Yep, it's insane she saying "normal people" are leaving Twitter. Since when young people with way to much free time, that define their entire life's around activism over some ideology is "normal people"?
@@littlelordfuckleroy3822 I don’t think even the leftist media is accusing Elon of censorship. Their main complaint as always is that he isn’t censoring conservatives.
Let me help simplify the narrative here: audiences don’t care if your leads or characters are diverse or male or female. They care about good character and good story. None of the films coming out right now have either and hence, poor performance at the box office.
Grace, how could you leave out Kate Beckinsale's Underworld franchise as an example of a powerful female lead that didn't shy away from the male gaze? Five movies spanning 13 years. Who cares if the critics hated them, they made money.
The issue I have with the female characters in recent marvel films is the studio's fear of making them complicated with internal issues to overcome. In the comics, Danvers has PTSD and a drinking problem while Monica's early appearances showed her being quick to anger and issues with authority. In the films, the two characters just have one trait, stoic. To have those characters share the same issues as their comic book counterparts while trying to be good role models to Ms. Marvel would've been an interesting film.
I have never met one single person who used Twitter to find what movies were popular but, most people saw this coming since Endgame closed out the Infinity Saga. Marvel/Disney has just lost it's way.
How many Spider-Man movies have we had since _Avengers: Endgame?_ Two with Tom Holland, and then the animated one this year. There could have been more if they'd had a Spider-Man or Spider-Woman (or Miles Morales) in Venom and Morbius, and maybe they'd all be good. It wasn't a sure thing that Marvel movies would bomb, but someone (Feige) dropped the bomb.
Disney had three of my favorite franchises - Marvel, Star Wars, and Indy - literally money making machines that were universally loved - and they deliberately ruined them, with malice aforethought.
@@Matt-bg5wgBlaming everything on identity politics won't bring change or reflection to these studios and executives. It's easy for them to say all the complainers are misogynists or bigoted. Everyone needs to focus on the awful writing, flow, and other technical problems to get any actual change in the industry.
its just writing thats the problem. All three of these fanchises simply had plot that makes NO SENSE. Before actors are chosen a script needs to fit within the rules of its universe. @@Matt-bg5wg
@@jacosisabaI actually agree. Even though they are doing this for identity politics you're right. Focus on criticism of the terrible writing and bad character development instead.
Feige's emergency button will be the X-men. And depending on how he executes it, it can either be the recovery of the century or the final nail in the MCU coffin.
@@Chasing_santinoSeeing that the Marvels had more men than women watch in theaters is really all the proof that Twitter and social media is not real life.
@@sunnydennison3302I’ll explain it- it sucks. And the multiverse sucks as a plot device too- 1 or 2 movies of that is plenty. And Kang is not a compelling villain.
My unresearched unscientific theory: despite some people saying the Marvels being a fun movie and despite Grace giving it a positive spin, most people will say not worth the expensive cinema experience, will wait for Disney+.
Plus, as home theaters improve, we no longer desire the cinema experience as much. I mean, we all have big screens at home now, right? I'm totally looking forward to Marvels on streaming.
I liked the Marvels, wanted to see it in the theater, and I did. After listening to some of my youtube critics, I agree it had a tv vibe and would be a good idea to wait for streaming.
There’s no excuses for this failure. You cannot say “but the strike me at no promo” when five nights at Freddy’s has made its money back. Twitter is NOT the real world, and in the real world, the audience has rejected The Marvels in spectacular fashion.
@@ranelgallardo7031 that's the fault of overpriced and over produced crap movies FNAF did the responsible thing and kept the budget reasonable and are winning for it. Oh and respecting the source material and fans doesn't hurt either.
@@Chasing_santino Exactly! On top of that Five Nights at Freddy's is available both to stream on Peacock and to see in the Theatres, and has made over $270M!
The marvels isn't damaging diverse storytelling. Diverse storytelling damaged the marvels. When you put diversity first, you necessarily put story 2nd (at best).
I wonder what's up with Disney's trailer teams. Their trailers have been catastrophic the last couple years. Strange Worlds, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Marvels and now Wish. They commit the worst offence a trailer can do - be forgettible and bland.
The reason why Harley tanked but BARBIE floated is because Harley is still a superhero film that completely ditched its target audience (which is still men) while Barbie did a perfect job targeting their girls and sticking to fan service. See how easy this is to understand??? Find your target audience and just focus on them.
In the Barbie movie, a big plot point was how the male Kens were treated as second class citizens. That doesn't sound like traditional femininity to me.@@Jspence202
I kind of want to know how the whole world of the hunger games got started in the first place, how it was before the war, and what led to the creation of the hunger games more.
@@isaiasherrero7889Only if they do that on this movie because they focus on things that people don't really care. Nobody gives a sh!t about Snow lol 😂
I'm in the south and _Hunger Games_ nearly sold out the last couple days (people didn't want to sit in the front row). I was surprised it did that well, but they told me it was based on the book and not something that Hollywood just made up. Yes, I guess it drew a younger crowd than those who saw the previous, which is why I thought without Katniss, who would go? It probably competed for screen with _Trolls_ and other movies.
@@GolDFish-if1ovThis was adapted from a book. There are no other books from other Victors POV. Suzanne Collins wrote a book about Snow because she had an idea of the theme she wanted to get across and incorporated that theme with the character of Snow. Lionsgate will only adapt books Suzanne writes. If you want her to write more books about Victors go see the movie!
Remember when Disney had the nerve to try to bully theaters into getting a bigger slice of tickets sales bc their movies were the driving force for the industry.....oooooof
Remember when everyone was taking about how poorly The Flash was doing? This is another level. The Flash might have a better final gross by a wide margin.
I thought The Flash was a good movie. I was never a fan of the character, dont know or care about Ezra Miller or his drama, and I'm over superhero films, I went primarily for Micheal Keaton and was NOT disappointed. It was a solid film to me.
The idea that people have taken on as important a challenge as championing diverse storytelling, and then have done it shittily, is extremely frustrating.
Grace championing Barbie so much is all well and good, however let's not forget that Barbie is the biggest female related IP ever, and whenever the movie came out, it will more than likely be the very first female movie event in history. (Kudos to the marketing campaign). Barbie (2023)'s success is more than understandable, especially from a box office POV. I don't feel like comparing it with other female-led movies is fair in my opinion.
I dismiss this idea of the "male gaze" because women tend to prefer and aspire to those archetypes too. That's part of the reason they all showed up to Barbie.
I think it’s less male gaze and more that people like stereotypically popular, attractive and likable characters! People say that the women of The Marvels “represent real women,” but I think for the most part people go to the movies for escapism. They don’t wanna go to a fun superhero movie and be brought down or reminded of imperfections.
Grace did not explain the male gaze very well - as an English major I can tell you it’s far more complex than discussed here - and claiming it’s reponsible for succes or otherwise is ridiculous. Most movies are male gaze - and their also tanking.
@@veronicamaine3813 She is always pretty broad in her critique though. Like, when she just says 'the animation was bad' in something. Im like, can you please expand on that and why, because that is quite an ignorant statement. I studied the male gaze too, and in the end really had no issue with it unless it is being used in a derogatory way. I like watching beautiful women, I like looking at them in film, TV and art, and Im not male and Im straight. I like movies that have men in relationships with beautiful women etc etc. (You wrote 'their instead of 'they're' 🤭)
Those movies are targeted towards young women. Problem is, young women don’t really want to go to the movies anymore. They went to see “Barbie,” because it became a social media phenomenon, and young girls and women went to see “Barbie” so they can post about on TikTok or Insta. Memo to the studios, women don’t really go to the movies (in droves) anymore.
Another thing studios aren't considering is that most ppl are paying more for groceries & gas/travel, etc & seeing a movie is a luxury (not a necessity)
I think Barbie was a great movie and I know there was a lot of pro-feminism and all that. But I took away that when Barbieland was run totally by women, it was ridiculous and clearly saying that "women only" would be just as bad as the Ken-dom. Not one of those Barbie jobs at the beginning we're saying they were amazing at the jobs. I think it was saying that men and women should both be respected to get a better result. That's why I liked it. I think that saying one or the other is better and the other is terrible is just playing into the media narrative and not doing anyone any favors.
For someone who admits Twitter is no longer that relevant, I think you are leaning too much on a "Twitter-like conclusion" of why those movies failed. I don't think this has do to with activism at all. The Marvels has an awful title, lead characters that most people don't know and a very strong feeling of "I need to do homework to watch this". And Hunger Games is just not that popular, it was a phase, that phase is gone. The movie industry as whole is in trouble, people just don't go to the movie that often anymore. Mission Impossible, Fast X, Transformers... where are the activism in that? And all of those flopped. The degree may vary because they each came in very different contexts. But the trend is there all through the year.
