This was SO good, thanks, Chris and Demetra! I wanted to let you and the audience know that there’s a hidden facet to the origin of Barbie that adds an even deeper dimension to the parallels between Barbie and Inanna. According to M.G. Lord’s authorized biography on Barbie, Ruth Handler, the creator of Barbie (played by Rhea Perlman in the film), had for years been trying to get the male designers at Mattel to make an adult doll styled after the paper dolls her daughter played with. Then she came across exactly what she was looking for on vacation in Switzerland. "Lilli" was a German doll based on a character in a cartoon created by a man to tell "sordid, sensational stories" in keeping with the newspaper the cartoon was published in, Bild Zeitung. The character of Lilli was "a golddigger, exhibitionist, and floozy, she had the body of a Vargas Girl, the brains of Pia Zadora, and the morals of Xaviera Hollander”. (pg 25) The doll was intended "as a pornographic caricature, a gag gift for men, or even more curious, for men to give to their girlfriends in lieu of, say, flowers”. This hidden origin story for Barbie pulls on the thread of overt sexuality and subsequent disgust that Barbie inspires in so many and which any discussion of the doll (and Venus!!) must include. Children may be oblivious to the doll's sexual overtones, but adults obviously are not. Barbie is almost a carbon copy of Lilli, it’s worth googling for images of the two dolls to see it for yourself. For our purposes, this hidden origin story even speaks to the myth of Venus, because Barbie has an older sister who is an underworld figure and has been completely outshone by her younger sister, just like Inanna’s sister, Ereshkigal. But it gets better! M.G. Lord provides the date the Lilli doll was launched: August 12th, 1955, three weeks before Venus conjoined the Sun in Virgo by superior conjunction on the 1st of September. The chart for that date shows the Sun at 18 Leo and Venus at 13, just one degree away from where it stations at the end of this month. Clearly the story of Barbie the doll, if not Barbie the movie, includes the entire cycle of Venus. I’m going to argue it even lends weight to the idea that the exterior conjunction is just as likely a start of the cycle as the interior. Or, perhaps more accurately, that there can truly be no beginning, they are each the top and tail of the other, one leading to the next like a serpent eating its tail. Thanks again for such a great conversation. I never would have imagined that so many of my favorite things, Demetra, Venus, AND Barbie, would appear at the same time!!!
I listened to the podcast and now I'm watching it thorugh for the visual aids and to really understand the stages of Inanna's journey. I am two days older than Sinead O'Connor and our almost identical chart (and eerily similar interpersonal life events) have been very much on my mind lately. We both were born in the 0 stage of Venus cycle at the end of the superior conjunction in Sagittarius. I can't help thinking that starting this Venus Retrograde must have felt unbearable for Sinead. If Barbie represents the evening star's love and beauty, then Sinead represents the morning star's righteous anger, dedication to justice, and so much more.
Always love hearing from Demetra George. Also, can't help but think of the old saying "People don't have ideas, ideas have people" when speculating on the monumental coincidence of this movie's release and subject matter. Certainly seems like all relevant parties were seized by an archetype that had something to say.
This video is intense . Ive heard inannas trip into the underworld before but you guys open up many interlocking aspects of the mystery of the 8 pointed star. Absolutely brilliant. ❤❤❤
Been Re listening to the podcast even before reaching the end, to try and grasp the concepts. Here’s an eerie corroboration of 2:41:03 - I found my natal cycle began 8 days before maximum elongation as the Evening Star, and reckoned something serious must have occurred in or around the family soon after that which coincided with my becoming the serious character I am now. Then I looked around at my Honeycomb Collective almanac notes for this year so far, and discovered that I had indeed been very involved in creative and theatrical works for about 8 days when I received news of a close family friend’s death on the day of Venus’s maximum elongation in June.
So grateful Demetra & Chris. Your teaching is helping me to fully understand Venus cycles and how each person may feel when I look at a chart. Demetra was correct when she said this may resonate with us all.
Wow. I’m a little late catching up, but this was just incredible! Has to be one of your best episodes. I don't usually comment, but this really spoke to me because my Venus is rather “masculinized” by Hellenistic standards: She’s a morning star, in a masculine sign, direct and fast in motion, and above the horizon in a day chart. She’s also in detriment in Aries. The Hellenistic astrologers would have considered this quite unfortunate, especially for me as a woman. They lived in a very patriarchal culture and thought women should ideally be meek and submissive, which I most definitely am not. I have to say, it feels a lot better to be associated with an honored goddess of war and justice than to be told I’m just “too masculinized” for my own good! I have experienced some difficulties with my Venus placement, and while I won’t go into details I definitely do relate to that part of Inanna’s story, of coming to embrace her independence after feeling betrayed by someone she once loved. I actually got a little emotional listening to this because it was so affirming. This feels like a really important conversation to push back against some of the patriarchal narratives embedded in traditional astrology, and I really appreciate that you provide the space for such conversations. Thank you so much Demetra and Chris!
Inanna has been into my mind all week more prominently. One of my main teacher of her, it’s Demetra. And she has come into my life as well all week. Today I was speaking about her. This Venus retrograde its one of the most important transits of my life having just started after so many years. Thank you for this ❤
Did anyone else clock at 49:36 when they were talking about the 7 stages of venus losing light, youre talking 7 stages from 48° of the sun - if rounded up to 49° then you've got venus' 7 stages marked every 7 degrees
You are both so generous with your knowledge and passion for Astrology and Mythology. Thank you for this timely episode. I really enjoyed not only the information but the way you interacted with each other. There was a lot of respect between you and a wonderful example of a mentor / apprentice relationship. Sometimes I had to chuckle 🙂
Wow! That was so deep and illuminating. I was born in the evening phase, maximum elongation, but slowing down Venus, and wondering about the underworld has been my life journey, basically
Wow! What a beautiful, powerful podcast. It's one of my very favories. I haven't yet seen Barbie, but Now I'll get to experience it through this podcasts lens; what a gift. Thank you
Fascinating. I’ve know of Inanna since the 90’s, and am just recently learning about the Venus synodic cycle, thanks to Chris Brennan and his interviews with Demetra George and Arielle Guttman. It makes a lot of sense to consider how Inanna is represented by the Venus cycle. I look forward to learning more about where in the cycle I was born and what kinds of experiences that suggests.
