* Those words ring in your head like wildfire * "There's never been any escaping it. That Castle may as well be a coffin because you're already dead" * "Ha ha! You hear that??? YOU'RE DEAD! HA HA HA!!!" * ... * Wasn't that enough reason to justify all? |------------------------------------------| | Clover LV 20 9999:99 | | The Surface | | * Continue * Reset | |------------------------------------------|
*X years ago, a human with a yellow SOUL fell to the underground.* *Unlike those who came before them, this human went there intentionally, seeking vengeance for their predecessors.* *Overnight, dozens of monsters perished, including the beloved King ASGORE, and the five souls he collected were stolen.* *Hearing of her husband's death, the Queen returned from exile and instated a new policy: All humans who arrive from now on will be treated not as enemies, but as friends.* *Not a day later, she was killed by her own furious subjects, and the former Captain of the Royal Guard became the new Queen.* *She, too, had a new policy: Once the next human arrives, she will take their SOUL without delay and go to the SURFACE herself to collect the rest.* *And now, finally, that last human has arrived, and the hope of monsterkind was rekindled.* *But they are soon to find out that not only is this human far stronger than even its predecessor, they have a guardian angel...* *Or perhaps more accurately, a guardian demon.*
@@edmyraurummancenido4406 Yeah, pretty much the same gist of what I said, Frisk being anywhere between affectionate to uncomfortably affectionate while Chara uses intelligent speech.
Regret hits after the realisation of his sins... will he be able to come back to the humans after what he has caused? He's lost between guilt and pride...
Not really, aftter all its still the only ending where Clover gets to leave the underground. There isn't muchthey can regret doing in this situation, especially knowing that they're being really racist in this route lol
After this, Clover disappeared into the woods and isolated himself from society. Some say he lives now in a cabin in the middle of the forests of Ebbot. Years later, Clover is an broken man, often talking to himself and forest animals. One specifically being his pet blue bird he calls "Mart". Despite it all, he is still contacted by family, often taking care of his niece, who always enjoys her uncle company and the stories he tells about the mountain. Her name? Aliza.
Even years later, Clover still can control their self. Clover could had easily went down to the underground and killed the rest of the monsters, but yet chooses a peaceful life with their niece. They didn't want violence anymore. Violence corrupted them so much as they became cold, emotionless and broken. But yet when it comes to their niece... Clover tries to act positive around her. Only wanting to protect her childhood and to protecting her from violence. Clover with LV 20 and their super laser blast, can easily protect their family from any danger. " * EVEN IF YOU KILL ME, I KNOW HOW THIS ENDS. * THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY ESCAPING IT. * THAT CASTLE MAY AS WELL BE A COFFIN BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY DEAD. * HA HA! YOU HEAR THAT??? * YOU"RE DEAD! * HA HA HA! * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!" Does Clover still think about that day? The day where they escaped the time loop? Are they still traumatized about what Flowey said? Was there really a time where Clover befriend the monsters and give up their SOUL for them? At this point, Clover only cares about their family and no one else. Their niece is more important then monsters.
* I did it. * I accomplished my goal. * I saved the humans... * I eradicated the enemy... * ...so why do I feel... * ... * I should be proud of myself. * I am a hero. * They... they _killed_ those humans. * They _deserved_ it. * ...why can't I accept it? * I thought I did. * The moment I entered this hellish place... * I knew my goal. * ... I didn't think it'd go this far. * But now we're here. * I'm stronger than ever. * Yet this strength... it feels weird. * I don't think I can ever be myself again. * Not after all the things I did... * I had to betray my morals to achive my goal. * To get strong enough so I could... * ...is this really justice...? * It's too late to think about this. * They're gone. * _I'm_ gone. * The only thing that remains is... * *A world devoid of justice.*
You won, but, you can feel it. You’re no longer filled with a sense of Justice. You felt it as you went, subtly, but you figured it was just fatigue. Now, however, resting upon this mountain top, you reflect on _all_ your actions. On Dalv, on Martlet, on Starlo. Did they really deserve this? Was that Justice? You realize, that, in your anger, your righteous fury became a dark rage, destroying without heed or mercy. You feel your sins upon your back, they remind you that you can never truly take back your actions, truly undo what you’ve done. Weighing heavy, your sins fill you with a sense of despair and remorse. You sacrificed JUSTICE… for VENGEANCE. And now, all that is left is dust and regret. Was it worth it?
The kindness soul is in quiet it has a strong sense of justice and patience and what you did has none of those. You never thought patiently to do what’s right But they still forgive you
While the Vengeance route is a tad more morally grey than the Genocide route of the main game it still leaves you with a very hollow, empty feeling after completion...and for good reason. Sure, Clover survived and completed their mission...but in doing so, they ended the lives of dozens of monsters who had nothing to do with their crusade. All the folks who would've been their friends on other routes are dead (plus, Kanako has now been made an orphan) This coupled with the death of the King, and the disappearance of the Souls, means the Underground will likely be thrown into a time of chaos and despair not seen since the death of the Dreemurr Siblings. Heck, even the return of the Queen might only throw fuel into the fire as I can imagine not many people would be happy to see her back after she fled her responsibilities and went off the radar for years, if not decades. And honestly? I can't say I fully blame them for resenting her. One of the pillars of your community, meant to keep hope alive in your darkest hour, disappears for ages and she chooses NOW of all times to return, after the deaths of so many of your people, the loss of the King AND the Souls? And she has the nerve to expect you to follow whatever new decrees she lays down? Yeah, there's gonna be folks to oppose her return, for sure. Best-case scenario I can see is the Underground getting sharply divided between folks who are pro-human and those who are anti-human. And as for Clover here? I can imagine they're contemplating everything they just went through and wondering if it was actually worth it... (spoiler alert: It wasn't)
who the hell would be pro-human in this scenario? some random kid with a pistol had just brutalized their people, vaporized their king and stole all their "progress and hopes". The Underground would probably turn into an anarchist wasteland after everything, like in one of the original UT neutral endings where you kill everyone but Toriel.
i like to think post-genocide route the souls and clover just go get therapy for what they had to go through and what they did to those monsters like imagine the trauma of dying in a foreign place, being rescued against all odds, and then being traumatized even more when you peek into your savior's mind and see all the horrible stuff they did to save you
I think the SOULs would just eventually dissipate after leaving the barrier. Geno Clover doesn't strike me as the kind of person who'd get therapy, if they could even get it (they're a child vaguely alluded to have an abusive home life). I think they'd either keep seeking "justice" on the surface until it got them killed, or decide what they did in the Underground didn't solve anything, and that the only just thing to do was to RESET.
I can imagine that if they’re able to get the Souls bodies before they disappear. Maybe it leads Clover to regret their actions more when they can’t find vessels, when their motive for all that death still fades into the ether…
@@Colddirector i think the implication is that they reset uty's alternate endings that deviate from clover's canon fate are made in a way that they could be considered canon to uty (flowey resets in the neutral route and clover resets in the genocide route)
@@FE_StudiosJust a thing, uty cannot be canon in any way. First of all, there is a LOT of inconsistency in the lore of uty that contradict the original game, like the existence of Shujin, or most importantly the fact that clover don't have a control of the save over floway, while it's LITTERALY CANON that EVERY HUMAIN without exception are able to save. So just by that, that cannot be canon.
I believe that clover would just return to the other humans with the 5 souls Since Clover killed everyone in the underground he won’t be messed around anymore in his home town anymore He done his job very well The other humans might agree and some won’t But at the end he’s still alive and healthy Vengeance has been done and there’s no returning back Now i can rest easy knowing the human souls are back -Clover
@@AzwowClover did not care about them having family. And remember that some of the monsters are hiding from clover during the genocide route, After Clover left the underground with the 5 souls The remaining of the monster have to pick a new King or queen to rule the underground or just give up hope
*And that was that. *I felt the light hit my skin. The cold air of the mountaintops *The sheer weight of what I had done. *I had rescued them. I was a hero. *...but then I thought back to a friend. *A wise friend in my hometown. *"Justice is blind, Clover. Not heartless. Don't you EVER forget that." *I told him I wouldn't ever forget. *I guess... I lied. *Who am I?
I doubt Clover would go to the surface and just be happy. When you seek the skewed justice that they did, it doesn't stop. If what the monsters did was unjust, imagine how Clover would view human society.
@@fernoagent8581 I think their SOUL attack wouldn't be nearly as effective against humans, because they're not made of magic and they're not as affected by the murderous intent of others.
@@Azwow If he didn't, they would have. If it took such sacrifices to keep Clover alive, then the world was never a justice place. After all, no one had to die....
Fun fact, the genocide route is probably canon, following by Clover doing a true reset out of guilt. Because in the Omega Flowey fight, Flowey has access to all of the save files of the fallen humans.... Implying that Clover had control over the timeline at one point. And the only moment they had control over it.. is during a genocide run
i think clover not having control over their own save file is just a plot hole of undertale yellow, because its implied by the omega flowey fight that each soul has its own save file, and i dont think that every single fallen human did a genocide run just to get the ability to save, i think thats just something a human soul can do.
Every ending is simultaneously canon, as the player inevitably completes each of them before resetting. The only question is the order and the end, which ending cannot be taken back is the canon one.
