I agree, but KTM is way too wxpensive here in brazil, also if you break down or need assistance, you will have a hard time finding parts or a mechanic that have worked with the brand
herostratics, I was rooting for Honda to win the 2017 Dakar this year, because there's a rumor going around that Honda would consider a CRF 450 L Rally with a good publicity derived from a Dakar win. Unfortunately, they were caught red handed refueling in a controlled area, and lost any chance to get the win. That 250 L Rally is more urban than adventurous. The engine cannot cope with the job. No Honda being Honda, that 450 may never see the light of the day.
Great job Man, really appreciated you logical and concise considerations regarding all these offerings. You give a good overview with facts to the fore, and conjecture at a minimum but enough to provide context for the info.
As always my friend you do a fantastic job. I always enjoy your well researched and informative videos.i agree with you that 2017 will be an improvement from current year offers. I myself would be interested in you getting your hands on the 2017 CRF 250 l to see if the improvements get it close enough to the WR 250 R. While KTM Seems to be doing the right thing all the others appear to be making heavy FOR there displacement road bikes that are dressed in ADV CLOTHING. I however get it because how many new riders are going to do anything more difficult than a gravel road. With that said the new Kawasaki and BMW 310 will be huge hits. I personally like the idea of a dual sport that can lean in the ADV direction. So I am hopeful that the new CRFL is close to the current WR in performance Or maybe Yamaha pulls a fast one and does a mid year refresh with better adjustment to the suspension,bigger fuel tank,lighten it up a touch and ad abs(wishful thinking) or wait for 2018 Keep up the good work. Another thought would be , is it possible for you to review jackets I like the KLIM badlands because it offers the ultimate in safety and function but is unaffordable for most to one that comes really close in safety / function and or compare /review the new helmets that have the torsion liner that. Is supposed to reduce brain related injury when compared to current helmet offerings You asked for a few ideas I hope these are helpful. Happy holidays to you and a safe new year Thanks again Rich
+Ruth Squillace Thanks for the ideas Rich! Yer not so much for the serious off road next year 😢 but these new bikes should bring in new blood which is a plus. Yer I am looking at gettinf the Bell MX9 adventure with MIPS, which is their trauma helmet system. So i will try do a video on helmets with the new tech ☺I think 2018 will be a better year for serious off road riders.
Good video to keep up to date. I have f800gs which I love but it's a handful. Would love to see a lighter version of something without crippling low power.
Thanks William, Yer I always love reading/chatting about the latest news in the adventure world. I thought why not bring the conversation to youtube :-)
I've been reading some buzz about Ducati's new mini Multi/Hyperstrada too. Would love to hear more about that bike as well. Thanks for the overview! So many good options out there. Subscribed!
Great preview vid of the new bikes coming out for us ADV/Dual Sport riders. My dream bike would be a serious dual sport/ADV bike from Triumph with the 675 triple! To me that would be the sweet spot between light weight & sufficient power to do some serious off road & long distance riding to get to where you are going & daily commuting. Maybe the Yamaha T7 will turn out to be that bike. I still don't understand why Yamaha hasn't made a WR450R dualsport. For the love of God Yamaha, PLEASE!!!!
Thanks mate :-) Its not like it would be hard as the 800 is just a bored out 675 so it would fit :-D and yes Yamaha please listen to the man, give us a WR450R!! (same weight or less).
Great vid man! I'm actually downsizing myself this coming season and getting rid of my fat 800gs to replace it with a wr250r. Having thought about I for a long time now so I'm finally gonna go for it. Been watching your wr250r vids and mods with great pleasure so as for my personal video request I would like to see more of that. Keep up your great videos! Cheers from a wintery cold Sweden!
Thanks AC! Watching your vids I am always impressed to see you man handle GS where I would be too scared to take mine. You will be unstoppable on a WR :-) I will add a WR250R review Part 3 to the list for next year where i will go over the mods etc, how it progressed to its current iteration, and what direction the bike is going to take in the future. Thanks for the input from a boiling hot Aussie summer!
Man, i hope that T7 blows my mind when its released.... Going for a massive world wide trip with my best mate in a few years and wonder what YAMAHA and KTM will have to offer by then..
great information. I guess I would like to see more riding whether on or off road out of town, but your reviews and comments are very good. I was thinking about the review of the triumph tiger 800 honda cb500x and bmw 700gs. keep em coming!
