Review Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
The best one.
That movie is fucking horrible, and not in a good way....also it really hasn't aged well...it's basically the Wayne's World of it's time....
I watched Wayne's World recently and it was fantastic
Why would you mention such a movie? What the fuck is wrong with you? If I wasn't so exhausted from your recommendation, I'd hate you.
"YOU'RE THE DUKE!!" I'm sad to say I'm more in Mike's camp, although I guess I only liked it instead of tolerated. I'd say what I liked most about it was the cast, particularly Lee Van Cleef and Ernest Borgnine.
Still waiting for that Waterworld Re:View.
Big Trouble in Little China is all of those things too; though unlike with EfLA, Carpenter pulls it off, to monumental effect
Please re:View John Carpenter's "The Thing". Like "Jaws", it's a film that supersedes the original print material. There is nothing in the short story that compares to the suspense of the blood test scene.
You need to make an episode of "Assault on Precinct 13" Classic.
I'm watching this (again?) because of Jay and Rich's John Carpenter rankings
How about we crowdfund a prequel "Escape from Kansas City" with Kurt Russell's son Wyatt as a younger Snake?
This movie heavily influenced Hideo Kojima when making MGS. Snake Plinsken (Alias Solid Snake used in MGS2) He molded Ocelot after Lee Van Cleef. Snake of course Eye Patch from this Bandanna from Rambo. I love this movie
I think Mike has the wrong mindset for this movie. It's not trying to be just a standard action movie and that's one of the many reasons why people love it. I wish the review was a bit longer and that Jay would've tried harder to defend the movie.
Mike's opinions on the score are just fucking baffling... like I actually thought the "typical" score comparison was a joke.
I wish you guys would do a Re:view of Big Trouble in Little China.
I'd be interested in you guys doing a show on industry stuff.
I recommend "The Duke Arrives" as a ringtone. Those damn cowbells, so catchy.
The atmosphere of this film is unparalleled!
Whoa! At 9:33...did the movie really cut to a shot of TWO PLANES flying into TWO buildings? In New York?
John Carpenter did 9/11!
***** Yeah well...he IS the guy who made "They Live" which was about a big conspiracy.
the bonesauce My...THAT wasn't very nice.
The film was actually banned after 9/11 for that exact reason. Just like the song Fly Away by Lenny Kravitz.
JustNoise They also banned people in New York City from calling 911 when they had an emergency too, because it kept reminding people of that tragic day. Now we use 119 instead to not trigger people these days!
Snake is one of my favorite fictional characters.
Escape from LA has Pam Grier and it really confused me as a child cause she had a robot voice but looked so pretty.
Do big trouble in little China!!
that's too much Carpenter for the show
Escape from New York was not filmed in NY. It was filmed in St. Louis and Los Angeles. The only scene filmed in NY was the Statue of Liberty clip.
Mike is totally wrong. Nuff said.
It feels like he just wants everything about the charm of the movie to be turned into homogenized crap. he hates the music, the budget constraints and the fact that it's a movie that doesn't outright show it's tongue-in-cheek. Those are all reasons it's GOOD.
If it had an 'action movie' orchestral score and a whole bunch of special effects, and some huge 'THIS IS ALL A JOKE' moment, it would just be some other blip on the comedic radar.
2:04 In 2010s, Manhattan may be one of the most expensive chunks of real estate in the country, but in the late 1970s, when they were probably developing the idea for the movie, and NYC was bankrupt, the concept of Manhattan as a walled-off slum probably didn't seem too far off.
mishimi yeah exactly. Mike is moronic. It was filmed in St.Louis not NY.
2021 its almost returning to a prison
The Bronx were on fire
@@Balthorium how did you not get that that was a joke
@@mizurjell9534 It wasn't one. New York in the 70s was dangerous and disgusting Now it's just less dangerous than disgusting.
That bearded little boy sure curses a lot. The hobo guy must be a bad influence.