@@TheDestroyer55e Yes.... But not Look at it like that, everyone can have their own save file, that looks great with our leads and flowey The joke of because in undertale we have absolute control of our save file is that our will, our DETERMINATION is much greater than flowey Everyone is able to manage to have control of their save file if they manage to overcome user's will with greater source of determination of the place
Clover has determination, just like any human, meaning if there wasnt another being taking precedence, they'd be able to freely manipulate the timeline. Flowey was just stronger somehow, but if you glom them together into a collective, whether one is stronger or weaker become irrelevant because it's all the same being.
Also the humans having a save file is canon , flowey meeting clover can't be canon at all! Even if we go by your humans save files thingy, flowey is the second last save file from the order
Well if you know about one theory, there’s a chance that Clover gets to go home in True Pacifist, just after the Asriel fight, after experiencing a 1 year coma
* The edge of the Mountain looms over you. * You won... and yet... Why am I still here? * I should be giving them to. . . Who are their families? * . . . Why won't they talk to me? . . . I did the Right thing... Right? This is. . . Justice. * . . . . . . . But nothing came of it.
Терпение принимает то как он был терпелив и не спешил во время своего пути Храбрость хвалит его за его храбрость , за то что он не побоялся спускаться и спасать их Порядочность гордится им за то что он навёл порядок в подземелье и закончил её дело Настойчивость одобряет то что он весь свой путь стоял на своём Доброта не понимает его жестокость и суждения
If this is the only way to survive...so I won't reset. I think Clover doesn't feel anything anymore...no guilt, no pride...but even so, I think there is no need to reset. We need to stay and take the souls to their relatives. We have to be strong. I'm sorry, Clover...
* You did it, justice was finally served... * But... was it really worth it?... * Have you truly done the right thing...? * Perphaps there could've been another way... * What if you had listened to them? tried to understand them? * Could this tale have had a happier ending? you wonder... * But... it's too late to go back now... after all... * *You've* *made* *your* *choice* *long* *ago...*
The feeling of "Mission Accomplished" is not always satisfactory, but we have to ask those who completed the mission to find out if the opinion is similar or not.
Clover delivers some kind of justice in every route, but he has never seen it himself. Think about it. In the neutral, he kills some monsters who attacked him, so it's self defence. In the end, he isn't completely good so he doesn't deserve freedom, but he is not evil, so he doesn't deserve to die either. So staying in the underground is the neutral option that is just to him. However flowey kills martlet and resets, so clover gets literally nothing. In the pacifist route, clover sacrifices himself to give freedom to the monsterkind. He is a hero that did not only deserved to live, but to see freedom he gave to monsters. But he is dead, and didn't get his just ending here either. In flawed pacifist, clover wasn't only defending himself, but others as well (who knows what ceroba would do to get to the lab), so he deserved forgiveness for his decision, but he doesn't get it. In genocide, clover destroys the entire lower level of underground, killing hundreds of innocent monsters just to get power and then kills asgore, completely destroying hopes and dreams of monsterkind. He doesn't deserve freedom, he doesn't deserve to live, his death would be the most just thing here. But now he gets everything: life, freedom, 5 human SOULs, and asgore's SOUL on the top. Literally every ending of undertale yellow in unjust to clover. Ironically, he is giving everyone the justice he has never seen himself
for me the path of Vengeance is my favorite, because it is true justice and Clover remains true to his ideals, saves people's souls, and still survives himself! The happiest ending. I'm serious. The only path where Clover does not forget about the purpose of his journey and where his soul of justice is ..... justified.
As wrong as it is i must agree he fufills his mission and lives he saved the kids but its not justice its a deranged kid with an arm attacking anyone he saw there are only a few instances he let people go but that was when they ran its not justice i cant even tell if it should be called vengance but In this one Clover lives and since he absorbed asgores soul I bet he'll have a very intersting life i just wonder when he'll let the others go No matter he survived to say was it worth it yes yes it was was it right no but he survived hes going to get to grow up see his family again and he might even finish the job he started by wiping out the monsters hes probably even going to live longer asgore was immortal id say another 50 years is well worth it maybe even fully getting immortality by taking toriels
@@TrueKin01 Listen I aint sayin it right but it is the literally the only situation the kid lives frankly its worth it to him there are benefits clover is stronger than ever he won and he literally has power over time itself which is not something to scoff at if you notice there are some parts which geno clover actually interacts with a save point without flowey and you have flowey who in all truth was a main cause cause if he neer interacted with clover he would have lived till adult hood with toriel shoot the kid for all we know is immortal having asgores soul cause if it means asgore never ages the kid might just hit 26 then stay that for the rest of time if he has no kids worst case lives to 200 still good his HP high took my body is a weapon to seriously literally smashing his soul throw what sounded like glass and hes gonna grow up he wont receive one consequence for this by the JUSTICE system i doubt that people really know much of the monsters his parents will probably just freak out about him having a gun take it then that will be that he probably has magic now cause humans can do it its how the barrier was made so how far is it to say the humans took a few boss monster souls during the war either way this is a VICTORY for clover And yeah its messed up completely heinous what he did but hey he lived shoot hes basically a demi god now its the only outcome where he doesnt die literally if he just stops at axis he still dies so it was necessary for survival YESS now for the monsters feel bad for them i mean like they didnt deserve it none of them deserved what clover did to them like he probably hiped out at least like a tenth of the monsters left on earth in a day so yeahh horrible but this if we want to think about this lore wise this is literally after dying thousands of times being brought back flowey expireminting with his pet to see what makes them go farther the kid becomes deranged literally drawing on anything that moves unless he needed it which the second he started to load against flowey he won in a bit shoot flowey tried escaping clover in one load but being brought back he actually did get asgore like he is his prisoner inside him now thats nuts but yeah this probably took place over the equivalent of a thousand lifetimes till the kid was drawn to madness lore wise game wise its us then clover draws on axis martlet and asgore That last is true about it being worth living he was doomed from the second he feel in cause flowey would probably never let him go if he did living with martlet is the best choice but he can't flowey is determined impatient which is why he lashes out in neutral shoot flowey tells clover how much he loved watching clover dies he's done it for so long that you know he isnt lying he isnt he loved watching him suffer it was basically the only thing he could say to clover but you know it was true cause flowey was determined in all truth it was the only way clover would had lived was if he hadnt tampered with him. And Toriels a great monster yeah but so was martlet and he drew on sight realistically the kids deranged now but he is alive he can heal from what happened some horrible mental stuff but he is ALIVE he gets to see his MOM he gets to see his DAD he gets to grow up play with friends shoot guy might go into the military and yes he probably will try to wipe out the monsters by now the kid might not even regret it i bet he feels empty but is probably accomplished
Later. The people of snowdin were left terrified The ruins and the wild east was dusty and quiet. The steamworks became a lifeless wasteland. Monsterkind felt hopeless losing the souls and their king. Undyne took control over the underground and swore vengence on the hatted human. Martlet was remembered as a hero for dying in battle.
And one day, a new human falls. Toriel, unaware of all that has happened, warns the child of Asgore and the dangers of the Underground, teaches them mercy, and tells them to show kindness. But, in this new Underground, there is no mercy, no kindness, no hopes or dreams or love. Only… VENGEANCE.
@@Torchic454 but for what goals? Clover "saved" the human souls from being stuck there but without a body or their jar? They wouldn't make it off the mountain before they shattered.
