I hear you. It's been 7 years since they discontinued hydropneumatic suspension in Citroens, and we all miss it, but I honestly doubt it'll ever make a comeback. Us Citroen fans know how good it is but everyone else thinks it's complicated and unnecessary, unfortunately.
@@Spurdospaerde692 Mclaren cars have a super modern active hydraulic suspension in which the 4 wheels are not connected and a computer balances the car individually. This is a licensed technology invented by the Citroen rally team. But do they bother using it, themselves? Nope
To be honest, I actually do like it and I do agree that it would have been nicer to see it branded as a Citroën. But I guess Stellantis has positioned DS to be more posh and extravagant and in that case it makes more sense. However, from a historical point of view it should have been a Citroën because of that. First thought I had when I saw the car for the first time was: What a relief that someone made a concept that is a coupé and not a SUV! In todays world that means that they have balls to present a car like this. I really applaud them for that and the effort put in into the work. It gives me hope for the future of cars. Stellantis at least gave them the chance to develop the concept, they could have said no directly. Maybe this will inspire other car manufacturers as well? I also hope that Stellantis has the balls to develop it further and to industrialise the model and eventually releasing to the market. But maybe that is taking things too far when realising who the CEO is, I don't know. I wish to see this car at a Citroën dealership in a few years. My two cents on this topic.
@@danielmalvestam6811 you've raised a valid point. In a world of SUVs and crossovers, it's a relief to see a good looking coupé. I honestly doubt other manufacturers will follow, unless of course, they put it into production and sell millions of them.
@@comcarclub I think in order to be able to sell millions of these, the concept needs to be expanded. What I mean by that is that DS and Citroën could play more with the concept. The coupé concept is a great starting point, why not create an estate version of the car and a saloon or hatchback version of it? I mean I know that the original SM was never made as an estate, but the old DS was. And definitely bring back hydropneumatic suspension! The estate version in turn could also be made in two variants, a normal one and another even more raised version to target the retarded SUV market. The C5 tourer was made in the normal version and the XTR version that was 15-20 mm higher if I'm not wrong. Volvo did this with the old V70 and v70XC, and is still doing it with the new V90. The same goes with Audi with their A4 and A6 Avants and the Allroad versions. That would be refreshing to see, at least for me. The normal cars have better fuel economy or battery performance than the SUVs and are more planted and stable in higher speeds or at windy conditions. I would love to see a continuation of the concept in that direction. Coupés are nisch products, but estates and saloon/hatchbacks appeals to the big masses generally and thus could generate the millions in numbers of produced cars if they become a success. Someone needs to set the trend and direction away from the SUVs. Why not Citroën or DS? Citroën was always quirky before and people loved that. Why not pick up the ball again and show the way and be proud of the heritage?
Exotic style like the original SM. Agree with you on the steering yoke. Can you imagine the rooster tails of water coming out of the cut outs of the rear wheel arch in the rain... Hydropnematic suspension please... Can I have a brake mushroom pedal. Stellantis are not big on wowing us with production cars...
Finally! Someone also noticed there was no mention of an engine! I seriously doubt they would put in a V6 of any kind, I bet they'd give it the 1.6l petrol hybrid powertrain current DS's have
@@romanobezuidenhout7506 but sm stood for special project maserati, so this is just s. SM should stand for special mechanic, since it needs one for the suspension and one for the engine.
I fully approve them placing it under DS brand. Citroen unfortunately have no chance if they try to sell it under Citroen brand, and DS allows them to aim for higher paying customers.
Had anyone noticed how the Citroën Oli concept only went as far as replacing the lights of mid refresh Citroen models? I rather the C4 fascia stay the way it is! Anyways that's about as genuine Stellantis is with new concepts, face value. I like the SM, I'm just feeling too cynical to believed it by about how DS has been mishandled
100% agree with the fascia bit. I loved the look that started with the C-Cactus, I believe. Distinctive, sleek and futuristic. I really prefer it to the fascia of the Oli and the new C3
Generally I like it, rear lights could be more SMish, the extra orifice over the rear wheel skirt seems a bit unnecessary, and definitely the yolk/wheel thing is terrible. I feel the whole DS brand is pointless, should just be Citroën. I just can't see Stelantis taking any of their brands to new heights.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the rear lights either, though I definitely think they could be worse. It seems I'm the only one who likes the orifice over the rear wheel!
The 'DS" brand is cynical, absurd and irrelevant. The brand Citroën EARNED its iconic, historic status and that cannot be replaced with some marketing nonsense, however 'luxurious'.
