Lee's guitar is hideous! It looks Army-issue... Like you should have stripes on your sleeve when you play it, and salute when the Colonel walks past the jamm
@@wizrom3046thats the thing bud, everybody loves different things! Personally I think it jaw dropping beautiful. I have the andertons/CME Gibson sg special in the same olive drab color and it's my favorite guitar to look at and play!
Apparently the internal build quality for the price is horrible. I've yet to see a review channel assess the build, though. I see them assess the quality of "cheap" stuff, but not so much the pricey stuff. Just a reminder it's all business, folks.
the problem is the guitar review channels don't know what they're looking at inside an amp, and the idea of opening it up to have a look probably doesn't even occur to them. as long as they get their cheque from Mesa to say it's a good amp, that's all they care about 🤷🏽♀ and I mean they don't sound bad.... so they think they are giving an honest review
I have an original 1967-1969 gibson falcon amp. The reverb button actually says 'reverberation ' . I got a three prong cord installed on it and the simplicity and tone of the amp is a dream . The reverb tank on the original is also more than double the size of the reissue
Cool product and cool dialogue this time - lots of wisdom tossed out in a much more relaxed vibe than so much of their content - they weren't talking over each other and nervously prioritizing a goal of brevity that detracts overall. The amps on a great the guitars were amazing the dialogue with superb this time and the plane, once again, was very pleasing to my ears.
@@bassyey yes the Stage Right 15W (mine is from Monoprice, Thomann also sells them under their brand) has a real spring reverb tank and sells for $300US.
I played through the Falcon 20 at the Gibson Garage London. I was joined by the son of a famous newsreader, who is an excellent guitar player, on the smaller Falcon. His dad joined in later. Both amps sounded really good. I’m keeping my Anderton’s bought 2x10 Magnatone but I’m interested in these. They have a vibe I like.
Hilarious how so many people are hell bent on making sure no-one else is allowed to like these amps. Also, how does this literal ripping off work versus figuratively?
I own the middle size of the 3.. the 1 x 12 Falcon. It's an excellent amp, but don't go looking for loud clean tones from it. It's a rock n roll amplifier. Well built, easy to transport, looks real dapper, and as they said, a boost pedal might be all you need to go with. I'm using a Greer Lightspeed with mine, and I'm satisfied 😎
My fist amp, Gibson 160 watt, with 4 10 inch speakers. Reverb was great, amp screamed .Paid 150$ for it, used in 1970.You need to give Pete one. I've never seen him, so excited. They sound great.
Lee and Pete were buttery on the intro jam! I love the tone on these amps. I clicked the video expecting them to be good. I didn't anticipate that I'd want one... but here we are
I cant afford any of this stuff im just here for the good times and 2 great chaps. That green les paul custom is beautiful…but even more beautiful was the intro jam, well done chaps.
I’m my! This LOOKS exactly like my 1995 crate vintage club vc5212. The knobs. The power switch and standby. The vinyl. The gold backplate. Top mounted controls.
Sound pretty damn good to me! Usually I’m not impressed with hardly any tube amp videos! Carr, none of them just blow me away! The sound of these kinda caught my ear! I don’t know!
Great tones from both of you! That olive Les Paul is so cool. The amp is just frosting on the cake. With all of the controversy over gear prices, at the end of the day, Gibson knows what they’re doing.
Ya think? Had an lab7 combo, same as BB King. Made by Moog, Gibson and some other i dont remember, didnt like the 2x12's in the combo, took a 4x12 cab by9 Marshall and retired my killer all valve 100w Marshall head, prime guitar was Gibson 335 Never sounded better. An Digital Gibson/Moog called Lab series, this 2x12 was lab7. Drawbacks, you had to play at really high volyme before it started to sing. Thats an killer rig.
@@jmtrainz2582 Heard that too, the build isnt made to last I got alot of amps, some 50 years old, that still sound nice, ok some had an real check up But theese amps arent made for 50 years
@@fixedgear37 Aww mr fixedgear broke down and cried, how couls anyone critisize gibson or have an opinion other than him? Therefore he had to go to personalattack and order his thruth...😆
Extremely nice jam in The start guys. Really nice!. We all know DP has a cool vibe, but The captain?? What can I say. Followed you since the first videos in the start with the chappers. Your feel, 6:53 the touch - just beautiful 😀😀😀
I own both tube amps and modeling amps, as well as the most traditional speaker cabinets with Celestion Vintage 30s inside. However, I must say that this whole debate is completely irrelevant because modeling and solid-state technology are the future. Modeling or solid-state amps, even the inventor of Dumble himself (a bit before his death), when asked if transistor amps would ever be as good as tube amps, responded that the question wasn't if it would happen but when. He emphasized that one day someone would make a transistor amp that sounds exactly like a tube amp, and given the way the market is evolving, I believe we are not far from that point. Even without considering that, basic modeling today is already excellent. Take anyone and blindfold them, and no one can tell the difference. Unfortunately, musicians often rely too much on their eyes instead of their ears. ( Most by the way jackoff way to much on gear all the time ( wether it’s new or vintage it’s the same ) instead of really playing guitar but that another debate) In any case, for guitar, the trend is to build things that are always lighter, better, more practical, simpler, and more intuitive. Even the country of origin hardly matters anymore because you can find quality in Europe, Asia, and even China, which wasn't known for quality products, is now able to copy or even surpass some American brands. We must recognize that American quality has significantly degraded, while Japanese quality remains stable at a high level. So, things are changing for the better.
