Quad Cortex Factory Captures with Tuomas Wäinölä & Matias Kupiainen
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- Please note: Delay & reverbs were added in the Capture monitoring chain in the studio. Quad Cortex does not yet Capture delay or reverb.
Factory Capture list: neuraldsp.com/blogs/news/quad...
More information about Quad Cortex - neuraldsp.com/products/quad-c...
Thanks to
Sunbeam Imperial Studio
Tuomas Wäinölä
Matias Kupiainen
Filmed in November 2020
Filmed & edited by Silent Paprika
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The most impressive part is the Les Paul staying in tune after that savage assault by the player.
Yeah! Thats why I got a PRS!
Finally, a demo that we could call demo and listen in a better way this QC. It seems sounds at
very very top level.
Beyond the quality of the captures, it's just very pleasant to hear Tuomas" playing !
Thanks for posting this....very exciting. The LP and Strat are such tone machines nd combined with this amp, some beautiful tones.
I’ve always been skeptical of modeling profilers but this one I’m really really really impressed! I’m happy that I waited for a one of a kind product. I can’t wait to have this...
This sounds absolutely brilliant!
Great video, bravo. Sounds immense.
I think that the capturing function is really fantastic!! Great Job.
My whole recording life and true love has been amps because they were the only thing that gave me that true slight, chimey break up. Til Cory Wong, and now I use that almost every time I need lead and rhythms. Neural is the first company that has brought me to that sound in the box except for the kemper I had and certain profiles.
I cannot wait to get this box, the ability to capture my amps, but also contain other users captures and Cory, effects, etc all in one is awesome, congrats!
Sounds killer, can’t wait to hear some extensive effects videos!
Lawd - those strat tones from 14:00-15:00 were killer!
Ridiculously good! Very impressed 🙏
I really enjoyed listening - good sounds and foremost: very good playing.
This is awesome!!!
Sounds pretty darned good to me! In my opinion, it actually doesn't need to be better than the Kemper, even if it's "as good" that will be sufficient. Some people already say the Kemper is so close to the real sound, there is not all that much room for improvement. This product will be a winner if 1) The models are as good as the plug-ins. 2) The capture is as good as the Kemper. 3) The interface is as easy to use as shown. IMHO, if those 3 things come to fruition, this will be a killer product. It will be as if the Helix and Kemper had a baby, so you get all the effects and routing of the Helix, the amazing tones of the Kemper, and best in class modeling via Neurals plug-in tech. All in a modern, durable, and just really damn smart engineering package, with wifi and USB built-in, in a smaller form factor. Next level stuff really.
You can clearly hear its not as good here
ehm no. it didnt sound that amazing. Also there is no reference point other than the source amp where you could clearly hear the difference. There needs to be a lot of comparisons before getting this imo.
@@mehegama I agree their fortin amp vs plugin video was a lot more convincing. I wonder why they wouldn’t just do the direct comparison using the same DI reamped. So we could really hear the difference. This random noodling is kind of pointless
There is actually MAJOR room for improvement in profiling/ capturing. Kempers process is rock solid, but the results are a near perfect snapshot of that tone. You mess with the tone stack, you’re gonna have a weird time. If these guys could improve the realism of the tonestack dynamics of their captures as compared to kemper profiles, they’d have a huge leg up
@@scharrface watch the XTC he is actually doing that , adding mids, highs, bass and gain and its seems more interactive rather than obtrusive to me
Sounds great! Cannot wait for mine to ship :)
Man! I cannot wait to get my hands on this thing
Sounds awesome
All I've been thinking about this month is the Tier 1 pre-orders shipping. I'm dying over here.
I know right?! The wait is loooong.
😂
Yeah, i just hope there isnt another delay...
@@DjaiGM there is another delay unfortunately per their blog post 😕
@@TomCouture ohh maan....do you have a link?
This sounds really really good! I wanna hear Matias play too!! =)
Just amazing.
Great Guitarist!
Its disgusting that I check for new videos of this product everyday now. Lol. NEW CONTENT. JUST RELEASE THIS BEAST ALREADY!
Finally! A good sounding demo..
First time I've heard it where it actually sounds good.
Tom Quayle does a great job too. I’m not into fusion but he demos stuff and explains them really well and he makes everything sound great.