Thanks for suggestions! Regarding the lowering of a bike - If done properly It should not affect the bike other than ground clearence. Many bikes come with the capability to be lowered through a lowering link or low seat option. If seat height is king the F700GS is stupid low for an Adventure bike, so is the Triumph tiger 800 XR www.visordown.com/features/motorcycle-top-10s/top-10-low-seat-adventure-bikes.
Nice introduction, I'm especially interested in those smaller bikes. Over here in Indonesia, where anything bigger than a 250cc gets a crazy amount of tax / import duties (up to +135%, for the bigger bikes!), most can only afford a 250. So, I expect to see tons of the Versys x300 being sold here but in it's 250cc incarnation (and being converted back up to it's 300cc form as soon as the officials aren't looking ; ). Anyway, BMW 310cc sales won't be up to much in Indonesia -- which is a huge market (+/- 60% of all vehicles are bikes). Shame that the KLX 250S seems to be disappearing -- the Versys is no 'replacement' for that, and the CRF 250 doesn't seem to be available at all : ( Keep up the good vids.
+Johnathan Wilkinson Thanks! Yes I think a lot of people in the western market forget that we are a very small portion of the global market, where 250's and under rule the sales because of the tax you mentioned. Pity about not getting the CRF.
Thanks Daz! I ultimately decided to stick with mainstream motorcycles in order to keep the vid under 10 hours :P Might cover the Super Dual, PR7 and CCM450 in another vid. The PR7 looks really nice though, the down side is 15 units for AU so no test ride for me any time soon :-(
I usually only see these bikes in pairs with giant luggage compartments attached to the rear, going exactly the speed limit in the middle lane of the highway. Born to be mild plays in my head when I see them.
Yer looking forward to throwing a leg over both of those bikes. I have ridden the SWM RS650R which uses the same motor as the SD and it was pretty decent, hopefully they smoothed it out a bit for the SD model.
Brilliant! I am a new rider hitting 50- really haven't ridden a bike since my late teens. Anyway I live rural, need a bike that will take the dirt and travel long distances. Perhaps a review of bikes for us rural folks? BMW F800 etc. Thanks mate!
No worries mate will be doing quite a few Adventure Biker reviews this year :-) I have already done a review on my own F700GS (F800GS with cast alloy wheels) It was my first video so bare with me. If you are thinking bigger adventure bike I have also reviewed the Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin, Yamaha Tenere 660 and 1200, Triumph Tiger 800 and KLR650. Thanks for the input, COS
I really hope the T7 happens. What a combo that would be. Yamahas reliable torquey 700 that has already proven itself, if they can keep the weight down and make if comfortable enough for long rides while still keeping it nibble enough for the dirt. ill be the first to put my money down if they can also keep the price under 10k USD
Big plus for mention the problem of no 300cc in CRFL Rally. Engine already exists in CBR300R. More weight of Rally demands much more power. Without it I wait for KTM move.
Yer if the 390 keeps those power figures and the weight off it will be a great package. I would also love to see Yamaha put the 321cc twin they have in a light weight Tenere style model. That would be a tempting package also!
Mate if you like the sound of some of these new adventure bikes you should try to get a go on a KTM 640. They are old-ish now days buy have everything your looking for, lightweight, powerful, massive fuel capacity, reliable etc...
It really does annoy me with the KTM640, almost a perfect bike for what a lot want, even with its common issues. But then KTM proceeded to move further and further away from ultralight adventure bikes. I guess the 690 made more financial sense, as both dual sporter's and adventure riders would buy it and mod it accordingly, saving them the hassle of extra R&D. Hoping the 390 might be the 640's spiritual successor.
The engine casing on the "KTM 390 Adventure" is similar to the "KTM 800 Parallel Twin Adventure" spy shots I've seen, probably the 2018 engine series designed for the new Euro emissions standards. That may help explain the large prototype catalytic converter in front of the rear wheel.
Of all of these, only KTM seems to be approaching the mark IMO, although the CRF Rally could eventually be a winner with some weight loss and another few horses. Of course, I'm talking about a "real" adventure bike, not just a street bike with ADV styling cues. The 390 will be worth a ride for sure, if and when it arrives. Nice and light presumably.
chroniclesofsolid Indeed, I think that's what many of us are hoping for. The capability and sheer range of the 640, with modern reliability - and maybe a little bit smoother LOL.
