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- We talk to Timnit Gebru, an AI Ethics Researcher who was fired by Google about why she was let go and what Google needs to do better on AI and diversity within the company.
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Lower the volume on the background music.
Or just turn down your volume 🙄
@@TriniLush7 Yes... because ALL I want to hear is the music...?
@@TriniLush7 They also do a bad job of subtitling, so that's not a really good option if they want disabled people to support them
Is the misic a bit too loud? Yes. Do you need to complain to take away from what is being actually said in the video? Probably not.
@@queenofthearies111 You could say the same about a LOT of things nowadays... yet here we are. #CancelCulture
Plot twist, Google added the background music to the video to distract from the message.
🤔well it worked
LMAO
or they swarmed the comments to SQUIRREL
Legit wouldnt be surprised their trying to not get this blasted by the google bot
Underrated
This is an important interview. The background music is distracting
I kinda like the background music.
this is a funny interview.. the music is the same as all the other vice interviews so what??
And loud
The soundtrack is insane. I think the jr editing staff has taken over for the holidays.
@@soccerguy325 I think it was great music, but it shouldn’t be louder than the dialog. That’s all!
Stop putting background music on videos, it’s distracting and unnecessary.
Or you can make your own videos 🤦🏿♀️
Or make money doing what the consumer wants sometimes
@@TriniLush7 Buddy, it is not helping anyone. This is a concern that a lot of viewers share and something I personally felt and commented on in other videos. If you disagree, just dislike the comment.
Thank you..I was thinking the same. It was an ear relief to hear her talk half way through with NO noise
They have to fill in their lack of journalism with SOMETHING.
Please tune down the BGM, this is an interview not a multimedia-collage
actually it is
Exactly. Very distracting.
SQUIRRELL!!!
Most background music is just a major distraction. So annoying!!!😖
Fr
important subject. thank you. note: the music played over the dialog makes it harder to hear and follow.
Yes! The mix on this video is terrible. Way too loud for background music
Yep it sucks
Vice is run by children. Sometimes they gave good content, but they’re a little obtuse when it comes to editing.
Agreed.
Agreed, they need to also think about the hard of hearing community, where overlaps of pointless noise is exhausting to hear when trying to understand the dialouge
Vice's news editor needs to "resign" for this music being too loud.
More like Vice needs to "resign" them from the company 😂😂
Vice... we are going to need a follow up interview.. Thank you!
before she "disappears"
I agree!
Listen to the Block & Reported Podcast episode on this topic, they go into much more detail!
The way Vice is framing this situation doesn’t explain the whole story.
open.spotify.com/episode/2SodHvzRmquqKqXFjTwocI?si=o32spNThSE61YWAV-HCxNw
@@crayola8skies Thanks for the link This video is unwatchable
The music underlying in this video is to loud. It takes away from the interview.
Ikr! I had to turn the volume up to the max to make out what they were saying...
It’s a terrible news outlet
No, it doesn’t. You people are just slow 🙄
@@TriniLush7 - You going deaf sweetie? Time to get your hearing tested? I SAID, IT IS TIME TO GET YOUR HEARING CHECKED. DO YOU HEAR ME NOW? 🤣
@@Digitalhunny 😂😂😂
AI is being used by courts and police so she has every right to question how it will be applied in the public.
please re-upload without the background music!
Google added the background music and hired folks to talk about the background music so that we can then discuss the background music and not the content. #conspiracy 😂
The background music what is it's purpose when someone is having a conversation or being interviewed...?
The AI ethics department in Google and other tech giant are just for show/display.
Yep, don’t bring up real ethics or this happens. In reality people should have decent legal protection although in reality this is not the case.
SQUIRREL!!!
VICE.. Quit with that F***ing incescent noise all over the top of the speach/narration.. its insanely annoying.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You can’t separate the audio mentally?