Studio Rats sounds great. And many others. Pros have e switched over to it. They’re on the forum
I was on.
Damn, if i ever go back to tube amps it would be cause of that bogner, sounds freaking amazing at everything.
Hard to beat the real thing! IMHO Lol
I think it's safe to say that transistors have now cought up with tube amps.
Transistor have cought up with tubes only for « tubes recorded with microphone » sounds. Not for « amp in the room » yet, and it’s the big thing now. But... I am earing that quad cortex is closer than it’s competitors.
In recordings people have been getting fooled for 15 years or more. The last time I heard a tube vs modeler in a stage volume setting, the tube amp filled the entire room, the modeler going going through FRFR couldn’t fill the room the same way. But it’s been maybe 7 years...
Just as good an advert for the Bognor too!
Epic !
Impressive!
Sounds awesome!
Got damn :) Luv the sound :)
Cortex sounds great but man that a delicious CS strat.
Worth the asking price for the tones on this video alone. Unreal!!!
Killer player as well!!!
What pickups are in that Les Paul?? Man are they good too!
Hi Scot! Thank you kindly! They are Bare Knuckle Pickups "The Mule" pickups, love them too, there's some good old school bite in them.
@ you’re a great player Tuomas.
Fuckin awesome. Since nothing is perfect, its amazing to see that this is so incredibly close. Scrolling down to read the comments and I honestly could not tell which one was the real sound and which was the profile. Im sure if I was watching I would see them hitting the button and I would say "Aha! There is a difference! I can hear it" but honestly its so minimal its going to be left to the cork sniffers to say how drastic it seems to them. Im glad my ears arent as good as theirs. It would make me miserable.
Count me impressed 👍
Genios
Leon Todd needs to deep dive this unit send hime one.
I'm pretty sure its its own thing here guys. Its not a Kemper, an Axe fx or helix. Its its own thing and does sound great
19:57 i really hope the refine function is able to listen to the player noodle on the higher register of the fretboard with single note lines and match the EQ for those registers in isolation, and be able to tell the difference in bandwidth if it's being fed chords or single notes. With chording it's legit hard to tell the difference between amp and capture, but with single notes in the high register, the real amp has all of its headroom available to push the single notes, the power amp isn't under load like it is when given the whole chord, there is an extra high chime and a slight scoop to the single notes when it's just single notes by themself... When it switches to the capture, the single notes on their own are reproduced with the same EQ color as the chords, two characteristic differences stick out to me in the single notes, 1. maybe 3dB of extra low mids around 250Hz, and 2. maybe 3dB less of the glassy high end chime, like around 3k or 4k. If the refine function can learn to grab those singled out bell tones up high based on recognizing what bandwidth it's being fed to adjust it's EQ, you couldn't tell at all. Not sure if it's dynamic like that.
Smart comment there!
Wäinölä 🤘
How much does the rack gear come into play with the finished sound, ? Kemper can get good results with a DI box but amazing when dome in a studio , wondering if this is same. Meaning how much more $$$$ will I be out on profiles .. again hahah. Ordered mine day one at Sweetwater . Dec 3rd it’s hopefully landing in my mailbox. Great stuff crew. Some fun in 2020
Humm.. I'm a fractal guy and the FM3 and AXe Fx 3 are the apex in nailing and surpassing their real life amps .
Love that tone @ 10:08...
A W E S O M E !
It would be cool to have in future a plugin interface of the quad cortex, like the helix native for example
Looking forward to more demos! Oz Noy, Scott Henderson, Larry Carlton?
How it this unit configured to the amp? is it via mics on an out of shot cab?..
What distortion or overdrive pedals do you have plugged in front of this? I’m just guessing on the gold one. Is that a honeybee? And I can see the other one. The overdrive.
That sounds incredible......\\NN//
Very much appreciate the more detailed video this time around. Demonstrating more tangible and encouraging detail. Seems to be respectfully close, but so far I feel like I am hearing a fairly noticeable lacking in the high end detail (e.g. bite, clarity, note separation, crispness in palm mutes).
This observation reaches the level of being close enough to call it a small blanket over the speaker kind of thing, or to say the difference between okay tubes vs great tubes, or perhaps more simply new strings vs old.
