This is a pushy horse on the ground and disrespectful horse behavior.

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  • This is a disrespectful horse behavior must be corrected. See how I correct the pushy and disrespectful behavior.
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  • @sweetpeasandyarrowaranchdi8327
    @sweetpeasandyarrowaranchdi8327 ปีที่แล้ว +55

    I just wanted to tell you, I have watched a lot of trainers, that make things seem harder than they are. They leave out information, to sell you a gimmick. Thank you for explaining all the details of what is going on, you do an amazing job. I can really understand, which helps my own horses. I think the big picture of what you are doing is helping thousands more horses to become productive members of society. I hope you get the compensation you deserve, but also the horse lives you are touching is what matters most.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Thank you. That means a lot to me.

    • @wjm9987
      @wjm9987 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      I agree wholeheartedly with this comment

    • @tesskennedy4959
      @tesskennedy4959 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That’s a truly hopeful comment. I hope loads of equestrian people on all sides do take Tim’s ways on board. 🎈🎈🎈

  • @nancywilliams7833
    @nancywilliams7833 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I teach kids. It is the same way with them; they have to get their mind on what they are learning. You are doing a great job. Your techniques are sequential and systematic. No wonder you are a very successful horse trainer.

  • @jennyt7612
    @jennyt7612 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Thanks for this very informative video. I love horses but have next to no experience with them - it's the big regret of my life. I know nothing of horse training but it does seem to me that your calm & steady demeanour & voice is something these horses really respect & respond well to. Best wishes from Sydney Australia

  • @Ciciye12
    @Ciciye12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I appreciate you explain what you are trying to teach him. I can appreciate the time you allow for the horse to get his mind on the task. Also appreciate you talking to him some. I am paralyzed on right side, so I won’t be riding but love learn how it works. I kind of appreciate how horse can be elusive. But your teaching gets him on track.

  • @silky2204
    @silky2204 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hi! The explanation on the bit halter is great. No one ever told me. The grooming part and its meaning to the horse is a good idea. I see it now.

    • @octoberjubilee9866
      @octoberjubilee9866 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I know, the grooming part was something that stood out to me as well. I also never thought of what grooming may mean to the horse. That was good information.

  • @susansmith8602
    @susansmith8602 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    He is a beautiful horse and you are so patient.

  • @piaffe25rider
    @piaffe25rider 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great channel!!! Thanks for all the great content!!!! He’s beautiful!! Why doesn’t Anyone explain much?? You are the only one I’ve come across that doesn’t keep us in the dark!!!

  • @Sandra-cm1du
    @Sandra-cm1du 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You are very good. I really appreciate you knowledge. You have a gift with horses.

  • @mlgauss60435
    @mlgauss60435 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Many moons ago, when I was14, I was given a 2 year old Pinto. My dad and 3 older brothers broke her to ride (and pretty sure not correctly!). Once she was given over to me, she became "my" horse and no one else could ride her. She'd either throw them or knock them off under a tree. She tried that trick on me, once, and I just stuck to her like glue! I had 2 issues with her, that I never could break her of. One, was crossing a wooden bridge, no matter even if I tried to lead her across, she just wouldn't move. I even tried blind folding her, to no avail, so, we took other routes. Two, and THE most aggravating bad habit, was, the closer we got to home, the faster she wanted to go! Our farm was down in a hollow and when we reached the top of the hill, she was off like a rocket! How I stayed on when we got to the driveway, is a miracle in itself. I never fell off. But I tell you, when we got to the barn, where she KNEW she'd be unsaddled, I'd make her walk BACK to the end of the driveway and back to the barn, about 1/4 of a mile, both ways. You'd think she would learn? Nope, never did, but that dang horse was the love of my life! I was just as stubborn as she was, guess we were made for each other! LOL! Any ideas where I went wrong?

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Hi Mary. The key to getting a horse to not run you back to the barn is to go out and back a lot. They only run you back so they can be done and if you take away the done the the running back goes away. Thanks for watching.

