@@zhufortheimpaler4041 UK looked at these in 2007 as part of a project started as TRACER way back in 1989. The project changed names e.g. SCOUT or FRES and decided on ASCOD which still isnt in service.
@@SuperChudley it was between 1996 and 2003. But yes, the UK is setting Benchmarks on how to fail at procurement. Similarly the Challenger 2 LEP Programme, wich only took 20 years to get moving.
@@bojanvukobradovic2504 No, of course not. No-one has taken Boxers to battle yet. But they are being used in the Baltic, on missions like eFP, and perform well.
Kinda nice that the UK now builds German IFVs under licence but the dude is right: The GTK Boxer is the best. It is fast and incredibly versatile, you can change a Boxer ambulance to a 155mm howitzer or anything in between.
The UK alone has ordered 600+ Boxers, the more production facilities the better. Now there is the new tracked version of the Boxer, that will add to the orders.
You mean 200x it? Because quadruple of nothing is still nothing. At 3 (or 12) a year they will be 20 years outdated by the time they can be commissioned into service.
I don’t agree that it’s positive news it will take another 7 years to fulfil the order. To the contrary it’s dreadful news and the procurement team need sacking! So, an export market would be totally out of the question then? Any capacity in the UK to build new indigenous light armoured recce/utility vehicles that could compete with the Hummer Sabre? ...Or You could buy 4/5 of them for the price of a jackal...
@@ad.6472 No questions on quality raised when it’s Germany asking for the supply. But yeah, the Conservatives have always despised Australian industry, they have an import mentality as they’re knuckle-draggers.
It's incrediblie how modular this platform with the many modules is - transport, medic, leading, IFV, support(105mm), AA(Skyranger) and soon one of the newest 155mm howitzer the RCH-155. And there are modules from several manufacturers. So much more should be possible.
The fact that there are modules from different companies is also very astonishing to me. I believe this will work wonders for the longevity of the vehicle.
@@Foxtrottangoabc The stockport plant is already open and building them i live near it WFEL use to be Vickers they been building armoured vehicles and repairing western tanks for years
This is one of two productions lines (RBSL and WFEL). So the total is probably 6 or more a month, so 72 a year. The UK has order over 600 boxers in total, so 2030 sounds about right for all to be delivered.
that's usually sufficient if no one is shooting at you :) Losses in peace times are usually limited to RTA's and other accidents and items which have been serviced poorly :)
i live in the uk and saw a armoured military vehicle the other day just driving the road and it was the same size as a truck hope when these new ones get fully into production i can see some of these on the road aswell
@@teatanks6481 and in Australia. Bundeswehr has ordered boxers from Australia. Everyone works together, whoever has free capacity produces. and each army decides how many vehicles and how often they want to get - it's also about training. If you want more - you pay more money and industry builds new factory.
I must add to the 'bond of trust' statement. Spot on - really impressed this industry guy gets it. Taxpayer entrusts industry to deliver best possible affordable equipment to the troops.
I think some of you don’t understand the reason for the production rates. 36 a year, so what rate do you want? How about 100 a year. Finish in 6 year, then factory closes then what! The reason production is slow is to keep parts and replacements available after 6 years then you got training and ammo production that needs happen too. Think about it, the factory closed in 10 years you need to replace 10 destroyed boxers. You will not have a replacement available either you spend a fortune reopening the factory or new versions from somewhere else. It is best to try and balance production to as close as possible the vehicle life span.
@@doubletap-z8c hah, can’t take it back from an Argentina that has no fighters in range of the islands, no navy to speak of, and probably still using children as soldiers. honestly that’s laughable
@@pr7638 you’d think w the situation going on in Europe they’d have a bit more haste or have more locations building the same number of units per month, here’s hoping something gives them the right kick up their backside
They're going to need to pull their fingers out on this one. In 7 years it could all be over. I'm the first to say build in Britain but when it's crunch time you have to compromise. I'd have said build half of them on the continent and half in Britain and do it as quick as you can.
Unfortunately, I believe the plan is to drag out defence procurement for as long as possible, so that when hostilities are finally over, the Government can just go back to cancelling expensive defence programs without actually finishing them.
@@tinysaxon3826 That's a separate but also serious problem. Although I suspect manpower would be the easier of the things to get sorted if we got into a war. It'd be the equipment that would take the serious time, that's why we need decent stocks in advance. Tanks, warships and so on can't be produced overnight.
@@tinysaxon3826 Smaller economies cannot support a large scale military in the long term, its part of the reason NATO has been established. Our allies can help fill holes in our force and vice versa.
BOXER is the best 8x8 Wheel-Tank in the world with multifunctional possibilities. We are proud that our german tank will also build in uk from experts for the british army. It is interessting to know that the german army will change the strukture of field army. In future the german army have 3 different kind of troops. 1. light combat units (like paratroopers etc.) 2. middle combat units 3. heavy combat units. The middle combat units will only be equipped on wheel-based vehicles and the BOXER will be the main weapon system in various variants. From wheeled-IFV with a 30mm machine cannon, troop carrier and up to 155mm wheeled artillery (RCH155). It is a big change in german army but I love the new middle combat units. Powerfull and fast on wheel based BOXER.