When I was at the AIMO expo talking to KTM they said that somewhere in the first quarter of this year they will be announcing their "africa twin killer" they claimed about the same price, more hp and better everywhere. We shall see.
Righto, I will see if I can get a test ride when they arrive hear. I am a bit hesitant as quality control on the RE's has been an issue. Certainly has me curious though :-)
I'm a Yamaha guy but that Kawi 300 def has my interest. Although I plan taking the WR across the Trans America Trail this spring. I haven't found anything that can beat the WR yet.
Doing the TAT should be a great trip! Yer hard to replace the WR in the current market unless they come out with a unicorn bike, it would need to be pretty special.
I've been seeing the KTM 1290 Adventurer offered at an attractive discount for the 2016 model (14,999) in the SF bay area. That's still a lot of money unless one treats it as a car purchase and uses it as such.
The Kawasaki seems like a great bike, With a small engine size you get really cheap carnet and it's very likely that it's also sold in other countries including 3. World countries. It's plenty engine to travel roads of all sorts. Since it's cheap to buy, cheap to run it will free up a shitload of money to travel and see the world. Me from riding 1200gs, xr450 and many more bikes are trying out a Vespa gts300 because everyone told me that's useless for touring and impossible to use as an adventure bike, I thought hey let me prove that's wrong.
The new FE's and EXC's are definitely on the radar, especially the 500's considering their weight reduction and on road manners. But there are two reasons they did not make the list. The first is that to cover the FE501 I would have to cover the FE450 and FE350 as well as the KTM's 500, 450, and 350 EXC. Then my video would be 5 hours long :-P Secondly I personally class the FE and EXC's as enduro bikes so that also excluded them from the list. COS
the kawasaki and bmw might be good sellers, they should have a fair amount of power and a little bit of weight might not be a bad thing in some circumstances but as long they keep low seat height it will be good, low seat sells. shame tough that bmw didn't but spoke wheels, or a nice small boxer engine.
Nothing has been officially confirmed by Honda but Viserdown is reporting that it will get redesigned spoke wheels, cosmetic changes including new colours, and possibly cruise control as standard www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/honda-africa-twin-being-updated-201 7
That one opened. Thanks. The Honda dealers in western Canada ran out of Twins because of the earthquake. They are really scarce. I'm sure I will get to see one at the Vancouver motorcycle show January 21.
Martoni727 the emissions regulations are holding the manufacturers back. they can keep building old models with the past regulations. any new models have to be designed with the new regukations which id difficult to achieve with single cylinders nowadays.
I did consider it along with the CCM450 but ultimately went with covering the main stream market where most interest lies. Perhaps I can do a hardcore enthusiast version with these bikes. COS
Nothing has been officially confirmed by Honda but Viserdown is reporting that it will get redesigned spoke wheels, cosmetic changes including new colours, and possibly cruise control as standard www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/honda-africa-twin-being-updated-2017
if you have deep pockets yes their great bike s but remember if your traveling to places you dont know id rather have a older bike less attractive to be robbed on
Take the Honda CRF 250 L Rally through its paces outside of the city. They are not yet available here in the USA, but I believe they will be in Europe in bigger numbers and way before they reach the States. Dual Sport bikes are not that popular here, so getting your hands on one for a test ride is not always easy.
The 250 Rally should be here in a few weeks (Western Australia). Only down side is I will not be getting an extended test ride, so likely no dirt testing :-(
Pity, yes. I think you will still be reasonably impressed with this baby dual sport. The pricing is an outrage though. You can get a CRF 650 L for the same amount of money, however the restricted autonomy contradicts its philosophy of free rider. True that your GPS tells you where the closest gas station is, but when I am in the Big Ben Park in Texas, I do not want my course to be correlating on gas stations.
We do not get the Tornado in Australia so unfortunately I cannot give you any insight :-( advrider.com/index.php?threads/honda-tornado-xr250-thread.863703/
Suzuki has succeeded in making the newest Vstroms prohibitively ugly. Stupid color schemes and hideous beaks. Glad I own a 2013 "standard" white DL 650....the "prettiest" Vstrom.
I thought the same exact thing. I too own a 2013 DL 650 in white and it's not the best looking bike but at least I don't have to look at it while riding it. But the way Suzuki "uglied up" the new V Strom's would have me looking elsewhere if I were in the market for a new bike.
