Destiny 2 - SAINT-14 IS MISSING! The Conductor Corrupting His Mind
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- Echoes week 3. We collect samples, but Saint-14 goes missing. As we Travel through Nessus to uncover these mysteries, we find a new enemy. One Conductor commanding the Vex. let's take a look
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Oh the Conductor pissed Failsafe off...
I have never thought of Failsafe being pissed, but even I got goosebumps.
@SShiro937 same it's eerie af like I've never heard this part of her
"I like to see you so strong... and murderous" 😂
The next act better not be us using all the samples to make tea for Saint so he isn't mind controlled...
Instead of Naserac lean, its a Vex milk latte.
Hahaha gold
@@matthewlopez2002vex semen soup
😂😂. Bruh I spat
That's gotta have some bigger implications later for osiris. Like he's had witch Queen of lies in him, and now the nightmare demon.
Imagine a season where Clovis takes control of all exo's, Including guardians and tries to take over.
Well my hunter would be killing everyone one
As interesting of a thought that is, I just don't see anything like it happening. Bungie don't seem like they truly want to do anything that would make us lose more characters after losing Cayde for good this. That's just me.
what even happened to him at the end of seraph did he die
@@lonecalzone6901he got banished to Europa, he can’t interface anywhere else
@@lonecalzone6901 no he’s still on Europa
Maya is trying to become the 2nd Knife, merging with the countless Radiolaria!
Oh noooooo
The Guardian: Ah shit, here we go again.
Oh damn, that reminds me of those story pieces we got week over week out of those data logs, wasn't what she did somewhat similar to how the wittness was created?
@@stuffandthings617 She merged with her fellow scientists, except her wife Chioma Esi. And yes they merged using The Veil as The Witness did. This time it seems like she is leveraging the merged Light and Dark in the Echo to perform the ritual again.
So The Conductor is from the original timeline where Saint was dead and she basically infected Saint who our Guardian and Osiris has saved with what is essentially a logic plague that is now causing Saint to have an existential crisis. Add that to the Vex are starting to use more militaristic tactics which could mean they can plot ambushes and last line initiatives. Act I ends with Saint having an existential crisis and the new leader coordinating the Vex in the form of The Conductor.
Back in Season of the Deep where Osiris and Nimbus were going over the logs of Chioma Esi who recorded the experiments conducted on the Veil by the Ishtar Collective led by Maya Sundaresh. Code names involving an orchestra such as a conductor and a chorus were used. Pretty much Dr. Esi watched in horror as Sundaresh continued with the experiments despite many people are dying from it eventually leading Maya to be consumed by it too. It's also known that Maya Sundaresh ever since those Veil experiments have made multiple copies of herself within the Vex network through her studies of the Veil. Those many copies of Maya Sundaresh were all eventually lost in the network leaving only an Exo copy of herself in the form of Lakshmi-2. The Echo may have attracted one copy of Maya Sundaresh allowing her to gain a sense of self with great strength and becoming The Conductor commanding and coordinating the Vex on Nessus creating a new symphony of her own control.
Those logs were the first thing I thought about when Saint mentioned the "Conductor" too.
I hope it's not all the copies merged into one
Chioma Esi was also one of the Copies released into the vex network. If Maya did the same procedure the precursors did to become the Witness, wouldn't she just have joined the witness? become part of it. Then when we broke it apart, she's free again and landed on Nessus.
@@domvasta No, Maya and the Ishtar Collective was mainly making use of the Vex Network concepts for most of their experiments and while Maya did do experiments on the Veil, she created her copies in the Vex Network. Vex Network is not part of the Witness but it's among the Vex minds themselves.
W season for failsafe
I need Failsafe to become an exo and become a guardian. She would be fun to go on missions with.
@@nokturn882this would be so cool
@@nokturn882you’re not wrong and seeing her flip through the 2 personalities
My poor Vex brothers and sisters and i feel bad for Saint i think he needs a hug
Well this has opened an unexpected can of worms, Saint seems to be having an identity crisis.
