not just that but he actually seemed upset that this lets call it a civil war was still ongoing, i dont think he took pleasure in killing his own kind but it was a "the end justifies the means" situation for him
i mean dont take his word for it. go to tomb of sargeras and watch the ending cutscene. not to excuse the awful things KJ did, but he did show remorse in his final moments.@@DavidPachón8591
Kil'jaeden was the one who never stopped hunting the exiled ones (Draenei) This was never an explicit order from Sargeras, it was personal for KJ to prove Velen wrong aka wipe them all out. At some point he could've just stopped and let them be, but no 😅 This is just Blizzard again loosing connection between old vs new lore - nothing new.
I really think Man'ari Draenei should have been their own race, like the Lightforged. Also, I'm really interested in the Ata'mal Crystals, I think the yare so fascinating, most likely because I'm a huge fan of Green Lantern, so I'd like to more of them, especially the ones that are still unaccounted for.
My draenei warlock got herself green fire and was immediately turned red. I'd love a broken allied race / customisation. I have a paladin (also currently red) that I would turn broken in an instant if it was a customisation. If an allied race I'd delete her and re-level (altoholic).
@@DavidPachón8591 When will you learn that Blizzard does not care. Lightforged draenei can be warlocks for christ's sakes. Man'ari eredar can be paladins.
"Oh so... you turned on your own people, took the fel corruption, killed untold millions over thousands of years, mass genocide in a galactic scale... and now that your boss is gone, you want so come back? Sure, let's let bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge and all that. You're forgiven with no questions asked. Now come wander Stormwind freely and no one will kill you,. even though you deserve it a thousand times over. Welcome!"
That's just Velen's character, he has always been forgiving to anybody who seeks it. The Blood Elves who kidnapped and tortured, essentially one of their gods/saviors, he preformed the rites that would allow that Naaru to sacrifice itself to save the Blood Elves. The Orcs who committed genocide on a grand scale against their people, turned their bodies into fuel for their invasion and bones for their construction were forgiven, even Durotan who personally killed his best friend even after his friend spared Durotan's life after defeating him previously. Nearly was about to say Garrosh could be forgiven even after he personally almost killed and crippled his apprentice before being interrupted by Jaina. Kil'Jaedin after he spent personally 10,000 years trying to ruin Velen's life was forgiven and Velen even offered him his last rites. The Horde after the War of Thrones going so far as to extend an invitation to Zekhan and Rexxar to come see Azuremyst while they were journeying around the world. The only person that Velen never forgave was Tal'Gath the guy he trusted to protect his family, that sold out their escape plan to the Legion, that killed his wife and tortured and turned his son into an Man'ari. He even forgave you the player after you killed his son despite pleading when he realized who his son was before you killed him in front of him, while also in the process forgiving his son for killing the Naaru who personally saved the Draenei from Argus in front of him. Velen has literally been fucked over more than literally any other character in Wow, enduring like 3 different genocides, losing his entire family, having to escape to like 3 different planets, watching like 12 of his race's saviors/gods be killed or tortured and losing like 50 best friends along the way and he's still passing out forgiveness like it's candy
@@Evan-mt7bc No? Even when he last saw Kil'jaeden, Velen was still judging him, he didn't completely forgive his actions. Velen is a good and wise leader, but he isn't naive. There are unforgivable crimes, and these eredar committed worse than anything we can find even in real life. Similarly, you can't compare literally any other race or faction to the Legion either, they are the worst, by far. Besides this, even if Velen accepted their demon kin back, nobody would agree with it. Not the Alliance, not the Horde, and especially not the other draenei. They would probably even question his sanity, after murdering every single Man'ari who came to Azeroth of course
@@Herel78would have been unfair towards the horde's players cuz we also just got the highmountain tauren that were basically the same as the regular tauren just with different horns.
So why exactly Hatuun hates Velen, when he willingly sacrificied himself to save him and allow him and the people flee ? Like, Velen must thought its suicidal mission, their world destroyed...
