Most Powerful Nation in EU4 MP? Europa Universalis IV Multiplayer Power Tier List
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This is my tier list on 62 of the most picked Europa Universalis IV multiplayer nations. Please remember this is my opinion based off of different aspects of the game, if you disagree that's totally fine!
This tier list is entirely focused on power and potential power in a big multiplayer lobby.
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Title of Video: Most Powerful Nation in EU4 MP? Europa Universalis IV Multiplayer Power Tier List
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finaly i can be good in multiplayer now i just need friends to beat
I am so good at multiplayer!
Except the "multi" part..
I mean if ur GMT time zone ill play with u man
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Good vid. I play a lotta MP and this is pretty accurate. Some corrections:
+ Aztec is B-tier at least, bc you can reform your government without Europeans before 1500 by flipping animist. Then you get the American Prussia ideas, the gov reform bonuses including +1 colonist, and can easily colonize 1/2 of the Americas with no player threats by the time Europeans get there. But yea, its early game is tough -- but arguably not as hard as Mams/Ottos who have to fight a player deathwar on day 1.
+ Aragon > Castile is a hot take and I think you might be right. But it's almost never played in MP and needs more testing. Keeping Naples is a big deal, and Aragon is great for forming Spain, but Castile is stronger at the start and has a gold mine. If there are aggressive/good Morocco and France players it's simply too dangerous to play Aragon as you'll get rolled and lose Iberia. But if you can guarantee you'll survive til adm tech 10, then sure Aragon > Castile.
+ I'd downgrade Denmark a level. They have a good starting position and strong naval ideas, but will almost inevitably be forced off the mainland by Prussia and partitioned by GB & Russia by 1650. I've seen this happen so many times in MP it's just laughable. But they can have a decent early game.
+ Muscovy is arguably kebab-tier with a good player. Russia is the strongest nation late-game, and they can usually form it easily. Their only problem is a semi-tough early game, but even then they're fine. Tons of MP games end with terrifying Russias that can take on 2-3 players at a time.
+ Venice should be higher because they can form Dalmatia, and because they start out as the strongest Italian. Just make a deal with the Ottomans and sell your islands if you have to, and make a deal with Austria (e.g. give them subsidies). Alternatively, just ally France - they'll be willing as you're cucking Austria. Then you can dominate Italy.
+ Bahmanis is probably above Vij because they can almost always win the inevitable early-game war. That war (like Mams-Ottos) always starts before 1450 with 2 players, and Bahmanis has far better quality.
+ Milan is A-tier because of amazing dev modifiers and god-tier government, they can play tall better than anyone else. I most often see Milan form Italy. Ofc you can get killed early by Austria/France during the PU event, but you can almost always ally one of them and then that's not a problem. Just do your diplo!
I forgot to say this when I first saw this, but thank you for putting the time to write this, much appreciated! I always want to learn and get better!
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You don’t need to be bordering Europeans to complete all religious reforms as the Aztecs just switch to animist by purposely losing a war early on. Then develop the first two institutions, then switch back by taking one the provinces that gives you a free switch back. You can just go through all the reforms once you have the first two institutions
The zlewikk way
1.4k hours and never played compatative mp. Maybe I just should start after this video. Nice video!
I’m starting a lobby that will play every Saturday for 4 hours. I’m waiting for the next patch tho
same, 1.5k hours, mostly because my high school friends didnt play it, but college friends do
Had played almost 3Khrs when I first joined multiplayer, Its 10x more fun
I think ranking the best to worst formable nations only would be cool, like Mughals to Westphalia
Yoooo I’m going to do this tomorrow!
@@AbsoluteHabibi Scandinavia S tier, lol
@@antares6167 dam right
So some nations can just destroy everything but if they are nice and merciful they can let some other nations live too so the game has more flavour and more fun
Russia is absolute №1 country in current patch, it has the strongest late game, and it has the strongest start of all it's neigbours, and even coalition of all of its neigbours will struggle against good Moscovy player.
yeah but they have no good unrest ideas so they usually struggle in longer wars, ironically.
@@KKsKrissvs121 nah not true u can easily convert all of ur land to orthodox and ortho has -2 unrest... and again most rebellions can be solved with a single stack... so that shouldn't be an issue considering the quanitity it has >.
@@bellium7023 its extremely painful to deal with it, definitely there is a big psichological issue for the player
Poland will shit on Muscowy early unless Muscowy gets strong allies. If they reach late game they are beastly but early on Poland is so much stronger. I've seen it many times in multiplayer games where Poland allies Sweden and then Muscowy dies before 1500.