Great work everyone, gotta admit would love to drive one around off-road, please build more and send some to us in NZ please! Good to hear positive news, good for jobs and businesses. UK/NZ
@@ljnouata9088 sure, its big. like every modern wheeled APC. Thats due to the Mine Protection and off road capability. And its better protected than the average tracked IFV
The Boxer is a clear example of what two of the mightiest nations - the UK and Germany - can achieve if they work together towards a common goal. And the common goal is evident - protect our own european realm and civilizations from the ever growing threats of tomorrow and the rise of extremism and the unpredictability of the dictators and tyrants of the East. Huge respect from your humble NATO partner - Bulgaria
@@DanTube2010 I don't think they can lie about stuff like this. They have to be open about what they are paying and what they are getting at some point, usually in a defence council meeting.
It’s going to be expanding, the mod confirmed that, and as far as I can tell intend to keep that promise, just taking longer than even I’m comfortable with
Production of 3 a month is nowhere near good enough. We string out these procurements to spread the cost but it means 10 years where we'll be operating under our proposed capability. And this is a project that started in 1996! So nearly 30 years for it to first get into service and 40 before it's fully deployed. So the last unit to be equipped will receive a 'new' vehicle that should be about ready to be replaced.
With the background that Britain closed down nearly every production facilities, it's a start. The British production sector is tiny compared what it was 30 years ago.
3 a month doesn't sound like much, but consider that this is only secondary production, the main stuff is in Germany which outputs them much faster. At the very least it's keeping veterans employed.
Australia is supplying the Germans with 123 Boxers in an 18 month contract as well as building 325 for its own use over two years. Britain can’t match that delivery schedule.
@@seanlander9321 but we don't need to, the point isn't shifting to domestic production it's about providing jobs to veterans while also benefitting the total vehicle count.
@@RJM1011 The ‘stupid war’ is started and waged by Putin. He wants to invade Europe, and we’re not far away from Europe. Russia is more or less an adversary to the UK and its allies. Inflation and oil prices are going up internationally, and you can blame that on Putin’s agenda. So get a grip…
The Ajax debacle is really mind blowing. The uk didn't even developed a new vehicle but decided to take a matured platform wich has been in service for up to 3 decades (ascod) and slightly modify it. And still they messed that up
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Yes. UK should either buy military off-the-shelf, or have a nationally-owned capacity to design and manufacture armoured vehicles, which would be given continual orders. Of course, for ideological reasons the government are against nationalised industries. So if they wanted Ascod, they should have bought it as-is, not sought to gold-plate everything.
withdraw in July 2003 / March 2018 it was announced by the UK government that it was re-joining the Boxer programme, and in April 2018 it was announced that Boxer had been selected by the British Army to meet its Mechanized Infantry Vehicle (MIV) requirement. No details relating to quantity, cost, timeline or any contractual status was given. Basically they did nothing and are just buying the one that they partially build ... Artec had signed agreements with UK suppliers, this contributing to the fact that 60% by value of the MIV contract will be done in Britain, along with final assembly of the MIVs at facilities already owned by the consortium. Could have been better .
So what's the problem? Would you rather have it that the UK were too stupid to realize they'd made a mistake and were to too up their own arses to admit it and then try to rectify it? Glad our government has recognized the error and given permission for the MOD procurement teams to put it right.
That is ridiculous, the first production ones will be worn out by the time the last are delivered. We need at least twice or three times the number with the manpower to use them all and delivered in less than 3 years.
well, you see.... that happens if you shut down your factorys in 2004, due to failing at every export bid and at every domestic developement project since 1994. You just got no factories and trained personell to produce more and have to start from scratch. This is building armored vehicles with training wheels and from a foreign template
@@andrewholdaway813 If they wear out in training they're not very good. How do you lose a big thing like that? they're hard to misplace. Is a ear expected?
@@tankythemagnorite9855 must have made it earlier then 2030 seem a article on the the government site saying 2030 and still my point is that’s still some time away just for 148 tanks we’ll upgrades.
Rheinmetall seem to be moving most functions except MBT and IFV to the Boxer chassis - everything that was in the past on the Leopard 1 chassis. E.g. the new Gepard is the Skyranger and the new PzH 2000 is the RCH 155. There is an obvious advantage to a common chassis in terms of maintenance. As to why they are 8-wheeled and not tracked - no idea. I always thought wheeled vehicles are quicker on roads but higher. Maybe height is less of a concern today.
Wheels are faster, tear less, lighter cheaper, easier to maintain, and the vehicle is less prone to a mobility kill, because of one chain tile gets snapped the entire chain is useless, the Lav 25 states to be still usable with 4 of 8 wheels, The AMX-10RC and the Fnss Pars can even turn on point
Boxer has a tracked module, everything mounted on the tracked module can also be mounted on the wheeled module, and there is an ifv version of the boxer
@@philipkoene5345 KMW the one producing Leopard 1 and 2 based vehicles, but also PzH2000 and the majority of the chassis etc of Puma. Boxer is basicly a Rheinmetall household brand.
We need to expand production to include the tracked variant, to replace the failed AJAX IFV. Also, overall capacity needs to increase by a factor of at least double.
I am glad the Britain is using the boxer and we need more of them and with the challenger 3 upgrade as well hopefully Britain can relearn how to build tanks again after losing that strategically important capability thanks to the Ajax program.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 apparently the Ajax hulls built in Spain are all slightly different. Not blaming Spain but rather the failure to manage quality by the contractor.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 the Ajax is based on an existing successful design but it didn't apparently prevent the contractors from apparently failing to build them to specification.