Her name is Susan
Yeah, they clearly make no attempt to hide their gay relationship.
Mike = kinda gay
Jay = actually, really, 100% true gay
Know your RLM.
John Smith Rich: Super Replaced
Wow, the clip of the original score... it was a million times better than that "typical score" for that scene...
Wanted to say something similar. The "typical score" provided is really only "typical" of the last 10 years or so. Generic, pounding, completely forgettable. The original score in that scene put me in mind of a Klaus Schulze album. Whether that's a perfect match for the intended atmosphere is debatable, but at least it doesn't get in the way.
This video was edited by Jay, who admitted to liking John Carpenter's score, so it might have been sarcasm. It could have been his passive aggressive way of proving Mike wrong by demonstrating how bad a "typical" score actually sounds.
Not only is it great for the scene but it works so much better for building tension in the context of the movie.
Yeah, the traditional score really sucked the atmosphere right out of the scene, the original score gave it a distinctive quality.
well and the score for the car chase scene before that was amazing and added alot to that part.
Still waiting for John Carpenter to do Escape from Detroit.
bo0tsy1 it would be a documentary.
@@derekmensch3601 Oh boi
There is none
You don't Escape from Detroit.
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re:View Episode 2: The Episode where Mike is FUCKING WRONG.
people have different opinions. Some opinions are just shit tho
I find that Mike is wrong a lot.
You are not alone
As their reviews go on I find I mostly disagree with Mike 99% of the time. Actually it has become pretty easy, if Mike likes it I'll wait for netflix or just not bother with it. Jay is spot one for me about 80% of the time.
fiveways
I agree, Jay is on point.
I don't give a fuck what anybody says, Ernest Borgnine was an American treasure. He was great in everything he did, including Escape From New York. There's a scene in The Poseidon Adventure where he says of Shelly Winters' character after she dies, "You had a lot of guts.". His face is soaking wet but you can still see his tears flow. So many other examples I can list. I respect his opinion, but Mike is dead wrong this whole video.
I totally agree. Borgnine is hell of an actor. Poseidon Adventure? One of the best movies ever made. Fuck Mike, he is an arrogant ignoramus.
His work in Airwolf was sublime
I liked him in Marty
i dont respect his opinion
Shame about the creepy rapey stuff.
How are you going to hate Solid Snake, the movie?
Not enough hiding in boxes.
Snake before Kojima butchered him
+Dmitri Arthurs how?
***** Agree completely. MGS is not stealth; ironically, The Phantom Pain is the closest it's ever come to it. Gameplay and control scheme have always been terrible and unintuitive- Snake Eater was more a battle of attrition with the controls than the fucking jungle.
Real stealth is Thief, Deus Ex, Hitman (excluding Absolution). The new Hitman is a really great return to form for the genre after the fucking stealth em ups we've been inundated with as of late (here's looking at you AC)
no one gives a fuck about msgo
Rewatching this, I was surprised Mike didn't like the score, a traditional score only reveals how slow the ACTION! is, which is what this movie sucks at.
Instead, the "haunting" quality of the music reinforces the loneliness of the scene, how it's this lone man in this desolate place, and each struggle feals closer to a shiv scrap in a gutter, not a bullet ballet.
Carpenter knew what the movie's strengths could be given his budget, and the "wallpaper" score still manages to reinforce the tone of the movie.
well said, agreed completely, this video is four years old but i only just finally watched this movie for my first time earlier tonight and your comment is from just three days ago so its happy coincidence that i felt the same way about the music in this film regarding how appropriate it is for the tone that it set,
I always felt the action is more grounded, it's not like he had a whole arsenal of weapons with him when he dropped into the city, he needed to sneak around and because of the vibe of the movie the risk and danger felt more real, Snake is a parody of action 80's heroes who occasionally switches to the straight man because of all the other more expressive and colorful character's,I still love this movie
The fact that the movie doesn't wink at you is what makes Escape from NY special and sets it apart from movies like Big Trouble in Little China. Anyone can create a ridiculous plot and play it for laughs, it's much more difficult to make a movie that's ridiculous but still takes itself seriously. And the thick atmosphere and earnest acting all validate it's serious tone.