Because he is bitter after thousands of years I guess. I always thought he is a bit of an a-hole. Velen even said that he needn't sacrifice himself but Hatuun did anyway
A heroic death is what he expect3d, but he ended up cut off from the light and painfully mutated. Add on several thousand years on a hellscape that used to be your former planet, and it's enough to make anyone a little irrationally hostile.
nobbel, is there a lore reason why the dark iron look so different from the other dwarves, like did ragnaros transform them after he made them his bitches or is it just to make them recognizable as enemies in game or some other purely visual reason ?
This is what allied races should have been, more customizations added to the base race instead of adding a race that doesn´t bring much to the game and now is even less customizable then the original race, ate this point Blizz should consolidate them and make everything just cosmetic options that can be unlocked with the race quest just like this one.
So odd that we're supposedly able to just return to Argus, despite it now being an immeasurable distance away in the galaxy again after the ending of legion. This just makes no sense. Perhaps I shouldn't expect much, but to me it devalues the power of Argus as a location if we can just go there whenever if someone "calls" us. What made it special i felt was that it was just a brief visit, and then never again. I'm a bit disappointed, even though it's just a small optional side thing.
The link between the legion and the twisting nether should be severed now since Argus which was the fuel for that was destroyed. When killed all demons should remain permanently dead at this point.
@@Evan-mt7bc Not at all. It was said the Legion only used Argus' energies to speed up the natural regeneration process. Demons still won't die a permanent death unless you kill them in the Twisting Nether, as that is the realm they originate from.
Honestly I wanted the Broken to be the allied race instead of the Lightforged. Because back before they made pretty much all classes available to all races like Warlocks and Rouges. I wanted to have the broken be an allied race for the fact we could have Dreanai Warlocks and Rouges. ANd it made sense lore wise. If I was a broken on argus, I'd would happy accept the chance to escape for a better life
I really like the way you do story time, would you be willing to do the same for the lore of Final Fantasy 14, especially for those who don't have time to play the game but want to know about the story?
Hey Nobbel! Not on the topic of the video but I’m unsure we’re to leave questions for you nowadays. (I used to watch you about 10 years ago when you did Q&A’s) I’ve recently gotten back into the game after a 9 year hiatus and I was wondering have you read the new Sylvanas novel?
@@Nobbel87 oh my god I cannot believe I missed you replying to me! First of all, I’m a massive fan I cannot believe you actually replied! Thank you so much!
So honestly I was underwhelmed which this questline the whole I want to atone for my sins shtick is very basic and the customizations only add a few colors of skins and a couple different eye options it’s literally the same as a Draenei when it should have been a fully fleshed out allied race I’m still waiting on more trolls like Amani to be customizable I mean what about fel orc? Or what about drakonids or even vrykul (or some form of them) the mummy warp guys from Outland or even ogres we need more allied races and less minor customizations to represent a whole race and culture of people how much sense does it make for a man ari to start at the same beginning as normal Draenei it makes zero sense lore wise
That's not something new, Tyrant Velhari was a paladin. Being man'ari doesn't prevent you from wielding the light. Also even if it would there are worse combinations that are complete nonsense like lightforge shadowpriests and voidelf holy priest.
@@DavidPachón8591 why shouldnt? Anyone can wield the light as long as they beleive they are worthy of wielding it. Being a spec only doest change a thing,
@ElFelix88 You say that as you keep giving them more and more money because you're addicted to their games. Incoming lie to protect your ego by saying you stopped playing their games knowing it's a damn lie.
@@scorpinok3006I'm with him they should have done better with this, they have the features literally locked behind a fcking Toy for absolutely no plausible reason, why not just add the shit to customization and be done with it
Lame, at least no official decree like with the other questionable outcasts so nothing has changed. There arejust bunch of Legion deserters far away on Argus. Allowing them in would be bullshit undermining warlock and DH but even DK class fantasy.