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You're so right about the 450cc-500cc zone being the unicorn area. I want a CRF450L. Maybe next year's KTM 390 will be the elusive horned equine.
We can only hope!
I agree, but KTM is way too wxpensive here in brazil, also if you break down or need assistance, you will have a hard time finding parts or a mechanic that have worked with the brand
herostratics, I was rooting for Honda to win the 2017 Dakar this year, because there's a rumor going around that Honda would consider a CRF 450 L Rally with a good publicity derived from a Dakar win. Unfortunately, they were caught red handed refueling in a controlled area, and lost any chance to get the win. That 250 L Rally is more urban than adventurous. The engine cannot cope with the job. No Honda being Honda, that 450 may never see the light of the day.
Having lived in the year 2017 I can tell you your in for a treat 😁
Just loved the new Versys!
Great job Man, really appreciated you logical and concise considerations regarding all these offerings. You give a good overview with facts to the fore, and conjecture at a minimum but enough to provide context for the info.
Thanks Thomas, appreciate it :-)
As always my friend you do a fantastic job. I always enjoy your well researched and informative videos.i agree with you that 2017 will be an improvement from current year offers. I myself would be interested in you getting your hands on the 2017 CRF 250 l to see if the improvements get it close enough to the WR 250 R. While KTM Seems to be doing the right thing all the others appear to be making heavy FOR there displacement road bikes that are dressed in ADV CLOTHING. I however get it because how many new riders are going to do anything more difficult than a gravel road. With that said the new Kawasaki and BMW 310 will be huge hits. I personally like the idea of a dual sport that can lean in the ADV direction. So I am hopeful that the new CRFL is close to the current WR in performance Or maybe Yamaha pulls a fast one and does a mid year refresh with better adjustment to the suspension,bigger fuel tank,lighten it up a touch and ad abs(wishful thinking) or wait for 2018
Keep up the good work. Another thought would be , is it possible for you to review jackets I like the KLIM badlands because it offers the ultimate in safety and function but is unaffordable for most to one that comes really close in safety / function and or compare /review the new helmets that have the torsion liner that. Is supposed to reduce brain related injury when compared to current helmet offerings
You asked for a few ideas I hope these are helpful. Happy holidays to you and a safe new year
Thanks again
Rich
+Ruth Squillace Thanks for the ideas Rich! Yer not so much for the serious off road next year 😢 but these new bikes should bring in new blood which is a plus. Yer I am looking at gettinf the Bell MX9 adventure with MIPS, which is their trauma helmet system. So i will try do a video on helmets with the new tech ☺I think 2018 will be a better year for serious off road riders.
Looking forward to the reviews of the new smaller bikes! Thx!
Good video to keep up to date. I have f800gs which I love but it's a handful. Would love to see a lighter version of something without crippling low power.
Keep up the great content mate! Glad to see an Aussie content creator making my mind of content ! Subbed
Thanks William, Yer I always love reading/chatting about the latest news in the adventure world. I thought why not bring the conversation to youtube :-)
That little BMW looks like a road bike. About as dirt-worthy as my cbr250.
I've been reading some buzz about Ducati's new mini Multi/Hyperstrada too. Would love to hear more about that bike as well. Thanks for the overview! So many good options out there. Subscribed!
Thanks mate! Looking forward to getting a test ride on the 950 myself :-)
Great breakdown. Thanks for the effort!
I can't wait for somebody to introduce a new 500cc adventure/dual sport bike.
Thanks mate, me too!
Great preview vid of the new bikes coming out for us ADV/Dual Sport riders. My dream bike would be a serious dual sport/ADV bike from Triumph with the 675 triple! To me that would be the sweet spot between light weight & sufficient power to do some serious off road & long distance riding to get to where you are going & daily commuting. Maybe the Yamaha T7 will turn out to be that bike. I still don't understand why Yamaha hasn't made a WR450R dualsport. For the love of God Yamaha, PLEASE!!!!
Thanks mate :-) Its not like it would be hard as the 800 is just a bored out 675 so it would fit :-D and yes Yamaha please listen to the man, give us a WR450R!! (same weight or less).
Nice info about the upcoming models. Happy New Year to ya, although its about 12 hours late :-) !