Britain needs to crank up the production. Germany decided to create medium heavy forces and are now surprisingly buying Boxers from Australia but it is not nearly enough! There is a lot of money to be made with the Boxer!
While a capable vehicle they are absolutely MASSIVE. They dwarf a Challenger . Also , at well over 30 tons and with 8 wheels not exactly great in the mud.
3 per month 😂😂😂 Is that it? The army could easily lose 3 per day in a conventional war. Then have to wait a month just to build their replacement. I also hope some sort of surge capability is built into this product line. As we would need much more than 3 a month during war time 😉
The companies could easily produce them faster. But this would require a far bigger order and a higher price. The UK is not in a war and will also not be at war in the foreseeable future. Therefore buying new equipment is a rare event. To prevent the losss of defense companies they slow down the delivery to keep them afloat. In the event of a war I guess the Nummer could relatively easily get increased to 10 per day
Reportedly, Russia is producing 3 tanks a day, with plans to build another 2 tank plants. Producing 3 APCs a month just goes to show to wrong the UK government and armed forces have underestimated mass production of armour, weapons and ammunition. In this day and age, its extremely difficult to build or find funds for mass production plants.
A sober estimate is 20 tanks a month across the two Russian tank factories, and struggling at that. Can those Boxers be produced faster? Yes, but increased production capasity must have suffikent orders . A planned production of 50 annually for a order of 300 seems about right to me
The Russians are refurbishing tanks not only building new ones so lots of old litchis being tarted up painted a bit and sent to the front They can build 3 T90s a day the question is will they work for very long
@OleLeik Complete blxnbs - Russia in absolutely and irredeemably incapable of getting anywhere near close to that figure for a variety of reasons. They cannot even repair or upgrade their current stocks of cold war inventory at that rate. State your source for the info please.
@@brokenpotato438 mate the Ajax isn't in serves yet and of course the Boxers production is god awful it just started for crying out loud! look the British army says the Ajax will be in serves in 2040 but the Boxer will be a full fleet in 2030 what vehicle has had less problems over the last cupel of years because I can say with confides its not the Boxer the Ajax has been a waste of money time and recourses and the only way to see if it can come back from that is to keep it going which is still not good! (sorry didn't mean to make this long)
@@dalejrose1287 yeah no the Ajax is meant not only to replace the CVRT fleet but all so the warrior fleet and the Boxer and Ajax will then work together but Ajax’s is still in testing and no production variance exist only the prototypes and the Boxer hasn’t even left the production line yet got a lloonngg time to wait 😢
thats more than the UK produced over the last 17 years. there is just no basis to build upon and all a fresh start. The UK has not build anything armored since 2004. You simply lack the facilities and personnel for a larger production or even domestic developement.
Not quite true we still have the plants , expertise , and capability from weapons to Hull, but the uk industry has become too fragmented. Mainly lt because we have allowed industry to be bought out by foreign companies and poor hovt planning
623 doesn't seem like many. Look at how many armoured vehicles Ukraine is using right now and they are still asking for more. You need at least a couple of thousand of those when you are at war, if not more. Peace time budget cuts can't be reversed in the event of a war, it takes a very long time to reverse this downward spiral. This is absolute madness when you can see what Putin is doing right now and you can see that China is expending it's military.
@@ackerkartoffel8627 Jaaaaa, ist schön mit der Feuerkraft des Puma verfügbar - IFV-RCT30 - leider von unser Regierung bis jetzt nicht bestellt. Die 40 mm CT40 vom Warrior war noch Besser
@@jonathanwebb8307 Naja die sache ist das Hardkill nutzt halt ein Radar, was wiederrum viel energie braucht, und das ist eher einen sache für kampfpanzer da das schon eine stärkere stromversorgung gegeben ist Ich meine mit "Heavy IFV" sowas wie den israelischen Merkava, den chinesischen VN20, oder den russusche T-15. Bei einem 60 tonnen HIFV der auf basis einen Kampfpanzers gebaut wurde sollte das mit ner stärkeren stromversorgung funktionieren
Yes there are a number of factories producing ammunition . In fact on this channel about three months ago they were at one which produces bullets of NATO calibre at the rate of 1 million per day
Gorgeous Vehicle! Funny that the Germans went for flexibility, as they are normally the very opposite. But the military can be different as I learned! Good choice.
So where are all the rest getting built ? there seems to be confusion on the numbers also . £2.8 billion for 523 boxers or 623 boxers ( first batch ? ) , there was also a report from the NAO stating the British Army had a requirement for 1305 boxers and funding was only in place for 1016 boxers which seems a huge number for the 5 mechanised battalions , just as an example just under 800 warriors was enough to equip 8-9 infantry battalions .
So as far as I know 523 was the original order for £2.8bn. That was to work along side a life extended warrior and was more of a mastiff type replacement. With warrior cancelled the order was quickly increased to 623. 1016 and 1305 are plans rather than orders and I imagine highly subject to change. There is a second UK site in Stockport as well as some being built in Germany.
Good to see they are using our veterans for the production.
I've been out of the Army 20 years this May, and the new vehicles in service now look amazing 👏
"new"..... have been in combat service with the german army since 2011....the UK is just 14 years late to the party
The German army by all
Accounts is hardly in the best shape either …
@@strippins well... the Bundeswehr is not the best in shape but the Heer got equipment that is decades ahead of the UK army.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 UK looked at these in 2007 as part of a project started as TRACER way back in 1989. The project changed names e.g. SCOUT or FRES and decided on ASCOD which still isnt in service.