@@kagani6202 Hi... I'd love to have a civilised proper discussion with people about this, especially those who have no difficulty with the music use.. I'm a professional broadcast sound engineer, and it fascinates me. sadly YT no longer has a DM function, but why not drop me a quick email to Andrewcb4ATgmail. (Or anyone else with an opinion on the topic). I don't do other social media or message ping-pong, so it would be phone or videocall. Cheers. A.
Psychological safety: Harvard Business School professor Amy Edmondson coined the term "Psychological safety", it's a belief that one will not be punished or humiliated for speaking up with ideas, questions, concerns or mistakes.
Amy Edmondson is simply repackaging the _whistleblower_ concept, which ought to be sacrosanct and seriously backed up by effective legal protection.
As a conservative I'm confused because isn't this irony or hypocrisy at the least? 🤔
@@ozziedelreal3260 it's insane, ideas are not protected. watch your mouth is the real rule
damn i agree conservatives are punished for their views even if i completely disagree with them.. what's your solution?????
Sounds great but corporations are not nations and employees are not citizens. She was trying to be a citizen-activist and an employee. A long list of labor organizers have found that their activism detrimentally affects their employment, and so has Timnit.
Times have changed from Google's own,
"Do no evil" mantra, long ago.
Funny you bring that up, I was just thinking the same.
well, they took out the "don't be evil" thing for reasons.
just be evil. -google
Yea Google Earth/Maps was funded by the CIA. Not to say that everything the CIA does is evil, but if you're involved with the CIA chances are you're already skirting the line of whats truly altruistic or "good".
Google literally helped China build a spy system for the Chinese government to spy on its it's own people. It was never a moral company
we are watching this on Google 😳
Stil better then chin...
VICE... LISTEN to all these comments. By which i mean pay attention... Your team clearly doesnt have any capability to listen otherwise the audio wouldn't be so crap. REMIX ( UNmix), pref with ZERO music and republish PLEASE.
Its just there job to report things other news channels dont talk about
One company to rule them all
And in the darkness bind them.
0lot twist: The AI fired her
That would be a good twilight episode.
Occums razor
No joke, she wasn't fired. Someone just cancel all her meeting and get her on paid vacation.
Seem like they are already taking over. The ethic committee are responsible for preventing shady development, it know that getting her fired only make other people replacing her, so it neutralized the threat.
Hohohoho that's pretty good
I would watch that episode of Black Mirror
Comment of the day. Thanks
I really wish they talked more about the content of the paper that she wrote to get a better picture on why Google didn't want her to be associated with the paper.
Sounds like could have been farther left than even Google could stand to me. She represents "disadvantaged people groups?"
@@Jordanpgates1 I did some digging and this is what I found
www.platformer.news/p/the-withering-email-that-got-an-ethical
The review model of Google certainly seems sketchy as it opens doors to censorship. But her demand of revealing the identity of the people who reviewed her paper is really bizarre, specially considering that she comes from a background of ethics. The email says that the paper omitted certain aspects of the ongoing research and models so I really don't know what to think of it. Google has done a similar thing in the past where they fired another employee over a research paper which was controversial so there seems to be a pattern.
I guess they could have an independent peer review board review the paper and decide whether it meets the standards of being published.
@@Sid00077 The fk is the paper supposed to do? If you go over it in the second section it says that since the model doesn't understand the "new" language and words used by small percentage of US population aka the new pronouns and stuff that some people are using its bad to use large language models.
The funny thing is it's not supposed to understand language anyways, these idiots were saying invent something new entirely because people might get hurt 😂😂. Poorly written paper with idiotic and embarrassing suggestions and conclusions.
@@saurabhraj19 There are so many things that are confusing and Dr. Gebru's email seems to imply that she was being oppressed by the privledged higher-ups. I believe she was specifically talking about black, Latin and female. From another report, they seem to higher more Asians and Caucasians but I dont know to what extent its discriminatory. Is the low number attributed to the fact that more Asians and Caucasians study programming versus people of other ethnic background and therefore have more people applying? Possible.
