KSP - Space Shuttle RTLS revisited with real guidance programs

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  • I revisit the Space Shuttle Return-to-Launch-Site abort using my OPS1 program for ascent guidance and OPS3 for glide and landing.
    For bug reports, open up an issue on the GitHub repo
    System : i5 13600k@ 5.1 GHz , 64 Gb RAM, RTX3090Ti
    KSP version 1.12.3
    Modlist (non-exhaustive) :
    -Real Solar system + dependencies
    -EVE Raymarched Volumetrics (Early access)
    -ballisticfox's RSS Reborn
    -Realism Overhaul + dependencies
    -Kerbal Operating system
    -Principia
    -Kerbal Konstructs
    -KerbinSide props
    -OSS statics
    -Tundra space center
    -kOS Ferram plugin
    -My own fork of Ferram Aerospace (github.com/giu...)
    -My own fork of Space Shuttle System (github.com/giu...)
    -the kOS Shuttle OPS1 script
    (github.com/giu...)
    -the kOS Shuttle OPS3 script
    (github.com/giu...)
    -My own fork of SpaceODY's STS Locations (github.com/giu...)
    Music:
    - Darkfall by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio
    - Winter Storm - Junichi Nakatsuru, AC5 OST
    - Redemption by Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio

ความคิดเห็น • 72

  • @Kanru-5829
    @Kanru-5829 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

    Funny to think how every single trajectory screen that the shuttle had was just basically “Here are two lines and a shuttle symbol, keep the shuttle within the lines.” Really amazing video though!

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Towards the end of the program they implemented the ASCENT BEARING and ENTRY BEARING displays which basically are moving maps, kind of like the Orbiter2016 MFDs.
      They first flew them on STS-126

    • @iamarizonaball2642
      @iamarizonaball2642 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@giuliodondi odd idea for a mission, but what if you had one where the shuttle had to be repurposed into a passenger transport across the pacific?

  • @LuccasLab
    @LuccasLab 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    babe wake up new Giulio Dondi just dropped

  • @AbhChallenger
    @AbhChallenger 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    This is already so amazing. But think about this. They built this complicated software into the shuttle during the era of disco music. It also had to be synchronized across multiple computers with the power to detect and vote out a broken system. And it HAD to work. There was no way a human could calculate all this by looking at the instruments. It either had to work or the president was going to have to make a sad speech. My respect to the software and hardware engineers and the many people that contributed to this amazing piece of software history. And thank you for doing your part to show us this amazing piece of history.

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      For those reasons they had the BFS, an isolated computer running a sinplified version of the guidance equations and the OS.
      There is this presentation on software-induced Loss of Crew and Vehicle (LOCV) www.slideshare.net/slideshow/space-shuttle-flight-software-pass-loss-of-crew-errors-jk-orr-20150827-52150515/52150515 which details one simulated emergency where two rapid engine failures bricked all four primary computers, without the BFS it would have been fatal

  • @SRFirefox
    @SRFirefox หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Bloody incredible. Your simulation makes it all seem so simple, but it's downright terrifying to think of actually executing an RTLS Abort with crew aboard.

  • @Tmccreight25Gaming
    @Tmccreight25Gaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Funny how the letters RTLS used to send shivers down the spines of every spaceflight fan but now those letters just mean "cool we get to see a SpaceX Booster land on land instead of at sea"

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      If humans were on board we would still shiver I think

    • @dsdy1205
      @dsdy1205 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@giuliodondi not as much, the Shuttle had such a low TWR during its RTLS and such a narrow flight envelope that made RTLS hair raising
      I rather suspect Starship's envelope will be much larger.

