@@markwatson1973 Notice that legacy media journalists are no longer travelling on planes with Keir Starmer or hanging on his every word. Even lefty scribblers have opened their eyes.
@@ohdearism People aren't stupid. They know that Tories took us backward for 14 years, but the changes and solutions (arguably the basics) should be so obvious (help small businesses directly, don't bloat the public sector even more, secure borders) yet they've given hand outs to their Islington base and targeted their enemy (older voters and farmers, for now). People know whatever Tories did, this Labour govt are dreadfully stupid and dangerous to the economy overall.
@@ManForToday Which people? When did you get nominated to speak for every body? Who voted for you? Your opinions are yours. speak for yourself, nobody else. The first sign of a know it all, is that they think they speak for everybody. When they don't. Don't try and speak for me.
No one wants farage and the bully boys, they have nothing to give but running this country down has no respect splitting the country with his rubbish we have starmer and Labour he will bring the country together eventually ,
Imagine hearing a news report on a network such as this one about some South or Central American state, maybe one in middle Asia or Africa, where the leader had 'suspended elections', and how that would be framed politically.
Starmer wants to address inequality, and that is pissing off the Right wing media and the asset rich 20-30%, the boomers! And he is too much of a coward to mention Brexit! That has made the UK measurably poorer!
Was getting into power, that act, going to repair 14 years of stagnation and incompetence in a few months, with a bad Brexit thrown in? I do not remember them saying that they had magic wands!!
@@DavidWilliams-p1n Catastrophe is where the Tories left us. it's why they were kicked out. Our schools are literally falling down. The NHS is beyond desperate, public services are all broken. Borrowing to the max to pay for Covid, and the economy is in the toilet. The public knew this very well by the end of the Tories rule. No one should expect anything to get better quickly when the government has no room to borrow and no room to tax. Money doesn't magic itself out of nowhere.
@@linmal2242and look at the freefall from that? It was huge for the Monarchy. They are in a precarious situation enough, there is no way they CAN put forward their thoughts on Starmer without a terrible reaction. Which is a great shame, having KClll saying he has no faith in his government would be perfect for the UK but it’s a pipe dream.
@@linmal2242 Ok, Elon. You need to brush up on our Westminster Parliamentary System, as you clearly have no idea. You may be a part of the current problem, which is total ignorance.
Then when the s**t hits the fan turn to AI, his deus ex machina - starmers genius epiphany that nobody else could ever conceive - AI will make us more efficient - that's 99% of the work done, now he just needs a couple of boffins who actually know what AI means to figure it all out and fix the country
Vat on private school fees, thousands of children no school places, Keir starmer has his holidays and trips all over the world. He is having great fun. Please don't treat us as fools.
I'm not surprised at their unpopularity. They won their majority on just over 33% of the vote. That's hardly a hearts and minds win. People quite obviously were just fed up with the Tories, not in love with Labour and their policies.
Supreme irony is that Starmer ran for Labour on a "I'm not corbyn" platform and then proceeded to get less votes than Corbyn against a weak and divided opposition.
No they didn't get that much they won on 20% of eligible voters. It was worst result for an incoming government since 1945. Even Sir Free Gear was down 17% on his previous vote. Why hasn't anyone ever asked why starmer got the top seat after such a short time in politics. He's thoroughly unfit for the task. Not so much the son of a tool maker as just a tool.
It was 20% of voters, a record low turnout was the only reason they got a bit over 30. Even bLiar got a bit over 40% of the vote & that was in his final term - and after he was past his 'popularity', and had taken us into a massively protested and illegal war!!!
How can the FT lady support Labour - biggest tax hike in 40 years, inheritance tax on farmers, removing winter fuel benefit for pensioners, increase in NI tax, huge increase in debt - they are finished.
@Sparky5960 Psy Ops. I watched Sky report on current financika crisis that explained how it had occurred with graphs and figures and explained businesses unease because of NI etc.. and forcing prices up. Where as the BBC reported it was all Trumps fault. 😆 C4 and BBC are just the propaganda arms of Labour.
The economy is about to tank, inflation has not factored in public sector pay, price rises or mass unemployment. Give it 9 months the country will be on it's knees.
People are SICK of politicians saying one thing and making it sound like they care and then doing the opposite. We are SICK of the theater style rhetoric. We are SICK of being out in second third or fourth place behind other interests. We are SICK of knowing that our government, police and media hate us
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons: 1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% ! 2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened. 3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms. 4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer. I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
For goodness sake, the answer is in front of your noses. Why do you think Reform is shooting up the charts? Look to them and their policies and you will get an idea of why Labour is unpopular.
Reform can promise the Earth because they know at this stage they will not have to deliver on their policies. Reform get a whole host of free press on every form of media going, despite only having 5 MP's (I know their vote share is high, but Lib Dems and Greens barely get a sniff of publicity). This is why their popularity are soaring. Reform are not the answer. Farage only cares about his own fame, power and finances. Popularity does not mean suitable for the job, Johnson was popular for a time.
It's 100% vibes based. Reforms economic policies are almost exactly the same as the Thatcher/Truss policies that broke the economy in the first place, but they're better at selling it (whilst everyone ignores their plans to sell the NHS for an American-style insurance system that will put mothers £20K in debt for giving birth).
when Channel 4, the most staunch supporters of nu-Labour to ever roam the Earth, are this negative about Starmer and Reeves, you know things are really going badly
Four left wing commentators get in a room and try to convince each other that the problem is not significant. Economy - Massive taxes on businesses and changes to employment laws that further hamstring businesses. The Lady from the FT surely is speaking to a very small number of similar leaning businesses or is not listening at all (Like Sir Keir Starmer) - it is frightening the lack of awareness in this programme.
If the destination is "growth" then you dont start by increasing the NI tax on employment and businesses. Because that dampens down growth instead of encouraging it. I know business owners who are now having to make people redundant in order to meet the employer's higher NI contributions. Own goal for Labour.
100% this. It's the most shocking decision in modern politics. Anyone with a basic knowledge of economics will realise it will drive up inflation and drive up unemployment It will also have a potentially crippling effect on GP surgeries who have been told they aren't exempt as they "aren't NHS"
Stopped doing self employed work as a surveyor when I had to pay the minimum of 20 percent income tax and 2 lots of NI, thanks to IR35 at 24 percent leaving me little over half to me. Instead I have retired and put my hand out for freebies.