@ 1:25:53 ➡️ 1:35:54 comment: I am currently studying from Liz Greene and Howard Sasportas book The Inner Planets; specifically reading the section regarding Venus. They do an excellent job of covering the contradictions of this planet and archetype, and the various cultural manifestations including but not limited to Inanna, Ishtar, Aphrodite, Venus, Kali, etc.
Hi Chris I have just started reading The World: a family history of humanity by Simon Sebag Montefiore. Act 1, Houses of Sargon and Ahmose: Ziggurats and Pyramids. Poetess, Princess, Victim, Avenger: Enheduanna. Coincidence? No. What an impact you, your show, and your guests have had in my life. Thank you will never be enough.
I loved this discussion and the Barbie movie so much. Poor everybody on this planet. Nobody can do anything perfect. Everything has a positive and a negative reflection and I love that this movie brought this to the forefront. It honestly isn't about just women because poor Ken was treated like garbage which isn't any better. But damn I love this movie for making everyone THINK about all of these juxtapositions and sad judgements all the way around! love love love
32:32 sounds like the contemplation of consciousness itself before it decides to create a place to incarnate and explore itself from different experiential perspectives
Thank you much for this brilliant discussion, which pulls so many ideas and so much information together. Much appreciated Going back to my chart now to work out where, in the synodic cycle, my evening star Venus sits
I just adore Demetra's interpretations and analysis. This video is so good. Thanks! Also, IMHO Hillman has the best explanations for archetypes, when it comes to astrology. Afterall, he is the founder of archetypal psychology,
I think an astrologer was definitely consulted for Barbie. When a bit figure like Robert Downey Jr and Cameron Diaz admits to using astrology, you can get Greta and Margot would probably have asked for guidance. I don't think they planned everything but probably had a general awareness of the timing.
Thank you SO much for such a thorough assessment of VR. It brought so much meaning and understanding to what I’ve personally been going through. During the explanation of the synodic cycle of Venus, I started to get so emotional when hearing about the inferior conjunction. I guessed that I was born between phase 5 and 6, which I was able to CONFIRM with the astroseek site you guys referenced. This was just such an in-depth, thorough and interesting video, thank you so much for all your research!!!!!!!!
This episode is absoutely fascinating, thank you both so much. For anyone interested, I looked up the first names Greta and Margot-both mean/are a reference to “pearl” which to my knowledge is a natural substance associated with Venus. The name Marilyn as far as I could tell is a combination of Mary and Lynn. Mary according to Google means “of the sea” and of course Venus came from the sea ✨
Such a great podcast. I’m sure Greta know but astrology! In 2019 in a PBS interview she said she had compared her chart to “ Little Woman” . Anyway it is still now it’s here the Barbie movie. I’m a Barbie fan as I got my first in the 60:s.💕
thank u so much!! I found that I was born when Venus was at it's brightest in the sky, I dont know what that mean but I wanna believe is a good thing. 🧚
I hear the first calls of descent. My native Venus is retrograde at 29 Leo and I resonant with Inanna’s situation at the heliacial evening set and the inferior conjunction and just this past week a skeleton relationship that left me with feelings of degradation and isolation was revisited. The stars aligned where I just so happened to run into this person. I’m constantly asking myself why I attract these illicit relationships and nothing has better answered this question than with this deeper understanding of Venus retrograde. All of the things Lady Demetra said about feelings of betrayal, hidden world of sexual mystery and taboo, issues with self worth, esteem, ability to socialize with the norm, and also the part about interest in and participation in the occult and esoteric. I appreciate this lesson, I had a ball with the Barbie movie and this archetypal alignment is uncanny collectively and personally. I’m going outside tomorrow morning to see if I can see our morning star and channel her sovereignty…maybe recite some of that poetry to Inanna…
Margot Robbie also played in a movie called "Babylon" with Brad Pitt. It is about the underbelly and destruction of Hollywood. However, I found it relevant to much more in these kinds of societies similarly depicted in Barbie it sounds like. Interesting too they are both based in L.A. and we could go on for days about that. Also, it is interesting that Libra rising charts depict the "walking contradictions" of Inanna/Ishtar, in that all the signs are in their opposite sign's house. Some astrologers have referred to this as a paradox, and others are very dismissive of it, but in order to balance the scales one must go to the other extreme sometimes, and usually as a first reaction. But over time, and perhaps through cycles of maturation, as Inanna/Ishtar's descent could also represent, one learns you don't have to go to such extremes to find balance. In fact, with the love, you can find a center to begin with. And that might be her part of the story about forgiveness. It should be noted that as some argue this, all charts sign's are in opposition to each other, but what is unique and distinct about the Libra rising chart is that they are in each other's houses, unlike any of the other charts. While with Libra it is about the other, it is also about finding autonomy in Aries, as Demetra said. She comes out independent and strong, casts her judgement, and then forgives. This would be the archetype of the sign of Libra as well. Eventually learning you can just stand in the center objectively and make loving strong decisions about relationships from a place of independence and strength, and just like Inanna did, according to each person's behavior. Boundaries. My birth name, tarot cards, and natal chart all led me to Ishtar. I am a double Libra with Moon in Taurus, but also Plutonian, which is not technically recognized Hellenistically, but gave me answers to my life to know that. So these themes between Libra, Aries, and Taurus, Scorpio are very prevalent in my chart. My Venus is 30˚ from my Sun, an evening star. I can't say I feel stuck at one particular place in the cycle, but have watched it played out over and over in various scenarios in my life.
