abt the omega x situation twitter.com/rendezvoooux_/status/1584163228598169600?s=46&t=tVZCX5Ie_cPQCx8oWTN2xQ twitter.com/likebinarystar/status/1584492017098567681?s=46&t=tVZCX5Ie_cPQCx8oWTN2xQ protect omega x petition chng.it/7KSXJGWdDP discord server link
please make sure to sign the petition under the thread, it is to get omega x's abusive ceo and staff under investigation. please, the boys dont deserve this (i stanned most of their old groups before they joined ox and i even met xen, jehyun and hangyeom. they are the most precious people ever)
Agreed! My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, but Stray Kids are definitely very close as well, they're amazing!
skz is such a talented group and all the members outside 3racha have been writing lyrics and participating in composing songs. not to mention how they also release skz-records and skz-players that shows each member's colour.. they're just amazing
I can tell you for a fact Jongho is integral to Ateez’s sound. When I went to their concert Jongho hurt his foot halfway through and had to sit out the rest of it. Hearing many of their songs like Inception and Turbulence without him was weird and definitely felt like something was missing.
thanks for talking about omega x even though I’m not a forx, it’s still sad to see this happening, *in public* at that; it also makes me wonder what other situations are happening behind the scenes
But hey you can't deny their title tracks are always serve bc all the title tracks they have put out there are just hit after hit. Maybe not in western kpop community but definitely in asian kpop community. Aju nice, pretty u, mansae, fear, hit, adore u and so much more. They are every with these songs in variety shows, in vlog, k-yt shows and channels. They have a pretty solid discography. Bro I always say this but we need seventeen to stay forever. They are like the golden group in kpop. They bring something to the table. The energy, performance, music, variety shows, vocals, fun and natural charisma makes them such precious group in kpop I'm not even a carat just a casual listener but their music 10/10. 👍
Jongho is the glue that ties ATEEZ sound together. I actually thought about is Jongho really needed in ATEEZ, and his power vocals fits the sound ATEEZ is intentionally making. I agree that Victon wouldn't change as much but Hanse's effect on songs makes a good song great.
I also feel like with the Enhypen situation, this is something common with forging groups through survival show. I bring up treasure a lot but I genuinely think that what YG did with treasure, having a mini series before debut that fostered team bonding to bring them together more as a group, was very smart and should be mandatory for companies that debut groups through survival shows because realistically if you have them compete and then launch them into a group they’re obviously gonna feel some tension.
As an Engene there is no tension but there is awkwardness. They agreed to move on from ILand the night they won. They are all in good terms but they aren't as close or there is still awkwardness because they werent allowed to speak to each other when they were trainees. They only started knowing about each other in ILand so unlike other groups who trained together for years and debuted together, they aren't as close as of yet. But they're building their relationship. No matter what haters say, Sunoo said himself they've never fought and he never tell lies
@@hanniefrei I feel like there is tension, but only because after the Sunoo situation escalated you can't help but over-analysing every interaction e.g. Did they force Sunghoon to partner up with Sunoo to smooth over the situation subtly? Was eh attempting to insult someone with that? Why does this member look so uncomfortable? It seems extreme, but after such a thing you do lose confidence in a group and the relationship you thought they had. We're all just genuinely concerned for Sunoo and we want all the members to be having a great time as idols and support and lean on each other like family so we tend to notice the small things that could be a red flag.
I seriously don't see any negative things this video creator said exist in iland. Scratched my head really hard here. They said they DIDN'T even watch it but publicly stating a poorly informed opinion based solely what their friend said? Or did i misunderstand them , that they actually watched it? If not, their opinion is just ridiculous, just jumping on a negative weagon without seeing it themselves. And don't get me started on bodyshaming sunoo thing when it's literally only being brought up by international solo stans. Do i hear any korean engene complaining about it? A lot of the accusations also based on mistranslation and zero knowledge of korean pun or language, as i saw an example in one weverse live.
On the other hand i just realised that my favorite groups all came from survival shows 🤣....i must be the only 1 who don't mind watching survival shows and never cried or being emotional or attached to it. They gave me a sort of a pre debut platform to get to know contestants or debuted members.
i didn’t state my own opinion based solely on what my friend said, i just said if that was the case, there being tension on iland, then that’s probably why engenes feel the way they do, that’s probably why ppl think enhypen aren’t close. i didn’t watch iland, like i said, so i don’t know, like i also said. you definitely misunderstood. i don’t have an opinion on their friendship, i could honestly care less. i was just saying that i didn’t notice any tension between the members when i used to be a fan. that was my response to the opinion.
i believe that jongho's vocals fit ateez's sound so wonderfully! he gives the group a distinct musical colour. but when it comes to performance, i can only imagine him shining as a soloist. so in that sense i can see what op was trying (?) to say.
I just checked some of their songs, I still have to continue listening to a video ranking them because it gives me a few seconds of introduction of about a hundred of songs 😅. I know only a few before One thing i noticed, this is my personal opinion from their songs that i like, their pre chorus and choruses are good
Idk the more I watch enhypen the more I feel they are are sincere about their bond with each other. Those boys are growing, they are sincere but are also shy with being totally vulnerable. Its a delicate thing. But as far as I can tell, they are doing their best to showcase how much they mean to each other in as honest way as they can. The kpop community just runs with an opinion without watching any content and it pisses me off tbh. And its been 2 years since i-land, they've grown together since then. They agree themselves it was mentally hard and have agreed to put it behind them. Also they did vouch for each other through i-land in their own ways as well. I would argue that the people who played the cleanest and made efforts to bond actually ended up in enhypen. Also also, many of them were trainees together before that. Jake, ni-ki and sunoo got to know the others a short while before i-land. It was very cliquey though, not going to lie. But by the 2nd phase, it was mostly all out the window.
iland was 2 years ago can we move on now.. like enhypen is close now and if you watch any concert clip or content they uploaded for the past months they show how thankful they are to each other and they are determined to make music together and put so much effort to show the best performances to engenes. you all just keep bringing back iland when the first thing that enhypen said in the first episode of enha&hi is to forget about the rankings and all the competition because they are a group now and it will always them 7.
im just so fucking tired of people mostly non-engenes pulling out fake narratives like having tension within the group and seeing each other as competition and them just being co-workers likeee you don't get to speak on enhypen
I think the opinion was saying that the tensions in the past could be an underlying reason for issues today (e.g. Sunoo situation). Enhypen is defiantly close, and the opinion said that it was better now, but like yoshified then responded it makes sense that they aren't besties yet. They need more time as a group and hopefully everything will get better. I-LAND wasn't really thought about either, until the Sunoo situation tho - that's when we lost faith in the groups relationship and began to question their interactions.
Exactly, and i heard this video right, they said they didn't even watch it? Like, huh? I watched it when it was on in 2020 and on youtube, i never see anything they said exist in iland
OPINION 4: it's ENHYPEN FANS Not the BOYS that are stuck on ILAND. Each members fandom is so competitive with the other members. they're treating it like the boys are still competing against each other when they don't. The first thing ENHYPEN agreed on immediately after they won ILand is to forget the competition and voting on ILand and start as clean slate as a team, the fans should do the same. THE BOYS are close, if you listen to their lives they all are very caring of each other. when Heeseung is asleep, the rest stop making noise, Jay cooks and buys them food, Jake comforts the just being the person he is, Sunghoon makes them laugh, the maknaes bring them energy and brightness. Now you can't expect them to be as close as SVT, NCT, etc because though they trained together before ILand they were not allowed to speak to each other. They only grew close since ILand So theyre still learning a d adjusting to each other but Sunoo always said they never fought, and he never lies.
And I didn't think that their relationship was tense until the Sunoo situation. That's when you cantle help but question the relationship and their interactions and wonder what might've led to it. The opinion is definitely right that I-LAND was a shit survival show and caused tension between all the competitors, but you are also right that it is better now (I actually think the opinion said this too). It's just that the Sunoo situation made ENGENE's doubt stuff and go back to I-LAND for an explanation. I-LAND is also a good reason why ENHYPEN aren't besties yet, they need more time as a group to get closer and to let go of past conflict created in I-LAND.
@@skzstarstruck1930 I still think you need to let go of this narrative that they aren't besties yet because I've heard them mention it time and again about how much they mean to each other, how their daily interactions is the light of their life (paraphrasing) and the little things they find adorable about each other, how much they miss each other and such. They're not going to repeatedly mention how much they love each other or how they are a family because it's not their nature. They don't even visibly cringe, they really are genuine but shy. Which means that the times they do, it's more meaningful. I'm not saying there aren't communication breakdowns because it really seems there are. I can even go as far as to say tgere have been instances where the members have felt tense or annoyed over the situation, that's true. But isn't that justified and normal? The way they do express their adoration though is through little things.. things that make me think their bond is more genuine than 80% of the groups out there. Saying serious stuff low-key so that it doesn't embarrass them, but the other members do pick up on the sentiment. That's the way they communicate. I think their relationship is delicate and beautiful but that's on me for being a lil bit too emotional over them lol. Which explains me writing paragraphs over them unprompted 🙂
@@april_showers14 It's not some narrative I'm holding that they aren't besties or never will be. I'm not denying how much they love each other or the things they do for each other. I'm simply trying to acknowledge that yes I-LAND was traumatising, yes I-LAND was toxic and as much as everyone says let it go, let it go, I-LAND is literally the reason they get so many scandals. As I was trying to say in my previous response - the Sunoo fatshaming situation is partially caused by I-LAND because I-LAND was shit. And once everyone realised 'oh fuck, Sunoo's getting body shamed' did you expect us to all just go 'it's ok, they love each other it doesn't matter?' This had such a widespread effect on fans and made many people question the relationships they thought Enhypen had. Suddenly moments that seemed like friendly jokes had deeper meanings, suddenly the company was deliberately partnering Sunghoon and Sunoo up to make sure everyone knew they were besties, don't you stop to wonder - are any of their recent reactions genuine, or were they all forced by the company? Like that's what companies fucking do. Plus, the opinion acknowledged that it was better now, Enhypen being besties or not, it was mainly talking about how they need to change how they do survival shows because it creates issues that don't need to be created. They say that they needs to run it more like &audition here everyone had to work together to even debut, and do you see any petty fighting on that's how? None at all. Don't get me wrong here. I'm an ENGENE. And I love the boys. And I think their relationship is fine. But I agree that survival shows like I-LAND need to be stopped, because it can lead to things like body shaming and exclusion and tension within a group (not necessarily talking about Enhypen) and I think the boys need to be educated properly on how what they said about Sunoo was wrong. And I hate the fact that I-LAND probably changed the relationship they could've had without a survival show completely. And I wish I could see that side, because after all the Sunoo shit... I can't help but not see everything the same way it was.