@@SuperChudley it was between 1996 and 2003.
But yes, the UK is setting Benchmarks on how to fail at procurement.
Similarly the Challenger 2 LEP Programme, wich only took 20 years to get moving.
I am a Dutch soldier, we use Boxers already and I've got to say: You won't be disappointed! This is a good vehicle.
So your judgment is from real war experience?
Pantsergenist?
@@bojanvukobradovic2504 Is the judgement of the airbag in your car from real crash experience?
@@donbow450 dont blow what can i say?
@@bojanvukobradovic2504 No, of course not. No-one has taken Boxers to battle yet. But they are being used in the Baltic, on missions like eFP, and perform well.
Nice to hear some positive news about the British army, let’s just hope that no one cuts corners and theirs enough of them
Instruction unclear, the budget will be cut by another 60%
@@dudududu1926 Where did you get that. Our defense spending is increasing not decreasing.
@@Steelninja77 that was a joke. Instructions unclear is a beginning of a meme. (100% sure)
Westminster will give them away
Kinda nice that the UK now builds German IFVs under licence but the dude is right: The GTK Boxer is the best.
It is fast and incredibly versatile, you can change a Boxer ambulance to a 155mm howitzer or anything in between.
There will be 2 factories producing Boxer in the UK. WFEL based in Stockport and RBSL (this video) based in Telford.
The UK alone has ordered 600+ Boxers, the more production facilities the better.
Now there is the new tracked version of the Boxer, that will add to the orders.
Is that 3 per month per factory then?
@@Scaleyback317yes,
Great, now quadruple that production rate please.
You mean 200x it? Because quadruple of nothing is still nothing.
At 3 (or 12) a year they will be 20 years outdated by the time they can be commissioned into service.
@@aenorist2431can’t you count 🤔🤷♂️
Oi mate after each part put we drink a tea and paint the british flag on the back, LONG LIVE THE QUEEN
3 x 12 is 36 per year for 1 factory.
I don’t agree that it’s positive news it will take another 7 years to fulfil the order. To the contrary it’s dreadful news and the procurement team need sacking!
So, an export market would be totally out of the question then? Any capacity in the UK to build new indigenous light armoured recce/utility vehicles that could compete with the Hummer Sabre? ...Or You could buy 4/5 of them for the price of a jackal...
He used the phrase ‘bond of trust’ - fantastic
Australia is building 325 Boxers for its army and recently contracted to build 123 extra for the German army.
are they buildung the ifv variant or the "normal" one?
@@pepe_6931 The ones for Germans will have various mission modules, from 30mm autocannons to 155mm howitzers
So the Bushrangers are made in Victoria while the Boxers with Turrets is built in Queensland
They killed all thr manufacturering in Australia. No more Toyota, Holden and the likes.
Raises a lot or questions about the quality.
@@ad.6472 No questions on quality raised when it’s Germany asking for the supply. But yeah, the Conservatives have always despised Australian industry, they have an import mentality as they’re knuckle-draggers.
It's incrediblie how modular this platform with the many modules is - transport, medic, leading, IFV, support(105mm), AA(Skyranger) and soon one of the newest 155mm howitzer the RCH-155. And there are modules from several manufacturers. So much more should be possible.
@@nathanielbugg7355 I am not sure if a turret has been made for that yet, but the capability is absolutely there
@@nathanielbugg7355 don't know if the 105 L7 will fit, but there are Boxers with 105 mm turret from the Belgian company John Cockerill.
The fact that there are modules from different companies is also very astonishing to me. I believe this will work wonders for the longevity of the vehicle.
Excellent ex UK military are involved in the build of the Boxer 👍
3 a month, well that will really show our capabilities off to our ancestors.
There is a Stockport plant to open as well , do hopefully will double to 6 a month 😅
@@Foxtrottangoabc The stockport plant is already open and building them i live near it WFEL use to be Vickers they been building armoured vehicles and repairing western tanks for years
This is one of two productions lines (RBSL and WFEL). So the total is probably 6 or more a month, so 72 a year. The UK has order over 600 boxers in total, so 2030 sounds about right for all to be delivered.
Funny thing is I thought 3 a month was alright. That's one built every 10 days
that's usually sufficient if no one is shooting at you :) Losses in peace times are usually limited to RTA's and other accidents and items which have been serviced poorly :)
i live in the uk and saw a armoured military vehicle the other day just driving the road and it was the same size as a truck hope when these new ones get fully into production i can see some of these on the road aswell
The Warrior was produced up to 3 per day!
And some companies producing 1000 toasters per day.
@@23GreyFox A toaster is slightly less complex than a modern AFV.............
Produced during the height of the cold war, exclusively in the UK. Boxers are also built in Germany.
@@teatanks6481 and in Australia. Bundeswehr has ordered boxers from Australia. Everyone works together, whoever has free capacity produces. and each army decides how many vehicles and how often they want to get - it's also about training. If you want more - you pay more money and industry builds new factory.
@@thewomble1509 Which I believe was his entire point.
The Germans are as usual bad-ass-egnineers when it comes to building bad-ass machines like these!
I must add to the 'bond of trust' statement. Spot on - really impressed this industry guy gets it. Taxpayer entrusts industry to deliver best possible affordable equipment to the troops.
I think some of you don’t understand the reason for the production rates. 36 a year, so what rate do you want? How about 100 a year. Finish in 6 year, then factory closes then what!