    • @hazelwalker6570
      @hazelwalker6570 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Your horse is barn sweet, not sour. Meaning he wants to hurry back to the barn and get rid of you. When you get. Back to the barn , keep him busy , make him run around and around , practice backing him up . In other words take away his fun

    • @octoberjubilee9866
      @octoberjubilee9866 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, once they get into some bad habits it's hard to break them of them. As I read your post, I imagined what I may have done and I was thinking, I may have turned her around when she started speeding up when going down the hill toward the driveway. Or, possibly just starting her down, than turning her around to walk up each time when going down the hill. Just thinking about what I'd do now, as a kid I couldn't tell you what I would have done (I wasn't the most patient person. Thank God we grow up🙂). Thanks for telling your experience it gets me thinking what I would do in similar situations.

    • @mlgauss60435
      @mlgauss60435 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Hazel Walker I never could get her to back up either! I broke a bridle that way. She would just go in circles rather than backing! Stubborn, yes! I swear she was part mule! LOL!

    • @mlgauss60435
      @mlgauss60435 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @October Jubilee oh, I tried MANY times turning her around and going back up that hill, but it didn't matter. I could have her all lathered up and her sides heaving, but it never mattered... I do swear she was part mule! LOL!

  • @wendylow5748
    @wendylow5748 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I cracked up--"he's got a big head and he needs to be aware."

  • @user-nw5pf5vt5v
    @user-nw5pf5vt5v 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very interesting. You have the patience of Job. Thank you.

  • @elainethomas9532
    @elainethomas9532 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I love watching you teach horses 💞

  • @lotusflower2838
    @lotusflower2838 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hi Tim, I always get good information when I watch your videos, they all make sense and are very helpful! It is a great opportunity to observe multiple horses at different levels of training and see how you approach their needs.😊

  • @7viewerlogic670
    @7viewerlogic670 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info.

  • @Allisonloosemore
    @Allisonloosemore ปีที่แล้ว

    I really love your training videos

  • @wayneking7050
    @wayneking7050 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another helpful video, thank you.

  • @user-bi6ro8rx2m
    @user-bi6ro8rx2m 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He reminds me of my walker boy...same color and temperament. He was standing like he was going to his death. I do like all of your techniques and that you are doing it all yourself. That is nice to see.

  • @KingsMom831
    @KingsMom831 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Geldings can make great babysitters!

  • @deana8202
    @deana8202 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love your videos. Just found your site.

  • @richardmcatee7963
    @richardmcatee7963 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Headset needs some attention, but really Learning a lot. Discovered you from watching "Farm On Route 66".

  • @tessjones5987
    @tessjones5987 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good horse. Good Trainer.

  • @haourss
    @haourss 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great stuff mate. Just got here. Subscribed without a second of hesitation thankyou..

  • @tesskennedy4959
    @tesskennedy4959 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I find your expectations of horses are entirely reasonable and your approach. Well I think they also sense who you see. They like a strong charismatic kind approach 🎈🎈🎈

  • @lindawhite6271
    @lindawhite6271 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I really enjoy your commentary and horse lessons. I wanted to let you know the audio cuts in and out so kinda hard to hear you. Thank you for your time.

  • @fludrbywest3886
    @fludrbywest3886 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Not sure if your microphone 🎤 is scratching or what but I do love watching you work the horse. Beautiful horse🤩

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That is an older video. I have much better audio system in the newer videos.

    • @octoberjubilee9866
      @octoberjubilee9866 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timandersonhorsetraining Good, thought it was my ear buds.

  • @melissastreeter22
    @melissastreeter22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your audio disappeared on your comment about stopping. Looking forward to that video. Appreciate the calm tone you use for feedback.

  • @comesahorseman
    @comesahorseman 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍

  • @silky2204
    @silky2204 ปีที่แล้ว

    YEs, please discuss the single rein stop.

  • @octoberjubilee9866
    @octoberjubilee9866 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like the fact that you take it slow and easy, for both the horse and your own safety. Just wondering what's the purpose of the spurs? This is the second of your videos that I have watched and so far, I appreciate how you explain why you approach things the way you do. Thank you.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I typically have 12 -14 horses in training at a time and I work from one to the next. I'm not going to stop and take them off to do ground work then put them back on for the next to ride and work on body control. Spurs are a tool just like a lunge whip, bridle, or reins. All tools to get a job done.