@@skzstarstruck1930 you see that's the main mentality that carried over from I land that I want to get rid of. It's people judging their every move like they're on some reality show still. They've been around for 2 years now, they deserve some amount of trust from their own fans. As for the excuses, I don't think most fans stand up for those comments. Most admit it was unnecessary and insensitive and sunoo did NOT like it. However it was NOT bullying and people being faux worried about sunoo have to back down now that the members are aware and have tried to communicate in their own way that they're mending things. Apart from that, they always remain humble and admit they're always growing from their mistakes. What more do people want? Painting them as stiff, mean and distant around each other has become the norm. Nuance has been lost. As for the company pairings...... I am sorry to say but there are specific pairings that are ALWAYS pushed in a group irrespective of anything. Sunoo and Sunghoon have always been one of them. Doesn't change the fact that Sunghoon genuinely cares about Sunoo, listens to him, acts like a big brother in his own bumbling sweet way, and both have admitted to instances that may seem like mediaplay to you, but when they recite their instances from their private time, of their midnights, I tend to believe them rather then always be skeptical. Their career is one in which they have to bare a lot of their emotions, and no one can fake everything. That's all I can say. I have my own qualms with i-land and the people holding on to it are the ones at fault. Because I repeat, i-land was cliquey. There was high loyalty within certain groups, the ones who played dirty didn't make it into the finals. Sunghoon Jay Heeseung and Jungwon were obviously close. They say Jake and Sunoo and ni-ki were new but that still doesn't explain how sunghoon-jake and sunoo-riki became friends so quickly. They obviously knew each other before to some extent even though Bighit and Belift trainees weren't "allowed" to mingle. They're JUST as close, I'd say more close than many, than other survival groups with the same amount of experience.
One more thing that I hate about I-land is how they debuted with a loyal army of solo stans already. It carries on still within the Fandom. The Fandom is still mostly young and they unknowingly buy into this subfandom divide and get brainwashed by the narratives. The whole sunoo is being bullied thing was started by HIS solo stans. While the whole internet was cussing out engenes for trying to defend the others, the people victimizing sunoo, who didn't even see any of their contents grew. Now it wasn't right of fans to try to sweep this under the rug or bring up other groups into this mess from the get-go (however other groups have had a history of more extensive jokes, 2nd generation was kind of nasty, but only enha get the flak. I'm not going to name names but people will know if they search). It was NOT right to excuse this by using other groups anyhow. It only alienated and angered the casual fans and general crowd more. But now that the image has been formed, it's hard to shake it, it's hard to deny the prevalence of solo stans and any attempt to call out their divisive toxic shit is met with the criticism that fans are trying to excuse their behavior or that fans have never cared about sunoo since i-land or that everyone, including the members and the solo stans have always been jealous of sunoo. It's just very very very damaging to a group as young as theirs and it's disappointing that casual fans and other people continue to buy into this, even though many are much more rational, the seeds of distrust have been sown.
honestly i got into enhypen because of their title tracks at first and i watched a bit of them, only later realized that THEY were the group from i-land LOL obviously didn't watch i-land but i can't rly tell anything tbh
I agree about the iland part of the enhypen opinion, you can tell the contestants tend to choose to eliminate people they weren't so close with, like the same people kept going back between iland and the ground, but i'm glad they seem to be more comfortable with each other now
The reason why japanese comebacks exist is because Japan is a huge market for kpop, japan is the second consumer of kpop in the world (after korea of course) so it’s logic compagnies will invest their time and money in japan comeback. If I can add my opinion, I don’t mind japanese comebacks at all except if the music is bad (which is quite rare imo) or if the idols are overworking (like Twice, these poor girls deserve to rest)
I'm so glad you talked about the OMEGA X situation!! For those pf you Who don't know OMEGA X has been verbaly and physically abused by their CEO #PROTECTOMEGAX
i still don't get why people are saying that enhypen aren't close T_T i mean yeah iland was a hard time for them and it was all about competition but cmon it was two years ago, i've been engene since then and would never ever thought they're just co-workers
Actually even though seventeen and stray kids don't have any Japanese members they make one of the best japansese songs in kpop industry (at least to me they do) and i'm not talking about Japanese versions (cuz this shit should be banned) but actual songs writen in Japanese
For opinion 2 I can see why someone would like the rock version better if they’re not into slow or super happy songs, but personally I think they both have such a different vibe that it’s hard to compare even tho they’re the same song
I know it's super hard to edit an almost 14m videos with a phone and not a computer! So thank you for taking the time to do it!! I really enjoy your videos so much. Even tho sometimes we don't share the same opinions lol
for the first opinion, i personally think japanese releases are beneficial because kpop has many fan bases that aren’t korean, including japanese. with these they can reach to a wider audience and let more people enjoy their music all while expanding their knowledge of a different language (maybe even culture too), although i do agree that the frequency of these releases should be reduced a bit. but this is just what i think :)
I thought japanese original release is very minimal in numbers. They do have japanese versions but for original japanese songs the amount is not that much?
bcs of the enhypen/iland one: lets be honest, ni-ki is the main person that has body shamed sunoo, but after debut they were inseperable (they even slept toegther every night) ... i just think that the reason was ni-ki growing up and not being educated abt such things. the influence of his parents wasnt there at all
I stan a lot of groups and Enhypen and like Enhypen is a really close group like they are so close when they are together and it's not awkward I just don't understand how people can say the opposite >.
Because Enhypen members still have respect for each others boundaries 😂 groups who trained together for years and debuted together are more playful, have more skinship and chaotic with each other. And that's okay, Enhypen is close given that they've only known each other for 2 years but have deep respect for each other. Their relationship will only continue to grow through the years
Because those ppl who are 'attacking' their relationship actually falls into two categories, one they are not engene, so they don't watch en- contents, two, toxic solo stans.
opinion 4 YEPPPP! this is why survival shows shouldn’t be created bc how are you going to go from being enemies to being close stable members in a couple of months😭? especially when they were all voting sunoo out every week.. it’s weird
I'm a sunoo stan and tbh it wasn't weird that they keep voting him off. He has a very short training time compared to most and there are more talented trainees in terms of dancing than Sunoo. I think they judged him as a visual idol only so they were hard on him. Just like how knetz would judge visuals as having no talent because they're more focused on his look. But as they progress they did see his qualities.
They were not enemies. They were competitors. It's a huge difference If i heard the video creator right, they didn't even watch iland themselves, only heards from their friend and i 100% disagree with their opinion
Can you guys give it a rest with Iland? I mean, the show was 2 years ago, I’m pretty sure that if the boys had issues with each other during that time they had the time to solve them by now. They said about a hundred times that they want to move on from it and Sunoo even said in a recent interview that they were very young during that time and evolved a lot as individuals and as a group. I feel like they are one of the most misunderstood groups and even they are aware of it now. It’s like the Kpop fans decided they were gonna be their token group when talking about groups that aren’t close to elevate their own fav in a way and that’s weird.
i don’t think the reason why people are talking abt enhypen’s relationship is to elevate their own group at all, issues have been occurring recently (the sunoo bodyshaming situation) which is probably why everyone keeps talking abt iland and questioning their relationship
@@yoshified_ It’s kind of amazing how they are criticized for this to the point of people questioning if they like each other but stans ignore the other groups who made the same comments sometimes even worse.
As a For X (Omega X Fandom i think) I am highly disturbed and disappointed with the situation they are still a rookie group and they are treated like poor. They're not professional but also not clueless. After this situation we need to support to the max our boys. Im happy they’re not disbanding wet I hope not. They’re fighters, Warriors, Brave and talented. We love them and we will support them however. ❤️❤️❤️ I hope this will never happen again! Thx Yoshified to mention it bc i had no clue. Love your contents. Never give up 👌❤️👍
abt opinion 4: ofc at first it was kinda weird, iland was (one of) the worst survival shows tbh, but rn they're so close and they're always together I genuinely don't get why anyone would say they're not close... like do you even watch en o'clocks and everything? bc i don't understand lmao
Didn't the creator said they didn't watch the iland but decided to form an opinion based on what their friend said? I disagree with their opinion Also, imo no kpop idols have obligation to be best friends 😅
How do you identify if a kpop group is close or not? This seems to be something that is a subjective perception. As far as I've seen superficially Enhypen members seem so and I must admit I use to believe this too (tho keep in mind I knew nothing of the group other than the few clips I saw of them nor were there the vast amount of content there is now of them). But after learning more of the members individually AND as a collective through both content and posts I realized this was not true. There are numerous of instances where they showcase this closeness but people don't seem to take it into account almost as if it is normal things people who are "not close" do.
Kpop idols shouldn't even feel obligated to be best friends. They were strangers who became co workers. Is it a rule in companies that one should become best friends because they work together?
There is at least one Jongho solo work out there. The OST for Young Actor’s Retreat. However the song was not written or produced at KQ. I do think he could be an amazing soloist. However Jongho is central to Ateez’s sound and a key part of the group. Members were recently asked a question about what is a key characteristic of Ateez and they all said Jongho.
