I’m dying to know too. I’m running my first 100 miler next week and have no stock of the ultra 3 in my size in the country 😭trying to find a replacement!
Great review again, Jeff! I’ve been using and absolutely loving the Ultra Glide for short trail runs to multi days fastpacking in the Alps. Might give these a shot as a replacement, but I love the Ultra so much
I am enjoying the Ultra Glide too, have put 250km already. I only see one issue about the durability of the outsole as I am seen more wear compared to the Sense Ride I am used to wear. Still I am confident to put at least 600km in them. Really like the cushioning and they can be a fast shoe too.
Jeff, thanks very much. Watched and listened to you and snagged a pair in Latvia via EBay. It is almost a magical shoe and can’t wait to race it. My last race was a 200-miler early in November, the inaugural Cowboy 200 in neighboring Nebraska, and this 59-year-old Coloradan placed 15th overall out of 55. Used the Hoka Tecton X for the first 125 miles and, when my feet turned into clown feet, defaulted to the NNormal Tomir for the back 75. The Tomir is a little harsh so an Inov-8 Boomerang footbed made it palatable. Now that I finally have the Genesis, I may use that shoe in my next 200-mile plus in the mountains. Best to you and your family. I appreciate your insights and willingness to share learnings, and admire your love of running and racing. Godspeed! Troy from Colorado.
Might give these a shot I’m I am I have the dub the pro for matter fact I was able to just pick up a pair at eBay that are brand new. I love this shoe but after about 2530 miles it’s that the tow box is just too narrow. Don’t like a high stack shoe because I can roll my ankle sometimes but I think this might be a good combination thing. Yeah I I took my ultra glides and matter fact, after about 100 miles the phone was dead and I sold them to somebody so might give these a shot. I’m not sure it’s because like I said, rolling my ankle and not feeling on the ground is usually when I trip I’d rather be lower and I if I could actually just make my sense for pros a little wider in the toolbox, but you know, everything’s a combination
I so much wish Salomon would bring back the sense pro. Pulsar trail pro not close, I sent back. But the sense pro 4 was designed for me then they removed it. See these o discount on running warehouse, thinking
Since the moment I saw this model I thought: "wow, this looks a badass. Ready to tackle different type of terrains and looks very durable" I would not mind to get my hands into this after my Ultra Glide and Sense Ride 4. I have to admit that since the release of Sense Ride line up, I have been pretty happy with every single iteration but yet to try a S/Lab model. Thanks for the video as usual. Very informative and well explained.
Love the review! Really like the Genesis, although I think they have a bit too much stuffs for me (-30g would be awesome). I wished my Salomon SLab were lasting 500km. Most die (logs and/or mesh) after about 300 to 400 km :(
Thanks for an other great video! I use them too and I love them! It's exactly what I expect from an Ultra shoe. I would say it has the sensation of the Ultra 3 and de comfort of the Ultra Glide. But... I don't manage to lace it right. Most of the downhills I'm to loose in the shoe and if I tight it up its too narrow very quikly.. Basically the shoe fits really well, but not in downhills. Does someone has similiar problem or any advice? I dont know what to do else, because I would like to waer this shoe further on, because its almost perfect!
Many thanks for the review Jeff. I was very curious to hear your thoughts on this shoe. I don’t run long enough distances to justify buying them… will stick to the original Pulsar for the roads and the Pulsar SG for the trails. Nice to see Salomon put so much into a decently light shoe… they keep innovating much more than Hoka in my view…
I'm very intrigued by these. In the past I had no luck with Salomon's last even in their non S/LAB shoes. That changed this year with the Pulsar Trail which are just a fantastic allrounder. So I'm hoping these will also be a good fit. Unfortunately they've been sold out here as well but ultra racing season is over anyway so I have time to snag a pair.
Very interesting point you make about shoe mileage and the gap in the market. I started running recently and when shoe shopping was surprised to see that most shoes cap out around 500-600km. Salomon is doing great innovation here!
Great video, thanks for sharing! I'm a big fan of Salomon's UltraGlide, which fits perfectly on my feet. Because of the S/Lab is said to be more on the narrow side I hesitate to try them out. So what's your opinion on how especially the toe box of the genesis compares to the UltraGlide?
Ordered mine in my usual Salomon size EU44, but they were huge and too long, so I sent them back. Tried a size EU43 1/3 in Chamonix and this size was better, even if I didn't buy them in the end...