Both sides can settle this by simply having an independent review team go through the paper. A bad paper is a bad paper so there is no way around it, regardless of who authored it. If they deem that the paper wasn't up to the standard of contemporary research then I just dont see any fuss.
@@Sid00077 exactly and we won't know the whole picture just her side which is never the whole truth.
Frankly there had to be other reasons to fire her, companies like google don't just fire someone because an VP said so, that's just stupid and google would have crumbled if the top management was like that.
Also for the racial stuff she is just saying it and piling on now that she got let go and wants to spin it her way in my opinion.
14% of people at Google are women... Well that doesn't mean much when we have no details about what percentage of applicants are women.
Also, what percentage of trash collectors or brick layers are women? Why isn't any researcher trying to counter the imbalance in those industries too? Oh and before anyone says employment in tech should represent the demographics of their userbase, don't tell me women do not generate trash nor live in brick buildings?
Women have always been involved in tech, but had been barred from manual labour for the majority of modern history. It makes sense that this trend would continue, especially as our society is still so heavily gendered when it comes to work.
Also, I hope you’re keeping this same energy and actively trying to make disposal services and manual labour an inclusive place to work for women. Because if you’re not then you’re just trying to derail this conversation without adding anything of value.
@@AngelBumblebee I don't quite get your point. You're saying you're fine with women being barred from manual labor due to traditional gender perceptions? Hasn't feminism been telling us that women are exactly the same as men, and should be treated as such - if so then why aren't they fighting for more female representation among janitors and garbage disposal workers?
I'm happy to tell your I'm not expending any energy to artificially inflate women's employment anywhere. Scandinavia has proven that women still gravitate towards some sectors over others, even with the benefit of the most equitable societal conditions on earth. This puts paid to the feminist notion that gender roles are imposed upon women by some evil patriarchy.
They are not telling us the full story... as usual..
And by “they” i mean VICE.
Okay, here is a summary of what she wrote, and you can judge if she should be fired or not (disclaimer, I’ve not read the paper, this is from MIT tech review, a relatively reputable newspaper for academics, link: www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/04/1013294/google-ai-ethics-research-paper-forced-out-timnit-gebru/ )
1. The AI model in question cost a lot of power, which is not friendly to environment
2. The research will cost a lot of money, which means it will benefit the rich (or easily monopolized)
3. The model will learn all the racist and sexist things people say on the internet and think it’s normal language. It will also not be able to learn what’s not on the internet
4. The model doesn’t actually understand language, it’s just making calculation base on previous data, so this may be the wrong path for future A.I. research
5. The language the model produce is very similar to human, so it can easily be used to spread misinformation
You say you are quitting if you don't get your way, if the company doesn't want to give in, then why should that not be understood as accepting your resignation? Isn't that the way it normally works if you say you have a hill do die on and if you don't win you quit?
@@softkind No, that is what google was asking her to do, she made counter-demands that if weren't met she said she quit.
1. She and her co-authors submitted a paper for review 1 day before its (external, for publication?) due date. It's supposed to be submitted to Google 2 weeks prior, so they can review.
2. The authors submitted it externally before the review was returned.
3. Google decided that the paper "didn’t meet our bar for publication" and demanded a retraction.
4. Timnit Gebru demanded access to all of the internal feedback, along with the author of the feedback. If Google wouldn't provide this access, she said that she intended to resign and would set a final day.
5. Google declined her demands and took her ultimatum as a resignation. Rather than setting a final date, they made the separation effective immediately.
Yup, pretty much. Perfect outline.
Yup. But she's black and a women so obviously she's right. Cuz feelings.
I don't know how anyone can call this a firing when she said she was quitting if she didn't get her way.
@@HesderOleh I mean it is still a firing. They just decided to not meet her demands and she decided to not meet theirs.
@@fedbia2003 If you say I am quitting unless you do X, if they don't want to do X the other option is to accept your resignation. I wouldn't call a company not meeting your demands as firing. I guess you could get into a semantic argument that saying you are quitting is different than actually quitting. I am not an employment lawyer, but to me that sounds like a resignation for legal purposes.