My best friend has Venus at maximum elongation in her birth chart! She's a cancer rising, Gemini sun at 1 degrees, with Venus in Aries at 17 degrees! If anyone has insights about that I would love to hear them. I didn't know it was maximum elongation, but knew it was special to have Venus not in a sign neighboring the sun. I have always thought it speaks to her visionary nature. She started a very popular and successful shop in our city.
What a fantastic episode. Utterly fascinating. As a Venus ruled person, who got married under a venus retro (shadow period) in Leo in 99, realised there was something wrong eight years later, then experienced a sudden end another eight years later (coinciding with uranus conjunct sun in 7th transit as well), i found it incredibly insightful. Thanks.
Hey, Chris, thank you so much for all the extremely educational videos you put out! I've learned almost everything from your resources, and you are my all time teacher!! I have a request. Since you created the series of indepth discussion (different episodes each) of planets and signs, now can we get indepth videos of each house? I'm very thankful for this channel ❤.
What a fantastic episode. Love you Demetra. My natal Venus is at Leo 28.35, so this is a very special retrograde period in which I feel internally grateful... ❤
As someone with an 8th House Scorpio stellium including my Sun, Mars, Mercury and N. Node (all conjunct) also Uranus. I have always felt a strong connection to Inanna and her story. I haven't come across any archetype that is more Scorpio (in my experience)♏🌌🥰 I feel that Venus being the ruler of Taurus which is the opposite sign of Scorpio also plays into this. The 8th house being a place where we may need to release and let go of our Taurean resources and belongings, until nothing is left but our raw, true self a place where we can be reborn again into another self (after the exploration of our dark side and soul). Also interesting how Mars rules Aries with the opposite sign Libra being ruled by Venus both the Yang/Masculine expression, while the Feminine/Yin expressions are seen in Taurus/Scorpio. The Mars and Venus duality in which we must find balance ☯️ I loved this episode soooo much thank you both 🙏🌌💜
@@lisasmith3657I wouldn't doubt it 🥰 those of us with strong "bad" planets/houses/placements probably all experience the feelings of disconnection and/or melancholy that urge us to go deep, do the shadow work, and re emerge into the light. I think people like us are here to help others through that descent into the shadow self and the death of the ego that precedes the birth of a new evolved soul.
Fascinating! Is there a book you can recommend that describes the synodic cycles for all the planets? I wonder if there are more myths out there that have similar correspondences.
Great episode! Thank you! I'm also reminded a lot of the Asteroid Goddess, Ceres. I'm wondering if there's been any episodes talking about Venus and Ceres and how they relate to each other?
I find it interesting that the Women’s World Cup coincides with the Venus retrograde cycle. England (aka the Lionesses) won their quarterfinal game today, 24 hours before the Venus Cazimi in Leo. Are there any astrologers out there connecting the Venus retrograde cycle to notable moments/developments in women’s sports?
One thing I heard recently that Inanna was Sumerian and when several cities, up to 34, were taken over by Arcadia, there were similar goddess and a decision was made to amalgamate them. One woman supposedly created Ishtar which was similar to Innana, but had a few more additions from other goddess. So instead of having a local goddess, Ishtar becomes more prominent in the region and spread further abroad because of her culminating characteristics.
Many goddesses from that time were merged into Ishtar. She became the godess of practically everything on earth, cosmos, underworld, war, and all emotions but mostly positive ones like lust, love, reverence etc etc. she became the god of the Persians for a long time.
As an Angelino, I’m thrilled that LA represented the underworld and realm of Nergal and Ereshkiggal!! ❤️ 💀 ❤️ Hollywood is where people come to die and be reborn into something else for all the world to see. 🌟
@@konradbenz7110 I think you’re generalizing Hollywood too harshly. Many writers and actors are pagan and work to incorporate these myths into their art to share to the world
Do you guys know about the Ghibli film princess Kaguya (HBO max)? She is the Japanese moon goddess associated with the pieces full moon in September. A Chinese - American version of the story / holiday is in a Netflix film "over the moon". Another similar beautiful Asian legend / holiday, the Qixi festival, 8/22/23 this year, involves the fixed stars Vega and Altair. This is celebrated throughout Asia on the 7th day of the 7th lunar month (Leo) and is like Valentine's Day.
2:18:06 it’s fascinating to BE this Venus Star and hear my story as the I can read the book before, this time, to capture the lost souls split by Aquarius Neptune and Sag Pluto. And while Uranus traveled over, through as to pick up before it left off specifically the Year the Mayan Calendar Ended. This Started the “Coming to Meet Via Scorpio and Cancer Transits 2013. This Story is linked to Black Moon Lilith, Asc/DC and split by a separated Mars to its place where it finds Neptune on MC solar arc . I’m in Awe that I intuitively (Lead by the Higher Octave” in finding “my” Venus, underworld!! This is the Most Amazing way to Empower myself by Showing Scientifically and Personally, With experience between connected souls, Astrology Is Factually a Map for your Life. ❤ thank you so much for this opportunity to understand what I’m experiencing which is all powerfully OverPowering my Physical Body through Damage connection of these dynamics of mechanisms beneath human perceptions waking up a higher mind almost instantly, I was under the spell I had no idea I was playing as the archetype of my architect! ❤
Humanity is a one on one connection which also branches out to other people. How you handle your affairs with your one on one’s , affects the entire chain of transmission therefore called Collective, Aquarius. It’s were Pisces and Aries responsibly create Resolutions for Aquarius and Virgo ., as the impact transits of karmic evolution was finished once Neptune Hit Pisces…Let the Education Begin and better hope you practice your discernment of you past and present. Pisces ends where Aries Begins..Last Chances to Get it Right this Time Gems ❤ corrections for Libra helps correct all 9H conditions
Love this podcast! Excellent episode! As a Libra rising, I always pay close attention the Venus retrogrades. I’m also in an 8th house in Taurus profection year; so it’s even more influential this retrograde. Thank you both!!! 💞
George RR Martin is another writer who has explicitly made it a point that he "gardens" rather than plans his work, and yet if you read the actual ASOIAF books they're absolutely littered with almost direct translations of these exact Lucifer/ Venus/ Inanna myths. The history of his world even mirrors the civilizations where these specific myths germinated in real life, and the main plot is essentially the story of the rebirth of these archetypes as forces for change in Westeros.