I could not disagree more! While the audio quality of modelling amps is improving day-by-day, ALL modelling amps share the same problem. They are unrepairable, throw away items. They all run on proprietary chipsets, that are changed remarkably often to updated designs, and in many cases, they use Class-D amplifier modules which are also updated regularly. The result is that when something inevitably goes pop, they are impossible to repair. If the processor fails, the manufacturer won't sell a replacement chipset, as they've moved on several iterations, and made the old chipsets "No Longer Available" (NLA). Likewise, if the amplification side goes out, the Class-D module you'd need to repair it is NLA. This has already been seen in the Audio community, with Bang & Olufsen, who released their first Class-D powered amplifier in (iirc) 2003, and it was NOT a cheap purchase (it's B&O, they don't do cheap). 15 years later, the amplifier modules started failing catastrophically, and repair techs started contacting B&O, trying to find replacement modules, only to be told they were NLA, and that the only option for replacements was scavenging parts from other B&O amps of the same model & year - parts that were just as likely to fail in the near future as they were to live, due to being 15 years old... As for valve amps, they are nearly infinitely repairable. Valves are going nowhere, as the demand is still high enough to justify multiple manufacturers making them. Resistors, capacitors, relays and other components are easily available from any electronics supply company. Transformers are still being made, and are only really wire wrapped around pieces of iron, so are unlikely to go anywhere soon. Heck, even a complete pcb meltdown isn't a terminal failure, as it is possible to build valve amps entirely without pcb's. Ok, you'll almost certainly lose features if you go that route, but you might well improve your tone - just ask Matchless. The other problem with digital modelling is, well, it's in the name. Modelling. You can have the most accurate digital model of an amp ever made, but it will just be that. A Model. Yes, nobody will be able to tell the difference between the model and the original amp, and yes it will be much more convenient to lug around, but, it will also be unable to create a new sound. Valve amps create new sounds constantly - valves age, transformers get hot, components drift in value, players try things that are totally unpredictable, etc. Digital amps are inherently limited, and if you overload them, they REALLY don't like it, usually reacting by either going silent (the "I'm not taking that" response), or by letting the blue smoke that all electronics run on out. Valve amps aren't so limited, in fact MOST OF WHAT GUITARISTS LIKE is the sound of valves being abused. The sound of the electric guitar is built on the sound of Valves being pushed beyond their design limits and distorting the signal in interesting ways. Yes, they are heavy, yes, they get hot, yes, they need regular maintenance and replacement valves, but, they also inspire, they also react in unexpected ways, and they constantly create new sounds (usually while going wrong in some subtle/not-so-subtle way). Between the inspiration valve amps create in musicians, and the ability for them to be repaired, the valve amplifier will still be going strong when every one of today's digital amps are languishing in a landfill somewhere, or gone to the great recycler in the sky...
Nice Southern Rock feel on that intro. Very nice! The amps sound majestic to my ears, but do they offer anything their, lower priced, competition, offers? I don't think so. We live in an age of an abundance of quality gear and relatively low prices, so why would I drop a big wad of cash on a reincarnation of the Falcon? Well I wouldn't, some might, but I wouldn't. These amps will become a mainstay in many studios, but for gigging musicians trying to put food on the table by playing live, these amps miss the mark by a sizeable margin. But I do love that intro!!!
Well needless to say I would have to play a number of different amps and weight the cost and the sound. For a gigging musician, I have to make concessions. My assertion was my point of view.
Apart from Peter's noodling which is always a pleasure to listen to, can someone tell me what's going on with Gibsons' absolutely ridiculous pricing? What on earth are they trying to do at the moment? Completely ostracise themselves from their existing customer base ? Taking other manufacturers to court, retailing an Epiphone for over a grand? Retailing a 5w 1x10 for nearly £1700? I wouldn't mind if the products they churned off the production line were worthy of each retail price point. But when you look at the components, the finishing and the QC, I am completely perplexed at the Company rationale right now. And yes, I am a Gibson guitar owner before anyone starts to pipe up.