This^^^^^^
the Mad Max movies also do this well
Earnest acting? More like Ernest acting. ERNEST BORGNINE, baby! Yee-haw!
Yes! Well said!🙂
And it doesn't work.
Does Mike want every movie to be a unintentionally funny schlock film?
Yes
I think it's more that it seemed so close to that formula already so it was what he expected.
This idea actually reminds of the Season 1 of Star Trek: The Next Generation....
Stank mate the movies were made at a different time period hence why they live is basically a documentary of the times when raganomics was rife what’s funny is how they live’s narrative is just as relevant today probably more so than back in the 80’s
That last line was a real gut punch :) "Everything you're describing is Escape from LA". That's so true. Everything Mike used as weaknesses in E.F.N.Y is strengths imo.
Mike seems to have such a low tolerance for the measured, moody pacing of '70s/'80s cinema you'd think he was a millennial with no attention span. This is much more of a spaghetti Western than an action movie.
Maybe that's why Lee Van Cleef is in it? : Because it's a spaghetti westen?
Kurt based his laconic, quiet way of talking on Clint Eastwood's Man with no Name in the Leone spaghetti westerns. There's another connection.
The fact that this guy says he loves Waterworld says it all. This guy doesn’t see a movie, he watches a movie. He’s probably the type of guy that watches Tarantino films and hates them because he doesn’t spot or get his subtle hints of foreshadowing in his films. What a hack!
@TET - COM CAPS LOCK
@Rene Martinez Relatable
"the movie doesnt wink at you." yep, a name like snake plissken is totally normal. everybody has heard of him, but they all think, that he is dead.
its a borderline parody IMO.
The movie doesn't wink because plissken has one eye
@@christinson1024 yea, but thats all he needs.
I just watched it for the first time and its a good blend of making fun of action movies but it also giving homage to them as well, i noticed the over the top scenes and dialogue the winks are there but they're subtle
Review the Care Bears movie you hacks. It took 12 years to make so you better not be critical about it!
+Man Beadle You do realize whenever someone calls Jay and Mike frauds it's a joke and not hate
+Pablo Morrissey-Fernandez shut up fraud, know nothing hack!
Well they did made a masterpiece short film called "Care Boars"
+Man Beadle oh apologies then
Don't you mean: The Care Boars Save Christmas?
December 11, 2017. Still waiting for that Escape From L.A. re:View
February 24, 2020 and still waiting.
@@rogers476025th over here and no sign
March 3,2020 bois
08MAY20...still waiting...:-)
I’ll do you all one better-June 9 with fingers still crossed
Mike would love Metal Gear
You're that ninja.
WHAT?!
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I belong here, in the box
Not even those bleeding heart liberals from the military oversight committee.
I wouldn't trust a man who says he doesn't like the movie Escape From New York.
We give Mike a pass but for future reference. ..👍💪
@@mattrogersftw
Nah. Its awesome. Im not in to modern movies. Its all woke garbage. I love 80's sci-fi and horror movies.
equation is simple. Carpenter+Russell=great movie. Escape From L.A. still has it's moments, and Carpenter even got Bruce Campbell into it.
@@Aeis_Kalt
Yeah. I've grown to like Escape From L.A. more and more over the years. Its a cool movie. I wish we got movies like that now. 90 percent of modern movies just dont interest me. Seems like its getting harder and harder for directors now to come up with something original. Back in the 70's, 80's and 90's there were tons of original movies. Theyre literally killing franchises today. Alien franchise, Terminator franchise, Star Wars franchise. People on social media are literally hating on these new movies.
@Jonathan Jones
You calm your self down you triggered snowflake millennial. Most films are shit today. Name me a few really good ones?