7:42 well tbh it doesnt really matter how small the number of contestants in a kpop survival show is some people are not gonna be shown at all 100%. I land for example had like 23 boys yet only like the same 9 popular trainees were having more screentime than everyone
- Oof i love japanese comebacks, especially stray kids, itzy (even though they only have 4 japanese songs) and twice. Idt they should stop - An opinion i submitted but didn't make it to this video was that i like nct's repackage titles better than the title of the original album, like hello future over hot sauce, favorite over sticker (even though i like sticker but favorite is just so good), beatbox over glitch mode (again i still like glitch mode, just that beatbox is 1 of 2 of my favorite nct dream titles, the other being hello future) - Man the omega x situation is so sad, no one deserves to have to go through that, but expanding on the any publicity is good publicity, i feel like the staff member did that so the group would get more attention, because would we know omega x if it weren't for this situation?
I've been so busy that I haven't been able to be active on Twitter at all but I will most definitely look at that thread, I've always loved Omega X so I pray that everything gets better 🥺🥺💗💗
I think japanese comebacks are not a problem at all, I think it is always a benefit for the group to try to get fans from other countrys and it is not like we cannot hear japanese music too, right? And it is not like it is hard to learn the lyrics and basics of a language, a lot of idols know Japanese anyways. And, as an example, Itzy had their english comeback& japanese comeback lately, and the music is really good! At the same time, they gave us Checkmate a while ago so I think they and we only benefit from this!
Yeah, can't agree with the Japanese comeback opinion. My favorite Stray Kids song is the Japanese version of Double Knot. Idk something about it hits different. And also Circus is am absolute banger in both Japanese and Korean. ....also multiple members know Japanese. Idk how fluent they are, but at least 3racha all speak it so some extent. I know they're not natives, but it's not like they're writing songs in a language they don't know and obvs JYPE has people fluent in Japanese who help them.
It's not engenes saying those things about Enhypen though, it's always people who watched like 4 clips on twitter who has the most to say about their friendship... The thing is, majority of Enhypen did know each other before i-land and were good friends. Yeah so what that they were a bit awkward in the beginning, they are teenage boys who just went from living a normal life to constantly having eyes on them and living together with 6 other boys, wouldn't you feel a bit out of place as well? I'm not going to mention a name because I don't want the fandom to get mad, but the other group I stan were also pretty awkward their first years and now they are known for being one of the closest groups. People tend to forget that Enhypen aren't even a 2 year old group yet, but people are treating them as if they are a 7 year old group... As someone who has been into kpop for some time now, I've never seen a group that is so misunderstood as Enha, people are speaking as if they know the members when in fact most of you haven't seen a single enhypen content outside of edited clips on tiktok or twitter. (Oh, and by "you" I'm not meaning the creator of this video, I'm just saying it to everyone who feels like the shoe fits)
Just because they don't cling to each other every time they are on camera doesn't mean they are not close. Everyone has different way of expressing their love and care. And it's clear that their love language is not physical touch but these pea brains just don't understand that and still bring up a survival show which happened 2 years ago
I totally agree with you on the clips thing. Those edited biased clips bothers me lately that i saw one or two on youtube, because I don't use twitter. I can go on a full blown essay about them 😅 and i think i did comments a lot. I'm never one to defend any members as I'm not a stan. I don't like to use stan as it has connotation of being very biased. I like to be objective to my fave groups. I felt lonely in my 'fight' until i saw some comments like yours here. Also i think no idols should be obligated to be friends at all though.
My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, but BTS and Stray Kids are definitely very close as well!
rock with you same to hot or cheers..? And really good answer for Jongho, every member as a place in ateez, and that why ateez is ateez, if jongho was not here, ateez would not be the same anymore, because he really as a big place in it Jongho do covers on his solo show, and he is really good as always, he has ost too which are so good, I advice you all to check for yourself ^^
i honestly REALLY tired of this narrative "enhypen aren't close and have tension in a group" almost all of them knew each other several years before iland (minus sunoo, ni-ki and jake), were friends, they voluntarily decided to forget ranks and missions of iland as soon as they steped out of that egg they constantly together, calling each other when sick, talking about each other, being each other hype men, if anything iland made them have fear of separation. iland was toxic, was hard and they got past it and slowly build the strongest bond i've seen they simply would NOT perform so flawlessly if they were not close, cause it demands insane amout of trust and actually knowing each other to do so and it always those who have know NOTHING about them, or their relationships, like please
sunoo didn't cried in concerts (with half of the members with him) saying how he loves his members, engenes and how he is happy to debut with them for yall to say this nonsence
Yeah with the idols re debuting in survival shows I’d also want to talk about nu’est and wanna one. I’m so happy that they managed to expose pledis for the way they screwed them over. And similar to victon nu’est W got their first win 7years after debut when pledis decided to capitalise off their publicity. I can see how it would be unfair as these idols have experience but I’m glad it’s like a second chance for them. I miss nu’est so much 😢
the first one is very interesting to me. i feel like they wouldn’t care if japanese comebacks got eliminated but would care if eng vers and songs stopped, but that’s just an assumption. i think japanese comebacks are important because japan is one of the countries every group tours in and they all try to market to japan. especially seventeen because jeonghan has a cult following in japan.
Kpop agencies will care, japan is the second largest music market. Hardly any kpop idols flop there. Even groups who aren't popular in korea thrived in japan with loyal fans. Example, boyfriend, jyj or who is that jaejoong? Sorry I don't remember his name
my opinion was the one about skz! i personally am not a fan of bts (anymore) but i do know that they are definitely up there (probably the best) with their rap line. stray kids are extremely all-rounded, i cant believe i forgot to add about their vocals and i’m hating myself for that😔 but they just excel and stick out (in a good way) in everything and i can’t take my eyes off of them. and about the ggs releasing bangers they really are- i used to be a bg stan, just solely listened to bgs until randomly i started listening to twice, then itzy, ive (this was around when ive debuted) and i’ve been in love with girl groups ever since. i barely listen to bgs atp other than stray kids and ateez, and other songs here and there.
My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, but BTS and Stray Kids are definitely very close as well, they're amazing!
I’m just gonna put it out there but there was a tweet I saw recently that said everyone that says Enhypen aren’t close say that because they aren’t queer-baiting. Now I personally don’t agree with that last part and bringing up queer-baiting so please don’t attack me for that part of the statement, but I understand what the OP was saying. Basically you don’t see Enhypen constantly cuddling each other or being all up in each other’s space like most idols do with each other. People have gotten used to seeing idol groups act super affectionate with each other (kissing, cuddling, hugging, sitting on each other’s laps) and that has conditioned most people to think that if idols don’t do that with each other then they aren’t close. I’m not saying Enhypen doesn’t have their fair share of affectionate moments but I feel their “love language” or way to show respect to each other is by words. There have been many many times the members have thanked each other and verbally spoken about how they appreciate each other for always supporting one another and how that makes them feel comfortable and close with each other. Many times, certain members of Enhypen have spoken about how they like to have their personal space and so I think they have all sort of built this sort of respect for their preferences by letting each other have their space and only being affectionate when another member initiates or they feel like it. Like I said before this isn’t always the case because Jay and Jungwon seem to have a very affectionate bond and other members do seem really fond of each other in a healthy but respective way. I’d also like to add that after I-land all members announced in front of a camera that their rankings in I-land would not be talked about and that there would be no hurt feelings. There is a bunch of misunderstandings when it comes to Enhypen but I believe the biggest one is being that they’re not close somehow just because they don’t show it 24/7. Sorry if some parts of this don’t make sense 😭 it’s been a while since I wrote a comment this long and I don’t usually talk about matters like this publicly
I only follow 2 bg, one of them is en-. Every group has different way of showing their relationship. I agree with en- being misunderstood, but it's only because of some solo stans creating misrepresented image via biased edited clips. Non fans and some fans who saw bought the narrative video creator intended to show without fact checking themselves. At the end of the day, no idols are obligated to be besties, they were stranger who became co workers.
I feel like sometimes putting already debuted idols in survival shows like may and bora from cherry bullet who both went on gp999 isn’t bad but what I don’t understand with the gp999 fans, or Wtv you wanna call em idk, was honestly the oddest thing I have ever seen(coming from a lullet before gp999 had even been released or anything) because everyone wanted may to be in the final line up and a huge amount off viewers were dissatisfied when she didn’t debut. Personally I wasnt all too sad she didn’t debut with kep1er bc I thought that would bring a good portion of gp999 watchers to Stan and support cherry bullet and the other members along with may and bora, but no. Everyone forgot ab may within a week and cherry bullet is still the exact same as they were before may and bora went on gp999. It honestly boggles my mind thinking ab it.
Groups having no specific position doesn't mean they're all rounder . I feel like company actually debut group with no specific position so that they can freely try new things outside of their position , which having fixed position group can't do most of the time . Like if a idol have a specific position in a group for example "if a idol is main vocalist or main rapper but have some rapping part or singing part outside of their position than it becomes unfair for those members who originally hold that singing or rapping position. Also it can lead to unfair line distribution. So most members have to stick with their specific position even though they want to try something new. (Well there can be some expection ) but group with no specific position can freely try singing or rapping because they doesn't have any fixed position in group . So yeah I think group having no position doesn't mean they're all rounder. Because one idol can't be good at everything. I just realized I didn't explain about why I'm saying this opinion. Well there's some fans who actually think that a group having no specific Position means all the members are main vocalist, rapper and dancer which is simply dumb . Also if someone say that "one specific member who's vocal/rap is good such a main vocalist/rapper things" than some fans just get mad saying this group doesn't have any position all members are main vocalist/rapper/dancer . Which is annoyingly stupid . Because not all idols can be all-rounder .
For opinion 5 I am mainly a bg stan so it wouldn't look off in bg shelf, but it would in my gg shelf. In my opinion starship just recycled materials from monstax and cravity albums and just made the ive album it really doesn't fit the concept but oh well.
i kinda agree with the first one. i still like their Japanese comebacks, but there’s not really a reason to, and they could just make Japanese versions of their songs. this goes specifically towards twice.