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons: 1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% ! 2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened. 3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms. 4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer. I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
Tories and Labour basically agree on everything. No wonder people think the only option is reform to actually change anything (guess what, they won’t either)
@@gasnocash5612 Yes we do believe that they'll put the UK first. We know the Tories and Labour will just continue to sell out the country. Reform haven't even been in government yet, so they should be given a chance. Better to try an alternative than to continue with the two party status quo which is unacceptable.
@thewealduk9802 Hahaha, they will put their financial interests first. What has Farage done or said to help his constituents in Clacton? He's too busy sucking up to Trump and the US. Under him we would end up as the 51st US state with private insurance companies running our healthcare and next to zero workers rights.
“Not terribly inspired”, “a bit of a scrappy start” says the obviously Labour-supporting FT person! “People are feeling a bit disappointed”. “A slight whiff of desperation”. These rank as THE understatements of the 2020s. The prices I see are still rising alot more than the headline 2.5%. People notice these things. There is one word for all this; incompetence.
That one word perfectly sums up EVERY government, since about 1979... I am 68, and can just remember the Wilson and Heath years... Even then, people thought that things couldn't get any worse.... Now, wearing our much-used rose tinted spectacles, we look back and long for the ' good old days '.....?
The problem in my opinion is that none of the main parties are actually listening to the British public and the issues we are concerned about. They’re all just cracking on with their own agendas and we all feel totally ignored. The arrogance is astounding.
Err.. two close friends have now folded their businesses and staff gone!! They didn't want to fold but it's to much now. No one is spending. The FT woman is deluded.
For me, the problem is the political system in the UK, which produces "large majorities in terms of seats" from a lack of majority in votes. For me that's the big problem the country didn't vote in this number for labour and labour have no plans that are gonna grow the economy, they just talk down the country at every step
Yes, FPTP is a black hole in UK democracy. It's fundamental that we change to proper PR but notice, after a short period of it being discussed it's all gone quiet again (an obvious thing to mention in this discussion but the UK media is in love with the Punch & Judy dynamics of FPTP and wouldn't know what to do if it went).
A chaotic #socialist mess from #labour, and #orwellian #stalinist rule from #starmer, with #reeves not being an economist, so she has no clue about financial management, not even being able to manage her own credit cards.
Turn to Keynesian economics. Rebuild the entire counties infrastructure get everybody grafting earning paying tax and spending. Financial services is for the rich, the rich don't spend!
Haha! That's brilliant mate. The bond market is spiralling out of control, pound crashing, soon interest alone will be 10% of your total budget and your solution is to borrow more. I bet lenders are queing to lend to the UK when our deficit is at 5% and debt to gdp over 100%... Oh wait ! Their not, hence why the bond market is crashing.
@@lestrem11 refusing to work? or is it the fact employers are setting incredibly unrealistic goals, even for "beginner roles" asking for 3-5 years minimum experience. how are people who haven't had much working experience meant to find work when all of them ask for a good amount of your working life just for minimum salary?
@@lestrem11 They're not refusing the work. They can't get the work despite sending in hundreds of applications. Employers can't be bothered to invest or train people. Or they prefer to hire folks from India to come over and do the work instead (see the entire financial and tech sector).
so you want to change from NHS to private health insurance and having a third of claims denied? You want to lose the right to paid holidays, sick leave, maternity leave etc? Everyone being able to have guns so your kids then have to do shooter drills at school? Wow. Weird but okay.
Starmer's popularity decline is not only the economy but his attack on free speech, his going back on his promises, his calling all his opposition far-right plus his inability to stop illegal immigration etc etc.
We deported the highest number of illegal immigrants in January for seven years. Let that sink in, seven years. All those years the tories were letting the number of immigrants grow and grow to help their political agenda of getting people riled up and blaming immigrants for the lack of services etc instead of actually processing them and sending them back.
@@frali7861yesvit was a broad, general enquiry into abuse eg care homes. Grooming gangs were looked at in represented in a subsection within a subsection about Rotherham and mentioned only 1 witness. Hardly a focussed, detailed inquiry. How can useful recommendations about grooming gangs specifically be made and implemented if the inquiry did not look into this phenomena sufficiently? How can we have confidence in that? The children deserve better.
@@frali7861 The enquiry deliberately avoided the truth to spare the careers and liberty of social workers, police and politicians who colluded in the most disgusting cover up in British history. It is probably not possible to have a thorough and transparent enquiry while labour are in power. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. When justice comes it should be jail for those who covered this up and in doing so enabled the rape gangs to continue operating unabated.
Starmer wants AI but energy in the UK is the most expensive in europe,and AI needs a lot of electricity. Reminds me of the quote. 'Fail to plan. Plan to fail. Or lots of common not much sense.
GROWTH IS ALL ABOUT ENCOURAGING NEW BUSINESSES TO START UP , SUPPORTING THE HIGH STREET , LOWERING TAXES ETC ETC , LABOUR HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT STIFLE BUSINESS SINCE THEY UNFORTUNATELY GOT INTO POWER
Let’s be honest, we needed change after 14 years of disaster capitalism but now this? I have never felt less confident in the future of our country. Well done Channel 4, this needs to be be mainstream news.
What has upset people the most is the dishonesty. The whole country needs a slap to wake up-not just the government. So you'll pay for a Netflix membership each month but not health insurance to ensure the NHS you claim to love can survive and work properly?
We already pay for the NHS through National Insurance payments, along with pensions. Entitlement not Benefits. And if the state pension is a benefit, then why is it subject to tax, they don’t tax housing benefits, child benefit. Work that one out!
The Duke of Westminster owns half of Liverpool. Tax that man, and all other recipients of enormous amounts of inherited wealth, could be a start. Tax is only a dirty word to the wealthy
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons: 1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% ! 2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened. 3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms. 4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer. I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
Starmer won the Labour leadership by lying to the party's membership. He went back on every pledge he made within weeks of becoming leader, and his economic plan was pretty much to ask himself what Tony Blair would have done. With very few exceptions what Tony Blair did in power was not dissimilar to what Thatcher or Major would have done. He did fix the NHS, but at that time the neo-liberal economic model had not yet run its course. After 2008, neo-liberalism had literally nothing to offer the general population but the kind of austerity and general decline we experienced under Cameron and Osborne. After that, even most Tories knew their economic model was busted, hence the multiple splits in the party. Since becoming PM, Starmer's approach, rather than trying to create a new social democratic economic model has been to pretend that 2008 never happened. What's more, he has purged the left and surrounded himself with yes men to the extent that there is no possibility of anyone from the Labour Party taking over who can offer a new approach. The Labour Party is screwed and so is the country.
You do realise the UK is losing millionaires at a record pace? We are now second only to China in the millionaire exodus. "Tax the rich" sounds great - but wealthy people are extremely mobile. Wealth taxes are being reversed in other countries because they do not work.