This just makes me utterly sad, that Warcraft isn't what it used to be. Beings that lived thousands of years doing evil, just accepted back into the good guys ranks. They should've joined the HORDE, the horde who've seen many people at their lowest can understand and give a chance to a new race the alliance less so, they've been made utterly perfectly lately and need to keep the old flaws. That fact most humans hated the Orcs, and refused to see them as equals the same that came from Nightelves not accepting the nightborne would happen here imo, as nice as Prophet velen is.. its just meh. If they just wanted a new custom skin whatever but it makes the story worse imo. Forgiving the one dude is much different than forgiving a large group of them large enough to become a custom choice imo
@@scorpiowarrior7841 Its very sad because i'd be more okay if these were like Challenge or skill checks like the mage tower, you play through a hard encounter to earn the right and be one of a FEW able to change your character to something that doesn't make sense like a Tauren rogue for that really good rogue player who's class doesn't matter kinda thing. But since Blizz are "bring the player not the class, even though we screw class balancing all the time" its still the same everyone can sit at the kids table so its not unfair when people start sitting at the adult table others can't reach. I found wow much more interesting when i got the black proto drake and others couldn't it held value, and make people aspire to get better at the game.. now days it'd be payment for it.. but still if they fixed bots (which they'll never do) and made things unobtainable unless you take part in that content (like glad mounts !?!?! oh right they wanna be esporty)
Forreal, if they wanted to go with a redeeming arc they could have at least given them a sentencing...? Like put them in magical lightforged chains ⛓️ while they serve the draenei. All the while they're serving in the alliance they are in constant misery as the light works slowly to change their irredeemable bits and remove their fel-ishness: a physically painful process that makes them super angry moody edgelords 😂
I doubt even the Horde would have accepted them in actually. Given their history not just with the orcs, but also the nightborne would make it unbelievable. At the most, the Horde would be willing for an uneasy alliance, but nothing else.
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That Thumbnail alone is a certified Hood Classic.
Poor velen:(
We really are getting every single draenei-related race before the one that was actually the most requested, aren't we?
Part of me believes that KJ would’ve also abandoned the Legion. He seems pretty upset that following sargeras’
plans always led him to failure.
not just that but he actually seemed upset that this lets call it a civil war was still ongoing, i dont think he took pleasure in killing his own kind but it was a "the end justifies the means" situation for him
@@vhaelen326 You're arguing in good faith about Kil'jaeden... the deceiver himself.
I mean even deceiver tend to show their true color when they're on their last breath.
i mean dont take his word for it. go to tomb of sargeras and watch the ending cutscene. not to excuse the awful things KJ did, but he did show remorse in his final moments.@@DavidPachón8591
Kil'jaeden was the one who never stopped hunting the exiled ones (Draenei) This was never an explicit order from Sargeras, it was personal for KJ to prove Velen wrong aka wipe them all out. At some point he could've just stopped and let them be, but no 😅 This is just Blizzard again loosing connection between old vs new lore - nothing new.
I really think Man'ari Draenei should have been their own race, like the Lightforged.
Also, I'm really interested in the Ata'mal Crystals, I think the yare so fascinating, most likely because I'm a huge fan of Green Lantern, so I'd like to more of them, especially the ones that are still unaccounted for.
“Looks like Team Velen are blasting off again!!”
- Traditional Draenei chant when fleeing a planet to escape the Burning Legion.
🚀 To extend our reach to the stars above: Velen!🕺Sargeras!💃
Did you expect to win when you've already been beaten in TBC?? Think Kil'jaeden Think!!
I imagine the Lightforged are losing their collective sh*t about all of this
I mean apparently they also allow warlocks in their rank now, so they probably don't care.
Kinda silly if you ask me
My draenei warlock got herself green fire and was immediately turned red. I'd love a broken allied race / customisation. I have a paladin (also currently red) that I would turn broken in an instant if it was a customisation. If an allied race I'd delete her and re-level (altoholic).
The broken are not supposed to use the light, read about Nobundo and you would realize that's egregious.
@@DavidPachón8591 When will you learn that Blizzard does not care. Lightforged draenei can be warlocks for christ's sakes. Man'ari eredar can be paladins.
