6 pots Tokico vs 4 pot Nissin Brake calipers, which is best?
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So which is the better brake caliper? The Tokico 6 pot or the Nissin 4 pot?
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6 pots are beautiful. Well maintained , fully rebuild and I never had any problems. And a feel of them is spot on.
I’ve had both.
The conclusion I came to was this; even rebuilt 6 pot calipers with new pistons and seals, are still crap afterwards. They’re better than before, but a fully rebuilt 4 pot caliper is better than the fully rebuilt 6 pot caliper. Hands down the 4 pot caliper wins.
I’ve rode both and feel the 4 pot is better feel and more progressive they have a big and small piston and that helps with initial bite. The 4 is more controlled. I have no problem with bleeding with either. HH pads are a must don’t buy cheap pads
This comment my seem a bit out of the blue, but I really like your laid-back style!! Thanks for the vid.
I rode slingshot 1100's for years, i love the 6 pots on my K2 but the 1100 was heavy. Had my k2 for 19 years and haven't had to strip the brakes. Fluid changes and braided hoses. Summer riding though. Good 4 pots Nissin brakes a good but i was forever stripping them.
they had to be on the 1100 all that weight
I prefer the 6 pots. Rebuild about 4 sets over the years most on TL1000 and Zx7r. Yes they do take more to look after but when you rebuild and bleed them properly they are amazing.
I think I’m with you Paul, when they are working you can’t beat the 6 pots 😎
Whats best front and rear wheel master cylinder to use with your 4 pot calipers?
I’ve got a 1985 GSXR750 that I’ve been riding since January 1986. About 13 or 14 years ago, I put on 3rd generation USD forks and 17” rims with the Nissin 4 pot calipers and 1st Gen Hayabusa master cylinders. The 4 pot were pretty good. Good stopping power and decent feel. I swapped the 4 pot calipers for 6 pot calipers about 6 years ago and am happy with them for sure. They bleed well and have not caused me any concerns. Ive got steel braided lines as well so that improves the feel. I primarily I ride in the spring, summer, fall and tend not to ride in the rain.
What better: running two 2piston calipers or a single 4piston caliper on the rear ?
I had Tokico 6-pots on a Kawasaki ZRX 1200 and rebuilt them, new seals, new pads, (and added braided lines), the whole nine yards. Perfectly adequate for the road, but when I did a track-day I cooked them to the point where I had major brake fade and had to end my session early. Replaced them with Nissin 4-pots (again, newly rebuilt, new pads) and the difference was night-and-day. The 4-pots anchored on so much firmer, with better feel, and don't overheat on track... absolutely the best thing I've done to my bike.
Obviously, what's great for me isn't necessarily going to be good for someone else, but that was my own experience of them. 🙂
I never had much sucess with that tie on lever to rid of all air in the system. It is good for few hours and then its back again. I have VFR750, brakes are good, but after I pump the lever, I can notice that sometimes is stiffer. So I guess there is some tiny air bubbles inside. I tried to unscrew the banjo bolt at the master but that didn't help.
I have a 5/8 master cylinder with 6 pot calipers as stock but I want nissin 4 pots so can I run the four pots with the stock 15.8mm / 5/8 master cylinder without any problems . It's only for the maintenance side of things
I've got 6 pots on one of my zx9r's and they've been fine with regular maintenance. Stripped and reassembled a few times with no issues. My other zx9r had 6 pots on and I just couldn't get a decent lever. Swapped to 4 pots and were perfect in 5 minutes.
Hey Ady, I think you summarise the problems and success people have with the different calipers perfectly
If you want the creme de la creme. Track down the Nissin 6 pots as fitted to the Zx7rr
Swapped my 6 pots from my zx9 to nissin 4 pots, was sick to death of putting new seals in them, you only need to get caught in the rain twice and the dust seals are out, didn't notice any extra stopping power but just the fact they require far less maintenance is good enough for me, when overhauling the tokico's do one side at a time whilst leaving the other side fully bled up on the bike, if you try bleeding these up together after a overhaul when there both bone dry you'll be in for a long night.