The reason production is slow is to keep parts and replacements available after 6 years then you got training and ammo production that needs happen too.
Think about it, the factory closed in 10 years you need to replace 10 destroyed boxers. You will not have a replacement available either you spend a fortune reopening the factory or new versions from somewhere else.
It is best to try and balance production to as close as possible the vehicle life span.
Great to hear, we need to get more factories going, rebuild our tri-services and we’re back on track
260 in total and a build rate of 3 a month?? So the Army will get the last one in 2032, no wonder the US no longer consider us a Tier 1 power!
@@doubletap-z8c hah, can’t take it back from an Argentina that has no fighters in range of the islands, no navy to speak of, and probably still using children as soldiers. honestly that’s laughable
@@pr7638 you’d think w the situation going on in Europe they’d have a bit more haste or have more locations building the same number of units per month, here’s hoping something gives them the right kick up their backside
@@doubletap-z8c Which is incorrect given the two new carriers but, more importantly, the almost complete down grading of the Argentine armed forces.
@@pr7638 Indeed but it's the lack of production capacity that is the true scandal.
do any of you live in the real world?
They're going to need to pull their fingers out on this one. In 7 years it could all be over. I'm the first to say build in Britain but when it's crunch time you have to compromise. I'd have said build half of them on the continent and half in Britain and do it as quick as you can.
The Army don't need that many as we haven't got an army anymore
Unfortunately, I believe the plan is to drag out defence procurement for as long as possible, so that when hostilities are finally over, the Government can just go back to cancelling expensive defence programs without actually finishing them.
@@tinysaxon3826 That's a separate but also serious problem. Although I suspect manpower would be the easier of the things to get sorted if we got into a war. It'd be the equipment that would take the serious time, that's why we need decent stocks in advance. Tanks, warships and so on can't be produced overnight.
@@i.jwilson2885 Sounds about right. I'm far from a lefty or a liberal but these lot even do my head in. They're useless.
@@tinysaxon3826 Smaller economies cannot support a large scale military in the long term, its part of the reason NATO has been established. Our allies can help fill holes in our force and vice versa.
Brilliant for local economy and the workforce, quality equipment as well
Rifles: fixed and updated by Heckler & Koch
APCs: made by Rheinmetall
I would rather have a German government as well. At least the Germans have decent social benefits and pensions.
Is it a problem? Problem for your soul or a problem for UKs army? I say it is an asset.
@@thegoat11111 As a German. Trust me. You don‘t.
BOXER is the best 8x8 Wheel-Tank in the world with multifunctional possibilities. We are proud that our german tank will also build in uk from experts for the british army. It is interessting to know that the german army will change the strukture of field army. In future the german army have 3 different kind of troops. 1. light combat units (like paratroopers etc.) 2. middle combat units 3. heavy combat units.
The middle combat units will only be equipped on wheel-based vehicles and the BOXER will be the main weapon system in various variants. From wheeled-IFV with a 30mm machine cannon, troop carrier and up to 155mm wheeled artillery (RCH155). It is a big change in german army but I love the new middle combat units. Powerfull and fast on wheel based BOXER.
I’ve noticed the welders running beads to validate their skills in site using German Lorch welding machines
Woah 3 a month, big numbers
Great work everyone, gotta admit would love to drive one around off-road, please build more and send some to us in NZ please! Good to hear positive news, good for jobs and businesses. UK/NZ
Buy some from the local production in Australia, they got spare capacity
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 might do that and go off road thanks!
@@quizzical342 I've sat in one in the back off road. It's amazing
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 is it like a dump truck
@@ljnouata9088 sure, its big. like every modern wheeled APC.
Thats due to the Mine Protection and off road capability.
And its better protected than the average tracked IFV
The Boxer is a clear example of what two of the mightiest nations - the UK and Germany - can achieve if they work together towards a common goal. And the common goal is evident - protect our own european realm and civilizations from the ever growing threats of tomorrow and the rise of extremism and the unpredictability of the dictators and tyrants of the East. Huge respect from your humble NATO partner - Bulgaria
You're looking in the mirror?
Boxer is a German/Dutch development....UK were Johnnie come lately, as usual. ( they couldn't got their own project working).
They produce 3 a month. They need to pump up those numbers.
We need more than just three vehicles per month. They should be achieving a minimum of 5 to 10.
It's possible they're making more than 3 per month. Always a good idea to lie about certain details. ;)
@@DanTube2010 I don't think they can lie about stuff like this. They have to be open about what they are paying and what they are getting at some point, usually in a defence council meeting.
There's a 2nd plant in Stockport to open up so hopefully at least 6 a month
Production speed is generally based on order size rather than capacity. If the order was bigger they'd build up more capacity.
hopefully they tell the german factories to seed up
Has anyone ever tried making a 10 wheeled APC?
The UK seriously need to build up their military strength, especially their Navy which has been downsized since after the Falklands War.
It’s going to be expanding, the mod confirmed that, and as far as I can tell intend to keep that promise, just taking longer than even I’m comfortable with
@@splatoonistproductions5345 expanded to what it was 10 years ago
Evil Fingers
Nah! They'll be refurbishing cruise ships to facilitate illegal immigrants.
We've got two carriers, but only enough other vessels for one carrier group. And we also have to borrow F35s from the Americans to put in them!