@@TheTapMusic Mine are third and fourth hand at best. I suspect delusions of grandeur have infected the board. And let's be honest here, is there a LP that does not need some modification to keep the damn thing in tune? 😏🙄
Capitalism lol. If people will pay, they’ll meet the demand. Fully going for the ‘we are GIBSON’ approach, playing into big IP and absurd pricing to try to proclaim themselves at ‘the top’.
Fantastic review of amazing new amp....2k for an amp only hard core studio owner are going to cough up that. I will gladly download the sim next week lol,,, Lee and Pete you keep us all striving for THAT tone... Love Y'All
12:45 You can have a Class-A push-pull amp. The Vox AC-15 and AC-30 are Class-A Push-Pull amps. And Crate did it with the Palomino V16 and V32. My Crate V16 uses two EL84's, but I use the Russian "vibration proof" NOS industrial tube EL84 equivalents. They have 8 volt heaters, but the standard 6.3 volt supply is hasn't failed me yet for several years now. At least on this amp. I can think of amps I wouldn't try the mismatch supply.
No they aren't the vox style power section that many people use is class a/b cathode biased push pull, it was just mislabelled as class A as marketing in the 90s, its been debunked 1000s of times.
+1. I know nothing about the Vox but you can defo have Class A push-pull amplification. The class of the biassing and the configuration of the output stages are two different things.
@@MikeDavies621 Yes you can but the whole point of a push pull configuration is to increase efficiency and true class A isn't good at this because its passing 100% of the signal 100% for each tube. The only class A multiple tube guitar amps I am aware of are parallel single ended like the laney lionheart. Most vox and vox derivative power sections (matchless, bad cat, tophat, etc etc) are class ab push/pull configuration, usually cathode biased high enough that most of the signal is in both tubes most of the time, so at under certain conditions (low volumes) they may run class A but not always. So while theoretically you can have class a push pull easily, not many guitar amps are designed like this because if you were going to bother putting in a phase splitter you may as well increase efficiency by making it class a/b.
I want to love these amps, and they do sound great. But they are charging boutique prices for Little Bo Peep components, seems like a lot of style over substance with their amp efforts... but love you guys, and if somebody wants one and can afford it, then buy it.
I absolutely love the tone of my Falcon 20. My only complaint was the audible fan noise at low volumes. A $16 replacement off of Amazon, a screwdriver, and about 30mins: problem solved. I’m not ot sure why Gibson cheaped out on that part?
In the 60's when I was learning and using a beginner National amp I decided to buy my first real amp, lol. I tried all the Gibson amps but bought a mint used black face Fender Super Reverb that blew the Gibson's out of the water. It was no contest the Fender was unbelievably better!!!
You know "the Fender was unbelievably better" but you don't know that the plural of a proper noun is not formed using an apostrophe. It is 'Gibsons', not 'Gibson's'. But since the vast majority of comments I've seen here are from what appear to be near-illiterate idiots, I guess the members of your club don't know enough to mind.
You can have class A with any number of tubes. It can also be either single ended or push pull and still class A. Only limitation would be that you can't do AB or B with less than two. Well technically you can but it wouldn't serve its purpose as an audio amplifier.
I'm torn between the Falcon 20 with a 12" or the Dual Falcon 20 with 2 10" Speakers! I had a recent score and could get either! I always wants a Fender Vibroverb and the dual 20 is similar but hand wired and class A! I rarely use pedals and these amps hardly need them! I had that original Gibson Falcon 20 it was the same you see Sister Rosetta Thorpe used but had no Reverb and stupidly sold it when I was short on money many years ago! The harmonics that came out of that amp were incredible!
Can you guys do un-edited versions of your videos so we can watch them after 10.00pm and our kids won't see them 😬, then we can hear what you say when we get the bleeped out parts with the coloured vertical stripes 😂. You fellas are sounding better each time I hear you play together. And I was starting to hear a bit of ZZ Top coming out when Pete was playing the 335
Hey Lee! You guys there should do a pedal platform amp review. Set up a range of budget mid and expensive pedals to give folks an idea about what amps in all price ranges would suit them best. Oh and use a range of guitars in those price points or just use sub $600 guitars as more people own less expensive guitars.
These sound pretty good, but I think even 20 watts wouldn’t have enough headroom for me. I play clean a lot of the time, and I don’t mean “clean-ish”, although that’s great for blues and some rock, but if I’m playing country or jazz I need it really clean, with enough volume to get ovet the drummer. Back in the late ‘60s, when I played pretty much rock and blues, I had a blackface Fender Bandmaster that I ran cranked, and controlled the amount of drive with the guitar. At forty watts it was just barely enough, and when I switched to a Fender Twin around 1970, I lost the ability to get crunchy at any level short of deafening. But a Twin Reverb is my idea of a great clean amp, only I can’t lift one anymore! These days I use channel-switching amps-I have a Quilter, which is a great little amp, but it won’t go as loud as a Twin. Luckily I don’t need it to!
