I am a student attending Motlow State Community College. Thank you both for this video. I am currently doing Tennessee History over the summer. This video was very informative and put together very well. Have a good rest of your day, gentlemen.
Imagine the heartbreak of having a father with no historical ties to the Confederacy who proudly displays portraits of Lee and Forrest in his family room. 💔
Great discussion. As always. One observation which I found so telling, namely: “You have to try to think about the world that they lived in.” Not only does that simple observation provide an important framework for contextualizing (and addressing as well as studying) the immense and understandable controversy surrounding reconstruction, NBF etc., but does that not also provide an important framework for understanding the profound nuances and complexities of the broader civil war itself- from both a Northern and Southern vantage? Many thanks gents. Love your platform.
Great talk. The more I have read about the post-war period and the ultimate failure of reconstruction to maintain a lasting basket of rights for everyone in the South, the more I wonder if the North actually won the Civil War. It ultimately took 100 years to solidify (not perfect) what reconstruction tried to accomplish. At best an incomplete victory? Or is it fair to say that the ultimate ambitions of reconstruction exceeded the war aims of the North? Or both?
They won in the fact that we stayed the UNITED STATES, despite their differences. Slavery was abolished as it was known before the war. I personally think it took those horrible 100 give or take years to finally finish what reconstruction was supposed to have done. A child born into and raised up in a slave holding family or was taught it's normal will not let go instantly. Also a child who was born and raised up in the horrible chains of slavery will not overcome their fear of the ones who held them captive instantly, especially when after the war they were still held in contempt and were still looked upon as property. Perhaps if Lincoln had survived to see his idea of reconstruction take place things would have been better at the time. But he was killed and unfortunately for those living back then change was still a long time coming. Looking from where we are today back to 1865 and the years before that, I'd say the North won but it took a lot longer to fulfill equality for all . This is only how I feel about a win or not.
We should not romanticize or make excuses for wrongs done in the past but at the same time, restrain our 21st century hindsight to a reasonable degree....as someone once said "The people of the past don't owe anyone an apology. They, like us, fell out of the womb into a society that, like all societies, had pre-existing customs and mores. They played the cards that God dealt them the best way they knew how and that's all that you can expect of them."
I agree with the first part and the sentiment of the video of 'understanding' the mindset of that time. However, I feel the quote to the end has a tendency to defend the first part. Yes, they were people of their time. I had family that owned slaves and fought for the confederacy. That doesn't change the fact that they were 100% wrong and on the an evil/wrong side of history. Of course, those people can't apologize because they are dead. But they were wrong and it was an evil practice they defended. I don't know if you intended it to come across that way.
Americans, being predictably human and historically of predominantly northern european stock, find it difficult to live up to the precepts of our Declaration of Independance as interpreted by progressives like Lincoln, Grant, and the post Civil War "Radical" Republicans. Why didn't you discuss Forrest's end of life apologies to the Black community ?
Because they want to hide that history and plus there is no true evidence that NBF was ever the Grand Wizard of the KKK. And why don't the mention all the blacks who attended at his funeral.
You basically arrived at "the solution" at the end. America can't seem to get past its racist history and traditions because too many people aren't even willing to *discuss* it honestly and forthrightly. We (collectively as a country) can't even agree that the Civil War was about the issue of slavery. If we can't even do *that* much, we can't begin to come to grips with our past. Thanks you for being willing to turn a LIGHT on this history and examine it, the good, the bad, and the ugly. And then, if you could maybe manage to get that bronze bust of NBF hauled out of the Tennessee Legislature, that'd be great! :)
What a demonstrably false statement. Apparently you have never cared to pay attention to those who served in the U S Army who were abolitionists. Try not being so ignorant or you will get no more space here.
You have to be kidding me. There was universal belief back then that blacks were sub-human and way below whites in intellect. It's sad but true. And if you wanted a white Northern boy to fight, you'd better not make it a "free the slaves" issue. The north used the "Save the union" message to motivate the young patriots. Just read the material from that time period.
Who owned all the slave ships? Who owned and occupied most slave plantations? First SLAVES into North America were EUROPEAN Roman Catholic Irish, Welsh, and Scots. Go read the book, "White Gold". Europeans rarely enslaved anyone let alone sub-Saharans. There were plenty of slave owners in the North and the very first Northern slave owner (of sub-Saharans) was a sub-Saharan lawyer/business owner. Academics are lying. I tire of such.
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I am a student attending Motlow State Community College. Thank you both for this video. I am currently doing Tennessee History over the summer. This video was very informative and put together very well. Have a good rest of your day, gentlemen.