They all left before Labour arrived, the best you can hope for is the middle class, who overwhelmingly voted Labour, Dems, and Greens and can afford it.
The thing that stands out is Starmer can only get higher.... he's already been Knighted and is a " Sir"... so a Lordship is the only conveniently way to get rid of him. He's outplayed his political understanding and indeed ambitions...... basically saying he can... but really he can't....he was a fill in for Corbyn and nothing else and now has to stand aside. It's no longer a two run race in this country with Labour and Conservatives.....they now have Reform not breathing down their necrbut standing proudly on the platform aside them....a political change of winds has changed the way people think and more importantly..... will vote..👍👍👍👍👍👍
These people are so far out of touch with the British people. If the country wasn't in such a dire situation, it would be funny. Will they ever leave the Westminster bubble and have a real look at the state our nations are in?
The issue is Labour hasn't delivered anything different. It isn't just Reform who are climbing up the polls, the SNP look set to regain their substantial lead in Scotland.
In 2008 the EU and US economy was the same size, the US is now double the size of the EU, yet people in this country want to be more like the EU. IT just blows my mind
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons: 1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% ! 2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened. 3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms. 4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer. I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
Ha !... The " plan " is to have NO PLAN at all ! ... That way, it doesn't matter what happens... It is never their fault.... I recall that the Tories seemed to have no plan either... !.... What a bunch of cardboard kettles they all are !
The UK is already experiencing huge hardship...It has been brought about by abiding to the two party system. It's time for some new ideas. Too bad if that makes you feel uncomfortable.
You either a) rejoin the single market b) do an association agreement c) become the US 51st state. We now have less freedom of movement than Belarus and Nepal! That makes the happiness index fall, means productivity fall. You want success, stop thinking Britain is a global power it is NOT. Its a big massive mess that could be solved if people take risks, but British politicians prefer the status quo, that means less money for you and more money for them and if you think reform is the answer, look in the mirror, things will be even worse.
100 year deal with Ukraine for military support and our money??? How DARE he tell us we have a 22 million black hole we have to pay for and thn he does this. Im so raging, he spends our money like water, i HATE HATE HATE him.
In 1979 Thatchers Tories came into government, full of promises. By 1982 she was the most unpopular PM of the 20th century, in the poles. in 1983 Thatcher won the election with a massive majority. Why? Because of the Falklands war, nothing else. She remained massively unpopular but still won another election. She eventually become so unpopular, the Tories got rid of her. Apart from the people at the top whom she gave loads of money to she was almost hated. She wrecked the country. The reason she lasted 11 years was the same reason as always. The press and media are totally controlled by the Tories and their billionaire backers. There was nothing but fictionalised, positive idolising, reports by all the establishment journalists.No matter how bad she was for the country. The same privately educated, oxbridge, class of journalists, working for the same billionaire owned Tory establishment press are now repressing any positive reporting of Labour. They concentrate on politically motivated announcements from establishment organisations such as the CBI and right wing think tanks. The demonstrations by hundreds of the Tory borne and bred farmers, received ten times the coverage that the demonstrations by 10s of thousands of demonstrators for the Palestinians received. This all works for the aggressive privileged and entitled. Not for the lives of the ordinary working voters
You need help plonker. Mighty, magnificent Maggie was a titan, a giant. I started secondary school in 1969/70 and I was soon aware of the catastrophe of socialism and anarchy unions forever striking. This country was in the knacker's yard, an economic basket case. She tamed Commie unions and transformed the country and economy for the better.
You have a point, the media have their own interests and it’s true they lean towards conservatism. Although that does beg the question why they backed Starmer prior to the election 🤔 People aren’t stupid, if they geniunely start seeing an improvement in their daily lives they will continue to vote Labour regardless of what the media says. Same way we continue to protest in support of Palestine despite the lack of coverage. The problem is under the current “Labour” no change is coming and things are going to continue getting gradually worse. The scariest thing about this is if Labour don’t buck up their ideas sharpish, we’re likely heading for a Reform government in 2029
This bit like 9:30-10:00 is deeply dishonest. Rates in the UK have risen substantially higher, more than 2 points in most cases compared to countries like France and Germany.
Due to DEI, interference from party HQ and all forms of political correctness, anyone with character and charisma - who tend to have said and done things considered ‘problematic’ - Labour has a pool of 400 nonentities in the Commons.
There is a very clear shape to Stammerism. One point that has been utterly overlooked in this discussion is that KS implements the directives of the WEF, with a massive focus on net zero and moving to totalitarian control. Once that is understood his policies become very clear.
How Ironic - Channel 4 did their utmost to elect the Labour Government. Anybody with an ounce of sense knew it would be like this. The only surprise is that it has happened quite as quickly as it has.
You know it`s bad when channel four put the boot in.
Absolutely.
@@dcoughla681he was 20 points behind 4 years ago. Channel 4 proving they just do populist politics.
Or plimsole in one persons case ;)
And LBC today!
@@markwatson1973 Notice that legacy media journalists are no longer travelling on planes with Keir Starmer or hanging on his every word. Even lefty scribblers have opened their eyes.
Are these people on the same planet as the rest of us? He's not unpopular, he's largely despised.
My sixteen year old son thinks Starmer is annoying.
The pair of them out to ruin this country pretty obvious what they are up to
Don't be ridiculous 😂
What's going to happen with British politics, it seems they DON'T like ANY of their politicians!
(NO ONE even has 50% approval)
No one wants anyone, and whether people like it or not we have him for the next 4-5 years.
Channel 4 absolutely forced to start conceding that Labour are a complete disaster
6 months, after 14 years of stagnation and kleptocracy. People have short memories.
@@ohdearism People aren't stupid. They know that Tories took us backward for 14 years, but the changes and solutions (arguably the basics) should be so obvious (help small businesses directly, don't bloat the public sector even more, secure borders) yet they've given hand outs to their Islington base and targeted their enemy (older voters and farmers, for now).
People know whatever Tories did, this Labour govt are dreadfully stupid and dangerous to the economy overall.
It's delicious! : )
Through gritted teeth..
@@ManForToday Which people? When did you get nominated to speak for every body? Who voted for you? Your opinions are yours. speak for yourself, nobody else.
The first sign of a know it all, is that they think they speak for everybody. When they don't. Don't try and speak for me.
Simple - Starmer is in power only because the other side screwed up. No one wants them.