Movie Math starts off with a non sequitur on Elon & more effusive praise of Barbie etc Her own form of activism to tell you The Marvels, Hunger Games & soon to be Wish are decrepit bombs 😅
Thinking that they can stick Thanksgiving on digital a week after a theatrical release is EXACTLY what got us here. Nobody wants to go to a theater if you’re sending movies straight to streaming.
It’s not about super hero fatigue, it’s not about representation. If Marvel, Disney, anyone wants to succeed then they need to start writing good stories, with characters people can emotionally engage with. And people engage better with moral dilemmas rather than political agendas. It’s called human nature.
Agreed, we as moviegoers want to escape from ESG political nonsense, feminist dribble in our films! The reason why female lead films of the past did so well is because their script were GREAT! Well, written. Didn't disrespect what it meant to be female! The heroine didn't overshadow its male counterparts. Feige is introducing way to many characters that have no bearing on films or phases they're trying to create. To many characters written by folks who never understood those characters, the source material, and outright disrespect said source material 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏽♂️! Marvel needs to slow down and stop hiring people who have political agendas! We don't give a damn about diversity. If you and your character is again well written, fits within the overall storyarc of phases great!
I think its kind of insulting to keep using the term male gaze. It makes natural male attraction to women sound creepy. It also ignores that both sexes like to see attractive actors in movies. If your going to on purpose avoid the male gaze, which too often means just making women unattractive, well it turns out women dont watch those movies either.
People may have used the term female gaze for some movies, like men with muscles such as Captain America and Thor. Someone said women liked the TV version of the Incredible Hulk as his muscles burst through his clothes as he changed.
You’re insulted because it doesn’t affect you. Read up on what it is and why it’s something that’s important to point out as it’s been ignored for decades.
Rachel Zegler has really rubbed some people the wrong way. My girlfriends friend who isn’t a conservative in the slightest was extremely annoyed with her disrespect to both Snow White and the Hunger game’s franchises
Weird to me about how bothered ppl are about "disrespecting" the movie Snow White when nobody has cared about it in 50 years. One interview and ppl still talking about it months later. Y'all know she's done a million interviews and is generally thoughtful and kind. She really is not a huge activist.
@@trent2219 My gf’s friend is an actor as well and she just saw it as unprofessional and that there’s really no reason to talk bad about it when you’re doing promo.
It's strange. Interested in the Hunger Games seems very high here in Europe. I posted about it on my instagram stories and a lot of people replied they had plans of seeing it either this week or the next, with people rereading the books or rewatching the other movies. When I actually went to see it, my theatre was packed and tickets sold out fast. It's gonna be very weird if this movie underperforms, i thought it was the 2nd best in the franchise.
Yep definitely doing well over seas. I’m in the UK and I was genuinely surprised at the turn out for this prequel in my screening. I thought people didn’t really care for the Hunger Games anymore but there’s definitely still fans and interest.
I think the most people will go see it Thanksgiving weekend with families. I'll be going to see it for a second time with the fam I would definitely put the movie in the top 3
@@ShaneyBright Disney's recent animated films are pretty generic. There is nothing memorable about them. Not even the music. Compare that to the 90's animated films like Alladdin and The Lion King.
I thought last weeks would be THE big explosive movie math episode of the winter movie season. After seeing the drop off %, i realised it’s actually this week 😭
Lucy Gray Baird is not meant to be like Katniss at all. She’s not even the main character in the spin off, Snow is. She’s a singer because that is what she was in the book so I’m not seeing how that was a miscalculation.
It doesn’t matter if that’s the source material, the point she was making is that action based characters like Katniss are more commercial which is why this movie isn’t doing as well
Most people dont read. What its adapted from doesnt matter to them. Its about what gets put on screen. The miscalculation would be making the movie in the first place. If it doesnt have a similar dynamic to the first one.
Some of that may be true but as an artist, I think that the caliber of screenwriting has seriously gone downhill. With a flood of content needed, for streaming and films, there are only so many talented writers that can do only so much. Writing quality content is hard, and this flood of content is forcing the crap to rise.
If there’s still life in superhero movies, studios need to get back to basics with the lead roles/heros and plots. Casting likeable and somewhat popular people that fit the roles. Complacency is real and the ticket sales are the proof.
I think instead of thinking male gaze, movie producers should think would this outfit become a popular cosplay outfit ( both male and female). Clearly, the movie version needs to be better quality. The first Harley Quinn outfit was the top female cosplay and Halloween costume for years. Women choose to wear it. That said, it should be for both male and female that producers think differently.
Well, they might be thinking of it at Sony, as Grace compared the Madame Web costume to Catwoman's. Not sure how the mask would protect you against facial recognition software.
They say we lost a lot of screens during COVID (2000). Those that survived could have upgraded, done repairs, etc. when interest rates were low and no one was going, but not many did. The predictions at the start of 2020 was 3 years, but some people didn't want to hear that and shouted the experts down. Sure enough, people have been saying all year that such-and-such movie was their first return to the theater.
Audiences love diversity when it isn’t forced . You talk about black presidents . Heck ! We had Morgan Freeman as GOD , and it was great ! No one during those times was yelling “ LOOOKKK WE HAVE A BLACK GUY PLAYING GOD!!!”
My wife and her friends went to see Barbie but afterwards I heard that they were disappointed because of the politics. So, I believe that a lot of people got tricked into watching it because they were expecting something different. I don’t think you can trick them again for a sequel.
@@BigTimeBecks96 I’m a Greta Gerwig fan. She probably wouldn’t be involved with a sequel and if she was “some” people would not go just because of her because they did not like the first Barbie. No way a sequel would do as well and like I said I am a BIG Greta Gerwig fan.
@@samkj1953I go to movies to watch attractive and yes objectify men and women. As a paying costumer, i make no apologies for it. Except for a few activist dwee bs there is nothing unsual about that. Trying to shame or browbeat costumers to fit your activist view of what movies should be will continue to cause movies to flop. Stick to what works.
BARBIE IS WHAT SOLD BARBIE not Margo Robbie. The same as Ninetido Mario cart game and donkey kong sold that movie. Quit trying to make FETCH work. Its not a thing.
@@BaithNaTo be fair, they really don’t make “conservative” movies. And that sound of freedom movie did pretty well for low budget. Lastly, most movies make the most money in cities. And the biggest movie going cities tend to be more liberal (NYC, LA, NJ).
So much for "We only go to the cinema because we want to see ourselves on the big screen", huh Grace? 😂 The Marvels and The Hunger Games both switched perspective to try to appeal to the demographic that usually avoids their previous movies, and both could not manage to bring in a new audience and had to be heavily supported by the audience they already had.
I am a big Hunger Games fan. I have read all the books and watched all the movies when they came out and rewatched them time and time again. Hunger Games was my favorite franchise after Harry Potter ended. I went and saw a Ballad of songbirds and snakes. I loved this movie it had a big thriller element and I loved the dynamics of the characters. I haven't been to the movies in a while and I was happy I went and saw it. I would love to see more spin-offs and world-building but I doubt that will ever happen.
I think another main issue with the low box office numbers is also, the actual movie theater experience. The last movie I went to was for John Wick 4 and for 3 of us it was over $80. Then the movie theater wasn't that clean, there were long lines for the bathrooms and concession stands. I loved the movie but I didn't feel it was worth price or the add aggravation of going to the movie theater. It is far easier and cheaper to wait for the digital releases. I'm planning on getting the Marvels when it comes out on digital, mainly for Iman Vellani, and watching it with my whole family.
@@ICU1337Food is definitely part of the movie experience for most people. Concession prices are way too high and sometimes it's better to wait to watch a movie at home than to do so with no food. It is on movie theaters because if the experience that people want is too expensive then people go less often and they make less
@@MrRiveracruz that's some brainwashed thinking 🧟🧟♀️paying $10 for a bag of Skittles and $7 for a bottle of water is some next level logic defying decisions. You can absolutely enjoy a movie with out buying a bunch of overpriced concessions. Paying $80 for 🍿🥤 is *wild* man😳
1:16 "Growing up in a Christian household" is not exactly a guarantee the individual is still a Christian, or even respectful towards Christian themes (a *lot* of angry atheists had religious upbringings.) If anything it sounds like a bit of a red flag since it sounds defensive (for the record I really like Gerwig, though maybe more as an actress than a filmmaker I just am very sceptical she's the right person for Narnia.)
Yes, I am buying Oppenheimer both on digital and 4K physical. I’ve seen so many people who aren’t usually into buying physical media, are actually buying Oppenheimer. So it could be big in sales.