@@cliffordwebb3656 theyre still being delivered
Production of 3 a month is nowhere near good enough. We string out these procurements to spread the cost but it means 10 years where we'll be operating under our proposed capability. And this is a project that started in 1996! So nearly 30 years for it to first get into service and 40 before it's fully deployed. So the last unit to be equipped will receive a 'new' vehicle that should be about ready to be replaced.
With the background that Britain closed down nearly every production facilities, it's a start. The British production sector is tiny compared what it was 30 years ago.
Tax money then we milk out all we can mentality
3 are only from this factory. There's a second one in the UK and Rheinmetall also has a line producing them in Germany
3 a month doesn't sound like much, but consider that this is only secondary production, the main stuff is in Germany which outputs them much faster. At the very least it's keeping veterans employed.
Australia is supplying the Germans with 123 Boxers in an 18 month contract as well as building 325 for its own use over two years. Britain can’t match that delivery schedule.
@@seanlander9321 but we don't need to, the point isn't shifting to domestic production it's about providing jobs to veterans while also benefitting the total vehicle count.
Good news ..More Money for the Armed Forces and more Manafacturing in the UK 🇬🇧
Looks a brilliant bit of kit
Always liked the Boxer, aesthetically beyond it's versatility
Nice to see you are now keeping up with germanys standards rather than the USA.
It's funny because you believe what you said.
That's funny because that is basically a Stryker. A US vehicle that is near twenty years old.
@@nospoon4799 no it is not. Its nearly double the size and has proper IFV protection
F22 is better than anything the Germans can produce
@@nospoon4799 You just disqualified yourself from any discussion about the topic, my friend
I would like to thank the British people for helping Ukraine out.
Thank you I have had my hours cut at work because of this stupid war and can NO longer do anything for the air ambulance to help other people !
Its a hard life Richard..
Slava Ukrani!!
@@RJM1011 The ‘stupid war’ is started and waged by Putin. He wants to invade Europe, and we’re not far away from Europe. Russia is more or less an adversary to the UK and its allies.
Inflation and oil prices are going up internationally, and you can blame that on Putin’s agenda.
So get a grip…
By causing a war?
The British people are living off food banks
that welding two pieces together looks like welding practice to me =P
Boxer has a massive advantage over Ajax -- it works and is fit for purpose.
The Ajax debacle is really mind blowing. The uk didn't even developed a new vehicle but decided to take a matured platform wich has been in service for up to 3 decades (ascod) and slightly modify it. And still they messed that up
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Yes. UK should either buy military off-the-shelf, or have a nationally-owned capacity to design and manufacture armoured vehicles, which would be given continual orders. Of course, for ideological reasons the government are against nationalised industries.
So if they wanted Ascod, they should have bought it as-is, not sought to gold-plate everything.
@@fizzyb00t lets put it like this: with BREXIT this ship has sailed and the UK will be relegated to license taker not license maker...^^
Let's hope it all goes well 🤞🏻
I think they will be building well past 2030. West needs 100s of these.
Stronger together!
Three a month? You guys been paying attention as to what’s going on in the world right now?
A reasonable response and I'd be happy to have a response from the decision makers on that one.
Excellent.
In Forces News We Trust
Go Britain!
How many years has it been since the British pulled out of the Boxer programme? Now we decide to go back in.
withdraw in July 2003 / March 2018 it was announced by the UK government that it was re-joining the Boxer programme, and in April 2018 it was announced that Boxer had been selected by the British Army to meet its Mechanized Infantry Vehicle (MIV) requirement. No details relating to quantity, cost, timeline or any contractual status was given. Basically they did nothing and are just buying the one that they partially build ... Artec had signed agreements with UK suppliers, this contributing to the fact that 60% by value of the MIV contract will be done in Britain, along with final assembly of the MIVs at facilities already owned by the consortium. Could have been better .
So what's the problem? Would you rather have it that the UK were too stupid to realize they'd made a mistake and were to too up their own arses to admit it and then try to rectify it?
Glad our government has recognized the error and given permission for the MOD procurement teams to put it right.
We need to step up production
I always thought Telford was in Shropshire, not the West Midlands Must had got it wrong then
That is ridiculous, the first production ones will be worn out by the time the last are delivered.
We need at least twice or three times the number with the manpower to use them all and delivered in less than 3 years.
They'll be worn out doing what?
We'll need two or three times that number, for what?
We need delivery in less than three years, why, what's happening?
Originally, the number of vehicles was going to be 500+. When was it reduced?
@@cypeman8037
Training
Losses
War
well, you see.... that happens if you shut down your factorys in 2004, due to failing at every export bid and at every domestic developement project since 1994.
You just got no factories and trained personell to produce more and have to start from scratch.
This is building armored vehicles with training wheels and from a foreign template
@@andrewholdaway813 If they wear out in training they're not very good.
How do you lose a big thing like that? they're hard to misplace.
Is a ear expected?
the two welding in the beginning is awesome!! you know they are just doing that for the camera. If you know you know.
1:01 I think they made the ambulance a bit too small. Not sure how they're going to fit anyone inside of that.
They put the stretcher in top
At that rate it'll take until the end of the decade by the time the paltry number are all delivered.
Just look at the challenger 3 that don’t start till 2030
@@danbatesy5492 it's actually 2027
@@tankythemagnorite9855 must have made it earlier then 2030 seem a article on the the government site saying 2030 and still my point is that’s still some time away just for 148 tanks we’ll upgrades.
tell ya what, you arrange the tax hike and getting back in to power at the next election and all will be ok.