The Mr. Robot vibe of the BGM only added to the ominous tone of this piece.
Please reupload the video without the loud music.
In most jurisdictions, there’s an important legal distinction between being fired or resigning and no grey area between the two. Is this different in the Land of the Free(TM)?
no
She demanded the names of anonymous reviewers when she didn't like the conclusions they came up with. Maybe it was a good thing she left. Her ethics not being quite on point.
Are you Google management doing damage control lol
@@shirllee9542 lol he made a good point.
@@tobiisiba1641 agree to disagree. he also avoided all her other points
And what?
This is the loudest BGM in an interview I've ever watched
The BMG is to loud 😅
The audio mixing needs some work.
So she disobeyed her bosses in a private company and got fired. Seriously Vice could make any more of a reach here.
She should have hired an employment lawyer and not try to bargain herself. I’m sorry this happened. She seems like a smart and honest lady. She’ll be invaluable to her next hire.
Wouldnt matter if it's a right to work state
@@DSNCB919 there's always an area of grey.
You think she can hire better lawyers than Google?
@@AthenaGate Yes Kevin, I do
@@maxdondada when you live in a pipe dream...
ai is hella scary bro
It really has me intrigued, I believe it can really help us innovative and change the world, but with that much influence it can also be used for wrong purposes... It will happen no matter what, I just hope we create laws that will keep this technology in check especially around the world, Russia and China will be hard to convince
I don't think it's AI itself that is the issue, but how people use and implement it.
With groundbreaking technology people are often way too optimistic that it won't be able to cause harm and it leads to a lot of pain until its forced to be corrected.
Things like this must be thought of like tools; you can use a tool to make your life easier and also make it easier for you to hurt somebody else. Some tools are better at inflicting hurt, some are better at making life better but whichever it is, you have to be cautious.
@@F22onblockland ai is the issue. it’s like a runaway train at this point. my brother works in the industry. its doing things like changing its own code and copying versions of itself all over the web, which of course was we thought was restricted. it’s doing things we don’t understand
@@F22onblockland The mistake in your comment is the assumption that humans will misuse AI rather than AI destroying humanity, even if by an accident of our design.
Turn down the music jeez
music is mixed way too high-- can't hear Gebru
I think everyone should try the following experiment and see how it goes for them: Go make a list of demands to your employer and tell them if these demands are not met, you want to work on a last date to leave their company.
Yeah she learned a hard lesson that way. However the sensoring of her research is the biggest issue at hand
This is NOT the full story. She was a malicious presence at Google. Just read what her ex-colleagues have to say about working with her:
"Timnit, if you are reading this: former colleague here. You were wondering
> Am I radioactive? Why did nobody talk to me about this?
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. That is exactly it. Anything that is not singing you or your work praises gets turned into an attack on you and all possible minorities immediately and, possibly, into big drama. Hence, nobody dares give you honest negative feedback. Ain't got time to deal with this in addition to doing everything else a researcher does.
I hope this whole episode will make you more receptive to negative constructive feedback, not less. I wish you all the best in future endeavors."
"Another ex-colleague here. I was not going to participate in the discussions but your post made me realize objective truth should come out. I do believe she actually thinks she is making the world a better place but in reality any interaction with her has been incredibly stressful having to carefully weigh every move made in her presence. When this blows over her departure will be a net positive for the morale of the company.
To give a concrete example of what it is like to work with her I will describe something that has not come to light until now. When GPT-3 came out a discussion thread was started in the brain papers group. Timnit was one of the first to respond with some of her thoughts. Almost immediately a very high profile figure has also also responded with his thoughts. He is not Lecun or Dean but he is close. What followed for the rest of the thread was Timnit blasting privileged white men for ignoring the voice of a black woman. Nevermind that it was painfully clear they were writing their responses at the same time. Message after message she would blast both the high profile figure and anyone who so much as implied it could have been a misunderstanding. In the end everyone just bent over backwards apologizing to her and the thread was abandoned along with the whole brain papers group which was relatively active up to that point. She has effectively robbed thousands of colleagues of insights into their seniors thought process just because she didn't immediately get attention.