@@samkj1953 No, it was the brand. Plus the fact that the trailers made Barbieland look pretty and pink and colorful. Things which women like. Barbie is probably the most iconic girl's toy of all time. It illicits deep nostalgia for most women. The movie could have been directed by Rian Johnson, and it would have still done well. After all the years of superhero and action movies, women were just happy to finally have a big budget movie designed for them.
That's a truly insane drop. The Marvels was bottom barrel MCU but holy smoke, 78% is insane. The wheels of the MCU train are veering off a cliff - let's hope they can course correct. I would like more Ms Marvel though, the actor gave a fabulous performance
@@miz4535 well apparently she was the best part of the movie (which was not that hard to do) but she was really good in the Ms. Marvel show and she seems like a good person, hasn’t bashed the fans nor made excuses for this failure.
Honestly Grace with the price of everything increasing, especially fast food and groceries, I don't want to spend the few dimes I have remaining to see a lackluster movie with a lazy plot. I tend to stream movies because they are much cheaper later. I think this is why Marvel is failing so hard, after following a slew of mediocre stories.
It's funny. My family (full of women) were just talking about how hunger games was amazing and a dominant force of its time... then I inserted and asked if they were going to watch the new movie... Silence! Some were like, 'there's a new movie'? Others were like "nah".
I think the Marvels failure is more so “no one asked for it” than it being because of women being lead and politics because Black Widow didn’t do this bad at all 😩
Thats such a strange weird and odd,. excuse to make considering produces sort of just decide wtf they think will work. Who asked for movies like 1975's Jaws, 1973's The Exorcist , or the crop of 11939 movie classics like Gone with the Wind and the Wizard of Oz, Gunga Din,..Or Mice and Me? Who asked for those movies? Who asked for 1977s Star Wars? Only George Lucas and one Fox Producer had ANY idea that space fantasy movie with space wizards with laser swords would work,.LoL NO one else "asked for " Star Wars,..
@@terryshrkI thunk it makes more sense with a huge franchise like the MCU where fans ARE in fact, asking for certain movies. They’ve been asking for years for the X-men, fantastic four, more Spider-Man, Wanda, but there’s been little to no fan demand for captain marvel and these other actresses
Grace, tou know that Barbie is Men's Rights Activist movie, right? Thats why the most popular character from that movie was male and ended up outshining Barbie herself. Everything was functional when the Kens made Barbie World work. It was only when Barbie herself returned and saw they were thriving without her that she flew into a rage and basically destroyed their world before leaving because even she didnt want to stay there anymore after she was finished putting the Kens back in their place.
"Movies and shows often start conversations, and can break down barriers and introduce ideas." They used to. But much of mainstream media and Hollywood is more concerned with distraction and division for cynical motives. It's about shaming groups, generalising and lecturing, with the exception of a handful of directors and indie movies.
10:23 I appreciated that joke from a business perspective. But, I have to say that Tom Blyth was absolutely fantastic for the role. It would be a shame to not get recognized for it.
I really think Rachel Zegler hurt the Hunger Games movie. Compare her “Star power” to Jennifer Lawrence’s. It’s not even close. Her vocal fanbase on Twitter on fanbase is very disproportionate to the amount of people who just don’t like her.
The only actual stars in the new Hunger Games are the adults like Viola Davis and Peter Dinklage, and maybe Hunter Schaffer, but her role was very small and not heavily advertised. I don't know if name brand star power would have even helped. Also worth noting that originally JLaw blew up because of her portrayal of Katniss, she had hype from Winter's Bone but THG made her a household name, she wasn't one before the franchise got rolling.
Because Zegler started this activism first before becoming an actress, Jennifer was not, but later on, Jennifer also became an activist, look what happened to her career, from 2021 to 2023 she only had 1 Big Screen Movie, and it flop.
How many have been “failures” now? You cannot compare every movie to Barbie. That was an event movie that doesn’t come often. The bigger issue here is STREAMING. Audiences have changed and one has to be completely blind to not see it. Yes, some movies have made mistakes, but they are ALL victims of people not wanting to go to the movies and waiting for streaming.
No, the movies are just not good enough to go the theater for. Everyone is talking about "streaming", but we already could sit at home and watch stuff before streaming, and networks and channels showed theater movies; not to mention there was a far greater option of physical media, whether buying or renting; and yet, people still went to the movie theaters.
So, studios just need to discern more accurately what is going to be an "event" movie. There were always "event" movies...Cleopatra, Ben-Hur, the huge productions that ran long and had intermissions...and there were always little movies that you went to see on Saturday afternoon without even checking the listings. The event movie concept is still with us. It's the Saturday afternoon matinee concept that's gone to streaming. One of Disney's problems is that they're flipping coins to determine which of their productions is an "event" and which is a Saturday afternoon matinee. What they tried to do with The Marvels, trying to turn a chapter of a Saturday afternoon matinee serial into an event, is exactly what their working toward with various Star Wars series on Disney+ and their planned "Dave Filoni theatrical movie that ties everything together."
It took _Austin Powers_ 5 months after theater release to go to home video rentals (May vs. October). They need to take that amount of time to get butts in theater seats.
@@kirkdarling4120 No, studios need to discern what is a good story and thus movie; part of that is getting rid of the ideology and the ESG DEI nonsense.
I’m a fan of Grace because her data and knowledge of the industry are impressive even if her view is skewed. Generally she is a very thoughtful reporter
Oh, please, Grace isn't based at all; even now she's still whining over "representation" as if the supposed lack of it indicates some kind of discrimination from Hollywood, rather than women just not choosing to enter the field.
They didn't give Feige too many toys. He just led with the bargain bin action figures instead of the collector's item variants we've been clamoring for. OG Avenger, X-Men, and a traditional casting of Fantastic 4 would've kept the MCU flying high.
Agree. The next step was X-Men, Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom as the main villain. No one cares about digging up C-List Marvel heroes (not even B-listers) for crappy streaming series and even crappier movies. The stories would have had to have been amazing for this to work, but they're not.
I feel what these activist Actors and Directors forget is ‘a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.’ Barbie was nothing BUT SUGAR in its ad campaign which allowed general audiences to get on board and then have a meaningful conversation about it after watching the film. These recent films have been giving us nothing but cough syrup and yelling at us when we say we don’t want it anymore. People go to the movies to escape, not to be lectured.
I felt you could take it as serious or deep as you wanted to. I almost went to see it a second time, mainly for the visuals I might have missed in Barbieland.
"People go to the movies to escape" if you're an idiot. As if films can't tackle anything serious. Last week I saw May December. I don't see why you can't get lost in anything that isn't brain dead and upbeat.
Has nothing to do with Elon musk. The fact is, Twitter has always just been a place for vocal minorities to scream at the top of their lungs & create a disproportionate picture of how the masses actually feel. Studios simply can’t rely on spending hundreds of millions trying to satisfy these small vocal groups. Get back to making entertaining films & make some profits, or stay the course & run the industry into the ground.
Well, you give sub-par products and these are the results. The market has spoken and Disney and Lions Gate messed around and fiund out. Hopefully, this will make other studios realize that brand name recognition is only as good as the stories that make up those brands.
I told yall hunger games was gonna tank. that movie should have cane out 10 yrs ago. AND AGAIN...SOCIAL MEDIA ISNT REAL LIFE!! And again just cause you are an actor who is highly opinionated doesn't make you can activist! Zachary Levi and Chris Pratt can say stuff on their social media that made people upset but people still go to his movies
Grace I do want to point out that the first Fantastic Beasts actually was successful and was able to beat Doctor Strange at the box office by more than 100M
I loved Wonderwoman because she was strong but also soft. Being a feminist does not mean you are better than anyone else, it's when you want to be equal. Captain Marvel has an attitude that does not sit well with me.
No one is talking about the elephant in the room, we are in a bad economy, people are hurting financially and they will cut off movie theaters before anything else
Everyone evangelizes. They’re pushing and verbalizing their perspective to the masses. You evangelize with every post. Every movie evangelizes, every post on any social media platform evangelizes and any other place where people can be heard. We as the listeners decide who we condemn and condone.
If I were Feige I would stop doing movies about minor characters who nobody ever liked. Bring back the X-Men. I would bet that Disney+ series about Kitty Pryde, Storm, or Rogue would do much better than series about Echo, Ms. Marvel, and Agatha. Why? Because people always liked these characters. Eventually these could all lead up to an X-Men movie reboot.
I personally wouldn't waste anymore time with another streaming series let alone put X-men characters in them if I was Feige. Put the X-men directly on the big screen movies with actual quality scriptwriters and actors. Don't pull a DC James Gunn with a soft reboot. The X-men needs a full hard reboot. The ONLY exception I'd make is for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. That's it. For every other X-men, get new fresh and upcoming actors.