You said it well brother. "...no iconic cars...." that goes to show that back then designers were realy inspired and had a vivid imagination. Today they are all driven by cost effectiveness and trends. I happen to like the DS9, but ..... usual story, I don't see it on the streets too much and.....how much for a basic model???? 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
Mmm... Citroën is no stranger to concepts, I don't know what to think about the renders, so I guess "we'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it". On the other random news/thoughts in my empty head: Peugeot 508 estate looks very _sexy_ and *amazing* , in and out, in comparison to C5 X. That's all for now, good night everybody.
I agree with the 508 assessment for the outside, but inside, I could never get used to that f#$king tiny steering wheel and the gauge cluster above it. I was at a company that had a 208 as it's car, and I did thousands of miles behind the wheel, and I hated it, one of the reasons being I could never get the wheel at a height where it felt comfortable and I could see the gauges at the same time.
I think it's pretty cool although I don't like the opening in the rear arches. Indeed it feels a bit strange that it carries the DS badge, but lets face it, DS is marketed as a separate brand, but of course it isn't. Here you buy a DS at the citroen dealer.
@@comcarclub Well, for sure the orifice is somewhat original. But it serves no purpose imho, and it's a long way off from the covered rear wheels on the SM, which do serve a purpose (streamlining). But we're never gonna see this in production, or anything that looks like it. Even far more 'marketfriendly' good looking prototypes of the past never made it to production. The fantastic 'metropolis' comes to mind. The DS9 should have been the production version of that, but it didn't look anything like it... To me, after the C5 ph3 and especially C6, and 1st gen DS3, Citroen/DS lost it as a pillar of styling and avant garde in the automotive sector. Nothing they produce now appeals to me.
@@mrpetit2 oh I definitely agree. Another concept I wish had made it into production was the C-Airplay. Remember that one? I also agree with those Citroens you mentioned, each and every one, they really were all some of the best cars with chevrons on the front for quite a while. As you say, these days, current Citroens are uninspiring, though I've seen the C5 X more commonly recently and I have to admit that I do find it... interesting, shall we say
Liked @75. I really like this concept, looks stunning and I like the effort to recapture the original, beautiful looks. I think the gap above the rear wheels might be to allow air cooling for the rear tyres.
I too hate the fact it's a Ds. The Sm was pure Citroën, peak Citroën... Ds as a brand is all about playing it safe and not living up to what it is marketing itself to be. Bring back Citroën! If I were to own an Sm one day I dream of the real one, the only Sm worthy of the name. The 1970's piece of art on wheels. Sa majesté... Thanks for sharing your thoughts !
The original SM looks more futuristic than this. This is a ok attempt as a concept if it was original but when the inspiration is better... And besides they have no intention in making DS competitive by making a new Flagship that could actually compete
I can't see it making the production line, sadly, even though i don't like the new moon cutout on the rear wheels and the daft steering 'wheel'. But Stellantis have no engine worthy of such a design. Can you imagine that w the 1.2 petrol shocker? Don't even mention diesel in the same room as SM.
Unless Stellantis bring back the hydropneumatic suspension there is no way that this or any other DS will make it to the status achieved by the true Citroen of old. Look at the DS9 flop and we can all see the future of the brand. Only Peugeot will make it out of this European Market transformation.
That'll never happen. To us enthusiasts, the hydropneumatic suspension is a Citroen USP. For everyone else it's a complicated system that will be expensive to fix if it goes wrong. Heck, even my wife likes Citroens but the three buttons for the Up, Down and Sport next to the gearknob flummox her.
Indeed it should be a Citroen. The yoke is nothing new, it was already in an other portotype, the activa 1 & 2. The opning above the rear wheels should be left out (aerodynamics), the rear lights are probably designed with the US market in mind.
DS SM. Copying someone else’s homework because you don’t know the answers. Who exactly ARE the world’s great car designers now anyway? Anybody know? Deep Thought from Hitch Hiker’s Guide To The Galaxy maybe?
it's overdesigned.... Why they feel the need to overshoot a classic design, like they have to prove that they've learnt something in the college while they have spent no time to connect with the original... I am sorry, but I don't like it much, since I feel that even concept cars must have this reality feeling, while 90% of this concept can't be mass manufactured in a reasonable way and cost... It's like the new designer had to prove something that he can't do...