To add some context for those Guardians that were not around back in 2018 there was a quest line on Mercury that took us to the resting place of Saint-14 within a simulated future conjured by the Infinite Forest. From our perspective back then the Martyr Mind had already drained his light and the vex eventually overwhelmed him, but the Vex seemed to develop something of a respect for saint and so fashioned a tomb for him. Fast forward some time and these events would play out different and we would end up saving Saint and supposedly erasing his tomb from the timeline.
Now I would have assumed that Osiris would have told him about his alternate fate and yet this 'truth' presented to him has shaken the old Titan to his foundations. In truth we cannot confirm if Saint's body no longer exists, unless Osiris removed it from the forest and gave it a proper burial, but even then the body may have ceased to exist once we altered history.
The fact that Saint seemed to accept the truth so easily does not sit right with me and makes me believe that there is some kind of manipulation going on.
He has a point. Our guardian saw a grave stone of Saint. Which imply that the saint from our timeline have died. Looks like Osiris looked through time and found another Saint from a different timeline. This will bring implications.
But at the same time it was a simulated future since Saint is starting to question himself well that should bring up a plethora of questions to ask aswell like is Saints grave really our timeline of Saint or could that be a “fake” Saint too? (Edit: agreed) It definitely opens an entire can of worms.
@@nokturn882agreed it just opens a lot of different possible scenarios now.
rather the respect i think it was fear so they entombed him to keep him in(incase he somehow revived) and to keep everything out i mean he prob killed millions of vex before they finally killed him
I have to wonder if the Witness also had a singular conductor in its collective consciousness, and if that's the same voice we heard refer to itself as "I" instead of "we" at the end of Excision
I think you can fairly assume this is the case. The conductor for the Witness might be one of the Precursors we saw lore about. I can’t remember their code names
Although these episodes seem just like seasons, I am genuinely having a lot of fun with the content.
And just as things were getting interesting, the act finishes😃. Honestly excited to see where this goes.
"the copy of a copy of a copy".. NIN vibes
“We will locate it, and we will make it pay! 😊”
Hearing saint 14 question himself reminds me of how in Fallout 4, nick valentine is mad how everything that he has is thanks to a man that’s not him
The Conductor is giving Kang The Conqueror vibes
Also even if this is a different Saint we pulled out of the forest what is Saint on about, he isn’t technically the original Saint-14 anyway since he was effectively a different person the instant his ghost resurrected him for the first time.
Well from the mumbling we over hear during this week's mission the Conductor seems to be telling Saint that he's doing damage to this current timeline by existing in it.
So an identity crisis with a side of "my very existence threatens the world."
He *is* the original Saint-14 otherwise he wouldn’t still have use of his light or his ghost since the vex can’t simulate paracausality (the powers of light and dark).
@@HolyAbomination agreed, I feel like the fact saint has Geppetto should be proof enough since the vex could not simulate paracausal forces.
@@Zer0megaXX
And if Bungie goes through with this retcon, this is implying that the vex can now replicate paracausal forces which is an enormous can of worms I don’t think they’ll be able to close.
Im now so excited for the rest of the acts. This is a story beat I've been suspecting since Season of Dawn.
If only i cared about it
@@reggielacey2235 nice you dont! now that i acknoledged your boresome, let others enjoy things!
I believe I figured out the route of this 'act' system
Act 1 - It appears to be a Act 1 will be a investigation part of the story and the end will lead into Act 2
Act 2 - Will be us going into the core of nessus and probably more developments
Act 3 - Probably more of a finale type deal of stuff
This is a interesting way of doing things if I'm being honest. I just wish it was did differently
Cry me a river@@reggielacey2235
@@dropkick3024 well, The episodes are dropping for the first time. Let’s just call these prototype episodes and they may change in the near future. Have to wait and see.