Better late than never! Merry new year to you too and thanks for watching :-)
Great vid man! I'm actually downsizing myself this coming season and getting rid of my fat 800gs to replace it with a wr250r. Having thought about I for a long time now so I'm finally gonna go for it. Been watching your wr250r vids and mods with great pleasure so as for my personal video request I would like to see more of that. Keep up your great videos! Cheers from a wintery cold Sweden!
Thanks AC! Watching your vids I am always impressed to see you man handle GS where I would be too scared to take mine. You will be unstoppable on a WR :-) I will add a WR250R review Part 3 to the list for next year where i will go over the mods etc, how it progressed to its current iteration, and what direction the bike is going to take in the future.
Thanks for the input from a boiling hot Aussie summer!
Accidental Enduro
well done on the reviews. quick and precise. looking forward to the Yamaha T7. quite possibly my last new bike purchase.
Thanks mate! "quite possibly my last new bike purchase" famous last words!
I'm so excited for that t7. I plan to sell my ktm super adventure to get one when they come out. I subbed just for updates on that. Nice video btw
Thanks mate! Yer a lot of people looking forward to more details on the T7, myself included.
Safe riding,
COS
Man, i hope that T7 blows my mind when its released.... Going for a massive world wide trip with my best mate in a few years and wonder what YAMAHA and KTM will have to offer by then..
Sounds like you are in for an epic adventure!
i drove the honda crf rally last week, such a cool bike... even with only 250cc.
I am looking forward to riding one myself
great information. I guess I would like to see more riding whether on or off road out of town, but your reviews and comments are very good. I was thinking about the review of the triumph tiger 800 honda cb500x and bmw 700gs. keep em coming!
Thanks for suggestions! Regarding the lowering of a bike - If done properly It should not affect the bike other than ground clearence. Many bikes come with the capability to be lowered through a lowering link or low seat option. If seat height is king the F700GS is stupid low for an Adventure bike, so is the Triumph tiger 800 XR www.visordown.com/features/motorcycle-top-10s/top-10-low-seat-adventure-bikes.
Nice introduction, I'm especially interested in those smaller bikes. Over here in Indonesia, where anything bigger than a 250cc gets a crazy amount of tax / import duties (up to +135%, for the bigger bikes!), most can only afford a 250. So, I expect to see tons of the Versys x300 being sold here but in it's 250cc incarnation (and being converted back up to it's 300cc form as soon as the officials aren't looking ; ). Anyway, BMW 310cc sales won't be up to much in Indonesia -- which is a huge market (+/- 60% of all vehicles are bikes).
Shame that the KLX 250S seems to be disappearing -- the Versys is no 'replacement' for that, and the CRF 250 doesn't seem to be available at all : (
Keep up the good vids.
+Johnathan Wilkinson Thanks! Yes I think a lot of people in the western market forget that we are a very small portion of the global market, where 250's and under rule the sales because of the tax you mentioned. Pity about not getting the CRF.
Great video mate,, the AJP PR7 is another good adventure bike coming out next year.
Thanks Daz! I ultimately decided to stick with mainstream motorcycles in order to keep the vid under 10 hours :P Might cover the Super Dual, PR7 and CCM450 in another vid.
The PR7 looks really nice though, the down side is 15 units for AU so no test ride for me any time soon :-(
I usually only see these bikes in pairs with giant luggage compartments attached to the rear, going exactly the speed limit in the middle lane of the highway. Born to be mild plays in my head when I see them.
SWM Super Dual is the one I'm looking forward test-riding. Also CRF250 Rally
Yer looking forward to throwing a leg over both of those bikes. I have ridden the SWM RS650R which uses the same motor as the SD and it was pretty decent, hopefully they smoothed it out a bit for the SD model.
chroniclesofsolid The RS650R I rode was really smooth
just discovered your channel - very cool !!! I'm in Florida, USA !!!
G'day and welcome aboard!
Brilliant! I am a new rider hitting 50- really haven't ridden a bike since my late teens. Anyway I live rural, need a bike that will take the dirt and travel long distances. Perhaps a review of bikes for us rural folks? BMW F800 etc. Thanks mate!
No worries mate will be doing quite a few Adventure Biker reviews this year :-) I have already done a review on my own F700GS (F800GS with cast alloy wheels) It was my first video so bare with me. If you are thinking bigger adventure bike I have also reviewed the Honda CRF1000L Africa Twin, Yamaha Tenere 660 and 1200, Triumph Tiger 800 and KLR650.