B0DYSH@MING- Can we please move on from that. I only loved BTOB and only looked into ENHYPEN after that controversy, I wanted to know how they are like. And what I saw was that Sunoo and NI-KI are the closest (members confirmed this) that they tease and fight a lot but also get back together immediately. Ni-Ki is still a child who isn't in his own country and he doesn't have his family with him in SoKor so he is still childish in his teasing. Him mentioning Sunoo's weight to tease him was wrong, but it's a misguided joke NOT an intentional bvllying attempt that everyone paints it out to be. I think he might have thought it's fine since Sunoo is thin, he isn't fat so he might have thought it's not body shaming. When Sunoo declined to eat, Niki acted upset with him for not eating and kept telling him to eat till Sunoo relented, is that a behavior someone who really intended to bodyshame a person. After the scandal, Sunoo still initiates playing, looking after and interacting with Ni-Ki. If Sunoo was really bullied he would have avoided Niki so people should stop saying Niki is a bvlly. Also Jay and Sunghoon was even named bvllies by haters, whereas Sunoo kept telling everyone who would listen that he loves Jay since he takes care of him a lot and Sunghoon watches out him a lot. Sunghoon immediately can see if Sunoo is not well or upset and knows how to redirect his attention. People who keep bringing up bvllying accusations when the boys clearly have moved on from that scandal are the ones that are actual bvllies. JUST WATCH THEIR ACTUAL CONTENT EVEN THE LATEST ENOCLOCK so you can see their relationship.
Tbf there's many groups that were picked by their companies that are amazing, both music and group chemistry wise, but I agree that it was a great idea to let Chan pick the members himself and it definitely paid off!
No, they don't have to learn japanese, they only need to learn how to sing the songs in japanese. Although i think some big agencies do have japanese class because japan is the world's second largest music market Usually in a group that doesn't have japanese member, somone who is the best in japanese will be the spokepersoj for the group when they promote in japan
no cuz the reason kep1er's new album is such a fail is because the company gives them too many comebacks. I guess they value quantity more than quality which is just extremely sad considering that kep1er is a temporary group and here they are wasting their time on such a bad comeback😔
Blackpink lost their hype. It’s fascinating to me bc I thought they never would. People (their fans not locals from what I see) talk about them when they’re about to release something, and once their music is released after a long hiatus the talk is shut down so quickly 😂 Idk I’m not hearing as much talk about them or their tour.
@@yoshified_ I’m a common listener. I follow multiple western media and Kpop accounts. I love Blackpink, but I actually have to look them up in order to see what’s the latest on them. Edit: I’m not hearing much talk… at least not the amount of talk around their Coachella era.
My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, Stray Kids are definitely very close as well, they're amazing!
@@hearts4leebit Agreed! I'd absolutely love if they would do a collab some time, they'd kill it (and us lmao) for sure! There's many great rappers in Kpop, but no one does it like Monsta X and Stray Kids imo, they're unmatched!
@@hearts4leebit The world wouldn't be ready for such greatness and neither would we lmaoo, the closest thing to a collab we've gotten so far was that special rap stage with Monsta X, Stray Kids and NCT, but they only performed one after another sadly, but who knows maybe one day we'll get to see them collab for real!
I would like to comment on the 10th point about the frequency of comebacks. I don't really agree with you because I feel like when groups release too much music, we loose interest in their comebacks. I can feel that with Stray Kids and I know that many people feel the same. Like they are obviously popular within Stays, but for the general public their comebacks aren't impactful anymore. Moreover, it's not because they don't release music every 3 months that they don't work. They are OVERLY worked. Take the example of TXT, who releases music every 9 months more or less, they are still producing so many video content on their youtube chanel, interviews, fashion brands collaboration, concerts, etc. and on top of that they need to practice, exercise, etc. and still can see their families only once a year because of their schedule. As a MOA, I would be very concerned about them coming back more than twice a year.
skz is definitely overworked and ofc that isn’t okay bc they should relax a little bit, but i don’t think them having a lot of comebacks is making people loose interest in them, if anything, every time they have a comeback, they get more popular, if the general public wasn’t still looking out for them, i don’t think breaking records would even be possible, stays were once apart of the general public, let’s take maniac for example, that song brought in a lot of new stays, and that’s why they broke their record when case 143 came out, bc people are buying their albums and streaming their music, they get more popular everyday
Two comebacks is acceptable for me because usually idols are also busy with other engagements. Concerts, youtube, japan shooting etc. But once a year comeback, if it's my fave group I'd whine hahah but of course there's nothing i can do
Japan has one of the biggest music markets in the world. They put out cbs because it's to their benefit to try and get into that market. Just because international fans don't appreciate them, doesn't mean they don't serve their purpose. I have been liking 17s latest music much better than their older songs. Fallen Flower was the only song if theirs I would listen to and it's not even a Korean release. But I've been enjoying from Left and Right era. I am not an Engene but I did watch Iland. I also do think they have tensions still. I don't like Changbins flow but by default of lact of good rappers they take the 2nd place with maybe Monsta X taking the 3rd. I don't stan these groups but that Ateez kid literally defines their music. They pretty much build their songs around him so this doesn't make sense.
😅if you are not an engene and didn't watch the iland then...yeah, then it's your opinion that they have tension. No kpop idols should feel obligated to be best friends with their co workers I personally 100% disagree with the video creator opinion on enhypen, they said they didn't even watch the iland, and i am not being subjective even though i like enhypen
@@bluey3538 yeah I had some typos so thanks for pointing that out. It should say "I did watch ILand". I was voting for K, Taki and Nicholas which is why I'm getting into &TEAM right now. I should have fixed all my typos and I still do think they have tensions still but I wasn't talking about competitive tensions like some people seem to think. I was more referring to the tensions that come with adjusting to each other without the long training period most groups have and that I didn't explain in my 1st comment.
@@Nicholi86 wow you voted for those three and now they debuted? You must be excited. I watched &audition too and my favorite was hikaru and gaku. They didn't debut but somehow I'm glad 😅 What do you think of their debut song?
@@bluey3538 oh my gosh I'm so excited! I also liked Gaku and Hikaru but I wanted Hayate to get in as well. I do hope Hybe holds on to these 3 as well and debuts them in another group. The only member I didn't connect well with in the debut team is Jo but he's such a cutie, hes already growing on me. I loved the debut EP and especially Under My Skin. Like K's little vocal runs give me goosebumps and Maki is turning into that vocal powerhouse I thought he would be. Yuma as well. I just wish there was more of Fuma and EJ but it's a 9 member group. Some members always get the short end. I hope they work on that and balancing screen time as well.
@@Nicholi86 if gaku, hayate (how can i forget about him!!), Hikaru (although he is still very lacking) debut I'll certainly check them out. But I won't expect too much. I've moved on 😅 Really? Like less lines for fuma and ej? Maybe next song I don't follow &team, because their debut song isn't my type
I think doing Japanese comeback help more Japanese peoples loving the group in this case. Yes they should take breaks but It depends if they want to or the group is pressured by the company/entertainment. I really don’t know at this point. 🤔 BTS will remain be the best group of all time but as a Stay (Fandom of SKZ) will be huge i just know. I support all the groups but i am not a fan of all groups. Some are good and others are trying their hardest and respect that. I hope the other groups get the success they want. And SKZ vocals are really amazing trust me. They’re just recognized for there rap line and making music but the vocals are angelic. Sorry for the longs comments i made i had a lot to write. English is not my speciality. So maybe there will be grammar errors.
@@purpleantidote6120 it is only that way because they are conscious about how the kpop community views them. They are aware of what happened and they do their darndest to send out a message they're close without being overbearing. What about that is "off"? Or do you want them to be perfect plastic dolls without any hint of stress or feelings?
abt the omega x situation
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Are u a tomoon??
That is oneus fandom..
nah
please make sure to sign the petition under the thread, it is to get omega x's abusive ceo and staff under investigation. please, the boys dont deserve this (i stanned most of their old groups before they joined ox and i even met xen, jehyun and hangyeom. they are the most precious people ever)
changbin + han are SUCH a powerful
rap duo, i just love + appreciate them
so much ugh
Agreed! My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, but Stray Kids are definitely very close as well, they're amazing!
skz is such a talented group and all the members outside 3racha have been writing lyrics and participating in composing songs. not to mention how they also release skz-records and skz-players that shows each member's colour.. they're just amazing
oof but as a japanese speaker i love the japanese comebacks because i can actually understand, also i love hearing how members sound in japanese 🥰
I understand!!
thank you for speaking out about the Omega X situation 🫶
I can tell you for a fact Jongho is integral to Ateez’s sound. When I went to their concert Jongho hurt his foot halfway through and had to sit out the rest of it. Hearing many of their songs like Inception and Turbulence without him was weird and definitely felt like something was missing.
thanks for talking about omega x
even though I’m not a forx, it’s still sad to see this happening, *in public* at that; it also makes me wonder what other situations are happening behind the scenes
Seventeen have been getting better and better.I would honestly say that they had songs that didn't work for me,but now I love all of their release.
But hey you can't deny their title tracks are always serve bc all the title tracks they have put out there are just hit after hit. Maybe not in western kpop community but definitely in asian kpop community. Aju nice, pretty u, mansae, fear, hit, adore u and so much more. They are every with these songs in variety shows, in vlog, k-yt shows and channels. They have a pretty solid discography. Bro I always say this but we need seventeen to stay forever. They are like the golden group in kpop. They bring something to the table. The energy, performance, music, variety shows, vocals, fun and natural charisma makes them such precious group in kpop I'm not even a carat just a casual listener but their music 10/10. 👍
@@hanblue1225 thank you for saying that about them! 🥺🤍
Jongho is the glue that ties ATEEZ sound together. I actually thought about is Jongho really needed in ATEEZ, and his power vocals fits the sound ATEEZ is intentionally making. I agree that Victon wouldn't change as much but Hanse's effect on songs makes a good song great.
I also feel like with the Enhypen situation, this is something common with forging groups through survival show. I bring up treasure a lot but I genuinely think that what YG did with treasure, having a mini series before debut that fostered team bonding to bring them together more as a group, was very smart and should be mandatory for companies that debut groups through survival shows because realistically if you have them compete and then launch them into a group they’re obviously gonna feel some tension.