You get that the MCU didn’t have the rights to these characters? It was built using secondary characters like Iron Man and Captain America for a reason, and I think it’s a benefit in terms of how free they are to tell stories. People aren’t as locked into the lore of these characters, so we don’t have to watch Uncle Ben or the Wayne’s die over and over because *everyone* expects it. Any story about the X-men means walking in lock-step towards the Phoenix saga, AGAIN.
@@_Just_Another_Guy When Netflix introduced Marvel shows they were popular and didn't attenuate the brand. So for me the problem isn't multiple platforms it's quality control. But, I agree that the X-Men should be rebooted with new actors and actresses. I would introduce Wolverine last and reboot him as well. Hugh Jackman can't do it forever.
@@epbrown01 There's plenty of great X-Men material to draw from. They have rebooted Spider-Man three times and the third time was arguably the most successful (though my favorite is still Spiderman 2 with Toby Maguire). I would rather have a new take on a good character than the introduction of another weak character. At least for people like me who grew up reading Marvel, Iron Man and Thor were never really secondary characters but always among the most important to the overall Marvel Universe.
@@epbrown01 The X-men doesn't just have the (Dark) Phoenix and Apocalypse saga, despite the two storylines being the most well-known ones. The X-men comics have: - The Brood saga - The Phalanx saga - The Onslaught saga - House of M saga - Schism - The Messiah Complex saga - The Shi'ar Empire saga
i’m also a fan of viola davis, but i completely forgot she was in this movie and i’m the kind of film nerd who can recall release dates and full cast lists. poor job on the marketing in my opinion
Diversity used to work. Predator, Blade, Aliens, Terminator, Gladiator. They hired great actors who happened to be diverse. Now they hire diverse writers, directors and actors, whether or not they are competent. 😑
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The Marvels didn't just have the biggest 2nd weekend drop in the MCU, it's the biggest 2nd weekend drop of ANY superhero film EVER!
Yep. Bad writing also plays a role.
No one cares about these characters.
@@zzygyy The bad writing and directing didn't help.
I was gonna say, it's up there with Shazam 2, Black Adam, Morbius. Right?
And it's wonderful.
Twitter was NEVER a reliable source for what is popular. That was always the problem.
All Elon did was stop censoring people due to political preference ..
@@mac.1o798 youre delusional if you think there’s no censorship now
Yep, it's insane she saying "normal people" are leaving Twitter. Since when young people with way to much free time, that define their entire life's around activism over some ideology is "normal people"?
@@littlelordfuckleroy3822 I don’t think even the leftist media is accusing Elon of censorship. Their main complaint as always is that he isn’t censoring conservatives.
If normal people have been driven away from Twitter, the implication is that all the people who wanted these movies are abnormal😂
Let me help simplify the narrative here: audiences don’t care if your leads or characters are diverse or male or female. They care about good character and good story. None of the films coming out right now have either and hence, poor performance at the box office.
People who are obsessed with representation and political grandstanding will never comprehend what you just said. Does not compute!
FACTS!
🎯
hunger games is doing great, the others i don’t care for. but i’m seeing packed houses for it weeks out
As a black male I totally agree I don’t care what colour the actor is I care about good movies 🤷🏽♂️
Grace, how could you leave out Kate Beckinsale's Underworld franchise as an example of a powerful female lead that didn't shy away from the male gaze? Five movies spanning 13 years. Who cares if the critics hated them, they made money.
My guilty pleasure movies
I love the Underworld movies lmao.
Awakening was the best one in my opinion!
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 I love the first two. I really like rise of the Lycans as well.
@@AdeleKakwandi yea those are good. I like all the movies, Awakening just happens to be my favorite. I wanted a spin off with her daughter.
The issue I have with the female characters in recent marvel films is the studio's fear of making them complicated with internal issues to overcome. In the comics, Danvers has PTSD and a drinking problem while Monica's early appearances showed her being quick to anger and issues with authority. In the films, the two characters just have one trait, stoic. To have those characters share the same issues as their comic book counterparts while trying to be good role models to Ms. Marvel would've been an interesting film.
You definitely didn't watch the Marvels or Multiverse of Madness. They are all about overcoming internal hangups.
@@WhatsBiggin Wanda is amazing, but she is not the hero or lead of the film.
And a lot of people didnt watch the Marvels.
PTSD... from what? MCU Carol Danvers hasn't met Rogue, hasn't had to deal with losing powers. And she was amnesiac until just before Endgame.
You watch the marvels? Because Carol has major guilt in that film, and both her and Monica are dealing with a lot.
All of the female characters in these movies are dealing with just as much internal issues as the men are
I have never met one single person who used Twitter to find what movies were popular but, most people saw this coming since Endgame closed out the Infinity Saga. Marvel/Disney has just lost it's way.
How many Spider-Man movies have we had since _Avengers: Endgame?_ Two with Tom Holland, and then the animated one this year. There could have been more if they'd had a Spider-Man or Spider-Woman (or Miles Morales) in Venom and Morbius, and maybe they'd all be good. It wasn't a sure thing that Marvel movies would bomb, but someone (Feige) dropped the bomb.
Twitter wasn't real life before it changed owners, and it isn't now either.
The MCU needed like 7 or 8 years off after Endgame.
@@EddieHenderson92 Cap.
MCU needed like 7 or 8 good writers/directors/creatives who weren't DEI managers.
Disney had three of my favorite franchises - Marvel, Star Wars, and Indy - literally money making machines that were universally loved - and they deliberately ruined them, with malice aforethought.
Identity politics and the quest for high ESG scores has nearly brought blockbuster Hollywood to their knees
@@Matt-bg5wgBlaming everything on identity politics won't bring change or reflection to these studios and executives. It's easy for them to say all the complainers are misogynists or bigoted. Everyone needs to focus on the awful writing, flow, and other technical problems to get any actual change in the industry.
its just writing thats the problem. All three of these fanchises simply had plot that makes NO SENSE. Before actors are chosen a script needs to fit within the rules of its universe. @@Matt-bg5wg
I doubt they did it deliberately lol
@@jacosisabaI actually agree. Even though they are doing this for identity politics you're right. Focus on criticism of the terrible writing and bad character development instead.
Feige's emergency button will be the X-men.
And depending on how he executes it, it can either be the recovery of the century or the final nail in the MCU coffin.
Xmen and fantastic 4, Dr Doom is maybe the most iconic villain they have.
mcu is dead since end game, let it rest in peace
I agree with you, and I am not hopeful.
Feige hasn't learned from his mistakes, so i wouldn't give much hope for the X men.
@@ste13eh. X men can bring it back
Oh man… remember those glorious times we lived when the first avengers did so well at the box office, and hunger games was starting?
You mean when Hollywood took chances on new stories and bold ways of telling them? Yeah we all miss those days
Back in my day movies walked uphill both ways.
It wasn't any agenda back then
Why has no one mentioned or even realize that the real reason those movies made money and these ones now don't is because they were GOOD MOVIES.
@pepperidgefarm1003 Good movies also often fail to make money.
when you keep shouting “our movies aren’t made for you!!”, don’t be surprised when we finally listen. 🍿
Who is "we"?
@@Chasing_santinoSeeing that the Marvels had more men than women watch in theaters is really all the proof that Twitter and social media is not real life.
@@originaldelta Explain the Loki flop then
@@sunnydennison3302I’ll explain it- it sucks. And the multiverse sucks as a plot device too- 1 or 2 movies of that is plenty. And Kang is not a compelling villain.
Who is the „you“ and who is the „we“ and who represents that „we“??
A 78% drop is NUTS!!!!!!
Biggest 2nd weekend drop of all time for a superhero movie
How long do you think the Marvels will remain in theaters?
Historic
@@akchanneltv4084what’s the first
@@akchanneltv4084what movie had a bigger drop than this one?
My unresearched unscientific theory: despite some people saying the Marvels being a fun movie and despite Grace giving it a positive spin, most people will say not worth the expensive cinema experience, will wait for Disney+.
Plus, as home theaters improve, we no longer desire the cinema experience as much. I mean, we all have big screens at home now, right? I'm totally looking forward to Marvels on streaming.
I liked the Marvels, wanted to see it in the theater, and I did. After listening to some of my youtube critics, I agree it had a tv vibe and would be a good idea to wait for streaming.
It was a mid tier movie, but I still think it was worth the cost of the ticket. But then again, I go to see all the movies in the MCU.
Disney is paying for her cinema viewings and supporting her channel.