Before really getting into astrology, around my Saturn return (maybe during or after) I got into early Egyptian and Canaanite mythology. Anat (the same archetype as Innana) was my favorite. When the early Hebrew’s started their church, woman had no interest in a monotheistic male god, so Anat and temples to worship were included in the Old Testament and culture. She was removed later. I’ve mentioned it before, it’s more fitting here and it’s better than Barbie. La Mar Enfortuna is a band made to preserve lost and forgotten music, manly from the Sephardim. The best song you’ll ever hear related to this archetype is Salome. Lyrics: Down in your hole you look cold I hear your voice like music like gold Thy body so white, thy hair so black Thy mouth so red Suffer me once to take you my way The moon is a virgin but she can't turn away Suffer me twice I'll come back for more I will taste of thee Thy body, thy core Daddy my dear you're on fire I'll give you a dance Just grant my desire My king you shake You need to watch through silver veils And I'll dance for you The way you want me to Like this Now bring me the head of that ivory-pale boy He ain't no saint till I've taken my joy All the treasure in Palestine will never replace That strong, strong head contemptuous face On that silver shield, you look cold We meet once again just as you were told Now I bite down on hot wet lips But you don't cry out Now I'm riding the head of that poison-pale boy He ain't no saint till he's tasted my joy All the treasure in Palestine will never replace That strong, strong head Contemptuous face Strong, strong head Unconquerable face I plan to watch Barbie once the marketing phase stops, it usually results in me being unimpressed and the promotion being hyperbolic. Plus, it still makes me think of Childs Play. Childs Play was a comedy. If I wanted to overanalyze it, I’d say the movie was about a boy who projects his Freudian ID onto a doll which takes on a life of its own that then tries to take control of the child through psychological possession; it appears Barbie is similar in that it’s focused on the cultural pleasure principle in various ways. What I’ve heard is it’s actually balanced, despite commentators saying it’s not. But these comments are from commentators who make money complaining. It sounded, to me, like a criticism of both patriarchy and matriarchy as both being flawed and commentary on it being propagated by capitalism. We’ll find out when it’s streaming. After this week, I’ll be actually starting my development of an Astro system. I really appreciate Demetra’s volumes on traditional astrology, the sign sympathy systems are a gift that keeps on giving. Not at all that interest in Barbie, but feel free to read too much into my affinity for Anat and even that song.
Just hit the Marilyn chart and Leo connection. I think you'd be very interested in Bild Lilli's (doll) chart. August 12, 1955, Neustadt bei Coburg, Germany. I think you'll find a much stronger Leo connection there. The Lilli strip itself actually has a strong Cancer link, but Pluto, SN, and Lilith were all in Leo. In fact, I find the Leo Lilith to be especially interesting. I tried to pull Reinhard Beuthien's chart (creator of Lilli), but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much info out there about him. I'd be very interested to see.
I recall woman talking about the unrealistic proportions of the Barbie doll. Can’t help but connect that and breast implants when the eleven year olds imprinted by Barbie perfection grew up judging there bodies getting the operation😮
This was SO good, thanks, Chris and Demetra! I wanted to let you and the audience know that there’s a hidden facet to the origin of Barbie that adds an even deeper dimension to the parallels between Barbie and Inanna. According to M.G. Lord’s authorized biography on Barbie, Ruth Handler, the creator of Barbie (played by Rhea Perlman in the film), had for years been trying to get the male designers at Mattel to make an adult doll styled after the paper dolls her daughter played with. Then she came across exactly what she was looking for on vacation in Switzerland.
"Lilli" was a German doll based on a character in a cartoon created by a man to tell "sordid, sensational stories" in keeping with the newspaper the cartoon was published in, Bild Zeitung. The character of Lilli was "a golddigger, exhibitionist, and floozy, she had the body of a Vargas Girl, the brains of Pia Zadora, and the morals of Xaviera Hollander”. (pg 25)
The doll was intended "as a pornographic caricature, a gag gift for men, or even more curious, for men to give to their girlfriends in lieu of, say, flowers”. This hidden origin story for Barbie pulls on the thread of overt sexuality and subsequent disgust that Barbie inspires in so many and which any discussion of the doll (and Venus!!) must include. Children may be oblivious to the doll's sexual overtones, but adults obviously are not. Barbie is almost a carbon copy of Lilli, it’s worth googling for images of the two dolls to see it for yourself.
For our purposes, this hidden origin story even speaks to the myth of Venus, because Barbie has an older sister who is an underworld figure and has been completely outshone by her younger sister, just like Inanna’s sister, Ereshkigal.
But it gets better! M.G. Lord provides the date the Lilli doll was launched: August 12th, 1955, three weeks before Venus conjoined the Sun in Virgo by superior conjunction on the 1st of September. The chart for that date shows the Sun at 18 Leo and Venus at 13, just one degree away from where it stations at the end of this month.
Clearly the story of Barbie the doll, if not Barbie the movie, includes the entire cycle of Venus. I’m going to argue it even lends weight to the idea that the exterior conjunction is just as likely a start of the cycle as the interior. Or, perhaps more accurately, that there can truly be no beginning, they are each the top and tail of the other, one leading to the next like a serpent eating its tail.