As an Engene there is no tension but there is awkwardness. They agreed to move on from ILand the night they won. They are all in good terms but they aren't as close or there is still awkwardness because they werent allowed to speak to each other when they were trainees. They only started knowing about each other in ILand so unlike other groups who trained together for years and debuted together, they aren't as close as of yet. But they're building their relationship. No matter what haters say, Sunoo said himself they've never fought and he never tell lies
@@hanniefrei I feel like there is tension, but only because after the Sunoo situation escalated you can't help but over-analysing every interaction e.g. Did they force Sunghoon to partner up with Sunoo to smooth over the situation subtly? Was eh attempting to insult someone with that? Why does this member look so uncomfortable? It seems extreme, but after such a thing you do lose confidence in a group and the relationship you thought they had. We're all just genuinely concerned for Sunoo and we want all the members to be having a great time as idols and support and lean on each other like family so we tend to notice the small things that could be a red flag.
I seriously don't see any negative things this video creator said exist in iland. Scratched my head really hard here.
They said they DIDN'T even watch it but publicly stating a poorly informed opinion based solely what their friend said? Or did i misunderstand them , that they actually watched it? If not, their opinion is just ridiculous, just jumping on a negative weagon without seeing it themselves.
And don't get me started on bodyshaming sunoo thing when it's literally only being brought up by international solo stans.
Do i hear any korean engene complaining about it? A lot of the accusations also based on mistranslation and zero knowledge of korean pun or language, as i saw an example in one weverse live.
On the other hand i just realised that my favorite groups all came from survival shows 🤣....i must be the only 1 who don't mind watching survival shows and never cried or being emotional or attached to it. They gave me a sort of a pre debut platform to get to know contestants or debuted members.
i didn’t state my own opinion based solely on what my friend said, i just said if that was the case, there being tension on iland, then that’s probably why engenes feel the way they do, that’s probably why ppl think enhypen aren’t close. i didn’t watch iland, like i said, so i don’t know, like i also said. you definitely misunderstood. i don’t have an opinion on their friendship, i could honestly care less. i was just saying that i didn’t notice any tension between the members when i used to be a fan. that was my response to the opinion.
talking about rock versions ~
Oneus' rock version of Valkyrie is PERFECTION !!
I didn't know they was a rock version. The original song is a bop.
Yes!! The guitar solo goes so hard
i believe that jongho's vocals fit ateez's sound so wonderfully! he gives the group a distinct musical colour. but when it comes to performance, i can only imagine him shining as a soloist. so in that sense i can see what op was trying (?) to say.
Seventeens music just keeps getting better. I remember when ready to love came out and I would just keep putting it on repeat cause it was so good 😂
I love ready to love smmm
same! ready to love was one of the reasons why i stanned them
I just checked some of their songs, I still have to continue listening to a video ranking them because it gives me a few seconds of introduction of about a hundred of songs 😅.
I know only a few before
One thing i noticed, this is my personal opinion from their songs that i like, their pre chorus and choruses are good
Idk the more I watch enhypen the more I feel they are are sincere about their bond with each other. Those boys are growing, they are sincere but are also shy with being totally vulnerable. Its a delicate thing. But as far as I can tell, they are doing their best to showcase how much they mean to each other in as honest way as they can.
The kpop community just runs with an opinion without watching any content and it pisses me off tbh.
And its been 2 years since i-land, they've grown together since then. They agree themselves it was mentally hard and have agreed to put it behind them. Also they did vouch for each other through i-land in their own ways as well. I would argue that the people who played the cleanest and made efforts to bond actually ended up in enhypen. Also also, many of them were trainees together before that. Jake, ni-ki and sunoo got to know the others a short while before i-land. It was very cliquey though, not going to lie. But by the 2nd phase, it was mostly all out the window.
iland was 2 years ago can we move on now.. like enhypen is close now and if you watch any concert clip or content they uploaded for the past months they show how thankful they are to each other and they are determined to make music together and put so much effort to show the best performances to engenes. you all just keep bringing back iland when the first thing that enhypen said in the first episode of enha&hi is to forget about the rankings and all the competition because they are a group now and it will always them 7.
im just so fucking tired of people mostly non-engenes pulling out fake narratives like having tension within the group and seeing each other as competition and them just being co-workers likeee you don't get to speak on enhypen
THISSS
I think the opinion was saying that the tensions in the past could be an underlying reason for issues today (e.g. Sunoo situation). Enhypen is defiantly close, and the opinion said that it was better now, but like yoshified then responded it makes sense that they aren't besties yet. They need more time as a group and hopefully everything will get better. I-LAND wasn't really thought about either, until the Sunoo situation tho - that's when we lost faith in the groups relationship and began to question their interactions.
Exactly, and i heard this video right, they said they didn't even watch it? Like, huh? I watched it when it was on in 2020 and on youtube, i never see anything they said exist in iland
@@skzstarstruck1930 eh...no, I don't believe iland is the underlying issue for 'sunoo situation'
OPINION 4: it's ENHYPEN FANS Not the BOYS that are stuck on ILAND. Each members fandom is so competitive with the other members. they're treating it like the boys are still competing against each other when they don't. The first thing ENHYPEN agreed on immediately after they won ILand is to forget the competition and voting on ILand and start as clean slate as a team, the fans should do the same. THE BOYS are close, if you listen to their lives they all are very caring of each other. when Heeseung is asleep, the rest stop making noise, Jay cooks and buys them food, Jake comforts the just being the person he is, Sunghoon makes them laugh, the maknaes bring them energy and brightness. Now you can't expect them to be as close as SVT, NCT, etc because though they trained together before ILand they were not allowed to speak to each other. They only grew close since ILand So theyre still learning a d adjusting to each other but Sunoo always said they never fought, and he never lies.
And I didn't think that their relationship was tense until the Sunoo situation. That's when you cantle help but question the relationship and their interactions and wonder what might've led to it. The opinion is definitely right that I-LAND was a shit survival show and caused tension between all the competitors, but you are also right that it is better now (I actually think the opinion said this too). It's just that the Sunoo situation made ENGENE's doubt stuff and go back to I-LAND for an explanation. I-LAND is also a good reason why ENHYPEN aren't besties yet, they need more time as a group to get closer and to let go of past conflict created in I-LAND.
@@skzstarstruck1930 I still think you need to let go of this narrative that they aren't besties yet because I've heard them mention it time and again about how much they mean to each other, how their daily interactions is the light of their life (paraphrasing) and the little things they find adorable about each other, how much they miss each other and such.
They're not going to repeatedly mention how much they love each other or how they are a family because it's not their nature. They don't even visibly cringe, they really are genuine but shy. Which means that the times they do, it's more meaningful.
I'm not saying there aren't communication breakdowns because it really seems there are. I can even go as far as to say tgere have been instances where the members have felt tense or annoyed over the situation, that's true. But isn't that justified and normal? The way they do express their adoration though is through little things.. things that make me think their bond is more genuine than 80% of the groups out there. Saying serious stuff low-key so that it doesn't embarrass them, but the other members do pick up on the sentiment. That's the way they communicate.
I think their relationship is delicate and beautiful but that's on me for being a lil bit too emotional over them lol. Which explains me writing paragraphs over them unprompted 🙂
@@april_showers14 It's not some narrative I'm holding that they aren't besties or never will be. I'm not denying how much they love each other or the things they do for each other. I'm simply trying to acknowledge that yes I-LAND was traumatising, yes I-LAND was toxic and as much as everyone says let it go, let it go, I-LAND is literally the reason they get so many scandals. As I was trying to say in my previous response - the Sunoo fatshaming situation is partially caused by I-LAND because I-LAND was shit.
And once everyone realised 'oh fuck, Sunoo's getting body shamed' did you expect us to all just go 'it's ok, they love each other it doesn't matter?' This had such a widespread effect on fans and made many people question the relationships they thought Enhypen had. Suddenly moments that seemed like friendly jokes had deeper meanings, suddenly the company was deliberately partnering Sunghoon and Sunoo up to make sure everyone knew they were besties, don't you stop to wonder - are any of their recent reactions genuine, or were they all forced by the company? Like that's what companies fucking do. Plus, the opinion acknowledged that it was better now, Enhypen being besties or not, it was mainly talking about how they need to change how they do survival shows because it creates issues that don't need to be created. They say that they needs to run it more like &audition here everyone had to work together to even debut, and do you see any petty fighting on that's how? None at all. Don't get me wrong here. I'm an ENGENE. And I love the boys. And I think their relationship is fine. But I agree that survival shows like I-LAND need to be stopped, because it can lead to things like body shaming and exclusion and tension within a group (not necessarily talking about Enhypen) and I think the boys need to be educated properly on how what they said about Sunoo was wrong. And I hate the fact that I-LAND probably changed the relationship they could've had without a survival show completely. And I wish I could see that side, because after all the Sunoo shit... I can't help but not see everything the same way it was.
@@skzstarstruck1930 you see that's the main mentality that carried over from I land that I want to get rid of. It's people judging their every move like they're on some reality show still. They've been around for 2 years now, they deserve some amount of trust from their own fans.
As for the excuses, I don't think most fans stand up for those comments. Most admit it was unnecessary and insensitive and sunoo did NOT like it. However it was NOT bullying and people being faux worried about sunoo have to back down now that the members are aware and have tried to communicate in their own way that they're mending things.
Apart from that, they always remain humble and admit they're always growing from their mistakes. What more do people want? Painting them as stiff, mean and distant around each other has become the norm. Nuance has been lost.
As for the company pairings...... I am sorry to say but there are specific pairings that are ALWAYS pushed in a group irrespective of anything. Sunoo and Sunghoon have always been one of them. Doesn't change the fact that Sunghoon genuinely cares about Sunoo, listens to him, acts like a big brother in his own bumbling sweet way, and both have admitted to instances that may seem like mediaplay to you, but when they recite their instances from their private time, of their midnights, I tend to believe them rather then always be skeptical. Their career is one in which they have to bare a lot of their emotions, and no one can fake everything.