Correct
Truth
Not only don't want them, they hate them.
a dreadful bunch of lying, stealing crooks
No one wants farage and the bully boys, they have nothing to give but running this country down has no respect splitting the country with his rubbish we have starmer and Labour he will bring the country together eventually ,
the GE was a vote against the tories not a vote for Kier, the polls are showing the true picture now.
I think people thought that Labour couldn't be any worse than the Tories.
True
What were the polls showing prior to the election?
@@robinsmart4397 Well, it seems that 'people' were wrong.
Exactly right Tony - "People didn't vote Labour in, they voted the Tories out"
DONT LET STARMER STOP LOCAL ELECTIONS
At what point has he said this is going to happen?
WTF!!? Channel woke sorry 4 critical of the marxist so called government
Imagine hearing a news report on a network such as this one about some South or Central American state, maybe one in middle Asia or Africa, where the leader had 'suspended elections', and how that would be framed politically.
Total dictatorship move!!
No taxation without representation no votes NO TAXES
It's not a decline, it's a Trainwreck. Carnage. A catastrophe. He makes lettuce look like gold leaf.
And it’s not slow motion.
I have never seen another human with less charisma than Starmer.
I think you’ve hit it on the head is he really human? 🤖🦾🦿
Are you saying Sunak and Truss had some charisma???
He's not human.
@@gazmothedamaja maybe charisma is a step too far, but they were human.
Rachel Reeves and West Streeting provide him with good competition
This must be channel four in a parallel universe.
Need to say welcome to reality then, dont we
Agreed
ANOTHER REALITY MORE LIKE HEY IM JUST VISITING BUT THESE SO CALLED-INTELLECTUAL FOOLS HAVENT WORKED OUT YET THAT EVERYTHING IS NOTHING
ITS ALL TO DRAG YOUR MIND DOWN KEEP YOU IN FEAR
Yes what have they done with the real (Left Wing) Channel 4 News? 😂
I dont think these chaps understand why Starmer and his govt are so unpopular. They have ideas which are based on their own world view, but its wrong
The level of unpopularity at this stage is about more than whether their ideas/policies are correct
Groupthink. They look competely disoriented. It's not how the world should be.
Starmer wants to address inequality, and that is pissing off the Right wing media and the asset rich 20-30%, the boomers! And he is too much of a coward to mention Brexit! That has made the UK measurably poorer!
Yes, they're completely ignoring the rape gangs and other failures of liberal multiculturalism.
For AI, Rachel went to the wrong place
All these people couldn’t wait to get Labour in power. It shows how much they know.
Was getting into power, that act, going to repair 14 years of stagnation and incompetence in a few months, with a bad Brexit thrown in? I do not remember them saying that they had magic wands!!
Think it was more to kick the tories out than bring labour in
@@jakebest5601 the guy was talking about these presenters... He's probably only three months off accusing them of being lizards...
repent at leisure for the ones who chose such a dud.
@@tubit9 14 years of incompetence, corruption a bad Brexit and a bodged Covid response was never going to be solved in a few months!
I am now reminded why I don’t buy the FT anymore.
Even they have gone woke.
The FT is read by economists, investors and the business classes. These people are not interested in Murdoch's lies.
@@ohdearism The TF gives them the lies that suit them..
@@ohdearism
The FT went bad 30 years ago.
‘A bit of a disappointment’??? You’re having a laugh.
Were people expecting miracles in a few weeks?
@@lellyparkerNo , but they weren’t expecting a catastrophe either
@@DavidWilliams-p1n Catastrophe is where the Tories left us. it's why they were kicked out. Our schools are literally falling down. The NHS is beyond desperate, public services are all broken. Borrowing to the max to pay for Covid, and the economy is in the toilet. The public knew this very well by the end of the Tories rule. No one should expect anything to get better quickly when the government has no room to borrow and no room to tax. Money doesn't magic itself out of nowhere.
@@lellyparker Jimmy Saville pointing at Gary Glitter.
@biglongun Thankfully Keir Starmer fixed the broken system that let people like Jimmy Saville get off and he put more pedos away than ever before.
People are getting sick of labour blaming the cons
And visa versa, it's a circus act.
Not getting - We want them gone immediately
Yes its really damaging@TrevorBarnard-s6d
14 years of kleptocracy, and you expect that reversed within a few weeks. Incredible amounts of naivety.
@@EpicAelflaed "we"?
Starmer as popular as a fart in a lift 😂😂😂😂😂
The trouble is, he will linger like one.
@@johnclark5115 Unless your 'King' does his job and FIRES Starmer ! That would shake up things, like his Mum did in AUS.
Robin 😂😂😂, John 😂😂😂😂 brilliant.
@@linmal2242and look at the freefall from that? It was huge for the Monarchy. They are in a precarious situation enough, there is no way they CAN put forward their thoughts on Starmer without a terrible reaction. Which is a great shame, having KClll saying he has no faith in his government would be perfect for the UK but it’s a pipe dream.
@@linmal2242 Ok, Elon. You need to brush up on our Westminster Parliamentary System, as you clearly have no idea. You may be a part of the current problem, which is total ignorance.
The 'Big idea' is to deny anything is wrong, and think the public will believe everything they say is true.
Then when the s**t hits the fan turn to AI, his deus ex machina - starmers genius epiphany that nobody else could ever conceive - AI will make us more efficient - that's 99% of the work done, now he just needs a couple of boffins who actually know what AI means to figure it all out and fix the country
Most people do
It worked almost 15 years for the last goverments?
If only it was. The big idea really seems to be to say that everything is a disaster and then have no plan for how to fix it.
@@PMMagroyeah but people expect better from this new gov and will give less slack
Vat on private school fees, thousands of children no school places, Keir starmer has his holidays and trips all over the world. He is having great fun. Please don't treat us as fools.
Boo hoo, the upper classes have to mingle with the commoners.
😂😂😂
Will nobody think of the poor millionaire farmers and Eton children boohoo.
Oh, thank you...I forgot about the scandal with Boohoo and the targeting of young girls. You know we are not talking about the Elites....
One of their few popular policies. I don’t think that’s it 😂
I'm not surprised at their unpopularity. They won their majority on just over 33% of the vote. That's hardly a hearts and minds win. People quite obviously were just fed up with the Tories, not in love with Labour and their policies.
Seems lost on channel 4, BBC et al
Supreme irony is that Starmer ran for Labour on a "I'm not corbyn" platform and then proceeded to get less votes than Corbyn against a weak and divided opposition.
Well you have FPTPost voting, not Proportional Representation ! Fix your system !
No they didn't get that much they won on 20% of eligible voters. It was worst result for an incoming government since 1945. Even Sir Free Gear was down 17% on his previous vote. Why hasn't anyone ever asked why starmer got the top seat after such a short time in politics. He's thoroughly unfit for the task. Not so much the son of a tool maker as just a tool.