This should have been a Disney+ special much like the Guardians of the galaxy Christmas special.
There’s no excuses for this failure. You cannot say “but the strike me at no promo” when five nights at Freddy’s has made its money back. Twitter is NOT the real world, and in the real world, the audience has rejected The Marvels in spectacular fashion.
FNAF's budget is very small. If it was a $200 million dollar movie to make like most movies are nowadays, it would bomb.
@@ranelgallardo7031 that's the fault of overpriced and over produced crap movies FNAF did the responsible thing and kept the budget reasonable and are winning for it. Oh and respecting the source material and fans doesn't hurt either.
@@Chasing_santino Exactly! On top of that Five Nights at Freddy's is available both to stream on Peacock and to see in the Theatres, and has made over $270M!
@@Chasing_santinowhy do you call it a girl power movie, simply because the lead actors are women? I didn’t get girl power at all from this movie.
You missed it was also on streaming, meaning you could watch a good copy online
The marvels isn't damaging diverse storytelling. Diverse storytelling damaged the marvels. When you put diversity first, you necessarily put story 2nd (at best).
I wonder what's up with Disney's trailer teams. Their trailers have been catastrophic the last couple years. Strange Worlds, Elemental, Ant Man 3, Marvels and now Wish. They commit the worst offence a trailer can do - be forgettible and bland.
You can gild and polish a turd, but inside it’s still going to be a turd.
and yet I gave Elemental a try last week and I LOVED it.
too many diversity hires without actually checking if they're qualified or have the skills to do the job
@@thiskneegrowdid you even see elementals? It's great
It's low on the list of issues, but with the animated movies, I find the art style and character design unappealing.
There was no debate about Twitter Grace. .
A lot of people have been saying to you for years that Twitter does not represent actual reality 😂
She said one reason she's still on X is because industry people still use it.
If social media was a indicator on interest, Snakes on a Plane would have joined the Billion $ club 🥴
Make better movies that appeal to everyone. It's that simple...
Write better scripts before making them
I agree marvel needs better script analysts.
Why does a film need to appeal to everyone? If it appeals to everyone it likely won't be very good. It will be lowest common denominator garbage.
@miz4535 Movies need to make money. Its a no brainer.
The reason why Harley tanked but BARBIE floated is because Harley is still a superhero film that completely ditched its target audience (which is still men) while Barbie did a perfect job targeting their girls and sticking to fan service.
See how easy this is to understand??? Find your target audience and just focus on them.
Exactly. Until company's and people like grace understand that men not women are the core audience for superheroes including female heros!
Barbie is a woman who wants to be a perfect woman, not Mary Sue.
@@hisham031170 you mean women went to see a movie about traditional femininity. And not movie's were women act like men. Go figure
In the Barbie movie, a big plot point was how the male Kens were treated as second class citizens. That doesn't sound like traditional femininity to me.@@Jspence202
@@greywolf7577 but it is. Talking about how someone or something is being treated and how they FEEL is very traditionally feminine
If they were to make another hunger games movie, i’d suggest them doing the 50th game, haymitches one. Super interesting.
I kind of want to know how the whole world of the hunger games got started in the first place, how it was before the war, and what led to the creation of the hunger games more.
@@isaiasherrero7889Only if they do that on this movie because they focus on things that people don't really care. Nobody gives a sh!t about Snow lol 😂
I'm in the south and _Hunger Games_ nearly sold out the last couple days (people didn't want to sit in the front row). I was surprised it did that well, but they told me it was based on the book and not something that Hollywood just made up. Yes, I guess it drew a younger crowd than those who saw the previous, which is why I thought without Katniss, who would go? It probably competed for screen with _Trolls_ and other movies.
@@GolDFish-if1ovThis was adapted from a book. There are no other books from other Victors POV. Suzanne Collins wrote a book about Snow because she had an idea of the theme she wanted to get across and incorporated that theme with the character of Snow. Lionsgate will only adapt books Suzanne writes. If you want her to write more books about Victors go see the movie!
@@isaiasherrero7889That movie would flop to be honest
Remember when Disney had the nerve to try to bully theaters into getting a bigger slice of tickets sales bc their movies were the driving force for the industry.....oooooof
"If you want _Star Wars_ you'd better...."
Remember when everyone was taking about how poorly The Flash was doing? This is another level. The Flash might have a better final gross by a wide margin.
I thought The Flash was a good movie. I was never a fan of the character, dont know or care about Ezra Miller or his drama, and I'm over superhero films, I went primarily for Micheal Keaton and was NOT disappointed. It was a solid film to me.
Of course it will
Diverse story telling still has to be good storytelling.
The idea that people have taken on as important a challenge as championing diverse storytelling, and then have done it shittily, is extremely frustrating.
It's crazy that there was ever a point in time where Twitter really was a deciding factor on what was popular or not regarding certain media.
its still a deciding factor on what is news as you just quote it for your story
Twitter is very good at making an niche echo-chamber feel like the majority opinion.
Agreed. Twitter is only about 2 percent of the population and five percent of that two percent make 80 percent of the tweets.
Twitter is such an echo chamber.
More people still on Facebook and Instagram.
@ssshar2176 you don't think FB is an echo chamber?
Grace championing Barbie so much is all well and good, however let's not forget that Barbie is the biggest female related IP ever, and whenever the movie came out, it will more than likely be the very first female movie event in history. (Kudos to the marketing campaign).
Barbie (2023)'s success is more than understandable, especially from a box office POV.
I don't feel like comparing it with other female-led movies is fair in my opinion.
You are correct. I never expected anything less from the character lol. She's huge. Her trailer alone was the talk of the town for awhile
🎯 it catures to the their target audience. Exactly what Marvel and Star Wars have been fighting against.
I dismiss this idea of the "male gaze" because women tend to prefer and aspire to those archetypes too. That's part of the reason they all showed up to Barbie.
I think it’s less male gaze and more that people like stereotypically popular, attractive and likable characters! People say that the women of The Marvels “represent real women,” but I think for the most part people go to the movies for escapism. They don’t wanna go to a fun superhero movie and be brought down or reminded of imperfections.
Grace did not explain the male gaze very well - as an English major I can tell you it’s far more complex than discussed here - and claiming it’s reponsible for succes or otherwise is ridiculous. Most movies are male gaze - and their also tanking.
Yeah because women didn't go see Aquaman because of Jason Mamoa
@@veronicamaine3813 She is always pretty broad in her critique though. Like, when she just says 'the animation was bad' in something. Im like, can you please expand on that and why, because that is quite an ignorant statement.
I studied the male gaze too, and in the end really had no issue with it unless it is being used in a derogatory way. I like watching beautiful women, I like looking at them in film, TV and art, and Im not male and Im straight. I like movies that have men in relationships with beautiful women etc etc.
(You wrote 'their instead of 'they're' 🤭)
@@JoseLHernandezJ Women also turned up for Barbie because of Ryan 'Ken' Gosling.
Those movies are targeted towards young women. Problem is, young women don’t really want to go to the movies anymore. They went to see “Barbie,” because it became a social media phenomenon, and young girls and women went to see “Barbie” so they can post about on TikTok or Insta. Memo to the studios, women don’t really go to the movies (in droves) anymore.
🤣🤣🤣 sure buddy
Another thing studios aren't considering is that most ppl are paying more for groceries & gas/travel, etc & seeing a movie is a luxury (not a necessity)
Absolutely it's strange but that never mentioned
Yet y‘all are here, interested in box office numbers generated by theaters. A place you don’t go.
I think Barbie was a great movie and I know there was a lot of pro-feminism and all that. But I took away that when Barbieland was run totally by women, it was ridiculous and clearly saying that "women only" would be just as bad as the Ken-dom. Not one of those Barbie jobs at the beginning we're saying they were amazing at the jobs. I think it was saying that men and women should both be respected to get a better result. That's why I liked it.
I think that saying one or the other is better and the other is terrible is just playing into the media narrative and not doing anyone any favors.
For someone who admits Twitter is no longer that relevant, I think you are leaning too much on a "Twitter-like conclusion" of why those movies failed. I don't think this has do to with activism at all.
The Marvels has an awful title, lead characters that most people don't know and a very strong feeling of "I need to do homework to watch this". And Hunger Games is just not that popular, it was a phase, that phase is gone.
The movie industry as whole is in trouble, people just don't go to the movie that often anymore.
Mission Impossible, Fast X, Transformers... where are the activism in that? And all of those flopped. The degree may vary because they each came in very different contexts. But the trend is there all through the year.
Movie Math starts off with a non sequitur on Elon & more effusive praise of Barbie etc Her own form of activism to tell you The Marvels, Hunger Games & soon to be Wish are decrepit bombs 😅
Thinking that they can stick Thanksgiving on digital a week after a theatrical release is EXACTLY what got us here. Nobody wants to go to a theater if you’re sending movies straight to streaming.