That's all I can say. I have my own qualms with i-land and the people holding on to it are the ones at fault. Because I repeat, i-land was cliquey. There was high loyalty within certain groups, the ones who played dirty didn't make it into the finals. Sunghoon Jay Heeseung and Jungwon were obviously close. They say Jake and Sunoo and ni-ki were new but that still doesn't explain how sunghoon-jake and sunoo-riki became friends so quickly. They obviously knew each other before to some extent even though Bighit and Belift trainees weren't "allowed" to mingle. They're JUST as close, I'd say more close than many, than other survival groups with the same amount of experience.
One more thing that I hate about I-land is how they debuted with a loyal army of solo stans already. It carries on still within the Fandom. The Fandom is still mostly young and they unknowingly buy into this subfandom divide and get brainwashed by the narratives. The whole sunoo is being bullied thing was started by HIS solo stans. While the whole internet was cussing out engenes for trying to defend the others, the people victimizing sunoo, who didn't even see any of their contents grew.
Now it wasn't right of fans to try to sweep this under the rug or bring up other groups into this mess from the get-go (however other groups have had a history of more extensive jokes, 2nd generation was kind of nasty, but only enha get the flak. I'm not going to name names but people will know if they search). It was NOT right to excuse this by using other groups anyhow. It only alienated and angered the casual fans and general crowd more.
But now that the image has been formed, it's hard to shake it, it's hard to deny the prevalence of solo stans and any attempt to call out their divisive toxic shit is met with the criticism that fans are trying to excuse their behavior or that fans have never cared about sunoo since i-land or that everyone, including the members and the solo stans have always been jealous of sunoo.
It's just very very very damaging to a group as young as theirs and it's disappointing that casual fans and other people continue to buy into this, even though many are much more rational, the seeds of distrust have been sown.
honestly i got into enhypen because of their title tracks at first and i watched a bit of them, only later realized that THEY were the group from i-land LOL obviously didn't watch i-land but i can't rly tell anything tbh
I agree about the iland part of the enhypen opinion, you can tell the contestants tend to choose to eliminate people they weren't so close with, like the same people kept going back between iland and the ground, but i'm glad they seem to be more comfortable with each other now
The reason why japanese comebacks exist is because Japan is a huge market for kpop, japan is the second consumer of kpop in the world (after korea of course) so it’s logic compagnies will invest their time and money in japan comeback. If I can add my opinion, I don’t mind japanese comebacks at all except if the music is bad (which is quite rare imo) or if the idols are overworking (like Twice, these poor girls deserve to rest)
I'm so glad you talked about the OMEGA X situation!! For those pf you Who don't know OMEGA X has been verbaly and physically abused by their CEO
#PROTECTOMEGAX
Please they don't deserve any of that, no one does. I hope that they all get justice and protection 💗
Hanse’s voice is just so unique, and I always eagerly await his raps in Victon’s songs BECAUSE he sounds so different.
i still don't get why people are saying that enhypen aren't close T_T i mean yeah iland was a hard time for them and it was all about competition but cmon it was two years ago, i've been engene since then and would never ever thought they're just co-workers
Actually even though seventeen and stray kids don't have any Japanese members they make one of the best japansese songs in kpop industry (at least to me they do) and i'm not talking about Japanese versions (cuz this shit should be banned) but actual songs writen in Japanese
Can you recommend original japanese songs by them?
@@iluvcherri thank you
@@bluey3538 as for skz (3 months late), i rly like circus and all in! however, if you like a more chill vibe there (a new song) is good too!
For opinion 2 I can see why someone would like the rock version better if they’re not into slow or super happy songs, but personally I think they both have such a different vibe that it’s hard to compare even tho they’re the same song
opinion 7 is so true 😭😭 i think the fitting number wld be around 20 - 40 at most, just like iland
thank you sm for bringing up the omega x situation
I know it's super hard to edit an almost 14m videos with a phone and not a computer! So thank you for taking the time to do it!! I really enjoy your videos so much. Even tho sometimes we don't share the same opinions lol
for the first opinion, i personally think japanese releases are beneficial because kpop has many fan bases that aren’t korean, including japanese. with these they can reach to a wider audience and let more people enjoy their music all while expanding their knowledge of a different language (maybe even culture too), although i do agree that the frequency of these releases should be reduced a bit. but this is just what i think :)
I thought japanese original release is very minimal in numbers. They do have japanese versions but for original japanese songs the amount is not that much?
bcs of the enhypen/iland one: lets be honest, ni-ki is the main person that has body shamed sunoo, but after debut they were inseperable (they even slept toegther every night) ... i just think that the reason was ni-ki growing up and not being educated abt such things. the influence of his parents wasnt there at all
I stan a lot of groups and Enhypen and like Enhypen is a really close group like they are so close when they are together and it's not awkward I just don't understand how people can say the opposite >.
Because Enhypen members still have respect for each others boundaries 😂 groups who trained together for years and debuted together are more playful, have more skinship and chaotic with each other. And that's okay, Enhypen is close given that they've only known each other for 2 years but have deep respect for each other. Their relationship will only continue to grow through the years
Because those ppl who are 'attacking' their relationship actually falls into two categories, one they are not engene, so they don't watch en- contents, two, toxic solo stans.
Thank you for talking abt the omega x situation. I do think hybe need to pull themselves together tho
opinion 4 YEPPPP! this is why survival shows shouldn’t be created bc how are you going to go from being enemies to being close stable members in a couple of months😭? especially when they were all voting sunoo out every week.. it’s weird
I'm a sunoo stan and tbh it wasn't weird that they keep voting him off. He has a very short training time compared to most and there are more talented trainees in terms of dancing than Sunoo. I think they judged him as a visual idol only so they were hard on him. Just like how knetz would judge visuals as having no talent because they're more focused on his look. But as they progress they did see his qualities.
They were not enemies. They were competitors. It's a huge difference
If i heard the video creator right, they didn't even watch iland themselves, only heards from their friend and i 100% disagree with their opinion
LET ME MENTION THAT I, personally, THINK HAN IS THE BEST SKZ SONGWRITER.
same, i find his songs so insanely relatable.
his lyrics often bring me to tears
Like Slump?? Yes. So yes.
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yes !!~ i literally named my
channel after that song ㅠㅠ
@@nicecereals I know! Your name made me think of it! Its my 3rd fav kpop song ever
@@skzstarstruck1930 slump is one of my favs! but winter falls is my number one
Can you guys give it a rest with Iland? I mean, the show was 2 years ago, I’m pretty sure that if the boys had issues with each other during that time they had the time to solve them by now. They said about a hundred times that they want to move on from it and Sunoo even said in a recent interview that they were very young during that time and evolved a lot as individuals and as a group. I feel like they are one of the most misunderstood groups and even they are aware of it now. It’s like the Kpop fans decided they were gonna be their token group when talking about groups that aren’t close to elevate their own fav in a way and that’s weird.
i don’t think the reason why people are talking abt enhypen’s relationship is to elevate their own group at all, issues have been occurring recently (the sunoo bodyshaming situation) which is probably why everyone keeps talking abt iland and questioning their relationship
@@yoshified_ It’s kind of amazing how they are criticized for this to the point of people questioning if they like each other but stans ignore the other groups who made the same comments sometimes even worse.
The 'fatshaming' issue is only started by sunoo international solo stans.
Do korean engene thought it's an issue?
Remix is my cup of coffee, cause I don't tea much 💀
As a For X (Omega X Fandom i think) I am highly disturbed and disappointed with the situation they are still a rookie group and they are treated like poor.
They're not professional but also not clueless. After this situation we need to support to the max our boys.
Im happy they’re not disbanding wet I hope not. They’re fighters, Warriors, Brave and talented. We love them and we will support them however. ❤️❤️❤️
I hope this will never happen again! Thx Yoshified to mention it bc i had no clue. Love your contents. Never give up 👌❤️👍
abt opinion 4: ofc at first it was kinda weird, iland was (one of) the worst survival shows tbh, but rn they're so close and they're always together I genuinely don't get why anyone would say they're not close... like do you even watch en o'clocks and everything? bc i don't understand lmao
Fr. Ppol who say that they're not close do not watch their lives or content
Didn't the creator said they didn't watch the iland but decided to form an opinion based on what their friend said?
I disagree with their opinion
Also, imo no kpop idols have obligation to be best friends 😅
this was such a nice collection of opinions ☆
How do you identify if a kpop group is close or not? This seems to be something that is a subjective perception. As far as I've seen superficially Enhypen members seem so and I must admit I use to believe this too (tho keep in mind I knew nothing of the group other than the few clips I saw of them nor were there the vast amount of content there is now of them). But after learning more of the members individually AND as a collective through both content and posts I realized this was not true. There are numerous of instances where they showcase this closeness but people don't seem to take it into account almost as if it is normal things people who are "not close" do.
Kpop idols shouldn't even feel obligated to be best friends. They were strangers who became co workers. Is it a rule in companies that one should become best friends because they work together?
There is at least one Jongho solo work out there. The OST for Young Actor’s Retreat. However the song was not written or produced at KQ. I do think he could be an amazing soloist.
However Jongho is central to Ateez’s sound and a key part of the group.
Members were recently asked a question about what is a key characteristic of Ateez and they all said Jongho.
7:42 well tbh it doesnt really matter how small the number of contestants in a kpop survival show is some people are not gonna be shown at all 100%. I land for example had like 23 boys yet only like the same 9 popular trainees were having more screentime than everyone
This is my opinion, those with the most screentime in iland seems to have above average talents and visual, so mnet knew what they were doing.
I need a part 3, I love these types of videos so much
literally ur so underrated and i love to watch ur videos! keep it up i luv you
- Oof i love japanese comebacks, especially stray kids, itzy (even though they only have 4 japanese songs) and twice. Idt they should stop
- An opinion i submitted but didn't make it to this video was that i like nct's repackage titles better than the title of the original album, like hello future over hot sauce, favorite over sticker (even though i like sticker but favorite is just so good), beatbox over glitch mode (again i still like glitch mode, just that beatbox is 1 of 2 of my favorite nct dream titles, the other being hello future)
- Man the omega x situation is so sad, no one deserves to have to go through that, but expanding on the any publicity is good publicity, i feel like the staff member did that so the group would get more attention, because would we know omega x if it weren't for this situation?