I want to take Failsafe with me wherever I go. To keep her uhhh.. safe of course!
Mmmmmmhmmmmmm (I completely agree)
Crazy that we only have one line about Venus. I miss Venus in Destiny so much. I feel like it could have had a great part in this story
Clovis and Maya Sundaresh, if these two meet...
I do believe once she told him to go f himself
and Atraks-1...
Just a imagine a raid with Clovis and Maya as the targets.
Clovis and Maya Sundaresh met many times in the golden age. Maya actually worked for Clovis. They created Exos together.
@@rytr0nious yeah but I mean in the present, in their newer forms.
So the curse of Nezarec responds to the invasion of Sant 14 by the Conductor. I fear Mithrax's time grows short!!
Why do I think he will be the antagonist in the next season. Corrupted by the essence of Nezarec.
@@seifer6665 I can see what you mean, but I don't see it myself, if anything I see Mithrax sacrificing himself (and hopefully become the First Eliksni Guardian) before allowing Nezarec full control of him. In any case we already know our main antagonist is going to be Fikrul the Fanatic, and what's occurring to the Scorn.
@@reamoinmcdonachadh9519 but didn't the echos thing say mithrax would help us become a monster hunter to kill scorn and corrupted eliksni
@@johngancarcik5682 Indeed, but that does not prevent some harm to come Mithrax's way. And the Curse of Nezarec is no laughing matter. That it manifests (or seems to) in the presence of an 'Echo' does not bode well for Mithrax!!
@reamoinmcdonachadh9519 look at how powerful nezzy is he feeds off pain and suffering which mithrax is in pain since making nezcafe
Act 1 is off to a great start story wise, cant wait to see what happens next
Who else entered the radiolaria and became? Bro all exos and what’s his name with the vex arm. Remember how they talked about getting lost in the sea of differences? So maybe we will talk more with the guy hiding within the vex, the one that used the harpy.
You mean asher mir?
My brother, that man no longer exists within the Vex system, he ctrl+alt+del himself because he got what he wanted. Also the person you're thinking of is Asher Mir, and yeah, like I said, he's gone now.
@@lt_bev6676 yeah haha my b
Asher Mir is gone. Forgot what season it was but Mithrax confirmed it. However, wasn’t there a small fragment of Failsafe’s former Captain in another Blue-eyed Harpy?
@@felixthescholarlytitan4437 Mithrax said he got swept away just like the people hookin up to the veil. If the veil is memory and everything is remembered then that’s why it was connected to the light. They aren’t gone, just lost and those data points are the reason we can find him just as maya found herself.
I'm not gunna lie when I first seen this scene it really kinda tugged my emotions--- we've seen the lengths Saint has gone for Osiris when dealing with the witch queen. I think he even warned Savathun pretty harshly about what she did, and we know Osiris, as arrogant or... big-headed as he can be- still means well. Osiris really does care for saint, and saint for osiris, so seeing this just really freaking sucks--- I hope Osiris can finally stop being the exposition manual and show us why he was called a prodigy again~ sure he doesn't have his infinite self army--- but he's still got strand, and now he's got Personal enemies.
What ikora says at the start of the mission is really chilling
Man I Love Saints and Osiris Relationship. They're so cute together :)
i've also noticed in the pink/violet pools of light on nessus that have the encoded messages in it, a woman's image is seen in it and it looks familiar to the image of the new vex leader in the promo trailer. she also showed up at the end of the mission during this weeks story.
Ohhhhhh boy. Saint-14 having an identity/existential crisis, and I don't think a reboot into Saint-15 is gonna cut it.