In the aftermath of the vengeance ending Toriel would try to take over and be overthrown by Undyne, establishing a totalitarian regime. She’d likely promote one of the dogs to head of the Royal Guard and Martlet would likely be revered as a hero and used for a lot of propaganda. With a sizable chunk of the Underground dead, Undyne would need to figure out how to get the economy back on track and also how to be a good leader. She’d likely recruit Alphys as some sort of Royal advisor or something which… I don’t see going well. Alphys would fold like a wet noodle any time Undyne would push back on any of her suggestions. By the time Frisk falls, the Underground will likely be struggling economically but still be very vehemently anti human. It won’t be quite as bad as Horrortale since Clover never decimated areas like CORE or Hotland. Undyne might find out about the Amalgamates which would lead to a very interesting confrontation. Mettaton’s TV shows would likely be at least partially rebranded into propaganda. Papyrus might finally be allowed to join the Royal Guard since Undyne would have likely gone at least a little off the deep end (and the Royal Guard needs more power. With Martlet dead and Undyne as Queen, the strongest known members of the guard are RG01 and RG02). Undyne would need his strength. Sans likely remains apathetic But maybe joins the Royal guard or remains a Century to just to protect his brother. Frisk should still be able to Save and Load but they’ll almost certainly have to kill a lot of monsters their first go around. Toriel would be very clingy and even harder to get past than normal, and the monsters would all try very hard to kill Frisk. Hell, maybe Frisk would just stay with Toriel. Then Frisk falls and Toriel is desperate to keep them with her to prevent both her being ridiculed more and another possible mass murderer to get out there but mainly to keep them safe from the revenge hungry Undyne who wants just one soul for now to go to the surface and kill Clover the “The dusty devil” as revenge(But also, you know Six go another six souls from the surface to break the barrier) Assuming they push forward, Snowdin would likely be harder than normal with more aggressive monsters. Waterfall might actually be easier because even though monsters would be more aggressive, Undyne would be in the castle. Of course there’s also the possibility of Undyne just leaving the castle and hunting you down as soon as she learns about you. I'd imagine that sans wouldn't make his promise or maybe he would considering that no one he knew actually died, and papyrus might end up as part of the royal guard (Due to both undyne and Martlets positions being open). Undyne might not have time to get to know papyrus as well due to being queen? I'd imagine some of Chujin's ideas would be checked out too, so new models of axis(or Axis inspired drones) and maybe some investigation into the boss monster serum? The feisty four are alive, and might play a role in the story, potentially as a waterfall boss? A pacifist run would be… really difficult and probably entail Frisk living as a peaceful fugitive in the Underground for years while winning over a few friends before the monsters overall come to terms with the fact that Frisk isn’t as bad as Clover. Ironically Frisk would probably have to live in the areas Clover wiped out since that’s where there wouldn’t be any monsters to threaten them. But eventually I’m sure Frisk could make peace. With no other Souls though… Frisk probably just lives in the Underground until they die of old age and give up their Soul to Undyne to be used to break the barrier. And who knows what happens from there? As a side note, if Chara ever wakes up or if Frisk does Genocide, Chara will be fucking *furious* to learn some human killed their best friend and adoptive father and seemingly confirmed all of their suspicions of humanity . Geno Frisk in this timeline would tear the Underground to shreds even more aggressively than normal (since there’s a much stronger self defense argument due to the increased anti-human sentiment) and potentially hold off on wiping out humanity until they get the pleasure of killing Clover with their own hands. And since it took Clover until LV 20 to match a LV1 Frisk’s Determination? there is some question of whether or not it would even be an even fight but on the other hand in the genocide route even if Frisk/Chara did managed to find Clover (which I heavily doubt they will be able to) several years has passed since UTY and I sure clover has grown even stronger during those times combined with the fact that frisk & chara tried to destroyed humanity no doubt Clover would get incredible furious he would gained LV rapidly (the semi- watcher @manufacturedfromabove79 TH-cam channel) but would that be enough I don’t know considering by LV 20 frisk can literally destroy the world I honestly feel bad for what Chara and Frisk could potentially put but not definitely but Clover through before they finally destroy the world clover could still have a chance if fast to the draw, I guess with gun and assuming that frisk cannot save and load on the surface. in contrast to this It really does make Clover’s character more compelling, and it makes Pacifist ending so much more bittersweet, knowing that despite all the horrifying things Clover has been through, clover still chose to be kind, befriend monsters along the way and ultimately give up life for the future of monsterkind. m.th-cam.com/video/woGZRvYFA2g/w-d-xo.html on a lighter note Undertale Yellow taught me: - It's not about the destination, but the friends you make along the way - Bring a kid to an Underground Casino is always morally correct -The Mo theme (I bought everything this guy sold me in neutral, genocide, and pacifist skilled in the arts of trade is an understatement)
my theory is that undergrounnd and the surface are 2 diferent worlds that is why chara did not countine to the surface because that would have been the final mission of halo
For me personaly: In UTY there isn't the good or bad ending. You choose if the ending you got was the one you feel comfortable with cuz. In one ending you are at the complete favor of Monsterkind, while on the other you are at the favor of your own. Humans and Monsters aren't that different after all if you see it deeply
@@misterboxhead3045 I'm 90% sure that monsters would do the same if they reached the surface by killing Frisk instead of doing the whole pacifist stuff
patience soul: patient clover it will all be revealed in time Time to get our souls back to our home so we can explain what happened bravery soul:🧡 integrity soul:💙 Perseverance soul:💜 kindness soul:💚
@sussdood The player doesn't really play that big of a role in UTY. You could even say they play none at all. All the actions you can choose to do, all the paths you can take, all are Clover's.
Poor Clover, imagine the state of his mind after all that torture Flowey received, for the others it was just a day, for him, he lived years of hell down there, over and over again.
As a person who cheered as Clover killed Asgore and reclaimed the fallen souls, I absolutely feel justice has been served. My goodness, what a satisfying ending. I loved Undertale Yellow’s genocide route from start to finish.
Clover sits and stares at the skyscrapers in the distance. He knows he has completed his mission…..but…….was it TRUE justice…? He knows that most of the monsters he encountered had no part in the death of the 5 humans before him……Clover is stuck with the question……”was it justice or vengeance…?”
As the first birthday of undertale yellow approaches I revisited this video. It made me think of the burden Clover probably goes through after the genocide ending. The soul of a king hopeful for his people still part of them, always remembering of their violent retribution on monsterkind, unjustly imprisoned and in the end slaughtered, the remaining monsters devoid of hope, devoid of a king, devoid of a future for wanting freedom. The weight of consequence weighing on Clover's mind, was any of this needed? Was it justice? Or just self righteous judgment? This is the theme of consequence, of judgment as flowey says, yellow isn't the color of justice but of judgment. Such is how it can drive a child into madness. To everyone who contributed into developing this fangame I owe a thanks. Goodnight.
With Asgore dead. a chunk of the underground (steamworks and desert monsters) also dead. That means Toriel would became queen just for her to be rebelled against by Undyne, thus getting the Undyne queen ending much early compare to canon Neutral route Undertale. This Timeline's Frisk would have much tougher time once they're out of the ruins.
@@Azwowhonestly I think it Frisk would never fall down. Undertale is implied to to take place in semi moderns times(2100s). (Not to mention we can see skyscrapers in the distance) so after clover explains everything, the mountain would probably be closed to the public and be researched and possibly military occupied, since there’s a literally whole race down there
imagine a timeline where clover never makes a new save and after living a long life decides to reload the save knowing that its time the monster become free
The kindness soul would lose faith in you what kind of about killing The braveness soul would lose faith What’s brave about attacking people at their lowest? The perseverance soul lost faith Is there any perseverance to give you second thought of what you doing? The Integrity soul it knows they did something bad, but is there any integrity in your justice? And the patient soul lost the most amount of faith. That you judge without patience.
Ngl it be It's interesting to see how the after ending of clover taken up the souls or like a cutscene of how the humans look of all the dust clover got
Damn, just realized - does the "World devoid of justice" refer to the world outside of Mt. Ebott? If so, considering that Clover becomes obsessed with dishing out violent justice by the end of the route, and now has Asgore's soul... the implications are nothing good
Until you realize that Clover cannot dodge all the bullets he/she will get shot at since they are real physical bullets not magical ones. Any human with a firearm and a good enough aim would obliterate Clover.
The humans sealed away the monsters after the war, because justice forbade them to eradicate the enemy. But when the children fell... Who was it that spilled first blood..? The monsters.
But chara... the first child that fell, the monsters adopted them. And then asriel tried fulfilling chara's last wish after they got sick by putting their corpse on the golden flowers in the middle of the human's village. But the humans attack asriel and he died when he came back to the underground... Humans also spilled first blood.
@@FuntimeByzantium They had their reasons. What Clover did was in some way justice, But they can't help but feel that there's was a better way than spilling more blood...
Ты выбрался из подземелья, души освобождены Ты свободен и можно просто пойти домой. Королевство монстров разрушена... Но... Ты помнишь то что видел в её воспоминаниях "А даже если и столкнусь, я же со всеми хорошо лажу." "Не могут же ВСЕ люди быть плохими... Верно же?" "Чего ты хочешь добиться? Ты пытаешься найти причину ненавидеть меня? Странно... Ведь причина убивать других тебе не была нужна..." А ведь... Правда... Что она тебе сделала? Всё что она делала это лишь преграждала путь, не она первая напала а ТЫ первый напал. Когда она второй раз преграждала путь она лишь хотела убедить тебя в обратном а ты угрожал ей пистолетом, она даже не сопротивлялась. А когда в третий раз встретились ТЫ первый начал битву... Ты вспоминаешь врага который танцевал... Он извинялся за то что он вредил тебе вред а ты его убил... Ты убил монстра ковбоя у которого были лишь резиновые патроны и не настоящий пистолет а ты его всё равно убил не смотря на то что этот монстр не хотел тебя убивать... ...Действительно ли ты справедлив...?
* Ответ очевиден... *КОНЕЧНО!* * Слава великому и могучему *ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСКОМУ ВИДУ!* * *Справедливость восторжествовала и её триумф закончится ещё не скоро!* * Ты вспоминаешь, как эти кровожадные твари безжалостно убивали ни в чём невиновных детей! * Ты вспоминаешь, как ты одолел робота, которого они сделали СПЕЦИАЛЬНО для убийства неповинных детей! * Но теперь, они все ощутили какого это, они наконец познали истинную *С П Р А В Е Д Л И В О С Т Ь .*
you did it, you served JUSTICE... atleast that's what you thought, is this justice? or just revenge? a twisted one to be exact your SOUL is darkening, you've lost your sense of JUSTICE
What kind of exaction?) You came to investigate disappearing people, on your way almost every monster tries to kill you, so you fight back. Marlet didn't attacked you first, just blocking the way, so you spared her! Even two times! And then you learned that monsters actually killing people and stealing their souls. You revenged their deaths and saved their souls. You god dаmn hero, and there's no little bit to be sad about.
@Azwow nah, he destroyed all the aggressive monsters and won the war before it even starts. Also, this route isn't about greed for power. Clover get stronger when learned about "neutralising human". It's about revenge.