"Oh so... you turned on your own people, took the fel corruption, killed untold millions over thousands of years, mass genocide in a galactic scale... and now that your boss is gone, you want so come back? Sure, let's let bygones be bygones. Water under the bridge and all that. You're forgiven with no questions asked. Now come wander Stormwind freely and no one will kill you,. even though you deserve it a thousand times over. Welcome!"
The light is actually just Jesus because of how quick people forgive on azeroth lol
That's just Velen's character, he has always been forgiving to anybody who seeks it.
The Blood Elves who kidnapped and tortured, essentially one of their gods/saviors, he preformed the rites that would allow that Naaru to sacrifice itself to save the Blood Elves.
The Orcs who committed genocide on a grand scale against their people, turned their bodies into fuel for their invasion and bones for their construction were forgiven, even Durotan who personally killed his best friend even after his friend spared Durotan's life after defeating him previously.
Nearly was about to say Garrosh could be forgiven even after he personally almost killed and crippled his apprentice before being interrupted by Jaina.
Kil'Jaedin after he spent personally 10,000 years trying to ruin Velen's life was forgiven and Velen even offered him his last rites.
The Horde after the War of Thrones going so far as to extend an invitation to Zekhan and Rexxar to come see Azuremyst while they were journeying around the world.
The only person that Velen never forgave was Tal'Gath the guy he trusted to protect his family, that sold out their escape plan to the Legion, that killed his wife and tortured and turned his son into an Man'ari.
He even forgave you the player after you killed his son despite pleading when he realized who his son was before you killed him in front of him, while also in the process forgiving his son for killing the Naaru who personally saved the Draenei from Argus in front of him.
Velen has literally been fucked over more than literally any other character in Wow, enduring like 3 different genocides, losing his entire family, having to escape to like 3 different planets, watching like 12 of his race's saviors/gods be killed or tortured and losing like 50 best friends along the way and he's still passing out forgiveness like it's candy
@@Evan-mt7bc No? Even when he last saw Kil'jaeden, Velen was still judging him, he didn't completely forgive his actions.
Velen is a good and wise leader, but he isn't naive. There are unforgivable crimes, and these eredar committed worse than anything we can find even in real life.
Similarly, you can't compare literally any other race or faction to the Legion either, they are the worst, by far. Besides this, even if Velen accepted their demon kin back, nobody would agree with it. Not the Alliance, not the Horde, and especially not the other draenei.
They would probably even question his sanity, after murdering every single Man'ari who came to Azeroth of course
12:44 Velen: I would be honored to meet with any friend of yours Hatuun!
*sees it’s a Man’ari*
Velen: (Immediately shackles him)
Wait.... so ligthforged becomes an allied race but manari is just a skin color in character creation? Lol
Velen must be like damn, look who came crawling back.
Already played this questline, just came to say how great that thumbnail is.
Remember how the lightforged draenei were a separate allied race?
The Krokuun Broken should’ve been the Allied Race instead of lightforged
Pepperidge Farm remembers
@@Herel78would have been unfair towards the horde's players cuz we also just got the highmountain tauren that were basically the same as the regular tauren just with different horns.
@@jcs7206but didn't you get a new race when we got gnomes 2.0
That Thumbnail is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
So why exactly Hatuun hates Velen, when he willingly sacrificied himself to save him and allow him and the people flee ? Like, Velen must thought its suicidal mission, their world destroyed...
Because he is bitter after thousands of years I guess. I always thought he is a bit of an a-hole. Velen even said that he needn't sacrifice himself but Hatuun did anyway
A heroic death is what he expect3d, but he ended up cut off from the light and painfully mutated. Add on several thousand years on a hellscape that used to be your former planet, and it's enough to make anyone a little irrationally hostile.
Now all we need is Fel Crusade orcs! Or the rumoured Classic expansion......if its true *taken with a grain of salt *
I was confused how we were able to get to the planet if the rift was closed... and to find out its just the teleports.. man that is lazy lol
That thumbnail is magic
nobbel, is there a lore reason why the dark iron look so different from the other dwarves, like did ragnaros transform them after he made them his bitches or is it just to make them recognizable as enemies in game or some other purely visual reason ?