@@JeffPelletier only got a slab pulsar here which i could size down my normal salomon size - should i go with the same size here on the genesis like on the slab pulsar OG?
@@AstrumG2V correct, but all my other Salomons are EU44 (Sense Ride 3, Pulsar Trail, Ultra Glide) and are good in this size, even when the UG seems a tad longer and the SR3 is as perfect as it gets...
The Speedcross is definitely more of an entry-level shoe. It’s got a much higher ‘heel drop’ and stack height, a very different fit, and is made from cheaper and less durable materials (which the price reflects).
Maybe you can help me. Looking for a road running shoe that the toe cap is similar to the one you are reviewing or even better the top is designed like the Salomon 6's (I have a pair of the 6s and they are great for what I need) I have an issue that my feet are two different sizes (I know it's weird) so the toe on my smaller foot rubs the top of the running shoe and within a few runs, there is a hole. I've tried thicker socks,etc.. but nothing works. But like with the Salomon 6s the top has much more protection in the fabric, I just cannot find a road shoe the same.
Hmm there is a lot to like immediately followed by mentioning a $200 price point. I wear out a pair of sense rides in 3 months. Its not gonna last just be aware.
Thanks for the review. When you give the shoe weight would you mind stating what size shoe that weight corresponds to? I wear a size 12 US. I bought a pair of Brooks Caldera 6 that claimed 301g, but on my scale the size 12 came in at 388g. Thanks again; love your content.
I haven’t really tested the S/LAB Ultra since the first version, which I wasn’t a huge fan of. There look to be some major changes coming this Spring with the Ultra 4 (you didn’t hear that from me). So I’ll try to review those once they’re released.
Whenever you next review new shoes, do you mind telling us if you have wide or narrow feet? It's hard sometimes to figure out if a pair of shoes would fit if the reviewer just said that they are wide/narrow without any additional details. Thanks!
What matters most is fit, especially for a longer race like a 200 miler where foot care is going to be your biggest concern. Having said that, I’ll likely be using the Genesis for my upcoming Moab 240!
@@JeffPelletier I see yea I realized that after I commented haha. I just bought a pair to try. I ordered my usual size that I normally get in the Hokas. Would you say they are true to size? Some have commented that they run long?
Love the look of these however my 6 month old super cross 4 are falling to bits. I have tried every possible method on the Salomon support page for a warranty but nothing works. This is incredibly frustrating. If you have a good working relationship with Salomon could you please ask them to contact me? Thank you in advance.
@@JeffPelletier Hey Jeff, yes the form that I have filled in will not send. I tried the chat support but there are no humans that reply to you just paragraphs of nothing useful. I very much appreciate your super speedy reply.
I’ll ask around for an email address, but perhaps try a different browser in case you haven’t yet as sometimes forms act funny in one browser but not another.
wow, as for myself Ultra Glide felt very rigid and not really cushioned shoe, especially after 15km run it just flattens out and you can feel every rock underneath. I can only imagine how responsive and rigid other slab line shoes would be. I guess it is good thing to wear more minimalist type of shoes for your feet but for now i will stick with SG as max cushion shoes does save my feet on ultras for me.
Shop for the Salomon S/LAB Genesis: geni.us/9eZpy2
how do this model compared to the old slab ultra3?
I’m dying to know too. I’m running my first 100 miler next week and have no stock of the ultra 3 in my size in the country 😭trying to find a replacement!
Preying the come up with better colorway, these look like grandpa shoes 😂 Stick to red and black Salomon 🙏🏽🤘🏽
Great review again, Jeff! I’ve been using and absolutely loving the Ultra Glide for short trail runs to multi days fastpacking in the Alps. Might give these a shot as a replacement, but I love the Ultra so much
Nice! Glad to hear that the Ultra Glide is working for you.
I am enjoying the Ultra Glide too, have put 250km already. I only see one issue about the durability of the outsole as I am seen more wear compared to the Sense Ride I am used to wear. Still I am confident to put at least 600km in them. Really like the cushioning and they can be a fast shoe too.
Jeff, thanks very much. Watched and listened to you and snagged a pair in Latvia via EBay. It is almost a magical shoe and can’t wait to race it. My last race was a 200-miler early in November, the inaugural Cowboy 200 in neighboring Nebraska, and this 59-year-old Coloradan placed 15th overall out of 55. Used the Hoka Tecton X for the first 125 miles and, when my feet turned into clown feet, defaulted to the NNormal Tomir for the back 75. The Tomir is a little harsh so an Inov-8 Boomerang footbed made it palatable. Now that I finally have the Genesis, I may use that shoe in my next 200-mile plus in the mountains. Best to you and your family. I appreciate your insights and willingness to share learnings, and admire your love of running and racing. Godspeed! Troy from Colorado.