@@Kostr184but are monsters really attacking you? I mean, most of them don't act aggressively at all, we don't know if they really are attacking you Also in geno you are forcing the encounters so no self defense
@@user-vp9ry3km2c at least not in every case. El Bailador for example mentions that he never realized that you were getting hurt. And the dialogue of the rest of the normal monsters makes me think that they also don't. Most of them don't even realize that you are a human
the resets only work underground, plus the moment he goes to the surface he only has a gun with whatever ammo he uses and no real way to use his soul magic
my personal head cannon is Clover did genocide first out of anger but after he left his regret stayed with him eventually he dies of old age just to feel something in the distance...his save he made in the ruins he realizes he can fix his mistakes and do true justice and reloads his save back in the ruins like nothing happened he then does true pacifist and as he's dying he feels the sins that were crawling on his back for all those years finally fade away
it's moreso the "Honest Day's Work" but reversed and sped up version of Justice, as even speeding it up to 2x it sounds distorted in almost the same exact way in that version
its been years since you left the underground you're in your 70s now and have a heart condition... but your last game save was in the ruins you have had years to think about your actions you have decided its time to reload your save becoming a kid again will be jarring but its time you make up for your sins against monster kind...maybe this new timeline will end up better once the final human falls...you can only hope.. you got to live your life on the surface its time they get to live theirs
...was it worth it? the dept has been paid but... why do I feel like I was wrong...why do I hear the screams of them every time I close my eyes... was it justified?
Not related to the video but sometimes I wonder, how would Clover feel adjourned if his last target was undyne? The head of the royal guard seeking justice for monsterkind as her main theme ("spear of justice") suggests. Limitless possiblities, I imagine, it is but a silly idea after all, justice was done, it's all that matters
As much as i love the UTY NPCs, If this is the only route that Clover can stay alive, then let it be done (sorry I love Clover too much and seeing the end of the pacifist route wasn't healthy)
The crazy thing is that Clover would be super strong after this ending. And not for the reason most would think, as LV and stuff wouldn't work on regular humans. HOWEVER, Geno Clover would have absorbed Asgore's soul to leave the underground, meaning that Clover at least got a TANGIBLE boost in power. How that manifests is unknown, official Undertale doesn't go into it. For all we know, Clover can use magic like a monster now, or maybe he has the physical strength of Asgore. If a monster absorbing a human soul makes them almost double as strong as normal, (or at least strong enough that ancient humans were scared enough to consider monster genocide and/or imprisonment) imagine what the inverse could do.
There is no piece of any lore from Undertale which specifically states that LV only works on monsters, you are just coming up with fanon stuff that are not confirmed by the game at all. Secondly, we never saw a human vs human battle in both Undertale and Deltarune, so this means that there is no definite evidence to prove or deny that LV works in human vs human battles.
@@el_gatoNegro simply put, humans don't attack the soul, meaning we don't deal with human LV, and we don't bother with soul HP. We just physically attack eachother. Unlike monsters, we have a physical form, that can be damaged, and that physical form can be our demise, soul strength be damned. I don't think getting stabbed in the heart isn't gonna matter no matter what level you are, for humans anyway. Otherwise in toby's world, serial killers and murderers would be unstoppable on the surface and at some point a really smart murderer could probably overthrow a government alone. A child could do it in the underground, imagine a full grown adult with more deadly weaponry? The surface would basically just be an anarchy state with the strongest murderers in charge, which it obviously is not.
![END OF THE LINE_ - Undertale YELLOW [COVER] - breaded](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/rQeAOrVRr54/mqdefault.jpg)
"Clover! What on earth were you doing away from home?"
"I had to kill an entire species."
"I was doing a justice delivery"
@@Azwow"I almost died but I started blasting"
"KARMA surely will get you someday." -???
* Those words ring in your head like wildfire
* "There's never been any escaping it. That Castle may as well be a coffin because you're already dead"
* "Ha ha! You hear that??? YOU'RE DEAD! HA HA HA!!!"
* ...
* Wasn't that enough reason to justify all?
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| Clover LV 20 9999:99 |
| The Surface |
| * Continue * Reset |
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(Perhaps... You judged them too harshly...)
@@Azwow then you realized jerry still exists
Undertale Wildfire reference?
@@maila319 What is that?
@@thebrazilianguy0 Orange soul fangame I think. You can just look it up.
*X years ago, a human with a yellow SOUL fell to the underground.*
*Unlike those who came before them, this human went there intentionally, seeking vengeance for their predecessors.*
*Overnight, dozens of monsters perished, including the beloved King ASGORE, and the five souls he collected were stolen.*
*Hearing of her husband's death, the Queen returned from exile and instated a new policy: All humans who arrive from now on will be treated not as enemies, but as friends.*
*Not a day later, she was killed by her own furious subjects, and the former Captain of the Royal Guard became the new Queen.*
*She, too, had a new policy: Once the next human arrives, she will take their SOUL without delay and go to the SURFACE herself to collect the rest.*
*And now, finally, that last human has arrived, and the hope of monsterkind was rekindled.*
*But they are soon to find out that not only is this human far stronger than even its predecessor, they have a guardian angel...*
*Or perhaps more accurately, a guardian demon.*
Beautiful and well said
Horrortale but horror is for the monsters who follow the orders of their queen
Frisk who was planning on going around hugging everyone while hearing witty comments from an only mildly upset Chara: 😮 😑
@Solesteam Likely, Frisk would be the one flirting here and there with Chara being the one who actually came up with the formal sentences
@@edmyraurummancenido4406 Yeah, pretty much the same gist of what I said, Frisk being anywhere between affectionate to uncomfortably affectionate while Chara uses intelligent speech.
i love the idea that clover just keeps the souls with them and doesnt elaborate further
Regret hits after the realisation of his sins... will he be able to come back to the humans after what he has caused? He's lost between guilt and pride...
@@Azwow clover is non binary
@Morgansliftadventures i think the devs said their pronouns are whatever you want them to be
@@himhim2527 oh
@@himhim2527 in undertale its the same but everyone ignores that fact even tho toby said it
I love how the genocide route explores justice being taken to the extreme of vengeance, and then you’re left with nothing except destruction
You're left with the freedom of your own and the 5 humans you came to rescue
@@Azwow*But deep down...deep down. You know what it really was*
Not really, aftter all its still the only ending where Clover gets to leave the underground. There isn't muchthey can regret doing in this situation, especially knowing that they're being really racist in this route lol
@
“Not really”
_Doesn’t address what I said_
Huh?
You did it. You brought down the monster kingdom, found and resuced the 5 missing humans. You're a true hero.
it would be a shame if you
battles against the true hero
You brought down a whole population of beings, beings who had families and friends... Was this really justice...?
@@mosescheung5794 Justice against Determination...
@@mosescheung5794 GOD FORBID
@@Azwow Maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t.. Maybe this was needed for the greater good, maybe there was a better way to do this..
i would imagine clover was absolutely praised as a hero for recovering the lost souls and finishing off the monsters once they got back to the surface
Just like his ancestor archimage
Welp...Frisk is going have one hell of playthrough now xD
lol Ikr
EDIT: The replies do make a good point
Luckily, there ARE still monsters in the underground... Just not as much as before... And the SOULs are gone... And Asgore...
horrortale but with frisk
Welp flowey is not arround to bully frisk anymore at least
Still easy, cause Frisk just build different.
After this, Clover disappeared into the woods and isolated himself from society.
Some say he lives now in a cabin in the middle of the forests of Ebbot.
Years later, Clover is an broken man, often talking to himself and forest animals. One specifically being his pet blue bird he calls "Mart".
Despite it all, he is still contacted by family, often taking care of his niece, who always enjoys her uncle company and the stories he tells about the mountain.
Her name?
Aliza.
Aliza my beloved
WAIT WAIT WAIT
THIS IS NOW AN AU OF HORRORTALE?
Even years later, Clover still can control their self. Clover could had easily went down to the underground and killed the rest of the monsters, but yet chooses a peaceful life with their niece. They didn't want violence anymore. Violence corrupted them so much as they became cold, emotionless and broken. But yet when it comes to their niece... Clover tries to act positive around her. Only wanting to protect her childhood and to protecting her from violence.
Clover with LV 20 and their super laser blast, can easily protect their family from any danger.
" * EVEN IF YOU KILL ME, I KNOW HOW THIS ENDS. * THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY ESCAPING IT. * THAT CASTLE MAY AS WELL BE A COFFIN BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY DEAD. * HA HA! YOU HEAR THAT??? * YOU"RE DEAD! * HA HA HA! * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!"
Does Clover still think about that day? The day where they escaped the time loop? Are they still traumatized about what Flowey said? Was there really a time where Clover befriend the monsters and give up their SOUL for them? At this point, Clover only cares about their family and no one else.
Their niece is more important then monsters.
Level 20 clover going into the underground to rescue Aliza? Oh dear.
"Do you feel like a hero yet?"
“In a word, Yes.”
_"No matter what happens next, don't be too hard on yourself. Even now, after all you've done, you can still go home. Lucky you."_
@@Frostblitz96 Villain to Monster, Hero for "Humans".
@@gg.420 Humans. There, fixed it for you
* I did it.
* I accomplished my goal.
* I saved the humans...
* I eradicated the enemy...
* ...so why do I feel...
* ...
* I should be proud of myself.
* I am a hero.