I think I know what you mean, but I usually feel that concept cars hardly ever feel like they're production-ready, IMHO. They're usually just style statements to test certain aesthetic proposals like the clamshell doors or steering yoke, and I think the designers know that. Do you mind if ask of a concept car you remember that was close to the production model? Can't think of any off the top of my head except the Citroen Airplay. Thanks for commenting
@@comcarclub some quick cars that come to my mind are the Nissan GTR, The McLaren P1, many Alfa Romeo, The Audi TT was a shock back then, the BMW Z from the bond era, the Honda E was a recent surprise, The Hyundai Vision seems to find it's way to production, The cool BMW M1 in the end of 2000 that never made to production, but seemed that it could be (I blame the 2009) and many more. Some came into production, some no, but I like the real world approach of the designers, where they had in mind real production methods and a mind that their design was a prototype for production, and not just for show. On the other hand I put this DS in the same category as the Audi that became short or long and the cars that have no driver, no matter if the parent company has never put a dollar to even develop driverless assistance. That's why from some point on, these designers just stay in the non physical form of the prototype, without making even a clay model. I remember, even the crazy concept wedge cars from the 60s and 70s, were usable and most of them can be driven today.
Hydropneumatic suspension? No? Then why even bother.
I hear you. It's been 7 years since they discontinued hydropneumatic suspension in Citroens, and we all miss it, but I honestly doubt it'll ever make a comeback. Us Citroen fans know how good it is but everyone else thinks it's complicated and unnecessary, unfortunately.
@@Spurdospaerde692 Mclaren cars have a super modern active hydraulic suspension in which the 4 wheels are not connected and a computer balances the car individually. This is a licensed technology invented by the Citroen rally team. But do they bother using it, themselves? Nope
To be honest, I actually do like it and I do agree that it would have been nicer to see it branded as a Citroën. But I guess Stellantis has positioned DS to be more posh and extravagant and in that case it makes more sense. However, from a historical point of view it should have been a Citroën because of that. First thought I had when I saw the car for the first time was: What a relief that someone made a concept that is a coupé and not a SUV! In todays world that means that they have balls to present a car like this. I really applaud them for that and the effort put in into the work. It gives me hope for the future of cars. Stellantis at least gave them the chance to develop the concept, they could have said no directly. Maybe this will inspire other car manufacturers as well? I also hope that Stellantis has the balls to develop it further and to industrialise the model and eventually releasing to the market. But maybe that is taking things too far when realising who the CEO is, I don't know. I wish to see this car at a Citroën dealership in a few years. My two cents on this topic.
@@danielmalvestam6811 you've raised a valid point. In a world of SUVs and crossovers, it's a relief to see a good looking coupé. I honestly doubt other manufacturers will follow, unless of course, they put it into production and sell millions of them.
@@comcarclub I think in order to be able to sell millions of these, the concept needs to be expanded. What I mean by that is that DS and Citroën could play more with the concept. The coupé concept is a great starting point, why not create an estate version of the car and a saloon or hatchback version of it? I mean I know that the original SM was never made as an estate, but the old DS was. And definitely bring back hydropneumatic suspension! The estate version in turn could also be made in two variants, a normal one and another even more raised version to target the retarded SUV market. The C5 tourer was made in the normal version and the XTR version that was 15-20 mm higher if I'm not wrong. Volvo did this with the old V70 and v70XC, and is still doing it with the new V90. The same goes with Audi with their A4 and A6 Avants and the Allroad versions. That would be refreshing to see, at least for me. The normal cars have better fuel economy or battery performance than the SUVs and are more planted and stable in higher speeds or at windy conditions. I would love to see a continuation of the concept in that direction. Coupés are nisch products, but estates and saloon/hatchbacks appeals to the big masses generally and thus could generate the millions in numbers of produced cars if they become a success. Someone needs to set the trend and direction away from the SUVs. Why not Citroën or DS? Citroën was always quirky before and people loved that. Why not pick up the ball again and show the way and be proud of the heritage?
This is a beautiful car. I want it. I want the concept car to go into production👌👍💪
Exotic style like the original SM.
Agree with you on the steering yoke.
Can you imagine the rooster tails of water coming out of the cut outs of the rear wheel arch in the rain...
Hydropnematic suspension please...
Can I have a brake mushroom pedal.
Stellantis are not big on wowing us with production cars...
Mushroom pedal for a brake is a good one!