Thanks for the input,
COS
great stuff, very knowledgeable and nice presentation. 😁
Cheers David!
Thanks for another excellent review. I am still waiting for a 450 single, road legal. Come on Honda & Yamaha, give the people what they want.
You and me both! Would love to see a WR450R or CRF300L/400L
That Kawasaki looks nice asf
I really hope the T7 happens. What a combo that would be. Yamahas reliable torquey 700 that has already proven itself, if they can keep the weight down and make if comfortable enough for long rides while still keeping it nibble enough for the dirt. ill be the first to put my money down if they can also keep the price under 10k USD
Muy buen video!!!!... Very good video!!!.... Saludos desde Queretaro, México...
Thanks mate!
amigo, this is a very cool video!!! I like it a lot!
Thanks mate.
Big plus for mention the problem of no 300cc in CRFL Rally. Engine already exists in CBR300R. More weight of Rally demands much more power. Without it I wait for KTM move.
Yer if the 390 keeps those power figures and the weight off it will be a great package. I would also love to see Yamaha put the 321cc twin they have in a light weight Tenere style model. That would be a tempting package also!
honda got all wrong again....they made heavy crf250l even heavier :(
soooo true...
That good be helpful if you're dumb like me and going to drive one on the freeway for a long distance. lol.
Mate if you like the sound of some of these new adventure bikes you should try to get a go on a KTM 640. They are old-ish now days buy have everything your looking for, lightweight, powerful, massive fuel capacity, reliable etc...
It really does annoy me with the KTM640, almost a perfect bike for what a lot want, even with its common issues. But then KTM proceeded to move further and further away from ultralight adventure bikes. I guess the 690 made more financial sense, as both dual sporter's and adventure riders would buy it and mod it accordingly, saving them the hassle of extra R&D.
Hoping the 390 might be the 640's spiritual successor.
these bikes are perfect for asian market. versys 250 and crf 250 rally are available and 250 is not objected to luxury taxes here in indonesia.
Yer I think it is great that we are seeing so many options in the small displacement sector :-)
Awesome video. thanks for sharing!!!
Cheers :-)
The engine casing on the "KTM 390 Adventure" is similar to the "KTM 800 Parallel Twin Adventure" spy shots I've seen, probably the 2018 engine series designed for the new Euro emissions standards. That may help explain the large prototype catalytic converter in front of the rear wheel.
That definitely sounds like you are on to something, good eye! Makes more sense then making a completely new engine for one model of bike.
Cheers mate. Test drive video of the Africa Twin.
2016 version th-cam.com/video/ow2drBNpers/w-d-xo.html 2017 pending :-)
Of all of these, only KTM seems to be approaching the mark IMO, although the CRF Rally could eventually be a winner with some weight loss and another few horses. Of course, I'm talking about a "real" adventure bike, not just a street bike with ADV styling cues. The 390 will be worth a ride for sure, if and when it arrives. Nice and light presumably.
+Peter Jowett I am hoping the 390 might be the spiritual successor to the 640 🙃
chroniclesofsolid
Indeed, I think that's what many of us are hoping for. The capability and sheer range of the 640, with modern reliability - and maybe a little bit smoother LOL.
Really enjoyed the video. Thank You!
Thanks mate!
When I was at the AIMO expo talking to KTM they said that somewhere in the first quarter of this year they will be announcing their "africa twin killer" they claimed about the same price, more hp and better everywhere. We shall see.
Lets hope at an a competitive price as well :-)
I enjoyed the video but you missed one. I'd be curious on your take of the Royal Enfield Himalayan due in showrooms this month.
Righto, I will see if I can get a test ride when they arrive hear. I am a bit hesitant as quality control on the RE's has been an issue. Certainly has me curious though :-)
Great video, I only hope these make it to USA, but looking at the specs. I'll stick with my DR 790
Yer most of the bikes with release dates are coming to the USA :-) Big bore on the DR? What is that like?
Runs great, but still happier at 65 than 75
I'm a Yamaha guy but that Kawi 300 def has my interest. Although I plan taking the WR across the Trans America Trail this spring. I haven't found anything that can beat the WR yet.
Doing the TAT should be a great trip!
Yer hard to replace the WR in the current market unless they come out with a unicorn bike, it would need to be pretty special.
