Amen for talking sale/kill pen horses. In 50 years with horses, most cheaper sale horses have a hole somewhere that’s why they’re at sale. It doesn’t have to be a behavior issue. That hole may be old age, lameness, real skinny, bucker, flips over, etc. It’s rare these days with the internet that somebody needs money bad enough to take their good horse to cheap sale when they can sell for more without leaving home. Many of the bigger or registered sales have soundness guarantees with horse for a time period. These horses are bringing lots of money right now, but some of them have holes too. Although those holes tend to come on or get worse with new ownership.
Interesting mare.......wish she could talk! Ha! Or maybe not! Always a puzzle when someone gets a horse from an auction. Where are the holes in the horse....only way to find out is to start working with them step by step....if a horse shows little respect from the ground there is a good chance it will treat a rider the same way. I'm hoping she works out ok!! You will give her a good chance at success. And love the progress on your arena!
This work is so helpful! My 14 year old is coming out of the winter (4 months ago was the last ride) with similar pushy behavior. He seems so sour. Trying to be patient because we are still getting winter storms so maybe he's had enough of it too! I've been leading him as you demonstrated but not asking him to move out if he's not looking to me. He also will look out of the circle. So thanks for sharing! There is a lot here to help. Looking forward to seeing more! Thank you!
I learn some things every time I watch you work. Even if I've already watched one of your videos. I love the even keel you maintain when working with horses. Thank you for sharing!
Maggie seems like a rather stubborn girl that probably is going to need a bit of patience, in the beginning. I’m interested in the time frame of her progress. My bet is, once you fix the holes in her ground fundamentals, she’ll be a great horse and partner. Thank you for sharing Tim. Your arena is absolutely gorgeous by the way. ❤️
I used to ride dressage horses. The hind end must be engaged so you become very aware when the hind legs are out behind. Clever horses can use "disengagement " as an evasion both under saddle and on the line. It is, in my opinion a backwards feeling when they learn this as the forward energy has "gone out the back" it feels like a splat.
@Tim Anderson Ranch and Horse Training Holy cow, for me it's like a drug...once you have it you have the feeling you can do anything WITH your horse. Now...if I could just reliably produce it easily, I wouldn't be here....lol. truly humbling, these horses.
Tim, when you watch the video so you can add captions, do you see things that you didn’t notice when you were in the arena with her? Am looking forward to this series.
Constisteny is the main ingredient with mares like her. My Phoenix has an abuse history and it was day in day out work with her even if it was just turning her out for the day. She needs a lot of stability. Kill pens are the last stop on the way to a horrible death. She knew it.
I LOVE this man's relaxed common sense, same-page approach , I'm glad I'm still involved with my mare. Alpha, Good under saddle, must lead the leader! Thank you so much! I've been training horses and special needs kids long enough to be a believer@
🤣this type of mare can eat your lunch if you don't know what you are doing. Lots of "mare speak" to see what you are all about and how you handle yourself. I like what you said about when she works too hard her brain shuts off....I call it "catching a buzz". Pretty cool mare in the right situation
I can always tell by the comments how horse knowledgeable the person is. I can tell by the few comments you've made that you are someone I'd like to ride with you and pick your brain.
@Tim Anderson Ranch and Horse Training thank you for your kind words. I have been thinking the same thing🤔😊. I came here to watch some young horse stuff but I'm VERY interested in the way y'all use lateral flexion as such an integral part of riding "back to front". I just bought my first QH, a GREEN cow pony prospect. I'm learning so much from your videos. Thank you for your time and I'd love to ride with you as well...I coukd be a lot better with my green horses!🙏
I'm going to throw this out there too. Just because she becomes a great horse for Tim, is no guarantee she will be the right horse for her owner. Fingers crossed for mare. I'm reminded of a phrase I used to hear a lot from older cowboys, "well I can ride him fine, no guarantee you can" 🤣 Professional trainers with a successful track record are worth their weight in gold to the horse. When they're also honest and realistic with owners double the gold.