    • @octoberjubilee9866
      @octoberjubilee9866 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@timandersonhorsetraining Ok, got it. Thank you for explaining. I noticed that you just nudged the horse with the side of your foot for pressure.

  • @pjk1714
    @pjk1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That 3lbs bit reminders me of the 17 hand Walker I rode with a 5lbs bit. He was a recently gilded after being a stud. Boy he wanted to take the lead. He behaved for his owner but tried to test me.
    I believe he needed a different approach but was just there to ride his 3 yr old son to break him in.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for watching.

    • @virginiamoss7045
      @virginiamoss7045 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wow, that horse must have been something to see all covered in gold like that. Couldn't resist.

    • @pjk1714
      @pjk1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@virginiamoss7045 Lol actually silk black and very expensive..

  • @dianespring3228
    @dianespring3228 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍👍❤

  • @asabovesobelow7200
    @asabovesobelow7200 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mister you’re wearing me out I’m glad I’m not your horse. You’re are a good match 😂

  • @metalkingtohorses
    @metalkingtohorses 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    that pawing means he wants cookies sir

  • @gmariet1391
    @gmariet1391 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your show is new to me. I wonder if you've ever watched WHEN HORSES CHOOSE? on TH-cam ❤️👍🌿

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I never heard of it so I just watched some of the videos. I do not disagree with anything they are teaching but that system as a whole is not help me in the competitive events that I work towards. However some of the techniques are interesting and I will try them and see if they work for me. Thank you.

  • @brandimolina4551
    @brandimolina4551 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I love watching you but it's to far away. We can't see what's happening with you or the horse. Film a bit closer please. Also your mic cuts in and out real bad. Still love and completely respect how you treat the horses. Thank you!

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you. I am currently shopping for a new wireless mic and camera person.

    • @pjk1714
      @pjk1714 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A tripod helps if the horses can become accustomed. There also some that will track your every move 360 if you set focusing on horse as target first.

  • @dianehookham
    @dianehookham 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you please tell me which bit it is your using in this video?

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'm sorry I do not remember. That was a while back, since then I've started trying to show the bit in the video.

  • @metalkingtohorses
    @metalkingtohorses 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Poppy I told you not to comment on the videos!" I'm sorry sir my horse sometimes likes to comment on the videos when I'm not looking. haha

  • @ellyfields184
    @ellyfields184 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you know the brand/ name of the bit you used?

  • @jenivieve8273
    @jenivieve8273 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the start the look on his face is so 'Who are you talking to?? Wait, are we famous?! Get my best side!'

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      When I'm not filming I don't talk much so when I do talk it's pretty weird for the horses.

    • @jenivieve8273
      @jenivieve8273 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timandersonhorsetraining he seemed happy enough!

  • @gmacook8095
    @gmacook8095 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Farm on Route66 sent me

  • @meganpahl3612
    @meganpahl3612 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have messaged you before but my mare is calm and collected under saddle and very keen on learning quickly'; however, when under halter and lead , around the other horses, feels she is the lead mare even with me who has established this ;position without fail; on a daily basis. When a horse slips back into the pushy state, how can we safely reinnervate our lead position quickly when the behaviors are sudden and every now and then?

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Give them something to do. Move their feet. Don't make it more complicated than that.

  • @christinev7072
    @christinev7072 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video, but I just thought I’d let you know the audio is bad in a lot of places.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes this is one of my older videos. The audio is better in the newer ones. Thanks for watching.

  • @--_-_-_-74..
    @--_-_-_-74.. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the way you train . I have a beautiful palomino mare that someone beat bad ! If you pick up a carrot stick she flips out , when you do her feet she flips , when you walk out to put halter on her she runs . Shes come along ways but still has issues, i dont trust her completely. Do you have any tips to help her come around ? She was abused by a lady . Thank you

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hey Laura. For horses with that history it's goung to take you spending a lot of time with her just doing everything correctly. You can't be totally submissive to her because then she will never accept you as her leader. Just give her things to do, ask her correctly, and reward the correct response with lots of praise. Be consistent and patient.

