What Really Happened on Rollo Coaster at Idlewild August 11th 2016?
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- On August 11th 2016 Rollo Coaster at Idlewild was operating normally. Around 12:02pm a group of 4 riders were loaded into the train, 3 of the riders were children under 48”, but all were above 36” so they were allowed on the ride. The ride was dispatched from the station. About halfway through the ride the smallest of these 4 riders, a 3 year old rider was thrown from the train and to the ground next to the coaster.
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Everybody gangsta till coaster college says a ride was operating abnormally
Gs are Gs even when the train is flying off the tracks homie! 😎🤘
@DuecePiece Skyrush and el toro *eat your hearts out*
Bro 👀 for real lol
'Operating normally' is the biggest red flag I've seen on this channel
Yes, especially since they almost never actually are. The park just hadn't noticed the problem yet.
Or just didn’t care.
@@mondenkindqueenAka every six flags ever
I'm scared every time something operates normally. Unexpected operations make me feel safer.
@@CarolinaCycloneJamesthere’s a lady who waited in line for Top Thrill Dragster that may have more to say
If anyone's confused, the on-ride camera was before the turnaround prior to the accident, and today it's after the turnaround. Which explains how the picture was taken with the child still in the seat
This was an awful accident, but it’s good to know that the child recovered and that Idlewild completely replaced the old trains and brought the old coaster fully up to modern standards instead of either doing the bare minimum or just demolishing it.
The park also implemented IROC training standards, and have an entirely new ride operations team. From what I’ve heard and seen they’ve really brought the hammer down on safety.
I can’t imagine putting a 3 year old on a coaster with no restraints.
Imagine being a parent and thinking its ok for your 3 year old and 7 year old to ride together unsupervised. Yeah the park was at fault here - but everyone is to blame for this.
i wouldn't even let a 3-year-old ride a carousel alone. (except those kiddie carousels that used to be quarter-operated back in the day, assuming they can even be found anywhere now. the super-short ones with like 3 horses. even then i'd be watching and ready to catch them if they fell lol) i got the honor of taking my niece, when she was that young, for a ride on the same carousel i used to ride on when i was a little girl, and that's such a special memory for me, sharing that with her.
@@rcmadiaxThe park definitely is at fault, but at the end of the day, it’s the parents job to protect the child.
The child seat in a shopping cart has a seat belt for f#*k sake. How no one thought that a restraint was necessary on a whole roller coaster is beyond me.
You people are talking out of your collective rears. Rollo Coaster is a gentle and incredibly safe coaster. It was safe when these idiots who disobeyed the rules got hurt. The coaster ran for decades with no incident. People literally disobey the rules on the ride and they end up injured, and somehow that is the coaster's fault.
Kid didn't even get hurt that badly. That's how safe Rollo Coaster is, and they ruined it with restraints.
Few things are scarier to me than the idea of seeing your toddler fall off a roller coaster, and having no choice but to sit there terrified as the coaster completes its circuit, unable to help or even look
I see a lot of people throwing shade at the parent involved switching. But what probably happened Was that child that switched with the three yr old was scared where the other two were excited. So in a quick decision to calm down the one kid made the call to switch them. I get overwhelmed with one kid, let alone three.
Should the parent have thought a bit more probably. But at the end of the day the trained people should be trained well enough to know what is safe. (Not that I put a ton of blame on the operator either in general)
But some people are out here acting like this parent is super neglectful/being judgemental. And I just can't see it. Also, I think people have this idea that 3-year-olds are super incapable and small. And I was in that boat until I had a 3-year-old. They can do and are a lot more aware and capable than you think. It's one of those things that's hard to know until you experience it.
It's just a horrible thing all around and while some of the blame does fall with the parent, Like I said I think people are being way too harsh. 😢
@@eastdalecrt Nope people aren't being nearly hard enough. Rollo Coaster rules always were the heavy adult sitting on the side the child was rejected. So a family of fools decides to disobey that and now a classic coaster is butchered because of them.
@@ozzymandias7649 The coaster was in really bad shape too.