Thanks for the video! In Russia a lot of good kind horses end up on a slaughter because they were born to be meat (so-called "meat herd") for some non-slavic nations from post-soviet area who come to Russia to work like Mexicans in USA or they just have been living here since Russian Empire occupied Central Asia in 19 century. Horse meat is their "traditional food" and the amount of killed horses is horryfing. Of course we do have rescues but it's a drop in the sea. I watch your video to learn new things in hope to save one day a good horse from the fate of being a meat on someone's plate. I guess things about slaughtered horses are a bit different in our countries. Correct me if i get it wrong but as i understand the kill pens are kept by traders and then unsold horses from there go to slaughters. So in Russia we don't actually have kill pens. If we want to save a horse we should buy them directly from the butcher. They sell them for about the same price as the weight. Usually a little more, but not enough to buy two horses after selling the first one. There is another option - to buy the horse from the owner before the animal gets to the butcher. But it is not that easy. Usually such owners contact the butcher directly. They don't want to "waste time" looking for a good owner. Horse farms often do this when they need to get rid of "defective" animals that do not meet the breed standards in terms of exterior or psyche. In any case, buying a horse from a slaughterhouse is a pig in a poke. But usually butchers offer to buy healthy horses with normal psyche. They immediately kill terminally ill and crazy horses and do not give them a chance. They do not even show them to rescuers. But healthy horses are also eventually getting killed if no one buys them within a certain period of time. I have heard that horse meat was banned in the US. Is that true? I know for sure that it is banned in some states. Wonderful country. And I mean it.
I enjoy watching your videos. Ive never been around horses but I'm noticing the "little" things you have talked about. Saw her left foot coming into your space and thought "oh, not good." This is fascinating!
Actually I have 2 round pens. I use them for certain things like desensitization. Speed and direction control builds from ground driving and ground driving builds from lunging on a line so I prefer my covered pen for this whole process.
Horses are very perceptive, they can figure out quickly if the humans handling them are good, fair leaders who they can trust... or not. If previous humans decided to send her to a kill pen, then its reasonable to assume they weren't trustworthy or fair leaders to her, so you can't blame her for having a sour attitude towards humans generally. Hopefully with a bit of time she'll come around and be a willing partner for her new owner
I’m sure you have heard that everything you do on one side of a horse, you have to do on the other. I've seen horses that were broke to ride on one side but when they look at you out of the other eye they would buck you off. A good trainer must train both sides
@@timandersonhorsetraining Tim do you find that with most horses that don’t respect space, it’s that they’ve had to be the leader because handler wasn’t? It’s been so for me. Not that they don’t resist me at first lol. But seem relieved once they find human is good leader.
@@tracyjohnson5023 why should a horse want a human to be a leader and how can we expect them to reason that way. People should try to communicate and respect a horse too
Outstanding! I’m going to look for your explanation on not disengaging the hindquarters as so much training info out there tells you to do it. I’m sold on your techniques sir! Thanks for your work!
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He should have more subscribers. He's the most common sense trainer I've seen. Makes sense.
Wonderful work! Got to be on the same page to live in the same barn. Thank you. I believe you'll be saving many of us with your videos.
He's wonderful! I watch him all the time! 🌸💖🌸
I am not going to miss a second of this series.
Amen for talking sale/kill pen horses. In 50 years with horses, most cheaper sale horses have a hole somewhere that’s why they’re at sale. It doesn’t have to be a behavior issue. That hole may be old age, lameness, real skinny, bucker, flips over, etc. It’s rare these days with the internet that somebody needs money bad enough to take their good horse to cheap sale when they can sell for more without leaving home.
Many of the bigger or registered sales have soundness guarantees with horse for a time period. These horses are bringing lots of money right now, but some of them have holes too. Although those holes tend to come on or get worse with new ownership.
Interesting mare.......wish she could talk! Ha! Or maybe not! Always a puzzle when someone gets a horse from an auction. Where are the holes in the horse....only way to find out is to start working with them step by step....if a horse shows little respect from the ground there is a good chance it will treat a rider the same way. I'm hoping she works out ok!! You will give her a good chance at success. And love the progress on your arena!