Not at all similar in any way. The original would probably be cheaper if you can find one and it would suit your needs much better once properly sorted out. Much better options out there for waaaaaaaay less money.
I think they sound freaking fantastic. I get that the TH-cam echo chamber is stuck on the "hate Gibson" feedback loop, but I think everyone who says these are overpriced are suffering from that malady. I am not saying that Gibson doesn't charge a whole helluva premium for most of their products, but at the price point and considering what's on offer from their competition it's fairly reasonable in my book. At any rate I will let the chorus of poor musicians who think everything ought to be affordable for them no matter how they manage their own personal finances to resume it's continuing cacophony of belly aching.
Hearing the intro I wondered if this was a budget amp, possibly even hybrid, then I saw the price tag. Maybe its the jensen but its the bad splatty until it really distorts and I love fuzzes and that sound but I dont know, it sounds like a pignose or a peavey decade. Cool sounds but not for more than a few hundred dollars mine several thousand.
$5700+ in Australia, for an amp designed by Mesa Boogie techs... with a Gibson logo.
Yeahnaa
Ah yes, the old "Having the nicest beaches" tax.
🤠
Jesus. Imagine spending that much for an amp that doesnt even sound that good in the first place
if you get the green les paul too its $24,000 aud rig hope they throw in a free lead and strap and pick
@@bladeoflucatiel Sounds great to me.
I've got a Falcon 20 on loan from the Gibson Garage in town, it's absolutely fantastic.
Nice try psyop.
I’d love to try one!
@@jerrymartinez2160 🤣
The Gibson that Lee is playing is beautiful, that is the best part of this video.
Well yes, they are using pedals. I would have preferred a truer sound!
Lee's guitar is hideous!
It looks Army-issue...
Like you should have stripes on your sleeve when you play it, and salute when the Colonel walks past the jamm
@@wizrom3046 Yeah, but it's only 10k pounds. What do you expect, a AAA flame top?
@@wizrom3046thats the thing bud, everybody loves different things! Personally I think it jaw dropping beautiful. I have the andertons/CME Gibson sg special in the same olive drab color and it's my favorite guitar to look at and play!
@@jmabs5096 Thank you for your service
That olive LP Custom looks and sounds amazing.
Pete need an pink or purple one
Looks fugly to me.
Yeah, it sounds great but it looks horrible
Real nice smooth playing on the intro boys
Apparently the internal build quality for the price is horrible. I've yet to see a review channel assess the build, though. I see them assess the quality of "cheap" stuff, but not so much the pricey stuff. Just a reminder it's all business, folks.
Check out Brad's Guitar Garage review of these. It's pretty funny.
@@jenniferlawrence2701 Thanks Jennifer, Brad's a funny bugga!!
The price is bad, but the fact they try to pretend it's handwired is what makes it insulting...
the problem is the guitar review channels don't know what they're looking at inside an amp, and the idea of opening it up to have a look probably doesn't even occur to them. as long as they get their cheque from Mesa to say it's a good amp, that's all they care about 🤷🏽♀ and I mean they don't sound bad.... so they think they are giving an honest review
@@dustinthiessen WOW!
Crazy money. When low to medium power amps cost $2k, this helps sell Katana Artist and Katana 100, Boss Nextone, and Blackstar amps.
I want the Les Paul that Lee is using. Love it.
For just 8999 £ it’s yours 😊
@@jock8113 haha, yeah not gonna happen. 😂
I don't see it in stock at their site...
found it...
@@johne.1011 there's also an Oxblood version. Took me a while to find it.
I have an original 1967-1969 gibson falcon amp. The reverb button actually says 'reverberation ' . I got a three prong cord installed on it and the simplicity and tone of the amp is a dream . The reverb tank on the original is also more than double the size of the reissue
Cool product and cool dialogue this time - lots of wisdom tossed out in a much more relaxed vibe than so much of their content - they weren't talking over each other and nervously prioritizing a goal of brevity that detracts overall. The amps on a great the guitars were amazing the dialogue with superb this time and the plane, once again, was very pleasing to my ears.
GOOD: real spring reverb, no inbuilt digital effects, Jensen speaker
BAD: everything else
maybe a Creamback would be nice?
As if real spring reverb is special these days. Cheap amp have real spring reverbs nowadays. IIRC, one model of monoprice amp have real spring reverb.
@@bassyey not special but definitely preferable.
The price is disrespectful 😢
@@bassyey yes the Stage Right 15W (mine is from Monoprice, Thomann also sells them under their brand) has a real spring reverb tank and sells for $300US.
Sweet baby Jesus, this green Les Paul is just pure perfection!
Gorgeous classic tones in the intro jam! 😎
The harmonic overdrive sounds glorious and sublime!