Thanks again for such a great conversation. I never would have imagined that so many of my favorite things, Demetra, Venus, AND Barbie, would appear at the same time!!!
Amazing story - thanks for sharing. !
I listened to the podcast and now I'm watching it thorugh for the visual aids and to really understand the stages of Inanna's journey. I am two days older than Sinead O'Connor and our almost identical chart (and eerily similar interpersonal life events) have been very much on my mind lately. We both were born in the 0 stage of Venus cycle at the end of the superior conjunction in Sagittarius. I can't help thinking that starting this Venus Retrograde must have felt unbearable for Sinead. If Barbie represents the evening star's love and beauty, then Sinead represents the morning star's righteous anger, dedication to justice, and so much more.
Two amazing scholars and teachers. Thank you!
Always love hearing from Demetra George. Also, can't help but think of the old saying "People don't have ideas, ideas have people" when speculating on the monumental coincidence of this movie's release and subject matter. Certainly seems like all relevant parties were seized by an archetype that had something to say.
Fantastic episode!!😃
This video is intense . Ive heard inannas trip into the underworld before but you guys open up many interlocking aspects of the mystery of the 8 pointed star. Absolutely brilliant. ❤❤❤
Ohhh! My favorite goddess, Demetra 💜💜💜💜💜
Love the diagram of the synodic cycle of venus. Astrology/astronomy is notorious for requiring so many visual aids. This is beautifully designed!
Shout-out to Paula Belluomini for designing the diagram based on Demetra's specifications!
What a beautiful talk. I love Demetra's wisdom. I never get tired of learning with her. Another great job done Chris. Thank you so much.
Been Re listening to the podcast even before reaching the end, to try and grasp the concepts. Here’s an eerie corroboration of 2:41:03 - I found my natal cycle began 8 days before maximum elongation as the Evening Star, and reckoned something serious must have occurred in or around the family soon after that which coincided with my becoming the serious character I am now. Then I looked around at my Honeycomb Collective almanac notes for this year so far, and discovered that I had indeed been very involved in creative and theatrical works for about 8 days when I received news of a close family friend’s death on the day of Venus’s maximum elongation in June.
So grateful Demetra & Chris. Your teaching is helping me to fully understand Venus cycles and how each person may feel when I look at a chart. Demetra was correct when she said this may resonate with us all.
Wow. I’m a little late catching up, but this was just incredible! Has to be one of your best episodes.
I don't usually comment, but this really spoke to me because my Venus is rather “masculinized” by Hellenistic standards: She’s a morning star, in a masculine sign, direct and fast in motion, and above the horizon in a day chart. She’s also in detriment in Aries. The Hellenistic astrologers would have considered this quite unfortunate, especially for me as a woman. They lived in a very patriarchal culture and thought women should ideally be meek and submissive, which I most definitely am not. I have to say, it feels a lot better to be associated with an honored goddess of war and justice than to be told I’m just “too masculinized” for my own good! I have experienced some difficulties with my Venus placement, and while I won’t go into details I definitely do relate to that part of Inanna’s story, of coming to embrace her independence after feeling betrayed by someone she once loved. I actually got a little emotional listening to this because it was so affirming.
This feels like a really important conversation to push back against some of the patriarchal narratives embedded in traditional astrology, and I really appreciate that you provide the space for such conversations. Thank you so much Demetra and Chris!
Inanna has been into my mind all week more prominently.
One of my main teacher of her, it’s Demetra.
And she has come into my life as well all week.
Today I was speaking about her.
This Venus retrograde its one of the most important transits of my life having just started after so many years.
Thank you for this ❤
Couldn’t agree more!!
This year for the very first time, I observed Venus in the night sky. Glorious! Come on Barbie, let's go party!
Did anyone else clock at 49:36 when they were talking about the 7 stages of venus losing light, youre talking 7 stages from 48° of the sun - if rounded up to 49° then you've got venus' 7 stages marked every 7 degrees
You are both so generous with your knowledge and passion for Astrology and Mythology. Thank you for this timely episode. I really enjoyed not only the information but the way you interacted with each other. There was a lot of respect between you and a wonderful example of a mentor / apprentice relationship.
Sometimes I had to chuckle 🙂
Wow! That was so deep and illuminating. I was born in the evening phase, maximum elongation, but slowing down Venus, and wondering about the underworld has been my life journey, basically
Venus conjunct Pluto conjunct MC, so, yep, the underworld calls me too.
Wow! What a beautiful, powerful podcast. It's one of my very favories.
I haven't yet seen Barbie, but Now I'll get to experience it through this podcasts lens; what a gift.
Thank you
This was such a cool and eye opening discussion. This was so enjoyable, even if I have yet to see the movie. Big thanks and praise!
Fascinating. I’ve know of Inanna since the 90’s, and am just recently learning about the Venus synodic cycle, thanks to Chris Brennan and his interviews with Demetra George and Arielle Guttman. It makes a lot of sense to consider how Inanna is represented by the Venus cycle. I look forward to learning more about where in the cycle I was born and what kinds of experiences that suggests.
@ 1:25:53 ➡️ 1:35:54 comment: I am currently studying from Liz Greene and Howard Sasportas book The Inner Planets; specifically reading the section regarding Venus. They do an excellent job of covering the contradictions of this planet and archetype, and the various cultural manifestations including but not limited to Inanna, Ishtar, Aphrodite, Venus, Kali, etc.
Stunning! Thank you, Chris! Demetra George, you are beautiful.
Resonate??!! That presentation just blew my mind💫
So exciting
Thank you Chris and Demetria
What a beautiful sharing❤
This was such a wonderful episode! Thank you, thank you 🙏🏼✨I always feel like I’m in a Master Class when Demetra is a guest. 👸🏼
This had me gripped the entire lecture. Thank you, so fascinating and eye opening. 🖤
Thanks a lot!