But it is at least better than Kemper as far as I can tell at this point. On the other hand, it seems to be neutering some of the most critical details that are the reason why I spend an excess amount of money on higher end amps, guitars, pickups, cables, monitoring equipment, etc.
Worst case scenario is it seems like this could be a good convenience option but not good enough to become a replacement for the real gear for this who need/want and can afford the expense to get the last 5%.
@@matdan2Perhaps, if your monitoring equipment is not that good, it could be difficult to hear a difference, but my gear is pretty much top of the line studio equipment and the differences definitely come though. Although, there is no denying that sound quality is also diminished via TH-cam, it does not homogenize everything into oblivion.
What Speakers or monitors are used?
since i couldn't find nowhere any info about this, neither it was mentioned anywhere yet, then i'm asking it here: the Quad Cortex is presumed to provide 48+ phantom power to be used with a mic, then what are the A/D that you guys have put in there? Since you have aimed for a highend line, are the digital audio converters of the same or any comparable quality level of what can be found in RME, APOGEE, Lynx or Prismaudio audio interfaces ? TIA
Can the Quad cortex do a good “surf tone”? Most demos on yt lean towards the high gain heavy stuff.
One of the many things I cannot afford 🤣 I hope you have a sale on your vsts and by that I mean a decent sale 👍🏼
pre order list just got 1 longer
It's a great device , for what I can see/hear. Still no bass players for this one? If you know some please write a comment ;-)
Will we ever heard some bass please ?
Does anyone know if preamp circuits were modeled without the poweramp section? And is it possible to capture just an amps preamp (like you could on the Kemper) for using with an amp and cab?
Capturing just preamps or poweramps works fine!
@@AmbitusFIN Can you mix'n'match preamps and poweramps to create "new" amps? How about capture just pedals and use that captured pedal as an effect on any other preset?
@@VortechBand Agreed, while it sounds really good,NDSP is leaving out far too many details about the QC. I don't record much and would use this live with a real poweramp and a cab. My Kemper does all the things mentioned here. It would be nice to know if the QC can do the same.
@@VortechBand all what you mentioned is possible with Captures.
@@AmbitusFIN Awesome :)
hot damn.
Ok...this sound really fuckin amazing, the interfaz looks so easy!! but...i really want see a video from a "client" a "final customer" or "youtuber" ...beacuse im still thinking about buy this amazing quad cortex but theres not enough videos, info and a tremendus delays on the deliveries who scarry anyone...please do more videos in normal situations in regular studios or home studios because not everyone have a fist class studio
I'd love them to send one to Glenn and Ola. I feel they're straight forward and genuine with product reviews.
@@chrismartinez1370 thanks dude...i hope ser more videos about quad cortex and i hope ve ready to sell un América and if You can...sell it un México because veré theres Zero info about Neural dps products and it's to Bad because it's really amazing stuff what You do dudes
Would like to hear a Soldano
Ordered it. Maybe next year, 2022. What?!
WOW
Where is it ? Still not available ? Thought it’s due out Nov ?
Soon. Sign up at your dealer that carries it.
Need!
Yeah
I would like to see how those high gain captures clean up compared to the reference as the guitar volume is turned down.
It sounds like an amp being lowered. Unlike the Kemper that sounds like a cocked wah.
I dont know what the naysayers are talking about.. I think the unit does a great job here. would love to see if anyone could call the amp or the modeler in an AB situation
I agree.
Anyone know the amp at 14.40?
Didn’t he switch to the Mad Professor Amp?
Can you use it thru a guitar cabinet? Yes I realize that it’s not really meant for that but that’s how I want to use it. Thx. As far as size it wins on that alone. But we will see. Tube amps and a good pedal for me but I do own the Kemper and helix and imo they need a real pedal in front of an amp block or in front of the Kemper for feel and to enhance the sound. That’s just me and my opinion. Kemper comes with power which I like too. Yes I know many plug into a computer but I like that you can plug this into a cell.
You would either need to run it into a poweramp first or use a powered cab - then also remember to turn off cab sim on the unit - but yeah you can use a real cab if you want...