This intro is absolutely fantastic guys.
bEST INTRO YET!
I played through the Falcon 20 at the Gibson Garage London. I was joined by the son of a famous newsreader, who is an excellent guitar player, on the smaller Falcon. His dad joined in later. Both amps sounded really good. I’m keeping my Anderton’s bought 2x10 Magnatone but I’m interested in these. They have a vibe I like.
That was me
Thank you for making these videos with Pete. Both amps sounds beautiful and that Custom looks stunning!
Gibson ripps u off, man. Literally
Hilarious how so many people are hell bent on making sure no-one else is allowed to like these amps. Also, how does this literal ripping off work versus figuratively?
@@pepmasters-999 be happy with ur grammatical explanation bc with these amps - u won't.
I own the middle size of the 3.. the 1 x 12 Falcon. It's an excellent amp, but don't go looking for loud clean tones from it. It's a rock n roll amplifier. Well built, easy to transport, looks real dapper, and as they said, a boost pedal might be all you need to go with.
I'm using a Greer Lightspeed with mine, and I'm satisfied 😎
My fist amp, Gibson 160 watt, with 4 10 inch speakers. Reverb was great, amp screamed .Paid 150$ for it, used in 1970.You need to give Pete one. I've never seen him, so excited. They sound great.
Lee and Pete were buttery on the intro jam! I love the tone on these amps. I clicked the video expecting them to be good. I didn't anticipate that I'd want one... but here we are
Ya just can't beat the sweet sound of a valve amp and a real spring reverb.
I cant afford any of this stuff im just here for the good times and 2 great chaps. That green les paul custom is beautiful…but even more beautiful was the intro jam, well done chaps.
I’m my! This LOOKS exactly like my 1995 crate vintage club vc5212. The knobs. The power switch and standby. The vinyl. The gold backplate. Top mounted controls.
And it’s built the same! Lol
The Olive drab lp custom is cool looking. I love that color with that patina.
I love my Falcon 5!! Sounds great on its own. Blends soo beautifully with my AC15 in a stereo setup. Couldn’t be happier with it.
Nonce.
I see people posting about the cost, but I think Gibson should be applauded for putting these amps out at Epiphone pricing
eh??
1700 pounds for the cheapest, this is not Epiphone prices.
Gibson Falcon you say?...I love these amps! I do wish they were a bit less expensive but I will still probably get one. Great sounding little amps!
That green LP is tasty
Sound pretty damn good to me! Usually I’m not impressed with hardly any tube amp videos! Carr, none of them just blow me away! The sound of these kinda caught my ear! I don’t know!
Those are extremely great sounding amps. Aural excitement this way comes!
Great tones from both of you! That olive Les Paul is so cool. The amp is just frosting on the cake. With all of the controversy over gear prices, at the end of the day, Gibson knows what they’re doing.
L3, L5, L9 ....they made a lot of cool solid state amps in the 80s
Dear Lord boys…burning down the place with that intro playing!! And the Custom Shop Gibsons 🔥🔥🔥
I wish Pete would not talk over other people. Wait your turn!
Ooo they've made Fender Tweeds! Good idea!
Ya think? Had an lab7 combo, same as BB King.
Made by Moog, Gibson and some other i dont remember, didnt like the 2x12's in the combo, took a 4x12 cab by9 Marshall and retired my killer all valve 100w Marshall head, prime guitar was Gibson 335
Never sounded better. An Digital Gibson/Moog called Lab series, this 2x12 was lab7.
Drawbacks, you had to play at really high volyme before it started to sing.
Thats an killer rig.
they aren’t they are based on the Gibson amps from roughly 1959-61’
and the quality is shit
@@jmtrainz2582
Heard that too, the build isnt made to last
I got alot of amps, some 50 years old, that still sound nice, ok some had an real check up
But theese amps arent made for 50 years
@@PXR5-PXR5is you TV handwired and made for 50 years? Stop crying about handbuilt. It just isn’t a thing anymore.
@@fixedgear37
Aww mr fixedgear broke down and cried, how couls anyone critisize gibson or have an opinion other than him? Therefore he had to go to personalattack and order his thruth...😆
That opening jam was killer. Loved it.
Pete & Lee sound like they've been listening to the Black Crowes lately - great intro jam!
Friedman classic series amps in this price range would be my choice, he’s got the skills
Amp branding has to match headstock branding price
i loved the Velocette twin by Trace elliot. Gibson bought them, changed the name, made a few then they eventually stopped making them. Cracking amps
Nice one, guys! Sound great... very pricey though, but wouldn't have expected anything else when that Gibson logo has been thrown on there! Cheers
Extremely nice jam in The start guys. Really nice!. We all know DP has a cool vibe, but The captain?? What can I say. Followed you since the first videos in the start with the chappers. Your feel, 6:53 the touch - just beautiful 😀😀😀
my god man that intro is tear jerking good !!!!