This podcast hit me directly. As it's dense, I'll watch it again to go deep in my own self.
An utterly fascinating, and at times enthralling episode. Thank you both for being so generous with your knowledge.
Thank you so much Chris for this wonderful episode
Excellent medicine!!
Thank you both ❤
The diagram was so helpful for me. Thank y'all for working on that and for this episode. Great information.
Hi Chris I have just started reading The World: a family history of humanity by Simon Sebag Montefiore. Act 1, Houses of Sargon and Ahmose: Ziggurats and Pyramids. Poetess, Princess, Victim, Avenger: Enheduanna. Coincidence? No.
What an impact you, your show, and your guests have had in my life. Thank you will never be enough.
Synchronicity baby!
Wow absolutely beautiful and insightful podcast. Excellent ❤🎉 Thank you so much 💓
this episode is a GIFT
So, so good! Thank You Demetra & Chris - just outstanding content. I'm so grateful from this natal Venus retrograde in Aries/Taurus woman.
Absolutely mesmerising! Thank you Chris and Demetra , I'm a long time fan of Demetras amazing work! ❤❤
I loved this discussion and the Barbie movie so much. Poor everybody on this planet. Nobody can do anything perfect. Everything has a positive and a negative reflection and I love that this movie brought this to the forefront. It honestly isn't about just women because poor Ken was treated like garbage which isn't any better. But damn I love this movie for making everyone THINK about all of these juxtapositions and sad judgements all the way around! love love love
32:32 sounds like the contemplation of consciousness itself before it decides to create a place to incarnate and explore itself from different experiential perspectives
Thank you much for this brilliant discussion, which pulls so many ideas and so much information together. Much appreciated
Going back to my chart now to work out where, in the synodic cycle, my evening star Venus sits
Thank you. Incredible!
I just adore Demetra's interpretations and analysis. This video is so good. Thanks! Also, IMHO Hillman has the best explanations for archetypes, when it comes to astrology. Afterall, he is the founder of archetypal psychology,
I think an astrologer was definitely consulted for Barbie. When a bit figure like Robert Downey Jr and Cameron Diaz admits to using astrology, you can get Greta and Margot would probably have asked for guidance. I don't think they planned everything but probably had a general awareness of the timing.
This is🔥🙌🏽!!! Thank you so much Demetra and Chris.
Thank you SO much for such a thorough assessment of VR. It brought so much meaning and understanding to what I’ve personally been going through.
During the explanation of the synodic cycle of Venus, I started to get so emotional when hearing about the inferior conjunction. I guessed that I was born between phase 5 and 6, which I was able to CONFIRM with the astroseek site you guys referenced.
This was just such an in-depth, thorough and interesting video, thank you so much for all your research!!!!!!!!
Outstanding! Thank you, Chris and Demetria ❤❤
This episode is absoutely fascinating, thank you both so much. For anyone interested, I looked up the first names Greta and Margot-both mean/are a reference to “pearl” which to my knowledge is a natural substance associated with Venus.
The name Marilyn as far as I could tell is a combination of Mary and Lynn. Mary according to Google means “of the sea” and of course Venus came from the sea ✨
Such a great podcast.
I’m sure Greta know but astrology!
In 2019 in a PBS interview she said she had compared her chart to “ Little Woman” .
Anyway it is still now it’s here the Barbie movie.
I’m a Barbie fan as I got my first in the 60:s.💕
Love Demetra! 💜
That was an awesome article in the Wild Hunt. Thank you for discussing this topic.
Powerful symbolism & intriguing brilliant points on all sides. Thank you both for your expertise & insights.
1:21:07 it would be so cool to have an episode on what archetypes are and how they function within astrology and society
Great podcast, loved every minute ❤❤
thank u so much!! I found that I was born when Venus was at it's brightest in the sky, I dont know what that mean but I wanna believe is a good thing. 🧚
🙏Demetra🙏
I hear the first calls of descent. My native Venus is retrograde at 29 Leo and I resonant with Inanna’s situation at the heliacial evening set and the inferior conjunction and just this past week a skeleton relationship that left me with feelings of degradation and isolation was revisited. The stars aligned where I just so happened to run into this person. I’m constantly asking myself why I attract these illicit relationships and nothing has better answered this question than with this deeper understanding of Venus retrograde. All of the things Lady Demetra said about feelings of betrayal, hidden world of sexual mystery and taboo, issues with self worth, esteem, ability to socialize with the norm, and also the part about interest in and participation in the occult and esoteric. I appreciate this lesson, I had a ball with the Barbie movie and this archetypal alignment is uncanny collectively and personally. I’m going outside tomorrow morning to see if I can see our morning star and channel her sovereignty…maybe recite some of that poetry to Inanna…
Margot Robbie also played in a movie called "Babylon" with Brad Pitt. It is about the underbelly and destruction of Hollywood. However, I found it relevant to much more in these kinds of societies similarly depicted in Barbie it sounds like. Interesting too they are both based in L.A. and we could go on for days about that.
Also, it is interesting that Libra rising charts depict the "walking contradictions" of Inanna/Ishtar, in that all the signs are in their opposite sign's house. Some astrologers have referred to this as a paradox, and others are very dismissive of it, but in order to balance the scales one must go to the other extreme sometimes, and usually as a first reaction. But over time, and perhaps through cycles of maturation, as Inanna/Ishtar's descent could also represent, one learns you don't have to go to such extremes to find balance. In fact, with the love, you can find a center to begin with. And that might be her part of the story about forgiveness.
It should be noted that as some argue this, all charts sign's are in opposition to each other, but what is unique and distinct about the Libra rising chart is that they are in each other's houses, unlike any of the other charts.
