I’m still trying to figure this out. What’s truth and what’s not. What I heard was that Jonathan and his wife got very upset because when Marcus died Jonathan expected to take over the running of Daystar in his father’s stead, because Marcus had always told him it would be turned over to him some day. I’m sure Marcus was thinking more along the lines of when he and Joni retired. But that’s not what happened. Marcus died and left his part in Daystar to Joni. So Jonathan was upset that Joni was going up run it instead of him, and she was trying to make it clear that she was boss and he would have to submit to her on that. She was not stepping aside. Jonathan and his wife didn’t want to submit to Joni in the running of Daystar because Jonathan wanted to step into Marcus’ shoes, as he had always expected to do, so there was the big split. Joni married Doug and wants him by her side at Daystar, so this didn’t sit well with Jonathan and Suzy either. As far as there bring biblical grounds for Dr. Doug and Joni to marry, they both have made statements that they do have biblical grounds. Now from the cryptic information I found on the internet about Dr. Doug’s ex-wife, I tend to believe they are telling the truth. Jimmy Evans apparently believes they do as well. Does any of this sound correct?
As I understand it, Marcus had (supposedly) planned on Jonathan taking over in the event of his passing, but after Jonathan and Suzy caused a rift within the family and Daystar with their sexua1 4buse allegations, Marcus changed the plan in August of 2021 and made Joni the designated successor. A few months later he passed away and Joni assumed control. Jonathan was probably unhappy with that arrangement but did his best to abide by his dad's decision. Then when Joni and Doug got together (I don't know if they were engaged yet or not) all three of her kids and their spouses voiced their disagreement with the relationship, seeing as how Doug didn't have biblical grounds for divorce. Eventually the other four relented and got behind Joni's marriage, but Jonathan and Suzy refused to publicly approve. Joni has stated at times that Jonathan is just upset because she ended up running Daystar instead of him, but on other occasions she has acknowledged that Jonathan and Suzy have reservations about the marriage based on their convictions from Scripture. As I pointed out in this video, the claims that Doug's divorce was biblically justified are dubious at best. At any rate, they eventually discovered that the investigation into the sexua1 4buse allegations was dropped, contrary to what they had been told about "Pete" being cleared of any wrongdoing. At that point Jonathan started recording interactions with Daystar personnel because he realized that he was in an organization that was out of control, and he might need the evidence if things came to a head. At a certain point Jonathan and Suzy's refusal to acknowledge the marriage on air became an issue, and that's when the confrontation with Jimmy Evans occurred. At that point he and Suzy were both taken off the air. On another occasion a board member named Tom Calendar told him to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement). When he refused, he was demoted from VP of Daystar to a worker in the Daystar cafe. Then in August of this year Jonathan took all of his evidence to the police and journalists like Julie Roys. When Daystar's leadership found out about this a couple of weeks ago they terminated both of them, and that's when they did their first video directly addressing the situation. I might have a few details wrong but that's the best summary I can provide at this time. I have it on good authority that a lot more will be coming out over the next couple of months.
Believers seem to overlook the fiduciary responsibility that executives at Daystar need to fulfil. Jonathan Lamb was a board member and the legal responsibilities applies to him. The discernment over what scripture says applies to leading a church is therefore misdirected because Daystar is a non-profit business not a church. The manipulation exerted on Jonathan by Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans in the recorded meeting is disturbing because it shows their disregard for the law and the office that Jonathan held. He was right to resist, a board is not so constituted just to always be yes-men to the company president.
Not to be Rudd l dont care about Jonathan and Suzy but what about the small girl is that also biblical rape yes biblical but a small child not biblical
@@dajw7540 Daystar is distorting the timeline, this thing runs very deep. Daystar helped me keep sane during the Pandemic, but I saw Robert Morris who was my favorite come unhinged although I had no idea it was that awful. I saw other pastors losing it too and saying wrong things. I saw the little girl withdraw. Doug gave me the creeps before Joni married him. My tv went out after they got married and I still haven't replaced it. I was so shocked that Marcus' affair was 7 years, that is something for his position or maybe not.
What a shitshow! It would have been more understanding for diuchbag Doug to call it like it is! Sorry guys! I fell in love w Joni and don’t want my current wife so I’m moving into Daystar ! That I could understand! Forgo biblical teachings better or worse !! They lied about justifying Doug reasons !! Daystar is a told shitshow!!
Recording a private conversation allows the recording person to "talk sweet" while the unknown persons being recorded don't have that advantage. I think recording Joni and Jimmy without their knowledge is DIRTY and shows no respect to Joni and Jimmy. Would YOU like your private conversations with close family recorded?????
@@JudyCannon-sp7sc Yes, if I didn't have anything to hide, no problem recording! But when you have done things in the dark, it is sure to come to the light, God says so. This is God bringing it to the light!
Why is it sooooo important for Jonathan & Suzy to read something about Doug!! Joni why don’t you read it! Bullying and forcing someone to read something they aren’t led to do is simply wrong. Oh my goodness. You read it Joni !!
@@cherylbonham4813 that’s what I’m thinking who cares who’s president or saving face nothing is more important than your family but money is the god of this world!!!
Money comes between family members all the time. There is nothing new here. This is just on such a much larger scale. Come to think of it, spiritual abuse for the sake of protecting money is not new either. It is right the young couple has been so forthright and refusing to stand down where their child is concerned. It looks like this vehicle God will use to overturn the tables, expose longstanding wrong agendas and He will decide what happens to Daystar.
@@restoration87well nothing is more important than obeying GOD and what He says first. Next is family. If you do #1, God will take care of family. Each person has a choice and sometimes one has to choose. This couple chose wisely. I pray Joni will lay down her pride and do a big turn around.
I believe. Doug divorced his wife. For one thing only to get married to Joni. He saw money over there and fame. So that all … they all will be accountable before the Lord their ministry will fall to the ground so is Jimmy Evans. The Lord sees it all good luck. People
@@gsssprocket Allow me to weigh in. Especially to our brethren who constantly are being told "judge not" and not to "touch God's anointed", or are being accused of being divisive. 1 Corinthians 5:12-13 "For what business do we have to judge those outside the church? Are we not supposed to judge those INSIDE the church? God will judge those outside the church, so put the wicked man away from you" Not only are we required to judge those among us in error, but also instructed to expel them from our midst should they persist in error. 2 John 10-11, even more profound says:" if there come unto you any and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house and neither bid him godspeed when he departs from you, for he that biddeth him godspeed, is a partaker in his evil" This is what scripture says regarding false prophets and teachers. Daystar is riddled with false teaching and prophets. Furthermore it is a money making business not a Ministry!
Jimmy is not a part of Darkstar.... Never was. Joni needed Jimmy because Jimmy counseled Doug and Joni in their year Long courtship...Jimmy validated Joni's feelings and behaviors. But Jimmy was never an employee of Darkstar.
What's astonishing to me is the fact that after Johnathon said, "I need to pray about it and give you a reply in 24 hours" Joni and Jimmy both immediately, repeatedly said, "that's a no"??? Wow, Johnathan and Suzie should both pray about it and submit to God! Which is exactly what they did! God bless them!
I know!it was astonishing to me too! Won’t even agree to praying! I thought that was what they should support?And then they said Jonathan was spiritualising everything by asking to pray? I almost vomited ! That was rich coming from Jimmy and Joni! They should step down! Not saying they can’t be redeemed but for now they should resign and get their own lives back together with God! Praying for them all🙏🏼🙏🏼
The one showing a Jezebel spirit is Joni, not her son & daughter-in-law. Joni is saying do what I say like I’m the voice of God, what you or anyone else thinks doesn’t matter just my opinion, I’m in charge, etc. Joni has no concern that Jonathan first feels no conviction in the LORD, only that she is blindly obeyed. Joni has demonstrated she lacks the spiritual discernment and maturity of judgment by making a chain of disastrous decisions that have called her own character into question, and wreaked havoc in her family and ministry/business. Now she’s demanding her folly be vindicated by her family and that anyone who feels constraints because of the word of God will “catch hell.” This is Jezebel.
@@BugzAdkins He absolutely does not need to submit to his employer. I had to stand up to my employer several times when they were going to do something illegal or unethical. It protected not only me, but them and their business! When it’s a Christian ministry, you have to stand up to your employer if they are breaking state laws *or* God’s law. Every employee / Christian has this responsibility.
It's so heartbreaking to know that Joni speaks about how her son and daughter in law's behavior is the problem when the problem is her grandaughter (a child ) was SA's allegedly and the parent's caught the man in her room and she was not clothed. Where is the concern for her grandaughter's welfare? The love of money and power corrupts. The truth will come out eventually.
I can understand how you wouldn’t know if SA is going on in a family or company. You’re not responsible for someone’s behavior. But when you find out and don’t immediately remove the person, then it becomes your responsibility. To think Jonathan and Suzy are out of Daystar because of disagreements about the marriage and the predator is still allowed to be at Daystar is baffling.
When Jimmy got on Daystar and said Doug had grounds to divorce and Joni could marry him, we all knew it was a lie and he had just compromised his testimony. You cannot mock God and get away with it.
If Joni is willing to lose her son and daughter in law and children, over such a vain and manipulative stunt and do such emotional and spiritual damage to them, over such a ridiculous thing, then that exposes the depths of her heart to everyone. PS. If it’s not such a big deal to her, to force someone to read something they are spiritually not in agreement with, then I guess she wouldn’t have a problem if we write in a bunch of amazing comments about Suzy (Who she’s accusing as having her son by his b*lls) and she can read them on the air herself? I mean, she might not agree but you know, read them anyway Joni. Oh, and maybe stop blocking comments from people on her video posts that she doesn’t agree with.