@@vonbleak101 yes that’s how I have to do the helix which should come with power at the price we all pay. I wish I had known this was coming out. Oh well it’s never ending anyway. Thx for replying I just saw this. FYI the Yamaha 100hd double modeler at $800 or $900 comes with power. Sounds and feels great. It’s simple. Plug in and play. Totally overlooked. Yamaha owns line6 now too. Thx again.
@@kcussrebutuemos4815 Yeah no probs and i think you only need to turn off the cab sims for the regular guitar cabs - Im pretty sure if you are using a powered full range cab (Friedman make a few nice ones) they are made to be transparent so they can take cab sims...
@@vonbleak101 yea but I’m ok with my regular guitar cabinet. I’ve already overspent it’s really becoming a serious issue so I don’t want to buy another cabinet. I appreciate your help though. Now to sell stuff is the hardest part. I’m not sure if I should sell things before I try something new. We’ll see anyway take care, stay safe and thx again. Oh FYI I saved up and traded up to a Friedman it took years and it’s a smallbox limited. Best amp I’ve ever played sound wise and feel. Takes any pedal you throw at it if you want to mix things up. That’s what I mean by I don’t need this quad cortex it’s an addiction now.
Guys great work but why can't it have a name display like helix and headrush. Wud be one extra point isn't it. It Wud help on gigs while it's very hard to see on the main display
While it's in the floor plus I wear glasses too. Ithink with the name display it Wud be killer machine
I hope it can tone Capture the Acoustic guitar
Can this thing capture individual pedals, too?
Yes
@@AmbitusFIN Thanks!
@@robertsimpson5801 What? Really? Insane...
Somewhat. It depends on the pedal. Effects, delays, etc, No. Distortion, sure.
Now make a cortex with one input and sell it for a quarter of the price! 😛😛😛😛😛😛
Mono-Cortex... doesn't sound as fun.
awesome device, order is placed. but first, i'll be putting my head in a freezer for next 3h cause of 23min non-stop noodling on sounds my grandpa loved so much -.-
Really? Go ahead because chugging is f-cking boring to a lot of us. You know why you don’t like this lead playing? You can’t do it. I use high gain for anything and you can play your 3 power chords with your head in the freezer but move it into your bedroom where you think you sound great. Meanwhile, session guys are working lead and well your head’s freezing over with your non existent playing grandpa whose a better player than you.
@@kcussrebutuemos4815 hey Mike, no worries - wasn't referring to chugging or anything alike. Spread love and your skills, cheers mate
@@Utubewrk123 feed the troll
holy shit
Would love to hear how it captures a direct amp capture into a power amp into a real cab
For Me same weakness in captured signal like with Kemper. Captured signal: A bit more gain, more copmpressed in tone, and less dynamic on palmutes parts. Also what Cab, mics were used here? Important info For Me. Here 2 short samples from video: brickwall.pl/cortex/
Def hear the difference. But are you saying Kemper is not any better in this regard? Because I have no experience with kemper and I'm thinking between Kemper and this one...
@@OlliAlexander Not compared cortex and Kemper yet. But from what i heared now I think cortex can capture pedals and amp niuanses better. Im with kemper from 7 years, also Axe helix etc. Many comparusons on my website. www.sinmix.pl
That’s interesting. Your’re right on the « little more gain » stuff and compression.
Maybe that’s also the reason why they have more highs in a harsh way. But the Kemper doesn’t add those highs that aren’t related to the natural harmonics and just add in a mix like white noise. « Shhhhiiiiihhhh »
I think it’s the main issue vs the Kemper.
Curiously the Ge Labs doesn’t have this issue either.
I hope they will improve that because it’s a real problem. Not sounding 100% accurate is less important
I really don’t give a fuck about the tone, digital products of these sort are the same to me but I got used to work out a decent tone of most things anyway.
I’m more impressed by the small format and the accessibility of things so I may buy this once traveling the globe is back to somewhat normal...and the KP stays where it is.
Great job there... It sounds amazing!!!.. :D
Only detail I'm curious about is the palm mute 'bite' difference. Is slightly noticeable from the minute 4:24, but I think is very important
I'd describe it as a high sound at the very beginning of the contact of the pick and the string. It gives that delicious "knife" to the sound of distorted riffs
For example, some weeks ago I tried to "get close" to the guitar riff sound of Dream Theater's "Count of Tuscany", from the first verse. But there's no Amp plugin that can give that "bite" in the attack.