This is what allied races should have been, more customizations added to the base race instead of adding a race that doesn´t bring much to the game and now is even less customizable then the original race, ate this point Blizz should consolidate them and make everything just cosmetic options that can be unlocked with the race quest just like this one.
So odd that we're supposedly able to just return to Argus, despite it now being an immeasurable distance away in the galaxy again after the ending of legion. This just makes no sense. Perhaps I shouldn't expect much, but to me it devalues the power of Argus as a location if we can just go there whenever if someone "calls" us. What made it special i felt was that it was just a brief visit, and then never again. I'm a bit disappointed, even though it's just a small optional side thing.
What if we have players unlock different colors of the same model and charge them $15 a month for it?
So if you make a Man'ari, and die, do you spawn in the Twisting Nether?
That would be accurate and awesome
The link between the legion and the twisting nether should be severed now since Argus which was the fuel for that was destroyed. When killed all demons should remain permanently dead at this point.
@@Evan-mt7bc Not at all. It was said the Legion only used Argus' energies to speed up the natural regeneration process. Demons still won't die a permanent death unless you kill them in the Twisting Nether, as that is the realm they originate from.
Honestly I wanted the Broken to be the allied race instead of the Lightforged. Because back before they made pretty much all classes available to all races like Warlocks and Rouges. I wanted to have the broken be an allied race for the fact we could have Dreanai Warlocks and Rouges. ANd it made sense lore wise. If I was a broken on argus, I'd would happy accept the chance to escape for a better life
great thumbnail good sir
Cue reforging the crystal being the mcguffin plot-line of 11.0 Light and Void
holy shit that thumbnail, you get a thumbs up just for that.
Are there black draenei with red eyes that make the red skins with green fel eyes look holy and pure?
I would love playable naga, I can only dream of lol
isn't there some prophecy about the 7 becoming one is it about the crystals?
Shame you can’t make warlocks. I think it would be bad ass to have the skull of the man’ari as a Man’ari.
.....okay, Why did Durotan do what he did in Terokkar? Is there a novel that explains that?
Yap rise of the horde! In essence he didn't have much of a choice
If Blizzard writers joined the marvel team Thanos would be an Avenger by now
I really like the way you do story time, would you be willing to do the same for the lore of Final Fantasy 14, especially for those who don't have time to play the game but want to know about the story?
can velen meet soul of kil'jaeden in shadowlands.
and also souls of his wife and son rakeesh.
Hey Nobbel! Not on the topic of the video but I’m unsure we’re to leave questions for you nowadays. (I used to watch you about 10 years ago when you did Q&A’s)
I’ve recently gotten back into the game after a 9 year hiatus and I was wondering have you read the new Sylvanas novel?
yes! and discord/twitter usually good place to find me discord.gg/2tMzStpDQv
@@Nobbel87 oh my god I cannot believe I missed you replying to me!
First of all, I’m a massive fan I cannot believe you actually replied!
Thank you so much!
How do you start the questline?
12:08 max level char can pick it up infront of Stormwind Keep
Imagine if we could have added Broken to the Draenei customization? Or an Ally race?
So basicly the naru's name is cory.
Retail Eredar: uwu we'we weawwy weawwy swowwy fuh all duh genocidin'
😂😂😂
wtb broken shaman
So honestly I was underwhelmed which this questline the whole I want to atone for my sins shtick is very basic and the customizations only add a few colors of skins and a couple different eye options it’s literally the same as a Draenei when it should have been a fully fleshed out allied race I’m still waiting on more trolls like Amani to be customizable I mean what about fel orc? Or what about drakonids or even vrykul (or some form of them) the mummy warp guys from Outland or even ogres we need more allied races and less minor customizations to represent a whole race and culture of people how much sense does it make for a man ari to start at the same beginning as normal Draenei it makes zero sense lore wise
they should've been an allied race instead
Man'ari priests or paladins... let that sink in
Undead druid and shaman, tauren rogue...