@@tankythemagnorite9855 yes I’ve just checked it is 2027 but it says from 2027 so that could mean anything from 2027 onwards.
Good to see some ex REME representatives it gives confidence that construction will e as required!
BRAVO !!!!!!
Finally allowed to build a German military vehicle in UK
The interchangeable boxes got me thinking... someone at RBSL has been watching some old thunder-birds episodes.
Great idea nevertheless.
Turreted versions with a 30 mm are needed not just with gpmg’s, 50 cals and gmg’s
Will they ALL have giant Union Jacks painted on the back?
I don't understand the move to wheeled apcs. Surely tracked are better?
wheeled are a lot faster and lighter, the wheels are only a problem if you have rough terrain, like woods with no road
Rheinmetall seem to be moving most functions except MBT and IFV to the Boxer chassis - everything that was in the past on the Leopard 1 chassis. E.g. the new Gepard is the Skyranger and the new PzH 2000 is the RCH 155. There is an obvious advantage to a common chassis in terms of maintenance. As to why they are 8-wheeled and not tracked - no idea. I always thought wheeled vehicles are quicker on roads but higher. Maybe height is less of a concern today.
Wheels are faster, tear less, lighter cheaper, easier to maintain, and the vehicle is less prone to a mobility kill, because of one chain tile gets snapped the entire chain is useless, the Lav 25 states to be still usable with 4 of 8 wheels,
The AMX-10RC and the Fnss Pars can even turn on point
Boxer has a tracked module, everything mounted on the tracked module can also be mounted on the wheeled module, and there is an ifv version of the boxer
@@philipkoene5345 KMW the one producing Leopard 1 and 2 based vehicles, but also PzH2000 and the majority of the chassis etc of Puma.
Boxer is basicly a Rheinmetall household brand.
This looks the business
Give our lads and lassies the best ,as they give theirs.
3 a month. Not nearly fast enough.
great idea.....wheres the steel coming from?
Steel foundry I'd imagine lol
From the ground
Stalin he's the man of steel.
Are you saying Britian should build vehicles made from industry ceramic?
the director speaks like the boxer is a british vehicle. Rheinmetall is through and through German.
3 a month is a disgrace and the man stands there trying to make this sound positive. We should be building 20 a month.
We need to expand production to include the tracked variant, to replace the failed AJAX IFV. Also, overall capacity needs to increase by a factor of at least double.
Now they need to set a production line for Tracked Boxer.
If there was an emergency, and you had no choice, how much beer can fit in the back?
260? Doesn't sound like enough. 🤔
I believe 300 boxers platforms are being precured
Over 600 ordered
I am glad the Britain is using the boxer and we need more of them and with the challenger 3 upgrade as well hopefully Britain can relearn how to build tanks again after losing that strategically important capability thanks to the Ajax program.
Where was the Boxer 1st designed please?
Please build them to a high standard and don't embarrass us like the Ajax has !
Don't worry, it is a German design (GTK is owned by Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann).
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 that's not going to help if the precision isn't right.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 apparently the Ajax hulls built in Spain are all slightly different. Not blaming Spain but rather the failure to manage quality by the contractor.
@@timmurphy5541 There are 600 Boxers already in use without any issues.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 the Ajax is based on an existing successful design but it didn't apparently prevent the contractors from apparently failing to build them to specification.
Coming from Strykers(RV, ICV and Dragoon) I wish I could hop on and drive a Boxer
3 a month. Wow. They're killing it. Wtf...
Do you have any idea how complex these vehicles are? It's no more just mechanical engineering, these vehicles have got a lot of electronics as well.
Britain needs to crank up the production. Germany decided to create medium heavy forces and are now surprisingly buying Boxers from Australia but it is not nearly enough! There is a lot of money to be made with the Boxer!
While a capable vehicle they are absolutely MASSIVE. They dwarf a Challenger . Also , at well over 30 tons and with 8 wheels not exactly great in the mud.
While they are massive they're a similar size to challenger.
Looks like a large Saracen from behind.
3 per month 😂😂😂
Is that it?
The army could easily lose 3 per day in a conventional war.
Then have to wait a month just to build their replacement.
I also hope some sort of surge capability is built into this product line.
As we would need much more than 3 a month during war time 😉
But we aren't at war?
It’s not war time production is it dummy?
@@x67th not yet
The companies could easily produce them faster. But this would require a far bigger order and a higher price. The UK is not in a war and will also not be at war in the foreseeable future. Therefore buying new equipment is a rare event. To prevent the losss of defense companies they slow down the delivery to keep them afloat.
In the event of a war I guess the Nummer could relatively easily get increased to 10 per day
@@gnolkenstein5527 who are we going to be with a land war wih
Produced in the Midlands?? Hopefully the quality is better than the cars which have been build there. 😁
Reportedly, Russia is producing 3 tanks a day, with plans to build another 2 tank plants. Producing 3 APCs a month just goes to show to wrong the UK government and armed forces have underestimated mass production of armour, weapons and ammunition. In this day and age, its extremely difficult to build or find funds for mass production plants.
A sober estimate is 20 tanks a month across the two Russian tank factories, and struggling at that.