It was 20% of voters, a record low turnout was the only reason they got a bit over 30. Even bLiar got a bit over 40% of the vote & that was in his final term - and after he was past his 'popularity', and had taken us into a massively protested and illegal war!!!
How can the FT lady support Labour - biggest tax hike in 40 years, inheritance tax on farmers, removing winter fuel benefit for pensioners, increase in NI tax, huge increase in debt - they are finished.
London intelligencia
@Sparky5960 Psy Ops. I watched Sky report on current financika crisis that explained how it had occurred with graphs and figures and explained businesses unease because of NI etc.. and forcing prices up. Where as the BBC reported it was all Trumps fault. 😆 C4 and BBC are just the propaganda arms of Labour.
So tax rises are out borrowing is out what's anyone meant to do?
Worst of all, no policies for growth.
@@vicicooper4720 That's far right to say that
I am shocked by this far-right C4. How dare the MSM criticise Dear Leader and his authouritarian regime.
Labour wont get a second term
This comment should have more likes only 9 people think Starmer won't get in again, REALLY?
Channel 4 is an extreme left broadcaster. Normally an apologist for anything left. I think they can smell the coffee
Starmer is no where near Left
Indeed. It's odd to see them attacking Labour.
it might be that they are just always talking facts. not left or right wing
Yes he is
Half baked socialism
The economy is about to tank, inflation has not factored in public sector pay, price rises or mass unemployment. Give it 9 months the country will be on it's knees.
we are already on are knees and have been for some time since truss and co
It's been on its knees for years because of austerity
I agree. Never seen such a damaging inflexion like this. Reminds me of 1974.
@tonywilliams5489 the UK as a viable inclusive state ceased to exist in 1979.
@@tonywilliams5489 This is AUSTERITY 2, child….. have you been in a coma for 6 months?
The only idea that I can see to save the Economy is ditch Net Zero, and stop giving money away to other Countries!!
I've said that too for a long time.
Tax the rich, stop getting involved in American wars, investment in public services, nationalization, rejoin the EU .
How will ditching net-zero help the economy? And how will giving aid to developing countries help increase our GDP? You seem to know.
@@razielthered I'll 2nd that. ✊
and cut tax , stop beniits to 1.4 immigrants , and the feckless brits would help
People are SICK of politicians saying one thing and making it sound like they care and then doing the opposite. We are SICK of the theater style rhetoric. We are SICK of being out in second third or fourth place behind other interests. We are SICK of knowing that our government, police and media hate us
Well said
Calm down. Nobody hates you. They don't even know who you are or what your beliefs are. Less of the "we" too.
@ohdearisthey don't hate us they just don't care they're indifferent to the majority of the electorate.
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons:
1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% !
2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened.
3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms.
4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer.
I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
For goodness sake, the answer is in front of your noses. Why do you think Reform is shooting up the charts? Look to them and their policies and you will get an idea of why Labour is unpopular.
Reform can promise the Earth because they know at this stage they will not have to deliver on their policies. Reform get a whole host of free press on every form of media going, despite only having 5 MP's (I know their vote share is high, but Lib Dems and Greens barely get a sniff of publicity). This is why their popularity are soaring.
Reform are not the answer. Farage only cares about his own fame, power and finances. Popularity does not mean suitable for the job, Johnson was popular for a time.
Exactly 👍🏻
It's 100% vibes based. Reforms economic policies are almost exactly the same as the Thatcher/Truss policies that broke the economy in the first place, but they're better at selling it (whilst everyone ignores their plans to sell the NHS for an American-style insurance system that will put mothers £20K in debt for giving birth).
What are reform policies ?
@ just google reform policies, you’ll be glad you did.
when Channel 4, the most staunch supporters of nu-Labour to ever roam the Earth, are this negative about Starmer and Reeves, you know things are really going badly
Perhaps C4 wants a competent far left government.
Four left wing commentators get in a room and try to convince each other that the problem is not significant. Economy - Massive taxes on businesses and changes to employment laws that further hamstring businesses. The Lady from the FT surely is speaking to a very small number of similar leaning businesses or is not listening at all (Like Sir Keir Starmer) - it is frightening the lack of awareness in this programme.
The FT is left leaning nowadays.
There all fantasists
The problems are evidently significant if people can think the problem is not with corporations but government doing things to corporations 😊
Left-wing people support Jeremy Corbyn. We never liked and did not vote for Starmer.
Spot on.
He needs to be fired.
Tell your King ! Or is he in his counting house counting all his carrots ? If he does not act, what good is he ?
..from a cannon.
If the destination is "growth" then you dont start by increasing the NI tax on employment and businesses. Because that dampens down growth instead of encouraging it. I know business owners who are now having to make people redundant in order to meet the employer's higher NI contributions. Own goal for Labour.
I know of two friends who have just folded, so employees gone too adding to the unemployed.
100% this. It's the most shocking decision in modern politics. Anyone with a basic knowledge of economics will realise it will drive up inflation and drive up unemployment
It will also have a potentially crippling effect on GP surgeries who have been told they aren't exempt as they "aren't NHS"
Redundancies have started being made at my work as well, and it's entirely labours fault.
Stopped doing self employed work as a surveyor when I had to pay the minimum of 20 percent income tax and 2 lots of NI, thanks to IR35 at 24 percent leaving me little over half to me. Instead I have retired and put my hand out for freebies.
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons:
1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% !
2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened.
3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms.
4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer.
I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
Tories and Labour basically agree on everything. No wonder people think the only option is reform to actually change anything (guess what, they won’t either)
At least they will try and put the UK first. Big difference.
@thewealduk9802you believe that? They may say the words but they are a party for rich people
@@gasnocash5612 Yes we do believe that they'll put the UK first. We know the Tories and Labour will just continue to sell out the country. Reform haven't even been in government yet, so they should be given a chance. Better to try an alternative than to continue with the two party status quo which is unacceptable.
@thewealduk9802 Hahaha, they will put their financial interests first. What has Farage done or said to help his constituents in Clacton? He's too busy sucking up to Trump and the US. Under him we would end up as the 51st US state with private insurance companies running our healthcare and next to zero workers rights.
@thewealduk9802 delusional
“Not terribly inspired”, “a bit of a scrappy start” says the obviously Labour-supporting FT person! “People are feeling a bit disappointed”. “A slight whiff of desperation”. These rank as THE understatements of the 2020s. The prices I see are still rising alot more than the headline 2.5%. People notice these things. There is one word for all this; incompetence.
correct !! they are not including housing
That one word perfectly sums up EVERY government, since about 1979... I am 68, and can just remember the Wilson and Heath years... Even then, people thought that things couldn't get any worse.... Now, wearing our much-used rose tinted spectacles, we look back and long for the ' good old days '.....?