  • @matthewdev
    @matthewdev 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The Shuttle sure is a cool vehicle, but these abort scenarios are just insane. And to think that the shuttle could've been quite different, if not for that one very specific mission profile the DoD wanted (and never got to do it)

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      In 1971 the Shuttle baseline was quite different, with smaller wings and internal fuel tanks. Yet, it still had an RTLS abort scheme involving a combined aerodynamic-thrusting turn to reverse course. You can read about it here: ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19720006189/downloads/19720006189.pdf , not sure if this would have been that much safer.
      All the problems with the Shuttle concept fundamentally stem from the horizontal-landing/spaceplane paradigm. But spaceplanes are cool.
      Also, the Vandenberg once-around crossrange requirement was not exactly imposed on NASA by the Air Force, I think they wanted it anyways for aborts, but I don't have a reference for this sadly

    • @matthewdev
      @matthewdev 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @giuliodondi I must confess, I saw that information in a Scott Manley video, stating that the modifications required for the shuttle to fulfill that specific mission profile had made the orbiter more complex than it otherwise had to be, especially regarding the extended hypersonic glide time requirement. It's been a good while since I've watched it, could very well be wrong

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@matthewdev I know exactly the video, the one about the 3A/3B missions.
      The Air Force requirement was being able to launch into polar orbits from Vandenberg. Then, in 1973, the Vandenberg launch was formalized into the 3A/3B reference mission profile, involving deployment or retrieva of a satellite and reentry in a once-around orbit.
      These missions did drive the aerodynamic and heat shield design, and yet there is no explicit mention of them beyond a couple papers in 1973/74. This 1977 paper here ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/19770026315/downloads/19770026315.pdf studies the exact reentry profile for a once- around mission from Vandenberg and yet doesn't mention the 3A/3B reference profiles.
      My speculation is that the 3A/3B missions were nothing more than wargame studies (because they're ludicrous and only make sense in a state of war) but the high crossrange WAS useful to NASA for once.around abort capability for the Vandenberg mission they actually were going to fly (STS-62A) .
      Moreover, high crossrange gives you two or three deorbit windows every day for pretty much any landing site at almost any inclination, so you can wait for weather to clear up, which they did a lot

  • @andrewhofmann5453
    @andrewhofmann5453 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Ive always admired anyone who can make kOS work well, great job!

  • @famlrnamemssng
    @famlrnamemssng 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Rtls seems like something I’d do just messing around in ksp

  • @LeonelEBD
    @LeonelEBD 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    RTLS is just plain crazy!

  • @ghostblackout1
    @ghostblackout1 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Video in Love the size of the video because I can full screen it on my tablet and I still can't believe that was a real plan that NASA wanted to use

  • @josublancoortiz9824
    @josublancoortiz9824 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lovely lovely programming there mate

  • @mbmurphy777
    @mbmurphy777 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really impressive work!

  • @motokid6008
    @motokid6008 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Your camera work is awesome. Great video.

  • @judet2992
    @judet2992 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Shows the power of the RS-25s that even with two or one they can still get the orbiter back.

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      in a 2EO situation you only get the Orbiter back if you're in the last 30 seconds or so of powered RTLS or you're in a 2EO GREEN area and within range of Bermuda or an ECAL site, or single engine TAL/ATO.
      Any other situation and you have to bail out

    • @judet2992
      @judet2992 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@giuliodondi yeah, but still, impressive.

  • @Schultz89
    @Schultz89 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    holy shit your aerodynamic model handles so well, I'm definitely flying the shuttle with a joystick now

  • @atempestrages5059
    @atempestrages5059 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was breathtaking and frightening to watch.

  • @nikelinq2899
    @nikelinq2899 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    (In KSP RSS) While launching out of vandenberg (using your script) I actually had to do an RTLS abort. It was scary, it was precarious, but we made it home

    • @judet2992
      @judet2992 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The shuttle never did an abort, what are you talking about?

    • @Kanru-5829
      @Kanru-5829 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@judet2992 he’s talking about in game

    • @judet2992
      @judet2992 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kanru-5829 ah nice

    • @nikelinq2899
      @nikelinq2899 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@judet2992 I was referring to KSP RSS, and there was a shuttle abort
      STS-51F
      it was an ATO (Abort to orbit) after a single RS-25 failed 5 minutes into the flight

    • @judet2992
      @judet2992 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@nikelinq2899 ah thanks, also I meant RTLS abort.