@@PascalSWE nah muscovy is stronger till 3rd idea set because muscovy gets its mil bonuses sooner than poland after that poland is stronger from 3-4 idea sets , then russia beats poland again
In my lobbies Timurids is usually banned, because it forces the Indians to hugbox to stop them.
you put brunswick in a tier, but cologne and hamburg in b tier? thats outrageous.
You are probably right actually
Coalitions in Japan are broken though. The AI will enter into coalitions, yes, but when they attack you it doesn't actually call in anyone. So basically you'll just have a bunch of OPMs attacking you alone, making it easy to separately peace them out. I've steamrolled japan as Shimazu within 30 years several times before (admittedly in SP ironman though).
I do still think it might be a bit better to play Uesugi for their consistency though.
I really like such kind of videos about eu4.I finally can choose one suitable from the hundreds of nations to play. Ah great.
The Great Horde would be in this list. It has more and stronger competitors than Oirats, but still has significant snow ball opportunities. Also GH may ally with Ottomans and even Timurids. With its superior troops at the begining and, adventagous terrain modifier; Great Horde can rush against to Muscovite and, hold muscovy very early.
I would place it to A tier.
Yo dude I like ur vides but please boost your voice audio you are considerable lower than the average TH-cam on multiple videos imo otherwise keep up the good work
Honestly both Shimazu and Oda are just as easy as Hosokawa and Uesugi and are actually better thanks to their superior military ideas which is hands down the most important aspect of national ideas in multiplayer. You just need to be an experienced player in Japan and as long as you're the only Japanese player in the multiplayer lobby you can still form Japan within 20-30 years consistently. The trick is to manage your truces properly and declare(and not peace out) a lot of wars before going after the Shogun, to reduce the amount of allies the Shogun will have against you when you're ready to challenge him. Than you fight the Shogun, peace out those previous wars you've already won than finish off the Shogun and annex/integrate all the remaining Daimyos(those that didn't join the emperor and weren't annexed by you in those stretched out wars). In fact the only advantage Hosokawa and Uesugi have over Oda and Shimazu is saving a small amount of monarch points from coring as they start with more development, and maybe a war or 2 less depending on how the Japanese wars progress in that specific game. It's not like Japan's ideas are bad, they're very good too, but aimed more at single player with the global settlers, AE, Prestige and institution bonuses. Oda for example only has 3 ideas that don't impact your army, and those are core reduction and province war cost, goods produced and tech cost, which are all very good in their own right. The rest help your military out, be it manpower, army quality or general quality which are obviously all amazing, especially for multiplayer. Shimazu is similar, though arguably a bit weaker than Oda but still arguably better than Japan's in terms of military based ideas alone though it's closer. So either they should all be at A tier or actually Hosokawa and Uesugi should be at B as they will use Japan's ideas when forming it rather than the superior Oda/Shimazu ideas.
A strat for butua i see people do is they will play the tribal nation and they can actually get western tech by playing the tribal nation so it makes the way better late game
what's a "Xin Zhao" player? wait what ?? League?
Ming player I suppose (China)
@@Zwijger to be honest I think he meant Jianzhou
Anyone have a discord server with people that play eu4 regularly? The MP games I play are public lobbies with a lot of randoms that leave after 1 session.
discord.gg/CU9GUxf join my discord, we are starting a MP server after the next major update
No Lithuania? Even when they inherit Poland and keep insane bonuses? ;( Anyways great video!
No because their ideas are weak
25:00 You say you cant form japan with oda in 30 years ? HAH I FORM JAPAN WITH ODA IN 20 YEARS.
For real, their armies are immortal in japan dude. You just slaughter the ai in japan and the ideas are crazy.
Edit : I want to add, I played in japan area a lot so I know ae is just a number in japan. I can form japan with hosokawa in 15 years but 5 years difference is not that big so going for higher ideas is better. I'm serious btw oda is like prussia in japan. You can fight against 10k with 5-6k in defensive province.
But I play Oda in Japan and I always seppuku-ed
@@Razgriz032 If you have higher than %50(I dont remember the name, the liberation thing) they cant seppuku you(At least ai doesnt). So just rush for development(by conquering) and keep your armies high numbers, that way you can get rid of seppuku.
shimazu have better ideas
You didn't mention Ming. Is it banned in MP?