@@bakshev The Tauren can hide in cherry trees by painting their hooves red though
That's not something new, Tyrant Velhari was a paladin. Being man'ari doesn't prevent you from wielding the light. Also even if it would there are worse combinations that are complete nonsense like lightforge shadowpriests and voidelf holy priest.
@@thelith shadow priest is a spec aswell as holy which is not the same as saying a race corrupted to the root should wield the light.
@@DavidPachón8591 why shouldnt? Anyone can wield the light as long as they beleive they are worthy of wielding it. Being a spec only doest change a thing,
kinda glad that they already destroyed any integrity the story has before this, i would be mad about it otherwise
U mean unlock a red skin with no fell fissures and nothing else, blizz is so lazy
and green eyes.
@ElFelix88 You say that as you keep giving them more and more money because you're addicted to their games. Incoming lie to protect your ego by saying you stopped playing their games knowing it's a damn lie.
@@scorpinok3006yet you watch video about wow lol
@@scorpinok3006I'm with him they should have done better with this, they have the features literally locked behind a fcking Toy for absolutely no plausible reason, why not just add the shit to customization and be done with it
Oh yeah these guys get a pass. And yet garrosh gets dishonored and ridiculed for far less.The double standards are real.
Garrosh never repent, even in afterlife. He never saw what he did was wrong.
Clickbait Thumbnail = reference to Omni-Man’s *THINK ... THINK* meme [ 👉 😠 👈 ]
😂😂😂😂
So we are getting Eredar huh? Man this game is cringe and completly out of control.
Lame, at least no official decree like with the other questionable outcasts so nothing has changed. There arejust bunch of Legion deserters far away on Argus. Allowing them in would be bullshit undermining warlock and DH but even DK class fantasy.
This just makes me utterly sad, that Warcraft isn't what it used to be.
Beings that lived thousands of years doing evil, just accepted back into the good guys ranks.
They should've joined the HORDE, the horde who've seen many people at their lowest can understand and give a chance to a new race the alliance less so, they've been made utterly perfectly lately and need to keep the old flaws.
That fact most humans hated the Orcs, and refused to see them as equals the same that came from Nightelves not accepting the nightborne would happen here imo, as nice as Prophet velen is.. its just meh.
If they just wanted a new custom skin whatever but it makes the story worse imo.
Forgiving the one dude is much different than forgiving a large group of them large enough to become a custom choice imo
I mean for the sake of customization, blizz has fucked up the story. Tauren rogues, LIGHTFORGED DEATH KNIGHTS, ROGUES, AND FUCKING WARLOCKS....
@@scorpiowarrior7841 Its very sad because i'd be more okay if these were like Challenge or skill checks like the mage tower, you play through a hard encounter to earn the right and be one of a FEW able to change your character to something that doesn't make sense like a Tauren rogue for that really good rogue player who's class doesn't matter kinda thing.
But since Blizz are "bring the player not the class, even though we screw class balancing all the time" its still the same everyone can sit at the kids table so its not unfair when people start sitting at the adult table others can't reach.
I found wow much more interesting when i got the black proto drake and others couldn't it held value, and make people aspire to get better at the game.. now days it'd be payment for it.. but still if they fixed bots (which they'll never do) and made things unobtainable unless you take part in that content (like glad mounts !?!?! oh right they wanna be esporty)
Forreal, if they wanted to go with a redeeming arc they could have at least given them a sentencing...? Like put them in magical lightforged chains ⛓️ while they serve the draenei. All the while they're serving in the alliance they are in constant misery as the light works slowly to change their irredeemable bits and remove their fel-ishness: a physically painful process that makes them super angry moody edgelords 😂
I doubt even the Horde would have accepted them in actually. Given their history not just with the orcs, but also the nightborne would make it unbelievable. At the most, the Horde would be willing for an uneasy alliance, but nothing else.
Its so bad......
Why is Nobbel struggling to pronounce a Naaru's name the funniest part of the video? 😂
thank you for letting me see this story I otherwise never would have witnessed. Disgusting alliance and even more revolting space goats