Joni and douch bag Doug were so desperate to get viewers approved for adulterous behavior that they disowned her Son,DIL and her family just back fired and exposed how evil they and Jimmy are! Joni Dayshit show lied @ god speaking to you! God hates liars, adulterers and thieves!!
The issue here is that Joni is obsessed with Doug, she's willing to destroy her relationship with her son/daughter in law. If Jonathan & Suzy can't read a comment about Doug, why not get someone to read it? Is Doug so worth the trouble? Someone who by the way appears like a cheap car sales man and a fraud. Can't believe Joni married that man, she could have remarried any other man, not Doug! He's a schemer with the way everything played out the way he left his marriage.
That was intimidating! I have been in a similar situation & felt Jonathan was being bullied! You don't bully someone into submission... Jonathan has a wife that he needed to discuss matters with & time with the Lord! Jonathan you be the man God has called you to be, God will make a way for you! Blessings❤
You leave your parents and Cleve on to your spouse. You don’t have to submit to someone who is completely out of line and not doing things in your best interest. Walk away. In fact, RUN.
WANTED THAT FAT PAY CHESK TOO MUCH AND TRYING TO BE A STAR! WANTED TO BE 1ST LADY OF DAY STAR AND KICK JONI OUT, AFTER 40 YEARS HARD WORK SHE COBTINUES TO DO!1= SUZI Q WANTED TO RUN THE SHOW!!
Agree 💯. He was also telling Jonathan that he had to decide right then and there that he would accept Doug or leave acting like he has so much authority
@ yes I noticed this too… Clearly he has a lot of authority in that ministry. I wonder why? Like he wasn’t even on the board. Why was he giving Jonathon ultimatums? The whole situation smells. But there is clearly some spiritual abuse going on there.
Joni: "I found out how bad the church treats divorced people". - Jesus: "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: .." - I found out how bad the church treats the Word of God.
CORRECT! THEY SIMPLY EITHER DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS OR TRY TWISTING HIS WORDS WITH SCRIPTURES FROM PAUL! AND IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE ANYTHING BETWEEN PAUL AND JESUS, I'LL STICK WITH JESUS NOT THE GUY WHO CALLED HIMSELF THE WORSE SINNER OF ALL!!
Amen ! I divorced my husband due to abuse and mental illness on all levels and it was heartbreaking , I was released from that marriage but I KNEW I would need to remain a single woman the rest of my life . We can’t change the word of God to fit our desires He still alive so I either remarry him (never) or I’m free when he dies … the word of God is super clear
I will never listen to Daystar or Jimmy Evans again. They were both completely manipulative not just in this conversation but it's clear that Joni has manipulated her son and his wife throughout their marriage. She's absolutely an adulterous affair. Jimmy Evans is complicit in that as well. Christians do not mistreat people who are divorced but people who get divorced to marry other people are usually frowned upon.
Agree divorce is a tragedy albeit often a sinful affair on both sides. Pharisees allowed divorce for comical reasons, even a burned meal. So when they tested Jesus he took an extremely hardline position for that day that its only for the reason of adultery. With abuse you should clearly get out and safeguard yourself & children but agree with Rob that divorce isn’t as plain there. The issue of remarriage is seperate - we have clear scriptural guidance on this
It is still not an unpardonable sin so the church should stop frowning so heavily. Counsel against it, yes. But sometimes what's done is done and you can't unspill the glass of milk. Last I checked only one sin was unpardonable and remarriage wasn't it. And we should all thank God for His mercy and grace, for ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT. That being said, I am by no means justifying the wrong actions committed in this situation. But neither am I praying against them or for their fall, but rather that God's mercy, grace, healing, and restoration may have its perfect work and He may get all the glory.
@@selenahayes7244Paul taught not to have fellowship with a believer who practices sin, choosing to disobey GOD and remarry is an ongoing sin they need to repent
@@selenahayes7244graceful and godly character spotted. Restoration of the believer is priority than judgement. We oughta be merciful and quick to restore people to God than to throw them off. Joni needs counselling and prayers. She also needs some she time with the Lord, Jesus loves her too. If there's adultery involved, she has to repent, cut off the relationship and turn to the Lord. God is so merciful and will abundantly pardon.
@Bob31415 we do not know how God is preparing Jonathan for the journey ahead that is a walk between God & Jonathan. God builds integrity & will reveal Truth it is already happening. Thank you Lord for exposing false teachers for the kingdom of God Amen 🙏
@@donnadallariva8377I agree. Jonathan was taught a lot of beliefs that he has to undo with the grace of God. So many don't understand what that's like. He was in a bubble living and working in this his entire life. Under these teachings his entire life. What I see is someone who is taking a stand for convictions and possibly for the first time standing and won't back down (all while trying to still be respectful to his mom). When you're standing firm against someone who never expected you to, it will look like disrespect in their eyes.
In My Opinion, Jonathan is the best one to be President of DayStar! Just his speaking eloquently and his knowledge of what sayeth The Lord God Almighty shows me he trust in God and he desires to follow what God says; Suzy also. I pray for God's Will to be done in this situation, in Yeshua Jesus Christ of Nazareth Name, All Glory to God, Amen.
The main thing that we need to remember, is the SA cover up!!!! The Lying and deception that Marcus and Joni hid and continued to support Joshua Brown in his sin!!! It is important to keep this at the forefront and not confuse why Suzy and Jonathan finally broke their silence!!!!
Huge cover up by Marcus, Joni, Dr Doug- the sex therapist, Rachael Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss--her husband, Jimmy Evans, other daystar board member (daystar had only three board members), Others who worked at daystar. APPALLING CRIMINALS!
@@A-Grammie-On-the-ROCK Be careful, none of us were there. If it is true then they can settle this once and for all but if the wrong person is getting accused, his whole life is ruined. I choose to pray for everyone involved. So many people on here are rushing to judgment and don't know all the facts! I take SA seriously because it happened to me but I chose to forgive.
Thank you for your healthy, Biblical perspective on this mess at Daystar. While it's sad to hear and see this all play out, it is also encouraging to know that God is cleaning out His church. HIS justice will prevail even though it is difficult to watch. God bless you as you continue to give Godly perspectives.
It seems to me that Joni knew that her marriage would to Doug was unbiblical, and she was trying to justify it to everyone else and she needed to justify it to the world. And if she knew if her son couldn't get on board the world wouldn't either. So she was gonna manipulate her son.
True. There was a public outcry when she aired the engagement show where Jimmy Evans threw Lisa, (fake doctor Doug's wife) under the bus. They eventually pulled that episode bc it was such a disgrace. Joni had many warnings before she married the fake doctor. Tragic. 😢
None of this sits right with me. May GOD bless Jonathan and Suzy and their beloved children. I totally belief Jonathan. He is a man of sincere conviction.
DW filed for divorce 2 mos after MLs funeral. I believe D he saw $$ Allegedlly Denise Boggs knew him & counseled him & his wife. She wrote Jonathon & Suzy a letter about DW being a wolf in sheeps clothing 😢 I've listened to the taped video and a lot of videos. I support Jonathon & Suzy❤ I'm oraying for all involved. Especially their daughter 😢 & brother in law Thank you
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it. - Matthew 10:34-39 While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.” But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.” - Matthew 12:46-50
Joni is so sickening the way she is pacific ing this adulturious marriage ...As for Jimmy Evans he is bound for hell for encouraging sin and error ...he is a narcissist and is a shame how he and Joni is manuplating Jonathan to force him to go against God/holy spirit in Jonathan...both Jimmy and Joni should be ashamed of themselves
This is the best video on You Tube regarding one of the main issues in the Daystar debacle. The Canadian Daystar broadcaster who withdrew from Daystar is the second. Rod you hit it out of the park by taking a deep dive into this issue that was brushed over by Joni, Doug and Jimmy. You brought mostly scripture and wisdom to the situation. I'm going to share this when I can with hopes of it going viral. Now may the other issues continued to being investigated with scripture and wisdom as this one has been in this videol.
The Charismatic Movement has been injected into the church like a poison. Nothing good will ever come from it. There are no prophets today. The apostles were the twelve sent out by our Lord, not some babbling charlatan on cable television. They do not receive any word of knowledge from God. They twist God’s holy scriptures to justify their own lust and greed. If you have been taken in and addicted to their deception, please turn off you tv and find a local church or ministry. It might be a food bank or crisis center. They need volunteers. No need to give them your grocery money. God will bless you.
Scripture says nothing about a Jezebel spirit. It calls a woman Jezebel in Revelation because she was causing sexual immorality at the church. Joni doesn't demonstrate that sin as far as encouraging sexual impurities.
Joni and Jimmy Evans should be ashamed of their actions!If indeed they are saved, they can’t possibly have peace with God! Are they forgetting who they represent? Power and position have clouded their minds into trying to justify their actions. We all need to pray that they will repent before this goes any further!
I can’t believe the way Joni and Evans bully these two. Where is respect and honor? I don’t think God is happy with them. Age doesn’t exempt us from respecting younger people.
Watch the video how one board member tries to scare Jonathan to sign a NDA form, all of the recordings are on the Roy Report channel. My heart hurts for Jonathan and Suzy and the children.
What a disgusting display of spiritual abuse and abuse of “authority”- self-serving and manipulative. But after decades of propping up Joni and Jimmy, and others who claim to be “the voice of God” on Daystar, we can’t be surprised as a body that they act like this. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely-especially those who traffic in things spiritual and fully believe that they speak for God. Let’s beware of them.
I agree, but I know older "good" godly Christian people who have treated abuse of their own child because back then, it was not talked about. They thought spotlighting the situation would cause more harm. I don't agree, but those people while wrong were not evil.