Heyy, new Habibi video :D
Are Qing and Yuan in the s tier as well just like their predecessors?
nice man
what about jaunpur, bohemia and malacca?
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I’d play that one
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i think its timmy if it has good allies such as ottos. eat the vassals. form the mughals and wham
Why Brandenburg and pope so high? Should be 1 tier above Florence/genoa at best. Late game strenght alone isn't enough for high tier, espicially if they can struggle greatly in early/mid game to get there, high tier nations should all have relatively easy access to late game strength do to having a great early game.
Pope? they can have diplomatic power, but late game, they are weaker than the other Italians, early game, they are dependent on a nice Austria, and can be easily cornered into a relatively weak nation, they only get being the pope to stand out against other arguably better mid/late game Italian nations.
Why Sweden>Denmark, Sweden literally starts as a PU to Denmark, It can get into a stronger position than Sweden much earlier than Sweden and go from there, can even culture switch to Prussian if it wanted to easier than most. Sweden's 'advantage' is it gets to eat denmark/norway in relative isolation before it acts greatly outside of Scandinavia, something Denmark can do early. Sweden is the more fun nation of the 2 to play, but that don't make it better.
Korea has expansion into Manchuria and can later threaten japan, as well as be in prime position to take colonialism from Europe, should be higher.
Ayutthaya is in a decent position to take the Malacca's trade node and take over most of Indochina, they aren't weak and in a good position to be strong late game, Definitely more so than Kongo, Benin and Ethiopia.
Venice is a underdog, but more akin to burgundy to France or mamelukes to ottoman style underdog, not some food nation. They can switch off merchant republic relativily early, but early game is far more important to late game, should be around B tier.
You are underrating a lot of relatively boring to play nations, which usually don't make late game do to being boring to play, not because they aren't strong, and can easily be stronger than their higher tiered counterpart. Also you overrepresent nations with a poor early game that often denies said nations any future past 1500.
A lot of poor takes here.
@Matheus Kawata
Most of this is about relative tier placement
-Brandenburg can form Russia, very good for the late game, that is far from guaranteed and many good players will prevent it. Every nation can do well with the right alliances. My point is they have to survive the early game in a coalition prone location and needs diplomacy to avoid getting cucked. Most high tiers should be able to do well in the early game unless they get terrible diplomacy (say whole lobby decides to delete ottoblob Day 1 for example).
-Sweden is stronger in the late game assuming everything else is identical. They are lower because they have to gain independence then spend 50 or so years consolidating land that Denmark effectively starts with. All while Denmark can be expanding outside of said starting land and be well ahead of where Sweden would be at an equivalent point in time. Denmark is in a better position to contain Russia(or the PLC) than Sweden is. Sweden is always playing catchup to Denmark unless Denmark is either contained/defeated by outsiders. Its kind of like saying Byzantium is better than otto's because Orthodox>Sunni and Byz eventually gets all of otto's normal land, while an otto's player can be well over 1000 dev by the time Byz eats starting otto's land, though a less extreme difference.
-Jurchian players have the same problems, any expanding player has had problems with AI alliance blocks cutting them off. This is problem that both the Jurchian and Korea player will have to deal with. Also if there is a China player, both players are screwed with no hope anyway. That said an aggressive Korea player is more than capable of expanding into the tribes, while also maintaining an excellent defensive position (which can outright stop a Jurchan players expansion) or gain a substantial lead. Korea is at minimum even with the Jurchain player early game, (and possibly worse late game do to ideas and similar) so should be tiered evenly or 1 below, not the whole tier list lower. Jurchain tribes are usually funner than Korea and have a better late game, which makes that seen alot more in multiplayer, you need to factor in all the points of failure well before then in a competitive tierlist.
- Venice statement is more of an agreement than anything.
Everyone always say that the ottomans are strong, but in everyone of my (admittedly only 6 completed campaigns), they get absolutely stomped by the Mamluks, Byzantium, Venice and Hungary In the first 20 to 60 years.
Multiplayer is different than single player bro.
If everyone in the lobby is same skill level, the ottoman player will be top dog for most of the game.
Ottomans before tech 5? Maybe. Ottoman after tech 5? Yeah Good Fucking luck mate
@@AbsoluteHabibi Im playing Multiplayer Games since now 3 Years and Otto and France get devided every time if you play with a competent lobby. But in a for fun lobby this tier list is 100% accurate (which i think this is directed to)
Could u do this for sp aswell?
Sure!