@@eastdalecrt the thing that confuses me is the simulation video keeps showing the adult in front when the actual photo shows an adult behind with the 3 kids around them. If I was with others who I'm responsible for then I would want to be at the back or side where I could see them all, not in front where who knows what's happening behind me.
While it is odd they didnt choose to sit with the smallest, some 7 - 8 year olds can be surprisingly responsible and the 3 year old was still right in front of the parent (if they are the adult shown in the picture) and as you said the other child might of been more nervous or needed someone with them more than the [supposedly safe/secure according to ride ops] 3 year old
Crazy that these parks think that rides that appear to be working fine will just magically continue to do so. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know stuff wears out and requires maintenance
that's what happens when you have the department of agriculture in charge of roller coasters, lmao
Something you pointed out that I want to expand on is the operators signing off that they got training on something they couldn't have.
This unfortunately happens A LOT in the industry. For me, I was just told to initial/sign everything at the end of my training. I insisted on reading and signing everything, but this is a common procedure at parks. How am I to know what I was/not trained on? It's not like the training has titles. It's more of "today you're going to help with filling cars. Here's the requirements, if someone's outside of these they can't ride. [Employee] show them what to do for a bit then let them do it a few times". So how would I know whether that involves training in operation with multiple trains or if the operation during single-train operations (or vice versa) is any different?
I'm not in the roller coaster/amusement industry but I am involved in training. In my organization, no single trainer can sign off on a competency. Each one has to be assessed multiple times over the duration of the individual's training. The trainers themselves are also continually assessed.
I don't know how to apply that to your industry but it has served us well.
Y'all I heard "made a recovery" and my first though was to wonder when I clicked on a ChubbyEmu video 💀
Same here
Yup, and that "Made a recovery" for Emu is still not a good outcome, as it means life-altering issues.
I'm so glad the three year old made a recovery, but it is insane that this ride had zero seat belts. The poor maintenance of the ride was really unacceptable too. If dirt and plants are covering your hinges, that means no one has looked at them in a long time.
These videos are my guilty pleasure especially as a coaster enthusiast
I really appreciate this video because Idlewild is my home park, and there's a lot of misinformation from the locals around here. I'll gladly show this video to those who are unfamiliar with what happened!
L home park honestly
I am also from the area I have been waiting for him to post this
For those who are unfamiliar, a Block Zone..
@@TS_Mind_Swept ...is a section of ride that only one train may occupy
Idlewild is my home park and I'm curious what misinformation you feel is going around.
The way the child was holding the bar indicates that she was feeling unsafe. She was holding on for dear life.
I have 2 young kids and would not feel comfortable letting either one ride without me next to them at 3 years old.
im glad the kid was able to recover but i was shocked when i heard it 😭 that was an INSANE fall, plus a small kid
Shouldn't have been on the ride in first place. He was too small
@JMaster9877 And yet I've seen 5-6 year old's ride icebreaker
I work as a ride Operator, and we have to be really strict about the seating arrangements. it leads to arguments with Park guests all the time. But this just Shows that those rules exist for a reason.
I can imagine it's a source of family arguments too, which kid gets to sit with the parent, etc. Honestly that's probably why the last minute changes in this video happened.
I'm glad to hear you're sticking firmly to the rules. I hope management/upper echelons always back you up! Keep "being strict" because you'll likely save someone from injuries at least!
yeah I live in Pittsburgh and aside from Idlewild, our other park, Kennywood has the same situation, theres a coaster where the lighter rider needs to sit on the inside (and single riders aren’t allowed). They are SO strict about those things, and I remember that roller coaster being stricter with height requirements, too- it’s crazy how lax the idlewild training must have been
Hit me with 2g sideways with only a grab bar and you can scrape me off a tree...
Just ride skryush
The fact that they added the foam pad to the bar in the first place was damning. They knew it was riding rougher than it should.
I don’t look at it that way. While presumably most modern ride are more thrilling but Big Thunder Mountain at Disney has foam handle bars. I think arrow mine trains do too.