* They... they _killed_ those humans.
* They _deserved_ it.
* ...why can't I accept it?
* I thought I did.
* The moment I entered this hellish place...
* I knew my goal.
* ... I didn't think it'd go this far.
* But now we're here.
* I'm stronger than ever.
* Yet this strength... it feels weird.
* I don't think I can ever be myself again.
* Not after all the things I did...
* I had to betray my morals to achive my goal.
* To get strong enough so I could...
* ...is this really justice...?
* It's too late to think about this.
* They're gone.
* _I'm_ gone.
* The only thing that remains is...
* *A world devoid of justice.*
Nothing but thoughts of guilt linger. You are filled with... regret.
This truly was an under tale yellow
@@usernametaken017 "Now my TALE lies UNDER YELLOW flowers..."
You won, but, you can feel it. You’re no longer filled with a sense of Justice.
You felt it as you went, subtly, but you figured it was just fatigue.
Now, however, resting upon this mountain top, you reflect on _all_ your actions.
On Dalv, on Martlet, on Starlo. Did they really deserve this? Was that Justice?
You realize, that, in your anger, your righteous fury became a dark rage, destroying without heed or mercy.
You feel your sins upon your back, they remind you that you can never truly take back your actions, truly undo what you’ve done.
Weighing heavy, your sins fill you with a sense of despair and remorse.
You sacrificed JUSTICE… for VENGEANCE. And now, all that is left is dust and regret.
Was it worth it?
The kindness soul is in quiet it has a strong sense of justice and patience and what you did has none of those.
You never thought patiently to do what’s right
But they still forgive you
This song is the definition of I’ve won but at what cost
500. people
@@Karthik-pn2yj WE MUST HAVE MORE!
If there are 10,000 monsters in the underground
While the Vengeance route is a tad more morally grey than the Genocide route of the main game it still leaves you with a very hollow, empty feeling after completion...and for good reason. Sure, Clover survived and completed their mission...but in doing so, they ended the lives of dozens of monsters who had nothing to do with their crusade. All the folks who would've been their friends on other routes are dead (plus, Kanako has now been made an orphan) This coupled with the death of the King, and the disappearance of the Souls, means the Underground will likely be thrown into a time of chaos and despair not seen since the death of the Dreemurr Siblings.
Heck, even the return of the Queen might only throw fuel into the fire as I can imagine not many people would be happy to see her back after she fled her responsibilities and went off the radar for years, if not decades. And honestly? I can't say I fully blame them for resenting her. One of the pillars of your community, meant to keep hope alive in your darkest hour, disappears for ages and she chooses NOW of all times to return, after the deaths of so many of your people, the loss of the King AND the Souls? And she has the nerve to expect you to follow whatever new decrees she lays down? Yeah, there's gonna be folks to oppose her return, for sure.
Best-case scenario I can see is the Underground getting sharply divided between folks who are pro-human and those who are anti-human.
And as for Clover here? I can imagine they're contemplating everything they just went through and wondering if it was actually worth it... (spoiler alert: It wasn't)
who the hell would be pro-human in this scenario? some random kid with a pistol had just brutalized their people, vaporized their king and stole all their "progress and hopes". The Underground would probably turn into an anarchist wasteland after everything, like in one of the original UT neutral endings where you kill everyone but Toriel.
* It's just you. But are you just?
i like to think post-genocide route the souls and clover just go get therapy for what they had to go through and what they did to those monsters
like imagine the trauma of dying in a foreign place, being rescued against all odds, and then being traumatized even more when you peek into your savior's mind and see all the horrible stuff they did to save you
I think the SOULs would just eventually dissipate after leaving the barrier. Geno Clover doesn't strike me as the kind of person who'd get therapy, if they could even get it (they're a child vaguely alluded to have an abusive home life). I think they'd either keep seeking "justice" on the surface until it got them killed, or decide what they did in the Underground didn't solve anything, and that the only just thing to do was to RESET.
PEAK
I can imagine that if they’re able to get the Souls bodies before they disappear.
Maybe it leads Clover to regret their actions more when they can’t find vessels, when their motive for all that death still fades into the ether…
@@Colddirector i think the implication is that they reset
uty's alternate endings that deviate from clover's canon fate are made in a way that they could be considered canon to uty (flowey resets in the neutral route and clover resets in the genocide route)
@@FE_StudiosJust a thing, uty cannot be canon in any way. First of all, there is a LOT of inconsistency in the lore of uty that contradict the original game, like the existence of Shujin, or most importantly the fact that clover don't have a control of the save over floway, while it's LITTERALY CANON that EVERY HUMAIN without exception are able to save. So just by that, that cannot be canon.
I believe that clover would just return to the other humans with the 5 souls
Since Clover killed everyone in the underground he won’t be messed around anymore in his home town anymore
He done his job very well
The other humans might agree and some won’t
But at the end he’s still alive and healthy
Vengeance has been done and there’s no returning back
Now i can rest easy knowing the human souls are back -Clover
The monsters only took 5... clover took dozens, and for what? A chance at freedom and saving 5 already dead children...
It would require the souls of all the monsters to be able to match the power of a human soul.
@ANDRESALEGB12 that might be true. but monsters still had families and friends. They were as alive as the humans
@@AzwowClover did not care about them having family. And remember that some of the monsters are hiding from clover during the genocide route, After Clover left the underground with the 5 souls The remaining of the monster have to pick a new King or queen to rule the underground or just give up hope
@@johnthefox4178 And this has ensured the war between monsters and humans would never end
*And that was that.
*I felt the light hit my skin. The cold air of the mountaintops
*The sheer weight of what I had done.
*I had rescued them. I was a hero.
*...but then I thought back to a friend.
*A wise friend in my hometown.
*"Justice is blind, Clover. Not heartless. Don't you EVER forget that."
*I told him I wouldn't ever forget.
*I guess... I lied.
*Who am I?
* What remains of me is no justice. it's all absent
I doubt Clover would go to the surface and just be happy. When you seek the skewed justice that they did, it doesn't stop. If what the monsters did was unjust, imagine how Clover would view human society.
Clover appears on live tv to tell everyone how their gonna use their super laser piss to Kill everybody
@@fernoagent8581 I think their SOUL attack wouldn't be nearly as effective against humans, because they're not made of magic and they're not as affected by the murderous intent of others.
@@ColddirectorClover still has a loaded gun
@@ThePit. loaded with friendliness pellets, and who knows whether those dissipated after Flowey's death.
@Colddirector
He killed a robot with CLOVER BLAST with no problem. So I wouldn't say that.
In any other rpg, killing the monsters _actually_ makes you feel like a hero.
Here, you gain a new perspective.
Finally, Clover is alive and he's going to be okay. Justice has been served.
Were the sacrifices he made worth it?
@@Azwow If he didn't, they would have. If it took such sacrifices to keep Clover alive, then the world was never a justice place. After all, no one had to die....
@@AzwowYes for them
@@Nik-fn6tr There's always another way
@@Azwow Justice Matters Most
Fun fact, the genocide route is probably canon, following by Clover doing a true reset out of guilt. Because in the Omega Flowey fight, Flowey has access to all of the save files of the fallen humans.... Implying that Clover had control over the timeline at one point. And the only moment they had control over it.. is during a genocide run
i think clover not having control over their own save file is just a plot hole of undertale yellow, because its implied by the omega flowey fight that each soul has its own save file, and i dont think that every single fallen human did a genocide run just to get the ability to save, i think thats just something a human soul can do.
Every ending is simultaneously canon, as the player inevitably completes each of them before resetting.
The only question is the order and the end, which ending cannot be taken back is the canon one.
@@TheDestroyer55e Yes.... But not
Look at it like that, everyone can have their own save file, that looks great with our leads and flowey
The joke of because in undertale we have absolute control of our save file is that our will, our DETERMINATION is much greater than flowey
Everyone is able to manage to have control of their save file if they manage to overcome user's will with greater source of determination of the place
Clover has determination, just like any human, meaning if there wasnt another being taking precedence, they'd be able to freely manipulate the timeline. Flowey was just stronger somehow, but if you glom them together into a collective, whether one is stronger or weaker become irrelevant because it's all the same being.
Also the humans having a save file is canon , flowey meeting clover can't be canon at all! Even if we go by your humans save files thingy, flowey is the second last save file from the order
Holy crap this song hits hard... I imagine it makes Clover think if it was worth it, all the pain caused for "letting justice be done"...
Its actually the losing theme slowed and reverbed, because in the end... Clover felt like the decisions they made were a loss
*To think genocide is the only ending where Clover survives and goes home...*
EDIT: I meant in Undertale Yellow but I do appreciate the replies :)
Undertale RED true pacifist clover gets to go home :]
Well if you know about one theory, there’s a chance that Clover gets to go home in True Pacifist, just after the Asriel fight, after experiencing a 1 year coma
@pro-hz7kx Not really a coma, they were dead
Best case scenario, it probably felt like an out-of-body experience
@@masonstewart6232 possibly more like it, but Clover’s soul wasn’t shattered so either it was death or a limbo
@@helo6824 without a soul
* The edge of the Mountain looms over you.
* You won... and yet... Why am I still here?
* I should be giving them to. . . Who are their families?
* . . . Why won't they talk to me? . . . I did the Right thing... Right? This is. . . Justice.