  • @shaynabobayna1723
    @shaynabobayna1723 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a big TWH who is just like this one. I'm too scared to work with her! She'll strike and try to run me over. I'm a 5'1 120lb woman and I think she knows she has the size advantage over me and theres not much I can do with her from the ground. I feel more comfortable on her back where she can't get me! 😅

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      If you watch horses battle for herd behavior size doesn't matter, size only matters to us when we get intimidated. Start by figuring out a little way that you can safely make him move his feet and expand from there. You don't have to win every battle, just the war in the end. Choose your battles wisely.

    • @shaynabobayna1723
      @shaynabobayna1723 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timandersonhorsetraining Thank you so much for the advice! I didn't expect you to reply, what a nice surprise!

  • @clarityjane31
    @clarityjane31 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    hi

  • @carolynstewart8465
    @carolynstewart8465 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very agreeable old horse.. in the tie stall anyway.

  • @barbaracollins5605
    @barbaracollins5605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Lazy, pushy. Disrespectful. Real horsemen know it's never the horse's fault. He looks scared. Don't blame the horse.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      You are right, horse behavior problems are always man made. The problem is that no one wants a lazy, pushy, or disrespectful horse just like no one wants a lazy, pushy, or disrespectful spouse. The problem is you can leave a spouse that but a horse like that has a grim future. Even though the behavior is not the horse's fault the only way to improve the future for the horse is to correct the behavior. You have seen a couple minute snippet of this horse I have spent many days with him, this horse is not scared and I don't blame him for the situation that people have put him in.

  • @dangerousideas
    @dangerousideas ปีที่แล้ว

    Please next time just put some subtitles to the missing words due to audio issues.
    It's so frustrating to listen to your very valuable and interesting info, only to be scrambled at the crucial part.
    Audio issues happen, just please put subtitles. There are plenty of free programs to allow you to do that. Kdenlive, Shotcut, DaVinci Resolve. Plenty of short tutorials on yt, etc...
    Your video otherwise is very very useful.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for trying to watch. This is one of my older videos, my newer videos have much better audio.

  • @AVToth
    @AVToth ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish when people make videos about horse problems they would show it from the beginning. I want to see the problems from day one. I like this site but it's like others when I hear "It was worse at the beginning" or something like that.

  • @brotoubrotou3164
    @brotoubrotou3164 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I enjoy your videos but why did you walk him so far away from the camera?

  • @profadkins2101
    @profadkins2101 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    wish the sound wasn't cutting out so much

  • @jessjones8592
    @jessjones8592 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Unfortunately my 10 y r old gelding is the worst. I know it's my fault but I can't anymore. It's been 2 months of fighting. He knows I'm afraid of him and boy does he takes advantage of that!! He's the most disrespectful horse I've ever seen. He bit the vet, kicked a girl in his stall, both feet.. Kicked the chiropractor.. BITES ME, BITES EVERYONE... Bucks under saddle... Pushy with any WOMAN who tries to work with him. I'm giving up because he's dangerous. My trainer said he's been abused by a woman in his past... Could be. I don't believe in hitting horses.. Never have struck him... People tell me that's what he needs.. But I can't get through to him...

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I understand you not wanting to hit him but he sure doesn't mind biting and kicking you. When you saw that what you were doing wasn't working, why didn't you change what you were doing before it got this bad?

    • @jessjones8592
      @jessjones8592 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@timandersonhorsetraining Haha, I know you're right. Yesterday he looked like a pit bull when he tried to bite me. We were putting his saddle on. I'm over fighting with him is all.
      Thanks for your reply. Only had him for 2 months. Just afraid to correct him I guess. I've seen him get pretty nasty and ppl have slapped him and I noticed he only gets worse after he's corrected. Meaner ... Goes from biting to kicking... More aggressive.. So that's why it's hard for me... I'm too chicken!

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I tell people to think of getting a horse like dating. You're usually not going to marry the first person you date. You date someone and find out you are not compatible you should move on. It's no different with a horse.