Listen, there's a lot I hate about being from Ohio, but something I will always be thankful for is the fact that the people inspecting rides have to have a background in engineering. I'll never understand how someone in the DOA is trusted with something so important.
This is such an easily avoidable accident, it's very sad. I'm glad the injured rider was able to recover, though! Also dude I just gotta say your video production quality is getting so strong! I love seeing all the 3D work and your detailed and non exaggerated breakdown of the covered topics. Keep it up man!
Thanks!
Except… the adult is like 8 foot tall 😂
@@CoasterCollege I've got an idea for you. Why don't you do the space invader accident at Blackpool Pleasure Beach in 2000 (I think it's 2000)
@@Crankflame8 if there is a public accident report I'd be happy to cover it.
@@CoasterCollegeI’m not 100% sure, but there’s a lot of documentation about the accident itself, it was a major one over here in the UK, and id love to see it covered, since BPB is my main theme park 🩵
"...was able to make *a* recovery."
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Omg I'm glad someone else got that!
Shout out to CC for discussing not just the huge well known accidents, but also the smaller, less known ones
I've ridden this ride my whole childhood growing up so when this happened it was a complete shock to me
I know a lot of the fault is on the park, but I have to question the logic of the parent. I couldn't imagine letting a three year old sit in a car with the only "restraints" being a grab bar. Honestly it's amazing he held on as long as he did. Why would the parent switch seats and not hold onto her youngest kid????? You know that poor seven year old is gonna be blaming himself...
Especially since the kid can't read, has small hands, short arms and is more likely not to follow directions. My guess is one of the older kids desperately wanted mommy to sit with them
@@QueenMariposa5Yeah, the kid she was next to in the photo looked like a little girl. Tbh I bet if it was a 3 year old girl and not a boy she wouldn't have let the kid ride alone.
You might consider doing a video of what happens to a ride that has a fatal accident after it is forced to be dismantled. The Orlando free fall is currently for sale. Well that is, unless it has been sold in the last few weeks. It is fascinating what happens to these attractions, at least in this particular case. I'm sure there are several other rides that have gone through similar things.
Just because someone is 36", that doesn't mean they have the physical and mental capacity to keep themselves in the train.
I place blame on everyone, but more on the park. The parent should have rode with the youngest child. The park obviously wasn't up to par with the maintenance of the structure. The operators should have never let the parent swap seats away from the smallest child.
I wonder if they didn't realize it wasn't supposed to ride rough. I suppose all of the dirt and brush that hid the damages is why the ejected child wasn't hurt too badly. That was good, but it is sad when preventable incidents force historical rides to change stuff. They could theoretically be safe, but with maintenance dropping the ball or tweaking 'safety' features questionably, lack of trained staff, and lawsuits common today, they stand no chance. At least this one survived it all.
Interesting idea, the ride is very old. one could chalk up an old ride to be inherently 'rougher'. With less and less first-hand knowledge of the original ride quality- some might just accept it. It is crazy how they never had an engineer come around and check-off on the ride though, those supports would send off a red flag to anyone.
Wow I’ve always wanted to hear more details on this accident. Fantastic job!
Not that seeing a young child go through a traumatic experience like this makes me happy, but I'm glad they found out there were many things wrong with the ride and it's operations before something far worse happened..
tbh I'm not sure how many details will get through that toddler haze of half remembering all but like one key nugget of important events. The seven year old sitting next to him though? They'll remember everything.
(To be clear I still feel really bad for the baby 😥)
@madeliner1682 definitely not fun for anyone that was there..
That's why I disliked how quickly people were saying crap like Final Destination 3 "absolutely 100% couldn't happen ever!". I'm like.... dude... this particular accident, with the correct balance of lack of training, lack of maintenance, and bad luck shows that _anything_ can happen. Let's face it -- this roller coaster was a few hundred rides away from that train derailing or one of those and things being much, much worse.
As you said -- as terrible as it was, this was honestly the best-case scenario before things got much more horrific. If one of those beams were to break (which could happen, based on the fact that wood was likely rotten), the whole car could have crashed. I don't care how "light" of a ride it was -- a fall of 20 feet in a train car could have killed a bunch of people.