I researched all of this decades ago when I was a singles ministry leader, everything you said here is correct and true. MAN, wants to bend or add to the scriptures to benefit themselves...they dont have God in mind. Thank you for clarifying....
Doug the sex therapist threw her under the bus maligning her in public. Joni's end will be terrible and what a horrible example to her daughters. The older one is already sweeping her hubby's dark deeds under the rug than she turns on the victims, her little niece & sister-in-law, Suzy.
You should listen to all the video's circulating on TH-cam as they will inform you about Jimmy Evans who exerted spiritual abuse on Johnathan telling him that Joni is the voice of God and he had to submit to her control. Shocking and despicable 😮
This is it! They are relying on what they think is direct revelation they are getting from God. This is not how we are to make decisions as Christians. We are to be lead by the Word of God. So scary that they are putting this out to the world and leading others astray. They are not hearing this from God. Test the spirits. This is what their flesh wanted and they justified it by saying “God approved” like they are some exception to scripture.
Thank you for starting to speak about Jimmy. He needs to be called out as well. The spiritual abuse that spews out of that horrible man’s mouth is outrageous. His wife is such a sweet, precious woman, but I’m sure he spiritually abuses her as well. And has her mentally convinced that he’s right about everything
I heard Jimmy say years ago (before I knew his character) that in the early years of his marriage he was a bully to his wife. Hate to break it to you jerk, you're STILL a bully
I read one of his books a long time ago. In it he talks about his newlywed daughter and how her sex drive was not keeping up with her husbands. His solution, he prayed of his daughter to increase her sex drive.
@@julieshaw1452 I think my comment may have been deleted about Jimmy Evan's daughter. I'm not sure. I'm a 67-year-old women, kind off new to this stuff. I'm not sure whose videos I commented on and whose I didn't. Anyway, I just wanted to say that what I said in my comment was true and if anyone wanted me to research it, I would. Just let me know. Seeking the truth as many of us are. God Bless!!
What a MANIPULATIVE Woman Joni Lamb is? This Woman is Playing on Jonathan's Emotions, Joni Knows Jonathan is An OBEDIENT Son, She Knew that EVER SINCE Jonathan was a Child and into Adult, She is Playing on That. She is ABUSING That Childlike Trust in Jonathan, Pushing Down Her Opinion in his Throat, And Won't Even Give Jonathan Time to Swallow What She Said. This Is SPIRITUAL ABUSED In Every Sense of The Word. Joni You Will be PUNISHED For Taking Advantage of Jonathan OBEDIENCE. Joni, You are BULLYING Jonathan to OBEY You, That is Not God like, And You are NOT The Voice of God, The Voice of God is CHRIST/ The HOLY SPIRIT, Which Lives in Us. The Voice of God is in Jonathan ALSO.
And the fact that Joni use the word sh*and by the balls so inappropriate for a Christian to talk that way, especially one so-called in authority and the head of a Christian ministry
My sister suffered serious physical abuse. He threatened to kill her by putting a firearm to her head and also threatened to kill my parents. She still carries this damage to this day. Her pastor told her then that she did not have a marriage which I agree with. My sister is still a divorcee today. God would not want you to stay in such a union where you are battered regularly.
Yes, you can leave your husband but you are to remain single or else be reconciled to your husband. You still belong to him until he dies. If you marry someone else before he dies you are an 'adulteress'. Leaving for safety is understandable but you are not allowed to remarry while your original husband is still alive. Husbands are not to divorce their wives (except for pornea which is any kind of sexual immorality). Did Lisa commit pornea? If not, then Doug does not have a biblically acceptable reason for divorcing her.
Lisa is a very godly woman. They may have had serious relationship issues, which is a little odd considering their profession, but she is a very quiet, gentle woman and no abuser.
This is true, but Joni forgave him and I tend to think the incentive was their business/ministry. Joni was a widow & free to remarry, although dating within a couple months of a spouse’s death is highly questionable. Doug did not have biblical grounds for divorce to his wife of 30 years.
Interesting as to why Joni and Doug’s new union, needed to be stroked by the reading of a viewers positive comment. Why would this be such a breaking point?
@@seanm2216 Exactly! Joni wanted to portray an IMAGE of a nice warm Daystar family. I actually heard both Rebecca and her husband JW read those comment cards. I actually cringed while watching. And this was before this mess broke. It was like I could see right through it, even then.
A billion $$ empire built on swindling gullible messedup churchians-- once I was such than the Lord opened my eyes back about 7-8 yrs ago. I feel like sueing for my money back!!!
I went to a strong arm church, it nearly killed me. I finally got the courage to leave. I was berated, lied about, abandoned, left behind, bent and broken, even ‘cursed’. I’ve recovered somewhat, but will never allow to happen to me again. I feel for Jonathan and Suzy.
I was always a bit suspicious regarding Evans though I did think he was a solid Bible teacher. However, the constant marketing of his books and hosting his sometimes wacky guests on his shows, I started questioning his motives more closely. His involvement with DAYSTAR confirmed he's just another greedy, egotistical false teacher who is in it for the money and his ego. The Lord and the apostle Paul warned us about these wolves! I praise the Almighty for His refining and punishing rod!
It's so anti-christian to forcibly put a tracker in someone's car - relative or not - & to force them to submit to you as if you are a prison officer & they are your prisoners.... MAFIA style more like
NOT ALL CHRISTIANS DO SIR BUT THE CARNEL churchians do! I was horribly abused by my husband so my pastors adviced me to get a Legal Separation & Restraining Order & Counseling. I live in Cali. My now EX filed for divorce & left his mistress and went to India, got married to a younger woman. I never married again, raised four children, counseled many couples to work out thier differences and still stand by one man to one woman marriage till death do us part. My ex husband were SIKHS when we were married but 4 yrs later I came to saving faith in Christ. He had adultress affairs, beat me mercilessly at least 1x week, hurled verbally abuses demeaning me, abused my family, and took everything I earned working 10-12 hours a day. He was demon possessed, still is but thankfully he moved to Washington state so I and my children were able to live & heal & thrive. All glory to Yeshuah Hashem.
I believe Joni too was determined to marry Doug. I believe they both had feelings for each other several yrs. She knew it was wrong that's why she acted harshly to her son.
No the fake doctor wasn't at the hospital but he did RUSH from Colorado to the Texas funeral so he could be the 1st in line to lay eyes on Marcus' dead body. Seems he saw the dead body and immediately hatched his plan to put away Lisa and seduce Joni-- all the while telling his clients that he was happily married.
Wow….Rod you brought up a lot of good points that I had not considered in this drama and it was grounded with the Word and balanced. Thank you for shedding the light on truths and even on the untruths these leaders were propagating I’m sure it is heart wrenching to others, as it is for me, to see this family, this ministry and this Christian television network in crisis with the nation and Christian community watching. Father God, in Your great mercy, we loose Your hand into this situation and say Let Your will be done. We know You desire restoration, healing and love, but You also desire obedience and submission from the very top, down to the very bottom. Have mercy on the Lamb family, in Jesus mighty name, Amen.
@JudyCannon-sp7sc That's not absolute...Joni committed obstruction of justice when she demanded Susie bring her daughter to her. After the one on one conversation took place, the child shut down. This case is being investigated, and NO boss can commit a crime.
His ex wife is a class act. She could have come out to defend her self and has decided to stay silent despite ppl thinking she is the reason for the divorce
A narcissist, Doug is a wolf in sheep's clothing as according to the counsellor that counselled Doug and ex wife, theres hardly anything about her because they have silenced her and I bet in his divorce he would have written up something against talking about him would lead to defamation
I’m disappointed in Evans that he has allowed himself to become Joni’s yes man. She pulls him in these meetings to be her heavy, but she is the one with the power, position, and money, and he obviously says only what she instructed him to.
The weird thing was that Joni was parroting Evan's in that meeting. Maybe Evans is manipulating Joni (they are using each other for sure) to save his own hind end in regards to giving her marriage to Doug a green light. Evan's was really nasty (like the devil) in that meeting
No adultery in Doug Weiss's marriage?The way I read scripture on this subject that is the major reason to leave a marriage.Jonie had been cheated on by Marcus Lamb, and I think that's why she was susceptible to Doug's advances. Betrayal by a husband puts a wife in a vulnerable place in her heart. Doug being a sex therapist gave him an edge in going after a vulnerable woman. Jonie, I think, is not in love but "in lust". That may sound harsh, but it's a very real thing. It could take her years to get over these feelings as they can be very strong and can be very deceiving.
Failure so many times going back to Oral Roberts and son Richard to divorced his wife Patti (Read her book and account of what was REALLY GOING ON!) And of course there's Jim and Tammy and their two kids. Each of them divorcing and remarrying with TAMMY MARRYING JIM'S BEST FRIEND!! DISGUSTING!!
People seem to trust them look what happened to him, Jimmy Baker, and Jimmy Swaggers. I could actually name 20 people right now. What’s crazy about tithing is you don’t know who to trust that’s the problem right there. Who can we trust to give our money to? Right
I dont understand why people, including ministers, especially and unfortunatelly, keep mixing up the two subjects Jesus talked about when he spoke about divorce. It says that a person can only divorce due to sexual impuriry, however, He also states very clearly that whomever remarries that woman or man commits adultery also!! Why? Because God also said, whomever God has united man cannot separate. It's a spiritual union. Divorse only deals with the physical separation of two married people, not the spiritual bond created by the choice to marry and the sexual union of those two married people. Divorsed Christian people have to stay single, otherwise, they commit adultery, no matter the reason for their divorse. It's very clear!!!
@joannwilliams9973 yes *1Cor 7:39 -"A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord." *Romans 7:2- "For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage."