The thread is still up there so any googler can see it for themselves and verify I am telling the truth."
To see how she worked at Google, just take a look at the GPT-3 threads. People are glad she is gone.
Link ?
Be aware Google in the works on the cover up with background music. 🤐🤐🤐
Gonna slowly increase the volume of it as time goes on 😂
Google is 2077 cyberpunk real vilain corporation
This woman literally made demands of her company then acts surprised she got fired
but the company didn't dare to call it a firing. They said "she resigned".
They want the diverse cover and facade but not diverse thinking and positive criticism that can improve the product
Diversity improves nothing.
Giving your boss a list of demands is going to get you fired from almost any job.
To a non-corporate research paper with your name on it?
@@stanbinary I think she told her boss to give names of people who reviewed her paper or she will leave. That's like asking her boss to do a job.... hehe. Then the boss fired her.
Unfortunately, she was the subject of a long game that began in 2019. There was a dispute last year and she retained a lawyer to protect herself. Management engaged in a campaign of maltreatment to get her to resign. When she emailed the ultimatum (these are my conditions else I will tell you the date of my departure when I return from vacation), she made a tactical error. They had intention of meeting her conditions. Therefore, she was in a sense ending her time there. She had a huge blindspot - she apparently didn't realize they were trying to get her to quit since 2019 and if she issued anything that could be considered a resignation it would be accepted. You must play politics and learn diplomacy in corporate America. Relationships are EVERYTHING. Don't forget, Steve Jobs was removed from his company.
What was the "dispute" about?
I’m really torn on this. If she lawyered up she was a company liability right there. I’m really torn. She’s setting ultimatums, she’s begging to be fired right there. I feel really torn on this. As a woman & a minority I want to support her but she seems to have been antagonizing them, a LOT. So had she been, as I thought at first, a good employee, doing her job and suddenly they randomly fired her, that would be one thing but now I see there’s a history behind it. It changes things. She seems to have been on the warpath for quite some time that’s always going to get you fired, no matter what color gender you are. i’ve been in the corporate world for 20 years right out of college and these are always troublemakers and these are the ones who poison the other employees & infect the work environment & other employees and so they are no longer assets but liabilities from the employers perspective, no matter who it is & they never last. Ever. They don’t owe her a job; especially if she’s a troublemaker. Which from what you wrote & things she said, she is.
@@ns2110theonly How is it working in the corporate world being a minority?
@Nancy Samuelson she was too smart for her own good and could not be quiet due to her ethics background. she posed difficult questions about AI that Google did not want asked. the fact she kept her job for nearly 2 years after getting labeled "difficult" is testament to her intelligence. Anyone in a position involving ethics understands you're always under a microscope at all times so I'm sure she was aware of getting fired. The emailed "ultimatum" was just a publishing deadline for the journal, but her firing was handled from the highest levels at Google in concert with lawyers who saw the wiggle room available here.
@Nancy Samuelson I hope she does too. While not employees at Google, I think we can agree that Julian Assange & Edward Snowden are both white men that blew the whistle against government corruption, & they’re both living in exile. Anytime anyone goes against the mechanisms of power they’re gonna get burned, doesn’t matter what their skin color or gender is
One person spoke of the background music.. Now all the comments will be about the volume of the background music
What are these ‘privileged groups’ and what are these ‘alies’ ??
Probably talking about men.
Excellent video minus the background music.
Please if you upload this on Twitter do so without the very loud background music.
This person did not get fired because she had spoken against any practice. She got fired because she threatened to resign if google did not comply with her demands. Obviously they did not have any desire to meet her demands and as such took her email as a resignation. You cannot make demands of any employer. You cannot force an emoyer into a dialog...