The FT women must be living in cloud cuckoo land.
Along with the other 3.
The problem in my opinion is that none of the main parties are actually listening to the British public and the issues we are concerned about. They’re all just cracking on with their own agendas and we all feel totally ignored. The arrogance is astounding.
mirrored by these 4 w7nkers
Katie Martin from the FT: ' The Jobs market is pretty healthy' It absolutely isn't - all data is pointing to a major hiring slow down.
The jobs market is dead as a dodo. I know graduates with experience applying for hundreds of jobs.
Err.. two close friends have now folded their businesses and staff gone!! They didn't want to fold but it's to much now. No one is spending. The FT woman is deluded.
You just know these guys all go to the same North London dinner parties.
Yes, probably never met a reform voter in their little sheltered lives.
😂
For me, the problem is the political system in the UK, which produces "large majorities in terms of seats" from a lack of majority in votes. For me that's the big problem the country didn't vote in this number for labour and labour have no plans that are gonna grow the economy, they just talk down the country at every step
Yes, FPTP is a black hole in UK democracy. It's fundamental that we change to proper PR but notice, after a short period of it being discussed it's all gone quiet again (an obvious thing to mention in this discussion but the UK media is in love with the Punch & Judy dynamics of FPTP and wouldn't know what to do if it went).
The only way to stimulate growth is to cut taxes, cut regulation and cut government spending.
THE UK ISN’T WORKING
LOOKING IN FROM OUTSIDE THE UK LOOKS LIKE A CHAOTIC DISASTER
The chaotic theatre of the Tories was all over the news in Australia. Not so much this lot.
It’s all a narrative
A chaotic #socialist mess from #labour, and #orwellian #stalinist rule from #starmer, with #reeves not being an economist, so she has no clue about financial management, not even being able to manage her own credit cards.
@@brettmeikle 6 months in, that will come for sure if nothing happens.
WHY ARE YOU SO WORRIED ABOUT LOOKING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE? WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY. ITS NOT THAT GREAT IN THE UK BUT NOT TERRIBLE
I worked with an English guy before the election, his opinion of Starmer was he's a Tory in disguise. So there you go, unpopularity was baked in.
Turn to Keynesian economics. Rebuild the entire counties infrastructure get everybody grafting earning paying tax and spending. Financial services is for the rich, the rich don't spend!
Correct.
Haha! That's brilliant mate.
The bond market is spiralling out of control, pound crashing, soon interest alone will be 10% of your total budget and your solution is to borrow more.
I bet lenders are queing to lend to the UK when our deficit is at 5% and debt to gdp over 100%...
Oh wait ! Their not, hence why the bond market is crashing.
There are 9 million people of working age who refuse to work. Maybe this is bit of a problem?
@@lestrem11 refusing to work? or is it the fact employers are setting incredibly unrealistic goals, even for "beginner roles" asking for 3-5 years minimum experience.
how are people who haven't had much working experience meant to find work when all of them ask for a good amount of your working life just for minimum salary?
@@lestrem11 They're not refusing the work. They can't get the work despite sending in hundreds of applications. Employers can't be bothered to invest or train people. Or they prefer to hire folks from India to come over and do the work instead (see the entire financial and tech sector).
I am more comfortable with Trump being in charge of the UK, which I now believe he is, than the nonsense that is Labour.
so you want to change from NHS to private health insurance and having a third of claims denied? You want to lose the right to paid holidays, sick leave, maternity leave etc? Everyone being able to have guns so your kids then have to do shooter drills at school? Wow. Weird but okay.
Labour talk about tough decisions. Tough for who? Not for them.
It remains unclear what Ed Miliband is doing to reduce energy prices.
Everything he does will increase energy prices
Nothing is being done despite they saying we'll get energy prices down!!
Blackouts. All the time the electric isn't on saves on the bill.
Getting infrastructure built. Just ask the pylon whingers. If it wasn't really happening, then they wouldn't be so upset.
that's an under statement
Please point me to anything good that this government has done.
Great for the train drivers.
@thamesmud Did we have a train driver shortage or retention problem?
I have a foolproof answer to the UK problems .
Labour party resign and call an election.
Starmer is going to save everyone else's aconomy and destroy ours.
Reform 2029 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Such a long wait.
Are you having a laugh 😡
There's more chance of your channel taking of.
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@@chrisrobinson860you are the problem & should be deported immediately!!
Starmer's popularity decline is not only the economy but his attack on free speech, his going back on his promises, his calling all his opposition far-right plus his inability to stop illegal immigration etc etc.
We deported the highest number of illegal immigrants in January for seven years. Let that sink in, seven years. All those years the tories were letting the number of immigrants grow and grow to help their political agenda of getting people riled up and blaming immigrants for the lack of services etc instead of actually processing them and sending them back.
Woman on this programme a woke job worth stop using silly words and crapie sound bites
Starmer is the UK’s equivalent to Biden, we cannot afford another 4 years of his policies!!
Absolutely correct.
More like Lennin! 😂
And Trump over there is taking the bull with its horns to reverse 4 years of damage by Mr Biden of the WEF.
No enquiry into grooming gangs.. sickening. 😮
There was, it was £700million and took 7 years. Tories rejected all the suggestions 😢
Inquiry, no inquiry into illiteracy, shocking.
@@frali7861yesvit was a broad, general enquiry into abuse eg care homes. Grooming gangs were looked at in represented in a subsection within a subsection about Rotherham and mentioned only 1 witness. Hardly a focussed, detailed inquiry. How can useful recommendations about grooming gangs specifically be made and implemented if the inquiry did not look into this phenomena sufficiently? How can we have confidence in that? The children deserve better.
@@frali7861 The enquiry deliberately avoided the truth to spare the careers and liberty of social workers, police and politicians who colluded in the most disgusting cover up in British history. It is probably not possible to have a thorough and transparent enquiry while labour are in power. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas. When justice comes it should be jail for those who covered this up and in doing so enabled the rape gangs to continue operating unabated.
@@catsploitationmocking a persons literacy skills online? What a low life. And seeing that as more important than his point? Bullying is never ok
Inflation is not under control Katie
Starmer wants AI but energy in the UK is the most expensive in europe,and AI needs a lot of electricity. Reminds me of the quote. 'Fail to plan. Plan to fail. Or lots of common not much sense.