While with Libra it is about the other, it is also about finding autonomy in Aries, as Demetra said. She comes out independent and strong, casts her judgement, and then forgives. This would be the archetype of the sign of Libra as well. Eventually learning you can just stand in the center objectively and make loving strong decisions about relationships from a place of independence and strength, and just like Inanna did, according to each person's behavior. Boundaries.
My birth name, tarot cards, and natal chart all led me to Ishtar. I am a double Libra with Moon in Taurus, but also Plutonian, which is not technically recognized Hellenistically, but gave me answers to my life to know that. So these themes between Libra, Aries, and Taurus, Scorpio are very prevalent in my chart. My Venus is 30˚ from my Sun, an evening star. I can't say I feel stuck at one particular place in the cycle, but have watched it played out over and over in various scenarios in my life.
My best friend has Venus at maximum elongation in her birth chart! She's a cancer rising, Gemini sun at 1 degrees, with Venus in Aries at 17 degrees!
If anyone has insights about that I would love to hear them.
I didn't know it was maximum elongation, but knew it was special to have Venus not in a sign neighboring the sun. I have always thought it speaks to her visionary nature. She started a very popular and successful shop in our city.
Fascinating!❤
What a fantastic episode. Utterly fascinating. As a Venus ruled person, who got married under a venus retro (shadow period) in Leo in 99, realised there was something wrong eight years later, then experienced a sudden end another eight years later (coinciding with uranus conjunct sun in 7th transit as well), i found it incredibly insightful. Thanks.
Demetra George has so much grace and intelligence, I have ordered all of her books
This is amazing! Thanks so much.
THANK YOU... this was such a great podcast 💫💕
I would so love to have an audio book of Demetra on her material she has an informative and accurate point of view and a great voice!!
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I'm sure Venus is happy with you both for doing this 💝 awesome episode
Paula Belluomini, Thank you 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 🌬🌬💜 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You and Demetra would do a great work looking further into the three charts Chris💕💎💎
Hey, Chris, thank you so much for all the extremely educational videos you put out! I've learned almost everything from your resources, and you are my all time teacher!!
I have a request. Since you created the series of indepth discussion (different episodes each) of planets and signs, now can we get indepth videos of each house? I'm very thankful for this channel ❤.
Many thanks for this magnificent episode!! (Ella from the Netherlands)
What a fantastic episode. Love you Demetra. My natal Venus is at Leo 28.35, so this is a very special retrograde period in which I feel internally grateful... ❤
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Fantastic episode! Thanks so much to both of you. xo
I just landed in Denver! Feeling good to know I'm in the same city as The Astrology Podcast 😂🎉
As someone with an 8th House Scorpio stellium including my Sun, Mars, Mercury and N. Node (all conjunct) also Uranus. I have always felt a strong connection to Inanna and her story. I haven't come across any archetype that is more Scorpio (in my experience)♏🌌🥰 I feel that Venus being the ruler of Taurus which is the opposite sign of Scorpio also plays into this. The 8th house being a place where we may need to release and let go of our Taurean resources and belongings, until nothing is left but our raw, true self a place where we can be reborn again into another self (after the exploration of our dark side and soul). Also interesting how Mars rules Aries with the opposite sign Libra being ruled by Venus both the Yang/Masculine expression, while the Feminine/Yin expressions are seen in Taurus/Scorpio. The Mars and Venus duality in which we must find balance ☯️
I loved this episode soooo much thank you both 🙏🌌💜
Which would make sense as Margot Robbie, portraying Barbie the modern Inanna, was born when the moon was in Scorpio.
@@lisasmith3657I wouldn't doubt it 🥰 those of us with strong "bad" planets/houses/placements probably all experience the feelings of disconnection and/or melancholy that urge us to go deep, do the shadow work, and re emerge into the light. I think people like us are here to help others through that descent into the shadow self and the death of the ego that precedes the birth of a new evolved soul.
Thought provoking
Fascinating! Is there a book you can recommend that describes the synodic cycles for all the planets? I wonder if there are more myths out there that have similar correspondences.
Waiting until Barbie is streaming before I watch this, thanks for the spoiler alert 💕
loved this
Great episode! Thank you!
I'm also reminded a lot of the Asteroid Goddess, Ceres. I'm wondering if there's been any episodes talking about Venus and Ceres and how they relate to each other?
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I find it interesting that the Women’s World Cup coincides with the Venus retrograde cycle. England (aka the Lionesses) won their quarterfinal game today, 24 hours before the Venus Cazimi in Leo.
Are there any astrologers out there connecting the Venus retrograde cycle to notable moments/developments in women’s sports?
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One thing I heard recently that Inanna was Sumerian and when several cities, up to 34, were taken over by Arcadia, there were similar goddess and a decision was made to amalgamate them. One woman supposedly created Ishtar which was similar to Innana, but had a few more additions from other goddess. So instead of having a local goddess, Ishtar becomes more prominent in the region and spread further abroad because of her culminating characteristics.
Many goddesses from that time were merged into Ishtar. She became the godess of practically everything on earth, cosmos, underworld, war, and all emotions but mostly positive ones like lust, love, reverence etc etc. she became the god of the Persians for a long time.
As an Angelino, I’m thrilled that LA represented the underworld and realm of Nergal and Ereshkiggal!! ❤️ 💀 ❤️
Hollywood is where people come to die and be reborn into something else for all the world to see. 🌟
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@@konradbenz7110 it’s true. You ever see the before and after pictures of actors and singers?
@@Alusnovalotus i see greed and ignorance growing in holy- woods faces and behaviour 👺
@@konradbenz7110 I think you’re generalizing Hollywood too harshly. Many writers and actors are pagan and work to incorporate these myths into their art to share to the world
Do you guys know about the Ghibli film princess Kaguya (HBO max)? She is the Japanese moon goddess associated with the pieces full moon in September. A Chinese - American version of the story / holiday is in a Netflix film "over the moon". Another similar beautiful Asian legend / holiday, the Qixi festival, 8/22/23 this year, involves the fixed stars Vega and Altair. This is celebrated throughout Asia on the 7th day of the 7th lunar month (Leo) and is like Valentine's Day.