This work is so helpful! My 14 year old is coming out of the winter (4 months ago was the last ride) with similar pushy behavior. He seems so sour. Trying to be patient because we are still getting winter storms so maybe he's had enough of it too! I've been leading him as you demonstrated but not asking him to move out if he's not looking to me. He also will look out of the circle. So thanks for sharing! There is a lot here to help. Looking forward to seeing more! Thank you!
I learn some things every time I watch you work. Even if I've already watched one of your videos. I love the even keel you maintain when working with horses. Thank you for sharing!
Maggie seems like a rather stubborn girl that probably is going to need a bit of patience, in the beginning. I’m interested in the time frame of her progress.
My bet is, once you fix the holes in her ground fundamentals, she’ll be a great horse and partner.
Thank you for sharing Tim.
Your arena is absolutely gorgeous by the way. ❤️
I used to ride dressage horses. The hind end must be engaged so you become very aware when the hind legs are out behind. Clever horses can use "disengagement " as an evasion both under saddle and on the line. It is, in my opinion a backwards feeling when they learn this as the forward energy has "gone out the back" it feels like a splat.
You are one of the very few people who comment that actually understands hind end engagement and how important it is.
@Tim Anderson Ranch and Horse Training Holy cow, for me it's like a drug...once you have it you have the feeling you can do anything WITH your horse. Now...if I could just reliably produce it easily, I wouldn't be here....lol. truly humbling, these horses.
Tim, when you watch the video so you can add captions, do you see things that you didn’t notice when you were in the arena with her? Am looking forward to this series.
Yes I so. The camera gives a different angle. Like when I noted her leaning into me. I couldn't see how much she was leaning from where I was standing
Constisteny is the main ingredient with mares like her. My Phoenix has an abuse history and it was day in day out work with her even if it was just turning her out for the day. She needs a lot of stability. Kill pens are the last stop on the way to a horrible death. She knew it.
I like the arena and I am excited to see it up!
OMG, awesome covered arena!! Are you going to do a video on this?
Yes, soon
I LOVE this man's relaxed common sense, same-page approach , I'm glad I'm still involved with my mare. Alpha, Good under saddle, must lead the leader! Thank you so much! I've been training horses and special needs kids long enough to be a believer@
🤣this type of mare can eat your lunch if you don't know what you are doing. Lots of "mare speak" to see what you are all about and how you handle yourself. I like what you said about when she works too hard her brain shuts off....I call it "catching a buzz". Pretty cool mare in the right situation
I can always tell by the comments how horse knowledgeable the person is. I can tell by the few comments you've made that you are someone I'd like to ride with you and pick your brain.
@Tim Anderson Ranch and Horse Training thank you for your kind words. I have been thinking the same thing🤔😊. I came here to watch some young horse stuff but I'm VERY interested in the way y'all use lateral flexion as such an integral part of riding "back to front". I just bought my first QH, a GREEN cow pony prospect. I'm learning so much from your videos. Thank you for your time and I'd love to ride with you as well...I coukd be a lot better with my green horses!🙏
I'm going to throw this out there too. Just because she becomes a great horse for Tim, is no guarantee she will be the right horse for her owner. Fingers crossed for mare.
I'm reminded of a phrase I used to hear a lot from older cowboys, "well I can ride him fine, no guarantee you can" 🤣
Professional trainers with a successful track record are worth their weight in gold to the horse. When they're also honest and realistic with owners double the gold.
I just love your videos- cant wait to watch your progress with Maggie!
Thanks for the video! In Russia a lot of good kind horses end up on a slaughter because they were born to be meat (so-called "meat herd") for some non-slavic nations from post-soviet area who come to Russia to work like Mexicans in USA or they just have been living here since Russian Empire occupied Central Asia in 19 century. Horse meat is their "traditional food" and the amount of killed horses is horryfing. Of course we do have rescues but it's a drop in the sea. I watch your video to learn new things in hope to save one day a good horse from the fate of being a meat on someone's plate. I guess things about slaughtered horses are a bit different in our countries. Correct me if i get it wrong but as i understand the kill pens are kept by traders and then unsold horses from there go to slaughters. So in Russia we don't actually have kill pens. If we want to save a horse we should buy them directly from the butcher. They sell them for about the same price as the weight. Usually a little more, but not enough to buy two horses after selling the first one.