* . . . . . . . But nothing came of it.
Терпение принимает то как он был терпелив и не спешил во время своего пути
Храбрость хвалит его за его храбрость , за то что он не побоялся спускаться и спасать их
Порядочность гордится им за то что он навёл порядок в подземелье и закончил её дело
Настойчивость одобряет то что он весь свой путь стоял на своём
Доброта не понимает его жестокость и суждения
Порядочность не про это, чувак
This is perfect for the end of 2024
a dusty ending
It is
I just listened to this during the new year… it really is.
If this is the only way to survive...so I won't reset. I think Clover doesn't feel anything anymore...no guilt, no pride...but even so, I think there is no need to reset. We need to stay and take the souls to their relatives. We have to be strong. I'm sorry, Clover...
Is it even justice anymore?
@@TrueKin01 Well...We can ask Clover about it. On other routes, Clover couldn't have answered us...
Nothing but the echoes of your efforts linger. You are filled with a sense of justice
* You did it, justice was finally served...
* But... was it really worth it?...
* Have you truly done the right thing...?
* Perphaps there could've been another way...
* What if you had listened to them? tried to understand them?
* Could this tale have had a happier ending? you wonder...
* But... it's too late to go back now... after all...
* *You've* *made* *your* *choice* *long* *ago...*
I feel that the geno run is canon, but Clover canonically always resets due to Asgore’s soul burdening them with the guilt and hopes of monsterkind.
Clover: "Justice...Has been prevailed...The Souls are now at peace...I am a TRUE hero..."
The feeling of "Mission Accomplished" is not always satisfactory, but we have to ask those who completed the mission to find out if the opinion is similar or not.
Clover delivers some kind of justice in every route, but he has never seen it himself. Think about it. In the neutral, he kills some monsters who attacked him, so it's self defence. In the end, he isn't completely good so he doesn't deserve freedom, but he is not evil, so he doesn't deserve to die either. So staying in the underground is the neutral option that is just to him. However flowey kills martlet and resets, so clover gets literally nothing. In the pacifist route, clover sacrifices himself to give freedom to the monsterkind. He is a hero that did not only deserved to live, but to see freedom he gave to monsters. But he is dead, and didn't get his just ending here either. In flawed pacifist, clover wasn't only defending himself, but others as well (who knows what ceroba would do to get to the lab), so he deserved forgiveness for his decision, but he doesn't get it. In genocide, clover destroys the entire lower level of underground, killing hundreds of innocent monsters just to get power and then kills asgore, completely destroying hopes and dreams of monsterkind. He doesn't deserve freedom, he doesn't deserve to live, his death would be the most just thing here. But now he gets everything: life, freedom, 5 human SOULs, and asgore's SOUL on the top. Literally every ending of undertale yellow in unjust to clover. Ironically, he is giving everyone the justice he has never seen himself
If the genocide route had a credits I feel like this would work quite well
Pacifist has one I think where clover is sleeping in his room
WDYM? HES DEAD IN PACIFIST AJSJAOAKJDOQJSOSJSIWIISOWOS- @@Azwow
After all the battles you fought, enemies you defeated and the end reached you feel... nothing. And yet you must move forward, No matter what comes.
The epitome of "let justice be done, though the world perish."
for me the path of Vengeance is my favorite, because it is true justice and Clover remains true to his ideals, saves people's souls, and still survives himself! The happiest ending. I'm serious. The only path where Clover does not forget about the purpose of his journey and where his soul of justice is ..... justified.
🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻🤦🏻😨
As wrong as it is i must agree he fufills his mission and lives he saved the kids but its not justice its a deranged kid with an arm attacking anyone he saw there are only a few instances he let people go but that was when they ran its not justice i cant even tell if it should be called vengance but
In this one Clover lives and since he absorbed asgores soul I bet he'll have a very intersting life i just wonder when he'll let the others go
No matter he survived to say was it worth it yes yes it was was it right no but he survived hes going to get to grow up see his family again and he might even finish the job he started by wiping out the monsters hes probably even going to live longer asgore was immortal id say another 50 years is well worth it maybe even fully getting immortality by taking toriels
@@TrueKin01 Listen I aint sayin it right but it is the literally the only situation the kid lives frankly its worth it to him there are benefits clover is stronger than ever he won and he literally has power over time itself which is not something to scoff at if you notice there are some parts which geno clover actually interacts with a save point without flowey and you have flowey who in all truth was a main cause cause if he neer interacted with clover he would have lived till adult hood with toriel shoot the kid for all we know is immortal having asgores soul cause if it means asgore never ages the kid might just hit 26 then stay that for the rest of time if he has no kids worst case lives to 200 still good his HP high took my body is a weapon to seriously literally smashing his soul throw what sounded like glass and hes gonna grow up he wont receive one consequence for this by the JUSTICE system i doubt that people really know much of the monsters his parents will probably just freak out about him having a gun take it then that will be that he probably has magic now cause humans can do it its how the barrier was made so how far is it to say the humans took a few boss monster souls during the war either way this is a VICTORY for clover
And yeah its messed up completely heinous what he did but hey he lived shoot hes basically a demi god now its the only outcome where he doesnt die literally if he just stops at axis he still dies so it was necessary for survival YESS now for the monsters feel bad for them i mean like they didnt deserve it none of them deserved what clover did to them like he probably hiped out at least like a tenth of the monsters left on earth in a day so yeahh horrible but this if we want to think about this lore wise this is literally after dying thousands of times being brought back flowey expireminting with his pet to see what makes them go farther the kid becomes deranged literally drawing on anything that moves unless he needed it which the second he started to load against flowey he won in a bit shoot flowey tried escaping clover in one load but being brought back he actually did get asgore like he is his prisoner inside him now thats nuts but yeah this probably took place over the equivalent of a thousand lifetimes till the kid was drawn to madness lore wise game wise its us then clover draws on axis martlet and asgore
That last is true about it being worth living he was doomed from the second he feel in cause flowey would probably never let him go if he did living with martlet is the best choice but he can't flowey is determined impatient which is why he lashes out in neutral shoot flowey tells clover how much he loved watching clover dies he's done it for so long that you know he isnt lying he isnt he loved watching him suffer it was basically the only thing he could say to clover but you know it was true cause flowey was determined in all truth it was the only way clover would had lived was if he hadnt tampered with him. And Toriels a great monster yeah but so was martlet and he drew on sight realistically the kids deranged now but he is alive he can heal from what happened some horrible mental stuff but he is ALIVE he gets to see his MOM he gets to see his DAD he gets to grow up play with friends shoot guy might go into the military and yes he probably will try to wipe out the monsters by now the kid might not even regret it i bet he feels empty but is probably accomplished
@@TrueKin01 Okay bro ill wait
@@TrueKin01 bro come on I when to Brazil between the time it’s taken to respond
Мне всегда нравятся такие моменты. Это момент осознания, что ты выполнил свою миссию, и наконец, можешь просто отдохнуть, любуясь закатом...
пока души тебя оскорбляют какой ты идиот потому что из-за 5 убил пол подземелья
@Корнерс души не могут говорить. +Храбрость явно была не против, как и терпение. Доброта против, остальные не знаю
@@БлоходавСтудия у тебя нет чувства юмора
“A New and Unending Justice…And Everyone Hates You.”
Later.
The people of snowdin were left terrified
The ruins and the wild east was dusty and quiet.
The steamworks became a lifeless wasteland.
Monsterkind felt hopeless losing the souls and their king.
Undyne took control over the underground and swore vengence on the hatted human.
Martlet was remembered as a hero for dying in battle.
And one day, a new human falls. Toriel, unaware of all that has happened, warns the child of Asgore and the dangers of the Underground, teaches them mercy, and tells them to show kindness.
But, in this new Underground, there is no mercy, no kindness, no hopes or dreams or love. Only… VENGEANCE.
Crazy how it almost has the effects of a Neutral Route in Undertale
similiar to horrortale but alseat is frisk is not alice imaine beingg too weak to cause a genocide route
@@Hypercube2017also no Asgore
@@hello_i_exist_uwu true, but Toriel wouldn’t know that 😉.
**(Justice was done.)*
But at what cost
@@AzwowAt the cost of the lives of some monsters, but that doesn't really matter, what matters is that justice has been served, and that's it.
@Torchic454 It feels... like Clover has done more damage than good, slaughtering the innocent to free his own kind...
@@Azwow Noble goals require great sacrifices.😔
@@Torchic454 but for what goals? Clover "saved" the human souls from being stuck there but without a body or their jar?
They wouldn't make it off the mountain before they shattered.
In the aftermath of the vengeance ending Toriel would try to take over and be overthrown by Undyne, establishing a totalitarian regime. She’d likely promote one of the dogs to head of the Royal Guard and Martlet would likely be revered as a hero and used for a lot of propaganda. With a sizable chunk of the Underground dead, Undyne would need to figure out how to get the economy back on track and also how to be a good leader. She’d likely recruit Alphys as some sort of Royal advisor or something which… I don’t see going well. Alphys would fold like a wet noodle any time Undyne would push back on any of her suggestions.