GROWTH IS ALL ABOUT ENCOURAGING NEW BUSINESSES TO START UP , SUPPORTING THE HIGH STREET , LOWERING TAXES ETC ETC , LABOUR HAVE DONE NOTHING BUT STIFLE BUSINESS SINCE THEY UNFORTUNATELY GOT INTO POWER
Do Starmer and Reeves have a plan… in short NO!
Let’s be honest, we needed change after 14 years of disaster capitalism but now this? I have never felt less confident in the future of our country. Well done Channel 4, this needs to be be mainstream news.
Labour are making sure Farage will be the next prime minister, he's used to fighting uphill and it would be hard to find a more tenacious character.
What has upset people the most is the dishonesty.
The whole country needs a slap to wake up-not just the government. So you'll pay for a Netflix membership each month but not health insurance to ensure the NHS you claim to love can survive and work properly?
We already pay for the NHS through National Insurance payments, along with pensions. Entitlement not Benefits. And if the state pension is a benefit, then why is it subject to tax, they don’t tax housing benefits, child benefit. Work that one out!
I don’t who ever expected Keir Starmer to be the saviour. He literally was Tory lite all 5 years.
Just like Blair.
Only Reform UK can get the country out of this mess!
Well they can’t can they, a proper Tory party is the answer.
Party run by the same guy who led Brexit.... Look how that worked out!
Ok, please explain how they can do this, and tell you exactly why they cannot?
The Duke of Westminster owns half of Liverpool. Tax that man, and all other recipients of enormous amounts of inherited wealth, could be a start. Tax is only a dirty word to the wealthy
In no country anywhere ever has a tax the rich policy worked. All it does is drive money abroad. This is the money that pays national debt.
I've got a big idea. Cut £50bn off government spending. Or better still, 100.
Reduce the size of government, sack the Quangos.
Why is she saying that inflation is under control. Those figures does not account for housing, more than Half of my salary is just going on rent.
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons:
1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% !
2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened.
3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms.
4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer.
I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
Which country does Starmer govern ? Because if it's the UK he's managing to destroy it.
UK is in a spiral. They've had 5 PMs in 10 years. There's no stability in that.
Starmer won the Labour leadership by lying to the party's membership. He went back on every pledge he made within weeks of becoming leader, and his economic plan was pretty much to ask himself what Tony Blair would have done. With very few exceptions what Tony Blair did in power was not dissimilar to what Thatcher or Major would have done. He did fix the NHS, but at that time the neo-liberal economic model had not yet run its course. After 2008, neo-liberalism had literally nothing to offer the general population but the kind of austerity and general decline we experienced under Cameron and Osborne. After that, even most Tories knew their economic model was busted, hence the multiple splits in the party. Since becoming PM, Starmer's approach, rather than trying to create a new social democratic economic model has been to pretend that 2008 never happened. What's more, he has purged the left and surrounded himself with yes men to the extent that there is no possibility of anyone from the Labour Party taking over who can offer a new approach. The Labour Party is screwed and so is the country.
Tax the rich for God’s sake. The level of wealth inequality in the UK is astonishing.
Labour will not tax the rich. They are the biggest donors to their party & individual cabinet members.
Rich and not so rich are leaving. In my family 2 relatives alreaady gone and doing well. Reminds me of the 1970s.
You do realise the UK is losing millionaires at a record pace? We are now second only to China in the millionaire exodus. "Tax the rich" sounds great - but wealthy people are extremely mobile. Wealth taxes are being reversed in other countries because they do not work.
They all left before Labour arrived, the best you can hope for is the middle class, who overwhelmingly voted Labour, Dems, and Greens and can afford it.
@@greattobeadub And when they leave and those who risk becoming rich do so some where else whose gunna pay you welfare?.
I have never seen things go so wrong so quickly, we will all have to pay for years to dig ourselves out of Starmer's black hole.
Begging bowl to the EU I reckon.
Starmer is not unpopular, he's hated to the core.
The thing that stands out is Starmer can only get higher.... he's already been Knighted and is a " Sir"... so a Lordship is the only conveniently way to get rid of him. He's outplayed his political understanding and indeed ambitions...... basically saying he can... but really he can't....he was a fill in for Corbyn and nothing else and now has to stand aside. It's no longer a two run race in this country with Labour and Conservatives.....they now have Reform not breathing down their necrbut standing proudly on the platform aside them....a political change of winds has changed the way people think and more importantly..... will vote..👍👍👍👍👍👍
The Treasury demanding that all government departments cut spending tell you the government is in crisis.
These people are so far out of touch with the British people. If the country wasn't in such a dire situation, it would be funny.
Will they ever leave the Westminster bubble and have a real look at the state our nations are in?
The national insurance hike is no doubt the biggest reason why businesses are angry with him not the fact he "doesn't have a strong message".
For me it's simple - Starmer is an arrogant self-serving shithole without an ounce of compassion, not even a drop.
Channel 4 preparing us for work houses and soup kitchens
The issue is Labour hasn't delivered anything different. It isn't just Reform who are climbing up the polls, the SNP look set to regain their substantial lead in Scotland.
He needs to go, reinstate Corbyn and let’s get back on the right track
Puddles are deeper than Starmer… it’s all show and ego for power…
In 2008 the EU and US economy was the same size, the US is now double the size of the EU, yet people in this country want to be more like the EU.
IT just blows my mind
The US debt is also bigger - 123% of GDP so what is good about that?
@@chrysalis4126 Apart from the fact that the avg American now has 2x the wealth of the avg European?
@@darrenfranks141 with 10x the cost for healthcare 😂
@@jonnydavison9222 And 10% the cost of energy🤣
The UK is economy is collapsing, we are in financial ruin and there are rising taxes due to a combination of 4 reasons:
1. Recession in 2008/2009 - Leading to government borrowing, bank bailouts and austerity measures . Due to austerity measures, there has been a lack investment in the NHS and public services since 2008/09. This lack of investment has now caught up with us as its effect has been more noticeable in recent years. Back in 2007, the UK was one of the worlds strongest economists predicted our GDP would grow 3% per year. Also in 2007, £1 was worth around $2. From around 1997 until 2009, the UK economy was stronger than any other G7 country. It took the UK until around 2020 for the UK economy to go back to 2007 levels. To give you an indication of how bad this recession was, the UK government debt as a percentage of GDP before the recession was 41%. In 2012 this jumped to 83% and right now is greater than 98% !