You had the exact same movement pattern as me in this cutscene 😂
11:57 Saint says his existence is an error etc etc... i think this Episode shoulda include Elsie Bray... she is not a Guardian, just a person who is jumping timelines to other timelines... and has No time to explain why she has No time to explain. Elsie and Saint would probably nag and yap about timelines, existence etc etc. Saint would tell Elsie that the timelines SHE has seen was supposed to happen etc etc. man, i wanna see Elsie and Saint go at each other 😅 Elsie dresses as a Hunter despite not forged by Light and Saint is a Titan, obviously
The conductor should turn out to be Brother Vance, as a surprise twist. He assimilated into the Vex network, through the Infinite Forest, took over, and was biding his time to strike against Saint and Osiris as payback for not even knowing who he was after devoting himself to Osiris for all those years.
Those logs in Neomuna from one of its founders were one of the first things I thought of when I heard "Conductor" get thrown around. I wonder if that means we'll see Maya Sundaresh or a version of her anyway.
You see when I heard conductor my mind went there too there is a huge connection here
I can see myself in them that even though i have darkness in me, there is also light and even though im out of place the people i love are my anchor.
Nezarec has entered Mtithrax's chat
This brings up the debate to whether we are living in a simulation.
So, something I noticed before but really so more clearly in the Executive Breach, Saint’s helmet looks very much like one of the less used Vex heads, doesn’t it? Specifically the ‘Precusor’ Vex head, who were supposed one of the earlier types of Vex?
Makes me wonder if this is the first Saint to fully under Vex influence, or if it’s happened in the past. They did build him a tomb, after all.
A interesting little detail is that if you stand inside saints Ward of Dawn, you actually can't hear ikora when she initially first starts talking
See you in 20 days
Well, time for Osiris to find Saint-14 again, but at least this time, he doesn't have to use the time travel thing ( I hope)
Imagine taking over all the exos within the solar system.
During Veil Containment, I threw out the possibility that Maya Sundaresh became Witness 2.0.
Glad one of my predictions, or theories, finally came true
hey guys i do not know if anyone else thought this but in the lore in almost every other universe the vex take over the world, and at 6:21 saint-14 says that a new age is coming, one withough divisions WHICH I THINK IS SEMI IMPORTANT becuase the leaker that said he leaked d3 said that there will be not faction system, OR NO DIVISIONs. im not a true lore guy so this may seem far feched but im just thining
Saint fo sho dyin this episode… jus sayin with the beginning cutscene about Saint’s dream of travelling the universe with Osiris, it just feels like ironic foreshadowing or sumthin
What if it’s Osiris that dies in the episode. What if Osiris sacrifices himself to safe Saint? Besides Osiris is lightless and has only one life left. And it’s only a matter of time until he kicks the bucket
I cannot wait to fight the conductor and whoever is the enemy in revenant, in the new raid. Would be a very fitting end for both bosses. Splitting the fire team in two to fight one boss at a time and switching per damage phase because of say a debuff for 2 minutes. I really hope they confirm the Maya being the conductor thing. There’s no way they say it’s one of her copies from the vex network or Choi Essie. Choi wouldn’t make sense as why would she do the same thing that maya did, that she despised?
11:45 okay so Osiris is an experiment from the golden age. I’m starting to think that maybe the older species that turned into the witness is us. We use the measurements and share them through words and sounds. We share to find the ai from the connections, we could work backwards and find a human attached to the info but with no history attached then won’t be possible so maybe the data points that outline the self are also the ones that outline the universe just the same as locations but since it’s more complex we are looking deeper into the web of connections but the conductor became part of it and learned like a god. Maybe she is talking about how the vex created this version of saint and how it’s incomplete, like a false replica missing pieces or malformed. He doesn’t know because it’s him but the conductor used the data points to see like the witness but she’s different. Maybe she wants to fix them but she doesn’t understand after becoming lost in the sea and merging, like the witness and now a false image or direction is followed. Like a misunderstanding formed between. He’s not just a copy though because he has experienced and connections, it is saint even if it’s just a part. We could use the veil to find him and reconnect his pieces. It’s not like we kill this version but merge this one and the old one or maybe the old one will meet the new one and tell him to keep going because he is him and to not be swayed and to remember and maybe saint will share the memories and then he exits the veils seat or maybe it happens within the traveler or something. This sounds like a pretty big setup for something huge. Maybe the radiolaria is connected to the traveler as well but we just don’t have enough connections to see it. This got me thinking all sorts of cool things.