There is another option - to buy the horse from the owner before the animal gets to the butcher. But it is not that easy. Usually such owners contact the butcher directly. They don't want to "waste time" looking for a good owner. Horse farms often do this when they need to get rid of "defective" animals that do not meet the breed standards in terms of exterior or psyche. In any case, buying a horse from a slaughterhouse is a pig in a poke. But usually butchers offer to buy healthy horses with normal psyche. They immediately kill terminally ill and crazy horses and do not give them a chance. They do not even show them to rescuers. But healthy horses are also eventually getting killed if no one buys them within a certain period of time. I have heard that horse meat was banned in the US. Is that true? I know for sure that it is banned in some states. Wonderful country. And I mean it.
How about a 5 y/o horse that won't move? Disrespectful, pushy and 0 ground manners! Great video by the way.
She does otherwise seem to be in quite good condition, so it does raise the question; why was she condemned?
Exactly my thought.
Probably stolen and got a quick $ for meat slaughter.....Horse auctions will soon be illegal...."Horse Safe Act" now in Congress........
My guess would be minimum, she crushed someone's foot purposefully. Then, if ridden, she hurt a kid and the owner swore it would never happen again.
I was wondering how you were getting her to work so hard until you said she was being dramatic
Is she an OTTB ? Really looking forward to seeing her progress
No she's not OTTB.
Horses & kids both know when it's not your first rodeo.
I enjoy watching your videos. Ive never been around horses but I'm noticing the "little" things you have talked about. Saw her left foot coming into your space and thought "oh, not good." This is fascinating!
If you had a round pen would you use it? Or do you prefer the lunge line?
Actually I have 2 round pens. I use them for certain things like desensitization. Speed and direction control builds from ground driving and ground driving builds from lunging on a line so I prefer my covered pen for this whole process.
Great job being calm and gentle❤ . 61 and about to work on a similar mare only she's jumpy too. 😬
uuuugh. This is the epitome of my horse whom I'm having problems with. Thank you. Great video!
Horses are very perceptive, they can figure out quickly if the humans handling them are good, fair leaders who they can trust... or not. If previous humans decided to send her to a kill pen, then its reasonable to assume they weren't trustworthy or fair leaders to her, so you can't blame her for having a sour attitude towards humans generally. Hopefully with a bit of time she'll come around and be a willing partner for her new owner
It's weird that a horse can be trained well on one side and not on the other.
I’m sure you have heard that everything you do on one side of a horse, you have to do on the other. I've seen horses that were broke to ride on one side but when they look at you out of the other eye they would buck you off. A good trainer must train both sides
This makes me see how I'm probably way too aggressive with this type of horse.
Looking forward to more videos of you working with Maggie!!
Nice to see her behavior change for the better. Thanx for sharing.
Thanks!
Thank you
This is so interesting and informative. Can't wait to see how this progresses
You got a cover for your pen!!!❤🎉😊
Very good!
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Tim do you think she was hand fed treats ? That’s why she walking into you
If she was hand fed treats she'd be coming at me wirh her mouth. She is wanting to claim my space, that means she does not respect my leadership.
@@timandersonhorsetraining Tim do you find that with most horses that don’t respect space, it’s that they’ve had to be the leader because handler wasn’t? It’s been so for me. Not that they don’t resist me at first lol. But seem relieved once they find human is good leader.
@@tracyjohnson5023 why should a horse want a human to be a leader and how can we expect them to reason that way. People should try to communicate and respect a horse too
Outstanding! I’m going to look for your explanation on not disengaging the hindquarters as so much training info out there tells you to do it. I’m sold on your techniques sir! Thanks for your work!
Me too!
Maggie seems relatively young. She did correct easily. I'm excited to see how she does.