Marvel movies? 😂😂😂 Haven't seen a single one of them. Why would i watch that garbage? Woke crap.
Its nothing to do with age either. I liked both Sicario movies. Specially the second one. I see the woke lefty film critics were upset with that film though 😂 Typical of your politically correct woke generation.
Is it me of Mike's complaints don't make any sense? Like he keeps saying he dislikes good things over and over, it's weird.
Mike's an idiot. Always has been.
It's so funny how sometimes Mike's complaints boil down to "Why can't it just be like every other movie?" 🤣
at 17:35 he might as well just go "Can't we just make it like the most unprovocative, bland action movie that doesn't inspire any feelings? That'd be great!"
That summarization is simplistic to the point of being almost completely inaccurate
Then he goes to say how Marvel movies are samey which to be fair they kinda are because they share a lot in the movie structure department.
I would take Mike's recommendations in the action department lightly as he has professed in more than one occasion that his favorite type of action movie is the dumb schlocky type.
@Jonathan Jones None of Mike's criticisms to this movie were stupid, though.
He's completely right, asides from the atmosphere for some people, this film's tone is all over the place with terrible acting and action. It has some serious pacing issues, as well. I'm usually on the fence of agreeing with Jay more, but this is one of the times where I think he's completely wrong.
It's not movie-ish enough. If it had more action and more movie-like music it would elevate it to being more like a movie.
16:12 that was painful. I never realized just how bland that kind of action movie music is until seeing it set to Escape from NY.
Honestly that was a terrible example, not even worthy of being a temp track. I'm not particularly keen on it all together but that track would be more fitting a 'preparing for battle' type scene where they're strapping up armour and weapons or riding into battle, not the fight itself. At least in the right context it'd sound a little less bland, but it's been old for at least 20 years now.
It was a terrible choice
Jay has bad taste.
"It doesn't wink at you."
Man, winking at the camera is so overblown. Play it totally straight and you get bigger laughs when people suddenly realize the whole thing is a joke.
"Spoilers: Jay loves it and Mike kind of tolerates it."
Well I hate Mike now I guess.
Is this replacing Tremors - re:View?
LMAO
lol.. !! yes it is..
jRoldo A Last Name....
+jRoldo A Last Name (Ride) shhhh, don't let him in on the gag ;-) haha
jRoldo A Last Name Is that replacing "how the hell would it be replacing it? They're starting a new positive review series."?
In the late 70's/early 80's the crime rate was rising to new heights and seemed to be continuing to rise, causing people to fear that it was just going to keep rising. Escape from New York's premise was inspired by the idea that crime could just keep rising and what the world would look like on the extreme end of the spectrum.
There's a theory that crime was riding during this time due to childhood lead exposure which was eventually made illegal to use.
@@JohnChoidotOrginteresting how they all were cured of their lead poisoning crime sprees the moment Giuliani got elected mayor.
"mike exposing the extent of his hack-fraudulence"
He is an opinionated goof.... that I bet loves Showtunes lol
Man I love you guys but I wish Jay had argued for this films behalf a bit more. Mike is hilarious but his ideas of what he wanted this movie to be would have sucked the life out of it and truly made it a BotW type film. To say the score is a detriment to the film... I couldn't disagree more. I actually listened to this soundtrack in full the other night along with some of Carpenter's other scores, and I gotta say this one is super strong.
I agree. Jay kinda laughed at the film. Kept patronisingly praising it for its qualities 'despite the low budget'. This movie is so effective that the budget is almost irrelevant. Its a great sci fi/action film, regardless of how much it cost.
No love for John Carpenter's scores? I love them, even his new work with Lost Themes I & II.
Jay's mentioned Themes I on Pre-Rec, he loves it.
Most of Carpenter's main theme songs for films are easily recognizable.
I could not disagree with them more on the judgement ove Carpenters music - there is a reason why his OST albums sell!
I DO however agree on Escape from LA, that movie was shitty in so many ways!