6 pots on my zx12 and 12 bandit, looked after with the right pads perfect. swopped over to 4 pots nissin on my gxsr1100 not as much bite but that maybe down to pads.
First thing i always do on a new bike is split the calipers new seals no problems.
Hey Mark, thanks for sharing your experiences. What pads do you use?
@@Classicmotorbikes Goldfren sintered on the 6 pots and nissin padds on the 4 pots
the 6 pods mostly come with slightly bigger pads , that's basically one of the biggest upgrade
Got a pair of Gold 6 pot tok s replaced 4 pots on 1250 bandit which got brake fade went braided lines hyubusa master cylinder love em strong feel in lever a 5 year old couid change the pads easy bleed push air up line
Thanks for the insight Simon, always good to hear other peoples experiences 👍
Got 4 pots on my f3 and work great, recently bout a mk2 bandit 1200 with 6 pots, brake lever comes back to the handle bars, bled the system thoroughly from the calipers nipples, braided lines on calipers and master cylinder, still sh*t
is your lever set to position "1" ?
Nice one.
Thank you for the kind words 😎
I have ridden my Kawasaki EX500 without dust seals for 10 years without any problems.
my nissins came off a triumph, they are much better on my busa than the 6pots.
Hey zzzpip, I've seen a few people use the triumph callipers as they don't fetch the same premium as the Nissin branded ones.
@@Classicmotorbikes some are branded Triumph and some Nissin but the Tokico 6 pot calipers are not rated by brake experts and I did a lot of research.
That’s why the Triumph Super 3 used Alcon 6’s cus the Tok’s are just to much bother 👍🏼
Personally I have only used the 4 pot's, they feel just fine to me
Would you use pattern parts for brake refurbishment or only original, and what Pads would you recommend
Cheers for the video
Personally I'd use originals. I used pattern on some forks (dust and oil seals) and within a week they were leaking. I complained and they sent me some new ones. These new ones lasted 2 weeks before leaking!! I had now done the job 2 times and was wondering if I had a bigger issue. I bit the bullet and bought the Suzuki seals to the tune of £60. (The pattern ones were £15). 4 years later, and 3 fork strip downs, they haven't leaked once! With brakes I wouldn't personally take that chance.
You as the consumer do not know the quality of the materials used to manufacture the seals and more often than not, you get what you pay for.
@@Icem4n84 cheers Steve.
I think I will go the original route
@@BorisKarloff66 fork seals oem everytime but brake seals iv never had a pattern seal leak yet.
Hey buddy, brake seals I’ve used plenty of pattern stuff over the years and not had any issues, but don’t think you can beat genuine 👍
New master cylinder, new hoses, new seals in 6 pots and lever still right back to the bar. Bled and pushed pads back again so definitely no air. Any ideas?
just complete stab in the dark here, have you tried bleeding it from the master cylinder? sometimes airs can get trapped in the master cylinder when other seems to have been completely bled. if so, the only solution is the hydraulic ratio of the pistons, let me know how it goes.
nels
i prefer 4 pots, i don't like the ''lag'' with 6 pots when you start to press the pump and bike start to brake, maybe i just need to bleed it better, but it happen on different bikes...
6 pots have more surface for breaking force than 4 pots, so it should brake better, but nowadays 4 pots can lock easily the front wheel, we mostly seen 6 pots on 90's bike when the brake pads wasn't so good as today
You are right, so many variables when it comes to brakes, the different types of pads can make a massive difference as well.
6 pots and dust seals in the bin never a problem
Hi Dave, Thanks for letting us know you feelings 😎👍
6 pots for me are superior in all ways.
I think today we have become lazy and expect bike parts to perform like a car - ie keep working for years and years without maintainence.... I think its due to rubber dust seal BOOTS that cars have. Plus a bike isn't used like a car and there's an EXPECATION that a rider will service correctly and keep that bike tip top.... I suspect newer riders will have no expectation to throw some love on the bike.