By the time Frisk falls, the Underground will likely be struggling economically but still be very vehemently anti human. It won’t be quite as bad as Horrortale since Clover never decimated areas like CORE or Hotland. Undyne might find out about the Amalgamates which would lead to a very interesting confrontation. Mettaton’s TV shows would likely be at least partially rebranded into propaganda. Papyrus might finally be allowed to join the Royal Guard since Undyne would have likely gone at least a little off the deep end (and the Royal Guard needs more power. With Martlet dead and Undyne as Queen, the strongest known members of the guard are RG01 and RG02). Undyne would need his strength. Sans likely remains apathetic But maybe joins the Royal guard or remains a Century to just to protect his brother.
Frisk should still be able to Save and Load but they’ll almost certainly have to kill a lot of monsters their first go around.
Toriel would be very clingy and even harder to get past than normal, and the monsters would all try very hard to kill Frisk. Hell, maybe Frisk would just stay with Toriel.
Then Frisk falls and Toriel is desperate to keep them with her to prevent both her being ridiculed more and another possible mass murderer to get out there but mainly to keep them safe from the revenge hungry Undyne who wants just one soul for now to go to the surface and kill Clover the “The dusty devil” as revenge(But also, you know Six go another six souls from the surface to break the barrier)
Assuming they push forward, Snowdin would likely be harder than normal with more aggressive monsters. Waterfall might actually be easier because even though monsters would be more aggressive, Undyne would be in the castle. Of course there’s also the possibility of Undyne just leaving the castle and hunting you down as soon as she learns about you.
I'd imagine that sans wouldn't make his promise or maybe he would considering that no one he knew actually died, and papyrus might end up as part of the royal guard (Due to both undyne and Martlets positions being open). Undyne might not have time to get to know papyrus as well due to being queen?
I'd imagine some of Chujin's ideas would be checked out too, so new models of axis(or Axis inspired drones) and maybe some investigation into the boss monster serum?
The feisty four are alive, and might play a role in the story, potentially as a waterfall boss?
A pacifist run would be… really difficult and probably entail Frisk living as a peaceful fugitive in the Underground for years while winning over a few friends before the monsters overall come to terms with the fact that Frisk isn’t as bad as Clover. Ironically Frisk would probably have to live in the areas Clover wiped out since that’s where there wouldn’t be any monsters to threaten them. But eventually I’m sure Frisk could make peace. With no other Souls though… Frisk probably just lives in the Underground until they die of old age and give up their Soul to Undyne to be used to break the barrier. And who knows what happens from there?
As a side note, if Chara ever wakes up or if Frisk does Genocide, Chara will be fucking
*furious*
to learn some human killed their best friend and adoptive father and seemingly confirmed all of their suspicions of humanity . Geno Frisk in this timeline would tear the Underground to shreds even more aggressively than normal (since there’s a much stronger self defense argument due to the increased anti-human sentiment) and potentially hold off on wiping out humanity until they get the pleasure of killing Clover with their own hands. And since it took Clover until LV 20 to match a LV1 Frisk’s Determination? there is some question of whether or not it would even be an even fight but on the other hand in the genocide route even if Frisk/Chara did managed to find Clover (which I heavily doubt they will be able to) several years has passed since UTY and I sure clover has grown even stronger during those times combined with the fact that frisk & chara tried to destroyed humanity no doubt Clover would get incredible furious he would gained LV rapidly (the semi- watcher @manufacturedfromabove79 TH-cam channel) but would that be enough I don’t know considering by LV 20 frisk can literally destroy the world I honestly feel bad for what Chara and Frisk could potentially put but not definitely but Clover through before they finally destroy the world clover could still have a chance if fast to the draw, I guess with gun and assuming that frisk cannot save and load on the surface.
in contrast to this It really does make Clover’s character more compelling, and it makes Pacifist ending so much more bittersweet, knowing that despite all the horrifying things Clover has been through, clover still chose to be kind, befriend monsters along the way and ultimately give up life for the future of monsterkind.
m.th-cam.com/video/woGZRvYFA2g/w-d-xo.html
on a lighter note Undertale Yellow taught me:
- It's not about the destination, but the friends you make along the way
- Bring a kid to an Underground Casino is always morally correct
-The Mo theme (I bought everything this guy sold me in neutral, genocide, and pacifist skilled in the arts of trade is an understatement)
my theory is that undergrounnd and the surface are 2 diferent worlds that is why chara did not countine to the surface because that would have been the final mission of halo
“It’s just you. But are you Just?”
-One of those UTY concepts Idk
Despite being you the symbol of justice, your actions feel unjustified...
For me personaly: In UTY there isn't the good or bad ending. You choose if the ending you got was the one you feel comfortable with cuz. In one ending you are at the complete favor of Monsterkind, while on the other you are at the favor of your own. Humans and Monsters aren't that different after all if you see it deeply
Justice is beyond good or bad, no matter how things end... it will always be served
@@Azwow You're playing as itself to begin with
You committed a entire genocide
@@misterboxhead3045 I'm 90% sure that monsters would do the same if they reached the surface by killing Frisk instead of doing the whole pacifist stuff
@@hollowboy5899 that's no excuse
Clover: “well gang, I did it. I saved ya’ll…but,…what next?”
patience soul: patient clover it will all be revealed in time Time to get our souls back to our home so we can explain what happened
bravery soul:🧡
integrity soul:💙
Perseverance soul:💜
kindness soul:💚
Remember guys, Clover still have Asgore soul.
That means Clover is STRONGEST being in Undertale world(at least now).
With 5 human souls and a boss monster soul, no one is defying justice
@@Azwowunless it’s the player, who can just like
task manager clover away or close the window
@sussdood The player doesn't really play that big of a role in UTY. You could even say they play none at all. All the actions you can choose to do, all the paths you can take, all are Clover's.
Poor Clover, imagine the state of his mind after all that torture Flowey received, for the others it was just a day, for him, he lived years of hell down there, over and over again.
Clover stopped a devastating second human-monster war, freed the souls, and reached the surface alive!
clover: Mission accomplished💛🤠🍀🔫
Can't forget trauma from killing the hopes and dreams and dooming an entire civilization 😊
RESET 💛STAY
Justice… has been served….
This could be a great ending for the genocide run also I want to put this as my wallpaper it’s to beautiful
Lemme send you that then!
I also want it as a wallpaper xd
@neopump6859 add me on discord then!
@@Azwow I already sent you a request
@@AzwowCould I have it as well? My tag is BeeboTheCool
As a person who cheered as Clover killed Asgore and reclaimed the fallen souls, I absolutely feel justice has been served. My goodness, what a satisfying ending. I loved Undertale Yellow’s genocide route from start to finish.
Clover sits and stares at the skyscrapers in the distance. He knows he has completed his mission…..but…….was it TRUE justice…? He knows that most of the monsters he encountered had no part in the death of the 5 humans before him……Clover is stuck with the question……”was it justice or vengeance…?”
As the first birthday of undertale yellow approaches I revisited this video. It made me think of the burden Clover probably goes through after the genocide ending. The soul of a king hopeful for his people still part of them, always remembering of their violent retribution on monsterkind, unjustly imprisoned and in the end slaughtered, the remaining monsters devoid of hope, devoid of a king, devoid of a future for wanting freedom. The weight of consequence weighing on Clover's mind, was any of this needed? Was it justice? Or just self righteous judgment?
This is the theme of consequence, of judgment as flowey says, yellow isn't the color of justice but of judgment. Such is how it can drive a child into madness.
To everyone who contributed into developing this fangame I owe a thanks. Goodnight.
I would like to think that if frisk go to the underground the geno route should be the only option because monster will be more hostile with human
With Asgore dead. a chunk of the underground (steamworks and desert monsters) also dead. That means Toriel would became queen just for her to be rebelled against by Undyne, thus getting the Undyne queen ending much early compare to canon Neutral route Undertale. This Timeline's Frisk would have much tougher time once they're out of the ruins.
Would be interesting to see how things will be if frisk fell after the clover vengeance route
@@Azwowhonestly I think it Frisk would never fall down. Undertale is implied to to take place in semi moderns times(2100s). (Not to mention we can see skyscrapers in the distance) so after clover explains everything, the mountain would probably be closed to the public and be researched and possibly military occupied, since there’s a literally whole race down there
Omega clover
Your Best Judgement
Zenith clover
To be fair. Clover didn’t actively cause a genocide in this case. The monsters from the original undertale except asgore are mostly ok to do whatever
imagine a timeline where clover never makes a new save and after living a long life decides to reload the save knowing that its time the monster become free
The kindness soul would lose faith in you what kind of about killing
The braveness soul would lose faith
What’s brave about attacking people at their lowest?
The perseverance soul lost faith Is there any perseverance to give you second thought of what you doing?
The Integrity soul it knows they did something bad, but is there any integrity in your justice?
And the patient soul lost the most amount of faith. That you judge without patience.
it's nice to see a comment from the souls point of view even if it is somber
And yeah, I completely agree on this
Ngl it be It's interesting to see how the after ending of clover taken up the souls or like a cutscene of how the humans look of all the dust clover got
I'd like to imagine Clover drowning in guilt after exiting the barrier, and thinking about his sins.
O yah makes sense I like that idea 💡
BTW this is amazing
@@zlovegames2575 thanks bud
Np@@Azwow
Damn, just realized - does the "World devoid of justice" refer to the world outside of Mt. Ebott? If so, considering that Clover becomes obsessed with dishing out violent justice by the end of the route, and now has Asgore's soul... the implications are nothing good
Plot Twist: Clover ends doing the genocide with yhe humans as well after realizing there is no justice on the new world.