San Diego Comic-con summer of...'01, I think? Carpenter was there promoting "Ghosts of Mars". I had just picked up the "New Expanded Edition Original Film Soundtrack: John Carpenter's Escape from New York" from a dealer the night before and put it in front of him to have him autograph it. I screamed and covered it with my hands when he flipped it over (data-side up) and started bringing the paint pen down. He looked shocked and asked me what was wrong? I said, "That's the data-side... the side the laser reads, you need to sign the label side, that's just paint". He was genuinely shocked. He though the paint/label was the music. I love the mans music, but watch it if you ever put a CD, DVD, or Blu-Ray in front of him. He also questioned me about what it was. He didn't know it had JUST been released.
Prince Of Darkness had an excellent score
WTF he hated Assault on Precinct 13??
That movie is fucking amazing!
I felt Assault on Precinct 13 started well but the writing / execution got pretty bad a little while after they entered the police station. Like flesh out the antagonists a bit more and they would have actually made the payoff / action scenes much more effective.
Hated Assault on Precinct 13?!?!?!?!
I love this series so far. Keep up the good work!
Do you likes Escape From New York???
ralphthemoviemaker shut the fuck up
@@Infandouss lol
Ignore the miserable people.
You so segsy raplh
You'd think from a guy who enjoys star trek:the motion picture that boring wouldn't be a problem.
Jay is right. Mike is wrong.
Mike is on the left dingus
I really don't like him. Also he is very misinformed on the films background info.
No, Mike is wrong and jay is a child
The guy on the right is the clever one :)
Rich Evans a nobody?! Rich Evans is the key to all of this. If you get Rich Evans working.. .because he's a funnier character than you've ever had.
Pretty sure they meant the extremely annoying and unfunny Jack.
Max Landis is definitely the Jar Jar Binks of Red Letter Media
No, he's their Scrappy Doo.
redroversk Max Landis is more like that asshat in the Crystal Skull.
Is he on Indies side? Is he with the Russian? Does it matter?
Answers: who cares, who cares, no it doesn't
donfolstar bald guy (Jeff?) is deak, mpp happened when he was not there.
I just saw John Carpenter perform live at Primavera and he opened with the Escape From New York theme and it was incredible. Also, there's not much cooler than John Carpenter putting on sunglasses and all of the big screens simultaneously displaying CONSUME as he starts playing the They Live theme.
He did! This was the whole setlist:
Escape From New York: Main Title
Assault on Precinct 13: Main Title
Vortex
Mystery
The Fog: Main Title Theme
They Live: Coming To L.A.
The Thing: Main Theme - Desolation (Ennio Morricone cover)
Distant Dream
Big Trouble in Little China: Pork Chop Express
Wraith
Night
Halloween Theme - Main Title
In the Mouth of Madness: In The Mouth Of Madness
Prince of Darkness: Opening Titles
Virtual Survivor
Purgatory
Christine: Christine attacks (Plymouth Fury)
That sounds awesome. Where is the Primavera? I'd be willing to make a trip to see him do that.
Primavera is a music festival in Barcelona. He's touring right now and you can see if there are any shows near you here www.theofficialjohncarpenter.com/tour/
Sounds like Mike would love Escape from L.A, since it contains everything he wishes this movie had: It’s basically the same movie but with better budget, faster-paced action and it winks at the audience a lot more.
Escape From New York is a great character movie. It's not the best film in the world, at all, but Snake Plissken is a great anti-hero protagonist amidst a number of other great aesthetics including the film's score, the atmosphere, the cinematography, and the pacing.
I get that Mike thinks it's boring, and I probably would have said the same 5, 10 years ago, but as a fan of minimalism the movie just hits all the right marks.
I'm super into minimalism right now. So sick of the CGI fests of today's action films. This was really refreshing to watch today.
Jake Tibbs same here.
Oh, you watched the video too?