I don't think that would help this movie either
Fair point but The Marvels was going to bomb no matter what.
It’s not about super hero fatigue, it’s not about representation. If Marvel, Disney, anyone wants to succeed then they need to start writing good stories, with characters people can emotionally engage with. And people engage better with moral dilemmas rather than political agendas. It’s called human nature.
Agreed, we as moviegoers want to escape from ESG political nonsense, feminist dribble in our films! The reason why female lead films of the past did so well is because their script were GREAT! Well, written. Didn't disrespect what it meant to be female! The heroine didn't overshadow its male counterparts. Feige is introducing way to many characters that have no bearing on films or phases they're trying to create. To many characters written by folks who never understood those characters, the source material, and outright disrespect said source material 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏽♂️! Marvel needs to slow down and stop hiring people who have political agendas! We don't give a damn about diversity. If you and your character is again well written, fits within the overall storyarc of phases great!
The new characters they introduce aren't accepted because there are characters that were teased that we can't never even get. Mephisto. Nova. Blade
I think its kind of insulting to keep using the term male gaze. It makes natural male attraction to women sound creepy. It also ignores that both sexes like to see attractive actors in movies. If your going to on purpose avoid the male gaze, which too often means just making women unattractive, well it turns out women dont watch those movies either.
It's bled over into video games, comics, most media in fact.
People may have used the term female gaze for some movies, like men with muscles such as Captain America and Thor. Someone said women liked the TV version of the Incredible Hulk as his muscles burst through his clothes as he changed.
You’re insulted because it doesn’t affect you. Read up on what it is and why it’s something that’s important to point out as it’s been ignored for decades.
@@THISLONDONCHICK we're not insulted. We'd just rather watch Margot Robbie than Lizzo.
what the hell do you mean “making women unattractive”
I'm honestly unaware, but I've heard Grace mention it a few times now. What has Chris Pratt done to his wife?
She probably heard something on twitter so it has to be true.
i googled and found only some nothing-burgers
Right but what Zegler did was so terrible and everyone hates her? @@malcolmreynolds4099
turns out "what if we turned everything into the CW shows we love" was a bad plan
Again, again and again Grace gaslight's her own audience!
Rachel Zegler has really rubbed some people the wrong way. My girlfriends friend who isn’t a conservative in the slightest was extremely annoyed with her disrespect to both Snow White and the Hunger game’s franchises
I kind of want to see the movie because I loved The Hunger Games but I'm not that excited about supporting her in any way. :/
Weird to me about how bothered ppl are about "disrespecting" the movie Snow White when nobody has cared about it in 50 years. One interview and ppl still talking about it months later. Y'all know she's done a million interviews and is generally thoughtful and kind. She really is not a huge activist.
@@CorgiFanWoofshe didn’t really do anything worth having such a strong reaction, it’s been mostly drama channels milking her name for $$$
@@trent2219 My gf’s friend is an actor as well and she just saw it as unprofessional and that there’s really no reason to talk bad about it when you’re doing promo.
She's so toxic.
It's strange. Interested in the Hunger Games seems very high here in Europe. I posted about it on my instagram stories and a lot of people replied they had plans of seeing it either this week or the next, with people rereading the books or rewatching the other movies. When I actually went to see it, my theatre was packed and tickets sold out fast. It's gonna be very weird if this movie underperforms, i thought it was the 2nd best in the franchise.
Yup, Grace said it's doing well overseas! That's not how the other movies performed.
Yep definitely doing well over seas. I’m in the UK and I was genuinely surprised at the turn out for this prequel in my screening.
I thought people didn’t really care for the Hunger Games anymore but there’s definitely still fans and interest.
I really enjoyed it here in the US as well especially the great performance from Viola Davis
I think the most people will go see it Thanksgiving weekend with families. I'll be going to see it for a second time with the fam I would definitely put the movie in the top 3
Maybe there's something odd going on in L.A., Chicago and NYC that makes people there NOT want to see it?
Good occasional reminder that Twitter is just noise, no matter if the tweet has millions of engagements or how loud they seem
I saw Wish yesterday but had forgotten how short kids movies are. The concept was cool but I thought it felt rushed.
I saw it yesterday, too. Something was amiss, IMHO. It's not bad, but I felt many parts should have been better. There's no excuse, Disney.
@@ShaneyBright Disney's recent animated films are pretty generic. There is nothing memorable about them. Not even the music. Compare that to the 90's animated films like Alladdin and The Lion King.
Funny. Disney added an hour to the 2023 Little Mermaid and made it too long.
I swear, Grace had this same conversation years ago with The Last Jedi, and it's sad how Hollywood hasn't changed since then
I thought last weeks would be THE big explosive movie math episode of the winter movie season. After seeing the drop off %, i realised it’s actually this week 😭
"Wish" is the next box office bomb 😂.
Lucy Gray Baird is not meant to be like Katniss at all. She’s not even the main character in the spin off, Snow is. She’s a singer because that is what she was in the book so I’m not seeing how that was a miscalculation.
Right! She just dosent understand the source material but she stated that in her review so I get why she holds that view of the movie
It doesn’t matter if that’s the source material, the point she was making is that action based characters like Katniss are more commercial which is why this movie isn’t doing as well
Most people dont read. What its adapted from doesnt matter to them. Its about what gets put on screen. The miscalculation would be making the movie in the first place. If it doesnt have a similar dynamic to the first one.
How did I go from showing up in full Captain America cosplay on opening night for Infinity war, to celebrating everytime a new Disney movie crashes?
A better question might be how soon you can shake off that mindset… tastes change, but celebrating failure = no bueno. Uplift the good things!
@@StaminaMCGood things are good because bad things exist.
That doesn’t run counter to what I was saying, so I completely agree.
I'm celebrating Marvel collapsing cause it always sucked and it is bad for the film industry @@StaminaMC
"Bad for the film industry"… that's a take, I guess. 😵💫
How does Chris Pratt treat his wife? She seems to love him 🤷🏽♂️
Some of that may be true but as an artist, I think that the caliber of screenwriting has seriously gone downhill. With a flood of content needed, for streaming and films, there are only so many talented writers that can do only so much. Writing quality content is hard, and this flood of content is forcing the crap to rise.
The way these people try to cope and make excuses for these pre-predicted failures is weird, weird.
If there’s still life in superhero movies, studios need to get back to basics with the lead roles/heros and plots. Casting likeable and somewhat popular people that fit the roles. Complacency is real and the ticket sales are the proof.
I think instead of thinking male gaze, movie producers should think would this outfit become a popular cosplay outfit ( both male and female). Clearly, the movie version needs to be better quality. The first Harley Quinn outfit was the top female cosplay and Halloween costume for years. Women choose to wear it. That said, it should be for both male and female that producers think differently.
Well, they might be thinking of it at Sony, as Grace compared the Madame Web costume to Catwoman's. Not sure how the mask would protect you against facial recognition software.
Movie theaters investing in more screens needs the weekly top ten to be doing a lot more than 100 million a week
They say we lost a lot of screens during COVID (2000). Those that survived could have upgraded, done repairs, etc. when interest rates were low and no one was going, but not many did. The predictions at the start of 2020 was 3 years, but some people didn't want to hear that and shouted the experts down. Sure enough, people have been saying all year that such-and-such movie was their first return to the theater.
Audiences love diversity when it isn’t forced . You talk about black presidents . Heck ! We had Morgan Freeman as GOD , and it was great ! No one during those times was yelling “ LOOOKKK WE HAVE A BLACK GUY PLAYING GOD!!!”
My wife and her friends went to see Barbie but afterwards I heard that they were disappointed because of the politics. So, I believe that a lot of people got tricked into watching it because they were expecting something different. I don’t think you can trick them again for a sequel.
💯 a sequel would bomb. Greta probably wouldn’t be involved anyway
Yeah a film had impressive hold week to week and became the biggest film of the year"Trick" people .😂
Cope.
@@BigTimeBecks96 I’m a Greta Gerwig fan. She probably wouldn’t be involved with a sequel and if she was “some” people would not go just because of her because they did not like the first Barbie. No way a sequel would do as well and like I said I am a BIG Greta Gerwig fan.
I love that Grace felt the need to specify "male gaze" and not "male gays" lol
That is one of stupidest decisions they ever made, "We are not going to cater to the male gaze" WHY NOT,
@@captainsisko7629I mean, male gaze as in objectification of women, then it's bad. But other than that, there is no problem
@@samkj1953I go to movies to watch attractive and yes objectify men and women. As a paying costumer, i make no apologies for it. Except for a few activist dwee bs there is nothing unsual about that. Trying to shame or browbeat costumers to fit your activist view of what movies should be will continue to cause movies to flop. Stick to what works.