Got one recently. And love it.
Eh Vancouver guy
Might give these a shot I’m I am I have the dub the pro for matter fact I was able to just pick up a pair at eBay that are brand new. I love this shoe but after about 2530 miles it’s that the tow box is just too narrow. Don’t like a high stack shoe because I can roll my ankle sometimes but I think this might be a good combination thing. Yeah I I took my ultra glides and matter fact, after about 100 miles the phone was dead and I sold them to somebody so might give these a shot. I’m not sure it’s because like I said, rolling my ankle and not feeling on the ground is usually when I trip I’d rather be lower and I if I could actually just make my sense for pros a little wider in the toolbox, but you know, everything’s a combination
I so much wish Salomon would bring back the sense pro. Pulsar trail pro not close, I sent back. But the sense pro 4 was designed for me then they removed it.
See these o discount on running warehouse, thinking
Since the moment I saw this model I thought: "wow, this looks a badass. Ready to tackle different type of terrains and looks very durable" I would not mind to get my hands into this after my Ultra Glide and Sense Ride 4. I have to admit that since the release of Sense Ride line up, I have been pretty happy with every single iteration but yet to try a S/Lab model.
Thanks for the video as usual. Very informative and well explained.
Do they have a flexible heel counter? Similar to the Pulsar?
@jeff, do these have a removable insole?
Love the review! Really like the Genesis, although I think they have a bit too much stuffs for me (-30g would be awesome).
I wished my Salomon SLab were lasting 500km. Most die (logs and/or mesh) after about 300 to 400 km :(
Thanks for an other great video!
I use them too and I love them! It's exactly what I expect from an Ultra shoe. I would say it has the sensation of the Ultra 3 and de comfort of the Ultra Glide. But... I don't manage to lace it right. Most of the downhills I'm to loose in the shoe and if I tight it up its too narrow very quikly.. Basically the shoe fits really well, but not in downhills. Does someone has similiar problem or any advice? I dont know what to do else, because I would like to waer this shoe further on, because its almost perfect!
So is the slab genesis the replacement for the slab ultra lineup? Does this mean there wont be an ultra 4?
Many thanks for the review Jeff. I was very curious to hear your thoughts on this shoe. I don’t run long enough distances to justify buying them… will stick to the original Pulsar for the roads and the Pulsar SG for the trails. Nice to see Salomon put so much into a decently light shoe… they keep innovating much more than Hoka in my view…
I'm very intrigued by these. In the past I had no luck with Salomon's last even in their non S/LAB shoes. That changed this year with the Pulsar Trail which are just a fantastic allrounder. So I'm hoping these will also be a good fit. Unfortunately they've been sold out here as well but ultra racing season is over anyway so I have time to snag a pair.
Very interesting point you make about shoe mileage and the gap in the market. I started running recently and when shoe shopping was surprised to see that most shoes cap out around 500-600km. Salomon is doing great innovation here!
Getting a pair of the S Lab Genesis soon. Great video👌!!!!
Really interesting, specially the in salomon’s lab 👍🏻
Absolutely love mine. As you say, great choice for the longer efforts.
Been looking for this review since your training diary vids!
Now on the email list for when my size comes into stock 😅
Great video, thanks for sharing! I'm a big fan of Salomon's UltraGlide, which fits perfectly on my feet. Because of the S/Lab is said to be more on the narrow side I hesitate to try them out. So what's your opinion on how especially the toe box of the genesis compares to the UltraGlide?
I’d say it’s somewhere in the middle, although I’ve talked to some who still find it a little narrow.
Ordered mine in my usual Salomon size EU44, but they were huge and too long, so I sent them back. Tried a size EU43 1/3 in Chamonix and this size was better, even if I didn't buy them in the end...
Ah interesting, I found they fit true to size. Thanks for sharing your experience!
@@JeffPelletier only got a slab pulsar here which i could size down my normal salomon size - should i go with the same size here on the genesis like on the slab pulsar OG?
@GerdGuchl for me they fit like my regular Pulsar in terms of length, just much wider.
Gotta point out that conversion between US and EU often goes wrong!