Thats exactly what I said. Why couldnt Joni have someone else read the comments or just have them appear on the screen while going to commercial break? We know why. It was all about control.
Anyone can throw out the accusation of "abuse" in a marriage and justify leaving for any reason. I was a faithful husband and never touched my wife, but her friends told her i was abusing her by saying she was wearing inappropriate clothes and acting selfish. So she left me and took the kids. She later admitted she was wrong and apologized and greatly regretted the damage she did to me and our kids.
At least she came back to her senses. I so worry for the people who watch these folks on TV, tel-a-vision, and believe man's word over God's Word. I have a senior family member who loves Daystar and thinks this is Joni's time to be happy since Marcus had an affair. She is in her 80's and still living on her own but her concept of the Bible 20 yrs ago to today are very different. I find it very concerning and try to tell her that some of these ppl are false prophets.
Just because there is a grounds for divorce doesn't mean you can remarry. The Bible is very clear on adultery and they are risking their eternal salvation for immature lust and desire. Its sad.
I like Rod's presentation on this. Very articulate, clear, and orderly. He also has a smooth voice that flows effortlessly. God bless you and your gifting. You also clearly gave biblical explanations of some of the facts and grey areas. The scriptures in 1Cor 8:7-13 immediately came to my mind when I listened to the released tape by Jonathan. Joni and Jimmy were forcing Jonathan and Suzy to affirm Joni's marriage and forcing them to read comments endorsing it even though they kept saying it was against their conviction and conscience. The Bible says anything done without their own faith but merely on someone else's conviction is sin - Roms 14:23. They didn't need to force this aspect down their throat and difference between a secular business and a spiritual one aka ministry is that God and His Word is involved and should be the centre and heart of everything that goes on there. It's a pity this couldn't have been resolved internally. Another christian scandal😢
There is no permission to divorce and remarry. Only permission to divorce. This is keeping with the scriptures from Jesus and the exhortation from Paul. Everything else is looking for a loophole. I think it is pretty clear and no gray areas. What I find really interesting is that Joni thinking that the case for adultry only divorce was her beliefs until now but gets upset with her children because of their beliefs of adultry only. I would say if someone is in abuse to leave, but still would not advocate divorce. If you do divorce, you must remain unmarried. Is remaining unmarried such a bad thing? I don’t understand. Singleness is not a death sentence.
MY wife committed adultery and ended a 17 year marriage and remarried. I did everything to try to save the marriage to no avail. THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO and although it looks like I have the right to remarry I have NOT done so as I made a commitment to honor THAT MARRIAGE WITH "TILL DEATH DO US PART"!
Amen, and well said. I was so angered & revulsed by hearing the recording that I just wanted Joni to step down and hand the reins to Jonathan. She’s tarnished herself so, it’s just the right thing to do. But your point is the most important, for all believers need to seek the forgiveness and leading of the LORD.
Thank you for explaining this. I am not a daystar viewer but I have caught joni's show a handful of times. You have cleared up a few questions I had. God Bless.
Rod, great video as always. I see this one popped big time. That is awesome and I hope a lot of new viewers who watch this video will go and explore your other videos and find out how solid a Bible teacher you are. You are a blessing. Keep up the good work.
I’m still trying to figure this out. What’s truth and what’s not. What I heard was that Jonathan and his wife got very upset because when Marcus died Jonathan expected to take over the running of Daystar in his father’s stead, because Marcus had always told him it would be turned over to him some day. I’m sure Marcus was thinking more along the lines of when he and Joni retired. But that’s not what happened. Marcus died and left his part in Daystar to Joni. So Jonathan was upset that Joni was going up run it instead of him, and she was trying to make it clear that she was boss and he would have to submit to her on that. She was not stepping aside. Jonathan and his wife didn’t want to submit to Joni in the running of Daystar because Jonathan wanted to step into Marcus’ shoes, as he had always expected to do, so there was the big split. Joni married Doug and wants him by her side at Daystar, so this didn’t sit well with Jonathan and Suzy either. As far as there bring biblical grounds for Dr. Doug and Joni to marry, they both have made statements that they do have biblical grounds. Now from the cryptic information I found on the internet about Dr. Doug’s ex-wife, I tend to believe they are telling the truth. Jimmy Evans apparently believes they do as well. Does any of this sound correct?
As I understand it, Marcus had (supposedly) planned on Jonathan taking over in the event of his passing, but after Jonathan and Suzy caused a rift within the family and Daystar with their sexua1 4buse allegations, Marcus changed the plan in August of 2021 and made Joni the designated successor. A few months later he passed away and Joni assumed control. Jonathan was probably unhappy with that arrangement but did his best to abide by his dad's decision. Then when Joni and Doug got together (I don't know if they were engaged yet or not) all three of her kids and their spouses voiced their disagreement with the relationship, seeing as how Doug didn't have biblical grounds for divorce. Eventually the other four relented and got behind Joni's marriage, but Jonathan and Suzy refused to publicly approve. Joni has stated at times that Jonathan is just upset because she ended up running Daystar instead of him, but on other occasions she has acknowledged that Jonathan and Suzy have reservations about the marriage based on their convictions from Scripture. As I pointed out in this video, the claims that Doug's divorce was biblically justified are dubious at best. At any rate, they eventually discovered that the investigation into the sexua1 4buse allegations was dropped, contrary to what they had been told about "Pete" being cleared of any wrongdoing. At that point Jonathan started recording interactions with Daystar personnel because he realized that he was in an organization that was out of control, and he might need the evidence if things came to a head. At a certain point Jonathan and Suzy's refusal to acknowledge the marriage on air became an issue, and that's when the confrontation with Jimmy Evans occurred. At that point he and Suzy were both taken off the air. On another occasion a board member named Tom Calendar told him to sign an NDA (non-disclosure agreement). When he refused, he was demoted from VP of Daystar to a worker in the Daystar cafe. Then in August of this year Jonathan took all of his evidence to the police and journalists like Julie Roys. When Daystar's leadership found out about this a couple of weeks ago they terminated both of them, and that's when they did their first video directly addressing the situation. I might have a few details wrong but that's the best summary I can provide at this time. I have it on good authority that a lot more will be coming out over the next couple of months.
Believers seem to overlook the fiduciary responsibility that executives at Daystar need to fulfil. Jonathan Lamb was a board member and the legal responsibilities applies to him.
The discernment over what scripture says applies to leading a church is therefore misdirected because Daystar is a non-profit business not a church.
The manipulation exerted on Jonathan by Joni Lamb and Jimmy Evans in the recorded meeting is disturbing because it shows their disregard for the law and the office that Jonathan held. He was right to resist, a board is not so constituted just to always be yes-men to the company president.
Not to be Rudd l dont care about Jonathan and Suzy but what about the small girl is that also biblical rape yes biblical but a small child not biblical
@@rudolphminnie5455 Indeed, Joni's apparent lack of concern for her granddaughter is disturbing.
@@dajw7540 Daystar is distorting the timeline, this thing runs very deep. Daystar helped me keep sane during the Pandemic, but I saw Robert Morris who was my favorite come unhinged although I had no idea it was that awful. I saw other pastors losing it too and saying wrong things. I saw the little girl withdraw. Doug gave me the creeps before Joni married him. My tv went out after they got married and I still haven't replaced it. I was so shocked that Marcus' affair was 7 years, that is something for his position or maybe not.
BYE DAYSTAR
BYE JIMMY EVANS
What a shitshow! It would have been more understanding for diuchbag Doug to call it like it is! Sorry guys! I fell in love w Joni and don’t want my current wife so I’m moving into Daystar !
That I could understand! Forgo biblical teachings better or worse !! They lied about justifying Doug reasons !!
Daystar is a told shitshow!!
church mafias
Jonathan and Suzy were smart to have recorded the conversation!
Otherwise NO ONE would have believed them. God gives wisdom...
Recording a private conversation allows the recording person to "talk sweet" while the unknown persons being recorded don't have that advantage.
I think recording Joni and Jimmy without their knowledge is DIRTY and shows no respect to Joni and Jimmy.
Would YOU like your private conversations with close family recorded?????
@@JudyCannon-sp7sc
Well, we certainly did see the "real " Joni and Jimmy ...
@@JudyCannon-sp7sc Give me a break!
@@JudyCannon-sp7sc Yes, if I didn't have anything to hide, no problem recording! But when you have done things in the dark, it is sure to come to the light, God says so. This is God bringing it to the light!
THE ONLY ONE ANY CHRISTIAN SHOULD SUBMIT TO IS JESUS CHRIST
And His word -
We are also called to submit to one another.
YES & AMEN TO THAT✝️🌹
submit to someone who is involved in corruption? And hidden sin? @@songofjoy6758
We are to submit to one another in the fear and admonition of the Lord.
Why is it sooooo important for Jonathan & Suzy to read something about Doug!! Joni why don’t you read it! Bullying and forcing someone to read something they aren’t led to do is simply wrong. Oh my goodness. You read it Joni !!
Well said
Whats the big to do with jonathan like you said have joni can read it but she is a monster demon
Wondering if Joni would permit a negative post about Doug to be read?
She wanted to force others to appear to be in agreement with her selfish remarriage .
@SusanRichardsDay
It's an unbiblical marriage.
Spot on assessment 💯
No tv network is worth the loss of relationship with your own son and grandchild. How sad. They should be cherished, loved, and protected.
@@cherylbonham4813 that’s what I’m thinking who cares who’s president or saving face nothing is more important than your family but money is the god of this world!!!
I'm very disappointed in them --
Talking about bullying him poor Jonathan and his wife
Money comes between family members all the time. There is nothing new here. This is just on such a much larger scale. Come to think of it, spiritual abuse for the sake of protecting money is not new either.