man i havent been more disapointed than ever this week imagine getting mind controlled LMAO, I hope saint get torn apart this season
I feel like there's gonna be something we're gonna have to do to save Missraks
Feels like telling him a truth
Wonder if elsie will get affected since she kind of time traveled and expericed diffrent realities
If you read the description of Echoes on the timeline in the game, it says, "Delve into the core of the living planet Nessus, and pursue a ruthless new threat with a familiar face". So whoever the Conductor is, it's someone we've met before. People are speculating that it's Maya, but we have never met her before. Maybe it is her, maybe it's not. Who knows.
Brother Vance
I wanna know how NEW radiolarium is formed. How the vex multiply their actual "form"
Let’s goo
It would be cool that if your guardian was an Exo, You could faintly hear the voice speaking to Saint.
I think Saint means he died before he was an exo not by the vex. The exo’s all have radiolaria that can be influenced. The copy of the copy of a copy sounds like all the different times cayde “died” until cayde 7
I will hold my opinions in the story until the last act. Not a fan of the usual seasonal loop though gameplay wise
Like how much the first storyline of this new saga feels like completely uncharted territory. An old enemy acting completely new, a new enemy with unknown motive’s & established characters feeling unsure
It really helps make one feel we’re going into new territory and that the death of something on the level of the Witness really meant something.
NOT AGAIN
Every time Ikora Rey says "this doesn't change anything" to a Titan, her attempt to comfort them doesn't work.
How can Saint wield the light if he's just a simulation? Last I remember, the Vex can't simulate paracausal forces.
I thought thay saint was going to be the conductor before i finished the mission
For a while I thought saint was similar to human form but beginning of this new season he’s a Robot??? Wild
He's always been an Exo. It's in this name, Saint-14. 14 memory reboots prior to his resurrection as a guardian.
Anyone with the “-(x number)” is an Exo. That number refers to how many times they’ve been rebooted.
Isn’t the fact that Saint-14 wields the light proof he is still the same Saint-14. Can Vex replicate the Traveller’s powers outside of a simulation?
the "conductor" is definitely maya or at least one of her copies that was let loose in the vex network. i think saint is real but the conductor is messing with his head using her knowledge of exos being made using radiolaria. she probably believes that saint is a copy, the same way she's a copy because we/the guardian saved him from his original fate, which was to die. i personally think that she's corrupted the same way laksmhi-2!maya or og!maya was. it's just pure hubris and ego at play here. she wants to remake earth's golden age in her image, using the echo. nessus is just a testing ground.
Failsave is kinda sacry and dats kinda hot
Oh no! Booty Bot is in trouble
While I am concerned for Saint that weird reaction from Mithrax is also very worrying. Does anyone know what that was about?
The thing where Mithrax doubles over in pain? He's still suffering from the curse of Nezerec.
That will probably be a big thing in the next Episode. Maybe he’ll become the Alucard to Fikrul’s Dracula.
Is Elsie Bray on play here? Bray family have some messed up timeline on top of family relationship...
What if The Conductor is a version of Saint that didn’t die while trapped in the corridors of time and became the “Vex Messiah” that was manifested by one of the “Echoes” it’s why it questioned Saint’s “legitimacy”
It's probably lakshmi-2 and then being revealed to be Maya sundaresh
I can’t wait for the next act. This story is getting very interesting i wonder if my theories will be correct..
Given the threat the Conductor now has against Saint-14's mind as an Exo, what's stopping them lore-wise from brainwashing other Exo Guardians - such as my own Exo Titan?