@@jimbobjones9330 The fall probably wouldn't have killed them, as with the child, but the train car falling on top definitely wouldn't have helped with survivability..
@@TS_Mind_Swept That's mostly what I'm talking about. The 20-foot fall, likely fine. 20 foot fall under a pile of other people and train cars? Definitely much, much worse.
When I saw those fins on the new trains I thought, "Well, those are ugly." And then you explained why they were added and I went, "OHHHHH!"
"...with only a grab bar for riders to hold on to as its only restraints." I was screaming, "THAT IS NOT A RESTRAINT!!!!!"
It’s incredibly fortunate that the kid didn’t die or end ip permanently disabled. If anything about the fall had been just slightly different things would have been far worse.
I love how sold you're research has been bro amazing work keep it up
Appreciate it!
I think you should do a What Really Happened on Verruckt.
Glad that the child survived. The way you said "made a recovery" sounded like Chubbemu. I have to ask, was it just "a recovery" or was it a full recovery?
The family didn't release any details beyond that.
Well we can hope they recovered with flying colors!
i get so hyped seeing your videos drop!! some golden content on youtube for sure! thanks for what you're doing as always :D
They missed a major opportunity to add mouse theming to the train to go with those blockers.
You forgot, they also added a weight limit per row
You'ld think that with the new lap bars, stricter ride policy and the repaired track, the height requirement wouldn't need increasing?
Might be a case of "lawsuits are expensive, better safe than sorry"
Probably, but it's kinda sad, because more people are now not allowed to ride because there's a very very small chance something could go wrong. Likely even much less chance than something going wrong on the car ride to or from the park...@@weasel7491
the new trains likely only support riders over 42 inches. It probably would have been a lot of extra work to modify the trains to be able to accommodate smaller riders.
I have been waiting for you to cover this since I was there that day.
Thanks for another entertaining well-researched well-written well-animated video! Youre a gem
I would also like to metion that palace entertainment has a policy that states that with children riding together that the smaller rider MUST enter the seat first.
Now I see why they had to add those blockers. I thought they were unnecessary and, to be honest, unsightly. Turns out that there reason is very valid and I’m glad they chose to not alter the Rollo Coaster’s track which would’ve been more expensive. I’m also glad they chose to keep the manual braking system as well as there as so few of them around now.
Running as normally as it was capable of operating is scary
I remember how much I loved riding this coaster as a kid around 12-15 years ago or so. It always did scare me that the only restraint was that bar, so thinking back on it, it almost feels inevitable that something would happen like this. I’m glad the kid made a full recovery.
I just found this channel today and a month ago u posted my home town Pittsburgh attraction Idlewild!☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️ Also thank you for reminding me what happened back when I was in 8th grade, we was supposed to go to Idlewild next week but it was cancelled cause of this event, I actually forgotten what happen and this video sums it up extremely well, Good job!
I’m glad she could recover. Idlewild is my favorite park and we visit it every summer and I didn’t even know this. This was such an avoidable accident. Also, I didn’t even know rollo coaster was that old!
Fantastic review
Unfortunate outcome
Any physical issues the coaster had aside, it’s really disappointing to hear about ride operators not only not being trained properly but by proxy giving rides a bad reputation. I’m glad the 3 year old made a recovery.
That kid, now 11, probably has a great fear of roller coasters
I'm just glad the kid's okay.
I live in Pittsburgh, and I used to go to Idlewild as a kid. I'd actually thought the boy had been standing up, since that’s what everyone here was saying- the fact that the accident happened due to negligence and most people are misinformed is honestly upsetting.
I seriously hope the training problems were addressed, Idlewild also has a wild mouse and a round up, which makes three potentially deadly rides if employees are THAT inattentive.