I own both tube amps and modeling amps, as well as the most traditional speaker cabinets with Celestion Vintage 30s inside. However, I must say that this whole debate is completely irrelevant because modeling and solid-state technology are the future.
Modeling or solid-state amps, even the inventor of Dumble himself (a bit before his death), when asked if transistor amps would ever be as good as tube amps, responded that the question wasn't if it would happen but when. He emphasized that one day someone would make a transistor amp that sounds exactly like a tube amp, and given the way the market is evolving, I believe we are not far from that point.
Even without considering that, basic modeling today is already excellent. Take anyone and blindfold them, and no one can tell the difference. Unfortunately, musicians often rely too much on their eyes instead of their ears. ( Most by the way jackoff way to much on gear all the time ( wether it’s new or vintage it’s the same ) instead of really playing guitar but that another debate)
In any case, for guitar, the trend is to build things that are always lighter, better, more practical, simpler, and more intuitive.
Even the country of origin hardly matters anymore because you can find quality in Europe, Asia, and even China, which wasn't known for quality products, is now able to copy or even surpass some American brands. We must recognize that American quality has significantly degraded, while Japanese quality remains stable at a high level.
So, things are changing for the better.
I could not disagree more! While the audio quality of modelling amps is improving day-by-day, ALL modelling amps share the same problem. They are unrepairable, throw away items. They all run on proprietary chipsets, that are changed remarkably often to updated designs, and in many cases, they use Class-D amplifier modules which are also updated regularly.
The result is that when something inevitably goes pop, they are impossible to repair. If the processor fails, the manufacturer won't sell a replacement chipset, as they've moved on several iterations, and made the old chipsets "No Longer Available" (NLA). Likewise, if the amplification side goes out, the Class-D module you'd need to repair it is NLA.
This has already been seen in the Audio community, with Bang & Olufsen, who released their first Class-D powered amplifier in (iirc) 2003, and it was NOT a cheap purchase (it's B&O, they don't do cheap). 15 years later, the amplifier modules started failing catastrophically, and repair techs started contacting B&O, trying to find replacement modules, only to be told they were NLA, and that the only option for replacements was scavenging parts from other B&O amps of the same model & year - parts that were just as likely to fail in the near future as they were to live, due to being 15 years old...
As for valve amps, they are nearly infinitely repairable. Valves are going nowhere, as the demand is still high enough to justify multiple manufacturers making them. Resistors, capacitors, relays and other components are easily available from any electronics supply company. Transformers are still being made, and are only really wire wrapped around pieces of iron, so are unlikely to go anywhere soon. Heck, even a complete pcb meltdown isn't a terminal failure, as it is possible to build valve amps entirely without pcb's. Ok, you'll almost certainly lose features if you go that route, but you might well improve your tone - just ask Matchless.
The other problem with digital modelling is, well, it's in the name. Modelling. You can have the most accurate digital model of an amp ever made, but it will just be that. A Model. Yes, nobody will be able to tell the difference between the model and the original amp, and yes it will be much more convenient to lug around, but, it will also be unable to create a new sound. Valve amps create new sounds constantly - valves age, transformers get hot, components drift in value, players try things that are totally unpredictable, etc.
Digital amps are inherently limited, and if you overload them, they REALLY don't like it, usually reacting by either going silent (the "I'm not taking that" response), or by letting the blue smoke that all electronics run on out.
Valve amps aren't so limited, in fact MOST OF WHAT GUITARISTS LIKE is the sound of valves being abused. The sound of the electric guitar is built on the sound of Valves being pushed beyond their design limits and distorting the signal in interesting ways. Yes, they are heavy, yes, they get hot, yes, they need regular maintenance and replacement valves, but, they also inspire, they also react in unexpected ways, and they constantly create new sounds (usually while going wrong in some subtle/not-so-subtle way).
Between the inspiration valve amps create in musicians, and the ability for them to be repaired, the valve amplifier will still be going strong when every one of today's digital amps are languishing in a landfill somewhere, or gone to the great recycler in the sky...
I love my Falcon 20, it get so dirty and fuzzy, I need to try the new Dual and see if I need to upgrade or not.
Great playing Pete and great demo
Nice Southern Rock feel on that intro. Very nice!
The amps sound majestic to my ears, but do they offer anything their, lower priced, competition, offers? I don't think so.
We live in an age of an abundance of quality gear and relatively low prices, so why would I drop a big wad of cash on a reincarnation of the Falcon? Well I wouldn't, some might, but I wouldn't. These amps will become a mainstay in many studios, but for gigging musicians trying to put food on the table by playing live, these amps miss the mark by a sizeable margin.
But I do love that intro!!!