It would be great to clarify that in some future video. Regards and congrats!
Are any of your beta testers bass players? Can we get some kind of bass demo? I know there's gotta be at least a couple of bassists somewhere close who can throw something together. Maybe just swing by Darkglass HQ and grab a couple of those guys....come on!
Quad Cortex does not yet Capture delay or reverb... YET??? That would be a game changer for me.
So, was that the video for the grand'pas who worried whether they could have the sound to play their 3 blues licks ?
and this is why there's no point me making my own captures with my sole SM57 and crappy £50 interface. :-)
You can just do a capture of your amp before the speaker and then use the built in IRs to run after your amp capture in the signal chain. That is what people have been doing with Direct/Studio profiles with Kemper.
@@Tiger1016. The cheap preamps and converters would still be part of the profile though
But you get the captures of other people who have amazing sounding amps and download the capture for yourself via the "user capture repo".
@@encryptor6710 But you already have Kemper for that
@@chrismartinez1370 But I cant play live with it because I just have the toaster version. This does ALL IN ONE.
Ship one of these to Ola please!
No thanks,
Ola always sounds the same🤣
@@azlakkithats my point :) Need to see how well it produces that chug. You can choose not to watch as your right.
@Strange Encounter the point was that all these QC demos are not about setting up and playing chug and thats the tone I'm after. Not all high gain sounds good as it also takes a great IR. Would like to see more like how the IR blocks work on the QC.
Simón peg with hear
Good demo.
- more vintage classic tones is better, dudes who will spend 1700€ and go from Kemper/Helix/fractal World aren’t the same who djent on plugins ;)
- less harsh that previously, that’s a lot better BUT STILL HARSH HIGHS ADDED IN CORTEX VS REFERENCE.
- maybe a little more definition in the ooomph range of the eq (60-120Hz) but the punch in the bass is here.
Very encouraging!
Wait are you actually beginning to like the tones 😁
The real thing sounds better in all cases. I’m being letdown honestly
@@adamdevo7179 thats great news for you as an Axe fx owner , still means you have the best modelling product at the moment , no need to worry you still have bragging rights
Too much for the likes of me. I like simple basic fx, distortion, wah, amp, cab, see ya! I'm sure this is great for people who understand it all.
virtual woman , for virtual guitar players
Give me a break. This sounds amazing, can be your whole band's set up, and fits in your backpack.
Not everyone wants to carry big tube amps in a van to play live (which most likely you can't even turn all the way up).
Love how they never show any presets.
Can we get some classic clean amps and their sounds captured as well? most of this is mid to high gain.
Clean amp with stratocaster starts around 11:00
Some people can't even finish the video before complaining about something... There's clean and blues sounds in the video as well.
lol , nice try troll
@ that bullshit noodling is tiring to listen to. I wish theyd just reamp the same chugga chugga DI through both QC and the amp. Because at 4:23 and in most other cases it just doesnt sound as good. By good I mean focused and sweet and punchy
@ dude I watched the whole thing. There was like a minute of pure clean sound around 11:00 like Matias responded. I was just asking for a bit more variety of clean amps, not just one like this video showed. No need to be butthurt about it
Popcorn in my desk and waiting for fractal-kemper and old tube farts fanboys to enter in the comments
and you still the dumb one than the other 🤪
@@danamilkyway here we go , N.1
@@lyrasimo i think i was number 2, because no.1 owned by someone with account name "Simo" 😕
Sooo, wouldn't you have to be a Neural, young digital-dumb fanboy? And you've preempted it all by entering a meaningless, troll comment? What a fine contribution....
: )
@@CentaurusRelax314 i like all gear , N.2
Why is there NO DIGITAL output on this $1500 US device?? No SPIF, no AES EBU, no Optical? WTF?
Honestly curious what would you want to use it for?
@@Rouwiinator use it for? Better sound and better feel is the response, especially for clean tones, which is where most modeling platforms are weak. There are many advantages to recording with digital output imo.
#1 less conversion stages,
#2 quality of conversion output is chosen by the end user, you are not stuck with the converters in the unit.