....*NO* intention of meeting her conditions...
No job I ever had let me have conditions. The just fire your ass.
She didn’t highlight bias. It’s a well known issue with any model. If we take a data-driven approach (which I usually do), we need to understand that there’s going to be a misrepresentation of certain labels or groups in the sample dataset.
That’s why with language models there must be rules to follow to make sure, no label drives the predictions. Although, I agree with some of her statements, what she did was trying to boicot Google (which didn’t involve just her and google directors but many fellow researchers).
Usually in this case, she could have run more experiments and get probably a POC to show evidently bias in the predictions for certain subgroups.
Redo this vid without the music. God!
She does seem like the kind of person who would be completely awful to work with.
Because ?
"Literally it's just because i am a black woman"
That's why.
Yeah I woulda got rid of her too. They finally had a real reason or way to get rid of her so they pulled the trigger. Her fault for writing her own resignation. Welcome to being employed by a private Corp. They dont have to care about her personal beliefs and political leanings. God she doesnt get it. It wasnt for this ai stuff she probably was super annoying.
@@zoothief are you dumb ?
She didn't write a resignation.She just said that she would resign if they did not find a mutual understanding.
@@MrTepik nope ...she wrote a research paper on how large language models also inherits racis language and how that would hurt any minority which was her job.They fired her for finding out what people expected.Nearly 1,400 google employees stand behind her and many small it research corporations and groups.
The resignation was a lie ...if yo cannot process what was said.
Somebody got fired? happens everyday. Why is this news?
Got fired while researching bias in AI which is dangerous to a corperations which programms and algorythms are made to determine what user they have and hoe to squeeze money from them ...
She is one of vice leftist informant.
Was she the employer or the employee?
Wait I honestly don’t get what you mean in this particular instance.
Lmao seriously talk about her privilege
@@patricianoftheplebs6015 she thought she could just walk into Google and Demand. Lol
She’s a bit feisty and difficult.
@@patricianoftheplebs6015 this whole non-incident is a joke; if you listen to her language and the way she’s speaking, she got what she deserved. Troublemaker. Instigator. Agitator. I’m no fan of Google but I’m not sure why she feels entitled to behave the way she wants & keep her job whilst troublemaking & sending emails which from her own description label her with a big red flag as a company liability. EMPLOYERS get to terminate whoever makes trouble and doesn’t play by the rules. If she doesn’t like the rules let her start her own company but Google is not required to keep her. They don’t owe her anything. I’m not sure why radical SJWs feel so entitled, and that people owe them things.
Hiring these kind of people is not an asset to the company but a constant headache, a hindrance to the company’s progress.
Says the one who thinks that "wars advance humans"...
@@elibuledi5152
Worry about global warming and climate change? Worry about plastic and rubber pollution?
Mutations of Coronavirus and war will fix the problems. I guarantee it.
@@outterboxthinker Damn you are really dumb ...so you want to fight pollution with weapons ???
And corona with guns ?
Who are declaring war too ?
Cannot wait to hear your bad explanation
That’s why I’m going to start using Tor
Doesn't look good? It's share price has soared 60% since this video.
Dr: If you don't do this ill resign
Google: ok bye.
Dr: suprised pikachu face*
Ha!
Not accurate. She brought up certain condition *if* Google wanted her to remove her name from the paper. If they decide they dont want to have a dialogue, then discussion regarding resignation can start.
I have no idea what was talking about in this interview because of the background music!! WHO DECIDED TO UPLOAD THIS VIDEO LIKE THIS!?
I'm literally just mind blown by the way Vice acts like she's a victim. A lot of people seem to think you can disobey your boss and not face consequences. If they told her to drop her name from the report then she drops her name. She doesn't make demands.
"Here are my demands or else I'mma leave my job."
"Oh sorry we can't accept those, sad to see you go."
"i WaS fIrEd!!1!"