It is right the young couple has been so forthright and refusing to stand down where their child is concerned. It looks like this vehicle God will use to overturn the tables, expose longstanding wrong agendas and He will decide what happens to Daystar.
@@restoration87well nothing is more important than obeying GOD and what He says first. Next is family. If you do #1, God will take care of family. Each person has a choice and sometimes one has to choose. This couple chose wisely. I pray Joni will lay down her pride and do a big turn around.
Evans & Lamb have lost all credibility. Both are wolves among the sheep. There is so much more to be exposed.
Bout time
Jimmy Evan’s is a pure opportunist NOT marriage counselor AT ALL?????
You knew these smiley faced bouffant wives of Christian TV were angry when the cameras went off.
They're not wolves, they're SNAKES.
I believe. Doug divorced his wife. For one thing only to get married to Joni. He saw money over there and fame. So that all … they all will be accountable before the Lord their ministry will fall to the ground so is Jimmy Evans. The Lord sees it all good luck. People
Joni and Jimmy Evans need to be removed from Daystar
Daystar is a money making business not a Ministry!
. A business .. Jesus is their product
THROWING STONES WHO MADE U , JUDGE AND JURY
@@gsssprocket Allow me to weigh in. Especially to our brethren who constantly are being told "judge not" and not to "touch God's anointed", or are being accused of being divisive.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 "For what business do we have to judge those outside the church? Are we not supposed to judge those INSIDE the church? God will judge those outside the church, so put the wicked man away from you"
Not only are we required to judge those among us in error, but also instructed to expel them from our midst should they persist in error.
2 John 10-11, even more profound says:" if there come unto you any and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house and neither bid him godspeed when he departs from you, for he that biddeth him godspeed, is a partaker in his evil"
This is what scripture says regarding false prophets and teachers.
Daystar is riddled with false teaching and prophets. Furthermore it is a money making business not a Ministry!
Jimmy is not a part of Darkstar....
Never was.
Joni needed Jimmy because Jimmy counseled Doug and Joni in their year Long courtship...Jimmy validated Joni's feelings and behaviors.
But Jimmy was never an employee of Darkstar.
In the past I respected Jimmy but no more zero.
Never liked him, reminded me of the scripture warning to watch out for conniving slick smoith-talking man who gets into the heads of stupid women
I did too. For a short period but now I gave zip for him
😮
Same here
Same here. He disgusts me!
Stop buying his books, brethren.
Jimmy Evans needs to be investigated with his ministry.
Yes, most certainly! He's a bully
I wonder, what if Doug hadn't got there first? Bullet dodged Mrs Evans?
yes asap
I completely agree.
I agree! Very disappointed in Jimmy Evans.
What's astonishing to me is the fact that after Johnathon said, "I need to pray about it and give you a reply in 24 hours" Joni and Jimmy both immediately, repeatedly said, "that's a no"??? Wow, Johnathan and Suzie should both pray about it and submit to
God! Which is exactly what they did! God bless them!
Amen 🙏🏻✝️💯
I know!it was astonishing to me too!
Won’t even agree to praying! I thought that was what they should support?And then they said Jonathan was spiritualising everything by asking to pray? I almost vomited ! That was rich coming from Jimmy and Joni! They should step down! Not saying they can’t be redeemed but for now they should resign and get their own lives back together with God! Praying for them all🙏🏼🙏🏼
AMEN❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
That was a heavy-handed approach from J+J, with little grace. Not a good look.
Mother and Doug must be out In church . Joni decieve
He no longer has to submit to his mother. Leave and cleave.
If your mom or Dad happen to be your Employer and Boss, does that make a difference in carrying out job related instructions?
He absolutely has to submit, as long as his mother is the CEO. Rebellious behavior is a sin. Remember Jezebel?
The one showing a Jezebel spirit is Joni, not her son & daughter-in-law. Joni is saying do what I say like I’m the voice of God, what you or anyone else thinks doesn’t matter just my opinion, I’m in charge, etc. Joni has no concern that Jonathan first feels no conviction in the LORD, only that she is blindly obeyed. Joni has demonstrated she lacks the spiritual discernment and maturity of judgment by making a chain of disastrous decisions that have called her own character into question, and wreaked havoc in her family and ministry/business. Now she’s demanding her folly be vindicated by her family and that anyone who feels constraints because of the word of God will “catch hell.” This is Jezebel.
@@BugzAdkins He absolutely does not need to submit to his employer. I had to stand up to my employer several times when they were going to do something illegal or unethical. It protected not only me, but them and their business!
When it’s a Christian ministry, you have to stand up to your employer if they are breaking state laws *or* God’s law. Every employee / Christian has this responsibility.
@@BugzAdkins CEO, PRESIDENT & CO- FOUNDER of the Organization.
It's so heartbreaking to know that Joni speaks about how her son and daughter in law's behavior is the problem when the problem is her grandaughter (a child ) was SA's allegedly and the parent's caught the man in her room and she was not clothed. Where is the concern for her grandaughter's welfare? The love of money and power corrupts. The truth will come out eventually.
Exactly
Where is Pete now?
@lulu-qw8xy still working at daystar. At least the world is starting to see the truth of these icky money lovers.
I can understand how you wouldn’t know if SA is going on in a family or company. You’re not responsible for someone’s behavior. But when you find out and don’t immediately remove the person, then it becomes your responsibility. To think Jonathan and Suzy are out of Daystar because of disagreements about the marriage and the predator is still allowed to be at Daystar is baffling.
Thank you for saying what Jonie and Evans have lost sight of. They need to repent and turn back to God!!!
Who is the predator
When Jimmy got on Daystar and said Doug had grounds to divorce and Joni could marry him, we all knew it was a lie and he had just compromised his testimony. You cannot mock God and get away with it.
I agree totally. I knew in my heart that Jimmy Evans true colors would come out!
If Joni is willing to lose her son and daughter in law and children, over such a vain and manipulative stunt and do such emotional and spiritual damage to them, over such a ridiculous thing, then that exposes the depths of her heart to everyone.
PS. If it’s not such a big deal to her, to force someone to read something they are spiritually not in agreement with, then I guess she wouldn’t have a problem if we write in a bunch of amazing comments about Suzy (Who she’s accusing as having her son by his b*lls) and she can read them on the air herself? I mean, she might not agree but you know, read them anyway Joni. Oh, and maybe stop blocking comments from people on her video posts that she doesn’t agree with.
Exactly!
Yes! I sense a double standard going on here!
Joni and douch bag Doug were so desperate to get viewers approved for adulterous behavior that they disowned her
Son,DIL and her family just back fired and exposed how evil they and Jimmy are! Joni
Dayshit show lied @ god speaking to you! God hates liars, adulterers and thieves!!
Everybody should totally do that! 😂😂😂
The issue here is that Joni is obsessed with Doug, she's willing to destroy her relationship with her son/daughter in law. If Jonathan & Suzy can't read a comment about Doug, why not get someone to read it? Is Doug so worth the trouble? Someone who by the way appears like a cheap car sales man and a fraud. Can't believe Joni married that man, she could have remarried any other man, not Doug! He's a schemer with the way everything played out the way he left his marriage.
That was intimidating! I have been in a similar situation & felt Jonathan was being bullied! You don't bully someone into submission... Jonathan has a wife that he needed to discuss matters with & time with the Lord! Jonathan you be the man God has called you to be, God will make a way for you! Blessings❤
I felt exactly the same. Bullying
God is at work cleaning house of all church’s that think they can say an do what their word says not God’s
You leave your parents and Cleve on to your spouse. You don’t have to submit to someone who is completely out of line and not doing things in your best interest. Walk away. In fact, RUN.
WANTED THAT FAT PAY CHESK TOO MUCH AND TRYING TO BE A STAR! WANTED TO BE 1ST LADY OF DAY STAR AND KICK JONI OUT, AFTER 40 YEARS HARD WORK SHE COBTINUES TO DO!1= SUZI Q WANTED TO RUN THE SHOW!!
Jimmy Evan’s will say anything Joni wants him to say. She owns him. Disgusting.
Agree 💯. He was also telling Jonathan that he had to decide right then and there that he would accept Doug or leave acting like he has so much authority
@ yes I noticed this too… Clearly he has a lot of authority in that ministry. I wonder why? Like he wasn’t even on the board. Why was he giving Jonathon ultimatums? The whole situation smells. But there is clearly some spiritual abuse going on there.
@@triciaoldroyd936 Owning stock in the business????
Joni: "I found out how bad the church treats divorced people". - Jesus: "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: .." - I found out how bad the church treats the Word of God.
This is so true❤🙏
CORRECT! THEY SIMPLY EITHER DO NOT BELIEVE JESUS OR TRY TWISTING HIS WORDS WITH SCRIPTURES FROM PAUL! AND IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE ANYTHING BETWEEN PAUL AND JESUS, I'LL STICK WITH JESUS NOT THE GUY WHO CALLED HIMSELF THE WORSE SINNER OF ALL!!
Amen ! I divorced my husband due to abuse and mental illness on all levels and it was heartbreaking , I was released from that marriage but I KNEW I would need to remain a single woman the rest of my life . We can’t change the word of God to fit our desires
He still alive so I either remarry him (never) or I’m free when he dies … the word of God is super clear
Well said!!
If he remarries, are you free to marry? @@restoration87
I will never listen to Daystar or Jimmy Evans again. They were both completely manipulative not just in this conversation but it's clear that Joni has manipulated her son and his wife throughout their marriage. She's absolutely an adulterous affair. Jimmy Evans is complicit in that as well. Christians do not mistreat people who are divorced but people who get divorced to marry other people are usually frowned upon.