Great Habibi, where are the naval asians, So and Madyas?
Where is the Great Horde? I heard that is powerful nation.
its in there :)
I'm supprised there wasn't an ulm tear.
How are Portugal and Castile both A tier? That's insane.
Castile has better Ideas, better missions, better events, far better starting economy and can get free P.U's everywhere.
Portugal only even exists if the Castilian player allow him to.
Also, a Moroccan player can easily 1v1 a Portuguese player, its not even close. Castile is the only threat. If Portugal eats up Morocco that's only because Castile was their ally and did it for them.
Portugal in multiplayer is D tier at most.
You must be a bad Portugal. If Castile turns on you he dies to France and Aragon.
@@dylanb2990
Its not that I struggle to survive as Portugal, but my Castilian playthroughs are always far easier and far more successful than anything I can pull off as Portugal.
Castile can easily dominate the game, Portugal is just there in the corner doing its own thing and being a pushover.
Besides, Aragon almost always rivals Portugal at start and France is always Rival to Portugal's Ally England.
Castile can get France as an ally far more easily than Portugal can. Castile has a much better potential ally choices early on than Portugal, who is stuck with England.
Besides that is not even an argument, even Cyprus is untouchable if they ally the Ottomans. Objectively speaking Portugal has *nothing* over Castile. Nothing. Castile is by far a much better tag at everything, anytime.
1:19 . Don't say might. Say "it will." France always allies the ottomans.
Could you do a an update to this list now that the last dlc has arrived
Byzantines, though fun in singleplayer, probably not wise to play in multiplayer lol
A decent option to reform into though
Spain is banned?
Am i blind or is there no bohemia here? They are pretty big im surprised
Shinto mughals! Thats the most op nation in the game
Mameluks should be top with ottos, becuase if they win early vs ottos, which they should do if they dont get a useless king, they can form Rum.
Russia should be top aswell with westphalia, which is just under Prussian ideas.
Poland should also be top with ottos etc becuase they are really, really strong later on, best units in game with Prussia.
Austria is strong early, but got kinda useless ideas and useless dev land, so you have to expand fast into bavaria or pu it, but i would put it in A tier.
Denmark is useless, should be d tier.
Milan should be top tier.
Why is qq a tier?
Hungary is a weak a tier, they can either kill ottos or take the land after mameluks kills ottos.
Wait is the correct play to move your trade capital to safi as portugal?
i dont think so.
castille node is a lot more powerfull.
you just make insane trade fleet to steal all the power from castille if you dont destroy them
Where is Bohemia? Is it banned or not fun to play in MP?
It’s banned in a lot of MP lobbies unfortunately
@@AbsoluteHabibi TY
I played one when there was no Austria player and had a grand time. You can expand against a Poland or Hungary quite easily if you diplo right since they will be threatened by even stronger foes than you on their opposite borders(Ottomans and Russia are natural allies for you)
Your gold mine is awesome, your mission tree is awesome, Hussites are fun, you can nip a potential Prussia in the bud, etc. Just make sure to make either Hungary or Poland your friend.
Can you reupdate this tier list
35:28🙂
No Mewar, Jaunpur or Great Horde but has Byzantium, Novgorod, Holland or Genoa with legit no mil/navial potential. With Your picks i can see you play open lobby or with friends and have no idea how powerful some countries can be. Especially when you consider Aragon S tier when there is always Castile player when some1 plays Aragon.
And if some1 tells me "But uhhhh holland has navial ideas" ye and needs 2 strong allies to win with burgundy which probly will be a player. And dont forget that you have England and Castile player 99% of the times.
I'd remove 50% of this countries and add a few, this is some cringefiesta
Where are the Ming? D:
Ming is banned at MP games
how can i install this game
Florence? B tier for me. Tuscany area is so much dev early game.
Also QQ is B. Solid alternative for Mamluks.
Ming doesn't get a rating? I want to know what Ming is rated as.
Charlisimo most people ban ming i think, ming is way too easy for a player to steamroll with
@@ODSTspam3 thank you
you have reason, Ming should be on the leaderboard,
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongle_Emperor%27s_campaigns_against_the_Mongols
Ming is the only country manages to invades Mongolia and defeat the Mongols in their homelands, than with Admirak Zheng He, they have the biggest fleets in the World at that time,
@@Emilechen super boring to play though
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Russia, premium tier
Ulm
Is it possible to stop the reformation as the pope in a multiplayer lobby?
??? where is ming. Ming S tier