It looks amazing! That will definitely help boost car sales! 🌞
Devia ser mesmo um Citroen!
it looks so sleek! :o
Lovely car, it seems beautiful and chic 🙂
Very interesting video 👍
Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
If it doesn't have a maserati v6 then it's not an sm, and since both companies are a part of stellantis now it should make things easier.
Finally! Someone also noticed there was no mention of an engine! I seriously doubt they would put in a V6 of any kind, I bet they'd give it the 1.6l petrol hybrid powertrain current DS's have
The Maserati V6 was actually the weakest part of the SM. The rest was all good!
@@romanobezuidenhout7506 but sm stood for special project maserati, so this is just s. SM should stand for special mechanic, since it needs one for the suspension and one for the engine.
I fully approve them placing it under DS brand. Citroen unfortunately have no chance if they try to sell it under Citroen brand, and DS allows them to aim for higher paying customers.
Had anyone noticed how the Citroën Oli concept only went as far as replacing the lights of mid refresh Citroen models? I rather the C4 fascia stay the way it is!
Anyways that's about as genuine Stellantis is with new concepts, face value.
I like the SM, I'm just feeling too cynical to believed it by about how DS has been mishandled
100% agree with the fascia bit. I loved the look that started with the C-Cactus, I believe. Distinctive, sleek and futuristic. I really prefer it to the fascia of the Oli and the new C3
Generally I like it, rear lights could be more SMish, the extra orifice over the rear wheel skirt seems a bit unnecessary, and definitely the yolk/wheel thing is terrible. I feel the whole DS brand is pointless, should just be Citroën. I just can't see Stelantis taking any of their brands to new heights.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the rear lights either, though I definitely think they could be worse. It seems I'm the only one who likes the orifice over the rear wheel!
The 'DS" brand is cynical, absurd and irrelevant. The brand Citroën EARNED its iconic, historic status and that cannot be replaced with some marketing nonsense, however 'luxurious'.
You said it well brother. "...no iconic cars...." that goes to show that back then designers were realy inspired and had a vivid imagination. Today they are all driven by cost effectiveness and trends. I happen to like the DS9, but ..... usual story, I don't see it on the streets too much and.....how much for a basic model???? 😂😂😂😂👍👍👍
Yeah, the DS9 is unfortunate. They made a saloon that's good-looking, but not as good-looking as they could have, IMHO
Mmm... Citroën is no stranger to concepts, I don't know what to think about the renders, so I guess "we'll cross that bridge when/if we get to it".
On the other random news/thoughts in my empty head: Peugeot 508 estate looks very _sexy_ and *amazing* , in and out, in comparison to C5 X. That's all for now, good night everybody.
I agree with the 508 assessment for the outside, but inside, I could never get used to that f#$king tiny steering wheel and the gauge cluster above it. I was at a company that had a 208 as it's car, and I did thousands of miles behind the wheel, and I hated it, one of the reasons being I could never get the wheel at a height where it felt comfortable and I could see the gauges at the same time.
I think it's pretty cool although I don't like the opening in the rear arches.
Indeed it feels a bit strange that it carries the DS badge, but lets face it, DS is marketed as a separate brand, but of course it isn't.
Here you buy a DS at the citroen dealer.
@@mrpetit2 from all the comments I must be the only person apart from the designer who likes that rear wheel arch orifice!
@@comcarclub Well, for sure the orifice is somewhat original. But it serves no purpose imho, and it's a long way off from the covered rear wheels on the SM, which do serve a purpose (streamlining).
But we're never gonna see this in production, or anything that looks like it. Even far more 'marketfriendly' good looking prototypes of the past never made it to production. The fantastic 'metropolis' comes to mind. The DS9 should have been the production version of that, but it didn't look anything like it...
To me, after the C5 ph3 and especially C6, and 1st gen DS3, Citroen/DS lost it as a pillar of styling and avant garde in the automotive sector.
Nothing they produce now appeals to me.
@@mrpetit2 oh I definitely agree. Another concept I wish had made it into production was the C-Airplay. Remember that one? I also agree with those Citroens you mentioned, each and every one, they really were all some of the best cars with chevrons on the front for quite a while. As you say, these days, current Citroens are uninspiring, though I've seen the C5 X more commonly recently and I have to admit that I do find it... interesting, shall we say
Good luck for tomorrow.
@@wanderingorganist 🙏
was your father Avon from Blake's 7?
@@bargibargibargi why, do you think I look like him?!
@@comcarclub very much so 😁
@@bargibargibargi 😂
Hope the back gets better really soon.