Thank you. I was glad to watch this video, despite the heavy topic.
Thank you guys again. Fantastic job. Really enjoyed it!!
Imagine the heartbreak of having a father with no historical ties to the Confederacy who proudly displays portraits of Lee and Forrest in his family room. 💔
Great discussion. As always.
One observation which I found so telling, namely: “You have to try to think about the world that they lived in.”
Not only does that simple observation provide an important framework for contextualizing (and addressing as well as studying) the immense and understandable controversy surrounding reconstruction, NBF etc., but does that not also provide an important framework for understanding the profound nuances and complexities of the broader civil war itself- from both a Northern and Southern vantage?
Many thanks gents. Love your platform.
Great talk.
The more I have read about the post-war period and the ultimate failure of reconstruction to maintain a lasting basket of rights for everyone in the South, the more I wonder if the North actually won the Civil War. It ultimately took 100 years to solidify (not perfect) what reconstruction tried to accomplish. At best an incomplete victory? Or is it fair to say that the ultimate ambitions of reconstruction exceeded the war aims of the North? Or both?
They won in the fact that we stayed the UNITED STATES, despite their differences. Slavery was abolished as it was known before the war. I personally think it took those horrible 100 give or take years to finally finish what reconstruction was supposed to have done. A child born into and raised up in a slave holding family or was taught it's normal will not let go instantly. Also a child who was born and raised up in the horrible chains of slavery will not overcome their fear of the ones who held them captive instantly, especially when after the war they were still held in contempt and were still looked upon as property.
Perhaps if Lincoln had survived to see his idea of reconstruction take place things would have been better at the time. But he was killed and unfortunately for those living back then change was still a long time coming.
Looking from where we are today back to 1865 and the years before that, I'd say the North won but it took a lot longer to fulfill equality for all .
This is only how I feel about a win or not.
We should not romanticize or make excuses for wrongs done in the past but at the same time, restrain our 21st century hindsight to a reasonable degree....as someone once said "The people of the past don't owe anyone an apology. They, like us, fell out of the womb into a society that, like all societies, had pre-existing customs and mores. They played the cards that God dealt them the best way they knew how and that's all that you can expect of them."
I agree with the first part and the sentiment of the video of 'understanding' the mindset of that time. However, I feel the quote to the end has a tendency to defend the first part.
Yes, they were people of their time. I had family that owned slaves and fought for the confederacy. That doesn't change the fact that they were 100% wrong and on the an evil/wrong side of history. Of course, those people can't apologize because they are dead. But they were wrong and it was an evil practice they defended.
I don't know if you intended it to come across that way.
Enjoyed the video
Great video as usual! I sure wish they were a little longer though!
Dang. I thought that was an IPad back there.
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Americans, being predictably human and historically of predominantly northern european stock, find it difficult to live up to the precepts of our Declaration of Independance as interpreted by progressives like Lincoln, Grant, and the post Civil War "Radical" Republicans. Why didn't you discuss Forrest's end of life apologies to the Black community ?
Because they want to hide that history and plus there is no true evidence that NBF was ever the Grand Wizard of the KKK. And why don't the mention all the blacks who attended at his funeral.
You basically arrived at "the solution" at the end. America can't seem to get past its racist history and traditions because too many people aren't even willing to *discuss* it honestly and forthrightly. We (collectively as a country) can't even agree that the Civil War was about the issue of slavery. If we can't even do *that* much, we can't begin to come to grips with our past.
Thanks you for being willing to turn a LIGHT on this history and examine it, the good, the bad, and the ugly. And then, if you could maybe manage to get that bronze bust of NBF hauled out of the Tennessee Legislature, that'd be great! :)
What a demonstrably false statement. Apparently you have never cared to pay attention to those who served in the U S Army who were abolitionists. Try not being so ignorant or you will get no more space here.
You have to be kidding me. There was universal belief back then that blacks were sub-human and way below whites in intellect. It's sad but true. And if you wanted a white Northern boy to fight, you'd better not make it a "free the slaves" issue. The north used the "Save the union" message to motivate the young patriots. Just read the material from that time period.
Who owned all the slave ships? Who owned and occupied most slave plantations? First SLAVES into North America were EUROPEAN Roman Catholic Irish, Welsh, and Scots.
Go read the book, "White Gold". Europeans rarely enslaved anyone let alone sub-Saharans. There were plenty of slave owners in the North and the very first Northern slave owner (of sub-Saharans) was a sub-Saharan lawyer/business owner.
Academics are lying. I tire of such.
The fact that you are actually claiming abolitionists did not exist, even in the army, is laughable. Take off your tin foil hat.
And what does that have to do with the video?