BARBIE IS WHAT SOLD BARBIE not Margo Robbie. The same as Ninetido Mario cart game and donkey kong sold that movie. Quit trying to make FETCH work. Its not a thing.
Social justice warriors don't actually spend money..... That's the real truth 🤔
@@BaithNaTo be fair, they really don’t make “conservative” movies. And that sound of freedom movie did pretty well for low budget.
Lastly, most movies make the most money in cities. And the biggest movie going cities tend to be more liberal (NYC, LA, NJ).
So much for "We only go to the cinema because we want to see ourselves on the big screen", huh Grace? 😂 The Marvels and The Hunger Games both switched perspective to try to appeal to the demographic that usually avoids their previous movies, and both could not manage to bring in a new audience and had to be heavily supported by the audience they already had.
The Hunger Games didn't switch target audiences at all lmao.
@@KaiInMotion sorry, but is this not about Coriolanus Snow? Grace's review said that Rachel Ziegler is not the lead of this movie.
The Hunger Games Prequel is based on the novel that is from Snow‘s perspective. Not hard to get.
@@BaithNa they aren't going to fork out money because the whole premise of seeing yourself on screen is something only narcissists care about.
I am a big Hunger Games fan. I have read all the books and watched all the movies when they came out and rewatched them time and time again. Hunger Games was my favorite franchise after Harry Potter ended. I went and saw a Ballad of songbirds and snakes. I loved this movie it had a big thriller element and I loved the dynamics of the characters. I haven't been to the movies in a while and I was happy I went and saw it. I would love to see more spin-offs and world-building but I doubt that will ever happen.
100% agree, maybe a Hamish hunger games movie?
I liked Viola Davis until she blamed her shortcomings on being a black woman 😕
😂😂
I WATCH MOVIES TO ESCAPE NOT SEE ANYONES LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE AGENDA!!!😡😡😡
If I had three wishes, my first would be to make Grace unable to say the word "representation"
hollywoods famous last words: "despite its diverse cast"
I think another main issue with the low box office numbers is also, the actual movie theater experience. The last movie I went to was for John Wick 4 and for 3 of us it was over $80. Then the movie theater wasn't that clean, there were long lines for the bathrooms and concession stands. I loved the movie but I didn't feel it was worth price or the add aggravation of going to the movie theater. It is far easier and cheaper to wait for the digital releases. I'm planning on getting the Marvels when it comes out on digital, mainly for Iman Vellani, and watching it with my whole family.
$27 a ticket🤨Because if you're buying a bunch of unneeded popcorn, soda, and candy then thats kinda on you not them no🤔
@@ICU1337Food is definitely part of the movie experience for most people. Concession prices are way too high and sometimes it's better to wait to watch a movie at home than to do so with no food. It is on movie theaters because if the experience that people want is too expensive then people go less often and they make less
@@MrRiveracruz that's some brainwashed thinking 🧟🧟♀️paying $10 for a bag of Skittles and $7 for a bottle of water is some next level logic defying decisions. You can absolutely enjoy a movie with out buying a bunch of overpriced concessions.
Paying $80 for 🍿🥤 is *wild* man😳
Go to another theater
1:16 "Growing up in a Christian household" is not exactly a guarantee the individual is still a Christian, or even respectful towards Christian themes (a *lot* of angry atheists had religious upbringings.) If anything it sounds like a bit of a red flag since it sounds defensive (for the record I really like Gerwig, though maybe more as an actress than a filmmaker I just am very sceptical she's the right person for Narnia.)
She was a terrible choice to direct this movie. Women are just not very good at directing fantasy genre films.
Twitter hasn’t been reliable metric for the popularity of music long before Elon lmao, not surprised it’s the same with movies
Yes, I am buying Oppenheimer both on digital and 4K physical. I’ve seen so many people who aren’t usually into buying physical media, are actually buying Oppenheimer. So it could be big in sales.
Lol no one is buying physical copies
@@JohnathanTuya ok
@@JohnathanTuyaI will be
You give Greta Gerwig way too much credit. The brand sold that movie. Barbie. It’s as big of a brand as Spider-Man and Batman.
It was not the brand either. It was the marketting
@@samkj1953 No, it was the brand. Plus the fact that the trailers made Barbieland look pretty and pink and colorful. Things which women like. Barbie is probably the most iconic girl's toy of all time. It illicits deep nostalgia for most women. The movie could have been directed by Rian Johnson, and it would have still done well. After all the years of superhero and action movies, women were just happy to finally have a big budget movie designed for them.
@@nerychristian 🙌🏼 Agreed!
That's a truly insane drop. The Marvels was bottom barrel MCU but holy smoke, 78% is insane. The wheels of the MCU train are veering off a cliff - let's hope they can course correct. I would like more Ms Marvel though, the actor gave a fabulous performance
I ONLY feel bad for Iman Velani. Hopefully someone gives her a chance to do something else
I believe she will make it. She is likable and endearing. 🙂
The trailer made her look obnoxious @@adrian100
@@miz4535 well apparently she was the best part of the movie (which was not that hard to do) but she was really good in the Ms. Marvel show and she seems like a good person, hasn’t bashed the fans nor made excuses for this failure.
Honestly, I didn't even know that Viola was in Songbirds. She would be the only reason i would watch the movie. She needs more roles like Widows
Honestly Grace with the price of everything increasing, especially fast food and groceries, I don't want to spend the few dimes I have remaining to see a lackluster movie with a lazy plot. I tend to stream movies because they are much cheaper later. I think this is why Marvel is failing so hard, after following a slew of mediocre stories.
You shouldn’t go into any theater for any movie at all if you are actually struggling with groceries. Everyone‘s so dramatic these days.
That’s a crazy drop! WOW.
This weekend we watched Hunger Games and Blue Beetle.
Binged Hunger Games last weekend, Catching Fire was so dope!
I watched Blue Beetle too... I loved it.
It's funny. My family (full of women) were just talking about how hunger games was amazing and a dominant force of its time... then I inserted and asked if they were going to watch the new movie... Silence! Some were like, 'there's a new movie'? Others were like "nah".
I didn't even know it was coming out until the day it came in theaters. clearly the marketing for this movie was very low effort.
They know the quality of movies has gone down recently
@@_M.... because of the writer strike, they weren’t able to advertise
The male heartthrob's shirtless scenes could've been showcased more in the marketing- there's a lot of them.
I think the Marvels failure is more so “no one asked for it” than it being because of women being lead and politics because Black Widow didn’t do this bad at all 😩
There's too much Marvel content. That's still the issue, IMHO.
Thats such a strange weird and odd,. excuse to make considering produces sort of just decide wtf they think will work.
Who asked for movies like 1975's Jaws, 1973's The Exorcist , or the crop of 11939 movie classics like Gone with the Wind and the Wizard of Oz, Gunga Din,..Or Mice and Me? Who asked for those movies?
Who asked for 1977s Star Wars?
Only George Lucas and one Fox Producer had ANY idea that space fantasy movie with space wizards with laser swords would work,.LoL
NO one else "asked for " Star Wars,..
Its the characters. No one cares.
@@terryshrkI thunk it makes more sense with a huge franchise like the MCU where fans ARE in fact, asking for certain movies. They’ve been asking for years for the X-men, fantastic four, more Spider-Man, Wanda, but there’s been little to no fan demand for captain marvel and these other actresses
Nobody asked for the first one either, but you had to see it because of an end credit scene. Those days of trickery are long over.
ok that Elordi, Blyth burn was awesome 🤣🤣🤣
Grace, tou know that Barbie is Men's Rights Activist movie, right? Thats why the most popular character from that movie was male and ended up outshining Barbie herself. Everything was functional when the Kens made Barbie World work. It was only when Barbie herself returned and saw they were thriving without her that she flew into a rage and basically destroyed their world before leaving because even she didnt want to stay there anymore after she was finished putting the Kens back in their place.
"Movies and shows often start conversations, and can break down barriers and introduce ideas."
They used to. But much of mainstream media and Hollywood is more concerned with distraction and division for cynical motives. It's about shaming groups, generalising and lecturing, with the exception of a handful of directors and indie movies.
10:23 I appreciated that joke from a business perspective. But, I have to say that Tom Blyth was absolutely fantastic for the role. It would be a shame to not get recognized for it.
Incredible movie. Incredible cast. YES!