#3. using a digital output means less gain staging or overload issues going into the DAW.
#4Less latency, usb is much slower and has latency.
#5 matching bit and sample rates means phase issues are minimized.
A question for you would be, Q: why does every other competing modeling device have a digital output and this does not?
@@talmorris3740 Thanks for the answer. I learned a thing or two I wasn't really aware of. The most likely reason is probably to cut cost or keeping the unit smaller. Either way I see your point.
@@Rouwiinator tal is the guy that does the very popular pedal demos. You don’t realize I bet. They don’t usually show the guys face and put his name out there. Don’t want to mention the company but they used to have the coolest pedal videos on utube. Popular company. He’s a pro guitarist.
@@Utubewrk123 I did not know but I guess you can't know everyone.
4:23 the QC doesn’t sound half as good as the real deal on palm mutes. Bummer. Come on Doug/Francesco can’t you hear the pre eq is not right on those chugs?? Whyyyyyy
Yes that lack of oomph. That’s why I’m on Kemper
@@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 I was hoping it would be just as good at least! It’s certainly great they do profiles without cabs though.
@@notalkguitarampplug-insrev784 but as a kemper user, you know kemper sometimes acts kind of the same way? Until you go in and refine it a couple times. So maybe it can be fixed here too
Agree but did not call it just at this single moment. The entire time I could hear a clear missing of higher end details (i.e. bite and clarity) when they switched back and forth. It is enough to call it a small blanket over the speaker kind of thing, or to say the difference between okay tubes vs great tubes, or perhaps more simply new strings vs old.
But it is at least better than Kemper as far as I can tell at this point. On the other hand, it seems to be neutering some of the most critical details for me and why I spend an excess amount of money on higher end amps, guitars, pickups, and cables. Seems like it will be a good convenience options but not good enough to become a replacement for the real gear for this who need/want and can afford the expense to get the last 5%.
Listen to it at 21:45. The Cortex sounds as good on the palm mutes if not thicker than the reference!
I'm on the 1st tier of the pre-order, but I don't care how much longer I have to wait for actual shipping started.
I'm not even interested in this capturing feature - think about it, how many actual consumers can use capturing feature like the video? This is fucking nonesense - , so just show us some of the 'basic' features like the "others" have.
We need a small sized multi-effect processor, not a "copy machine".
Please just do what you have to do!!!
A couple of you made comments about grandpa licks. Yea really? I’d like to see you put up your videos against this guy. He’s a really good player and he’s not a grandpa as far as I’m aware. If anybody’s grandfather can play like this you’d be dam lucky. Stop with the ageism and it’s also obvious all you can do is chug. #boringimo. Learn some licks why don’t you. It takes time, lessons, patience and practice. But those chugs take about an hr out of a day to learn. Worry about the product and stop picking apart a great player that you’ll never be. FYI that’s why he’s sitting in a studio with a new cool product and you’re insulting let’s call you #chugs are sitting in your bedroom forever going nowhere. Probably can’t even afford it in the first place. I’m putting an order in for one. I think it sounds great and I don’t need reverb or delay or chorus etc. clean, crunch, high gain for lead. And I definitely don’t need to chug. FYI and no I’m not old but you’re insulting people’s parents and grandparents so shut it. And newsflash you will grow old one day.
Also please stop with this noodling nonsense and use the same DI reamped to shootout amp vs QC. Preferably some riff so its very clear how it handles low end
Yes please
Totally agree A/B is the only way to make a good overview of the capture. For now it still lacks of low end and has harsh highs added but it’s been improved since last demo.
Why? He’s talented and I’m assuming you can’t play. Let me guess…you can chug.
Sounds like guitar rig... nothing impressive.
tone 100% there. but dynamics. specially on cleans and crunches
no dynamics whatsoever compared to real amps. why??? dynamics for music besides metal is very important
Agree. In order to be a game changer like everyone is hyping it up, it needs to pick up nuance of playing in picking strengths, guitar volume behavior changes, articulation and note separation, etc. Can it make me a more expressive player like a great tube amp can do? Does it react to technique like a great tube amp? Whatever product can do that and get amazing sound and features with a lot of options for signal routing, will be the product that wins over guitar players that are die hard tube amp guys.