2. Brexit - Resentment from the recession played a part in false stories told by ministers to gain voter support. Economists and analysts at Cambridge Econometrics found that, by 2035, the UK is anticipated to have three million fewer jobs, 32% lower investment, 5% lower exports and 16% lower imports, than it would have had been. The report states that the UK will be £311bn worse off by 2035 due to leaving EU. The government borrowed more money to pay the divorce bill triggering markets to believe if we could ever pay this back, so the value of the pound dropped, inflation increased. Up until Brexit in 2020 the UK had year-on-year GDP growth. However, the GDP growth from 2008/09 to 2020 is a false picture as the growth in these years was due to austerity measures. Brexit made our situation much, much worser. Our politicians lied to the public e.g. Boris Bus, blaming migrants, we will be better off after Brexit and our economy will recover due to UK trade-deals etc. The economic risk due to Brexit was huge and then Covid happened.
3. Covid - The government borrowed more money again as we had to bail out the whole economy. There was massive drop in GDP again and it crashed, all business were shutting down. The UK is the only G7 country to never economically recover after covid. Yes, we had coronavirus vaccination costs, support schemes, grant and loans but all European countries did similar (apart from furloughing the nation cost) and the whole world was in the same boat. Let’s not forget the PPE scandal, bounce back loan fraud, eat-out-to-help-out and ministers holding shares in vaccination firms.
4. Political mismanagement in all of the above - constant leadership changes, rising crime rates. UK government borrowing is out control leading to higher inflation and rising taxes. Russia/Ukraine conflict, I’m excluding from the 4 reasons as all European countries are in the same boat, other European countries are more impacted as they rely greater than UK on Russian gas and trade. High streets in some areas are like a ghost town, Debenhams etc has gone. National wages have stagnated across the country. Home ownership is a right only reserved for the rich. Less and less deposable income for the average Brit. The government appears to be nothing to prevent the average Brit from becoming poorer.
I can write even more but getting angry whilst typing. The UK is in a complete and utter mess. We are in cost of living crisis. The government doesn’t have enough money and neither does the public. It will take one or two generations not years to fix it.
AI with the most expensive electricity in the west
That wont fly.
When Labour said "we have a plan" what did they actually mean? We haven't seen it yet, have we?
Ha !... The " plan " is to have NO PLAN at all ! ... That way, it doesn't matter what happens... It is never their fault.... I recall that the Tories seemed to have no plan either... !.... What a bunch of cardboard kettles they all are !
The UK is literally the worker trying to dig deeper to get out of a hole. If they think reform UK has the answer then the UK is in for huge hardship.
The UK is already experiencing huge hardship...It has been brought about by abiding to the two party system. It's time for some new ideas. Too bad if that makes you feel uncomfortable.
@@danuk500 we have 4 main parties, the problem is none of them are actually any good
I'd like to welcome Channel 4 news back to the right side of reality.
What planet was this filmed on ?
Wow. None of them know about PotHoles. That speaks Volumes. 🙌
You either a) rejoin the single market b) do an association agreement c) become the US 51st state. We now have less freedom of movement than Belarus and Nepal! That makes the happiness index fall, means productivity fall. You want success, stop thinking Britain is a global power it is NOT. Its a big massive mess that could be solved if people take risks, but British politicians prefer the status quo, that means less money for you and more money for them and if you think reform is the answer, look in the mirror, things will be even worse.
100 year deal with Ukraine for military support and our money??? How DARE he tell us we have a 22 million black hole we have to pay for and thn he does this. Im so raging, he spends our money like water, i HATE HATE HATE him.
I have poor hearing, the audio quality here very good, and the speakers are not rushing to to run over each other.
This is the longest ive tuned into ch4 in 20 years 😂
In 1979 Thatchers Tories came into government, full of promises. By 1982 she was the most unpopular PM of the 20th century, in the poles. in 1983 Thatcher won the election with a massive majority. Why? Because of the Falklands war, nothing else. She remained massively unpopular but still won another election. She eventually become so unpopular, the Tories got rid of her.
Apart from the people at the top whom she gave loads of money to she was almost hated. She wrecked the country. The reason she lasted 11 years was the same reason as always. The press and media are totally controlled by the Tories and their billionaire backers. There was nothing but fictionalised, positive idolising, reports by all the establishment journalists.No matter how bad she was for the country.
The same privately educated, oxbridge, class of journalists, working for the same billionaire owned Tory establishment press are now repressing any positive reporting of Labour.
They concentrate on politically motivated announcements from establishment organisations such as the CBI and right wing think tanks. The demonstrations by hundreds of the Tory borne and bred farmers, received ten times the coverage that the demonstrations by 10s of thousands of demonstrators for the Palestinians received.
This all works for the aggressive privileged and entitled. Not for the lives of the ordinary working voters
You need help plonker.
Mighty, magnificent Maggie was a titan, a giant.
I started secondary school in 1969/70 and I was soon aware of the catastrophe of socialism and anarchy unions forever striking.
This country was in the knacker's yard, an economic basket case. She tamed Commie unions and transformed the country and economy for the better.
How come she won 3 elections then? Wow, she was so unpopular lol.
100% true.
Ha ha ha, right on comrade. Is Dave Spart your cousin or something?
You have a point, the media have their own interests and it’s true they lean towards conservatism. Although that does beg the question why they backed Starmer prior to the election 🤔
People aren’t stupid, if they geniunely start seeing an improvement in their daily lives they will continue to vote Labour regardless of what the media says. Same way we continue to protest in support of Palestine despite the lack of coverage.
The problem is under the current “Labour” no change is coming and things are going to continue getting gradually worse.
The scariest thing about this is if Labour don’t buck up their ideas sharpish, we’re likely heading for a Reform government in 2029
Tax the super rich. Thats it. Only chance we’ve got
The Tories get us into this mess and everyone blames the Libs. Right.
It will take 10 years to fix the problems after Starmer has gone. He is a disaster with no ideas.
This bit like 9:30-10:00 is deeply dishonest. Rates in the UK have risen substantially higher, more than 2 points in most cases compared to countries like France and Germany.
Gov bonds here costs more than 1 percent higher than Italy !
Due to DEI, interference from party HQ and all forms of political correctness, anyone with character and charisma - who tend to have said and done things considered ‘problematic’ - Labour has a pool of 400 nonentities in the Commons.
There is a very clear shape to Stammerism. One point that has been utterly overlooked in this discussion is that KS implements the directives of the WEF, with a massive focus on net zero and moving to totalitarian control. Once that is understood his policies become very clear.
How Ironic - Channel 4 did their utmost to elect the Labour Government. Anybody with an ounce of sense knew it would be like this. The only surprise is that it has happened quite as quickly as it has.
It started during the summer. He is a traitor
Build the scaffolds