Until you realize that Clover cannot dodge all the bullets he/she will get shot at since they are real physical bullets not magical ones. Any human with a firearm and a good enough aim would obliterate Clover.
@@el_gatoNegrothere's no tangible way to powerscale humans in UT so who knows how that'd work
The humans sealed away the monsters after the war, because justice forbade them to eradicate the enemy.
But when the children fell... Who was it that spilled first blood..?
The monsters.
But chara... the first child that fell, the monsters adopted them. And then asriel tried fulfilling chara's last wish after they got sick by putting their corpse on the golden flowers in the middle of the human's village. But the humans attack asriel and he died when he came back to the underground... Humans also spilled first blood.
@@Azwow To be fair, Asriel was holding a dead child. Are you judging humans too harshly?
@@FuntimeByzantium humans were judging asriel too harshly, they jumped to conclusions...
@@Azwow ‘Monsters are made of love and compassion' proceeds to kill 5 human children. Compassion my ass
@@FuntimeByzantium They had their reasons. What Clover did was in some way justice, But they can't help but feel that there's was a better way than spilling more blood...
Ты выбрался из подземелья, души освобождены
Ты свободен и можно просто пойти домой.
Королевство монстров разрушена...
Но... Ты помнишь то что видел в её воспоминаниях
"А даже если и столкнусь, я же со всеми хорошо лажу." "Не могут же ВСЕ люди быть плохими... Верно же?"
"Чего ты хочешь добиться? Ты пытаешься найти причину ненавидеть меня? Странно... Ведь причина убивать других тебе не была нужна..."
А ведь... Правда... Что она тебе сделала? Всё что она делала это лишь преграждала путь, не она первая напала а ТЫ первый напал.
Когда она второй раз преграждала путь она лишь хотела убедить тебя в обратном а ты угрожал ей пистолетом, она даже не сопротивлялась.
А когда в третий раз встретились ТЫ первый начал битву...
Ты вспоминаешь врага который танцевал... Он извинялся за то что он вредил тебе вред а ты его убил...
Ты убил монстра ковбоя у которого были лишь резиновые патроны и не настоящий пистолет а ты его всё равно убил не смотря на то что этот монстр не хотел тебя убивать...
...Действительно ли ты справедлив...?
(ты стремился к справедливости... или власти?...)
* Ответ очевиден... *КОНЕЧНО!*
* Слава великому и могучему *ЧЕЛОВЕЧЕСКОМУ ВИДУ!*
* *Справедливость восторжествовала и её триумф закончится ещё не скоро!*
* Ты вспоминаешь, как эти кровожадные твари безжалостно убивали ни в чём невиновных детей!
* Ты вспоминаешь, как ты одолел робота, которого они сделали СПЕЦИАЛЬНО для убийства неповинных детей!
* Но теперь, они все ощутили какого это, они наконец познали истинную *С П Р А В Е Д Л И В О С Т Ь .*
@@Azwow *Вы решаете сбросить таймлайн*
*Оставить всё как есть 💛 *Сбросить
Коллективная ответственность
@@ДаниярКотИнсайд * *Оставить всё как есть* 💛 безусловно!
" Revenge won't bring you peace "
Violence only breeds Violence
Vengeance is not good, kills your soul and poisons it.
Revenge is not the Jedi Way
you did it, you served JUSTICE... atleast that's what you thought,
is this justice? or just revenge? a twisted one to be exact
your SOUL is darkening, you've lost your sense of JUSTICE
The place feels full of justice
We getting Aftertale Yellow with this one
(You are filled with a sense of JUSTICE. . .)
i just realized this is basically the "Honest Day's Work" track but reversed, hence the distorted/slowed "Justice" melody.
What kind of exaction?)
You came to investigate disappearing people, on your way almost every monster tries to kill you, so you fight back.
Marlet didn't attacked you first, just blocking the way, so you spared her! Even two times!
And then you learned that monsters actually killing people and stealing their souls. You revenged their deaths and saved their souls.
You god dаmn hero, and there's no little bit to be sad about.
The greed for power, being selfish only caring about humans, you created a war that would never end...
@Azwow nah, he destroyed all the aggressive monsters and won the war before it even starts.
Also, this route isn't about greed for power. Clover get stronger when learned about "neutralising human".
It's about revenge.
@@Kostr184but are monsters really attacking you? I mean, most of them don't act aggressively at all, we don't know if they really are attacking you
Also in geno you are forcing the encounters so no self defense
They are attacking you and are fully aware of that
@@user-vp9ry3km2c at least not in every case. El Bailador for example mentions that he never realized that you were getting hurt. And the dialogue of the rest of the normal monsters makes me think that they also don't. Most of them don't even realize that you are a human
Satisfaction.
I like how no one talks about how clover becomes a literal god at the end of genocide
the resets only work underground, plus the moment he goes to the surface he only has a gun with whatever ammo he uses and no real way to use his soul magic
@@ragegamer123He can still shoot lasers I'm pretty sure
my personal head cannon is Clover did genocide first out of anger but after he left his regret stayed with him eventually he dies of old age just to feel something in the distance...his save he made in the ruins he realizes he can fix his mistakes and do true justice and reloads his save back in the ruins like nothing happened he then does true pacifist and as he's dying he feels the sins that were crawling on his back for all those years finally fade away
Clover above all else!
Just realized the song is Justice slowed down by 50%
it's moreso the "Honest Day's Work" but reversed and sped up version of Justice, as even speeding it up to 2x it sounds distorted in almost the same exact way in that version
its been years since you left the underground you're in your 70s now and have a heart condition... but your last game save was in the ruins you have had years to think about your actions you have decided its time to reload your save becoming a kid again will be jarring but its time you make up for your sins against monster kind...maybe this new timeline will end up better once the final human falls...you can only hope.. you got to live your life on the surface its time they get to live theirs
*Was it justice?
*Was it vengeance?
*The answer scares you...
* despite everything you served Justice
Frisk would be like:well... This place seems off...
very vibey i love this
the realization of your actions fills you with guilt...
Lore of And Then, A World Devoid Of Justice Appeared... Momentum 100
Justice is becoming absent.
Best ending
An One side Justice.
* i did it... i saved the 5 missing humans.
But at the cost of my own humanity…
(You wonder if this was worth all that you’ve done…)
this is kinda sad in a messed up way
yup. hella worth it. vengeance clover best clover.
Congratulations you win!
Anyone else watching this during new years
WE WONNNNNN… at what cost.
Accomplished my mission yet was all that worth doing?…
If there was any other way, he wouldn't have done it. Everyday he wish he could have done differently
*You found them. Your mission is completed.
*But can you rest now?
Yes you can.
There are no monsters nearby
Вы наполняетесь чувством справедливости... Или же правосудием?
...was it worth it? the dept has been paid but... why do I feel like I was wrong...why do I hear the screams of them every time I close my eyes... was it justified?
You slaughtered every monster for the freedom of the 5 humans and yourself. It took countless lives... Was it really... justice...?
@@Azwow YES
@@FuntimeByzantium😨
Not related to the video but sometimes I wonder, how would Clover feel adjourned if his last target was undyne? The head of the royal guard seeking justice for monsterkind as her main theme ("spear of justice") suggests. Limitless possiblities, I imagine, it is but a silly idea after all, justice was done, it's all that matters
As much as i love the UTY NPCs, If this is the only route that Clover can stay alive, then let it be done (sorry I love Clover too much and seeing the end of the pacifist route wasn't healthy)
The crazy thing is that Clover would be super strong after this ending. And not for the reason most would think, as LV and stuff wouldn't work on regular humans. HOWEVER, Geno Clover would have absorbed Asgore's soul to leave the underground, meaning that Clover at least got a TANGIBLE boost in power. How that manifests is unknown, official Undertale doesn't go into it. For all we know, Clover can use magic like a monster now, or maybe he has the physical strength of Asgore. If a monster absorbing a human soul makes them almost double as strong as normal, (or at least strong enough that ancient humans were scared enough to consider monster genocide and/or imprisonment) imagine what the inverse could do.
There is no piece of any lore from Undertale which specifically states that LV only works on monsters, you are just coming up with fanon stuff that are not confirmed by the game at all. Secondly, we never saw a human vs human battle in both Undertale and Deltarune, so this means that there is no definite evidence to prove or deny that LV works in human vs human battles.
@@el_gatoNegro simply put, humans don't attack the soul, meaning we don't deal with human LV, and we don't bother with soul HP. We just physically attack eachother. Unlike monsters, we have a physical form, that can be damaged, and that physical form can be our demise, soul strength be damned. I don't think getting stabbed in the heart isn't gonna matter no matter what level you are, for humans anyway. Otherwise in toby's world, serial killers and murderers would be unstoppable on the surface and at some point a really smart murderer could probably overthrow a government alone. A child could do it in the underground, imagine a full grown adult with more deadly weaponry? The surface would basically just be an anarchy state with the strongest murderers in charge, which it obviously is not.
Ah, yes, the good ending.
Clover avenged all of them, but the question remains, was every action worth it?
Was his own freedom and the 5 human souls more valued against the underground?
* Justice has been served
* *but at what cost?*