I've been so busy that I haven't been able to be active on Twitter at all but I will most definitely look at that thread, I've always loved Omega X so I pray that everything gets better 🥺🥺💗💗
thank you for the video! < 33
oop one of mine is here🤭 i would love to see a part 3, i really appreciate how you articulate your responses to these!
tysm for bringing up omega x, i don’t stan nor listen to them either, but this is heartbreaking 😔
I think japanese comebacks are not a problem at all, I think it is always a benefit for the group to try to get fans from other countrys and it is not like we cannot hear japanese music too, right? And it is not like it is hard to learn the lyrics and basics of a language, a lot of idols know Japanese anyways. And, as an example, Itzy had their english comeback& japanese comeback lately, and the music is really good! At the same time, they gave us Checkmate a while ago so I think they and we only benefit from this!
I would love to see a part 3!
Yeah, can't agree with the Japanese comeback opinion. My favorite Stray Kids song is the Japanese version of Double Knot. Idk something about it hits different. And also Circus is am absolute banger in both Japanese and Korean.
....also multiple members know Japanese. Idk how fluent they are, but at least 3racha all speak it so some extent. I know they're not natives, but it's not like they're writing songs in a language they don't know and obvs JYPE has people fluent in Japanese who help them.
Oh my god, I can't believe your reacted to my opinion! That's crazy and just made my entire week. I love you videos so much!!
Twice Breakthrough is the reason why Japanese comebacks should be continued
I love that song so much! Nobody ever talks about that song
It's not engenes saying those things about Enhypen though, it's always people who watched like 4 clips on twitter who has the most to say about their friendship... The thing is, majority of Enhypen did know each other before i-land and were good friends. Yeah so what that they were a bit awkward in the beginning, they are teenage boys who just went from living a normal life to constantly having eyes on them and living together with 6 other boys, wouldn't you feel a bit out of place as well? I'm not going to mention a name because I don't want the fandom to get mad, but the other group I stan were also pretty awkward their first years and now they are known for being one of the closest groups. People tend to forget that Enhypen aren't even a 2 year old group yet, but people are treating them as if they are a 7 year old group... As someone who has been into kpop for some time now, I've never seen a group that is so misunderstood as Enha, people are speaking as if they know the members when in fact most of you haven't seen a single enhypen content outside of edited clips on tiktok or twitter.
(Oh, and by "you" I'm not meaning the creator of this video, I'm just saying it to everyone who feels like the shoe fits)
Just because they don't cling to each other every time they are on camera doesn't mean they are not close. Everyone has different way of expressing their love and care. And it's clear that their love language is not physical touch but these pea brains just don't understand that and still bring up a survival show which happened 2 years ago
I totally agree with you on the clips thing. Those edited biased clips bothers me lately that i saw one or two on youtube, because I don't use twitter. I can go on a full blown essay about them 😅 and i think i did comments a lot. I'm never one to defend any members as I'm not a stan. I don't like to use stan as it has connotation of being very biased. I like to be objective to my fave groups.
I felt lonely in my 'fight' until i saw some comments like yours here.
Also i think no idols should be obligated to be friends at all though.
My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, but BTS and Stray Kids are definitely very close as well!
OH MY GOD- how did i not know about the omega x thing TT
its sad and I hope they get justice...
rock with you same to hot or cheers..?
And really good answer for Jongho, every member as a place in ateez, and that why ateez is ateez, if jongho was not here, ateez would not be the same anymore, because he really as a big place in it
Jongho do covers on his solo show, and he is really good as always, he has ost too which are so good, I advice you all to check for yourself ^^
The boys don’t deserve that treatment. I hope the omega x members are ok.
i honestly REALLY tired of this narrative "enhypen aren't close and have tension in a group"
almost all of them knew each other several years before iland (minus sunoo, ni-ki and jake), were friends, they voluntarily decided to forget ranks and missions of iland as soon as they steped out of that egg
they constantly together, calling each other when sick, talking about each other, being each other hype men, if anything iland made them have fear of separation. iland was toxic, was hard and they got past it and slowly build the strongest bond i've seen
they simply would NOT perform so flawlessly if they were not close, cause it demands insane amout of trust and actually knowing each other to do so
and it always those who have know NOTHING about them, or their relationships, like please
sunoo didn't cried in concerts (with half of the members with him) saying how he loves his members, engenes and how he is happy to debut with them for yall to say this nonsence
Yeah with the idols re debuting in survival shows I’d also want to talk about nu’est and wanna one. I’m so happy that they managed to expose pledis for the way they screwed them over. And similar to victon nu’est W got their first win 7years after debut when pledis decided to capitalise off their publicity. I can see how it would be unfair as these idols have experience but I’m glad it’s like a second chance for them. I miss nu’est so much 😢
the first one is very interesting to me. i feel like they wouldn’t care if japanese comebacks got eliminated but would care if eng vers and songs stopped, but that’s just an assumption. i think japanese comebacks are important because japan is one of the countries every group tours in and they all try to market to japan. especially seventeen because jeonghan has a cult following in japan.
Kpop agencies will care, japan is the second largest music market. Hardly any kpop idols flop there. Even groups who aren't popular in korea thrived in japan with loyal fans. Example, boyfriend, jyj or who is that jaejoong? Sorry I don't remember his name
WE NEED A PART 3
my opinion was the one about skz! i personally am not a fan of bts (anymore) but i do know that they are definitely up there (probably the best) with their rap line. stray kids are extremely all-rounded, i cant believe i forgot to add about their vocals and i’m hating myself for that😔 but they just excel and stick out (in a good way) in everything and i can’t take my eyes off of them.
and about the ggs releasing bangers they really are- i used to be a bg stan, just solely listened to bgs until randomly i started listening to twice, then itzy, ive (this was around when ive debuted) and i’ve been in love with girl groups ever since. i barely listen to bgs atp other than stray kids and ateez, and other songs here and there.
My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, but BTS and Stray Kids are definitely very close as well, they're amazing!
why am i the exact same as u lMFAOO
I’m just gonna put it out there but there was a tweet I saw recently that said everyone that says Enhypen aren’t close say that because they aren’t queer-baiting. Now I personally don’t agree with that last part and bringing up queer-baiting so please don’t attack me for that part of the statement, but I understand what the OP was saying. Basically you don’t see Enhypen constantly cuddling each other or being all up in each other’s space like most idols do with each other. People have gotten used to seeing idol groups act super affectionate with each other (kissing, cuddling, hugging, sitting on each other’s laps) and that has conditioned most people to think that if idols don’t do that with each other then they aren’t close. I’m not saying Enhypen doesn’t have their fair share of affectionate moments but I feel their “love language” or way to show respect to each other is by words. There have been many many times the members have thanked each other and verbally spoken about how they appreciate each other for always supporting one another and how that makes them feel comfortable and close with each other. Many times, certain members of Enhypen have spoken about how they like to have their personal space and so I think they have all sort of built this sort of respect for their preferences by letting each other have their space and only being affectionate when another member initiates or they feel like it. Like I said before this isn’t always the case because Jay and Jungwon seem to have a very affectionate bond and other members do seem really fond of each other in a healthy but respective way. I’d also like to add that after I-land all members announced in front of a camera that their rankings in I-land would not be talked about and that there would be no hurt feelings. There is a bunch of misunderstandings when it comes to Enhypen but I believe the biggest one is being that they’re not close somehow just because they don’t show it 24/7. Sorry if some parts of this don’t make sense 😭 it’s been a while since I wrote a comment this long and I don’t usually talk about matters like this publicly
I only follow 2 bg, one of them is en-. Every group has different way of showing their relationship.
I agree with en- being misunderstood, but it's only because of some solo stans creating misrepresented image via biased edited clips. Non fans and some fans who saw bought the narrative video creator intended to show without fact checking themselves.
At the end of the day, no idols are obligated to be besties, they were stranger who became co workers.
Pt 3 pls!!🥺💗
I feel like sometimes putting already debuted idols in survival shows like may and bora from cherry bullet who both went on gp999 isn’t bad but what I don’t understand with the gp999 fans, or Wtv you wanna call em idk, was honestly the oddest thing I have ever seen(coming from a lullet before gp999 had even been released or anything) because everyone wanted may to be in the final line up and a huge amount off viewers were dissatisfied when she didn’t debut. Personally I wasnt all too sad she didn’t debut with kep1er bc I thought that would bring a good portion of gp999 watchers to Stan and support cherry bullet and the other members along with may and bora, but no. Everyone forgot ab may within a week and cherry bullet is still the exact same as they were before may and bora went on gp999. It honestly boggles my mind thinking ab it.
I would love to have a part 3!
Groups having no specific position doesn't mean they're all rounder . I feel like company actually debut group with no specific position so that they can freely try new things outside of their position , which having fixed position group can't do most of the time . Like if a idol have a specific position in a group for example "if a idol is main vocalist or main rapper but have some rapping part or singing part outside of their position than it becomes unfair for those members who originally hold that singing or rapping position. Also it can lead to unfair line distribution. So most members have to stick with their specific position even though they want to try something new. (Well there can be some expection ) but group with no specific position can freely try singing or rapping because they doesn't have any fixed position in group . So yeah I think group having no position doesn't mean they're all rounder. Because one idol can't be good at everything. I just realized I didn't explain about why I'm saying this opinion. Well there's some fans who actually think that a group having no specific Position means all the members are main vocalist, rapper and dancer which is simply dumb . Also if someone say that "one specific member who's vocal/rap is good such a main vocalist/rapper things" than some fans just get mad saying this group doesn't have any position all members are main vocalist/rapper/dancer . Which is annoyingly stupid . Because not all idols can be all-rounder .
I actually prefer idols don't have any position, maybe except leader.