Thanks! I'm undergoing surgery this Thursday
@@comcarclub it doesn't need to be said, but I'll say it anyway - good luck.
@@wanderingorganist Thanks!
Liked @75. I really like this concept, looks stunning and I like the effort to recapture the original, beautiful looks. I think the gap above the rear wheels might be to allow air cooling for the rear tyres.
I too hate the fact it's a Ds.
The Sm was pure Citroën, peak Citroën...
Ds as a brand is all about playing it safe and not living up to what it is marketing itself to be.
Bring back Citroën!
If I were to own an Sm one day I dream of the real one, the only Sm worthy of the name. The 1970's piece of art on wheels. Sa majesté...
Thanks for sharing your thoughts !
@@guillaumeromain6694 stellantis is always playing it safe, that's why everything they make sucks so much
Edit:typo
@@comcarclub I agree with you. Their products are bland at best. When it works...
Newly subscribed, I enjoy your channel.
@@guillaumeromain6694 thanks so much!!
The original SM looks more futuristic than this. This is a ok attempt as a concept if it was original but when the inspiration is better... And besides they have no intention in making DS competitive by making a new Flagship that could actually compete
Interesting
I really hate that rear wheel opening. Other than that I think it's nice.
I can't see it making the production line, sadly, even though i don't like the new moon cutout on the rear wheels and the daft steering 'wheel'. But Stellantis have no engine worthy of such a design. Can you imagine that w the 1.2 petrol shocker? Don't even mention diesel in the same room as SM.
100% agree with the engine bit. They'd probably give it the C5 X hybrid powertrain
Unless Stellantis bring back the hydropneumatic suspension there is no way that this or any other DS will make it to the status achieved by the true Citroen of old.
Look at the DS9 flop and we can all see the future of the brand.
Only Peugeot will make it out of this European Market transformation.
That'll never happen. To us enthusiasts, the hydropneumatic suspension is a Citroen USP. For everyone else it's a complicated system that will be expensive to fix if it goes wrong. Heck, even my wife likes Citroens but the three buttons for the Up, Down and Sport next to the gearknob flummox her.
There rear window looks more Renault fuego
@@massive_eggo it does, now you mention it
Was the same designer as the SM, GS and CX. He also did the R9, R11 and R25.
They need to make a BX type, cheap, and with hydropneumatic suspension ‼️
And not with a wet timing belt in the engine………
Indeed it should be a Citroen. The yoke is nothing new, it was already in an other portotype, the activa 1 & 2. The opning above the rear wheels should be left out (aerodynamics), the rear lights are probably designed with the US market in mind.
But why waste the iconic brand Citroën?!
What? This is the sort of car Citroen should be making, IMHO. Big, beautiful and bold.
DS SM. Copying someone else’s homework because you don’t know the answers. Who exactly ARE the world’s great car designers now anyway? Anybody know? Deep Thought from Hitch Hiker’s Guide To The Galaxy maybe?
it's overdesigned.... Why they feel the need to overshoot a classic design, like they have to prove that they've learnt something in the college while they have spent no time to connect with the original... I am sorry, but I don't like it much, since I feel that even concept cars must have this reality feeling, while 90% of this concept can't be mass manufactured in a reasonable way and cost... It's like the new designer had to prove something that he can't do...
I think I know what you mean, but I usually feel that concept cars hardly ever feel like they're production-ready, IMHO. They're usually just style statements to test certain aesthetic proposals like the clamshell doors or steering yoke, and I think the designers know that. Do you mind if ask of a concept car you remember that was close to the production model? Can't think of any off the top of my head except the Citroen Airplay.
Thanks for commenting
@@comcarclub some quick cars that come to my mind are the Nissan GTR, The McLaren P1, many Alfa Romeo, The Audi TT was a shock back then, the BMW Z from the bond era, the Honda E was a recent surprise, The Hyundai Vision seems to find it's way to production, The cool BMW M1 in the end of 2000 that never made to production, but seemed that it could be (I blame the 2009) and many more. Some came into production, some no, but I like the real world approach of the designers, where they had in mind real production methods and a mind that their design was a prototype for production, and not just for show.
On the other hand I put this DS in the same category as the Audi that became short or long and the cars that have no driver, no matter if the parent company has never put a dollar to even develop driverless assistance. That's why from some point on, these designers just stay in the non physical form of the prototype, without making even a clay model.
I remember, even the crazy concept wedge cars from the 60s and 70s, were usable and most of them can be driven today.