ME TOO
Agree divorce is a tragedy albeit often a sinful affair on both sides. Pharisees allowed divorce for comical reasons, even a burned meal. So when they tested Jesus he took an extremely hardline position for that day that its only for the reason of adultery. With abuse you should clearly get out and safeguard yourself & children but agree with Rob that divorce isn’t as plain there.
The issue of remarriage is seperate - we have clear scriptural guidance on this
It is still not an unpardonable sin so the church should stop frowning so heavily. Counsel against it, yes. But sometimes what's done is done and you can't unspill the glass of milk. Last I checked only one sin was unpardonable and remarriage wasn't it. And we should all thank God for His mercy and grace, for ALL HAVE FALLEN SHORT. That being said, I am by no means justifying the wrong actions committed in this situation. But neither am I praying against them or for their fall, but rather that God's mercy, grace, healing, and restoration may have its perfect work and He may get all the glory.
@@selenahayes7244Paul taught not to have fellowship with a believer who practices sin, choosing to disobey GOD and remarry is an ongoing sin they need to repent
@@selenahayes7244graceful and godly character spotted. Restoration of the believer is priority than judgement.
We oughta be merciful and quick to restore people to God than to throw them off.
Joni needs counselling and prayers. She also needs some she time with the Lord, Jesus loves her too.
If there's adultery involved, she has to repent, cut off the relationship and turn to the Lord. God is so merciful and will abundantly pardon.
Spiritual Bullies walking in the FLESH Jonathan showed more spiritual maturity. Jonathan is definitely a man of high Godly Integrity
But he is weak and should have shown courage in the face of the bullies. He is no David against Goliath.
@Bob31415 we do not know how God is preparing Jonathan for the journey ahead that is a walk between God & Jonathan. God builds integrity & will reveal Truth it is already happening. Thank you Lord for exposing false teachers for the kingdom of God Amen 🙏
@@donnadallariva8377I agree. Jonathan was taught a lot of beliefs that he has to undo with the grace of God. So many don't understand what that's like. He was in a bubble living and working in this his entire life. Under these teachings his entire life. What I see is someone who is taking a stand for convictions and possibly for the first time standing and won't back down (all while trying to still be respectful to his mom). When you're standing firm against someone who never expected you to, it will look like disrespect in their eyes.
In My Opinion, Jonathan is the best one to be President of DayStar! Just his speaking eloquently and his knowledge of what sayeth The Lord God Almighty shows me he trust in God and he desires to follow what God says; Suzy also. I pray for God's Will to be done in this situation, in Yeshua Jesus Christ of Nazareth Name, All Glory to God, Amen.
@@Romans109Psalm91I think Jonathan should depart and let the Lord raise him up in a new ministry. Day Star has too much history.
Doug's past marriage counselor when married to Lisa warned Joni not to marry Doug
Source?
Denise Boggs?
WOW!!
It seems so obvious that Doug’s ex-wife was forced to sign an NDA.
She actually said he was a wolf in sheep clothing... is what I heard
I'm an old man and I know this is nothing but bullying, shameful and unhealthy spiritually!
The main thing that we need to remember, is the SA cover up!!!! The Lying and deception that Marcus and Joni hid and continued to support Joshua Brown in his sin!!!
It is important to keep this at the forefront and not confuse why Suzy and Jonathan finally broke their silence!!!!
Huge cover up by Marcus, Joni, Dr Doug- the sex therapist, Rachael Lamb Brown, Rebecca Lamb Weiss--her husband, Jimmy Evans, other daystar board member (daystar had only three board members), Others who worked at daystar. APPALLING CRIMINALS!
How do you believe it was Joshua Brown?
@@Maria-y8u2cbecause it came out of a family members mouth
@@A-Grammie-On-the-ROCK Be careful, none of us were there. If it is true then they can settle this once and for all but if the wrong person is getting accused, his whole life is ruined. I choose to pray for everyone involved. So many people on here are rushing to judgment and don't know all the facts! I take SA seriously because it happened to me but I chose to forgive.
@@olivialewis9921The man was in the child's room naked. I would say that is evidence.
The young couple had every right not to 'pretend' they endorced Joni's marriage.
Thank you for your healthy, Biblical perspective on this mess at Daystar. While it's sad to hear and see this all play out, it is also encouraging to know that God is cleaning out His church. HIS justice will prevail even though it is difficult to watch. God bless you as you continue to give Godly perspectives.
It seems to me that Joni knew that her marriage would to Doug was unbiblical, and she was trying to justify it to everyone else and she needed to justify it to the world. And if she knew if her son couldn't get on board the world wouldn't either. So she was gonna manipulate her son.
True. There was a public outcry when she aired the engagement show where Jimmy Evans threw Lisa, (fake doctor Doug's wife) under the bus. They eventually pulled that episode bc it was such a disgrace. Joni had many warnings before she married the fake doctor. Tragic. 😢
BINGO ‼️She needed him to get on board with her lie and program.
How do you justify to 800k on donations flying back and forth to chase Doug?
I think you misspelled sacrificed
THROWING STONES
None of this sits right with me. May GOD bless Jonathan and Suzy and their beloved children. I totally belief Jonathan. He is a man of sincere conviction.
This is the most thorough and biblical response to this situation. Praying that there is repentance and reconciliation.
DW filed for divorce 2 mos after MLs funeral.
I believe D he saw $$
Allegedlly Denise Boggs knew him & counseled him & his wife. She wrote Jonathon & Suzy a letter about DW being a wolf in sheeps clothing 😢
I've listened to the taped video and a lot of videos.
I support Jonathon & Suzy❤
I'm oraying for all involved.
Especially their daughter 😢 & brother in law
Thank you
$40 million!!
This is Abuse on so many different levels. The Narcism is unbelievable.
Jonathon needs to walk and Start over. Praying for them.
Evil 😈
“Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.
- Matthew 10:34-39
While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him. Someone said to Him, “Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside seeking to speak to You.” But Jesus answered the one who was telling Him and said, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” And stretching out His hand toward His disciples, He said, “Behold My mother and My brothers! For whoever does the will of My Father who is in heaven, he is My brother and sister and mother.”
- Matthew 12:46-50
@@kiimbel1877 truth
@@kimpeterson4846 Family DOES NOT NECESSARILY mean BLOOD relatives!!
@@kiimbel1877 ABSOLUTELY 💯 ❤️ 👌
Joni is so sickening the way she is pacific ing this adulturious marriage ...As for Jimmy Evans he is bound for hell for encouraging sin and error ...he is a narcissist and is a shame how he and Joni is manuplating Jonathan to force him to go against God/holy spirit in Jonathan...both Jimmy and Joni should be ashamed of themselves
This is the best video on You Tube regarding one of the main issues in the Daystar debacle. The Canadian Daystar broadcaster who withdrew from Daystar is the second. Rod you hit it out of the park by taking a deep dive into this issue that was brushed over by Joni, Doug and Jimmy. You brought mostly scripture and wisdom to the situation. I'm going to share this when I can with hopes of it going viral. Now may the other issues continued to being investigated with scripture and wisdom as this one has been in this videol.
It is NOT a christian television station!!!!!!!!!!!
AGREED, ONLY SOME SHOWS ARE ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN, THE REST ARE PROSPERITY GOSPEL, ETC.
I was attacked on another site, not Daystar, for saying I hope Daystar would end because of this and many other egregious actions of theirs.
@@vickybachert8298 Despite there being some good and godly programming on Daystar I would like to see Daystar sink because of the snakes running it.
The Charismatic Movement has been injected into the church like a poison. Nothing good will ever come from it. There are no prophets today. The apostles were the twelve sent out by our Lord, not some babbling charlatan on cable television. They do not receive any word of knowledge from God. They twist God’s holy scriptures to justify their own lust and greed. If you have been taken in and addicted to their deception, please turn off you tv and find a local church or ministry. It might be a food bank or crisis center. They need volunteers. No need to give them your grocery money. God will bless you.
@@Bob31415the good programming will actually do better on the internet. Cable tv is a dying dinosaur.
Its is a trait of the jezebel spirit to dominate. Thats what joni did in that meeting.
Marcus was like Ahab due to his affairs, Doug is the Leviathan like, Jimmy Evans is the python like together they serve Jezebel
Scripture says nothing about a Jezebel spirit. It calls a woman Jezebel in Revelation because she was causing sexual immorality at the church.
Joni doesn't demonstrate that sin as far as encouraging sexual impurities.
Intimidation! Manipulation! Isolation! Controlling! -- Let's see > who does that sound like? Good Vs Evil - God or Satan?
Joni and Jimmy Evans should be ashamed of their actions!If indeed they are saved, they can’t possibly have peace with God! Are they forgetting who they represent? Power and position have clouded their minds into trying to justify their actions. We all need to pray that they will repent before this goes any further!
I can’t believe the way Joni and Evans bully these two. Where is respect and honor? I don’t think God is happy with them. Age doesn’t exempt us from respecting younger people.
Watch the video how one board member tries to scare Jonathan to sign a NDA form, all of the recordings are on the Roy Report channel. My heart hurts for Jonathan and Suzy and the children.
@ Mine too. I am praying for them.
What grandmother would cover up a sexual assault of their granddaughter? She put ministry above safety of women and children!
Money, not ministry!
Listening to the recording was like watching Joni and Jimmy throwing Jonathan and Suzy to the molech fire.
Yes 😈
yes, pretty horrifying. Thankful they are being exposed.
It mad me sick.
Athaliah from IIKings
YES !! 🤮
No mum, Jonathan is not your baby boy anymore, he is a grown up man now
Good comment! 😂
What a disgusting display of spiritual abuse and abuse of “authority”- self-serving and manipulative. But after decades of propping up Joni and Jimmy, and others who claim to be “the voice of God” on Daystar, we can’t be surprised as a body that they act like this. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely-especially those who traffic in things spiritual and fully believe that they speak for God. Let’s beware of them.