It gives them freedom to not being boxed only inside their 'designated role'
For opinion 5 I am mainly a bg stan so it wouldn't look off in bg shelf, but it would in my gg shelf. In my opinion starship just recycled materials from monstax and cravity albums and just made the ive album it really doesn't fit the concept but oh well.
i think seventeens music just keeps getting better🤌
i kinda agree with the first one. i still like their Japanese comebacks, but there’s not really a reason to, and they could just make Japanese versions of their songs. this goes specifically towards twice.
I actually don't mind an original japanese songs, i quite enjoy some of them
Tbh we shouldn’t blame iland sense a lot of groups came out of Survival shows and it didn’t effect their relationship though
B0DYSH@MING- Can we please move on from that. I only loved BTOB and only looked into ENHYPEN after that controversy, I wanted to know how they are like.
And what I saw was that Sunoo and NI-KI are the closest (members confirmed this) that they tease and fight a lot but also get back together immediately.
Ni-Ki is still a child who isn't in his own country and he doesn't have his family with him in SoKor so he is still childish in his teasing.
Him mentioning Sunoo's weight to tease him was wrong, but it's a misguided joke NOT an intentional bvllying attempt that everyone paints it out to be. I think he might have thought it's fine since Sunoo is thin, he isn't fat so he might have thought it's not body shaming. When Sunoo declined to eat, Niki acted upset with him for not eating and kept telling him to eat till Sunoo relented, is that a behavior someone who really intended to bodyshame a person.
After the scandal, Sunoo still initiates playing, looking after and interacting with Ni-Ki. If Sunoo was really bullied he would have avoided Niki so people should stop saying Niki is a bvlly.
Also Jay and Sunghoon was even named bvllies by haters, whereas Sunoo kept telling everyone who would listen that he loves Jay since he takes care of him a lot and Sunghoon watches out him a lot. Sunghoon immediately can see if Sunoo is not well or upset and knows how to redirect his attention. People who keep bringing up bvllying accusations when the boys clearly have moved on from that scandal are the ones that are actual bvllies.
JUST WATCH THEIR ACTUAL CONTENT EVEN THE LATEST ENOCLOCK so you can see their relationship.
the fact that a group picked by it's leader is so much better quality (skz) than half the other groups picked by their company lol
fuckin true🙇🏻♀️😭
Tbf there's many groups that were picked by their companies that are amazing, both music and group chemistry wise, but I agree that it was a great idea to let Chan pick the members himself and it definitely paid off!
part 3 unnie please
I think Jongho fits ateez. BUT HANSE? I AGREE SO MUCH
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one of my opinions made it in the video 😭😭
[opinion #6]
part 3???
also #protectomegax
thank you for mentioning the omega x situation :(
I quite don't understand the japanese comebacks' one because the members has to learn japanese no matter what for the japanese promo ?
No, they don't have to learn japanese, they only need to learn how to sing the songs in japanese. Although i think some big agencies do have japanese class because japan is the world's second largest music market
Usually in a group that doesn't have japanese member, somone who is the best in japanese will be the spokepersoj for the group when they promote in japan
no cuz the reason kep1er's new album is such a fail is because the company gives them too many comebacks. I guess they value quantity more than quality which is just extremely sad considering that kep1er is a temporary group and here they are wasting their time on such a bad comeback😔
3:31 I like Ballads, Fight me
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Yayyyy, I'm early 💗💗💗💗
Blackpink lost their hype. It’s fascinating to me bc I thought they never would. People (their fans not locals from what I see) talk about them when they’re about to release something, and once their music is released after a long hiatus the talk is shut down so quickly 😂
Idk I’m not hearing as much talk about them or their tour.
maybe that’s just you bc their tour has been all over my feed on every platform i have
@@yoshified_ I’m a common listener. I follow multiple western media and Kpop accounts. I love Blackpink, but I actually have to look them up in order to see what’s the latest on them.
Edit: I’m not hearing much talk… at least not the amount of talk around their Coachella era.
Eeee honestly these vids are so relaxing? Idk
Btw check ur mentions!
6:15 I already see the comments coming lmfao
stray kids rap line outdo every single time
My personal favourite rapline in Kpop and in general belongs to Monsta X as Jooheon/Joohoney and Changkyun/I.M are such an incredible duo and their chemistry and dynamic is out of this world, Stray Kids are definitely very close as well, they're amazing!
@@Kalakeiko omg yes they are also on my top raplines, easily. them and skz are the standard imo
@@hearts4leebit Agreed! I'd absolutely love if they would do a collab some time, they'd kill it (and us lmao) for sure! There's many great rappers in Kpop, but no one does it like Monsta X and Stray Kids imo, they're unmatched!
@@Kalakeiko THIS. i agree completely like imagine han and changkyun's style of rapping together?? it would EAT.
@@hearts4leebit The world wouldn't be ready for such greatness and neither would we lmaoo, the closest thing to a collab we've gotten so far was that special rap stage with Monsta X, Stray Kids and NCT, but they only performed one after another sadly, but who knows maybe one day we'll get to see them collab for real!
I would like to comment on the 10th point about the frequency of comebacks. I don't really agree with you because I feel like when groups release too much music, we loose interest in their comebacks. I can feel that with Stray Kids and I know that many people feel the same. Like they are obviously popular within Stays, but for the general public their comebacks aren't impactful anymore. Moreover, it's not because they don't release music every 3 months that they don't work. They are OVERLY worked. Take the example of TXT, who releases music every 9 months more or less, they are still producing so many video content on their youtube chanel, interviews, fashion brands collaboration, concerts, etc. and on top of that they need to practice, exercise, etc. and still can see their families only once a year because of their schedule. As a MOA, I would be very concerned about them coming back more than twice a year.
skz is definitely overworked and ofc that isn’t okay bc they should relax a little bit, but i don’t think them having a lot of comebacks is making people loose interest in them, if anything, every time they have a comeback, they get more popular, if the general public wasn’t still looking out for them, i don’t think breaking records would even be possible, stays were once apart of the general public, let’s take maniac for example, that song brought in a lot of new stays, and that’s why they broke their record when case 143 came out, bc people are buying their albums and streaming their music, they get more popular everyday
Two comebacks is acceptable for me because usually idols are also busy with other engagements. Concerts, youtube, japan shooting etc. But once a year comeback, if it's my fave group I'd whine hahah but of course there's nothing i can do
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Japan has one of the biggest music markets in the world. They put out cbs because it's to their benefit to try and get into that market. Just because international fans don't appreciate them, doesn't mean they don't serve their purpose.
I have been liking 17s latest music much better than their older songs. Fallen Flower was the only song if theirs I would listen to and it's not even a Korean release. But I've been enjoying from Left and Right era.
I am not an Engene but I did watch Iland. I also do think they have tensions still.
I don't like Changbins flow but by default of lact of good rappers they take the 2nd place with maybe Monsta X taking the 3rd.
I don't stan these groups but that Ateez kid literally defines their music. They pretty much build their songs around him so this doesn't make sense.
😅if you are not an engene and didn't watch the iland then...yeah, then it's your opinion that they have tension.
No kpop idols should feel obligated to be best friends with their co workers
I personally 100% disagree with the video creator opinion on enhypen, they said they didn't even watch the iland, and i am not being subjective even though i like enhypen
@@bluey3538 yeah I had some typos so thanks for pointing that out. It should say "I did watch ILand". I was voting for K, Taki and Nicholas which is why I'm getting into &TEAM right now. I should have fixed all my typos and I still do think they have tensions still but I wasn't talking about competitive tensions like some people seem to think. I was more referring to the tensions that come with adjusting to each other without the long training period most groups have and that I didn't explain in my 1st comment.
@@Nicholi86 wow you voted for those three and now they debuted? You must be excited.
I watched &audition too and my favorite was hikaru and gaku. They didn't debut but somehow I'm glad 😅
What do you think of their debut song?
@@bluey3538 oh my gosh I'm so excited! I also liked Gaku and Hikaru but I wanted Hayate to get in as well. I do hope Hybe holds on to these 3 as well and debuts them in another group. The only member I didn't connect well with in the debut team is Jo but he's such a cutie, hes already growing on me.
I loved the debut EP and especially Under My Skin. Like K's little vocal runs give me goosebumps and Maki is turning into that vocal powerhouse I thought he would be. Yuma as well. I just wish there was more of Fuma and EJ but it's a 9 member group. Some members always get the short end. I hope they work on that and balancing screen time as well.
@@Nicholi86 if gaku, hayate (how can i forget about him!!), Hikaru (although he is still very lacking) debut I'll certainly check them out. But I won't expect too much. I've moved on 😅
Really? Like less lines for fuma and ej? Maybe next song
I don't follow &team, because their debut song isn't my type
used to be an engene?? What happened man
I think doing Japanese comeback help more
Japanese peoples loving the group in this case. Yes they should take breaks but It depends if they want to or the group is pressured by the company/entertainment. I really don’t know at this point. 🤔
BTS will remain be the best group of all time but as a Stay (Fandom of SKZ) will be huge i just know. I support all the groups but i am not a fan of all groups. Some are good and others are trying their hardest and respect that.
I hope the other groups get the success they want.
And SKZ vocals are really amazing trust me. They’re just recognized for there rap line and making music but the vocals are angelic.
Sorry for the longs comments i made i had a lot to write. English is not my speciality. So maybe there will be grammar errors.
that seventeen one is just not true at all...
oh ur a stay
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Wait,you never noticed the tension with enhypen members, esp the sunoo situation?😭
that sunoo situation happened long after i stopped being an engene
@@yoshified_ ah okay! Ye their chemistry is super off now. Just feels uncomfortable tbh
@@purpleantidote6120 it is only that way because they are conscious about how the kpop community views them. They are aware of what happened and they do their darndest to send out a message they're close without being overbearing. What about that is "off"?
Or do you want them to be perfect plastic dolls without any hint of stress or feelings?
@@april_showers14 nope, just nice to one another will be enough lol
@@purpleantidote6120 they are plenty nice to each other. Idk where you are coming from but you must be lurking in solo stans' spaces.