Avid Enduro they should make a supermoto with the ninja powerplant
thank you for a very good video. New subscriber.
Welcome aboard :-)
If you want a ugly Bike, 2017 is your Year. Man happend to modern Bike design.
if you also want it to be really heavy for no reason...
carstengerm your motorcycle is ugly!
Very Cool , keep um coming . . .
The 2k17 small caliber light weight four strokes are very refined killers . The big heavy tech monsters are a Joke on wanabes .
If Honda downsized the Africa duel clutch . . . Look out wear your goggles .
Yep its great to see the market shifting to the light weight adv sector.
I've been seeing the KTM 1290 Adventurer offered at an attractive discount for the 2016 model (14,999) in the SF bay area. That's still a lot of money unless one treats it as a car purchase and uses it as such.
thepassionofthegoose I'd never spend more than 4000$ on a bike
The Kawasaki seems like a great bike, With a small engine size you get really cheap carnet and it's very likely that it's also sold in other countries including 3. World countries. It's plenty engine to travel roads of all sorts. Since it's cheap to buy, cheap to run it will free up a shitload of money to travel and see the world.
Me from riding 1200gs, xr450 and many more bikes are trying out a Vespa gts300 because everyone told me that's useless for touring and impossible to use as an adventure bike, I thought hey let me prove that's wrong.
Good on you Brad always got the beat of your own drum! Vespa make some nice stuff. Seen a few go around the world.
I'm surprised the amazing 2017 FE501 Husqvarna did not hit your radar but the Honda did?
The new FE's and EXC's are definitely on the radar, especially the 500's considering their weight reduction and on road manners. But there are two reasons they did not make the list. The first is that to cover the FE501 I would have to cover the FE450 and FE350 as well as the KTM's 500, 450, and 350 EXC. Then my video would be 5 hours long :-P Secondly I personally class the FE and EXC's as enduro bikes so that also excluded them from the list.
COS
At 10:56 you mention cornering ABS on the V-Strom 650. I don't think you get the cornering ABS unless you go up to the 2018 V-Strom 1000.
Bugger! You are correct sir. Thanks for pointing that out!
CCM are replacing the current gp450 with a gp600 with six speed box and approx 125 kg dry.
Yes I just heard the news thanks for letting me know. I will be sure to cover it in the next adv news vid :-)
Here is a small article I saw on it.
www.advpulse.com/adv-bikes/ccm-gp600-to-replace-gp450/
Thanks mate
the kawasaki and bmw might be good sellers, they should have a fair amount of power and a little bit of weight might not be a bad thing in some circumstances but as long they keep low seat height it will be good, low seat sells. shame tough that bmw didn't but spoke wheels, or a nice small boxer engine.
Yer maybe with strong sales BMW will consider a more off road version of the 310GS maybe 310GSA with bigger tank and spoke wheels?
BETA 500 RS, can't go wrong
Can you narrow down the top best expedition bikes for 2017?
Any changes to the Honda Africa Twin 1000 for 2017?
Nothing has been officially confirmed by Honda but Viserdown is reporting that it will get redesigned spoke wheels, cosmetic changes including new colours, and possibly cruise control as standard www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/honda-africa-twin-being-updated-201 7
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Broken link try this www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/honda-africa-twin-being-updated-2017
That one opened. Thanks.
The Honda dealers in western Canada ran out of Twins because of the earthquake.
They are really scarce.
I'm sure I will get to see one at the Vancouver motorcycle show January 21.
The stuff in India may be worth a look ? Seen some promising numbers . Thanks all
one question how much does it effect the handling of a bike if you lower the suspension? I'm thinking oh the susuki vstrom
Do you guys down under have Benneli on the market? There will be an interesting model, the TRK 502...
Yes we do and thanks for putting the 502 on my radar :-)
Nice to watch cool
Thanks!
My Pleasure belive me ,,,,,,,,,
do you get ccm's in Oz, there 450cc single
Yes we do, all three versions of the 450.
I like the look of the Honda Rally but it seems like there's nothing in the 350 - 400cc range?? And when will Suzuki update the DRZ400S ?
Yer there is a real hole in the market for 300-500cc dual sports. I wouldn't hold your breath on a DRZ update.