As for the maintenance issues, my guess is that it had something to do with the issues the wild mouse was having. That thing was hardly ever open, I wouldn’t be surprised if the park was diverting time and resources away from roll-o coaster trying to fix it, since the wild mouse was a pretty big (and at the time more recent) investment for the park- thats just a theory though, I could be completely wrong
I was at Six Flags Over Texas last month, and the workers had to e-stop the ride on La Vibora. A couple little girls were trying to get on using Flash Pass through the exit, which is NOT the Flash Pass lane. The Flash Pass lane was where me and my parents were. I don’t know if the operators told them this, but they were sitting on the ground in front of the exit gate, and one of them was yanking it open and closed. The operators told them multiple times to stop, but they didn’t. I guess one of them panicked and e-stopped the ride. It took a few minutes to get the ride back up and running, but watching them do it from the station was fascinating to me. Eventually, we got to ride, and I had so much fun riding it.
I honestly would not ride this I would feel unsafe without a lap bar or seatbelt. I love roller coaster but some old rides like this should be modified for modern standards.
Ngl I love this coaster, we used to go there every year. Kinda not surprised by the lack of maintenance. Idlewild is a small park with a limited budget. Shame about the blockers, I miss the views while riding through the woods.
So scary, so thankful that the kid is okay. Hopefully no long-term injuries poor thing. Can't believe the adult would leave the kids alone ...wtf
I used to ride this coaster with my dad when I was a little kid, it’s so crazy to think this could’ve been me
Finally!! I was there that day and always wondered how that happened. They also added a weight limit and you have to be weighed before you get on.
Even if the parent was next to the child who got ejected, what difference would that have made? (in terms of requirements)
If the adult was seated correctly they would have been inbetween the child and the opening, having the child thrown into them instead of out of the car.
Nice to see more quality content by you
i'm so glad the kid was okay
At that area of the scene, there was a whitewater west 1050 (water playground) that was part of the soakzone waterpark. It is very likely that a lifeguard noticed it first.
I remember going on this ride before the kid fell out, it was so fun, not just because it was only a bar to hold on but also because it was rough
I love to blame the operators and preach to 'rollercoasters ARE safe' because of that, but in this mind-boggling situation it is not fully the case
This was my first coaster. I rode it when I was just 2. Never any issues as long as people followed the rules. Operated it too.
Yup. All of these idiots who are talking out their ass like it was some death coaster is hilarious.
Well, coaster college just posted, so lets watch it!
Personally can confirm that those checklists you are usually (I was) to just sign off on everything (like seen here) at the end of the night. Even if you did or did not do them just sign off on it anyways. That's what I was told in training.
I'm glad the 3 year old was ok, but I can't imagine letting a 3 year old ride a child/family coaster. I didn't get to ride my first coaster, which was the dragon one, until I was 5 or 6 years old
you know your in trouble when you hear "operating normally" on a roller coaster
The mockup showing the kid shooting out of the train at like 90mph almost made me spit my drink
i miss the lack of restraints but my recent ride on it was still just as good as i remembered
The report about the fury 365 steel support fracture was released about 1 week ago. You should make a video about that.
I have zero training and could tell you it’s absolutely abhorrent to let a child ride alone. Ridiculous lack of common sense from guardian and ride ops. So glad they’re okay.
0:37 "The investigation would be headed by the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture, who is responsible for inspecting rides in the state."
4:05 "The investigators also noted large amounts of vegetation and dirt covering these concrete footers, meaning they likely had not been accessed for some time by maintenance personnel."
So basically they found that the PDA themselves hadn't adequately inspected the ride either, right?
If your kid says they brushed their teeth but the toothpaste is still sealed, the toothbrush is bone dry, and they got a smelly breath, you call them out for their lies. Likewise, if an amusement park manager tells you they did proper maintenance on a ride, but it has deformed and slacking turn buckles, and footers that are convered in years worth of vegetation, you should know they are lying.
I'd assume your job as inspectors is not to collect paperwork stating "I did it, promise", but rather to regularly actually INSPECT the ride (as in: looking at it, in person) and determine if they are still safe.
What gets me with all the things wrong, doesn't these rides have a yearly inspection by the State or Federal government? I don't think these things could happen in a year or does inspections happen after an accident.