What mission is this because my mission seemed to stop
Soo In this cutscenes why don t they do something like in god of war turn of the player character and just play with camera like in gow for more cinematic feeling.
Just asking
Too bad Asher cant cut her off at the pass. But then he would probably study the phenomena...
Ok, how much yall wanna bet Saint-14 will pull up a Final Shape Cayde-6?
Failsafe is honestly the most slept on npc of the franchise, i said it
subterfuge and manipulation smells like witness
Is there a lore reason why Osiris couldn’t tell me over the radio what was happening instead of making me go to helm only to send me back to where u was already
They had to get the Guardian off of Nessus so the riggers could move in all the new set pieces and change it for the next scene. Haven't you ever acted in a play?
Send him against anyone but the vex, he's 0-2
Last time she messed around with the Vex thinking she was all high and mighty, the smartest one in the room, she was nothing but a pawn. She was lead to her own death by the Witch Queen. She was so tricked she was broadcasting Savathuns Song across the last city.
I’m missing a key thing here, what curse of Nezarec? When did it start and what’s it doing? I mean we killed him afterall.
What's interesting about Nezarec is that as long as the idea of fear persists, he will continue to live on. He's like the boogieman in the D2 universe
Season of plunder...after we collect all the pieces of Nezerac, Mithrax makes a "tea" fot Osiris to drink to fix what Savathun did to him. Well somehow when making this "tea" Mithrax has something happen to him. We don't know the full effect yet as it's been running in the background in a couple different lore tabs. So far his arm has been becoming tingling and I think in pain. Also if I remember correctly he's also having pains in his chest but I could be wrong about that. So by making the tea Mithrax was cursed by the remains of Nezerac.....hope that helps
@@jessemusil2978 The cursed Nezcafe-
I hope Mithrax doesn't get killed off in the vampire Fikrul episode
@@jessemusil2978 ohh yeah, been so long I forgot about that. I don’t get too much into the all the lore tabs often. 👍
How can Osiris TP if he does not have a ghost??
it's called Transmat, anyone can do it if they have access to it
I bet it’s Lakshmi
what is going on with osiris head
Again?!
Early!!
Saint-14 found an exo woman to plug his jump drive into. Osiris just jealous
To the serial number 😂😂
The samples were a very weak point for the story in my opinion, as well as immersion breaking that the patrol space hasn’t been given the new look. But aside from that when do I get to have maya’s vex milk
I'm calling it, the conductor is Lakshmi 2 - ask me why then i'll provide my theory
Ok I'll bite. Why? And honestly, I kinda have a feeling that it might be her as well. But I'm interested to hear your theory.
Feel like the season story gonna pick up from this point
We still don't know the full truth or context of what happened. It's not like this Conductor is trustworthy.
It’s maya sundaresh
my poor little gay
I just don’t get it how is it Maya. Like this. Came straight outta the witness so how can this be something that’s not part of the witness
Because it doesn't have to be a part of the witness. When Bungie talked about the other episodes they mentioned the echoes being used as weapons.
Maya was messing around with the Veil, so it’s possible she’s or her simulations in the Vex were the only ones who knew how to harness what came from the Witness.
I bet the real saints body was just dead but his consciousness was taken by the hive and he's the new vex leader which is why he knows so much about our Saint? Idk im wrong probably wrong.
from what we know and if you did the new version of the Nessus strike with the Psion boss, it's presumably Maya Sundaresh... well a simulation of her
Do you think Saint 14 is a top or bottom 😂?
That Osiris DLC is playing off greatly year ago
I really really dislikes the failsafe dialog this season. She never annoyed me before now, but the changes they made to her really make her unbearable.
Seems all the self insert alphabet couples in Destiny are always having issues, based love it
I don’t care because I have a 12 lose streak in trials 😡
Okay let's just say it already. The conductor is such a lame name for a bad guy 😂
Echos we just get more time gate bullshit so amazing God I hate this