Martoni727 the emissions regulations are holding the manufacturers back. they can keep building old models with the past regulations. any new models have to be designed with the new regukations which id difficult to achieve with single cylinders nowadays.
thank you bro
:-)
All bikes look super uncomfortable. Except the vstrom that is. Especially riding two up.
if you get the chance would you test the new 2017 crf250l rally?
Most certainly will when It arrives in March :-)
No mentions of SWM Super Dual and AJP PR7.
I did consider it along with the CCM450 but ultimately went with covering the main stream market where most interest lies. Perhaps I can do a hardcore enthusiast version with these bikes.
COS
True, for EU all of those bike still don't have ABS so there won't be sold.
I asked CCM about ABS. They do not plan ABS in 2017.
Yer so far AU is only getting 15 units of the PR7 so I probably wont get a test ride any time soon :-(
How about the 2017 Africa Twin?
Nothing has been officially confirmed by Honda but Viserdown is reporting that it will get redesigned spoke wheels, cosmetic changes including new colours, and possibly cruise control as standard www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/honda-africa-twin-being-updated-2017
157kg seems awfully heavy for a 250cc bike considering the 450cc bikes are 125-135kg. the crf450 needs this adventure model
450 model would be very nice indeed!
if you have deep pockets yes their great bike s but remember if your traveling to places you dont know id rather have a older bike less attractive to be robbed on
You forgot Benelli TRK502:)
I did indeed thanks for the reminder.
Any ideas for the ktm 1090r Aussie release date?
There is no official date yet. But KTM are saying it should hit our shores around May www.mcnews.com.au/ktm-1090-adventure-r/
Are these coming to United States?
The ones that have been officially announced are.
Take the Honda CRF 250 L Rally through its paces outside of the city. They are not yet available here in the USA, but I believe they will be in Europe in bigger numbers and way before they reach the States. Dual Sport bikes are not that popular here, so getting your hands on one for a test ride is not always easy.
The 250 Rally should be here in a few weeks (Western Australia). Only down side is I will not be getting an extended test ride, so likely no dirt testing :-(
Pity, yes. I think you will still be reasonably impressed with this baby dual sport. The pricing is an outrage though. You can get a CRF 650 L for the same amount of money, however the restricted autonomy contradicts its philosophy of free rider. True that your GPS tells you where the closest gas station is, but when I am in the Big Ben Park in Texas, I do not want my course to be correlating on gas stations.
Benelli 502 trk?
whats the intro song
what do you think abouth the honda xr250l tornado??? i know its not as good as that ones you show!
We do not get the Tornado in Australia so unfortunately I cannot give you any insight :-( advrider.com/index.php?threads/honda-tornado-xr250-thread.863703/
chroniclesofsolid thaks for answer!!
thaks for the link as well
No worries :-)
Jesus Christ those v stroms fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. They look like a deformed penguin
how about um reged commondo
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So other than the ktm it looks like another round of underpowered and overweight clunkers designed to sell to beginners who don't know any better.
AdamBatchelder beginners buy new bikes! Veteran riders know better and buy used!
Give me a motorcycle lighter and more powerful than any dual sport 250 that is within 80% of its efficiency and ease of use
yamaha t7 come on proper job
I wish yamaha would bring the tenere xt660z to the USA #yamaha
Won't happen. I would hedge your bets on the upcoming XT700Z :-)
As a yank do the stats in metric and standard measurements 🤠
I have no idea why my post came up so many times , Sorry
+Ruth Squillace No worries youtube does it all the time 👍
I'll bet my ass that the Kawasaki doesn't come with those spoked wheels.
Casper DeVanche
Well, judging from the two versions just released in my country, both the City and the Touring editions come with spoked wheels.
So what's up with BMW and all the stupid looking bird beaks? Every time I see one I just want to take a saw to it! :/
Haha the design must be a real saw point for you :-P
+chroniclesofsolid LoL! :)
+chroniclesofsolid LoL! :)
+chroniclesofsolid LoL! :)
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Suzuki has succeeded in making the newest Vstroms prohibitively ugly. Stupid color schemes and hideous beaks. Glad I own a 2013 "standard" white DL 650....the "prettiest" Vstrom.
I thought the same exact thing. I too own a 2013 DL 650 in white and it's not the best looking bike but at least I don't have to look at it while riding it. But the way Suzuki "uglied up" the new V Strom's would have me looking elsewhere if I were in the market for a new bike.
The ktm looks awful