    • @jessjones8592
      @jessjones8592 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timandersonhorsetraining Yes, he needs a man to deal with him. He's so wonderful to my farrier

    • @Amanda-C.
      @Amanda-C. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's rare for a horse to employ real aggression without pain or fear, but, either way, it sounds like he's not someone you're able to safely work with. I hope you've found a way out of that unhealthy relationship of yours.
      The saddling story makes me suspicious of some kind of joint issue or saddle fit issue. Was he ever checked by a vet to eliminate health issues? If it's fear, did he used to do better in a less restricted space, either on a long lead or at liberty? What were the circumstances of the kicking story? Double-barrelled shot at a girl in his stall is pretty extreme. Why did he feel that much pressure, past abuse?
      You don't have to answer my questions. It's just what I'd ask if I was trying to solve the problem, but some things are not best handled in a TH-cam comments section.

  • @deevine7940
    @deevine7940 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a shame the audio is so bad. Perhaps working closer to the camera would help the reception of your mic.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Since I made this video I upgrade all of my audio and video recording equipment. You might try watching some of my newer videos.

  • @patriciashane3783
    @patriciashane3783 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No sound

  • @lindalarson5468
    @lindalarson5468 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why did this horse end up with you, Tim? He's 15...what was the reason the owner gave for bringing him to you?

  • @abigail1023
    @abigail1023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Who knows what kind of mishandling he's had and what bad habits he learned in the last 15 years.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True

    • @abigail1023
      @abigail1023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@timandersonhorsetraining But that's the beauty of animals - they get past all that and start fresh again, especially with someone like you who understands and guides them with confidence and fairness in a way to inspire trust and willingness!

  • @cherylgardner4108
    @cherylgardner4108 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Your training videos are informative, but you need to be closer to your camera, and the lighting indoors needs to brighter.

  • @caroljohnson2324
    @caroljohnson2324 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You need to fix the sound when you are riding the horse.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That video is almost a year old, I have better audio in the newer videos.

  • @GretchenDupree
    @GretchenDupree ปีที่แล้ว

    Ummm, is he a giant?

  • @fgb3126
    @fgb3126 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Since this is a year old you no doubt know by now that your audio was really poor. I reckon you figured it was good enough for Government Work and you didn't want to have to do this program all over again with that horse. I'll make a suggestion in case you've never done this (I have not watched enough of your work yet to know if you know), but you could just turn off this audio altogether. And then do a 'voice over'. Basically narrating your actions. It would "save" this video and help your listeners.

  • @whome3530
    @whome3530 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wish your mic functioned better, missed a lot of what you were saying at the end

  • @idahabbershon9443
    @idahabbershon9443 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You're a little too far away to see what is going on. Please film closer. 😁

  • @aprilsaponari8468
    @aprilsaponari8468 ปีที่แล้ว

    The audio isn’t very good and can’t see. Too far away

  • @kayfish7621
    @kayfish7621 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can't imagine why people would waste their time watching you. They could be learning how to establish a solid, trusting relationship with their horse by watching Monty Roberts. Non violent training through understanding equine language.

    • @timandersonhorsetraining
      @timandersonhorsetraining  ปีที่แล้ว +10

      And still I get 1.5 million views every month and a 6 month waiting list for horses to train. Someone is missing something.

    • @blackdandelion5549
      @blackdandelion5549 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Monty Roberts Fame really comes from Shy-Boy and his venture to be able to touch and work with a horse without any pen in the wild as he usually dealt with mustangs and more feral horses. He worked much more on join up because the horses he predominantly worked with were not accustomed to being around people. He really started or pushed the idea of "Join Up" to mainstream culture. However a horse raised around humans or with humans does not act like a wild horse. There needs to be other methods as these horses are not afraid of people and can even be dangerous to them. It's literally called the "Join Up International organization" and he has a University for trainers and it's about listening to horses, but this trainer does that as well as he is watching their ears, eyes, their muscles tighten on their back or hindquarters and it's just not widely taught now-a-days to read horse body language. I love when a feral horse will do join up or even one that is fear reactive, but too much join up and not enough boundaries with horses raised in captivity can be a really dangerous problem. I always work on trusting my horse and them trusting me as I won't do things to hurt them, but at a certain point we are partners and I am not here to hug them and make them feel comfortable and they need to have boundaries or I will have a 16H toddler forever and that is dangerous.
      It's not about the tools you have, but how you use them as any kid who ever got swatted with a green young plant will tell you - the person didn't need an official whip to do damage and people harm horses everyday by yanking on bits like there is no tomorrow. All about how you use the tool.