What amp would you recommend that has same tones?
Well needless to say I would have to play a number of different amps and weight the cost and the sound. For a gigging musician, I have to make concessions. My assertion was my point of view.
Apart from Peter's noodling which is always a pleasure to listen to, can someone tell me what's going on with Gibsons' absolutely ridiculous pricing? What on earth are they trying to do at the moment? Completely ostracise themselves from their existing customer base ? Taking other manufacturers to court, retailing an Epiphone for over a grand? Retailing a 5w 1x10 for nearly £1700? I wouldn't mind if the products they churned off the production line were worthy of each retail price point. But when you look at the components, the finishing and the QC, I am completely perplexed at the Company rationale right now. And yes, I am a Gibson guitar owner before anyone starts to pipe up.
No idea; there’s definitely better deals elsewhere, for both guitars and amps. All my Gibsons are secondhand. No way I’d pay retail
They do this with their guitars already, why would be surprised when they do it with an amp
@@evaunitzero1 Try reading the complete comment before trapping off..
@@TheTapMusic Mine are third and fourth hand at best. I suspect delusions of grandeur have infected the board. And let's be honest here, is there a LP that does not need some modification to keep the damn thing in tune? 😏🙄
Capitalism lol. If people will pay, they’ll meet the demand.
Fully going for the ‘we are GIBSON’ approach, playing into big IP and absurd pricing to try to proclaim themselves at ‘the top’.
That Les Paul with the amp sounds like the "Who Live at Leeds" sound. Awesome.
Finally an episode with good sounding budget gear. ;-)
wow that olive Les Paul is AMAZING!!!!
This is a good sounding amp. I can't deny it, even though I am more of a heavy genre guy.
Played a SG with flats thru one and it was AMAZING
Fantastic review of amazing new amp....2k for an amp only hard core studio owner are going to cough up that. I will gladly download the sim next week lol,,, Lee and Pete you keep us all striving for THAT tone... Love Y'All
These amps are definitely overrated, but sims and digital in general sucks.
The Staple olive custom is the business
12:45 You can have a Class-A push-pull amp. The Vox AC-15 and AC-30 are Class-A Push-Pull amps. And Crate did it with the Palomino V16 and V32. My Crate V16 uses two EL84's, but I use the Russian "vibration proof" NOS industrial tube EL84 equivalents. They have 8 volt heaters, but the standard 6.3 volt supply is hasn't failed me yet for several years now. At least on this amp. I can think of amps I wouldn't try the mismatch supply.
No they aren't the vox style power section that many people use is class a/b cathode biased push pull, it was just mislabelled as class A as marketing in the 90s, its been debunked 1000s of times.
+1. I know nothing about the Vox but you can defo have Class A push-pull amplification. The class of the biassing and the configuration of the output stages are two different things.
@@MikeDavies621 Yes you can but the whole point of a push pull configuration is to increase efficiency and true class A isn't good at this because its passing 100% of the signal 100% for each tube. The only class A multiple tube guitar amps I am aware of are parallel single ended like the laney lionheart. Most vox and vox derivative power sections (matchless, bad cat, tophat, etc etc) are class ab push/pull configuration, usually cathode biased high enough that most of the signal is in both tubes most of the time, so at under certain conditions (low volumes) they may run class A but not always. So while theoretically you can have class a push pull easily, not many guitar amps are designed like this because if you were going to bother putting in a phase splitter you may as well increase efficiency by making it class a/b.
I'll watch this again just for Lee's guitar. That guitar stole the show.
I want to love these amps, and they do sound great. But they are charging boutique prices for Little Bo Peep components, seems like a lot of style over substance with their amp efforts... but love you guys, and if somebody wants one and can afford it, then buy it.
crapola
Wow, what an outro jam!
I absolutely love the tone of my Falcon 20. My only complaint was the audible fan noise at low volumes. A $16 replacement off of Amazon, a screwdriver, and about 30mins: problem solved. I’m not ot sure why Gibson cheaped out on that part?
So I'm going to need you guys to do a proper full video on those '54 Customs... Especially the Oxblood... Absolute dream guitar for me.
Pete’s playing was awesome 🤩
In the 60's when I was learning and using a beginner National amp I decided to buy my first real amp, lol. I tried all the Gibson amps but bought a mint used black face Fender Super Reverb that blew the Gibson's out of the water. It was no contest the Fender was unbelievably better!!!
You know "the Fender was unbelievably better" but you don't know that the plural of a proper noun is not formed using an apostrophe. It is 'Gibsons', not 'Gibson's'. But since the vast majority of comments I've seen here are from what appear to be near-illiterate idiots, I guess the members of your club don't know enough to mind.
Very very curious about Pete's G-shock colloection
These look and sound great! Are they made in the states?