I really think Rachel Zegler hurt the Hunger Games movie. Compare her “Star power” to Jennifer Lawrence’s. It’s not even close. Her vocal fanbase on Twitter on fanbase is very disproportionate to the amount of people who just don’t like her.
The only actual stars in the new Hunger Games are the adults like Viola Davis and Peter Dinklage, and maybe Hunter Schaffer, but her role was very small and not heavily advertised. I don't know if name brand star power would have even helped. Also worth noting that originally JLaw blew up because of her portrayal of Katniss, she had hype from Winter's Bone but THG made her a household name, she wasn't one before the franchise got rolling.
Because Zegler started this activism first before becoming an actress, Jennifer was not, but later on, Jennifer also became an activist, look what happened to her career, from 2021 to 2023 she only had 1 Big Screen Movie, and it flop.
What’s crazy is that all these films have around the same score on rotten tomatoes (60%-65%)
It may be the bigest indicator, “ok to good” movies are just not good enough to get people into theaters.
That’s because Rotten Tomatoes is not giving honest scores
How many have been “failures” now? You cannot compare every movie to Barbie. That was an event movie that doesn’t come often. The bigger issue here is STREAMING. Audiences have changed and one has to be completely blind to not see it. Yes, some movies have made mistakes, but they are ALL victims of people not wanting to go to the movies and waiting for streaming.
No, the movies are just not good enough to go the theater for. Everyone is talking about "streaming", but we already could sit at home and watch stuff before streaming, and networks and channels showed theater movies; not to mention there was a far greater option of physical media, whether buying or renting; and yet, people still went to the movie theaters.
Ur completely right🤔🤷🏼♂️...why leave ur house is what most are thinking...
So, studios just need to discern more accurately what is going to be an "event" movie. There were always "event" movies...Cleopatra, Ben-Hur, the huge productions that ran long and had intermissions...and there were always little movies that you went to see on Saturday afternoon without even checking the listings. The event movie concept is still with us. It's the Saturday afternoon matinee concept that's gone to streaming. One of Disney's problems is that they're flipping coins to determine which of their productions is an "event" and which is a Saturday afternoon matinee.
What they tried to do with The Marvels, trying to turn a chapter of a Saturday afternoon matinee serial into an event, is exactly what their working toward with various Star Wars series on Disney+ and their planned "Dave Filoni theatrical movie that ties everything together."
It took _Austin Powers_ 5 months after theater release to go to home video rentals (May vs. October). They need to take that amount of time to get butts in theater seats.
@@kirkdarling4120 No, studios need to discern what is a good story and thus movie; part of that is getting rid of the ideology and the ESG DEI nonsense.
It took almost a decade but Grace has been waking up more and more each week. I'm a fan of Based Grace.
I’m a fan of Grace because her data and knowledge of the industry are impressive even if her view is skewed. Generally she is a very thoughtful reporter
Oh, please, Grace isn't based at all; even now she's still whining over "representation" as if the supposed lack of it indicates some kind of discrimination from Hollywood, rather than women just not choosing to enter the field.
The 3rd weekend drop should normalize, this happens to most of MCU films.
No it doesn’t this is the lowest debut and biggest second week drop. This is the rock bottom of the MCU
@@rl8259 I was referring to the 2nd to 3rd weekend drop, it should normalize. I am estimating a 55% or lower drop this coming weekend.
They didn't give Feige too many toys. He just led with the bargain bin action figures instead of the collector's item variants we've been clamoring for. OG Avenger, X-Men, and a traditional casting of Fantastic 4 would've kept the MCU flying high.
Agree. The next step was X-Men, Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom as the main villain. No one cares about digging up C-List Marvel heroes (not even B-listers) for crappy streaming series and even crappier movies. The stories would have had to have been amazing for this to work, but they're not.
So many of Grace's opinions in this video are just strange to me. To think Hollywood influenced people enough to vote in Obama?
The Marvels (78% 2nd weekend drop) beat 2003’s Hulk, which had the biggest 2nd week drop EVER of 70%!!!!! Good Lord
I feel what these activist Actors and Directors forget is ‘a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down.’ Barbie was nothing BUT SUGAR in its ad campaign which allowed general audiences to get on board and then have a meaningful conversation about it after watching the film. These recent films have been giving us nothing but cough syrup and yelling at us when we say we don’t want it anymore. People go to the movies to escape, not to be lectured.
I felt you could take it as serious or deep as you wanted to. I almost went to see it a second time, mainly for the visuals I might have missed in Barbieland.
"People go to the movies to escape" if you're an idiot. As if films can't tackle anything serious. Last week I saw May December. I don't see why you can't get lost in anything that isn't brain dead and upbeat.
Has nothing to do with Elon musk. The fact is, Twitter has always just been a place for vocal minorities to scream at the top of their lungs & create a disproportionate picture of how the masses actually feel. Studios simply can’t rely on spending hundreds of millions trying to satisfy these small vocal groups. Get back to making entertaining films & make some profits, or stay the course & run the industry into the ground.
I want to see what Songbirds and Snakes does during the holiday weekend
Well, you give sub-par products and these are the results. The market has spoken and Disney and Lions Gate messed around and fiund out. Hopefully, this will make other studios realize that brand name recognition is only as good as the stories that make up those brands.
she did NOT hold back con makeup for this one LMAO
I told yall hunger games was gonna tank. that movie should have cane out 10 yrs ago. AND AGAIN...SOCIAL MEDIA ISNT REAL LIFE!! And again just cause you are an actor who is highly opinionated doesn't make you can activist! Zachary Levi and Chris Pratt can say stuff on their social media that made people upset but people still go to his movies
Grace I do want to point out that the first Fantastic Beasts actually was successful and was able to beat Doctor Strange at the box office by more than 100M
I loved Wonderwoman because she was strong but also soft. Being a feminist does not mean you are better than anyone else, it's when you want to be equal. Captain Marvel has an attitude that does not sit well with me.
No one is talking about the elephant in the room, we are in a bad economy, people are hurting financially and they will cut off movie theaters before anything else
Everyone evangelizes. They’re pushing and verbalizing their perspective to the masses. You evangelize with every post. Every movie evangelizes, every post on any social media platform evangelizes and any other place where people can be heard. We as the listeners decide who we condemn and condone.
Grace doesn’t like Christians. If Pratt was a Muslim she would applaud him.
If I were Feige I would stop doing movies about minor characters who nobody ever liked. Bring back the X-Men. I would bet that Disney+ series about Kitty Pryde, Storm, or Rogue would do much better than series about Echo, Ms. Marvel, and Agatha. Why? Because people always liked these characters. Eventually these could all lead up to an X-Men movie reboot.
I personally wouldn't waste anymore time with another streaming series let alone put X-men characters in them if I was Feige.
Put the X-men directly on the big screen movies with actual quality scriptwriters and actors.
Don't pull a DC James Gunn with a soft reboot. The X-men needs a full hard reboot. The ONLY exception I'd make is for Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. That's it.
For every other X-men, get new fresh and upcoming actors.
You get that the MCU didn’t have the rights to these characters? It was built using secondary characters like Iron Man and Captain America for a reason, and I think it’s a benefit in terms of how free they are to tell stories. People aren’t as locked into the lore of these characters, so we don’t have to watch Uncle Ben or the Wayne’s die over and over because *everyone* expects it. Any story about the X-men means walking in lock-step towards the Phoenix saga, AGAIN.
@@_Just_Another_Guy When Netflix introduced Marvel shows they were popular and didn't attenuate the brand. So for me the problem isn't multiple platforms it's quality control. But, I agree that the X-Men should be rebooted with new actors and actresses. I would introduce Wolverine last and reboot him as well. Hugh Jackman can't do it forever.
@@epbrown01 There's plenty of great X-Men material to draw from. They have rebooted Spider-Man three times and the third time was arguably the most successful (though my favorite is still Spiderman 2 with Toby Maguire). I would rather have a new take on a good character than the introduction of another weak character. At least for people like me who grew up reading Marvel, Iron Man and Thor were never really secondary characters but always among the most important to the overall Marvel Universe.
@@epbrown01 The X-men doesn't just have the (Dark) Phoenix and Apocalypse saga, despite the two storylines being the most well-known ones.
The X-men comics have:
- The Brood saga
- The Phalanx saga
- The Onslaught saga
- House of M saga
- Schism
- The Messiah Complex saga
- The Shi'ar Empire saga
i’m also a fan of viola davis, but i completely forgot she was in this movie and i’m the kind of film nerd who can recall release dates and full cast lists. poor job on the marketing in my opinion
Diversity used to work. Predator, Blade, Aliens, Terminator, Gladiator. They hired great actors who happened to be diverse.
Now they hire diverse writers, directors and actors, whether or not they are competent. 😑