  • @NollieFlipX
    @NollieFlipX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That was so cool to watch

  • @jross1269
    @jross1269 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    babe its time for your daily giulio dondi guidance-posting!!!!

  • @Kanru-5829
    @Kanru-5829 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really late comment but I think that once you get the contingency aborts finished up that you should showcase them in a video recreating the STS-26 RTLS Test Simulation. It’d be a neat way to test it out and would fit perfectly.

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I know the video, that might be a good idea for the 2EO blue case, although it would end in a bailout

  • @xtron1234
    @xtron1234 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tasteful Ace Combat 5 music. Though it would be rather sudden in a funny way if Ofnir and Grabacr showed up as they did. Very nice video all in all!

  • @Dominion69420
    @Dominion69420 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is so fucking awesome. Fantastic work!

  • @Ph33NIXx
    @Ph33NIXx 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Impressive... really impressive.

  • @kerbaman5125
    @kerbaman5125 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow, that's really cool!

  • @vovochen
    @vovochen หลายเดือนก่อน

    Guilino - maybe you wanna take a look into the Flight Sim DCS - there's PLENTY of realism in there, and communitys the nicest I know.

  • @vovochen
    @vovochen หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow !!!!!!!

  • @21volts_gaming_official
    @21volts_gaming_official 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Could you please demonstrate a contingency abort mid-RTLS like you said it could?
    (Never mind lol, just finished the vid and saw you were already planning it.)

  • @lerk.
    @lerk. 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    RTLS abort aka taking the shuttle out for a spin

  • @spacebeetle
    @spacebeetle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    you're a god

  • @listener-tt1gw
    @listener-tt1gw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    impressive

  • @Ejd582
    @Ejd582 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    please make a video of how to install your shuttle mod dependiences etc

  • @MaoistBanker
    @MaoistBanker 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I have no doubt Eileen Collins would have aced this had it been required for STS-93

  • @tinto278
    @tinto278 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Worm shuttle > Meatball Shuttle.

  • @Hsa12354
    @Hsa12354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is honestly incredible, I just have one question does it work with SOCK and ksrss

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      no, the programs are calibrated for my fork of SSS and full RSS/RO

    • @Hsa12354
      @Hsa12354 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@giuliodondiok thanks great job though

  • @eekee6034
    @eekee6034 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazing to see such automated control, but why does is broken engine lit at times after it fails?

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the several takes I did, sometimes the right engine was shut down.
      The first engine to fail is either the left or the right at random

  • @builderdude9488
    @builderdude9488 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Would it be possible to use the OPS1 and OPS3 scripts without far and principia? the two just eat at my resources when im playing...

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Principia is not listed as a requirement anywhere in the readmes.
      FAR is a necessary requirement of RO and the Shuttle System fork, these will never work without

  • @gabrielbonfim3077
    @gabrielbonfim3077 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi! Is EVE Raymarched Volumetrics (Early Acess) the volumetric cloiuds mod from blackrack?

  • @Ejd582
    @Ejd582 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

    hello giulio i asked to raiz space but my script doesn't work when I put run shuttle or ops1 or ops3 nothing happens just a line error or something like that

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      1 - This is not the place to be asking for support. Go to the GitHub issues
      2 - "just a line error or something like that" - am I supposed to understand what your problem is from this?

    • @Ejd582
      @Ejd582 21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ok i try

  • @nethertamer9943
    @nethertamer9943 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you sue to get the engine flares for the SRBs?

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  21 วันที่ผ่านมา

      the SSS fork has all the dependencies listed

  • @eclipticsim
    @eclipticsim 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    How do you get your fork of sts locations to work with RSS reborn?

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      never tried this.
      I would just keep the KK groups and static configs and throw the rest, like the Edwards and Vandenberg terrain

  • @dsdy1205
    @dsdy1205 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Broke: If Giulio Dondi kOS RTLS is so good, where is Giulio Dondi kOS RTLS 2?
    Woke:

  • @anonanon5146
    @anonanon5146 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can it do Columbia?

    • @giuliodondi
      @giuliodondi  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean?

  • @nils8580
    @nils8580 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Really impressive work!