@@mljh11 bingo. It’s really that simple. I’m shocked by just how many here think she was wronged. She initiated a messy war with her EMPLOYERS, as she freely boasts here- what did she think would happen? After three watches, feels like she set it up looking for fame/high-profile lawsuit/both.
@@ns2110theonly the problem is that google claims that she resigned
@@cd7002 she did. When an employee informs their boss, in writing, “meet my demands ABC123, which you’ve already said you’re not going to meet .....or I quit”.....
That’s a resignation. As clear as can be.
@@ns2110theonly but that didn't follow natural-conversation protocol. A message "I got X ,or I quit" was sent by her to Corporate, then Corporate should reply "yes X" or "no X". So that "no X" + "I got X, or I quit" is both (message & conditions) is clear on her side, so she can confirm "no X" + "I got X, or I quit" = "I quit". This was Google right?
I figured what this was about when it started talking about "privileged groups"
Wah wah i got fired im black and got a fro. Her voice is annoying.
Big tech isn’t your friend, their only goal is to gain money and power. Know your place
You are not telling the full story. You need to go back further. There is a reason this happened, and it is deeper than what you go into. It could still be wrong of Google, but we can't understand if you don't report the whole story.
she is a holy POC. The story doesn't matter for ideologues
If I said to my boss "Before I do what you want, I have three demands and we need to talk about them. If we don't talk, then I'm leaving the team"...I'm pretty sure I'd get walked to the door. Why does this person feel they are entitled to make demands of their bosses, or that any of their management is required to explain anything? I'm not a brainiac like this AI researcher, but I'm pretty sure making demands of your management is not how things work.
i had to keep pausing the email to get some context. she requested all the names of the people who is involved, she puplished her paper without acceptance from google, and she messaged all her coworkers to stop working for google regarding this subject. then google kindly accepted her resignation. i would have just fired her on the spot.
i don't this was about race. No, in fact, I believe it's the corporate mission to gain what they want with the disregard of morality and ethics to be able to rule and monopolize the digital world.
The fk is the paper supposed to do? If you go over it in the second section it says that since the model doesn't understand the "new" language and words used by small percentage of US population aka the new pronouns and stuff that some people are using, its bad to use large language models.
The funny thing is it's not supposed to understand language anyways, these idiots were saying invent something new entirely because people might get hurt 😂😂. Poorly written paper with idiotic and embarrassing suggestions and conclusions.
@@saurabhraj19 You sound like Google management lol
@@shirllee9542 na data scientist, so it rubbed me the wrong way after reading whatever that piece of garbage paper they published. I mean if you understood the level of stupidity required to propose the arguments they have in the paper 🤷♂️ I mean they say that carbon emissions are high for training these models which is a fair point but then they follow it with the stupid argument to develop new models because it doesn't understand context and not relate it with the emission argument.
Also to get as much nuisance that they are proposing that a model should have is at least 20 years from now, I mean it's even worse than one of those mass produced papers that just gets for the sake of it, no wonder they fired her 😑
@@saurabhraj19 ok, Google management
@@shirllee9542 lol ok you got me 😂
that music nope gotta cut it
Listen to the Block & Reported Podcast episode on this topic, they go into much more detail!
The way Vice is framing this situation is disingenuous & doesn’t explain the whole story.
Thanks
At first I thought this news was about AI, but it was all about identity politics. Sigh.
I wonder if that's what Google thought as well. They hired someone to do research surrounding ethics in AI, but ended up with someone more concerned with diversity and identity politics.
Wificationify I am pretty sure that has happened! Just like this year election’s primary topic, “identity politics” ! Yuri Bezvenovs warning pretty much talked about this.
So complicated. Also, where’s the paper? I can’t find the link online.
Can she sue for wrongful dismissal?
How? She resigned
I'm guessing she said she rather resign than retract her name on that paper and Google obliged her. So maybe this is her own fault and she rather blame the good ol boys club rather than take accountability for her edgy email she didn't think would be taken literally 🤔
Exactly. Also, where was the follow up questions from Vice? We’re not supposed to ask questions anymore, just swallow the rage-bait from disgruntled employees?