Having been on this coaster 50 times from 2005 to 2015, it was clear to me you always put younger children on the inside for safety. I wouldn’t ever let my kids on that coaster, or any ride when they’re 3 years old, by themselves, in a seat. Yes, the employees messed this up, but the parent bears partial blame for this. I also walked down the asphalt road that connects the parking lot to the walkway around the water park many times. Certainly this was preventable.
Wow, what an animation! What program was used, blender?
Thanks, blender!
Idlewild is essentially a kiddie park, and I think that makes people complacent. They're just kiddie rides! They're not dangerous thrill rides! WRONG!
did they fix the footers and turnbuckles? I swear the most ominous phrase out of your mouth is "the ride was operating normally"
Can you do a video explaining why the department of agriculture is the one responsible for many states' investigations, rather than lets say the NTSB or NIST for example
We're there any changes to the track, like maybe not putting the buckles into a tree? 😅
Not specified, but I don't imagine the engineer they had to hire approved that.
11:36 you can see a woman in the front car holding her phone out wide in the open in front of the operators and they say nothing. I haven't ridden Rollo Coaster, and even though it seems like its not very intense, a phone can still be a projectile, and while traveling at 25 mph it probably won't kill anyone, it can still cause significant harm, especially to a small child. Idlewild is just being reactive, not proactive, and at some point I'm sure some one is gonna get hit with a phone on that thing.
Why is nobody talking about the carelessness of the mother? Who leaves their 3 year old toddler to sit next to their 7 year old sibling on a ride with no restraints. The child she was sitting with seemed a lot older and in less need of protection.
Because she was given no reason to think it was unsafe, and was never told otherwise by staff or by any rollercoaster guidelines. 🤦♀️ ngl it's kinda sus that y'all are dogpiling on this woman when you know nothing about her
I'm not sure how I missed this story. I've always enjoyed Kennywood more than Idlewild, but it has it's charms. I haven't been to Idlewild since 2012, but I would have expected an accident with one of the waterslides.
Hey I went on that near that time! That was also my first coaster.
Rode this ride a lot as a kid, palace was definitely neglecting a lot of things around this time. Really hoping some time this ride gets timberliners which would fix most problems with it
Can anyone explain to me why in American state is often department of Agriculture who is responsible for rides and such? I honestly don't understand the leap you need to make from "agriculture" to "roller coaster"
Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it is due to the evolution of theme parks from the county fair (or state fair, agricultural shoe, etc.). While the county fair was typically started just to show off livestock and other agricultural stuff, with the advent of portable "fairground" rides, the department of agriculuture ended up getting the role of supervising that along with the rest of the county fair stuff.
The reply above me basically explains why, it may be a topic for a future video honestly.
11:58 "42 inches to ride alone and 48 inches to ride without an adult." Am I hearing that right? Aren't those two ways to say the same thing or by "alone" do you mean that's the minimum to ride at all?
I don't think the parent is at fault but like?? Why would they move and put their youngest, smallest child in a seat by the opening with only another child? Maybe I'm just too paranoid but I can't imagine thinking that was a good idea. Again, I still think the park is at fault
So many sections of this coaster reminds me of Boulder Dash.
Boulder dash was apparently inspired by it
@CoasterCollege I would honestly think this is boulder dash if high gave me no context lol
Great video! They should have been wearing seatbelts.
The ride didn’t _have_ seatbelts
@@OtisCluck the ride should have had seatbelts.
@michael7054 seatbelts would make the airtime worse (not that the ride had much to begin with)
lol why is the department of agriculture in charge of roller coasters
That ride looks hella fun.
I think I made this in roller coaster tycoon before
I thought it was Twister at Grona Lund
Why on earth would Dad move to sit with an older child & leave a 7 year old in charge of a toddler?
Oof. Made “a” recovery is always disheartening to hear
Hopefully the adult was convicted and put in prison for not sitting on the outside
Oh boy one from my home state
Honestly I expected this. Idle Wild is running out of money, how is it even open to this day?
Because its owned by a chain unless they randomly decide to pull a cedarr fair and shut the park down for good it should be here for another 10-30 years
Because it still gets crowds, believe it or not.
Because it’s a good park
I love your videos