Bleeding brakes can be a nightmare sometimes - I think folk are struggling with them mounted in situ. I bleed them off the fork leg - so I can maniuplate the air flow in cavities etc and get every last bit out of the bleed nipple. Just need to remember to take the space of the brake disc up by inserting something to stop the pistons popping out.
Ive never had to back bleed. Never needed to use the cable tie method. I do use a manual vacuum pump and that makes it easy to do.
Technically the surface area of friction is directly proportional the braking performance.... imagine a heavy van with little bike brake discs and calipers - it'd be dangerous.
4 pots four me ❤️👍🏍🔧
Good to hear Graham 👍
Rear break is the worst for sticking, need to use caliper grease , will last 2 years.
I had 2 srad, a 600 with a tokico's 4 pots (witch i replaced by nissin's 4 pots later on), and 750 with 6 pots, and honestly i'ts quit the same to me. The real different was when i replaced the genuine master cylinder by a Beringer BR14. The feeling was way better on both srad's, appart from the number of pots.
Actually I have a 1000k3 with radial calipers, 4 pots and individual brake pads by pot, this is what I call decent brakes !!
Hey Alex, thanks for letting us your experiences, I love the brakes on Bill’s K5 1000 they really slow you down quickly!
Any as long as they work. 6 pots if you can bleed them properly 4 pots if you can't 🤣👍
I think this sums it up pretty well! 😱
4 pots on mine,prefer 6 had on CBR much better feel.
Hi Rimas, thank you for sharing your experiences.
4 pots, remember taking 6 pots off a gixer thou race bike cause they were cack 👊
I always found them ok, but then again I only ride them on the road
BLINK, man. gosh.
4 pots all the way
Thanks for letting us know 👍
All Tokico calipers (including your 6potters) have the piston recepticles machined after paint or anodising and the raw aluminium is prone to corrode quickly with any moisture trapped in hygroscopic brake fluid, Nissins are anodised inside and out. I shouted my '90 gsxr11 (owned since new) a set of braided lines for it's 25th birthday, never once replaced or topped up fluid in that time and they were corrosion free when I cleaned them out. Have same Nissins on 3 other project bikes and they are all fine internally despite looking manky when I bought them from wreckers/ebay etc.
Performance wise, f all difference. more to do with pad/disc material combo. I live in oz so no salt/ice to deal with but seriously, who wants to clean calipers and replace fluid every 12 months especially with the price of silicone fluid? I'll take the Nissins every time.
Hi Roberto, thank you for insight with the different brake callipers, you learn something new very day! I'm impressed with the 25 year old brake lines and fluid. how much is the brake fluid in oz? I use Dot4 and can get 5L for around £25.
@@Classicmotorbikes Dot4 is cheap as chips mate, similar to yours but the full silicone dot5 (not 5.1, it's still glycol based) is about 15pound in your money for a half litre. It's worth every penny though, won't hurt paint, non-hygroscopic and lasts forever. You MUST MUST MUST thouroughly clean all components before using it, mixed with any glycol based fluids, it turns to jelly and that won't end well! I've read comments that don't recommend it with abs systems but silicone is one of the most inert fluids you'll find and I've never had a single issue with the stuff on any of my bikes. I'd bet my lefty the issues come from blokes mixing the two types.
dust seal removal is stupid if its dragging on that seal then replace ...both the calibers are getting on now but the nissin is a better caliber the tokico are cheaply made and the finish is not as good ... the seal removal has come from race application the for mentioned is not a top end race unit that are designed to not have them..... its not as easy as my fg322 ohlins forks the ohlins seal is low friction thats grate for performance but not so good for retaining oil in the fork leg ... i use brembo gp4,s on one of my bikes and have brembo m50s on my sdr there a world apart it really is a case of you pay your money you get your goods
Hey buddy, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I think if I was ever going to get some aftermarket calipers I’d give the HEL ones a try or if the budget allowed some PFM
I think the dust seals are removed when they are binding because you don't have to remove the pistons, so it's a quick win for fixing binding brakes. And then of course, no-one bothers to go back later and remove the brakes and replace the dust seals, because everything appears to be working fine.