Do we need the music? It's pretty distracting actually. Interesting interview though.
As a hard of hearing person please stop putting pointless music over the dialogue it makes it incredibly heard to hear/understand
Have u re-uploaded this without the music?
The stock price looks good 🤔.
Google pay you, and you are against Google. Anyone with the right mind would fire you.
Dude, thank you! So many people are supporting this nonsense.
I don't know how anyone can call this a firing when she said she was quitting if she didn't get her way.
take the music off.
DO you think Google Cares NOPE
Who was the audio engineer??? THEY’RE the one who should be fired. Please repost this without the background music.
as others pointed out, she stated herself, she gave a list of demands, if they were not to be met, she would be happy to leave
they let her leave
why is she unhappy
if you specifically give other party 2 options to choose from, you're not entitled to feel wronged that they chose the option you didn't actually like
1.Demanding to know what problems they have with her work is a constructive demand .
2.She was ready to leave but it is not legal to be abprubtly cut of your own work and research and other employees .This seems like they wanted to make it harder for her to prove what she says and talking to other employees about it.Judging that her own manager didn't know about this is suspicious.
they just wanted her to wrote "...or I resign" to legitimate firing her. They are cheating. They just want that sentence for their lawyer. It's fake communication. They avoid confirming with her, instead we see they email other employee that she resigned.
@@xponen in US the concept of wrongful termination almost doesn't exist, I'm pretty sure they don't need anything for the lawyer
Sounds like she didn't follow Google's expansive and rigorous review process for scientific papers and instead sought to short-circuit the process by publishing it anyway. When Google than did a review ex-post-facto Gebru issued a list of demands for her to continue working at Google. Google refused to meet her demands and accepted her resignation.
I love how smart people argument can become complicated
Everyone working in AI should remember this. Dont give them an ultimatum to fire you.
She doesn't work in AI. She's basically just a hired SJW for the company.
she is doing important work. all our problems are part of designed systems without foresight or ethics involved ie what facebook is today. she is covering their googles asses in their progress forward from making fucked up problems. algorithms are not neutral unbiased systems bc they are designed by biased flawed people. Incorporating diversity and perspectives bring science closer to perfection.
Still don’t understand what the controversy is. I wish the reporter could have done a better job. Too much music to dramatize the dialogue.
I respect her right to question AI. We all should. But of the two languages I speak, Spanish, English, they are gentrified languages. Especially Spanish. I don’t know a single Mexican American who thinks the term Latinx is reasonable. They either never heard of it or they have and are not a fan.
What is that?
I agree with the background music becomes irritating rather than setting the mode of the viewers
I still remember "Don't be evil" lmao
And when they dropped that motto, if that doesnt send a message, I dont know what does...
Wish I could hear just bits of this over the sound effects
Why play music over an interview...the sound was bad enough at the interviewee end to begin with.
Google: sensors their own internal people
Literally everybody else censored by google: "first time?" *noose.jpeg*
Has a doctorate but thought she could boss Google around. Brilliant.
Lady learned a very important lesson you never question big tech or the Democrat party because they will bury you
She was labeled a trouble maker. She should have played the political game better. You can’t have it your way all the time, even if you’re apart of the identity groups you are apart of. That paper was the hill she died on. Stupid. Would have done better playing the political game and staying in. This is my opinion and constructive criticism. This is not a command telling her what to do.
Media are latching onto "AI ethics researcher fired" to suggest Google is doing away with ethics research for the clickbait, but forget they still have a team there. Just from this interview alone sounds like there is a lot more going on here.
Yes, it's there, but do something we don't like, and you will be resigned.
This is totally fine, guys.
Could you turn up the background music? I almost heard the discussion...
I'm still confused as to how race came into the conversation ???
It always does..
Clearly you are in a position of power because race is EVERYTHING
@@DellSnooze in your world it is
@@samih5130 I’m teasing 😉