Waiting for the Disney remake.
the theme song is downright iconic
Oh boy, Mike is saying everything to push my buttons. Pretty much has the exact opposite thoughts compared to mine about the film. Which is fine but I get the feeling that he wants to be like every other action movie. Change the pace, mood, music and characters and it's not unique anymore. Also, I don't think it's told as straight and seriously as he suggests. It's inherently ridiculous and lots of wacky, crazy, hammy things happen. It's not like you need the characters to break the fourth wall and wink at the camera on top of all that. I mean, a cabby watching a musical about killing cops, only to go out and chuck molotovs at street toughs surrounding his car isn't goofy? Not to mention the fact that there even being a musical put on by psychos and cons isn't strange enough.
I just saw John Carpenter play live last week and it was one of the best experiences of my life, it irks me that Mike would want to change the score out for something more "traditional". I don't want to say he's wrong, though. Since it's all just opinions in the end. He doesn't like it and doesn't think it fits, that's fine. I love it and do think it fits. I also think it adds a lot to the movie and how unique it is. If he wants a more traditional action movie he should go watch one, but leave this one as it is for the rest of us, I wouldn't change it for the world.
Escape from New York is a classic and one of my all time faves. I love it for all the reasons Jay does many of the reasons Mike does not. If it was made the way Mike wanted then it simply wouldn't be a John Carpenter film. Jay is right in that EFNY is more about atmosphere and style than action. And how can you not love classic Carpenter score? And Mike doesn't like Assault on Precinct 13 either? Jeez! If I was Jay I'd have to stop being his friend. (kidding).
Exactly
To say all Carpenter's scores are timeless classics and brilliant is a bit ridiculous. Just like with virtually anything that anybody likes, there are some that are great, and some that are shit, and even fans of a certain band or artist will have varying opinions on which ones are which. Then there are people with entirely different tastes altogether who just don't like Carpenter, which Mike specifically said he liked, just not a select few of his movies. And I can see where he is coming from with the score of this film. I like a lot of Carpenter's scores, but this definitely is not one of them.
I love his synth scores but his later scores (and sometimes the films themselves) feel very syndicated TV. In the Mouth of Madness is a movie I watched recently for the first time and it was interesting and well acted but the lighting felt bland for most scenes and the plot had some problems. Escape from L.A. also had a really bad score in my opinion. I still want to watch more of his later films.
dmbjunky John Carpenter didn't perform the score in Escape From LA.
The movie doesn't wink at you?? You can't be serious.... The main character is a one eyed snake
one of my favorite movies of all time
no its not.............
+EkzoVirus HD Are you from the Thought Police?
It's not boring. This was the big action movie before the next ones which were Road Warrior and First Blood. That was the time of escalation in movies. 3 years after Halloween Halloween II had to be bloodier and more gory due to other movies. Escape when it was released was the most action picture out there. Also when Snake Plisken sits in the chair he knows the President is gone and he has so many hours to find him in the entirety of Manhattan Island wit no subways and few running vehicles, so he is deciding to say fuck it and sit in the chair and wait for the explosives in his neck to explode. the only thing that changes his mind is weirdos start coming out of the sewers and even though at the time he doesn't know they are cannibals, he knows to go somewhere and hide and he doesn't want to be eaten before he blows up. So that scene of him picking up the chair and feeling his neck (where the explosives are) is him contemplating "Fuck it. Might as well just sit here until they explosives in my neck kill me". Star Wars seems like a slow movie but when it came out it was fast paced. When this came out it was a fast paced movie because they were not editing movies like music videos back then.
In the last 2 weeks there have been 2 re:View episodes and only 1 Half in the Bag episode. Half in the Bag is officially replaced
maybe they haven't been fucked to see anything
And not a single Best of the worst
Pack it up boys, this is now officially a re:View only channel
And no commentary
*re:Placed
A Carpenter movie? Oh, Mike is sure going to *love* that.
+Harrison Goertz nobody cares that you liked it, we're talking about Mike
+Mano E Mano His opinion gives some insight as to why people like it.