Yes, they made in California
You can have class A with any number of tubes. It can also be either single ended or push pull and still class A. Only limitation would be that you can't do AB or B with less than two. Well technically you can but it wouldn't serve its purpose as an audio amplifier.
Whats the songs name at 14:38?
I'm torn between the Falcon 20 with a 12" or the Dual Falcon 20 with 2 10" Speakers! I had a recent score and could get either! I always wants a Fender Vibroverb and the dual 20 is similar but hand wired and class A! I rarely use pedals and these amps hardly need them! I had that original Gibson Falcon 20 it was the same you see Sister Rosetta Thorpe used but had no Reverb and stupidly sold it when I was short on money many years ago! The harmonics that came out of that amp were incredible!
That green Les paul is stunning !!
Sounds great boys!
I love Pete's impression on high volume break up sound 😂😂 He could have done it a lot more! :D
Naught intro gents. That resonated nicely with the smooth rum I'm indulging in. X
3:45 "a company called Trace Elliot ... I don't know if you remember that"
To bass players of a certain age everywhere that is the holy name
Can you guys do un-edited versions of your videos so we can watch them after 10.00pm and our kids won't see them 😬, then we can hear what you say when we get the bleeped out parts with the coloured vertical stripes 😂. You fellas are sounding better each time I hear you play together. And I was starting to hear a bit of ZZ Top coming out when Pete was playing the 335
Hello Pete, your guitar playing is amazing!
Rock and roll 🤘 great intro guys
Hey Lee! You guys there should do a pedal platform amp review. Set up a range of budget mid and expensive pedals to give folks an idea about what amps in all price ranges would suit them best. Oh and use a range of guitars in those price points or just use sub $600 guitars as more people own less expensive guitars.
Some seriously good playing in the video.
Now thats an introduction 👏
Thanks!
Great intro, I just like to listen to that.
Now that is some good fine playing there boys
Still waiting for Gibson to bring back and update the Lab Series amps.
I want another Lab L9. Best compressor ever made, built in.
That was a lovely intro fellas.
love lee's playing, great intro.
Do they have an insane mode?
props to captain for the colour coordination
These sound pretty good, but I think even 20 watts wouldn’t have enough headroom for me. I play clean a lot of the time, and I don’t mean “clean-ish”, although that’s great for blues and some rock, but if I’m playing country or jazz I need it really clean, with enough volume to get ovet the drummer. Back in the late ‘60s, when I played pretty much rock and blues, I had a blackface Fender Bandmaster that I ran cranked, and controlled the amount of drive with the guitar. At forty watts it was just barely enough, and when I switched to a Fender Twin around 1970, I lost the ability to get crunchy at any level short of deafening. But a Twin Reverb is my idea of a great clean amp, only I can’t lift one anymore! These days I use channel-switching amps-I have a Quilter, which is a great little amp, but it won’t go as loud as a Twin. Luckily I don’t need it to!
I want a vintage Gibson GA40 for harmonica, I wonder how similar these are ?
Not at all similar in any way. The original would probably be cheaper if you can find one and it would suit your needs much better once properly sorted out.
Much better options out there for waaaaaaaay less money.
They are well over £2000
Love the intro 😊 thanks greets from Austria
Definitely getting California Tweed vibes from those!
I think they sound freaking fantastic. I get that the TH-cam echo chamber is stuck on the "hate Gibson" feedback loop, but I think everyone who says these are overpriced are suffering from that malady. I am not saying that Gibson doesn't charge a whole helluva premium for most of their products, but at the price point and considering what's on offer from their competition it's fairly reasonable in my book. At any rate I will let the chorus of poor musicians who think everything ought to be affordable for them no matter how they manage their own personal finances to resume it's continuing cacophony of belly aching.
Sounds good… ? Maybe ….. cost a lot to repair because of poor design choices. Actually though… your hearing the “pedals” not the amp. Sooo…. Ya.
In the first "Back To The Future" Marty was playing a Gibson solid state amp. I forget what it was. Years ago I was curious about it and googled it.
Someone asked me if i want a Gibson Falcon Reissue right now so i said no, but i wanted a paper weight in 4 years so i said yes.
Can you do a review of the Magnatone Baby M-80 combo? Thank-you!
These sound exceptional, however I wish I could justify one when modeling is so close and cheap nowdays...
I gotta see what Tonenet got for these on Tonex.
I just don’t get Gibson’s pricing. I guess it’s working?
That's a beautiful Les Paul Custom.
That intro was killer! When are you touring the USA?
Hearing the intro I wondered if this was a budget amp, possibly even hybrid, then I saw the price tag. Maybe its the jensen but its the bad splatty until it really distorts and I love fuzzes and that sound but I dont know, it sounds like a pignose or a peavey decade. Cool sounds but not for more than a few hundred dollars mine several thousand.