@@AstrumG2V correct, but all my other Salomons are EU44 (Sense Ride 3, Pulsar Trail, Ultra Glide) and are good in this size, even when the UG seems a tad longer and the SR3 is as perfect as it gets...
will get one soon
The aesthetics are throwing me. It doesn't look like a Salomon. I love Salomon for their design language and also their features.
Other 2023 models also look a little weird.
Thanks for the video. How does this stack up to a Speedcross 6 shoe?
The Speedcross is definitely more of an entry-level shoe. It’s got a much higher ‘heel drop’ and stack height, a very different fit, and is made from cheaper and less durable materials (which the price reflects).
@@JeffPelletier thanks! Running Speedcross 5 now, but the product line is sometimes confusing what to aim for. But this definitely helps. Thanks 🙏
Maybe you can help me. Looking for a road running shoe that the toe cap is similar to the one you are reviewing or even better the top is designed like the Salomon 6's (I have a pair of the 6s and they are great for what I need) I have an issue that my feet are two different sizes (I know it's weird) so the toe on my smaller foot rubs the top of the running shoe and within a few runs, there is a hole. I've tried thicker socks,etc.. but nothing works. But like with the Salomon 6s the top has much more protection in the fabric, I just cannot find a road shoe the same.
But if they test so much, for prolonged periods, why did the ultra glide perform so bad, giving up in the midsole after such short mileage.
Hmm there is a lot to like immediately followed by mentioning a $200 price point. I wear out a pair of sense rides in 3 months. Its not gonna last just be aware.
It’s definitely not a cheap shoe! You should get a lot more mileage though from these compared to the Sense Rides.
Thanks for the review. When you give the shoe weight would you mind stating what size shoe that weight corresponds to? I wear a size 12 US. I bought a pair of Brooks Caldera 6 that claimed 301g, but on my scale the size 12 came in at 388g. Thanks again; love your content.
Hey Mike, I think that the stated weight for most shoes will be for a size 9 which is ‘sample size’.
Hi Jeff, thanks for the review! How do you think these stack up to the S/LAB Ultra 3's?
I haven’t really tested the S/LAB Ultra since the first version, which I wasn’t a huge fan of. There look to be some major changes coming this Spring with the Ultra 4 (you didn’t hear that from me). So I’ll try to review those once they’re released.
Whenever you next review new shoes, do you mind telling us if you have wide or narrow feet? It's hard sometimes to figure out if a pair of shoes would fit if the reviewer just said that they are wide/narrow without any additional details. Thanks!
Great feedback! I usually do mention that, but must have forgot to here. (I’ve got a very narrow foot.)
For a 200 mile trail ultra which is best this shoe or the speed goat 5?
What matters most is fit, especially for a longer race like a 200 miler where foot care is going to be your biggest concern. Having said that, I’ll likely be using the Genesis for my upcoming Moab 240!
@@JeffPelletier what is the genesis? Can you tell me more. Thanks.
@thepatternforms859 the Salomon S/Lab Genesis, it’s what this video is about that you’re commenting on 😉
@@JeffPelletier I see yea I realized that after I commented haha. I just bought a pair to try. I ordered my usual size that I normally get in the Hokas. Would you say they are true to size? Some have commented that they run long?
@@JeffPelletieredit I just saw in the video where u said they are true to size.
Love the look of these however my 6 month old super cross 4 are falling to bits. I have tried every possible method on the Salomon support page for a warranty but nothing works. This is incredibly frustrating. If you have a good working relationship with Salomon could you please ask them to contact me? Thank you in advance.
When you say that nothing works, are you just not getting a response at all?
@@JeffPelletier Hey Jeff, yes the form that I have filled in will not send. I tried the chat support but there are no humans that reply to you just paragraphs of nothing useful. I very much appreciate your super speedy reply.
I’ll ask around for an email address, but perhaps try a different browser in case you haven’t yet as sometimes forms act funny in one browser but not another.
wow, as for myself Ultra Glide felt very rigid and not really cushioned shoe, especially after 15km run it just flattens out and you can feel every rock underneath. I can only imagine how responsive and rigid other slab line shoes would be.
I guess it is good thing to wear more minimalist type of shoes for your feet but for now i will stick with SG as max cushion shoes does save my feet on ultras for me.
Great skit Jeff. I’ve been looking forward to the review. Think I’ll
Pick up a pair, my ultra glide bottomed out quite quickly 100 miles or so.