I never thought much of jimmy evans. Joni says jonathan can trust her when she covered up the molestation of her own granddaughter?
Right😤🤦♀️
I agree, but I know older "good" godly Christian people who have treated abuse of their own child because back then, it was not talked about. They thought spotlighting the situation would cause more harm. I don't agree, but those people while wrong were not evil.
@@buildinghealthwithvickieNot evil? Covering up the molestation of a child is evil.
I researched all of this decades ago when I was a singles ministry leader, everything you said here is correct and true. MAN, wants to bend or add to the scriptures to benefit themselves...they dont have God in mind. Thank you for clarifying....
I would like to hear the ex wife's side of the divorce.
She probably had to sign a non disclosure agreement.
Me too! That will clear things up real quick.
Doug the sex therapist threw her under the bus maligning her in public. Joni's end will be terrible and what a horrible example to her daughters. The older one is already sweeping her hubby's dark deeds under the rug than she turns on the victims, her little niece & sister-in-law, Suzy.
For money obviously @@paulinetomas1691
As always, excellent video. Thank you for explaining the entire situation. I had no idea who Jimmy Evans was or why Jonathan was intimidated by him.
You should listen to all the video's circulating on TH-cam as they will inform you about Jimmy Evans who exerted spiritual abuse on Johnathan telling him that Joni is the voice of God and he had to submit to her control.
Shocking and despicable 😮
These people should stop telling us what God supposedly told them if IT IS NOT WRITTEN
This is it! They are relying on what they think is direct revelation they are getting from God. This is not how we are to make decisions as Christians. We are to be lead by the Word of God. So scary that they are putting this out to the world and leading others astray. They are not hearing this from God. Test the spirits. This is what their flesh wanted and they justified it by saying “God approved” like they are some exception to scripture.
exactly
AMEN!!!
Yes!
Yes.
Thank you for starting to speak about Jimmy. He needs to be called out as well.
The spiritual abuse that spews out of that horrible man’s mouth is outrageous. His wife is such a sweet, precious woman, but I’m sure he spiritually abuses her as well.
And has her mentally convinced that he’s right about everything
Oh WOW!!!! Didn't know this about Jimmy Evans.
I heard Jimmy say years ago (before I knew his character) that in the early years of his marriage he was a bully to his wife. Hate to break it to you jerk, you're STILL a bully
I read one of his books a long time ago. In it he talks about his newlywed daughter and how her sex drive was not keeping up with her husbands. His solution, he prayed of his daughter to increase her sex drive.
@@LindaHall-o7w Ick😮
@@julieshaw1452 I think my comment may have been deleted about Jimmy Evan's daughter. I'm not sure. I'm a 67-year-old women, kind off new to this stuff. I'm not sure whose videos I commented on and whose I didn't. Anyway, I just wanted to say that what I said in my comment was true and if anyone wanted me to research it, I would. Just let me know. Seeking the truth as many of us are. God Bless!!
What a MANIPULATIVE Woman Joni Lamb is?
This Woman is Playing on Jonathan's Emotions, Joni Knows Jonathan is An OBEDIENT Son, She Knew that EVER SINCE Jonathan was a Child and into Adult, She is Playing on That.
She is ABUSING That Childlike Trust in Jonathan, Pushing Down Her Opinion in his Throat, And Won't Even Give Jonathan Time to Swallow What She Said.
This Is SPIRITUAL ABUSED In Every Sense of The Word.
Joni You Will be PUNISHED For Taking Advantage of Jonathan OBEDIENCE.
Joni, You are BULLYING Jonathan to OBEY You, That is Not God like, And You are NOT The Voice of God, The Voice of God is CHRIST/ The HOLY SPIRIT, Which Lives in Us.
The Voice of God is in Jonathan ALSO.
Well said..God Bless You 🙏😇🙏
Right!
100%
Yes absolute spiritual abuse but also against the law between employer & employee
I never thought about how Joni intimately knows how her son is "wired" and therefore knew how to hurt him. 😢💔
And the fact that Joni use the word sh*and by the balls so inappropriate for a Christian to talk that way, especially one so-called in authority and the head of a Christian ministry
I agree...such a mouth...wow!!!
I agree, I had to replay the *beep* in the audio to see if that sh-word was used. I was surprised.
One of the most toe curling attempts at justifying divorce I have ever seen.
My sister suffered serious physical abuse. He threatened to kill her by putting a firearm to her head and also threatened to kill my parents. She still carries this damage to this day. Her pastor told her then that she did not have a marriage which I agree with. My sister is still a divorcee today. God would not want you to stay in such a union where you are battered regularly.
AMEN
Except there is no proof Doug was in an abusive marriage. Joni only sought counseling from "pastors" who agreed with her agenda.
Yes, you can leave your husband but you are to remain single or else be reconciled to your husband. You still belong to him until he dies. If you marry someone else before he dies you are an 'adulteress'. Leaving for safety is understandable but you are not allowed to remarry while your original husband is still alive. Husbands are not to divorce their wives (except for pornea which is any kind of sexual immorality). Did Lisa commit pornea? If not, then Doug does not have a biblically acceptable reason for divorcing her.
Lisa is a very godly woman. They may have had serious relationship issues, which is a little odd considering their profession, but she is a very quiet, gentle woman and no abuser.
There are many different ways of battering within a marriage
Jonis former husband Marcus was an adulter
This is true, but Joni forgave him and I tend to think the incentive was their business/ministry. Joni was a widow & free to remarry, although dating within a couple months of a spouse’s death is highly questionable. Doug did not have biblical grounds for divorce to his wife of 30 years.
7 years in an affair. Him and Joni were mere business partners💰💵
Marcus Lamb admitted the adultery years ago on t.v. and Joni seems like the type that would hold it against him forever, what more do u want.
Interesting as to why Joni and Doug’s new union, needed to be stroked by the reading of a viewers positive comment.
Why would this be such a breaking point?
Perhaps to justify her sin?
And Dougs..he is the one that divorced his wife with no biblical reason...
Not only that, but why did it need to be Jonathan who had to read it? It seems they were trying to force him to accept it.
@@OnlyJesusSaves37 CORRECT!!
@@seanm2216 Exactly! Joni wanted to portray an IMAGE of a nice warm Daystar family. I actually heard both Rebecca and her husband JW read those comment cards. I actually cringed while watching. And this was before this mess broke. It was like I could see right through it, even then.
Excellent analogy, backed by scripture! This episode should be sent to all parties involved!!!!!!!!
Doug saw the palace of $230 millions
That’s it
A billion $$ empire built on swindling gullible messedup churchians-- once I was such than the Lord opened my eyes back about 7-8 yrs ago. I feel like sueing for my money back!!!
So glad to see real men of God standing up for God and the truth! Let's see who else steps up for God.
👏
Who throws your Family away for man !
Joni
Jony has sacrificed her family for a lover 😢😢😢😢😢
Joni
Lust
Someone who didn’t want to give up her position to her son!
I went to a strong arm church, it nearly killed me. I finally got the courage to leave. I was berated, lied about, abandoned, left behind, bent and broken, even ‘cursed’.
I’ve recovered somewhat, but will never allow to happen to me again.
I feel for Jonathan and Suzy.
Same here - this stuff is just plain evil.
I was always a bit suspicious regarding Evans though I did think he was a solid Bible teacher. However, the constant marketing of his books and hosting his sometimes wacky guests on his shows, I started questioning his motives more closely. His involvement with DAYSTAR confirmed he's just another greedy, egotistical false teacher who is in it for the money and his ego. The Lord and the apostle Paul warned us about these wolves! I praise the Almighty for His refining and punishing rod!
Jimmy also charges for more in-depth endtimes teaching on his YT channel.
Amen!
It's so anti-christian to forcibly put a tracker in someone's car - relative or not - & to force them to submit to you as if you are a prison officer & they are your prisoners.... MAFIA style more like
Right!
HEAR SAY
NOT ALL CHRISTIANS DO SIR BUT THE CARNEL churchians do! I was horribly abused by my husband so my pastors adviced me to get a Legal Separation & Restraining Order & Counseling. I live in Cali. My now EX filed for divorce & left his mistress and went to India, got married to a younger woman. I never married again, raised four children, counseled many couples to work out thier differences and still stand by one man to one woman marriage till death do us part. My ex husband were SIKHS when we were married but 4 yrs later I came to saving faith in Christ. He had adultress affairs, beat me mercilessly at least 1x week, hurled verbally abuses demeaning me, abused my family, and took everything I earned working 10-12 hours a day. He was demon possessed, still is but thankfully he moved to Washington state so I and my children were able to live & heal & thrive. All glory to Yeshuah Hashem.
I believe Joni too was determined to marry Doug. I believe they both had feelings for each other several yrs. She knew it was wrong that's why she acted harshly to her son.
Also because there was a public outcry when they crushed Doug's wife during their engagement announcement show.
God is cleaning. His Church
@@umustbebornagainamen
Seems like with Joni, Doug and Jimmy there are seducing spirits and more at work and hiding behind “Christian ministry”.
I Decern Doug was determined to marry Joni no matter what. He was even at hospital when Marcus passed
Snake.
No the fake doctor wasn't at the hospital but he did RUSH from Colorado to the Texas funeral so he could be the 1st in line to lay eyes on Marcus' dead body. Seems he saw the dead body and immediately hatched his plan to put away Lisa and seduce Joni-- all the while telling his clients that he was happily married.
Wow….Rod you brought up a lot of good points that I had not considered in this drama and it was grounded with the Word and balanced. Thank you for shedding the light on truths and even on the untruths these leaders were propagating
I’m sure it is heart wrenching to others, as it is for me, to see this family, this ministry and this Christian television network in crisis with the nation and Christian community watching.