2:18:06 it’s fascinating to BE this Venus Star and hear my story as the I can read the book before, this time, to capture the lost souls split by Aquarius Neptune and Sag Pluto. And while Uranus traveled over, through as to pick up before it left off specifically the Year the Mayan Calendar Ended. This Started the “Coming to Meet Via Scorpio and Cancer Transits 2013. This Story is linked to Black Moon Lilith, Asc/DC and split by a separated Mars to its place where it finds Neptune on MC solar arc . I’m in Awe that I intuitively (Lead by the Higher Octave” in finding “my” Venus, underworld!! This is the Most Amazing way to Empower myself by Showing Scientifically and Personally, With experience between connected souls, Astrology Is Factually a Map for your Life. ❤ thank you so much for this opportunity to understand what I’m experiencing which is all powerfully OverPowering my Physical Body through Damage connection of these dynamics of mechanisms beneath human perceptions waking up a higher mind almost instantly, I was under the spell I had no idea I was playing as the archetype of my architect! ❤
Humanity is a one on one connection which also branches out to other people. How you handle your affairs with your one on one’s , affects the entire chain of transmission therefore called Collective, Aquarius. It’s were Pisces and Aries responsibly create Resolutions for Aquarius and Virgo ., as the impact transits of karmic evolution was finished once Neptune Hit Pisces…Let the Education Begin and better hope you practice your discernment of you past and present. Pisces ends where Aries Begins..Last Chances to Get it Right this Time Gems ❤ corrections for Libra helps correct all 9H conditions
incredible video, thank you both
There are definitely two sides to love. Venus.
Love this podcast! Excellent episode! As a Libra rising, I always pay close attention the Venus retrogrades. I’m also in an 8th house in Taurus profection year; so it’s even more influential this retrograde. Thank you both!!! 💞
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George RR Martin is another writer who has explicitly made it a point that he "gardens" rather than plans his work, and yet if you read the actual ASOIAF books they're absolutely littered with almost direct translations of these exact Lucifer/ Venus/ Inanna myths. The history of his world even mirrors the civilizations where these specific myths germinated in real life, and the main plot is essentially the story of the rebirth of these archetypes as forces for change in Westeros.
Thanks soooooooo much for explaining this with us.
I understand Venus 💯 after this video.
Beautiful, thank you. I have venus retrograde in Scorpio in the 5th house. I appreciate this content. 🙏
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This is amazing
Before really getting into astrology, around my Saturn return (maybe during or after) I got into early Egyptian and Canaanite mythology. Anat (the same archetype as Innana) was my favorite. When the early Hebrew’s started their church, woman had no interest in a monotheistic male god, so Anat and temples to worship were included in the Old Testament and culture. She was removed later.
I’ve mentioned it before, it’s more fitting here and it’s better than Barbie. La Mar Enfortuna is a band made to preserve lost and forgotten music, manly from the Sephardim. The best song you’ll ever hear related to this archetype is Salome.
Lyrics: Down in your hole you look cold I hear your voice like music like gold Thy body so white, thy hair so black Thy mouth so red Suffer me once to take you my way The moon is a virgin but she can't turn away Suffer me twice I'll come back for more I will taste of thee Thy body, thy core Daddy my dear you're on fire I'll give you a dance Just grant my desire My king you shake You need to watch through silver veils And I'll dance for you The way you want me to Like this Now bring me the head of that ivory-pale boy He ain't no saint till I've taken my joy All the treasure in Palestine will never replace That strong, strong head contemptuous face On that silver shield, you look cold We meet once again just as you were told Now I bite down on hot wet lips But you don't cry out Now I'm riding the head of that poison-pale boy He ain't no saint till he's tasted my joy All the treasure in Palestine will never replace That strong, strong head Contemptuous face Strong, strong head Unconquerable face
I plan to watch Barbie once the marketing phase stops, it usually results in me being unimpressed and the promotion being hyperbolic. Plus, it still makes me think of Childs Play. Childs Play was a comedy. If I wanted to overanalyze it, I’d say the movie was about a boy who projects his Freudian ID onto a doll which takes on a life of its own that then tries to take control of the child through psychological possession; it appears Barbie is similar in that it’s focused on the cultural pleasure principle in various ways. What I’ve heard is it’s actually balanced, despite commentators saying it’s not. But these comments are from commentators who make money complaining. It sounded, to me, like a criticism of both patriarchy and matriarchy as both being flawed and commentary on it being propagated by capitalism. We’ll find out when it’s streaming.
After this week, I’ll be actually starting my development of an Astro system. I really appreciate Demetra’s volumes on traditional astrology, the sign sympathy systems are a gift that keeps on giving.
Not at all that interest in Barbie, but feel free to read too much into my affinity for Anat and even that song.
Just hit the Marilyn chart and Leo connection.
I think you'd be very interested in Bild Lilli's (doll) chart. August 12, 1955, Neustadt bei Coburg, Germany.
I think you'll find a much stronger Leo connection there.
The Lilli strip itself actually has a strong Cancer link, but Pluto, SN, and Lilith were all in Leo. In fact, I find the Leo Lilith to be especially interesting.
I tried to pull Reinhard Beuthien's chart (creator of Lilli), but unfortunately there doesn't seem to be much info out there about him. I'd be very interested to see.
This was fantastic. No one mentioned the wrathful Venus playing out in the Spanish women’s soccer saga!
first one. thank you for this gem, going to listen asap
Thank you
I recall woman talking about the unrealistic proportions of the Barbie doll. Can’t help but connect that and breast implants when the eleven year olds imprinted by Barbie perfection grew up judging there bodies getting the operation😮
Amazing. Many thanks.
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