Can those Boxers be produced faster? Yes, but increased production capasity must have suffikent orders . A planned production of 50 annually for a order of 300 seems about right to me
The Russians are refurbishing tanks not only building new ones so lots of old litchis being tarted up painted a bit and sent to the front
They can build 3 T90s a day the question is will they work for very long
@OleLeik
Complete blxnbs - Russia in absolutely and irredeemably incapable of getting anywhere near close to that figure for a variety of reasons. They cannot even repair or upgrade their current stocks of cold war inventory at that rate. State your source for the info please.
260 / 3 = 7.2 Years. Seriously? Sounds a bit long for delivery on the entire order.
Finally lets get to it guys! bet boxer will be better than Ajax in every way 😂
Well, it was designed by the Germans, and built and tested for over a decade, so obviously it will be better.
@@brokenpotato438 mate the Ajax isn't in serves yet and of course the Boxers production is god awful it just started for crying out loud! look the British army says the Ajax will be in serves in 2040 but the Boxer will be a full fleet in 2030 what vehicle has had less problems over the last cupel of years because I can say with confides its not the Boxer the Ajax has been a waste of money time and recourses and the only way to see if it can come back from that is to keep it going which is still not good!
(sorry didn't mean to make this long)
Ajax and boxer are for two different purposes.
Boxer is the warrior replacement and Ajax is the cvrt replacement and all its variants
@@dalejrose1287 yeah no the Ajax is meant not only to replace the CVRT fleet but all so the warrior fleet and the Boxer and Ajax will then work together but Ajax’s is still in testing and no production variance exist only the prototypes and the Boxer hasn’t even left the production line yet got a lloonngg time to wait 😢
The latest German vehicles where overcomplexified which resulted in maintainance complications
3! a month! 36! a year amazing!
thats more than the UK produced over the last 17 years.
there is just no basis to build upon and all a fresh start.
The UK has not build anything armored since 2004.
You simply lack the facilities and personnel for a larger production or even domestic developement.
Not quite true we still have the plants , expertise , and capability from weapons to Hull, but the uk industry has become too fragmented. Mainly lt because we have allowed industry to be bought out by foreign companies and poor hovt planning
3 a month , wow ...........the state of this country
read between the lines this is a riot veh
ONLY 7 years to get an existing mature vehicle into production, thats fast.
I can't say I'd trust a brunmie with my wife, but I'd certainly trust one with a welding shroud.
623 doesn't seem like many.
Look at how many armoured vehicles Ukraine is using right now and they are still asking for more.
You need at least a couple of thousand of those when you are at war, if not more.
Peace time budget cuts can't be reversed in the event of a war, it takes a very long time to reverse this downward spiral. This is absolute madness when you can see what Putin is doing right now and you can see that China is expending it's military.
welding test plates... nice
Boxer is good kit but we need an IFV version and all of them should be equiped with thermals and a hard kill APS
There is always the CV90. Not sure how many of those are built per month though.
Are you asking for a heavy IFV???
@@ackerkartoffel8627 Jaaaaa, ist schön mit der Feuerkraft des Puma verfügbar - IFV-RCT30 - leider von unser Regierung bis jetzt nicht bestellt. Die 40 mm CT40 vom Warrior war noch Besser
@@jonathanwebb8307 Naja die sache ist das Hardkill nutzt halt ein Radar, was wiederrum viel energie braucht, und das ist eher einen sache für kampfpanzer da das schon eine stärkere stromversorgung gegeben ist
Ich meine mit "Heavy IFV" sowas wie den israelischen Merkava, den chinesischen VN20, oder den russusche T-15.
Bei einem 60 tonnen HIFV der auf basis einen Kampfpanzers gebaut wurde sollte das mit ner stärkeren stromversorgung funktionieren
@@jonathanwebb8307 glaubst du nicht das 40mm overkill sind und viel munition zu lagern wichtiger ist?
More Challengers needed. Forget insurgent wars
Does Britain have any ammo production facilities anymore?
It uses 30x173 and 35x227 I think
Yes there are a number of factories producing ammunition .
In fact on this channel about three months ago they were at one which produces bullets of NATO calibre at the rate of 1 million per day
Gorgeous Vehicle! Funny that the Germans went for flexibility, as they are normally the very opposite. But the military can be different as I learned! Good choice.
They've change strategy recently as you can see by their in vision of Russia.
Huh? Flexibility is a core strengh of the german army and always was
@@philippeteranderl1669 Yes indeed. And the population is the very opposite.
@@cvdheyden well, if you say so.
@@Ash-Rain Oh little boy made a comment, wow, I am impressed.
How about getting the AJAX APC sorted first. Is this just another disaster in the offing?
Rolling down your British streets any day now !
3 a month? You need to call the A team
So where are all the rest getting built ? there seems to be confusion on the numbers also . £2.8 billion for 523 boxers or 623 boxers ( first batch ? ) , there was also a report from the NAO stating the British Army had a requirement for 1305 boxers and funding was only in place for 1016 boxers which seems a huge number for the 5 mechanised battalions , just as an example just under 800 warriors was enough to equip 8-9 infantry battalions .
So as far as I know 523 was the original order for £2.8bn. That was to work along side a life extended warrior and was more of a mastiff type replacement. With warrior cancelled the order was quickly increased to 623.
1016 and 1305 are plans rather than orders and I imagine highly subject to change.
There is a second UK site in Stockport as well as some being built in Germany.
623 Boxers, not 263 as stated.
3 a month starting from next year thats would take 7 years to produce all of them :)
There's a second factory in the UK and Rheinmetall also has a production line in Germany