Father God, in Your great mercy, we loose Your hand into this situation and say Let Your will be done. We know You desire restoration, healing and love, but You also desire obedience and submission from the very top, down to the very bottom. Have mercy on the Lamb family, in Jesus mighty name, Amen.
Amen 🙏🏻✝️💯
JONI HAS GIVEN JIMMY EVANS MILLIONS
He’s her yes man. Joni has the power, position, and money.
Joni is the BOSS... she pays all three of them. Joni is the BOSS
@JudyCannon-sp7sc
That's not absolute...Joni committed obstruction of justice when she demanded Susie bring her daughter to her. After the one on one conversation took place, the child shut down.
This case is being investigated, and NO boss can commit a crime.
All the the things satan tested Jesus with Joni, Doug and Jimmy have fallen for. Power status and money.
The Lord clearly wants them out of ministry.
Obviously.
His ex wife is a class act. She could have come out to defend her self and has decided to stay silent despite ppl thinking she is the reason for the divorce
Perhaps she had to sign a NDA? 😃
A narcissist, Doug is a wolf in sheep's clothing as according to the counsellor that counselled Doug and ex wife, theres hardly anything about her because they have silenced her and I bet in his divorce he would have written up something against talking about him would lead to defamation
Get you facts straight
@@kathymorris1176 lol
I bet you don't know what it's like to live with a narcissist
Well done brother! What a shame!
Someone please tell me, where is Karen Evans, Jimmy's wife, because Jimmy's going down too!
He oughta go down...he's a bully!
Evans is also in her pocket
Yeap. He's a real piece of work.
I’m disappointed in Evans that he has allowed himself to become Joni’s yes man. She pulls him in these meetings to be her heavy, but she is the one with the power, position, and money, and he obviously says only what she instructed him to.
The weird thing was that Joni was parroting Evan's in that meeting. Maybe Evans is manipulating Joni (they are using each other for sure) to save his own hind end in regards to giving her marriage to Doug a green light. Evan's was really nasty (like the devil) in that meeting
No adultery in Doug Weiss's marriage?The way I read scripture on this subject that is the major reason to leave a marriage.Jonie had been cheated on by Marcus Lamb, and I think that's why she was susceptible to Doug's advances. Betrayal by a husband puts a wife in a vulnerable place in her heart. Doug being a sex therapist gave him an edge in going after a vulnerable woman. Jonie, I think, is not in love but "in lust". That may sound harsh, but it's a very real thing. It could take her years to get over these feelings as they can be very strong and can be very deceiving.
I just don't get it. Doug Weiss is a creepy man. Joni could have married much better than DW. Prayers for this family. 🙏
Very good. Thank you for the research you did on these subjects. Wonderful biblical view. God bless
This is sooo good to hear!Finally a voice of truth!! A modern day John the Baptist!! Preach it brother!!!
These family ministries are extremely dangerous.
Why?
Failure so many times going back to Oral Roberts and son Richard to divorced his wife Patti (Read her book and account of what was REALLY GOING ON!) And of course there's Jim and Tammy and their two kids. Each of them divorcing and remarrying with TAMMY MARRYING JIM'S BEST FRIEND!! DISGUSTING!!
@@Chuck-es8ixyou have to ask, dude. Get discernment
@@Chuck-es8ix Are you kidding?
People seem to trust them look what happened to him, Jimmy Baker, and Jimmy Swaggers. I could actually name 20 people right now. What’s crazy about tithing is you don’t know who to trust that’s the problem right there. Who can we trust to give our money to? Right
Hahahaaa...he runs his ministry..'Marriage Today'.....
These men are wolves and our great Father is revealing the repulsive truth.
The lavish lifestyle is a concern.
Excuses excuses excuses ..... I've been betrayed big time BUT I'm still married. I've given it to the Lord. He is my vindicator
My prayers go out to Johnathon and Susie Lamb and their children. Joni, Doug and Rachel will pay for their behavior and actions.
And Rachael’s husband.
I dont understand why people, including ministers, especially and unfortunatelly, keep mixing up the two subjects Jesus talked about when he spoke about divorce. It says that a person can only divorce due to sexual impuriry, however, He also states very clearly that whomever remarries that woman or man commits adultery also!! Why? Because God also said, whomever God has united man cannot separate. It's a spiritual union. Divorse only deals with the physical separation of two married people, not the spiritual bond created by the choice to marry and the sexual union of those two married people. Divorsed Christian people have to stay single, otherwise, they commit adultery, no matter the reason for their divorse. It's very clear!!!
Absolutely!
Can u remarry if your ex husband dies?
@joannwilliams9973 yes
*1Cor 7:39 -"A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord."
*Romans 7:2- "For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage."
WRONG....READ IT AGAIN ....
@karenhill9495 please explain!!
Thats exactly what I said. Why couldnt Joni have someone else read the comments or just have them appear on the screen while going to commercial break? We know why. It was all about control.
Anyone can throw out the accusation of "abuse" in a marriage and justify leaving for any reason. I was a faithful husband and never touched my wife, but her friends told her i was abusing her by saying she was wearing inappropriate clothes and acting selfish. So she left me and took the kids. She later admitted she was wrong and apologized and greatly regretted the damage she did to me and our kids.
At least she came back to her senses. I so worry for the people who watch these folks on TV, tel-a-vision, and believe man's word over God's Word. I have a senior family member who loves Daystar and thinks this is Joni's time to be happy since Marcus had an affair. She is in her 80's and still living on her own but her concept of the Bible 20 yrs ago to today are very different. I find it very concerning and try to tell her that some of these ppl are false prophets.
Just because there is a grounds for divorce doesn't mean you can remarry. The Bible is very clear on adultery and they are risking their eternal salvation for immature lust and desire. Its sad.
EXACTLY
I like Rod's presentation on this. Very articulate, clear, and orderly. He also has a smooth voice that flows effortlessly. God bless you and your gifting. You also clearly gave biblical explanations of some of the facts and grey areas. The scriptures in 1Cor 8:7-13 immediately came to my mind when I listened to the released tape by Jonathan. Joni and Jimmy were forcing Jonathan and Suzy to affirm Joni's marriage and forcing them to read comments endorsing it even though they kept saying it was against their conviction and conscience. The Bible says anything done without their own faith but merely on someone else's conviction is sin - Roms 14:23. They didn't need to force this aspect down their throat and difference between a secular business and a spiritual one aka ministry is that God and His Word is involved and should be the centre and heart of everything that goes on there. It's a pity this couldn't have been resolved internally. Another christian scandal😢
I don't understand this condescending treatment of Jonathan, yet he was Vice President of Daystar, appointed by his father before his death.
Great job Rod 👏
There is no permission to divorce and remarry. Only permission to divorce. This is keeping with the scriptures from Jesus and the exhortation from Paul. Everything else is looking for a loophole. I think it is pretty clear and no gray areas. What I find really interesting is that Joni thinking that the case for adultry only divorce was her beliefs until now but gets upset with her children because of their beliefs of adultry only. I would say if someone is in abuse to leave, but still would not advocate divorce. If you do divorce, you must remain unmarried. Is remaining unmarried such a bad thing? I don’t understand. Singleness is not a death sentence.
Finally somebody with great understanding of the Bible.
MY wife committed adultery and ended a 17 year marriage and remarried. I did everything to try to save the marriage to no avail. THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO and although it looks like I have the right to remarry I have NOT done so as I made a commitment to honor THAT MARRIAGE WITH "TILL DEATH DO US PART"!
@@larrydewein I applaud and admire your commitment.
You speak truth.
May the lord open their hearts to hear him over all this madness
Amen, and well said. I was so angered & revulsed by hearing the recording that I just wanted Joni to step down and hand the reins to Jonathan. She’s tarnished herself so, it’s just the right thing to do. But your point is the most important, for all believers need to seek the forgiveness and leading of the LORD.
I NEVER BELIEVED JONIS NEW MARRIAGE WAS FROM GOD
I stand with Suzy and Jonathan. The others should be ashamed. I hope criminal charges and justice will come to Daystar.
WHEN JEZEBEL BECOMES THE VOICE OF GOD!( JONI LAMB IS THE VOICE OF GOD) says Jimmy Evans! Mr Ahab!!
Thank you for explaining this. I am not a daystar viewer but I have caught joni's show a handful of times. You have cleared up a few questions I had. God Bless.
Doug said, " Divorce is not acceptable and he loves Lisa...So, was Doug lying?
Doug is a hypocrite. He divorced his wife without a just cause and he ran off with Joni so he could live the rich life.
Yes 😂😂😂😂😂
Things that make you go, hmmm ........🤔
Thank you for well spoken words, backed up biblically!
I now have a different view of Joni and Daystar.
JONI HAS GIVEN JIMMY MILLIONS
Rod, great video as always. I see this one popped big time. That is awesome and I hope a lot of new viewers who watch this video will go and explore your other videos and find out how solid a Bible teacher you are. You are a blessing. Keep up the good work.
Thank you for your common sense and compassionate assessment.
I just lost any thought of listening to Tipping Point with Jimmy Evan’s!!
Never liked him
@ never really listened to him - maybe a couple times when I saw someone I liked.
I get so sick and tired of these religious elites mocking God.
This is excellent teaching! Whatever we do, we do in the love of Christ 💕
Jonathan was speaking trying to express himself AND JIMMY, KEPT SPEAKING OVER HIM, not letting Jonathan vice His concerns, NOT NICE OR GOOD AT ALL.
Quite rude and unprofessional actually.
If the conversations were not recorded, would we have believed???
Nope! That’s why they recorded the meeting IMO