+Marc Lemieux "it was a dumb summer movie" provides zero insight. anyone with an opposing opinion could have guessed that's why you liked the movie with the dinosaurs. Lazy ass "You must have wanted an Oscar winner" comments in general are meaningless.
***** Hey, I'm having trouble walking, I think my cane broke. So, ehm, tell me when you get that stick out of your ass. I could make use of it.
I actually prefer the synth score, it shows how this sort of harsh action has become commonplace in this world with a slightly down played score
I saw this film for the first time a few months ago; fucking loved it.
The scenes that Mike called boring, I actually found quite refreshing. We were taking our time; this wasn't a film, it was an experience, and now we're wallowing a bit because the tracker is completely useless, and the protagonist is seemingly going to explode without even getting the chance to _try_ the mission. In that moment, I feel like the film has _earned_ the "boring" quiet period.
I agree, but then the rest of it happened.
yeah, suddenly replace the electronica music in the final action sequence with an orchestral score. that wont ruin the style and mood of the film at all.
Is this replacing Half in the Bag?!
No you fffffffffuck.
OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDDD!!!
Yes. Yes, it is. Weep now and leave.
No. I am not affiliated with them or have any inside information. But as a fan I imagine there is a desire to go to their favourite movies and discuss what makes them great and what feels dated. Something I've been waiting to see for a long time. This is what the series is.
Meanwhile Half In The Bag will continue when there are films that they genuinely want to see and think are worth giving critique. I don't blame them. So many bad films are coming and are being made.
Also there's only so many films that come out each month - where as there is a somewhat infinite supply of films that have already been released.
I know. In the first episode, they said this isn't replacing Half in the Bag. I uh...I was doing a bit.
Surprised you guys miss identify this movie as an action film. It is a thriller cut from the cloth of Alfred Hitchcock.
Mike wants it to be more generic and schlocky lol
i love all rlm cast! they are all great like not moby, beard and glasses guy, rich evans, ginger chick how likes farts, all memorable!!!
bulletproofKevlar don't forget those special appearances from temporarily-not-beard-and-glasses guy
"Not Moby" you sly dog
Probably my favorite movie, and my favorite character, EVER. Even Escape from L.A. cannot ruin Snake Plissken for me. My childhood hero, and pushing 50 now, my kids, and my grandkids know, if this movie is on, either leave the room, or sit down and be quiet, or Grandpa will get VERY angry.
Edit: This movie was ground-breaking for special effects. The "Digital" New York city-scape from inside the glider, were lit-up miniature map-models, and it looked believable. Being able to pull off a look of high-tech like that, when the tech didn't actually exist yet, really grabbed me.
I already knew Mike and I are worlds apart on what makes a good movie, so him hating it doesn't surprise me.
So Mike wanted basically everything that makes this movie a masterpiece changed. John Carpenter is a master of atmosphere and the big part in that is music, I can always recognize a John Carpenter movie by the atmosphere and music. They Live, The Thing, Escape From New York all have really unique feel to them,.
Mike: " Add a little more satire, make the characters more goofy and over the top, wink at the audience and punch up the score." They did all this in Escape from L.A. and somehow made it worse. Escape from New York has something unique and special about it.
I've loved synth scores for a long time. I always thought the synth was great for a movie like this, where it creates an unsettling ambience. Same thing with the first Terminator movie: it creates a cold, mechanical ambience that complements a cold, mechanical being chasing relentlessly after you. (The first Terminator was supposed to be a thriller instead of an action movie). The score in Escape works in a similar fashion: they are in a cold, unfeeling rendition of a large city.
Hyperbole be damned, Mike saying he is not a fan of Carpenter’s music and that his score here is detrimental to the film is the most disappointing thing he has said in any of his videos.
Still waiting on Escape From L.A. It'd be the total reversal of this.
Mike is mad that it's not Jurassic World. "Where is my obvious cliches, Goddammit?"